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FIRST FOR THE PIMPMARINES!
>I2 orks
So I've never played a game of 40k, but I know the fluff a bit. I'm a bit confused as to how they balance armies vs the armies they are specifically fluffed against. An example of what I wanna know is how do they balance Grey Knights vs the daemons they are apparently so good at killing.
>>47530182
they kill the shit out of them
So, would a chapter taking inspiration from the lore of pic related be cool?
>>47530182
40k the game isnt balanced, at all. It is notorious for being unbalanced.
my current WIP as i attempt to convert a Praetor missle launcher into a Dominus.
The triple Earthshakers are a little too wide, though i could make it work. I'm instead thinking of cutting down the barrels and sticking them inside the missile housing.
>>47530207
Looks like meme garbage.Lamenters already exist
Is it just me or do stormravens seem incredibly cheesy
>Zooming fly up to your anti air tank
>Multi melta
>Explodes
>It's all ogre
>>47530330
Theyre good for a flyer. Flyers arent particularly cheesy though.
The real problem with the Stormraven is its ridiculous design. I built one a while back, and it was too embarrasingly stupid looking for me to consider using. So I chopped it up and made a piece of terrain out of it.
>>47530227
What the fuck is wrong with the Lamenters you insufferable fagatron?
I will fite you
>>47530477
If your favorite chapter doesnt share its name with a former Legion, you're a dicksucker.
>>47530215
Show this to WIP, its a better grounds then this to showcase work.
>>47530477
Lamenters are garbage white knights.
First for Ghostkeels being the best looking suit in the codex.
Fuck Riptides and their misproportioned boxy asses.
>>47530608
>whiteknight
pic related
>>47530576
yes because we always need more BLOOD amirite?
>>47530391
Fair point, flyers do tend to have pretty low av which balances it out i guess. I'm just quite salty after someone brought one to a 600 pt game
>>47530608
>pizza girl
>criticizing anyone
>>47530477
>ugly as fuck
>also shit at everything they do
>fanbase likes to think they have some kind of moral high ground over others for their choice in space men
a chapter of bleeding hearts is pretty funny, but they've been trod into the ground by faggots on /tg/
>>47530617
I like them, but I like Broadsides better.
>>47530617
Fish head with ball-gag mouth is also my favorite flesh robot.
>>47530608
>posting Anal Lover Edit
LEL.
>>47530666
This. While I don't mind Lamenters, what I do mind is every 40k thread I've seen outside /tg/ (/b/ and /v/ seem to have loads, yes, I know, cancer incarnate) always have dick sucker Lamenterfags in there.
We get it, they're there for the 'little man' and they made SoB wet with their heroics. But come on guys.
>>47530477
>Lamenters going to fight someone
Oh boy, I can't wait to see that 200% casualty rateFlesh Tearers best BA successor
>>47530692
>yfw it's like the OP image of /40kg/ faces
Fuck sake anon, now I can't unsee it. Fuck you.
>tfw just found out about BaC.
>Never realized how sexy Mk. 4 armor is.
>Been wanting to start a SM army.
Aw man, now I just need to figure out what chapter I want them to be, and if I should make them a founding legion in case I want to get into 30k.
I also need to decide whether to use all the models into one army, or paint them two seperate ones, because using them in the game that it comes with seems like it could be fun.
daily reminder that Green iz best
>>47530692
>Fish Head with Ball Gag mouth
>Trying hard to see it
>See Admiral Ackbar's head instead
You son of a fucking silly person, you.
>>47530675
Only if they're using the Rail Rifle. Boxingglove broadside are stupid as fuck looking
>>47530706
Flesh Tearers are only good for Dual Chainfist Chapter Master and Seth kicking people in the balls. Seth is also great at raping people with his insane amount of S9 AP4 Rending Attacks (3++ will fail eventually and against every Imperial HQ bar Mephy will die, unless they have EW)
>>47530666
You know it's bad when Satan thinks you have bad tastes.
>>47530734
>implying I would ever sully the glorious model with HYMP
Shame HYMP are so good in game. If I ever got Broadsides, I'd magnetise them so I can display them with glorious HRR's.
>>47530730
Literally who?
>>47530330
Stormraven isn't bad. Just wait until you get wrecked by a squadron of Vendettas. 9 twin linked Lascannons at BS4 on a flyer will ruin your week.
Who is your favorite faction to play against /tg/?
Why? (be honest)
What army do you play?
>>47530751
>implying
The number of the Beast is 616. Or 665.
>>47530758
My nigga. That said I'd convert the Broadside to hold the HRR like an actual sniper rifle. I really don't dig the underslung look most of the battlesuits use.I think they're ok on stealthsuits but the bigger ones just... meh. I'm making my Ghostkeel's main gun slot into his forearm like the gundam heavyarms. his Twin-linked weapon will be wrist-mounted on the other hand.
>>47530692
so, in the lore, are the sister known to be lewwddd, or is that just in sweaty fap fics.
>>47530781
>Who is your favorite faction to play against
Space Marines
>Why?
Because they always put up a decent fight and I don't get tabled when I play against them usually
>What army do you play?
ORKZ
>>47530781
I love playing against EldarI play Imperial navy with tax guard
>>47530781
No idea, because in over a year of playing I've never had the chance to play against anything but varying flavors of Space Marine.
>>47530772
>muh optional rules
>>47530747
>Flesh Tearers are only good for massive overkill in melee
I'm confused, you seem to be implying there is any other than the glory of the Assault Phase.
Are you okay?
>>47530809
They get their fanatical fevor from lack of cock, so I would guess only in fanfictions.
Elves are a filthy, lewd knife ear sex race.
Tau females prefer Guela men.
>>47530781
Orkz, they're wild and crazy as fuck and it's almost
ALWAYS a guaranteed win for me
I play Tau with a focus on suits
>>47530182
Grey Knights vs Daemons is kind of an outlier in that the former have always had a huge advantage, though Daemons are pretty good against all Marines armies in general.
Usually, no army has a clear advantage over the other, even with fluff background. There are certain units/characters where their hate for one faction is so great that they do get buffs against said faction, but these are usually minor or if not, you're still usually paying a high points tax to get access to these abilities.
For example, Tau's Commander Farsight has Preferred Enemy (Orks) which means he is more accurate and better at wounding against Orks. However, he's an expensive character and restricted to weapons that is not 100% optimal against Orks so he's not a must-have versus them.
Speaking of Farsight, his sub-faction of Tau do get an army-wide bonus against Orks. Here, the Tau's bonus is slightly better close combat against Orks, an area where Orks will win anyway, just less easily. It doesn't really make a difference, especially since Tau should always be planning around shooting anyway.
>>47530823
What? You can squadron them in the codex.
>>47530823
Optional my ass, if GW drops a book then it's in the game
>>47530838
Kys
>>47530835
is it in lore that tau females enjoy some human greater goods, or is that just more fap fics.
>>47530805
Hah. I've always wanted GW to make a Sniper Rifle Suit. Something with insane long range + damage, but that's kinda covered by everything else. If they could make it Precision Shot, it'd be neat. Make it be like S6 AP3 Heavy 3, Precision Shots or S8 AP2 Armourbane Precision Shots alt fire mode.
I can't find many good sniper rifle holding robots.
>>47530831
Tanking shit so your guns can take them out. Do you even play 7th edition bro?
Bathtime for the warriors of the Fuzzy-Paint Kabal.
>>47530889
Broadsides can get that as a support system. If they're a line shasvre with a her they PS on a 5 or 6
>>47530848
Not that, death from the skies means vendettas only snapshoot against other fliers (as only Fighters get skyfire now, and vendettas aren't defined as such). Some are claiming these rules are optional, but as >>47530857 says that's probably not going to fly.
>>47530781
Tau, because I can freak out tau players with the amount of firepower I usually bring with my Raven Guard/Raptors. My typical anti-tau list includes 20 plasma guns and 14 Lascannons, many of them getting infiltrate. A Tau army that brings enough missilesides to take out all the razorbacks doesn't have the firepower to kill my marines or my Deredeo, and a tau army that can threaten the Deredeo and marines will just get laughed at by the razorbacks by sheer numbers.
It's hilarious now, because my local Tau player has actually changed his entire meta from gunlining, to surgical strikes and riptide spam. Simply because I can out-shoot his army with a portable gunline.
Last game I played, I had ONE HUNDRED marines, all with plasma gun and plasma cannon, sitting cozy in my deployment zone. He had 5 Riptides and 6 squads of deep striking crisis teams.
The riptides stayed way the fuck away from my army, and the crisis suits deep striked into his own deployment zone so they wouldn't get eaten alive by plasma cannons. We ended up having a 5 turn long stand-off as both armies waved dicks at each other, before we mutually decided to concede. If either side moved up, it would get toasted.
>>47530882
Yes. Thats why they tend to castrate most human males upon arrival.
>>47530889
Not that hard to convert the Broadside to hold the gun properly, mate. Plus, give it Advanced Targeting System and you got your 60" S8 AP1 Sniper Rifle. I'd use it!
>>47530932
Eh, I was referring to your ground troops getting their shit kicked in, but I guess fighters would be a reasonable counter to them. That's what hydras are for, though.
>>47530932
what is "death from the skies"?
>>47530993
THIN YOUR FUCKING PAINTS!
>>47530993
>Great Repose
>shitty paint job
>>47531018
Newest GW supplement which revamps aircraft. 50% good intentions, 50% garbage.
>>47531018
New supplement with replacements for the flyer rules.
>>47531040
>>47531042
is it in the mega?
>>47531024
>>47531020
Hey it's not mine, I don't even field broadsides! it's the one conversion I found off google holding the rifle properly. Chill.
>>47530925
i think they removed that. You can only ever PS on a 6.
>>47531058
still, remember to thin your paints.
>>47530993
>>47531058
>properly
>not shoulder mounted
>>47531058
But what's the point of precision shots if Look Out Sir's can still be taken? It's nice if you manage to get past the LOS, but most of the time it'll be taken by another model.
>>47531040
>>47531042
found it.
where is this reference?
There needs to be more lore on the Barghesi all we know is that they control a decent empire and theyre red and angry
>>47531086
>>47531020
>>47531024
It looks thinned in the picture, you guys are autistic mongoloids. Just because the painter isn't professional doesn't mean he forgot to thin his paints. And that's the wrong fucking advice for someone whose already thinning his paints, but sucks at brush control.
The advice he needed was to mix Paint Medium with his Nuln Oil to stop it from pooling, and to put less paint on his brush.
>>47531119
A gun that size shoulder mounted on a robot that size? Really?
dumb Desu poster
>>47530617
>>47530692
I can see it, and it can't be unseen. Tau are lewd.
>>47531141
>>47530781
Tau.
Because they rarely kill my guys, and never want to start punching me. I can sit and trade shots with them all game long.
Mephrit dynasty Necrons.
>>47531141
no,the advice he needed was to thin his paints. the thinner, the better. it is commonly know that 'eavy metal painters' paint palate is actually the pacific ocean. the reason why it appears blue is because that how thin their paints are.
>>47530993
I feel like I've seen a Transformer that looked like this, but not with such tick paints.
>>47530653
>Flyers below 1000
This is why we can't have nice things.
>>47531149
with the solder mount you can have the two so it's actually twinlinked. Instead of trying to pretend that thicker barrel is twined-linked.
also
>suit that sized.
yep, it's big and bulky as fuck to hold a big gun. The conversion even lost the bulky as fuck look that makes it a broadside and not a crisis suit.
Fail better in the future anon.
>>47531024
Whatever happened to him? Also I'm surprised he doesn't have bionic eyes.
>>47530781
Imperial Gaurd.
Because i play Tyranids / Chaos.
Tyranids fighting Guard just feels like the classic starship trooper fight, it's always very even and enjoyable
>>47531214
He probably died and or is some high magos. He would have to be older then 12k years old.
>>47530781
Orks. Especially when they go for a horde. It's too much fun to rip and tear through the ranks in glorious melee combat for Khorne's bloody Glory.
I play CSM if that wasn't obvious.
>>47530993
You paint about as bad as I did when I was 11, man.
Sniper units are best units. In fact, why don't you use more sniper units, /40kg/? You don't like AP2, Precision shots, 4+ to wound against anything, long range and the satisfaction of taking out an entire army's heavy and special weapons along with sergeants, leaving your opponent completely toothless?
If I played SM, I'd probs load up on sniper scouts.
>>47531214
>>47531227
he died on his second expedition
>>47531202
Its two separate barrels if you look at it. That's closer to twin-linked than two separate guns
>>47531227
I somehow feel like he's out in wild space in an Explorator fleet. How would he be stated?
>>47531244
Source?
>>47531238
Pity your situational awareness hasn't gone up since then though, I said it's not mine ya dingus.
I'm kind of interested in getting started with an Imperial Guard Army (I have never played 40K before and am not sure I will ever have a chance to, I want the models more than anything), and, if I ever manage to get into a game, which of my two favorite regiments would you guys think is best for a beginner: Death Korps of Krieg or Vostroyan Firstborn?
Pic is there just to look cool, not instill bias in favor of one of the regiments.
>>47531240
I use kroot and sniper drone teams extensively. Even throw in some rail rifles for designated marksmen in some of my pathfinder squads
>>47531234
Really? I thought you were a Tau player from that description.
>>47531240
you forgot pinning
>>47531256
if you have to look closer to tell it's supposed to be two guns stuck together, it fails at twin-linked.
>>47530889
>Do you even play 7th edition bro?The only armies that I play against regularly are Dark Eldar, Space Marines, Dark Angels, Chaos (SM, Daemons, and KDK), and 'Nids, all with very chill and laidbacked players.
The worst things I've seen so far were multiple Grav bikers squads, Double Flyants with two TL Devourers each, and Ravenwing bikes with 2+ rerollable jinks with a FnP icing on top, all of which were dropped after a single game to not be an asshole.
I ain't certain if not getting to play against WAAC faggots with Tau/Eldar/Necron/SM netlists counts as playing 7e, but I using a 7e BRB if that's what you're asking.
>>47531283
Or you're just retarded
>>47531263
Firstborn. Kriegers look cool, but their codex is lesser then the regular codex is. Also firstborns will be cheaper to buy and will be softer on the wallet down the road when you go.
>oh shit nigger, what was I doing
As you look at your old paint jobs.
>>47530781
I play Raven Guard, and the two most fun armies I've played against was Khorne Daemonkin and Orks. The rest of my meta is Tau, Eldar, and unbound Tyranids so he can flood the board with shit tons of MC's
>>47531263
Depends on how much money you are willing to spend. What is your starting budget?
>>47531258
>Source?
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arkhan_Land
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/White_Dwarf_245_(UK)
I still have my launch day 'raider. What a cool tank.
>>47531263
Well, you could pick both and then just proxy them with/as WW2 models for/from historical games.
>>47531263
FW does support Kriegers, GW doesn't seem to think that other regiments but Cadians exist. Just know whatever one you don't pick will be waiting for you to wake up in the morning. What do you want to wake up to? Space Russians, or men and women in gas masks?
>>47531263
I have a soft spot for the first born
a) DKoK are a bit overdone these days, everyone thinks they're the best guard.
b) They look like the Imperial Army from the 31st millennium
c) Considering the price of Cadians and FW these days they're actually quire affordable.
Problem is GW has just removed some of their models, such as the three man blisters and the officer variations. So get them while you can or be prepared for eBay.
>>47531263
>beginner
vostroyans
metal is easier to handle than resin
>>47531269
they're so fun aren't they? Tau do some of the best sniper shenanigans due to marksmanship and being slippery being their schtick.
Fuck WAACspam, go snipers and toy with your enemy.
>>47531300
Thank you for the response, though what do you mean when you say "lesser"? As in, simpler, less detailed, or lacking?
>>47531303
Not terribly good, it will either be very slow starting and building up an army slowly, or saving up funds for a long time for a spending spree (I am a unifag).
>>47531323
a hot girl in my bed
How do I find people to play this fucking game with I'm sick of playing against my dad
>>47531291
if you don't like the rules of the 40k aesthetic, there are other games and settings.
Twin-linked is two guns strapped together, or just two guns.
>>47531331
Most tau lists are like that though, they have the best sniper in the game. Nothing beats an ignores cover, 2+ to hit, d str missle.
>>47531305
That's a rather spooky end.
>>47531338
What do you find hotter Space Russians or men and women in gas masks?
>>47531344
And it is two guns strapped together. You just refuse to actually look at the model and notice it.
>>47531338
gross
during the summer you want a cool girl in your bed
>>47531337
As in power rating. Kriegers have their own imperial armour book codex and are pretty cool, but are a tad bit expensive point value wise so the regular IG codex ends up giving you more for less point wise.
>>47531357
That's not a sniper, that's a nuke. Fuck that noise, I'm never fielding such an abortion of fun.
If my opponent ain't having fun, I'm not having fun.
>>47531337
Vostroyans basically require using third party figurines, but there are some nice Russian trooper options. Krieg is amazing looking but like all forgeworld it is expensive, and the actual stuff you get from them has been nerfed. Elysians have undergone the same treatment.
>>47531358
mhhhhhhhhhhhhh. gas masks are pretty lewd...
>>47531365
naw m8. i like for them to be nice and sweaty before i go ass diving.
>>47531364
no, i see it. But that's half-assed according to way 40k does twin linked. It's a gun with two openings on the barrel.
This is added onto it no loner looking like a broadside, but a crisis suit holding a bigger gun, a shit paint job, and no secondary gun; or are you going to claim the shoulder mount is also a twin-linked. Fail better.
I don't get how missilesides are always better than riflesides. It's just 2 missile pods strapped together. You can do that shit on Crisis Suits. Why not take the S8 AP1 gun with almost twice the range to punch a nigga to the shadow realm from the other side of the board?
>>47531323
Where would be the best website to find the Vostroyans on?
I like the Kriegers lore more (largely because I know more about it) and like the idea of a huge artillery focused army, but I am really enamored by the Vostroyan uniforms.
>>47531324
Huh, I would have thought the price would have prevented them from being overdone too much.
>>47531381
Ah, so can't bring as many troops to bear with the Kriegers.
>>47531403
>Vostroyans require third party models
I think not. Just LOOK at this sexy fucker.
>>47530838
>favorite opponent is Orks
>fields suit spam Tau
Im convinced 99% of Tau players are idiots.
>>47531445
SNIPERS
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>>47531439
Check Gamesworkshop's website. They have Vosroyan models on there.
>>47531438
The same reason you take the Rapid fire battle cannon over the Thermal cannon.
So looking into a 3500pt game of Dark Angels and I was wondering if I should use the Silence Squadron or put any combination of the DA fliers into my Ravenwing Strikeforce so they auto arrive turn two with outflank.
>>47531457
A quick google found a command squad. A lot of stuff happening around the house right now, so replies may be slow, and it will take me a bit to check around the rest of the site.
>>47531439
GW's site I'd imagine.
>>47531445
I like how the one on the left is looking at the one without goggles.
>IVAN, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE ME THAT BOTTLE OF VODKA YOU OWE ME?
>>47531453
I think he's joking. I hope he is.
>>47531470
Higher number of shots is preferable to single shots that wreck shit?
I dunno, the profile is so easy to get anywhere. You can get the same firepower from Strike team turrets for 20 points for fuck sake, why lose out on a weapon that's relatively rare?
>>47531544
Ok nevermind, S8 AP1 is Fusion Blaster and that ain't rare but having 60" on a strong and tough platform is.
>>47531544
it's a profile you don't need, while missile pods are a profile you want more of.
And I'm pretty sure the strike turret isn't 3 TL missile pods.
>>47531582
A HYMP is just a missile pod with double the shots, so it's just 2 with a re-roll.
I'm just saying you're paying 65 points and 35~ euros for a model that has the same firepower as 20 points worth of turrets (or 30 on a crisis suit). 2 markerlight tokens makes TL redundant.
Maybe it's personal preference, but I'd never use HYMP myself.
most bs things gee dubs have ever said/done/ whatever.
>>47531699
Age of Sigmar, probably.
>>47531715
is it reaaly that bad
>>47531660
and a secondary weapon system.
and not requiring a markerlight for every unit you want to shoot with doesn't suck.
And TL on BS4-5 is still better than just plain BS4-5
>>47531699
>>47531715
Yeah the End Times-->WHFB kill-->AoS launch is probably the dumbest thing theyve ever done.
>>47531746
It's only moderately dumb. But squatting all of Fantasy and killing people's setting of 35 years was really, really bad.
>>47531746
it has NO rules, and on top of that it destroyed what had been a decent fantasy story and turned it into LOL GODREALMS MAGICKS GALAXY shit
>>47531445
If you want to field Heavy Weapon Teams, Commissars, Tank Commanders, etc - you do have to go 3rd party.
>>47531751
TL on BS4 can be useful but really trailing off. On BS5 it's just borderline redundant. If you're getting it for free then sure fine but f.ex I'd never twin-linked my Commander's weapons just because I'd rather have twice the firepower. Plus the secondary weapon system is moot. I'm not talking against Broadsides, i'm talking against HYMP in favour of HRR.
I get what you're saying, there are benefits. I just think missiles can be better accrued from elsewhere for cheaper.
>>47530938
>He had 5 Riptides and 6 squads of deep striking crisis teams.
And he's going up against massed high strength, low ap weaponry...
I'd be interested to see how an infantry heavy Tau list would fare against you. I'm talking wall-to-wall Kroot, Firewarriors and Pathfinders, maybe with EMP grenades and all wrapped in a Hunter Contingent.
If you have his army list from your last match with him I'd love to see where he went wrong.
>>47531788
stop that. It had no COMP rules, it had rules. You can say the rules were shit, but they were there.
>>47531240
Yeah I got tons of snipers I'd highly recommend all Ork players load up on Lootas probably my favorite unit.
I wish the tactical squad kit included more bayonets
So do we what's releasing after the literal metal bawks and fancy bases?
>>47531961
*flesh bawks
>>47531961
nothing concrete, no
>>47531988
Shit, you're right.
I'm honestly excited to force weapon it to death, just because it's so fucking stupid.
>>47531961
This is the teaser.
Anyone know what the fuck it means?
>>47532018
more stealers, maybe? That'd be pretty neat.
>>47532014
I'll be getting it and some rhino treads from ebay to turn my flesh boxes into cheap metal boxes.
>>47532053
Genestealer Codex when?
>>47532071
it might just be lost patrol
>>47532073
Oh yeah, that might be it. Cool.
>>47531927
>Lootas
They're nice, but many complain they tend not to last long enough to make their point investment back.
What are the best Warhammer fantasy or 40K board games out there? I want to find one but dont want to pick up a shit game
>>47531699
Eldar Craftworlds.
>>47532124
I'd wait and see, there's a bunch of releases coming in the next year or two.
Blood Bowl is likely to be first, if you want to look into it. Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic are other games mentioned as being in development.
>>47532124
There is plenty of p&p games table top wise, but other board games kinda suck. Just stick to 40k vidya. Fantasy just got a pretty major game aswell.
>>47532189
>but other board games kinda suck.
What a fun eldar list (theme) way to play? Trying to avoid cheese
>>47532124
>best GW board game
space hulk, either 1st ed+expansions or 3rd ed
Tyranid attack and warhammer quest (the old one, not the new one) are pretty interesting with their random dungeon generation, but they aren't as well designed or easy to just pick up and play.
>be Tech Priest
>discover this hidden in a program.
yfw?
>>47532212
Gonna justify Conquest, relic, or forbidden stars?
>>47531961
>>47531988
>>47532018
>>47532053
>>47532068
wait what? is something happening?
>>47532224
Swordwind.
>>47532264
Forbidden Stars isnt bad. CitOW is a hall of fame level board game.
Iron Hands + Skitarii anon from last thread, anybody want to critique a list?
SM CAD (415)
Techmarine - 90
- Betrayer's Bane
Tacs - 115
- Rhino
- Meltagun
Scouts - 105
- Storm w/Multimelta
3 x Rhino (Fast Attack slots) - 105
SM Allied Detachment (205)
Techmarine - 65
Scouts - 105
- Storm w/Multimelta
Rhino - 35
Skitarii CAD (630)
2 x Vanguard - 230
- 2 plasma calivers
2 x Vanguard - 170
- 2 arc rifles
2 x Onager Dunecrawler - 230
- neutron laser
Total: 1250
I could get to 1500 easily with unit upgrades and a tricked-out bike command squad for the second techmarine to ride around with. What are your thoughts?
>>47530227
Funnily enough, I intended them to be Blood Angels successors but with sorta Saxon/Gallic flavorings.
And for their chapter to have this huge hammer he recovered from a Shrine World.
>>47531827
Could be worse for him. He actually OWNS 9 Riptides, and 4 Stormsurges, and he's buying more of them for when the store gets back into Apoc season.
I play Raptors too, so I also have the option of rending his suits to death if they get within 24". Last game I played with him, a single 170 point tactical squad with 8 bolters, plasma gun, plasma cannon, managed to kill a riptide in only one turn of shooting by good rends.
My hardest counter to him is of course the 30 devastators with Infiltrate using Ignores Cover Grav-Cannons. Which he totally deserves for being the kind of person that brings multiple stormsurges to 'casual' games with new players, while simultaneously complaining that they're overcosted and shit. So he's pretty much the /tg/ avatar of tau-faggotry.
So far though I've only been stomping him into the ground with 20 plasma gun lists, he hasn't pissed me off enough to truly come out and take my gloves off. I'd rather he be surprised when I next show up to a tournament with the aforementioned grav-cannon list.
>>47531961
Warzone Fernis part 2, and /tg/ continuing to whine about 40k.
>>47532246
Slaanesh, leave him alone. No wonder cares about drugs or sex when your greatest champion is Lucius.
>>47530712
I'm almost done doing my first box as all Thousand Sons. I think I might do up an allied contingent in either World Eaters, Dark Angels, Ultramarines, or Alpha Legion with the Ultramarines portion of my second box so that I can run the actual game.
>tfw I have painting ADD.
>tfw I can't paint good.
I want to die.
>>47532436
I am both and have fully painted up to 3000pts over 8 months. It will happen.
When exactly does Shrike get to use his Infiltrate? He's only allowed to deploy with Jump Infantry units, but none of them have Infiltrate.
>>47532627
I'm pretty sure it confers the special rule to the rest of the unit.
>>47532654
Huh, never realized they changed that. Thanks.
>>47532353
How are you infiltrating so many units?
>>47530781
I love to play against tyranids, especially swarms of little dudes. Just with the one tyranid player in my group bought more models
I play Guard, DA, GK, and Eldar.
So I can technically infiltrate my land speeder storm if I have my scouts in it, correct?
>>47532716
Nevermind, Isodon gives you Master of Ambush. So you're only actually infiltrating 4 units. Still a fair number of Infiltrators.
>>47532224
aspect dar (sans warpspider)
Melee Dar
Guardian footdar
tankdar
Basically avoid wraithknights, scytheguards, scatbike spam, and warpspiders.
So I know nothing about 40k and own no miniatures(yet) so how does mixing of armies work if it works at all? Like aren't all the Space Marine factions and Imperial Guard on the same side? Can you use any unit from any of those factions in your army?
>>47532788
only if the land speeder is a dedicated transport
>>47532855
Generally, you can take any mix of factions that you like, so long as the minis from each faction fit into either a Combined Arms Detachment (Generic roster that include an HQ unit and some Troops), Allied Detachment (Generic allied roster of an HQ and less troops), or a Formation (listing of specific units for some benefit). Allied factions, like Space Marines and Imperial Guard affect each other with special rules and Independent Characters can join each other's squads.
So what is the current state of Independent Characters with Infiltrate? Do they confer it to a unit they join as per the rulebook? Or is it like the last FAQ where characters can only join other units with infiltrate? This is just too much of a clusterfuck for me.
So where in Death From the Skies does it say that you can only target ground units with vendettas?
>>47532948
No. Vendettas have been stated by GW to be considered Valkyries stat-wise (in a FB post in response to being asked about it), and Valkyries may fire Snap Shots at Flyers and fire at normal BS at everything else.
>>47532929
>Asks two questions
>answers "no"
It's like GW is attempting to meme
>>47532929
Read it. Its saying that ICs without the rule can join an infiltraiting squad AFTER they deploy. So you cant put a superfriends squad together and infilitrate them all. However, since Shrike has Infiltraitor special rule, he confers it to the rest of the squad due to one model containing infilitratior lets the squad deploy as infiltraitors.
>>47532971
so where does it say that valyries may only fire snap shots at flyers? in the main rule book it says flyers can choose whether or not they start the turn with skyfire.
>>47532997
There should be a ruling in the book where skyfire is only given to attack aircraft and aircraft with skyfire weapons
>>47533017
yeah, i'm asking where and in what book.
>>47532995
So its just what the rulebook says, infiltrate can be conferred by an independent character and that whole unit can infiltrate, yes? Sounds good to me.
>>47532997
He's talking about the new Death from the Skies supplement, which is awful horseshit that you should just ignore.
>>47533043
still, i'd like a reference.
>>47532788
Yes.
>>47533068
you know what?
nm, this book is shit.
I think they are mostly optional rules anyway.
>>47533133
It's not intended to be optional, but there's nothing stopping you and your opponent agreeing not to use them.
Any grey knight players know good anti armour units? I'd like to run my LR as a crusader for the dakka so I'd rather use something else if I have it, dreadnaughts maybe?
I know I've been shitposting this the past couple days but I'm about to put a bolt round in my mouth having to get 5s to glance fucking rhinos with psycannons
>>47533148
I would assume the opposite without any evidence to the contrary.
>>47533151
Either take dreads, or librarians with technomancy.
>>47533181
How does tecnomancy mesh with GKs? Sanctus Daemonology works super well for making my librarian a super rapey force multiplier so I'll need some convincing
>>47532018
Captain Antonius Vicenzi of the 9th Blood Angel Company
all I could find in google when i search games workshop and antonius
I miss the old rules for flyers, that basically operated like they did in Epic.
>>47533264
Sheild of baal 2?!
>>47533232
It specifically hurts/helps vehicles. Haywire attacks, and attacks that strip d3 hull points. If you don't get hurty ones, you get ones that can make your land raider 15/15/15 or not shaken when penned.
You have really said anything to convince me that these rules aren't entirely optional.
I don't think they have been implemented at the tournament level.
>>47533274
In fact I think the primaris is a haywire attack, so you're guaranteed something that can hurt tanks.
>>47530692
Thanks for ruining this model for me.
>>47533305
With my librarian taking 4 powers I'm sure to get something, might consider running that, my landraider, and a dred to try out a mech GK army, my dreadknigjt is still a good source of sactuary before he dies turn two so I wouldn't miss that completely, thanks for the food for thought anon
>>47533273
>Sheild of baal 2?!
>another Tyranid and Blood Angels supplement
This pleases me, but there's no way that would happen.
>>47533273
Lost Patrol is more likely.
>>47533043
My FLGS has not only been ignoring this, but the new FAQs as well.
>>47530838
Tau players in a nut shell.
so what makes you think the rules are not optional or that the basic book ruling on flyers does not apply?
>>47531240
you say that like nids have any snipers to speak of
>>47530838
Nice Tau player impersonation fellow Imperial
>>47533362
>, but the new FAQs as well.
y tho
>>47530993
Not too bad a job on the lenses.
But Jesus Christ dude 'drown in wash' is NOT the final step in painting.
>>47531149
This. Anyone who uses those fucking anime girl response pics needs to git that fuk out.
>>47531275
Sniper USR lost pinning for some reason
>>47533455
Don't do it dude.
>>47531699
rolling back armageddon
>>47533455
>wheredoyouthinkyouare.gif
>>47533455
Its the same fag that always does it. Ignore him like everyone else does.
>>47533399
People confuse the optional dogfight phase with the entire supplement being optional.
>>47533455
How do you feel about anime robots?
>>47533043
Death from the Skies is literally the result of: "Hey guys, any ideas on how we can fuck this game up even more?"
>>47533550
why is the entire supplement not optional?
what makes you think it is mandatory if no one is using it?
>>47533626
I feel like none of you guy have even tried it yet. Just because skyfire isnt auto granted, doesnt mean that most flyers are now firing snap shots. Read it. All its saying is positioning of planes determines how you are shooting at other planes. Attackers get skyfire because they dont have to follow the model other planes do to fire at full bs.
>>47533640
The part where they say 'these data sheets replace ALL current flier rules' mean it's not optional unfortunately
>>47533676
My buds played a match and had a blast with it.
>>47533676
my group doesnt use the rules simply because none of us have a copy yet
>>47533676
That just in dog fight jerk off. Read the fucking pdf. That you can get. For free. In the OP.
Only fighters get skyfire on the actual table now. Oh and FMC because fuck adjusting tyranids, just make sure they get no Battle Brothers
>>47533676
Getting a penalty to your reserve roll if you dont have as many flyers as your opponent is a shitty attempt at forcing players to buy multiple flyers. GW can take DftS and shove it up their ass. Everyone I know is disregarding it.
>>47533679
then it should have been in the main rulebook
I am not buying some homebrew supplement just so I can read about fliers that only other armies get
>>47533640
Its not mandatory any more than any supplement is. But it is official, and does replace and supplement existing rules and statlines.
You dont have to use it, but if you dont, you are ignoring part of the ruleset. Which I wholeheartedly agree with.
Death from the Skies is steaming pile of shit.
>all this salt
how many of your fliers were nerfed angry anons?
>>47533719
Why dont you provide a pic like the other anon or are you just gonna shout off what you think is correct.
>>47533719
>>47533855
>Only fighters get skyfire on the actual table now. Oh and FMC because fuck adjusting tyranids
The only source of anti air that CSM now get is through flying daemon prince assault - not even shooting since daemon princes had their guns taken away a few editions back
>>47533855
Maybe some people just think its unneeded bloat packaged with a clumsy attempt at forcing players to buy flyer kits?
>>47532018
Lost Patrol probably. Could be fun.
>>47533890
the rules themselves are unneeded bloat to get a bunch of neckbeards to buy their models
though i doubt if dfts was free people would have the same reaction
what should i take with mah blood claws for a 1000 point game. melee focused.
>>47533719
You have yet to read this book and yet you shit out soo many lies. Skyfire is only given to Attack aircraft out of the 3 types. Flyers can still fire full Bs at other flyers aslong as they are trailing behind. Fmcs are only mentioned in the book as "Air targets" and doesn't gain or loose anything from the DFTS supplement. Kill yourself.
>>47533878
Yeah DftS feels like it was designed by someone that just doesnt give a fuck. And had only the a vague familiarity with the game.
Leaving the Vendetta out because the kit doesnt come with enough lascannons to build that variant? Do you know how many GW kits dont have enough bits to build every loadout/variation? Vendettas are in the codex, did any other flyers included in a codex get left out?
Nerfing the Heldrake again!? Lol ffs poor CSM players. Its just comical. They didnt even give Heldrakes a formation, just the ability to squadron. They made sure not to give them fighter or bomber status. Make them attack so they arent good at anything!
>B-but they can vector strike
They will never be able to maneuver vs a fighter to get a vector strike off.
Thats just 2 issues with the book. Its a fucking joke famm. This is what happens when you hire people based on attitude instead of talent, and pay them minimum wage.
>>47533817
Its not more flyers anon. Its just having one if the other player doesn't. I guess guard are stupid too because they can buy a model to do that too.
>>47533855
I personally don't own any flyers but it'd be better if a single flyer didn't reduce reserves imo.
I'm okay with having to at least have a formation or altered CAD to get that bonus instead of getting the bonus for one and then getting another bonus for a second.
As is, if your codex has cheap flyers, you can fuck most reserve based armies.
>when are they gonna release a source book that has the side benefit of stopping overwatch or deepstrike charging for the cost if you take a CAD of two specific unit types?
I don't see how its not optional. If a tournament doesn't force you to use its rules, then how can it be considered mandatory?
>>47533969
melee weapons
>>47534006
I play Daemons. If you tried to tell me my deepstriking units had a -1 penalty to their reserve roll because you brought 3 flyers, Id tell you to suck a dick. 'Air Superiority' doesnt apply to my daemons materializing from the warp. Thats retarded bullshit.
>>47534029
damn it man.
>>47534050
>my special snowflake way of deploying differently shouldn't be affected just because everyone else has to deploy by air.
>>47534050
"The Dogfight phase takes place at the start of each game turn between Flyers that are in Reserve or Ongoing Reserve. If only one player has Flyers in Reserve, or neither player does, then a Dogfight does not take place." page 68, paragraph One - The Useless Supplement
tl;dr: As long as you have no valid flyers, in your army or in reserves, nothing happens.
>>47534075
>everyone else
the rules should be redefined to only matter on flyers, ie: if i have two flyers in reserve and you have one flyer and lets say some random troops choice, on your reserve rolls you should get a -1 to your flyer due to air superiority but the ground force shouldnt be effected by it
>>47533878
>>47533993
READ THE BOOK
CSM still have hellturkeys and they are attack craft themselves. This means they get skyfire and dont have to be behind an aircraft to fire at full bs.
>>47534075
>deep strike
>special snowflake
I know it feels good to use buzzwords like 'edgy', 'mary sue', and 'special snowflake' - but you need to understand what they are to use them effectively.
Not to mention that reserve roll penalty rule is a hamfisted way to sell more flyers. Defending it is a bit odd.
>>47534075
>everyone else
It's literally only Jump, Jet-packs, and drop pods.
Terminators teleport. Tyranids have half their crap tunnel in. Dark Eldar have Webway portals. Hell, anything with Outflank is just walking there without falling through the airspace.
The -1 to ALL reserves makes no fucking sense for a ton of units.
>>47534116
>hamfisted way to sell more flyers
see >>47534098
the rule takes into account not having flyers
>>47534126
>disgusting ground peasants think air superiority isn't the be all end all of combat
>>47534109
you're confusing attack flyers and fighters.
feedback on list
>hq-
Wolf lord. thunderwolf mount,two wolf claws, belt of russ, wulfen stone
>troops
- 10 blood claws+ powerfist- +rhino transport
- 5 grey hunters- wolf standard, power fist, plasma gun+ rhino transport
>heavy support
3 long fangs- 2 heavy bolter, 1 missle launcher
>fast attack
3 TWC, 1 frost axe, 2 frost swords.
4 fenris wolves + cyber wolf
>>47533982
Holy fuck is English your second, third or fourth fucking language? Read the fucking book. Watch mother fucking MWG videos on how this shit works. Only fighter type aircraft have skyfire anymore.
I want to use my acheron along with a bunch of stormtroopers in chimeras and armored sentinels but on top of it being unbound would you have an issue with the army having at least three, probably four, detachments?
>>47534109
You're wrong, Lord Al'Kaps. Please stop being a retarded fanboy faggot.
>>47534109
Are you the same retard who keeps mixing up the interaction of aircraft IN THE DOGFIGHT PHASE, IT'S OWN SEPARATE MINI GAME PHASE, with how aircraft work on the table?
Are you mentally retarded or something?
>>47534158
Or maybe I should ask: do you think people would have an issue with my army having at least three, probably four, detachments?
>>47534116
I think you need to read the post to understand context. Its no "buzzword" or anything like that. It is what it is. Their deep strike is from warp portals directly onto the planets. Other units have to use teleports from near orbit, planes, and other ways to get onto the battlefield with deepstrike.
But, since this is such an "evil bad GW jews at it again", why aren't you guys complaining about Imperial guard? I mean, isn't it such bullshit that they get a model which fluff wise commands aircraft to negatively effect other army's reserve rolls or boost their own? If someone purchased a 20 point model and I had to deal with a negative marker? I would be pissed! Seems like a shitty way to promote a model.
>>47534201
as long as the shits battleforged nobody should care unless its really, really cheesy
>>47534152
>Watch mother fucking MWG videos on how this shit works.
You know they have a monthly thing where they go through some comments about their past batraps and point out what rules they got wrong?
>>47534202
You're an argumentative little pissant arent you. Go ahead and be a faggot, no ones gonna stop you.
>>47534109
"FIGHTER SKYFIRE MODE
Zooming Flyers with the Fighter Combat Role can choose whether or not to enter Skyfire mode at the start of each Shooting phase. If they do, all weapons they fire that phase are treated as having the Skyfire special rule (see Warhammer 40,000: The Rules). Flyers with the Fighter Combat Role suffer a -1 penalty to the Ballistic Skill on their characteristic profile when targeting Ground Targets." page 59, paragraph six - The Book That Made CSM Even Worse.
Heldrakes are not Fighter craft, therefor cannot elect to use Skyfire Mode. None of their weapons have Skyfire. Heldrakes cannot Skyfire.
GW can be so silly sometimes. I get my first Guardsmen Command Squad and look at the sprue. This thing has not one, not two, but three different torsos for the platoon/company commander. Not to mention little bits and bobs that let me make it look like the commander's reading a map, or holding a cane, or has a servo skull floating behined his shoulder.
But.
When I look for the melta's I need to kit out an anti-tank team, I find only one. Yet the codex says I could take four on this squad alone! So the sprue designer at GW figured each squad should get lots of fluffy junk to personalize your squad, but also decided that it was unlikely the customer would need more than one of any particular type of special weapon in the squad. Whoops!
>>47534295
Not whoops, it's supposed to make you buy multiples.
But they were retards and didn't think about a thing called ebay.
>>47534283
Just let him be retarded. Everyone else knows the rules, that faggot will just go shitpost somewhere else until the next thread starts. Then he'll be back in here, shitposting, calling people retards, and just being a typical faggot.
>>47534295
This kinda shit is what's wrong with GW, also being undersold by stores less that 5 minutes away.
>>47534228
You know that Matthew at MWG is probably one of the more experienced players at this game in the world outside GW right? He isn't a dumb fuck like Quirk, he does his job fairly well
>>47534201
Love that fluff bit on how they get their preferred enemy rule:
the pre mission briefing.
You fucking kidding me?
>>47534355
Dave still a best.
>>47534311
I just wanted to put some real information out there for people that don't know.
>>47534400
Normal chucklefuck sentinels don't get intelligence, comrade.
>>47534409
>>47534355
They do a pretty good job tailoring lists for incoming players so that they aren't direct counter-armies, but do have just enough counters to make each game a back-and-forth affair.
>>47534308
>>47534295
it happens a lot less with the newer kits
Devastator squads come with 2 of each weapon, when they used to come with one. If you combine the 2 missile launchers with the 2 from your two tactical squads, you will have 4.
But instead people just cry and whine about not getting four grav cannons.
>>47534228
Shut the fuck up faggot. May those who have not sinned cast the first stone.
>>47534544
Go away shill.
>>47530809
Sweaty fapfics
>>47534586
>pointing out fact
>SHILL WTFFFFFF AQAHHHGHGGH
>>47534586
>HEAR ME BE A CRYING BITCH OR BEGONE!
>>47534544
You're not a shill, but you're still dumb.
Why not sell devastator bodies and then sell guns as bits on the side?
>>47534627
They used to sell bits when the company didn't suck so bad.
>>47534627
>>47534647
because you are not supposed to field 4 grav cannons. They only let you because they know you will buy 2 boxes that way.
Alternatively, just buy the grav cannon bits off ebay like the usual WAAC player.
Either way I hope everyone but eldar and tau players decline games against you, for their sake more than anything.
>>47534659
Scions come with 1 of each gun... defend this bullshit.
>>47534659
For that matter how in 7 years have they not been able to toss a couple lascannons in the valkyrie box.
>>47530868
>>47531453
>he doesn't enjoy a brawl between hordes of naked crisis suits and hordes of Orks.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>47534667
you need more than one scion box anyway and are you seriously going to put the same weapons in every squad?
But how do you explain the pose on the plasma gun? That is inexcusable...
How would one pull off a Fallen army fluff and table top wise?
>>47534659
What if someone was fielding blastmasters against them. Would 4 grav cannons be acceptable then? Serious question as I play chaos and the only good shooting marine weapons we have are plasma guns or blastmasters.
>>47534717
furthermore iirc the formations require 4 squads anyway giving you the 4 meltas needed for your netlist command squad, as well as four of each other special weapon to distribute among the 3 other squads
>>47534721
>As the core of the world seemed to be suddenly missing, chunks of land seemed to float away. >Squads suddenly were divided as the land masses drift apart. Some able to jump to their comrades while others falling into the abyss.
>Even those who found land were soon overwhelmed by the sudden lack of oxygen and gravity as they too drift into the void.
Table top wise, hit the center of your playtable with a sledge hammer till it breaks with all your models on it.
>>47534734
blast masters are good, but not on the level of grav cannons
can a squad of noise marines destroy anything in the game in a single turn? It isn't super likely. Also, noise marines don't get drop pods or chapter tactics.
Sorry to get your hopes up, but SM have your CSM outgunned, now and forever.
>>47534721
By using this.
>>47534764
>SM have your CSM outgunned, now and forever
You can thank your forerunners before hands for their sins in 3.5. Now current CSM players are stucking paying for someone elses misgivings.
>>47534721
Use the Dataslate formation with Cypher and have 3 squads of Chosen tag along with him. Fluff-wise, it's Cypher managing to get a sizable gathering of fallen together for some immediate goal.
>>47532321
Just a heads up, the skitarii can't start the game in the rhinos as of the newest faq, bear that in mind.
I just realized it's possible to make 500pt (exactly) CAD for guard consisting of 3 eradicaters, a tank commander, and two infantry squads. Hopeless against 2+/3+ but holly shit if it couldn't table anything else within a couple of turns.
>>47534417
rather they're usually going into a fight as reconnaisance, instead of straight up hunting a priority target
>>47531475
Using out of date datasheets?
>>47535001
Scratch that, an IG army limited to S6 shooting is far from optimized, however spamming AV14 tank shock would be fun.
>>47534743
>muh netlist
>literally the only fucking way to run scions
not sure if bait or just retarded
>>47535150
Still legal
>>47535001
Am I missing something? I count it being 510 points.
Tank Commander (30)
Eradicator (120)
Eradicator (120)
Eradicator (120)
Veterans (60)
Veterans (60)
>>47534781
> Chosen gain the benefits of ATSKNF when near Cypher
> Gaining ATSKNF from a model that already fucking has ATSKNF, which APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE UNIT
WHAT THE FUCK. WHY? THERE IS LITERALLY NO FUCKING POINT. JUST TAKE CYPHER AND CHOSEN AS A CAD OR UNBOUND, AND YOU GET THE FORMATION BENEFIT WITHOUT THE FORMATION ITSELF OR RESTRICTION
Even fucking better, aren't Chosen either Fearless or have ready access to it, or are LD10?
>>47535278
its like synapse you fucking retard, its a 12 inch bubble that applies to all chosen from the formation
What's the going rate for a complete 'nid army, assembled and painted?
>>47535292
Except they don't need ATSKNF, they can just gain Fearless for a whopping 1 point per model, which is even better. And they don't gain an arbitrarily retarded formation restriction.
>>47534752
This is still the better option to run a fluffy fallen army.
Why do I love assault armies when shooting is the way to go?
I play GK, BA, and SW.
>>47534787
>mfw eldar get nerfed into oblivion for 8th due to how powerful 7th was
>mfw vanilla marines finally get a bad dex
>mfw GW gets over their mecha fetish for tau
an impossible dream sure, but just the thought makes up for another day in retail hell
Which is better for Xenos Inquisitor, Rad nades or Psychostroke?
>>47535336
>>mfw vanilla marines finally get a bad dex
Another one? Damn.
You know the past editions marines weren't top tier. Its this edition that they jumped up.
>>47535373
Dickostroke
>>47535303
>they can just gain Fearless for a whopping 1 point per model
no they can't
also infiltrate for free is pretty big
>>47535391
I think he's referring to an Icon of vengeance, although that's not as good as just getting ATSKNF, as that could potentially get sniped out of the unit.
>>47535378
vanilla has always been fine, i was talking about if vanilla/marines/tau got bad books which won't happen. i could see a monkey's paw effect it were to happen
>marines get the worst codex to ever exist
>interest in 40k sinks
>GW puts out an amazing plastic SOB update
>still can't recover from the loss
>>47535189
if you are using scions as an elites choice for guard they are good anti-MEQ
>>47535418
Well yeah, but that doesn't mean 4 special weapons on the command squad is a netlist. That's bog standard and basically a requirement.
>>47533878
they can buy flakk missile launchers for havocs. Pricey but there.
This game would be great if it sold you books with factions lore and art only. Then, its also part binder. GW would then sell additional booklets that go into the binder like removable dataslates.
This way you can get a constant updating meta without having to wait for a whole new codex to be released. Also, any new formations can be bought at the local GW store. You can even do it like magic where you have foil art or some shit to verify that its GW product.
I think this would be better on newer players too. They don't have to worry about buying a codex and can print off an army.
>>47533855
voidraven
overpriced as usual, but now without being able to shoot at fliers. (higher agility and pursuit then most fighters means nothing....)
not nerfed
Ravenwing is now worse vs ground targets
(but actually better because he can reliably do a second 90° turn and use S7 shred large blast missiles againt aircraft)
>>47533043
prett much all persons i spoke with, do. and in an official gw store at that, simply because its too expensive to buy.
>>47534009
>dat orky helo
Needs moar dakka but still zoggin noice, m8.
>>47535334
I'm the same way. It has to do with our personality, how assaulty models look cooler, and how its just more badass/skillful to kill something up close.
>>47530088
should i pick up the newest space marines codex or should I be fine with the 6th ed? I'm just learning and want to atleast get a codex to go with my Dark Vengence set when it comes in.
And I want regular SM codex, not DA, mainly because I feel like that would help me understand basic game concepts better than a specialist rulebook for a specialist army.
unless that's what both of them are, in which case I'm pretty well fucked.
>>47534787
>GW closes dex loopholes
>by writing punitive follow-ups
>because of their admiration
>for "competitive" players
My, aren't YOU the special one?
>>47535682
The current one, Anon. The Dangle Dex is a seperate book.
>>47535682
You'll want the current rules. They're roughly equivalent in terms of complexity.
What do you want to run?
>planning to buy some stuff tomorrow
>keep changing my mind on what to get
i know i want to buy a drop pod, but i dunno if i want to get a centurion squad to stick in it or get another razorback.
are grav-cents in a drop pod overkill against a nid friend who likes spamming shit like carnifexes
>>47535705
Haven't the slightest idea, leaning towards space marines, honestly like the Ultramarines but I can get DV for about 30 bucks cheaper than a 500 point Ultramarines army with a codex and rule book.
DV is 85 bucks, the army alone without the tacked on 120 because I have to buy a 3 set collection for the rules plus another 58 dollar codex.
Like how do they get away with that?
>>47535464
I'd be in favor of this if you could also get "binder+all current faction dateslates" for a reduced cost too.
It'd be neat if they managed to pass this onto Forgeworld too since running a "FW" list would be so much simpler.
>just slip forgeworld detachment/unit slates into book
>don't have to carry around multiple books
>"reee it's not in the faction codex" argument dies off
"Your army isn't in the 'Faction X' Codex!"
*open binder*
"Yes it is"
>>47535682
>I'm just learning
just download a pdf of the newer codex
dark angels are also generalists, so whichever book you pick doesn't really matter too much
Firing line ork army.
Terrible idea?
I am thinking of mek guns, big meks w/SAG, grot bomb launchers and maybe lootas? What do you think, /tg/? Are you able to have multiple fortifications per CAD?
>>47535739
By not caring about poorfags.
>>47535765
Oh well, it was a passing interest anyway.
>>47535454
I forgot they could do that, but at 38 ppm for havoc + ml + flakk that is a lot of points
the only real use I see there is you intended to take missile launchers anyway and want to pay 40 extra points for the "just in case" (as if your havocs won't get alpha striked anyway)
>>47535775
>Admitting to being a poorfag
>>47535741
>Put Imperial Guard unit pages inside Tau codex
>Instant Gue'vesa
>>47535757
Lootas might be okay. Orks really weren't made to gunline though.
Fortifications might be able to make up the difference, but I think you'd need to take one of the formations for them as I'm pretty sure you can only have one otherwise.
When exactly did the Imperium lose common sense? Was it on a Monday?
>>47535844
when magnus the red fucked everything up
>>47535844
Soon as Horus rebelled. That signalled the death of the Imperium.
>>47535869
magnus did absolutely nothing wrong
>>47535869
>>47535877
It was a gradual process, guys. They could have still had some common sense, but someone spilled coffee on the common sense STC. I need to know when after the Heresy.
>>47535880
>cast a daemonic spell
>Ahzek warned him that they didn't understand the spell
This meme needs to end.
>>47530730
I know man, just realized I may have a problem when i looked over my armies.
Orks
Raptors
Alpha Legion
Biel-Tan
Even used to play Cadians.
>>47535899
>I need to know when
the nice thing about the setting is that you have to think up the answers yourself. Engaging the mind as to consider what might have happened to make everything so fucked up.
Well, until Black Library gets ahold of it.
>>47535943
It's easy to see that it wasn't lost when the Nids got here, Horus's dank heresy raped the common sense STC, Vandire probably raped what he could get a hold of it... Somewhere around the Age of Apostasy is where it probably shriveled away.
>>47530781
Tyranids.
They are a fun mirror of my Orks.
Kans and Carnies clashing
KMKs and Tervigons throwing plasma pies at one another.
Venomthrope poison clouds mixing with Bikes and Buggys fumes and dustclouds.
Boyz and Bugs hammering one another into a pulp while Nobs and Warriors take turns hiding from S8 weapons.
>>47535735
grav is one of the best weapons in the game, centurions with grav cannons a great deathstar, tyranids are rather weak and the carnifex is pretty weak as well. suffice to say that would be overkill
>>47535899
>Magnus treats with the Ruinous Powers to save his Legion and save the Imperium
>Vilified and hated
>Emperor treats with Ruinous Powers to make some really dope generals
>Lauded as Savior
Get fucked, retard. Magnus's fuck-ups are far lesser than the Emperor's.
>>47536028
>Emperor's fuckups;
>made angron, magnus, lorgar
>Magnus' fuckups;
>literally everything
>>47536028
That just paints the Chaos Gods bigger idiots than normal, and is undoubtedly the dumbest retcon ever. Also it's not like the Chaos Gods will ever get back at the Emperor. They never will, and it's Age of the Emperor.
So, I'm running renegade-styled Rogue Trader campaign, and one of the players wanna join as Dark Eldar. I'm still not sure how to not turn this event into a bloody carnage.
DE is a half-born Kabalite, who earlier served in the crew of decadent corsair prince, and had her reasons to leave along with void-dreamer. They will have some shiny trinkets which mon-keigh will definitely love, and void-dreamer knows the warp routes in local sector, so I think it is really possible to negotiate.
Space Elfs, on the their side, will get a way out of servitude to their decadent boss, who's really hated by whole Webway, but I'm not sure if they have real reasons to stay in mon-keigh crew for long (I mean, 5-7 years long, for the duration of campaign).
Also, how do you corsair Eldar? I don't want to depict them as a human assholes with pointy ears, and I want to retain some 'alien' feel. Still, they are definitely not a dull no-fun-allowed Craftworlders, and not Commorragh sick BDSM fucks. Which personal quirks can I use?
>>47536258
Bad idea.
Eldar really hate imperial warp travel, has to do with being put in the realm of Slaanesh.
A Kabalite will need his/her constant dose of pain otherwise wither away.
Kabalites and corsairs are not trustworthy at all.
Most Imperial places will shoot on sight.
>>47536258
Have them say pirate things in a Space Elf way.
>>47536258
>5-7 years long
Consider that Eldar live a long time, and Dark Eldar potentially even longer than that. A decade isn't very long at all to them.
A Dark Eldar joining a corsair crew will probably be one who doesn't enjoy the constant scheming of Archons, and is possibly a bit less insanely hedonistic, as Corsair crews tend to have a mix of Eldar from many walks of life.
I think Rangers might be an okay place to look for a baseline corsair personality. Striking out on their own path to reject a society that tells them there's only one way to do things. Of course, then you factor in the fact that the crew will be a mix of both Craftworlders, Dark Eldar, and potentially some Exodites. This means you're not only dealing with ideological differences, but differences in how they avoid the attentions of Slaanesh.
I think a good bridging point oddly enough might be Khaine. Both the Craftworlders and the Dark Eldar still respect him, and he's ingrained in each culture. With Corsairs being pirates and still focused on raiding, I could see the two sides finding common ground in the focus on martial skill. Craftworlders to find a path so as to not lose themselves, and Dark Eldar to extend their lives with the pain of others.
I would imagine honor duels being quite common, perhaps done in highly ritualistic manners befitting the old Eldar legends. Depending on the disagreement, you could either have the loser simply apologize, or have a grander series of bets and debts that create an intricate web of favors owed within a crew.
As for allowing a Dark Eldar crewmember to join a rogue trader, the biggest issue is them having to inflict pain to sustain their soul. As a corsair, it would theoretically be possible for them to acquire a soul-stone instead, though that's something to discuss with the player. If they do require pain to function, that makes them very at odds with the rest of the crew.
>>47536354
Don't Dark Eldar able to sustain themselves on metaphysical pain? Something about Lelith and her snuff films I think.
>>47536381
It's been a while, though I'm pretty sure Dark Eldar have to be in physical proximity to a soul in pain to gain benefit. It's basically feeding off of the emotional turmoil and using it to 'top off' their own soul energy, which is otherwise getting constantly siphoned away.
>>47530088
New hope
>>47536406
>>47536407
If it's pain they want they should see some of these threads. The butthurt of /tg/ could supercharge them.
>>47536422
Only if they're in the same room as someone getting trolled. They wouldn't be able to shitpost in order to sustain themselves, since the pain wouldn't travel across the internet.
>>47536434
So they get blue balled?
>>47536413
Nope.
>>47536383
>>47534335
Not in my state.
>>47535757
Take a Mek with 2 units of Grots if you need more slots. It can work: Lootas, Flash Gitz (these would be mobile), Mek Gunz, Looted Wagons, Supa-Kannon Big Trakks, & Shoota Boyz.
>>47536036
> Emperor's fuckups:
> "I trust you to lead my armies while I build a surprise back on Terra. Also, deal with all these shitlord bureaucrats in my place."
> "But father, what are you building?"
> "I DONT TRUST YOU ENOUGH TO TELL YOU."
> "Hey, father, I made the most compliant, devoted worlds in the galaxy by making them worship you as a god, because there's actually evidence you exist."
> *smash capitol city to the ground, sewing terror & death in the hearts of the mortals*
> *psychically force an entire legion to bow before not just him, but his lapdog son who wrote a different book, amidst the rubble that used to be a center of glory & learning*
> "Hey father, we're exploring the Immaterium to disempower its mystery through actual investigation, & to master IT before it masters US."
> "I TOLD YOU TO NEVER TOUCH THAT SPOOKY TOY THAT WAS KEY IN YOUR CREATION & LITERALLY REPRESENTS THE ETHEREAL REFLECTION OF THIS UNIVERSE'S TRUTHS."
> "Holy shit, dad, Horus has gone crazy & betrayed you, & is heading to Terra with his legions & others! I have to tell you myself to lend the message supreme secrecy, legitimacy, & haste. Had to bust through a wall to save the Imperium, though."
> "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, & FOR THE CRIME OF TRYING TO SAVE OUR SPECIES & WAY OF LIFE, PLUS BREAKING MY WALL I COULD REBUILD LATER, I'M SENDING YOUR HYPOCRITICAL GULLIBLE FURRY BROTHER TO ARREST YOU FOR TRIAL."
