why cant space marines have girlfriends or boyfriends?
Because most space marines belong to quasi-religious military orders with extremely regimented daily life?
When you are married to war, cheating is out of the question.
>>47521720
bros before hoes
>>47521720
Because they are brainwashed into caring very little about anything that doesn't involve war and serving the emperor's will.
They have no desire for it at that point nor they should as the adeptus astartes are purposefully designed to not be able to reproduce independently from mankind.
When are we getting a Chapter based off the Theban Band?
>>47521720
They're not normie shits.
They don't have dicks.
>>47521720
They have the emperor.
I do recall this one picture of a Sororitas making out with a marine on a battlefield (I think he was a Blood Angel?)
All the other SoB and marines surrounding them looked like they didn't approve, though.
>>47521720
Because friendship is magic, and magic is HERESY!!
The only relationships allowed by the Emperor are within a chain of command.
>>47521720
Because they're literally to busy.
Busy fighting. Busy recovering and travelling to the next war zone. Busy training and practising and meditating and getting more hypno-indoctrination learning going on. Getting cross trained on various optional weapon platforms.
Totally aside from that, they don't feel the urge. They may well understand it, but due to a wide variety of factors don't see it as a priority in the least. (Although personally I don't think the SM's are dickless, I swear that is just one or two anon's who are butthurt)
You honestly posted the absolute best example of the way a Space Marine treats people that they care about. Titus and Leftenant Mira were perfect and exactly how most SM's (that aren't raging fuck sticks, i'm looking at you Flesh Tearers) should and would treat those they care for.
>>47521883
Fighting for the Emperor all day leaves little time for fornication.
>>47521720
>boyfriends
faggotry is heretical
Sterile union is heresy.
>>47521993
It's a better solution than forcing fags to reproduce.
>>47521962
>Although personally I don't think the SM's are dickless, I swear that is just one or two anon's who are butthurt
In one of the early horus heresy books a human commented on a space marine, saying that he was large in all the ways you might measure the size of a man. Interpret that as you will.
>>47521720
Because they're autistic spacemen designed to appeal to autistic children.
I think marines could have an emotional and intellectual relationship with someone, but they are so insanely transhuman than anything more is not happening. Imagine a two tonne marine with steel bones and iron skin trying to have sex with a normal human woman.
>>47522000
Nobody in 40k is forcing fags to reproduce.
/tg/ once did maths and estimated the population of all hive worlds in the Imperium to be somewhere between 4 and 5 quadrillion not counting servitors and tourists.
And that's just the hive worlds.
All the Imperium together could be triple figures of quadrillions in population.
Not including servitors.
Meat for the grinder is not something the Imperium is ever going to be short of.
>>47521962
>Leftenant Mira
I know we pronounce it funny but it's still written as Lieutenant in british english, just so you realise.
>>47521980
I just realized how much the Sisters looks like Egyptian women.
Shades of Cleo and Antony.
>>47521720
Chem-gelding. They've all been neutered so they won't be distracted from murdering their enemies.
>>47521720
they are married to the emprah
>>47521720
Because they are living war machines, and having sexual attraction to anything but their perfectly cleaned bolter is detrimental to their murder-everything function. They won't stop holding the line to save this girl, who is actually a daemon of Tzeentch in disguise. They won't spare a cute shota with psyker abilities and several corruption points. They will kill in the name of the Emperor.
>>47521720
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0c3VFXehWmR
This essentially sums it up
>>47521828
This, they're war autists
>>47521962
They have dicks, ADB confirmed it.
>>47523111
Why do we need ADB to confirm whether things have dicks or not?
>>47522269Maybe she stays on top?
>>47521720
Too busy fighting FOR THE EMPRAH and regretting not being Beakies who got shit done and could still get drunk.
>>47521720
>those other people are
>permavirgins
That's some IMAX-tier shitposting, OP.
>>47521962
They have penises, buy they are sterilized. They don't produce gametes anymore.
>>47522299
>but it's still written as Lieutenant in british english,
Look, it's not often we get to justifiably shit on the British, so just let us have this.
>>47524948
>Look, it's not often we get to justifiably shit on the British
You really need to try harder, then.
>>47524909
that's not stated nor hinted at anywhere
>>47522294
Manpower is literally the only resource the Imperium isn't low on.
>>47523148
For reasons like >>47525030
>>47521720
I mean they're basically battle monks. Monks (and nuns) were considered "married to God" in the sense that they dedicated their life to serving and loving God in a similar manner to how one was expected to care for and serve their spouse. Monks and nuns (and priests) were considered already in a relationship with God, which is why they were forbidden from marrying others. Space Marines probably consider them selves in a similar relationship with the Emperor, they are his loyal servants dedicated to carry out his will and thus romance is not something they have time for. Basically they're too busy serving their god to get into a relationship.
Since they spend almost the entirety of their formative years training, being trialled or being augmented, space marines miss out on an awful lot of social development.
They wouldn't know how to talk to a woman (or man) in a romantic capacity, all their life the only positive reinforcement they've experienced is "that was good war-making".
They seem to experience every other human emotion, from anger, to satisfaction, and even fear (though it's more like worry since it has no control over them), so I assume they're capable of finding a human attractive or otherwise enticing. But as others have said they just wouldn't particularly care, and line marines have a very regimented lifestyle which precludes interaction with outsiders.
Of course this isn't counting chapter serfs. Depending on the chapter there's probably ample time for marines to 'socialise' with serfs, for example during mealtimes. This could help the marine actually learn how to converse normally with mortals beyond "Fight harder" and "Good job".
But the whole battle-autist thing starts to break down when you get to older marines. Captains for example are noted as skilled diplomats, and after a few centuries of age you must pick up something about social interaction. This leads to the possibility that older, higher-ranked space marines *might* be capable of forming romantic relationships as they have the social awareness to actually do it, and probably have a much less regimented lifestyle.
But this is all just eliminating reasons why they can't. Not specific reasons why they would.
Like everything it would depend heavily on the chapter. The Iron Hands probably replace their dick with an adamantium crotchplate as soon as possible. Black Templars likely have the 'married to god' thing going on since they actually believe the emperor is a god unlike most marines. Space Yiffs seem most likely to be able to form relationships since they're already socially developed when recruited.
>>47525030
It would make the most sense given that their genes are so dramatically altered that they were about as related to humans as humans are to chimps, which would make them effectively sterile if they had intercourse normal humans.
>>47525347
Are all their genes altered?
They're given extra organs that are explicitly noted to sometimes be rejected by the host.
>>47521720
Because they are genetically castrated and love is heretical.
>>47521720
They simply have no interest in sex. Like fear, the sex instinct has been completely excised from them. Sure, there are physical modifications that make it impossible for them to have offspring or whatever, but they've been rebuilt into superhuman killing machines.
It's like trying to use a Geiger counter as a toaster. Oranges and apples.
>>47525379
Not all, but enough that they would have a vastly different immune system and are explicitly stated to have some completely unique kinds of cells and hormones floating around. That would totally fuck with their reproductive functioning, especially during puberty when Space Marines are receiving all those implants. By the end of all those surgeries and therapies, their physiology would be totally unrecognizable when compared to normal humans.
>>47525490
Fair point. Reproductive compatibility is a pretty easy thing to mess up. So even if they ever did overcome the many hurdles between a space marine and a lover he'll be shooting blanks.Get the librarian to magic it better.
>>47524537
Why even have sex if you can't fuck in missionary for the sole sake of procreation for the Emperor
>>47523064
No, you are thinking about Myrmidons.
>>47525552
Why would you want to fix that? I can see many problems arising from marines being able to have kids. You'd get situations where Marines end up starting dynasties which could mess up the chapter dynamic.
>>47525597
Oh yeah I agree. I was just kidding.
>>47521720
They can not have boyfriends because they are not fags. They can not have girlfriends because they are ANGRY ALL THE TIME. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
>>47525631
>They can not have boyfriends because they are not fags.
But anon that's purest love for purest soldiers of the emperor.
Especially when working with eldar, they're basically girls anyway.
Because romance is in the realm of Slaanesh
>>47525654
Nope. Kurdish Peshmerga ban gay interpersonal relationships, used to be by death, for the same reason all other romantic interpersonal relationships are banned in military units.
>>47521720
They're called Battle Brothers/Sisters of Battle.
>>47525733
I didn't mean with other marines.
>>47525654
That's the sort of mindset that lead to the collapse of Japan's central government and started the Sengoku: Everyone got sick of the powerful people wasting all their time pounding boypussy instead of doing their fucking jobs.
>>47525776
Yeah but the eldar don't stay for long, so it won't be all-the-time.
Just a little elfbutt every few years.
>>47525807
That's always how it starts. Just a little butt mining here and there. Then they find excuses to do it more. Then they stop making excuses and whatever time isn't wasted on poundage is spent lazing around debating the traits that make the best ass.
Then comes the weird stuff
>>47521993
Pretty sure the Emprah doesn't care where you stick it as long as you do it for humanity.
Has there ever been an explanation as to why Space Marines aren't bred over being created?
>>47526504
Because you can't just stick new organs in a person and expect his gametes to carry the genetic code for that stuff. Acquired traits aren't passed through breeding.
Because they're edgy manchildren in armor. Effectively a projection of their unfuckable fanbase.
>>47526504
Because Emps wanted them to inspire and protect humanity not replace us
>>47521720
They can.
They usually don't because religion.
>>47526504
That would take millions of years that the Emperor didn't have to make humans into superhuman killing machines. The closest thing to space marines being bred in fluff is the Daemonculaba, so yeah, not an option.
>>47526750
>Daemonculaba
What the fuck GW...
>>47521720
Who said they can't?
>>47526750
>millions of years
Bullshit. A master of biomancy and genetics could whip up some supersoldiers in no time. The problem would be that the genetic changes would leave baseline humanity in the dust, and you'd have civil war brewing by all the people that don't want supplanted.
Salamander are allowed to have families and act as elders and civil servant to their communities.
Also BIG BLACKSMITHS
>>47521720
Salamanders have wives. Your complaints are invalid.
>>47527168
you're an idiot
>>47527168
>Salamanders have wives.
No they don't.
>>47521720
Because they are brainwashed weirdos with shriveled up genitals and no sex drive.
>>47524537
Ever actually had sex? Try to imagine doing it without ever thrusting or squeezing the broad.
>>47521720
depending on the chapter's laws, they certainly can. It's just that your average Astartes has more important things to do than court lovers. Their time is better spent killing xenos and protecting the Imperium while normal people beneath them have normal relationships in near-safety.
That's what the Space Marines were designed for, anon. Not for getting girlfriends of their own, but keeping the Imperium safe so you can find your own and make some babies.
>>47527334
>when the noblewomen keep hitting on you but you just want to keep guarding the chapter master
>>47521720
Well yeah, their freetime is very limited, so they don't have the time for that.
Also, as everyone else mentioned, Space Marines usually don't have the urge for sex.
And also the old, and ongoing question, if Space Marines are sterilized/castrated.
Altough, it varies from chapter to chapter.
As mentioned, Salamanders are allowed to have wifes, and Space Wolves at least sometimes fuck/rape Fenrisian women.
>>47527377
>tfw shredded, hung and have balls the size of most people's head but the Chaplain says it's naughty
>>47527456
>tfw stationed in a convent that hasn't seen any man for 10 years but it's heresy to say yes
>>47527498
>Implying an SoB won't just take what she wants
I am not saying this is a bad thing. If anything, it's a loophole. She won't do it unless it's the Emperor's Will and it's heresy to refuse.
>>47527521
>every morning wakes up tied to the bed
It explains all the 'literature' you find lying around.
>>47527377
You realize if you give in, you will literally kill her with your dick. Like the force of a grenade going off in her uterus.
>>47527550
Marine's have pretty good control over their strength. They're not downies.
>>47527498
>>47527521
space marines do not maintain a good relations with the ecclesiarchy
they're basically mutant pagans that have more legitimacy than the church, and that gets the church real fuckin' butthurt
>>47527550
This sounds hot as fuck
>>47527582
Hatefucking is a thing
>>47527104
They are the elder uncle that knew grand ancestor XY in person to the family though, not a father or lover.
Lots of virgins here tonight.
From experience I can tell: having sex is not the same as going berserk. There's a thing called empathy.
>>47526658
This.
>>47522299
Fair enough mate. I didn't know that, thanks though.
>>47521980
I like this pic.
>>47521720
The simplest answer, they can. Slightly more complicated, they don't because they are parodies of religious orders from history. Like those knights, they are not supposed to have romantic relationships because they are dedicated to a goal/purpose and sworn to it's service. Therefore, too busy.
But modern fanboy stupidity has made up thousands of other reasons that fit their worldview rather then bring it back to the basics. Some of their reasons are actually quite logical. Just superfluous.
>>47521720
>implying
>>47523016
>megachuckle
>>47527168
Came here to post this. I think its rather stated that they have families. Lexicanum that shit, i ain't gonna post source from my phone.
>>47527577
This.
In one of the Eisenhorn books a sergeant of the Deathwatch drinks tea from a china cup, even going so far as to stick his little finger out whilst doing so.
>>47521720
The first is because they are simply uninterested.
The second is that not only are they uninterested, but being gay equals fuel for Slaanesh, so HERESY.
>>47521980
That Space Wolf has the best reaction.
>By the Allfather my feet hurt.
>Why is Captain Giovanni kissing that Canoness?
>This is horribly awkward.
>I'd rather be back in the Aett (The Fang) and drink Mjold.
>>47526814
Brought to you by Honsou and Fabulous Bill.
>>47530089
And it was hilarious.
Also he wasn't a Sergeant, but a Librarian.
>>47530247
Having sexual urges, even *gasp* gay ones, does not fuel Slaanesh.
Having "excessive" sexual urges will fuel Slaanesh.
>>47530290
>Having "excessive" sexual urges will fuel Slaanesh.
"excessive" or "deviant", which faggotry certainly falls under
>>47530322
It's only deviant if tips touch
>>47530322
Also, stop fueling Slaanesh
>>47530322
Only deviance to the excess. Your standard deviance, not too bad. Like, S&M shit won't even touch the scale unless there's lots of blood, and likely some corpses, involved.
>>47530322
A local noble could buttfuck little boys until they die of anal hemorrhage and it probably wouldn't fuel Slaanesh. If he was simultaneously carving heretic runes into the boy's back with a knife, while snorting something 20x stronger than acid off of another boy's dick, it'd probably fuel Slaanesh.
>>47521720
As far as I can recall, they've been so brutally adjusted/gene manipped/surgery modded and overall skullfucked out of any semblance of normalcy that they simply can't or won't.
Lore in 40k is not standardized at all though, but a Spessh marine isn't meant to do anything but fight.
>>47521720
They bio-engineered mutants whose only purpose in life is to fight fight and fight some more with barely any time between aside from fucking around whatever transported they are on before they are dropped head first into another fight. They manly parts have no function aside from being there for decoration, their hormones and stuff are all geared towards RAEG and MANLY and they have been brought up as soldiers. There is no space for sexual drive in their entire body.
>>47530664
The problem is that everything starts small, ten grows from there.
One day, you're fuckin' your advisor's son, then the next -BAM- you're fucking his son, who's been transformed into a shota daemonette while his using a whip made out of his fathet's skin to flaggelate your self and injecting pure endorpins into both of your brains.
>>47530883
>The problem is that everything starts small, ten grows from there.
This takes hundreds, if not thousands, of years to occur, generally. Otherwise, almost every planet in the Imperium would have a decent sized chaos cult.
Dont Chaos Space Marines dedicated to Slannesh rape alot of men and women?
>>47530929
Plenty of worlds do have cult activity. In fact the majority of them do. They're just small fry and are dealt with on a regular basis either by local enforcers, PDF, or on heavily populated worlds, by the Arbites.
Not to mention these enforcers tend to not differentiate between chaos cults, mutant cults, xenos worship, or political terrorists.
>>47530971
40k ain't anime anon! Raping people won't make them into your willing sex-sleeve
>>47530971
Here is a link to the pdf of Tome of Excess.
Read it and rid yourself of idiotic memes.
http://wh40klib.ru/rpg/Black%20Crusade/Black%20Crusade%20-%20The%20Tome%20of%20Excess.pdf
>>47530929
Every planet has at least one. But most cases they are harmless, the 'cultists' just being angst driven teens worshipping HeretiGod the Chaos god they saw in some cheesy propaganda film because they know jack shit about the real power of Chaos.
Ragnar is probably one of the few non virgin marines
>>47531027
>>47531109
Look, there's a difference between a few people doing something edgy without having the faintest clue how to heretic properly and something which causes an even slight ripple in the pond.
>>47521720
Same reason priests and nuns cannot. You cannot fully devote yourself to God, and your duties, if you must also tend to your family.
Those who you are charged with watching over are your family, and they require your undivided attention to shepherd them into the kingdom of the God Emperor.
>>47523016
Thus post made my day. Now all I have to look forward to is endless pain and agony
>>47521720
>"We are warriors. That is all we know and all we do. Duty and war, war and duty. Thus it has been since we were created. The only bond we have that is not prescribed by duty is that of brotherhood."
>>47531039
Bodice-ripper novels.
>>47521720
Same reason OP is always a faggot.
>>47525631
>They can not have girlfriends because they are ANGRY ALL THE TIME.
So are people who have girlfriends.
There is literally no reason for Space Marines not to have comfort women from captured heretical planetsor eldar/tau
>>47529445
Knights are known for courting ladies' favor, why can't Space Marines do it too? Imagine two Black Templars dueling for the honor of some hot noblewoman.
>>47521720
>CTRL+F 'sterile'
>only two results
They're sterile.
>>47525767
THEN WHAT'S THE POINT ?!
Their indoctrination takes away the desire for it. The constant warp travel makes them sterile, the constant war makes it hard to find time for it. The size of everything below the neck makes it hard to perform it. The armor that they wear nearly all the time makes it hard to do it, Their weight makes it hard to not kill the partner. And in most cases their Chapter forbids it.
But sometimes it happens because of Chaos/Traitors/Space Wolves
I think their libido is probably destroyed during the process of becoming a Space Marine. Waste of energy. Also infertile.
But that's just what I think.
>>47533859
The ability to sire children has nothing to do with boyfriends and girlfriends
>>47527582
Take a look at that black templar. They and sisters are OTP
>>47527582
Black Templars and the Ecclesiarchy get along swell I'm sure since they both worship the Emperor as a god fanatically
>>47530089
To be fair, Deathwatch are the most well trained and most experienced Space Marines around outside of the fucking Grey Knights. A Deathwatch member could probably caress the wing of a dove and not ruffle a feather, but I imagine newly anointed Marines would have trouble reeling in their strength for especially delicate things.
>>47534801
>but I imagine newly anointed Marines would have trouble reeling in their strength for especially delicate things.
They specifically train to avoid that, mate.
>>47521776
Make your bros your hoes and everything works out.
>>47534720
Yeah, the 6th edition SM codex established the Black Templars as friends and frequent allies of the Ecclesiarchy and Sisters. This after the same edition's core rulebook had made them almost totally unwilling to fight alongside each other, to the point that the Templars actually preferred the company of Tau and Eldar.
>>47522444
Space Marines have all the equipment, an Inquisitor who showered with a Grey Knight naked together commented on how the Grey Knight would make a peerless lover if he could have sex. However all space marines are impotent. They have no sexual desires to speak of.
>>47525267
This is completely nonsense. Many Space Marines take time out of their lives to be some of the best artists in the Imperium, and kick ass at it thanks to their increased mental faculties. There's no reason why they couldn't think of romantic shit to say when there's been poet space marines, mason space marines, artificer space marines, writer space marines, carver space marines, etc.
>>47535140
Now I'm just imagine some incredibly hot woman pressing herself against a totally uninterested space marine.
>Oh my lord, you're sooo handsome...
>lol fuck off bitch i'm watching for xenos
>>47533823
> Fighting your Battle Brother over a woman
That's how you get sent to fight Xenos in a never ending crusade, Anon.
>>47521720
all that genetic engineering really fucks with their junk
>>47525597
In the fluff for a custom chapter I was working on having a Marine recruited from your was a great honor and determined the family's place in society. So higher rank families would focus on producing sons and training them to become good recruits for the Chapter. Of course families who already had Marines recruited from them before had the money and standing to train their sons better than lower class families, ending in a caste/hierarchy system where increasing your family's rank was next to impossible.
How do the Sisters view Space Marines?
>>47534801
Then the answer is that he is chained to the bed and she rides on top like a bucking bronco.
>>47524909
If they have testosterone though, they'd have the desire. I'm sure they have a lot of testosterone, given their size. Plus, marines are created through the introduction of foreign DNA, not genetic modification. Their genome isn't different from that of a normal man's. Any child they had would be a normal human.
>>47527521
Sisters of Battle have the mind set that if it serves the Emperor, it's getting done. In one book regarding the work of the SoB noble matchmaking/diplomatic unit, the Sister in question forces a nobleman and noblewomen to marry even though they don't like each other. I think it was implied they were both gay, but the marriage would have stabilised the world the Sister served, so they were required to agree to it and have as many children as possible. This makes you wonder about how homosexuality is seen in the Imperium. Imperial Guards are encouraged to have as many bastards as possible because it produces the next generation of soldiers, so is homosexuality seen as damaging the unit, or going against the Emperor's plan?
>>47535166
I know one Space Marine chapter that produced some of the most art-appreciative Marines in the Imperium:
The Emperor's Children.
Guess what happened to them.
>>47536262
I'd assume that since the sister didn't have any problems with it that as long as it doesn't get in the way of their duty (In this case getting married and having children) they wouldn't care.
If being gay had stopped them from fulfilling their duties, then they'd have had problems with it, just like how if the Guardsman had refused to have any children he'd be ostracized &etc.
It also plays into the themes of the universe as well - Yeah, you can be as special a snowflake, as lgtb or whatever as you want, but what comes first is duty and your role as a cog in the machine. Whether your specialness is being the best murder machine, having super paperworking powers, or being a networking smooth james bond motherfucker, or a 1000 year old lesbian furry pedophile, as long as you do your duty you're all the same in the eyes of the univers.
>>47536262
This is your regular reminder that the Imperium is made up of hundreds of thousands of distinct worlds and cultures kept loosely organised by an inefficient bureaucracy and a priesthood which routinely incorporates values and practices from the locals in the version of the Imperial Creed that they preach. There is no homogeneous culture you can make sweeping statements about.
Anyway, the population of the imperium is plenty large and self-sustaining enough that there is no requirement for the armed forces to be part of the breeding population. It happens, of course, but they're certainly not encouraged to run around knocking up locals - another body for the grinder fifteen years down the line does not matter as much as preventing dramabullshit right now for the effectiveness of the unit.
And how anyone feels about homosexuality is going to be dependent on the culture they come from. At the Imperial level they don't give a shit because there will still be more than enough kids to go around. Anything else is down to local prejudices.
>>47521720
>why cant space marines have girlfriends or boyfriends?
They pretty much aren't human anymore. they have little need for social bonds and in their normal state have no drive for sex. (Some Chaos Space Marines do but their bodies and minds are hardly not functioning within normal operating parameters)
Also their memories of their lives before training are erased, so in addition to all the changes to their bodies, brains, an instincts they also lack most of the social conditioning that could compel them to seek romantic relations anyway.
Another reason is that Space Marines live a monastic warrior lifestyle. Their life, training, culture, instincts, and biology have all been engineered to turn them from humans into people who are self sustaining, tightly self controlled, and thinking living weapons.
These are all reasons that space marines don't have boyfriends or girlfriends.
>SM goes down to eat some bitch.
>she starts crying as the acid spit melts her genitals.
That is why they don't have gfs.
The important question is why don't you have girlfriends OP.
>>47536378
>Also their memories of their lives before training are erased
Nope. That's not a standard part of the psycho-doctrination. Most marines have recollections of their former lives.
Chapters, like GK do erase memories so that this wouldn't affect their job as Daemon Hunters...though some GK get their memories back at one point or another.
>>47536496
Hot. Where do I sign up?
>>47536496
I thought the acid spit was some gland, not something that was on at all times.
>>47535140
What book was this.
>>47536671
Your salivary glands run pretty constantly.
>>47537246
Yeah, but SM's create their acid spit in the betcher's gland.
If warhammer40k.wikia is to be believed, it has to be activated consciously.
>>47534120
>Constant warp travel makes you sterile
Source on this? My Rogue Trader just became a lot less interesting.
>>47536340
It could also be the case that the movement of the imperial guard from far off worlds might hell stop distant gene-pools going stagnant.
space cooties
>>47536095
Kinky.
>>47535140
What book was this.
>>47537342
Unless the previous anon can source this, I think he's wrong. If a navigator can get knocked up by a simple human after some pretty serious warp travel, I doubt that an augmented dude would be rendered sterile by warp travel only. There might be other stuff like hormones and such rendereing SM sterile but I'm not sure warp travel impacts humans in and of itself. Malnutrition and crappy living environments in massive ships would also play a part in your crew not reproducing like rabbits but the RT is generally spared those dire circumstances.
>>47536340
I thought soldiers are encouraged to have children, especially with female soldiers? I've read that "service" units follow guard regiments and that soldiers are encouraged to use them to keep morale up.
>>47537651
>soldiers encouraged to have children with female soldiers.
I don't really think so, any sort of relationship within a platoon is haram because it fucks with group cohesion and has people do stupid things. Like ruining the plan when mister general has sent your waifu to die for the emperor as a sacrificial ambush.
>>47527878
>space marines
>empathy
>>47537742
>Let them bestride the galaxy like the gods of old, sheltering Mankind from destruction at the hands of an uncaring universe
Roboute Guilliman
>>47537777
>Roboute Guilliman
not a space marine
Well Space Marines have showed attraction to people (I am not counting Gabriel/Macha because C.S. Multilaser) but in the Space Wolves novels, Ragnar was pretty fucking hot for that inquisitor psyker Isaan or whatever she was called
>>47537815
Isn't there also another Space Wolf that gets the hots for a Belisarius navigator chick?
>>47537782
He is founder of marines and they share genes with him, don't pretend to be retarted.
>>47537683
What about the lesbians in the Cain books?
>>47537893
I'm just telling you what I know of present-day terran platoons anon.
>>47537879
I share genes with many people with varied and often quite bizarre outlooks on thing and yet I am not them.
Primarchs were not space marines and Guilliman never went through the same tests, upbringing or cultural influences of the space marines his genes were used to make.
>>47537944
>Bait bait thing
>>47537958
Epic comeback bro.
>>47537836
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Space Wolves aren't really normal marines, though.
>>47538007
>quote about empathy is from principal guidance of most marines
>pretends that primarchs don't have strong psychological bond with muhrinees
Nigga u went full reterd.
>>47538071
Strong psychological bond =/= same as
>>47538040
The Space Yiffs were an experiment in loyalty. Give marines canine loyalty and see if they hold to the Emperor's ideals. The end result proved the hypothesis correct. Space Yiffs are the heroes the Imperium needs, alongside the Salamanders. Each of the Primarchs were bred with specific traits to see how they would turn out, and how their legions would function. I assume the Emperor intended to take the traits from the best Primarchs to create a new race of superhumans similar to himself. The Emperor's ultimate goal was to uplift humanity to his level.
>>47538235
Except that the Emperor was a militant atheist and the Space Wolves still had their pagan gods.
>>47535166
If, over a given period of time, there were enough space marines, is it logical to assume that there would be a space marine for just about any human pursuit (that wasn't explicity heretical)? If so, is there a Marine somewhere who has completely mastered the art of plumbing?
>ironhandplumbshimselfashinybrassphallus.webm
>>47538271
How is that relevant?
All I'm saying is, if an assassin can fuck Macha, a space marine can totally fuck someone else
>>47538235
Wrong. The emp planned forthe astartes to die pff after he reunited humanity, the sa, e way he built designed obsolescence in the thunder warriors.
>>47537629
The Emperor's Gift, I think.
>>47538460
They weren't following the Emperor's ideals and other legions got bitched at for that.
But then also other legions got bitched at for having psykers and the SWs got away with that as well.
>>47521720
They have no testicles, cannot ejaculate and didn't develop or lost the desire for a mate or romantic partner.
Marines that decide they're missing out have a tendency to fall to Slaanesh.
>>47539972
Who said that they lost their testicles? They are fueled by rage and testosterone.
>>47539972
But thats all wrong. The first two are just theories, the Space Marine operation never goes into sexual organs. It's true they probably have lost the desire to mate, due to the intense military training and being a living machine of war, but numerous stories have involved Marines being romantically interested in people, Salamanders can have families, which most likely includes spouses, and Space Wolves disprove all of that due to the fact that they regularly indulge in sexual activities.
The last part is also outright wrong. Like many people, you seem to assume any form of sexual activity is Slaanesh in nature, but again, like many people have pointed out, Slaanesh is the god of EXCESS. A Marine who feels he misses out on love or romance and decides to go on some blind dates isn't feeding Slaanesh, a Marine who feels hes missing out on love and romance and flays a dozen still living women, hooks their bodies up to his armor and his brain just so he can share their endless pain, that would be feeding Slaanesh
>>47540233
Salamander families are civvies adopted by a marine, not a wife and kids!
Fenrisians have breeding slaves but womanizing Wolves have only been legendary for that before their initiation!
>REEEEEE
>>47538647
I didn't dispute that. I said they were an experiment to create a higher race. They were the prototypes, not the race itself.
>>47538647
Thunder Warriors could fix their obsolescence using Marine parts. Marines can make more of themselves via geneseed implantation, and geneseed does not have an expiration date.
>>47540212
Occam's razor. Space marines have no need for testicles and they present an enormous vulnerability.
>>47540233
By that logic gravity is just a theory. If a theory fits the evidence and makes a minimum of assumptions, it wins.
>>47540894
Except there is no evidence. No fluff or lore that delves into the procedure to become a Space Marine touches on their sexual organs or lack there of. The only "evidence" people present is "they are machines of war" and "they went through a lot of surgeries, there dick can't work anymore"
The reason they don't touch on that is because Space Marines ARE weapons of war, and sex is irrelevant, there is no reason to remove the sexual organs, nor to alter them, since they don't get involved in battle.
>>47540894
>Occam's razor.
Occam's razor would be assuming nothing happens to their testes. That's the fewest logical steps. You, on the other hand, have made multiple steps there, thereby failing in the use of Occam's Razor. You shouldn't have even brought it up, because it disproves your point.
>>47535166Space Marine Space Marines
>>47541135
I feel like getting at least one Centurian mini so I can use the armor for an Ork warboss
>>47541052
>Except there is no evidence.
Space Marines can't have kids (except for Space Wolves as an explicit and thematic exception). Spaces are forbidden from having relationships.
>>47541108
That's a novel form of bastardised Occam's razor you're wielding their. It's not too different from "the simplest is the best", but it's still as stupid. Go away and learn actual Occam's razor.
>>47541605
>Space Marines can't have kids
Where does it say this
>Spaces are forbidden from having relationships.
Where does it say this? Because if two fucking founding chapters can openly and freely have relationships, I doubt theres any enforcement on "No relationships" outside of the very strict and hard-fisted chapters.
>>47541605
Nothing is said about Muhreens having the possibility of having kids or having relationships.
And if Space Marines ever had kids, then said kids wouldn't be different from a normal kid.
Why? Because the process that turns boys into Space Marines is not actual genetic modification, but more like biological enhancement to superhuman levels thanks to the organs that are implanted into them.
>>47526453
>Pretty sure the Emprah doesn't care where you stick it as long as you do it for humanity.
Even when it's knife-ears?
>>47541719
Yes, marine kids would be normal humans. I'm sure artificial insemination would still work. Extract the sperm from them and implant them.
>>47541736
You could probably keep a cock sleeve Eldar pet, but your true love and the woman you make children with would have to be human.
>>47541605
>That's a novel form of bastardised Occam's razor you're wielding their. It's not too different from "the simplest is the best", but it's still as stupid. Go away and learn actual Occam's razor.
Let's see here...
>Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
In other words, the fewest logical steps, exactly what I said. Mate, you're flipping retarded. You're assuming that Space Marines would have something done to their nuts. That's more complex than just leaving them as they are. Hence, Occam's Razor doesn't support your argument. Are you fucking retarded? What other interpretation could you possibly be using?
>>47541750
Not sure if that would work. If they are so far removed from humans, wouldn't it make them incompatible with humans? Kinda like how it's difficult for wolves and dogs to interbreed?
>>47541750
Are you suggesting trying to make the whole implantation thing inheritable?
YOU AREN'T TRYING TO DO THAT!?
>>47541669
Several places. I assumed we'd all be familiar enough to be on the same page. I'll admit I'm not finding anything on google; this is purely my recollection of old codices. Lexicanum is shockingly sparse about anything concerning marine biology
>Where does it say this?
Marine schedules have been lain out in the 3rd edition codex among other places. They have about 15 minutes of spare time in their routines. Only two known chapters - Ultramarines and Salamanders - fraternise with mortals. Do the math.
>>47541778
Nope, completely different things altogether. Logical steps can be perfectly evidential and rely on no assumptions. Furthermore - define "logical step" exactly. I guarantee you that it's not possible, it's too nebulous to be quantified.
>devolves to ad-hom
Enjoy your fantasy.
>>47541787
The difference is, dogs and wolves are not just mentally and behaviorally different from dogs, they are also genetically different. But Space Marines are only physically removed from humans, they are still genetically human, they just have a lot of extra bits jammed into their bodies.
>>47541787
Not that anon, but the process that makes boys into Space Marines is not some genetic modifications that result in the creation of abhumans or subhumans or some other mutants the Imperium uses to do the dirtiest of works.
The Geneseed, and the implants, don't violate the whole holy human form thing, but enhances it to the point that a Marine is both something more and less than a human (more - as in something of a symbol of The Emperor and his might that unifies The Imperium, and less - as in the people that become Space Marines ascend to something completely different while sacrificing some of their humanity).
This means that a Space Marine would have much, much, much larger chance to come out as a human when compared to Ogryns or Ratlings.
Thus a Space Marine would still be compatible with humans...but then we have the whole chemotherapy thing that activates some of the implants. And this may or may not actually cause them to become infertile or not. Who knows? We'll probably never know how it really is. Though Bjorn was once hitting on a Canoness and he's the eldest Dreadnought in the Imperium.
>>47541858
So then we can just ignore the first part.
As for the second part, there are thousands of Chapters, and they all possess different schedules. Ultramarines, Salamanders and Space Wolves, three founding chapters, and three of the most famous founding chapters, permit 'fraternization with mortals' as you say, and relationships, so can you really say "RELATIONSHIPS ARE FORBIDDEN" when theres such huge evidence to the contrary, if not just "all chapters work differently"? I imagine the Celestial Lions and the Lamenters, when they weren't being slaughtered to their last for doing what they believe is right, would also have relationships with normal humans.
>>47541945
Walk into a medical institute and start demanding the nurses show you "proof" of their treatment's efficacy. You will be very quickly ignored, the same way I'm ignoring you know. Until you learn the basics, you're out.
>>47542012
>Space marines have no balls, can't cum and cannot have romantic relationships
>Well where does it say this
>I dunno but I read it somewhere, I expected you to have read it too
>So then this is a non-topic due to lack of facts
>Well why don't you go ask doctors for proof of their treatments
Are you really this stupid?
>>47541858
>Nope, completely different things altogether. Logical steps can be perfectly evidential and rely on no assumptions. Furthermore - define "logical step" exactly. I guarantee you that it's not possible, it's too nebulous to be quantified.
Mate, logical steps ARE assumptions. They might be educated assumptions, but are assumptions nonetheless. Further still, stop trying to derail this conversation away from your own failings. You completely ignore that your argument relies on more assumptions than otherwise. You think something was done, whereas Occam's Razor, choosing the less complex option, says that nothing would be done. Can you address that, or admit defeat?
>>47542103
>devolves to misquoting
Enjoy your fantasy.
>>47542216
You don't know what those words mean. Logical step is "if x, then y". At no point is an assumption guaranteed.
>>47539146
Lorgar, your Legion was reprimanded because your sons spent more time building churches than taking planets. I don't care what Leman believes as long as he does his job.
--Dad
>>47542311
>You don't know what those words mean. Logical step is "if x, then y". At no point is an assumption guaranteed.
I literally have a book on intelligence analysis right next to me, Reducing Uncertainty by Thomas Fingar. What words do they use... Let's see. logical step or deduction, used fairly interchangeably.
Okay, you have no arguments then. You are no longer even trying to address how your statement fits with Occam's Razor. You've lost this battle, mate, is it so hard to admit it?
>>47542311
>They have no testicles, cannot ejaculate and didn't develop or lost the desire for a mate or romantic partner.
>>47540233
>By that logic gravity is just a theory. If a theory fits the evidence and makes a minimum of assumptions, it wins.
>Except there is no evidence. No fluff or lore that delves into the procedure to become a Space Marine touches on their sexual organs or lack there of. The only "evidence" people present is "they are machines of war" and "they went through a lot of surgeries, there dick can't work anymore"
>Space Marines can't have kids (except for Space Wolves as an explicit and thematic exception). Spaces are forbidden from having relationships.
>>47541669
>Several places. I assumed we'd all be familiar enough to be on the same page. I'll admit I'm not finding anything on google; this is purely my recollection of old codices. Lexicanum is shockingly sparse about anything concerning marine biology
>So then we can just ignore the first part.
>Walk into a medical institute and start demanding the nurses show you "proof" of their treatment's efficacy. You will be very quickly ignored, the same way I'm ignoring you know. Until you learn the basics, you're out.
There. is that better?
>>47542395
Dog diddlers left behind broken worlds that needed rebuilding at cost to the Imperium and longer garrisoning until the resentment died away.
Logar's Lads left behind functioning worlds that benefited the Imperium and were fresh for recruiting from.
>>47542458
Now you're treating the words "deduction" and "assumption" as identical. There is no hope for you.
I'm not even approaching what's wrong with your reliance on one book on "intelligence". Best advice is to look a) more books and b) something less nebulous, like rationality.
>>47542463
Better at what? You've copypasted excerpts of my writing and... what? Make your point or stop arguing.
>>47542568
My point is you're wrong, you cannot support your claims, and you are stupid for attempting to divert to discussion elsewhere with nonsensical comments.
>>47542568
So yeah, you aren't even trying anymore. Good job, mate. You lost your argument, and are trying to divert attention away from that. Why?
>>47541789
No, but mass producing marines would surely be useful.
>>47536306
Emperor's Children are actually second to the Blood Angels. Virtually every single Blood Angel is an artist who does work on his own armor or carves marble because of the Italian Vampire whole theme.
>>47543106
Well the Legiones Astartes were all about mass-production, but they didn't have the discipline.
>>47541764
>you could probably keep a cock sleeve Eldar pet
I hope you die of space aids, you filthy fucking heretic
>>47541736
As long, as it is rape...
You know what astounds me? The lengths that anon went to trying to save face. It's like, holy shit, this is an anonymous imageboard. You have no lasting reputation to protect.
>>47523016
>is this something the spacewolves started?
>>47537342
Oh sorry, had to sleep, the source is from The Night Lords Trilogy. but it's validity rests on the words of Aaron Dembski so take that as you will. It may have even said constant travel through the eye of terror and not the warp.
>>47542470
The world the Space Wolves had to conquer weren't going to join the Imperium anyway and who the fuck is going to rebel when the super human dogfuckers that just raped your civilization are only a Warp Jump away from doing it again?
A hundred worlds worth of resources forcibly taken under threat of eradication is more valuable then a dozen compliant worlds who keep taking holidays to mastrubate on figurines of the Emperor
>>47521720
They're hypno-indoctrinated so that they don't feel the need to reproduce anymore, as they're warriors before anything else and wanting a mate would be an unnecessary distraction from their purpose.
>>47544872
This phenomenon has always puzzled me also
The concept of 'just stop posting' simply eludes some people it seems
