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Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
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Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault and the Star Wars LCG)
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Writefaggotry
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Shipfag's hangar
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>>46430426
COCKSUCKER
I ALMOST POSTED THE SECOND ANNIVERSARY EDITION
>>46430392
Lord have mercy on we poor sinners
>>46430472
well too bad fag, this is a shitty lightsaber thread
>>46430472
I regret nothing shipfag.
>>46430472
>THE SECOND ANNIVERSARY
God help us shitposters.
>>46430564
>>46430592
FUCK IT, WE'LL CELEBRATE IT LIVE
>>46430607
i'm not sure if I should shoot you or commend you for your persistence
alright boys, the big question: when did you discover/come to /swg/?
>>46430634
about two years ago after I decided to run a Star Wars campaign to my friends, then SW went from being something I grew up with and loved as a child to my biggest obsession and time sink, I'd be ashamed of myself if it wasn't so much fun.
>>46430634
Back in my day, we didn't HAVE generals! And we had to shitpost uphill in the snow every day!
BOTH WAYS!
>>46430634
>i'm not sure if I should shoot you or commend you for your persistence
Well, plenty of people tried to send me to Valhalla, but it didn't work so I'm doomed to married life and raising kids.
I came here simply because it was the one place left where we could honestly talk about the SW rpgs, (warts and all) without getting banned
>>46430426
So, /tg/, tell me about force ghosts. What's the deal with force ghosts.
Pic unrelated.
>>46430666
well, technically
I gave you your name,and goddamnit, that's what counts
>>46430693
Some light force users get to be 'ghosts' for a little while if they've got business with the living world, dark siders get absorbed into the chaos- the dark side can project force ghosts of certain dead dark siders, but as a representation only, they're not 'sentient' as such.
>>46430426
How's this list?
Soontir Fel (27)
PTL (3)
Royal Guard TIE (0)
Stealth device (3)
Auto thrusters (2)
(35)
Darth Vader (29)
X1 (0)
Advanced targeting computer (1)
Lone wolf (2)
Stealth Device (3)
(35)
The Inquisitor (25)
PTL (3)
V1 (1)
TIE mk.II (1)
I know Inky doesn't have auto thrusters but I couldn't squeeze it in and I know I'm just forfeiting iniative but I wanted the big names.
>>46430634
Last year actually. I ended up stumbling onto /swg/ just because.
>>46430634
Two years ago.
>I really need a game to play now that I've kicked 40K
>and I've always wanted to play a ship-maneuvering game, I wonder if X-Wing is any good
Three B-Wings and a core set later and I was reasonably interested in Star Wars again
How's the Republic Commando series?
I remember someone saying that Traviss did a crappy job with the Jedi.
>>46430989
The first book is pretty okay.
And yeah, the rest are shit.
>>46431196
Could you be more specific? I'm gonna end up reading them anyways, I'd just like to know what I'm getting into.
>>46431208
>I'm gonna end up reading them anyways
Then make up your own god damn opinion.
>>46431229
Like I said, I want to know what I'm getting into.
>>46430426
Has anyone here purchased one of these from Saberforge or the like?
>>46430678
>posting the inferior version
>>46430989
>>46431208
>>46431239
So, sorry to say, your not going to get an Objective opinion on the RepComm books here - people hate Traviss, and really only because of her other books
RepComm is great, BUT, some things you should know
It's written from the perspective of real war, so it feels less like star wars, and more like bong CoD - not a bad thing really, just perspective
Traviss is very critical of the Jedi, but these books were BEFORE the TCW, and the comics previous to TCW made the Jedi into giant assholes who treated clones like shit - and thus, in RepComm, majority of Jedi are shit and treat clones like shit
Traviss went full on hard for the Mandalorians, which isn't bad, but just something to keep in mind.
Read them, its a great series, form your own opinion.
>>46431450
Which comics had the Jedi treating the Clones badly?
>>46431450
>these books were BEFORE the TCW
By that I mean "Before the clone wars cartoon series, the filoni\lucas one"
>>46431464
I'm honestly not sure, and I might even be mistaken. Of the few comics I read, clones had no personality whatsoever, and basically came off as hardcore professional killing machines - it was a big deal that Anakin actually asked Alpha if he even had a name, and specifically Alpha told him "fuck no I dont have a name, I'm a clone asshole, fuck outta here" (paraphrased of course)
>>46431285
I thought I'd make my own with custom sabre shop parts.
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buggerit
Reading around sabreforge and whatever the main competitor was called both seemed like "peculiar" people. Vader's Vault seemed closer to universal acceptance.
But still, making it yourself is, well. It's part of the whole thing. And I like making shit. Mostly that.
>>46431580
Noice. Post it when your're done.
>>46431608
If he ever manages to get enough shit ins tock, I will. Maybe things calm down a bit in between movies, say, September or so.
>>46431285
I got a cheapo lightsaber from Ultrasabers. No sound, middle price hilt and regular AAA battery set up. I like it a lot, it's really bright, looks amazing on camera and lights up my room better than my desklamp. Pretty tough and nice looking to boot. Drains AAAs like crazy though.
I've heard bad stories about literally all of the custom lightsaber shops; every single one has a bunch of fervent detractors. Most of them look fine, these things aren't actually all that complex, I'd chock all the back and forth hate between the saberforge, ultrasabers etc. to autisms.
Do we know why Maul no longer has the Darksaber in his possession? I just checked and he most definitely had it at the end of SoD.
Yet he had a new double balded lightsaber in Rebels and no Darksaber in sight.
>>46432368
My money is on Palpatine taking it for his personal collection
>>46432368
20 years of being chased by Sheev and Vader and the Inquisitors probably.
Still pretty new to the game, but working on an Imperial list that looks like:
Soontir Fel (35) TIE Interceptor
Royal Guard TIE
Push the Limit
Stealth Device
Targeting computer
Omega Ace (25) TIE F/O
Outmaneuver
Weapons Guidance
Omega Squadron Pilot (20) TIE F/O
Veteran Instincts
Weapons Guidance
Omega Squadron Pilot (20) TIE F/O
Veteran Instincts
Weapons Guidance
I could have the TIE F/Os stay in formation, have Soontir Fel do what he do. Thoughts? I'm still learning for the most part, but I don't really play with people who soften their lists for new players.
>>46431450
>and really only because of her other books
No, the later parts of RepCom are part of the hate. Traviss gets really fucking preachy after Hard Contact and writes the Mandalorians as if they have any moral high ground to stand on (despite being a bunch of warmongering, genocidal dicks through much of their history). Linguistics majors will also find issue with her Mandalorian "language," apparently.
She also presents few opportunities for counter-argument from the other side of the issue--the Jedi. The comics you refer to were a mixed bag. Some Jedi were dicks, sure, but many others, like Anakin and Obi-Wan, were shown to be pretty nice to the clones. Traviss also acts as if the Jedi had a choice in leading a clone army. IIRC, a lot of the "evidence" for her arguments was even made up by her during the books.
Plus, she's generally a bit of an asshole. She refers to her critics as "Talifans" and allegedly claimed that she never read a Star Wars work that she didn't write.
>>46432368
>Do we know why Maul no longer has the Darksaber in his possession?
This sentence terrifies me
>>46432368
Maybe he just felt like using the double-saber. Or he could just be more comfortable using the double-saber as his workhorse.
Plus, isn't the Darksaber really old? It's possible that he could have simply shelved it because it's obsolete/worn out/maintenance-intensive/better off in a museum.
>>46433889
you obviously don't understand how magical items work, the older they are the more powerful they get.
>>46432406
Its a real gap in terms of 'what was Maul up to?' during the end of the mando encounter where Palps had 'plans' for him.
He no longer had the cybernetic chicken legs either
But yeah, fairly sure Palps would have nicked his shiny
>>46433918
Seeing as sabers already cut through most things with ease, any increase in "power" will be negligible at best. Not to mention the fact that breaking out the Darksaber in combat runs the risk of damaging or losing a priceless historical artifact.
>>46434147
>what are critical hits
>what is a to hit bonus
>what is bonus 'dark' damage
>>46433571
Don't forget her hilarious breakdown when TCW retconned a good half her stories.
>>46434218
Details?
>>46433889
I guess we will just have to wait for season 3. If we see more of Maul in it, maybe it will be explained.
>>46434295
fuck man your cognitive abilities are staggering.
>>46434289
Basically she was writing a series of "Imperial Commando" books at the time, only one of which actually got published, and then The Clone Wars cartoon came along and retconned most of the Mandolorian culture, making the main population into peace loving pacifists instead of tacticool genocide loving mercenaries. She promptly lost her shit and never really wrote anything for Star Wars again.
>>46434351
thanks senpai
>>46430426
I'm running an Edge of Empire game, and my resident (inefficient) power gamer wants to run a fallen Jedi sentinel.while we were talking about how ridiculous pathfinder is, he told me a story about how he went level 1 sorcerer, level 9 fighter level 10 dragon disciple and "killed a gold dragon in one hit"
So I'm not so worried about him breaking the game, but I do worry about the Story implications. He's the type of player to choose to be an imperial spy and blow up hoth.
I'm tempted to allow it. He wouldn't be a Jedi knight.
What force rating do you think I should max him out at? Two, keep it within the Edge of Empire limits, while allowing him to pick from the sentinel tree?
>>46434640
>>46434652
>>46434668
>>46434683
>>46434703
>>46434712
>>46434712
I like that one
>>46430763
You COULD change stealth device on vader for engine upgrade and demote lone wolf to VI or adaptability. then you could drop VI for AT. Just put on adaptability when you need the points. 9 is the cusp of ace movement, higher than that is just for countering soontir/poe/wedge.
I have nearly the same list and it works wonders. Not as good as dropping inky for the palp shuttle, but it still rocks.
100/100
>Soontir
Ptl, RGT, SD, AT
>Vader
Title, ATC, EU, Adaptability
>Inky
Ptl, title, AT
Or just a 4 TAP list works well, too.
So, I'm not new to X-Wing, I know how to build decent conbos between ships, the whole dodger-turret-jouster relationship, and I can semi-accurately predict moves, but is there any videos, guides, or just tips for being a better player out there? Especially for the missus, who just got.into it, but is grasping it well.
>>46434999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STpqDELA_MU
>>46434668
>>46434712
>>46434779
These ones in particular are pretty good,heretic.
Kreia was about to save the universe from certain misery and suffering before the exile callously and evily stopped her.
>>46435368
Kreia did nothing wrong.
>>46435426
I mean that's all she did
>>46435368
>>46435426
>>46435435
Avellone plz go and stay go.
I hate the force.
So now that this absolute madman is in the format, I've adjusted my Jedi deck a little bit.
Previously, it was:
Jedi Affiliation
2 x A Hero's Trial
2 x A Hero's Beginning
2 x The Survivors
2 x May the Force Be With You
1 x Mysteries of the Rim
1 x A Journey to Dagobah
The change I've made is -1 Journey to Dagobah, +1 Matter Under Mind. Although Brainiac is excellent, the fact is that I don't want to flop the objective if I can help it, Signal Scrambler runs directly counter to the strategy of MTFBWY, and Outwit is so situational it might as well be a dead card, so I'm only running the pod for Brainiac and his droids. Sounds like a one-of to me.
Thoughts? Is everyone overestimating Brainiac's upcoming effect on the meta? It feels like he's better in the splash than he is in mono-Jedi.
I have also adjusted my Navy deck to be:
2 x Deploy the Fleet
2 x Tarkin Doctrine
2 x Might of the Empire
2 x Enforced Loyalty
2 x Moon Blockade
The previous decklist was -2 Moon Blockade, +1 Death and Despayre, +1 Repair and Refurbish. While this does sacrifice the dial acceleration of Death and Despayre and the healing of Repair and Refurbish, I feel like the raw power of the new Executor's pod justifies the change.
>>46433151
Even with Vet instincts those and weapons guidance, those omega pilots aren't gonna do much.
Arc dodging, outside of really good aces with auto thrusters, means that turrets are going to rip you a new asshole.
It can still work butyou need target saturation and you are investing too many points on ships that will ultimately prove no more durable than a base ship and mean you actually lose # of potential attack dice per turn.
A good mini swarm with Soontir is possible and actually won a large European tournament recently.
Here is what it is and why it's good:
Soontir Fel (27) - The mand and the plan himself, action economy game ridiculous
Royalgaurd TIE (0)
Push the limit (3) - extra actions and stress make his dick harder, no negatives
Stealth Device (3) - played right you may never lose it on Fel
Auto thrusters (2)- mandatory on arc dodgers because turrets can fuck your shit
Obsidian squadron pilot x5 (65) - cheap, target saturation and avoids swarm killers like predator.
-you don't want upgrades when you can just take more ships
Total(100) - you may lose initiative but between Soontir and the chaff your going first or last anyway.
>>46434712
Knuckle guard, on a light saber...
Morons.
>>46434640
oh, is that thread still going?
>>46435917
seemed more like ornamentation than anything to me
>>46436320
>seemed more like ornamentation than anything to me
That's the purpose. It's flashy and showy to go along with its owner's personality, who prefers more form than fuction. Calling it a knuckle-guard is missing the point by a mile.
You can tell just from looking at it that it's meant more as an artsy lightsaber than one meant for serious combat.
>>46435807
Ok appreciate the info. What about taking 4 TIE F/Os vs the 5 regular TIEs? I could fit in 3 epsilon pilots and Omega Ace, all without upgrades and round it to 100.
>>46436486
Then again, a knuckle guard or basket hilt made of saber-resistant metal would be both functional and pretty.
thoughts on this A-Wing list?
Green squadron pilot (18)
Chardaan refit
Vet instincts
Green squadron pilot (18)
Chardaan refit
Vet instincts
Jake Farrell (30)
Proton rockets
Push the Limit
Tycho Celchu (34)
A-Wing test pilot
Push the Limit
Cluster missiles
Wired
Never played a full A-Wing list but have been wanting to try this.
I loves ma sabr
>>46436541
This. I'd love to see more lightsabers with this type of hilt.
Whenever I see a normal lightsaber I get anxious that at any moment the person holding it will have their hand slip up the activated blade.
>>46436765
Or, alternatively:
3x Prototype pilot (45)
Chardaan refit
Prototype pilot (21)
Cluster missiles
Tycho Celchu (34)
A-Wing test pilot
Push the Limit
Wired
Cluster missiles
I hear autothrusters are the hotness but I don't have any at the moment.
Still holding out for a kind anon to post Obligation/Motivation charts and the signature abilities from Special Mods.
So apparently what I mean by "10 am" after a late night is 1 pm.
Anyway, time for the, dahdahdahDAH, PAIN TRAIN!
>STAR WARS: FATE OF THE JEDI: RETRIBUTION
>By DhuryamDhuryam
>Post CRUCIBLE: Part 1 of my FOTJ continuation. 54 ABY: Darth Plagueis has returned to continue the Grand Plan. And he has a new ally: Abeloth. Allana Solo's world is shattered as tragedy hits Hapes. And after months of disappearances Clone Wars era droidships return to wreak havoc.
Okay, so first off we have the actors who will help us lay our scene. Abeloth, Allana Solo, Ben Skywalker, Darth Plagueis, Dif Scaur, Han Solo, Jaina Solo Fel, Leia Organa Solo, Luke Skywalker, Nek Bwua'tu, Seff Hellin, Tahiri Veila, Thrace Solusar (who is a Chiss???), and Vestara Khai.
There is an author's note that says that THE RETURN OF DARTH PLAGUEIS (all caps, just like that) explains how he returned but we don't give a shit about that today.
>46 ABY: Korriban
>The ceiling of the dome-shaped room was slowly irising closed as Sith Saber Vestara khai, her lightersaber drawn and humming, nervously waited for the Sith Meditation Sphere's boarding ramp to lower.
Heh, lightersaber. It weighs less than your average ancient weapon.
>As they were fleeing from Qoribu, after yet another failed attempt to kill the future Jedi Queen Allana Solo, Ship had suddenly announced that he and Vestara were to head to Korriban immediately. That his master was calling to the Sith Meditation Sphere.
>Vestara had been horrified. Abeloth.
>No, silly girl, Ship had responded. The dark man.
>Vestara could have almost collapsed in relief.
>Movement in one of the doorways suddenly caught her eye. And standing silently there, invisible in the Force, was a figure in a dark robe. Vestara's blood immediately went cold, and hot at the same time. the dark man.
Oh hey, there's blood on my shirt, where'd that come from? Why is my nose bleeding?
>>46436899
>tfw you will never see a guy half-sword a lightsaber using cortosis gauntlets
>>46433846
Wrong Darksaber.
>>46436899
RIP Ezra's Stun blaster Saber. I don't care what people though, the idea of a lightsaber with a stun blaster in it was pretty cool, especially how Kanan put it to use.
Wonder what he'll build to replace it. Maybe he'll get inspired by the Kylo-style Crossguard Lightsabers he saw in the ashen battlefield.
>>46437230
Why are you in every thread? Your fan fiction is trash go post it on your personal blog you kook
>>46437230
>Suddenly able to sense him-it felt like a him-in the Force, Vestara reached out. And tried to suppress a shudder. This dark man did not seem to be alive. Nor did he seem to be dead, either. Undead, then?
>While he did not seem nearly as powerful in the dark side as Abeloth, this dark man seemed to be far more in control of himself. Which could make him a far more dangerous enemy.
>"But a very powerful ally, Vestara Khai, Sith Saber of Kesh," said a low, rich voice with a peculiar antiquated quality to it, the owner of which had seemingly read her mind. "I am Darth Plagueis." Vestara felt as though she was in a trance as this dark man, walked slowly toward her. The Sith Saber's eyes were locked on Darth Plagueis as he pulled back his hood. Revealing... darkness.
Ah shit, it's Anubis.
>She had never imagined that the dark man would be so... literal. Perhaps it was so that there could be no doubt as to his identity. This Darth Plagueis then was the one who was destined to battle the Jedi Queen ALLAna Solo for the Throne of Balance. Could the dark man do it? Could he kill the Queen? Or at least orchestrate her death?
Will Batman and Robin escape their perilous doom?! Tune in next time, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel!
>And then the Sith could take control of the Throne of Balance. It could mean the end of millennia of war between Sith and Jedi. Peace. Finally.
... I am decidedly certain that's not how that works. Like, the evil people taking control of the doodad of thingy or the whatsit of destiny tends to only exacerbate the fighting.
Also, what the shit is the "Throne of Balance"? This is so ridiculous that I may cut this Pain Train short. Might have to do a chapter per thread or something because this is just so *dumb*.
54 ABY
Blah blah blah Han and Leia on Falcon after dropping the grandkid off with mom back on Hapes but Leia has a feeling and says they gotta turn around.
>>46437405
I love you too, Anonymous.
>>46437405
>Your fan fiction is trash
That's intentional. He finds the shittiest Star Wars fics and we all cringe together.
I'm still waiting on the fabled original Karen Traviss Mandalorian Fettfic.
>>46437481
Oh. Carry on then.
>>46437405
he's REVIEWING other people's shitty fanfic you triple nigger
>>46437454
Meanwhile on Hapes, Tenel Ka thinks on how the Men's Rights Activists (sorry, "Hapan Freedom Federation") which fights for equal rights of men has become terrorists. Then actual terrorists show up.
>Tenel Ka ducked down and created a field of defensive Force energy less than a second before one of the walls exploded inward. Alarms wailed to life, not just over the loudspeakers, but also in her mind, as the room filled with dust. As she stood up and brought her lightsaber to a guard position, two crimson shafts of light appeared through the haze.
Then someone special shows up:
>Vestara Khai. The same piece of Sith garbage that had tried to murder Allana. On multiple occasions. And she'd succeeded in murdering so many others.
And she succeeds here too.
>Vestara slammed her red blade down on Tenel Ka's green blade. She brought her other blade toward the Queen Mother's waist. The Sith Saber felt Tenel Ka's anguish in the Force as a horrible scream escaped her.
Then Han and Leia show up, finding Allana cradling the upper half of her mom's torso. Han ponders angrily how the writers are stealing this good thing he's got going bit by bit.
>Han squatted down on the floor beside his granddaughter. HE gently stroked Tenel Ka's cheek. Her skin felt strangely insubstantial. Tenel Ka's face had paled to the point where Han could now see through her, to the carpeted floor below.
>And then Tenel Ka was gone. The sheet remained up a split second, as though it, too, struggled to accept that she was gone.
Then they go to Shedu Maad and Luke contemplates how his son is probably going to murderize his crush.
>>46437665
Oh, and that Chiss kid shows up or something.
>Thrace Solusar saw Allana walk into the Jedi Academy's hangar bay as he jumped out of his X-Wing Interceptor, or X-ceptor. He'd heard what had happened to her mother Tenel Ka a few hours before he and his mentor Seff hellin had gone off on a surveillance run. The CHISS Jedi had met Allana's mother on several occasions. He couldn't believe Tenel Ka was actually dead.Technically, she never existed, heyooooooo
>Oh, and that Chiss kid shows up or something.
>Thrace Solusar saw Allana walk into the Jedi Academy's hangar bay as he jumped out of his X-Wing Interceptor, or X-ceptor. He'd heard what had happened to her mother Tenel Ka a few hours before he and his mentor Seff hellin had gone off on a surveillance run. The CHISS Jedi had met Allana's mother on several occasions. He couldn't believe Tenel Ka was actually dead.
>The Chiss Jedi had some idea of what his friend was going through. He knew the pain, fear, and anger Allana must have experienced at the sight of her mother's dead body. The realization that the one who had given her life was dead and was never coming back. This day would have certainly been the worst day of her life.
>Thrace's earliest memory had been of his mother lying on the floor, dead. With a gaping hole through her chest. Thrace had been just a small child at the time, but he had known that she was never coming back. That she was gone. Forever. he'd had no idea who had killed her at the time, but the evidence that had been collected had suggested that his father had done it. and so Thrace despised his father.
>Luke Skywalker and his son Ben had found him a few hours later and had brought him to the Millennium Falcon. And it was there, on the worst day of his life, that he met allana. She had consoled and made him feel safe. Thrace had come to see her as an older sister.
>>46437454
>what the shit is the "Throne of Balance"?
Fate of the Jedi was really, REALLY fucking stupid, qa.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Throne_of_Balance
>>46437808
>Thrace had later been brought to the JEdi Academy on Shedu Maad, where he had been taken in by Kam and Tionne Solusar. They had raised him as their own, and hadn't cared that his skin was blue.
>"Hi, THrace," Allana said, her voice sounding like sandpaper, as he hugged her. Like him, her father had become a monster. Her father Jacen Solo had fallen to the dark side and become the Sith Lord Darth Caedus. He had responsible for the murder of Ben's mother Mara Jade. Jacen's own sister Jaina had been forced to kill him. As far as Thrace was concerned-as awful as it sounded-he hoped someone had killed his father.
>"Hi, Button," Thrace said, using the call sign he'd come up with for her, almost eliciting a smile. "I can't tell you how sorry i am about... what happened."
>"Thanks," Allana mumbled, barely able to speak through her grief. The lump in her throat that felt like a large pill that refused to be swallowed.
>DARK NEST IV: SLAVE NEST (not yet available) will better explain how Thrace and allana met, and how Vestara had wound up on Qoribu.
And that's the end of the chapter, and consequently the stop for the Pain Train for now. God this shit is dumb.
>>46437849
I.... what. No. No. I'm glad it's not official anymore. (Though 'official' is an ugly word in cases where ownership changes hands)
>>46437849
And here I thought I'd forgotten how utterly retarded the post-Vong EU was. Looks like I need another drink.
>>46434622
I wouldn't worry about it, to be honest. Any investment in the Force is an investment he's not making in skills, and without skill ranks he can't do much of anything.
Also, any overt Force use, good or evil, will attract Imperial attention he probably doesn't want.
>>46437849
I fail to see anything wrong with this.
You guys are acting like this is the death of Star Wars instead of maRey sue.
>>46438354
This. Old canon had terrible shit like the Vong and everything following it, but before that it was pretty decent quality overall.
Nucanon has just thrown it out and replaced it with 100% terrible shit with no nuggets of goodness to find.
>>46438467
Nucanon has less stupid... But also less cool... We'll see what cool stuff they add... Less stupid is an ok compromise imo...
>>46437359
Making a saber that looks like a staple gun is a really good idea
hiding in plain sight and all that
>>46438631
>he doesn't know about stupid awesome
Look man, if I can't have a fucking murder-Hutt with robot arms and a hover-suit or a badass Rebel commando forcefeeding super droid stormtroopers missiles until they blow up, nucanon can fuck off.
Also
>less stupid
>what is Ginger Nazi
>what is Teh Rey
>>46438707
I said it has plenty of stupid but less than old EU/Legends... Like now we have a cyborg fish face, the entire OT crew using lightsabers and the Death Star III...
>>46438631
>Less stupid is an ok compromise
I refuse to accept a universe that lacks Jaxon, Skippy, Kettch, and our lord and savior, Trioculus.
>>46438806
You know, I find it kinda funny that people are mocking 'They made another bigass battle station' when there is like...six or such of them in old EU.
>>46438707
>can't have a fucking murder-Hutt with robot arms
But you can!
>>46438849
decanonization removed their capacity to feel human
>>46438852
>robot legs
>not robot arms
Get it right brahGrakkus is literally the best part about nucanon so far, I ended up basing my current character's look on his
>>46438849
Which is the reason why people mock it
They really couldn't make something new for a movie?
>>46438849
>>46438872
I think it's just because unlike them, Starkiller Base makes zero fucking sense from even a soft-science space opera perspective
>>46438849
True... I forgot "Planet blowy-uppy guns" were like Dragon Ball Z villains at one point...
>>46438849
It's less about the superweapon and more about the design, really. There was variety beyond "sphere with big gun."
>Star Forge
>Galaxy Gun (a big gun without the sphere)
>The Tarkin
>Missile Boat
>Various flavors of Super Star Destroyer
>Centerpoint Station
>Wedge's X-wing
Nucanon in general has been sorely lacking in fun starship designs.
>>46438940
Don't forget those Tarkin-class world-eater machines.
Or is that The Tarkin you mentioned?
>>46439127
The World Devastators? Those were fucking cool too.
>"Pass on what you have learned."
>Yoda's Dying Words, ROTJ
>EU Luke, post ROTJ
>Establishes a New Jedi Order, Grandmaster Skywalker motherfucker
>Searches the galaxy for Force-sensitives
>Saves the galaxy several more times
>Goes on countless adventures
>Could take down AT-ATs with the Force
>Fought the lava dragon from Ocarina of Time
>Went on to see his sister and her children become Jedi
>The broest of bros with Kyle Katarn
>Married to the best redheaded Star Wars waifu
>Said that Jedi could fuck, it was all cool
>Had goals, motivated, never gave up
>A font of wisdom, knowledge, leadership
>The hero the galaxy deserves
>Canon Luke, post ROTJ
>Eh
>Not much, really
>Had a school, not anymore
>Not even hanging out with R2-D2
>Leia's not even a Jedi
>Wasted his entire adult life
>Every single person he ever trained ended up fucking dead
>Gave up at the fucking zero second after it
>Fucked off to piss off a cliff all day
>Basically a huge letdown to the legacy of Obi-Wan, Yoda, his father and the Jedi
Thanks, JJ.
Thanks, Disney.
>>46439281
You forgot that his nephew is a sith puppet manchild.
>>46439493
That happened both times.
>>46439493
>Legends Ben
>huge bro
>chill dude
>son to be proud of
>might continue Skywalker legacy of redemption through dick
>Nucanon Ben
>lil bitch
>traitor
>loses saber fights to untrained nerds
rip the skywalker legacy
>>46439281
>comparing a mountain of books and whatever else the EU has to a single movie
>2016
I seriously hope you guys don't do this
Has anyone used the CorSec template holder?
I'm thinking of picking one up, but I have a set of nice acrylic templates and I'm worried about them getting scratched to hell by using it.
>>46439617
>rip the skywalker legacy
to be fair the film ends with Snoke talking about having to finish Kylo's training.
So having a scar, additional training and a bad attitude is gonna make him a bad enough dude to be a force to be reconned with.
>>46439623
>a single movie with a massive budget and hype machine, all run by a company with the resources and influence to hire any crew it wanted and shape the plot any way it wanted
WOOO, shitpost party!
X-Wing Starfighters of Adumar is overrated.
>>46439792
>expecting a complete story out of the first movie of a planned trilogy.
$100 says you'll get your precious NJO by the time EpIX is over.
>>46439894
Nobody expected a complete story out of Heir to the Empire, either, and Zahn's Luke still managed to be cooler than TFA Luke.
Anyone got the crafting rules scanned from Special Modifications? I want to make some god damned mines that shock people while setting them on fire.
>>46440154
In the OP pastebins. Has all the charts.
>>46439894
>.gif
Please stop.
so. brawn 6 gank with cybertech specialization could now get up to 15 cybernetics. neet.
>>46440471
get me a webm of the scene and I'll gladly swap over, I dug it up via GIS after my brain decided to give me that filename
>>46439894
Not gonna be the same. Especially if they kill Luke off before he has the chance to make it come about. I'm mostly peeved about it because it seems like a missed opportunity to do something new rather than just copy the OT power dynamic again, just like what they did to the New Republic.
>>46439281
And let's not forget what happened to Han and Leia:
>Both become integral leaders of the New Republic
>Leia manages to maneuver her way through the senate and keep the Republic together despite the attempts of her opponents
>Han becomes a general and leads the Republic to victory in several battles
>Raise twins and a son to become potentially some of the greatest Jedi in the new order.
VS.
>Leia gets booted out of the senate because she's Vader daughter and apparently everyone in the New Republic became mentally handicapped after Endor
>Her and han fail utterly at raising just one kid
>Han becomes a smuggler again because fuck character development
>The republic she fought so hard to establish gets destroyed by a bunch of zealots led by a gangly ginger and a bunch of teenagers.
>>46440909
>tfw a teenager destroyed the death star
>>46440909
Liea was booted out because she wanted to keep fighting the war after a decisive victory at Jakku. The other higher ups wanted the war to be over, and go on to building an actual nation and restore peace.
>>46441081
>lifebleeder
Jesus there is no good point to grip that
>>46441044
I miss the days when the New Republic was competent enough to juggle nation-building and warring at the same time. When the Alderaanian of all people wants to keep fighting, that should be taken as a signal that the threat isn't gone.
>>46441023
At least he was surrounded by veterans and guys taht looked like they were part of an actual military.
The average age of the First Order looked like it was about 20. Note that this actually isn't a bad idea to me. The idea that the First Order is being led by a bunch of psychotics who believe absolutely in Imperial propaganda and are all chomping at the bit to remove the Republic could be cool.
>>46441170
That's not competence, that's writer fiat. If the new canon says that the New Republic couldn't afford to press the war *and* rebuild its shattered worlds at the same time, then how do you know better?
>>46434640
>>46434652
>>46434668
>>46434683
>>46434703
>>46434712
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>>46434779
What's being used to create these?
>>46435368
>>46435426
The Kreia thing has been debunked multiple times already. Could we just cap the explanation for future use?
>>46442272
Another denier. I bet you think the Emperor wasn't attacked by the Jedi either. God damn rebels.
>>46435917
A) Lightsabers are reflections of their wielders personality.
B) Because we've never seen a lightsaber lock-up get broken by an arm twist into hilt-punch. Oh wait we have, several times.
>>46441146
I think its supposed to be blades but got changed? Would make sense for a sith to have a hilt that hurt them as they gripped it.
>>46442170
Someone post that alternate Episode VII plot.
>>46442233
You could probably do it in GIMP no problem.
>>46440909
>Tfw their eldest son becomes a literal sith lord in the old EU, their youngest son dies, and really only Jaina stays good
It's really not that incredibly different, just replace "Jaina" with "Rey".
Besides, Luke in the NJO was more or less responsible for those kids at the Yavin 4 boarding academy for gifted youngsters.
Those organa's just can't have nice things.
Why has nucanon completely forgotten the force sensitive Leia plot from ROTJ?
>>46443075
Except Jaina was actually an interesting character.Who became Empress and founded the Fel Dynasty that shows up in Legacy.
>>46443295
What exactly do you mean, anon? They show Leia is Force Sensitive (though untrained) in TFW. She senses whenHan diesand in the novelization (and possibly a deleted scene? dunno) she passes out when the Starkiller blows up the Hosnian system.
>>46443417
She isn't even considered a Jedi by the time of TFA.
Thoughts on my list?
Jumpmaster 5k: Tel Trevura, Deadeye, Proton Torpedoes, Extra Munitions, Gonk, Overclocked R4, Feedback Array, Punishing One, Guidance Chips.
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94/100 Pts.
>>46443490
She decided not to be trained.
>>46444127
Why am I not surprised?
>>46443295
It hasn't. We see her get a vision of Maul in the hangar on Naboo in Shattered Empire.
>>46444149
It's not like she really trained to be a Jedi in Legends either, anon. Not until much later in the timeline.
>>46443302
>interesting character
[citation needed]
>>46434442
Please tell me said shit-losing was archived somewhere.
>>46445361
It was - all over her own website and the old official Star Wars website's forums.
Most of it has since been deleted (the stuff on her own site for obvious reasons, the stuff on the official forums due to changes in site design). I've tried to find archives but I haven't been successful yet beyond a screenshot or two which I lost a while ago.
>>46443295
She was never super interested in learning the force.
Or rather, she was much too busy being Secretary of State. I imagine she really only had he time for rudimentary "this is how you deflect a blaster bolt, this is how you feel out other people, this is how you push someone over" training, like where Luke was in Empire Strikes Back.
>>46445361
On Wikipedia it just says she left due to "creative differences)
>>46443295
You really want to try and make Tiny (Former) Coke Addict spin around like Yoda
>>46433571
>She refers to her critics as "Talifans"
What's wrong with Tali?
>>46445780
That's what every rock band says whenever they kick out their coked-out flake of a drummer.
>>46430426I actually like that lightsaber
>>46433571
Well, I feel like I should point out that the writer being a retard has nothing to do with the quality book - if the book is good, it can stand on its own. Hating the author shouldn't really influence opinion on the work itself (assuming its good)
>>46445954
Mechanically, it's very shitty. Can't even be used underwater.
>>46444579
Young Jedi Knights
>>46446234
The post did comment on quality. The text gets incredibly preachy which detracts from the pacing and action, said preaching is incredibly one-sided and fallacious, and it blatantly ignores large amounts of then-canon purely to wank to Mandalorians.
>>46446300
Thats hardly an issue if you like Mandalorians.
I'm fairly certain a sith perspective book is one sided and preachy about why the sith are awesome and jedi are shitbags
>>46430426
How do I best make use of the ghost and phantom without being too cheesy?
>>46445943
Yep, especially one who only plays music they themselves wrote and doesn't give a shit that the band is punk rock when he is trying to emulate hair metal
>>46446348
The Drarth Vader book really wasn't, in fact it really showed that he was uncomfortable, ruthless, and an absolute fucker to everyone as a result of it.
The Darth bane book mostly was, if I recall, a lot of "so what now", and the Darth Cadeus series was a lot of Jacen being an absolute fucktard who took advantage of people and straight up murdered.
>>46446629
>Darth Cadeus series was a lot of Jacen being an absolute fucktard
I read half that series. I didn't really understand Jacen's reason for going full darkside. I just chocked it up to the idea that hes suffering sever ptsd from the vong war and that his brother died - from what I gathered, Anakin really was the best of the Solo kids and probably would have been the person to usher in a better age.
>>46444149
Probably because she decided the same thing in Legends?
>>46446355
I've been making use of Tactician and FCS. Stick it with a couple of cheap A-Wings for some extra red and to flank.
>>46446806
According to what happened later, Jacen turning Dark Side was in order to stop some Mortis prophecy having to do with the Throne of Balance.
>>46446806
The following series (while having it's own problems) rectons/clarifies the issue a little by saying that on his big long spirit journey before Legacy, Jacen saw some dark shit going on in the future he was trying to mess with and he kind of succeeded (by being a bastard). That, and he also spent a lot of time studying esoteric force traditions so sure, he can study some Sith stuff, it's just learning right? He can totally keep it under control.
And that kids, is why you never stick your dick in the Dark Side, because it is a deep dark hole you will fall into and get lost in very easily.
>>46446348
>Thats hardly an issue if you like Mandalorians.
For many people who loved the image built up by KOTOR, the old Marvel comics, and all the old Boba Fett stories, yeah, it's a pretty big issue.
>>46447059
In what way? None of it was negative.
The KotOR image is basically the TotJ image, just with much more detail.
The old Marvel comics were basically "we want boba fett, but a good guy" and thus Fenn Shysa was born (hes literally boba fett in everything but personality - armor, ship, everything is the same)
The real big ones are Open Seasons, which RepComm doesn't change or retcon at all.
TCW was much more critical of mandalorians then Traviss, and specifically did a lot to retcon much of the old lore - before Rebels, TCW had retconned out everything that wasn't KotOR, including Open Seasons.
The worst part of the Traviss lore is that its skub. Because Traviss is skub, and people tend to confuse the two
>>46447175
The Mandalorians outside of Traviss' stuff are nowhere near as holier-than-thou as Team Skirata. KOTOR and TotJ Mandalorians were walking heavy metal album covers. They reveled in being warmongering assholes and made no bones about the fact that "war crime" wasn't in their vocabulary.
Many other media portray Mandalorians as mercenaries, assassins, bounty hunters, etc. Lots of Boba Fett stuff read like an old Western.
Traviss' problem is that she writes as if the Mandalorians are a squeaky-clean, do-no-wrong proud warrior race who have the moral high ground over the Jedi because of the Clone army and the Clone Wars. They're overly idealized and her main characters barely have any plot-relevant flaws. Then there's the fact that for some reason, Mandalorians now hate Jedi when in the past, most Mandalorians just enjoyed the challenge of fighting Jedi because they were that damn good. Simply put, Traviss sucked all the fun out of Mandalorians.
>TCW
I never said I liked or disliked TCW's changes, and I haven't seen enough TCW material to judge how much of their stuff makes sense or how well Filoni's team explained those changes.
On a side note, I also dislike the fact that Delta Squad hardly got any page time.
>>46437903
>DARK NEST IV: SLAVE NEST (not yet available)
Jesus does this guy just want to resurrect every shitty series at once?
>>46435426
>>46435435
>>46435503
Honestly, I hated Kreia when I first played Kotor2 years ago, but I actually understood a lot more of what she was getting at after playing the game (with restoration mod) again a few months back.
Don't get me wrong, she was indeed a manipulative, petty, sociopath, but she wasn't really wrong about force users (at least in the old canon, haven't kept up with the new). They were pawns of some unseen force that regularly plunged the galaxy into conflict for no discernible reason and nobody was really gonna get anywhere until you start seeing the force as a tool to be used or abandoned at will rather than a god whose will one had to follow. If you didn't, the Jedi would just be Jedi and the Sith still Sith, and the cycle of Dark vs Light conflict would continue. Basically she resented the concept of a Destiny that controlled people's lives (or rather, her's, considering how often she manipulated people)
Still, even without the Dark vs Light bit, there would always be conflict, and that's why she was always going on about that Machiavellian stuff she was. Again, she was a loony sociopath, but she was accurate in her comments on psychological manipulation, realpolitik, and the like.
Avellone got overly edgy, yeah. Still, I enjoy how developed Kreia's character was, and she did see rather clearly (in a fucked up way) how shit played out in the SW galaxy.
>>46447511
>she writes as if the Mandalorians are a squeaky-clean, do-no-wrong proud warrior race who have the moral high ground over the Jedi because of the Clone army and the Clone Wars.
You really expect that Skirata is gonna be pro-jedi? It's expected that the words out of his mouth are going to be "pro-mando, anti-jedi"
As for the not-1st-person pro-stance, from a perspective the jedi were hypocritical in how they prosecuted the clone wars. they didnt bother to ask where a clone army came from, and a portion of the jedi didn't even acknowledge that clones were even people. and even the ones that did treat the clones in a good way, still capitulated to being inept military commanders getting clones killed by the thousands without so much as a "the cost in life weighs heavy on my soul - are we really doing the right thing?"
C'mon man, the Clone Wars was a dark side plot, and even Yoda admits that the Jedi Order were both fooled by it, and had fallen to it by the end (citation: rebels, specifically yoda's talk with ezra).
Also, keep in mind, were looking at four thousand (or canon one thousand) years of difference between the viking mando's of the KotOR era, and the "squeaky clean" mandos of the traviss era - which in all fairness bruh, traviss wasn't the first to write them "squaeky clean" - that was in Open Seasons
>mandalorians now hate Jedi
Battle of Galidraan. Did you NOT read Open Seasons?
And even if you take Canon into account, the fact that the Republic and Jedi nuked Mandalore into a radioactive ball might have something to do with all the jedi hate
>finally getting around to watching the finale of rebels
>Inquisitor dude uses a spinsaber to fucking HELICOPTER AROUND
You've gone too far this time Filoni!!
>>46447610
People always overblow how edgy KOTOR II is. Remember that Kreia considers the Exile a complete failure if they go dark side (because they're just like Sion and Nihilus), but a total success if they go light side (because they're a better person than the Jedi ever were). KOTOR II praises you for sticking to the good path because of all the reasons why morality isn't so clean cut, in fact anyone playing a light sider in the face of all the challenges and doubts to the true effectiveness of being a good person is retroactively reaffirming of the light side vs. dark side axis.
>they go to Malachor in Rebels
>thank god they retconned the shitfest that was KOTOR II and the planet is still intact
>zero mention of Revan, just a stupid fucking nucanon lightsaber
Fuck this show, fuck the people making it, and fuck everyone who likes this garbage
>>46447757
>a portion of the jedi didn't even acknowledge that clones were even people. and even the ones that did treat the clones in a good way, still capitulated to being inept military commanders getting clones killed by the thousands without so much as a "the cost in life weighs heavy on my soul - are we really doing the right thing?"
That was all Traviss. The ROTS novelization goes into how the war has taken a toll on the Jedi and how many of them feel awful about it.
>>46447875
I remember this one sidequest on Nar Shaddaa where you can reunite this long-separated refugee couple, the wife thinking the husband was dead while the husband was currently plotting how to search for his wife with thugs locking down the refugee sector.
If you reunited the couple the husband is of course greatful, but feels like kind of a shit because at the end of journey he choked and wasn't able to find the wife himself. You could then either play up the whole "it was no problem" hero complex bit, and Kreia would bitch.
Thing is, if you reminded the guy that it was only him getting as far as he did on his own that made it possible, he perks up and Kreia actually compliments you for turning his doubt into motivation to continue to be proactive and shit in his life. She even has a "no, seriously, I honestly mean that" if you accuse her of snarking at you.
>>46447973
>Likes Revan
>Shit talks the game that brought forth the idea Revan was his own man who used both the Dark and Light sides to his own ends, changing a generic rpg plot-twist into one of the old canon's most memorable and beloved characters.
You're entitled to your opinion, but seriously?
>>46448002
>goes into how the war has taken a toll on the Jedi and how many of them feel awful about it
Well thats cool, im going mostly off TCW in this case - you don't see every Jedi, and they make a point of making you notice it when Jedi are specifically cruel to clones.
You still have massive amounts of clone death with little to no comment about it at all - it actually becomes a major plot point that "we;ve lost a lot of clones - we need to buy more!" - in fact, even named clone characters are only ever mourned by their fellow clones - most jedi don't even notice - even the nice jedi like Anakin and Obi Wan.
As for the end of the war, I imagine there was a lot of weariness - I;d be interested if they made it a point about "all the innocent lives lost" or "all the lives lost period"
Lets not forget, there was an episode of TCW where the CIS sold five hundred thousand togruta into slavery, and at the end, only 20 survived
>>46448073
>greatful
Bleh, grateful. The fuck brain?
>>46447757
>clones not even people
>and even the ones that did treat the clones in a good way, still capitulated to being inept military commanders getting clones killed by the thousands without so much as a "the cost in life weighs heavy on my soul - are we really doing the right thing?"
There's a lot of inconsistency there. The vast majority of Jedi commanders in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars were highly competent, while Anakin and Obi-Wan were generally portrayed as very good at their jobs and very much concerned for their clones. Plus, the Jedi didn't exactly have a choice. They were tricked and forced into fighting the Clone Wars to defend the Republic. Since the Republic in their eyes represented the majority of the galaxy, they sided with the Republic. Needs of the many.
That's not to say the prequel OJO are above reproach. They're overly dogmatic idiots. But their hearts were mostly in the right place. The majority of Clone-era media considers Jedi who hate clones to be an unsympathetic minority rather than the majority.
>getting clones killed by the thousands
It's a galactic-scale war. Lots of people are going to die, and nothing will change that. And since the prequel OJO had gone full Vulcan, most Jedi won't be moping in their tents. Anakin, Obi-Wan, and many others felt like shit but they still had a war to fight.
>Open Seasons
It's been a while since I have, so I don't remember much. I concede that point. But again, look at Canderous. He harbored no lasting resentment for Revan because he got one of the best fights of his life out of it all.
I do expect Skirata to be pro-Mando and anti-Jedi, but the way he was written is poor. Compare the way he sounds to someone like Canderous. Skirata sounds like a self-righteous Berkeley student. At least Canderous left the moral high ground bullshit to the Jedi. His Mandalorian superiority complex comes from their lack of rules of engagement and their love of war for war's sake.
>>46447973
Just like TCW would have done
>>46448079
I remember the comics going into how terrible the war was and how it was awful for the Republic. TCW barely touches on that stuff.
>>46448079
The episode where they retake Geonosis was pretty glaring about this. Clones are dying in droves and the main characters are making jokes about kill counts. It's like Clones are going through WW1 and the Jedi are Vietnam helicopter pilots.
>>46448117
>The vast majority of Jedi commanders in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars were highly competent
Not him, but to be fair, of course the Jedi were gonna be competent badasses in a series created by the dude who did Samurai Jack. Original Clone Wars was a glorious series of action sequences, not a proper series that spent time developing plotlines and characters.
Lightsabers??
>>46448186
That had no right to make me laugh like I did.
>>46448117
>And since the prequel OJO had gone full Vulcan, most Jedi won't be moping in their tents.
Right there, thats what Skirata has a problem with, bingo.
If you take responsibility for a thousand soldiers, and they all die, and your so emotionally detached that you don't mope about it, then by his opinion, your a gigantic piece of hypocrite shit. From his perspective, if Jedi care so much about life, yet order lives away and remain emotionally ok, then caring about life must obviously be a lie
But that was Skirata's flaw - he was an old tired drunk whose family divorced him, and now he alternates between trying to be a father to literally every clone he can, and getting drunk and calling them all wetdroid cannon-fodder while he cries himself to sleep
In short, Skirata was was basically unstable and unhinged, and always had been since the series started. He's a model of what happens when your in this life too long.
>>46448227
>He's a model of what happens when your in this life too long.
Well, that got dark.
>>46448227
The Jedi aren't emotionally detached, they just usually know when it's time to let go. The Geo arc in TCW covers both sides to this and they end up both correct in the end anyway.
>>46448188
>of course the Jedi were gonna be competent badasses
Well, except for Shaggy.
>>46448227
>From his perspective, if Jedi care so much about life, yet order lives away and remain emotionally ok, then caring about life must obviously be a lie
Which is screwy because the Mandalorians themselves sent countless numbers of their own to die in the Old Republic era. Plus, the Jedi weren't emotionally okay. Not by a long shot. They just happened to be disciplined enough to get back to the job, because if they let their emotions cloud their judgment, they lose even more people. And if the Jedi and clones don't fight at all, even more people die.
But Traviss doesn't bring up counterarguments. The prose and diction all point to Skirata being in the right, no questions asked.
Playing in an Imperial Assault Return to Hoth campaign soon enough. Which hero should I play? And are there any team comp combos that are especially good?
>>46448318
>they just usually know when it's time to let go
Depends on the perspective. War is supposed to be awful and touch you emotionally.
But this is star wars, so overall, its supposed to be heroic.
This is the interesting aspect with RepComm - it's not written from a perspective of noblebright heroism - its written from a gritty real war standpoint, and touches on things like warcrimes and PTSD. If anything, I can understand why people don't like it for that reason, because it is very different from mainline star wars (but then again, so was the RepComm game)
TCW was a kids show, and its presented from the heroic perspective. But the problem with that is that the clone wars was supposed to be awful for everyone involved - the biggest complaint I have with TCW is that it sugarcoats a lot - but it still has some gritty parts
>flamethrowers on geonosians
>>46448303
I meant, specifically, the mercenary\soldier life. Normally, a soldier doesn't fight for his entire life, and even a Mercenary has the option of downtime between wars. Skirata has been fighting wars a lot longer then most folk.
Regardless, his counterpart - Walon Vau - is different in interesting ways. For instance, the guy loves his pet mando-dog, but treats clones like shit specifically to harden them up - he even ran pit-fights during commando training. He's cultured, but creepy, and emotionally stable, despite fighting for at least as long as Skirata
>>46448389
The counter-arguments should have been provided by the three Jedi - in this case, Bardan Jusik, Etain, and Arligan Zey.
Jusik went full on mando weaboo
Arligan Zey never bothered to pontificate on Jedi issues because he was never around
And Etain, well...Etain was a rather tragic case, and I'm not even talking about the romance. Specifically that she was a fairly gentle person that, had a war not happened, probably would have ended up in the AgriCorps or MediCorps
>>46448389
>Well, except for Shaggy.
Scoob warned him about the dangers of going into action films, but he wanted out from under Fred's shadow too much.
>But Traviss doesn't bring up counterarguments
Skirata doesn't really seem like the history-buff type, and kotor was a long time agoin a galaxy far, far away. I'm not sure he'd really care. For most Mandos their history would probably matter to them as far as "X killed impressive thing Y" stories to teller eachother.
That, and perspectives vary even within the same group. Vau and Deathwatch are both big examples of that.
>>46448481
>I meant, specifically, the mercenary\soldier life
Oh, that makes sense. Sorry. I'm an insomniac and I get existentialist without enough sleep.
>>46430426
So how do you guys come up with your character names?
First time being a player in FaD and am completely stumped name wise.
>>46448584
Go find an Indian name and modify it slightly.
Examples: Ar Juna, Var Una, Par Vati, etc.
>>46436507
The F/Os are honestly not worth it 90% of the time.
You gain a net of 1 extra hp in the trade and lose an entire 2 attack dice.
Also there is a inherent value in having more ships over durability (other than damage) that isn't usually apparent to new players and that's target saturation. It takes a whole round of, at minimum, one ship shooting to kill a TIE fighter. F/Os advantage is hinged on whether or not they can meet the same minimum as a regular TIE, but in the odd chance that the TIE survives more rounds or the F/O gets blown up to quickly, the potential and points spent on the ship get worse while the minimum stays the same. Meaning that things only go worse if they go wrong versus, only get more value the more they go well.
Omega Ace isn't worth the points unless you have a way to insure it reliably haves both conditions to use it's pilot ability every turn. (without PTL you can't and if you take PTL you cant take VI, so have a shit PS so you still can't).
>>46448584
I just pick stuff that sounds nice to me, usually monosyllable, easy on the mouth.
If I want a more complex thing I just google "name meaning x" and some weird arabic or mongolian shit that I like will pop up.
>>46448584
Literally the first thing that comes to mind.
Kostok Varr. Mordun Turisin. Motko Ut.
>>46447973
Why would they mention Revan?
There was like one person on the planet who actually KNEW anything about it and that was Maul, who was playing his cards super close to his chest. The Inquisitors were not true Sith and the Jedi knew fuckall.
There were dead Jedi there and the Jedi themselves had no clue when that had happened.
>>46445929
>space rat
>shoehorned into the party
>only straight because her VA is a cunt
The worst character in ME, but only because you can just flat out refuse to take Garrus along for the first game.
>>46448693
>Garrus
>Bad
You are possibly the most vile creature I've ever encountered.
>>46448710
He's worse than Zaeed or Ashley in every regard.
>>46448710
Seconded. He's Dirty Harry turned Punisher.
In Space.
>>46448770
>>46448693
>hates tali
>hates garrus
>>46448693
>Hates both Tali and Garrus
I'm sure there's some bleach around for you to drink
>>46448770
>Liking Ash
>>46448828
she could have been cool, but then >ME3 happened
>>46448828
She was ruined by the third game, but she was a solid character in the first.
>inb4 I dont like her because she's mean to mai waifu
>>46448845
I actually liked her more in 3 because she was less racist and had a sexy new hair cut. That other anon is nuts though if she's one of his favorite characters
>>46448864
>had a sexy new hair cut
that's where you and I disagree.
her first game look was superior in every way.
she DID get more characterization in three, which was nice
also, I'm STILL pissed at the lack of zaeed in 3. he was the fucking best
>>46448907
Go play Citadel. It's worth it, I promise.
>>46448863
I just found her bland. Halo had more entertaining marines and her racism wasn't even all that pronounced. Compared to /int/ and /pol/, she's downright tame.
FACT: Joker is the #1 husbindo in all of Mass Effect
>>46448949
Go to bed EDI
>>46448919
already did, had a blast. still not enough zaeed
>>46448927
>Halo had more entertaining marines
to be fair, halo has mass effect beat in a large number of ways
>>46448907
I liked him but he wasn't high on my list so I'm glad they picked more of the OG crew. Would have probably traded him for new fetishbait EDI though. I did like that in the epilogue he's just chilling on a lawn chair getting drunk and celebrating his merc money.
>>46448845
Her bullshit in ME2 was enough. Why was there no "I was literally dead and couldn't contact you" option?
But yeah, fuck ME3.
>>46448828
Honestly, I can understand her being a total bitch in 2, but how does Kaiden go from open-minded but cautious practical guy to "lol I'm alliance and it doesn't matter I would've died for you a year ago"?
I can get Ash doing that since she had that whole "my dad was a filthy traitor" thing going on, but Kaiden was the voice of reason in ME1, so what gives?
>>46448907
Agreed. She looked like a proper soldier in 1, and an Alliance-themed stripper in 3.
>>46448919
It's fun, but way too damn campy. A lot of your squaddies just got stereotyped to hell for cheap laughs.
Also the writing ofyour clone and that traitor chickwas some of the worst in the series.
>>46448971
>Halo>mass effect
spartanfag detected
>>46448927
>her racism wasn't even all that pronounced
You have to keep in mind Bioware's need to be PC. The sex scenes were non-existent and they still got major backlash from concerned mommies.
>>46448073
>Shit talks the game that brought forth the idea Revan was his own man who used both the Dark and Light sides to his own ends, changing a generic rpg plot-twist into one of the old canon's most memorable and beloved characters.
Not that guy you're talking to, but I never liked what KOTOR2 did with Revan's character. All of this about using the Light and Dark, being the only one to know about the real threat of the True Sith, the fact that his attack on the Republic was actually some sort of genius plan to strengthen it for the coming war. All of it feels like such wankery to me. I only got to play KOTOR1 much later after its release, and I don't think I was able to enjoy it as much as I could've, but one of the things I really appreciated about it was the redemption story of your character. That you did something terrible and were trying to make things right. It just isn't the same after Revan gets turned into a super-genius who never did anything wrong in KOTOR2.
>>46448971
>to be fair, halo has mass effect beat in a large number of ways
>has
Pre-343 Halo did have some better bits than ME, but everything after Reach has just been so much garbage.
Both series deserve respect, but both also got fucked over after a solid starting run.
>>46449029
The True Sith were a fucking retarded idea.
>>46448971
>halo has mass effect beat in a large number of ways
Naw.
>>46448992
>Her bullshit in ME2 was enough. Why was there no "I was literally dead and couldn't contact you" option?
fuggin bioware, way it goes.
like, it's perfectly reasonable for her to not come along, but a non-antagonistic option would have been nice, like a "I trust you shep, but I'm serving military and I can't just run off to join you" choice, ESPECIALLY if you romanced her in one
>>46449052
I completely agree.
to me, Reach was the last real Halo game, and even it's a bit suspect.
Four wasn't BAD per se, but those plot elements could have been used FAR better by someone other than 343
>>46449086
yah
>>46449101
>your significant other disappears, shows up way later as a member of ISIS
>"I trust you"
I wouldn't.
>>46448481
>This is the interesting aspect with RepComm - it's not written from a perspective of noblebright heroism - its written from a gritty real war standpoint, and touches on things like warcrimes and PTSD. If anything, I can understand why people don't like it for that reason, because it is very different from mainline star wars (but then again, so was the RepComm game)
Any point it may have had was massively undercut by A. how preachy it was about the Jedi being Literally Worse Than Hitler B. the fact that Traviss literally rewrote canon to make the Jedi into sociopathic robots and C. pretty much every Mandalorian character being a massive hypocrite.
Which sucks, because I'd love a book exploring the tension between the Jedi as peacekeepers and their new roles as war commanders. But Republic Commando buried that under all of Traviss' bullshit.
>>46449029
Don't get me wrong, I still loved Kotor 1, and I totally can get where you're coming from. But I liked the "newer" Revan for the same reason I liked Katarn and Qui-Gon: they were different and in some ways more relatable.
Star Wars has always been interesting to me because of its variety in characters, worlds, and the like. So having the Jedi and Sith be pretty much the same no matter where you went (save based-Luke's new order and the crazy ancient wizard Sith) was bothersome to me. So, for me, Revan was a nice change of pace.
>>46449083
Well, the lore was there. The best darkside stuff happened with the Sith Species (sorcery, necromancy, etc.), so seeing a game with old school Sith would've been pretty fucking metal. Dunno how well TOR lives up to that.
>>46449029
>>Shit talks the game that brought forth the idea Revan was his own man who used both the Dark and Light sides to his own ends, changing a generic rpg plot-twist into one of the old canon's most memorable and beloved characters.
Lucas himself retconned the gray jedi elements of KOTOR, saying it was utter bullshit.
I never forgave.
>>46449185
Honestly? I would at least hear her out considering I'd never follo-, um, marry anyone who was completely irrational. I'd trust them enough to hear them out. Especially if they had somehow COME BACK FROM THE DEAD.
Actually, Ash would've been prime Cerberus material were it not for her backstory. Her whole "we gotta do what we gotta to look after humanity" attitude would've been at home in Cerberus (until the new writers turned them into Saturday-morning cartoon villains in 3 anyway.
>>46449185
>your significant other DIES, shows up way later as a member of ISIS
All glory to Allah, for they have found the secret to Lichdom.
>>46449185
shepard is pretty fucking good at talking people into stuff. it's not really beyond him to talk her down from that
>>46449265
Cerberus's projects always come back to bite them in the ass. Always.
>>46449283
See, that's the attitude I don't get. Of course you only get sent to the projects that fuck up. They have no reason to send you to the stuff that doesn't.
But remember how they rebuilt and improved the Normandy? Remember how they brought you back from the dead? Remember how they set you up with weapons, armor, and contacts that allowed you to bring down a threat no one else could?
Remember Jack's old home where the scientists were terrified TIM would find out what they had done? If TIM had no standards, they wouldn't be worried.
TIM's endgame was save humanity, because no one else will. Or at least it was before the writers were changed for ME3 (they took the old ones to work on TOR). He even explicitly told Miranda to not put any kind of control measures in you because he knew you'd never work with them if he wasn't upfront about shit.
>>46449357
>He even explicitly told Miranda to not put any kind of control measures in you because he knew you'd never work with them if he wasn't upfront about shit.
No, he did that because he needed you at your best and was afraid control measures would get in the way, and he was never what I would call "up front about shit." Did you forget about all the IFF shit?
>>46449357
>But remember how they rebuilt and improved the Normandy? Remember how they brought you back from the dead? Remember how they set you up with weapons, armor, and contacts that allowed you to bring down a threat no one else could?
Which was then turned against them. QED.
>>46449416
Touche, I will consent that one. I've gotten used to the whole manipulation and subterfuge gig and expect even allies to lie a little.
But please, don't get me wrong, my point isn't that the guy was a saint and completely trustworthy. The dude was a manipulative terrorist after all. My point is that Cerberus was far from an incompetent pile of shitheads, and the fact they were able to bring together the financing, know-how, and other resources to even just bring you back and restore the Normandy speaks volumes of their capabilities and they shouldn't be underestimated.
>>46449443
It wouldn't have been a fixed thing had the writing not changed. Cerberus was the Renegade faction to the Alliance's Paragon. Under the old writing, there would've been a choice like there was with the collector station.
Still, I realize how that can be silly making statements off of "could've"s and "should've"s. It's just hard for me to take anything ME3 brought to the table seriously after how much the writing went against the older stuff.
>>46449569
>Cerberus was far from an incompetent pile of shitheads
>An Alliance Admiral is investigating our clandestine projects!
>What should we do?
>I know! Drag him to one of our research black sites and feed him to the test subjects!
>That plan can't possibly blow back on us!
Absolutely fucking retarded.
>>46449753
Cerberus seems to be a place of extremes. Either they do something utterly brilliant or they do something impossibly retarded. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with them. Nothing they do ever turns out average. They're a lot like Sienar.
>>46449753
Wait, I'm confused...
When did /swg/ become about Mass Effect exactly?
>>46449753
That doesn't undo the resurrection, financing, or any of the other shit. Nor did I say anywhere that Cerberus was some hyper-competent group that could do no wrong. They are cell-organized, and that means cells are free to go nuts.
But I will say it again, one doesn't manage to amass spaceships, stations, black ops troops, an intergalactic spy network, billions of credits, cutting edge RnD teams, AI, or any of the other things they had by being completely incompetent.
>>46449828
Something something mixed fandoms. Something something /tg/ always gets off topic. Something something autism from all parties (including myself) involved.
>>46449825
What's the difference between the TIE fighter and the T.I.E. Fighter?
Hey, so it's my first time playing the FFG Star Wars RPG. I'll be playing with some experienced players who already know their shit. I'll probably be playing a backup combat dude, or an ace. Is there anything I should know about character creation?
Also if anyone has any crazy combinations of gear/talents I'd appreciate it. I don't really know what to look for in power levels with this game.
>>46449906
WELL! anon, One is grey and black while the other is CLEARLY grey-blue and black.
Isn't it OBVIOUS!?
>>46449907
Read the 1d4chan article. IIRC it gives a rundown of the different classes in a way which helps with that kind of thing.
