Blue Dragon edition
Discuss the viability of the Warcraft universe as a tabletop RPG setting. Have fun, don't be an autist, and keep your cool. This is not /v/.
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>>46410884
bumping with fertility goddess.
wtf is this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QESzTP6_in4
>>46423033
kinda neat to see someone explore azeroth without being a murderhobo.
https://youtu.be/pk0hQKjY7dA
Also, suramar looks neat-o
anyone got pics like this?
>>46424105
No
>>46424235
Blizzard never showed draenei as anything other than a jobber race. what a shame.
>>46424365
Here's hoping Velen gets off his wrinkly blue ass and actually does something.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.
That'd be like expecting Malfurion to do something useful.
>Blizzard will never have the balls to let Arthas win the Scourge War and turn all of Azeroth into an undead army to fight the Legion
>>46424424
If you read his leader short story, you realize just how much of a fag he is. He sits there on his ship all day and looks into the future. Then the OCDONUTSTEEL character anduin comes and suddenly he becomes proactive.
>>46424737
The problem with Velen is the same with Malfurion. By the fluff, they're both ridiculously powerful and each could wreck the Horde single-handedly. So they have to be kept on the sidelines not doing anything, even if there's no good reason for them not to do anything.
>>46424895
Too bad they awoke Malfurion
Him being within the Emerald dream was a perfect excuse for keeping him out of the way so that he couldn't just solve all the problems you need PCs to solve.
>>46424895
see, velen sees all the bullshit at the start of the cataclysm, and does nothing AT ALL.
>>46419180
The bomb exploded so hard that it destroys theramore in all timelines.
yes blizzard is that stupid
>>46425149
Wow
What about Theramore made the writers so butthurt that they needed to destroy it entirely like that?
Bad enough that the bombing of Theramore was pretty much the worst bit of writing of that whole expansion, but they had to make it so that it happened to every Theramore in every universe? That has to be due to some kind of weird grudge
>>46425149
But what about timelines like the one created by WoD, where there IS no Theramore?
Does a magical mana bomb just explode over an empty segment of swampy island?
>>46425299
>Garrosh caused the Tunguska Event
>>46425293
>>46425299
I don't know. Remember that by this time the old team was all but gone. Only metzen was there.
But yes, the destruction of theramore was a big fuck you to the alliance, and it would be alright if the horde got some comeuppance ingame for it. but none of that happened.
>>46425383
Does the Horde even have fans anymore?
I used to be a fan of the Horde, but everything I like about them has been consistently either removed, or shoved under the rug, and by this point I'm just sick of it.
I want my ragtag bunch of underdogs back. Not a well-oiled fighting machine
>>46425452
Too many little tweenage babbies playing who want their horde to be SUPAH BADASS and EDGY and shit.
They all whine like fuck whenever anyone suggest that Jaina has good reason to be upset and cry that she should be killed just because.
>>46425601
Jaina has an excellent reason to be upset
My problem is that the reason she has, shouldn't exist, because that whole plotline was fucking retarded.
It's not enough that Blizzard fucks things up, they keep fucking things up in ways that can not ever be reversed, leaving us to deal with them permanently rather than being able to fix the writers stupid mistakes without a massive retcon
>>46425452
the horde has fanboys aplenty. Even streamers constantly play as the horde.
The story forums shit themselves if sylvanas is shown to be getting a comeuppance. They even changed the questlines for the DKs rescuing Koltira
>>46425778
>They even changed the questlines for the DKs rescuing Koltira
They fucking what?
>>46425778
Oh good, the forums are now a Paizo-style echo chamber for the writers
No wonder
Interesting globe that I learned a few things from.
>Blizzard was smart enough to actually make a single globe file that they can edit the textures off to retroactively update past globes with new content. (Since this Globe is in the Hinterlands and I doubt it was manually replaced)
That's cool
>Krasarang is nearly in the South fucking pole
That's lame and I hate it.
>There are three KNOWN Islands west of Kalimdor and well off the coast.
>>46423033
>>46423097
Who do you think the dad was? Harrison Jones? Pre-Brain-Damage-Bud, that new human guy from Hearthstone? It also mentions a stepdad so if the Dad they mentioned is the same as the stepdad it could be Brann, he's not above adopting humans since I think he adopted Harrison Jones too.
>>46425790
4skin fans threw a hissy fit so they changed the quest. Now they don't step on the toes of the undercity.
RIP scourge world police.
>>46425149
>>46425293
>>46425383
>>46425452
I have never seen ANYONE provide even a single fucking source to the "The Theramore Bomb Blew up OTHER TIMELINES!" sensationalist bullshit.
>>46425823
Yeah, There's also the globe that Algalon was hanging around
Feel free to discount them as retarded-looking setpieces, because they make no fucking sense at all
>>46425836
its mentioned in war crimes. Like they see into all other timelines and see that the mana bomb blew it all up.
>>46425778
>>46425790
>>46425829
Can I see both the old and new quests?
And this alleged fanboy rage?
>>46425856
It was referenced on SoL
And you can check the Story forums on blizzard. going back a few weeks.
>>No.46419064
No, there was a quest chain in tanaris where a troll want you to collect some regeant for him.
They include some wind serpant soul from Feralas and blood of Hakkar from sunken temple.
Then he reveal himself being jin'do , then flew off to zul'gurub then the quest chain ends.
Then zul'gurub opens and you go kill him.
>>46424105
Why yes, as a matter of fact. I have two more.
>>46426465
>>46426465
>>46426493
little draenei might be the cutest things in wow, alongside the turtles.
>>46426493
draenei kids- such a cute
>>46425778
Elesseth, is that you?
>>46426570
???
>>46426578
No? Seebach then? Zerde? Quirnheim?
>>46426598
nah. I used to shitpost with them a year ago though.
>>46426615
Quirnheim and Seebach are the best. I can go back and forth with them for days in a thread.
>>46426644
yep. You aren't that troll rogue are you?
>>46426656
Nope. I generally post as a Forsaken rogue.
>>46422785
>Warcraft
> lore
>>46426656
>>46426693
You mean Scryll?
>>46426465
>>46426493
then they all got killed by the Orcs with the kids hanging from the pike.
>>46426729
nah, some of them probably got GREENED or fed to the Dark Portal too
>>46426716
yes, thats the one.
>>46426693
meh. forsaken are icky.
>>46426705
>Warhammer Fantasy
>lore
>>46426751
>>46426729
don't forget to thank velen guys. He sat on his ass.
>>46426909
drainy sluts are built for horde cock, so it's all good
>>46427087
I really think that they are ultimate wife material.
They are nice, loving, kind, wise and seem like the kind of gal who will help you when you are down.. Insanely hot
Everyone's got their pet races that actually get attention, like draenei or elves or orcs.
Meanwhile, I'm just over here... twiddling my dick... waiting for more ethereal lore.
E-ethereals will become relevant, right guys?
R-right?
>>46427181
>They are nice, loving, kind, wise and seem like the kind of gal who will help you when you are down..
also their body is designed so that they constantly look desperate for anal sex, which never hurts
>>46427289
etherals are better off as an NPC race desu.
>>46426760
>meh. forsaken are icky.
Your face is icky.
>>46427289
I just want them to get enough lore so that they're more than just extra magical Goblins
>>46427321
nah, they are like skinny hunched retards that cackle madly and look like they do krokodil.
>>46427309
Well I mean, I don't want them to be playable if that's what you mean by "better off as an NPC race". I just wanna know more about them and what they were before becoming floaty bandage men.
They're really quite fascinating.
>>46427338
I've already read through practically every bit of lore they've got. From what I can see, the only relation between the two races is that they both focus on gold as a source of power within their societies.
Other than that, ethereals are far more technologically advanced, better at magic, and actually have a refined nature to them, as opposed to goblins and their crude nature.
>>46427396
there was the half mad rogue in pandaria who muttered about the etherals and how they couldn't be trusted.
>>46427396
>From what I can see, the only relation between the two races is that they both focus on gold as a source of power within their societies.
>Other than that, ethereals are far more technologically advanced, better at magic, and actually have a refined nature to them, as opposed to goblins and their crude nature.
both of them are consistently protrayed as "capitalists with better than average technology" with goblins it's played for laughs while ethereals are meant to be mysterious and fairly serious (for WoW)
>>46427446
that bloke at the conservatory in Netherstorm was a badass.
>>46427289
I generally don't like energy beings but since In Wow they're practically corporeal anyway I mind it a little less.
>>46427426
Refined doesn't necessarily mean trustworthy. The easiest analogy I can make to compare goblins and ethereals is this:
Goblins are like a used cars salesman who is trying to sell you a car that barely works, but insists that it does.
Ethereals are like a suit and tie businessman who is trying to get you to sign a contract for the same car, but uses words you don't know to play you into signing the contract without even reading it.
>>46427446
I mean, sure they're both capitalists, but again, they're not the same. Goblins have better tech than most everyone, true. But ethereals have better tech than most goblins.
Examples of ethereal tech include:
>gigantic eco-domes that "allow for work in a controlled and life-sustaining atmosphere"
>physical holograms that can be directly interacted with and vice versa
>teleporters
>"proto-accelerators" (the exact nature of what this thing is isn't really clarified, other than "to strike at their proto-accelerator would be futile as it is an ethereal creation", likely hinting that ethereal technology is especially sturdy, and the fact that it turns ethereals into void infused nexus-stalkers)
>transponders (communicators)
>phase disruptors (used to "annihilate" the void conduit powering Dimensius)
>devices capable of gathering souls
There's a few more, but these are some of the more important ones.
>>46427348
>and look like they do krokodil
>implying krokodil isn't the shit
Faggot.
>>46427683
yes, especially the part when you get rid of unwanted muscles.
When discussing Warcraft Lore, one should always be asking this question.
Where in the world is Kel'Thuzad?
>>46427745
He, arthas and Ner'Zhul are going to break Kil'Jaeden's legs when the legion tries to mess with bolvar.
>>46427745
Chilling with the likes of Wrathion, Xavius, Illidan and whichever Lich King you want, in "Retconned/Literally just forgotten" territory
>>46427820
>Wrathion, Xavius, Illidan
All playing parts this expansion.
>>46427870
And a very major part, might i add.
>>46427745
In Darnassus in a trenchcoat, going by "Kelly Thursday"
>>46428036
Now that you've came with it, I would like to see a Lich in trenchcoat.
I want more Quilboar stuff, and a festored Agamaggan to go ham on the Legion once more.
>>46427745
Anyone think Blizz will bring him and Arthas back? WOW's still shredding subscribers like mad isn't it? I kind of wonder if they'll try and use those two to prop the numbers back up.
>>46428934
>Arthas
How is that going to work? Wasn't his soul separated from the Lich King's during the end of the Icecrown raid?
>>46429221
Hell it was always seperated.
The body was controlled by Soulless Arthas who had subjugated and absorbed Ner'zhul, his soul itself was inside Frostmourne, and that "Conscience" bit that connected his Soulless mind to his soul itself was in his heart or some shit.
>>46429221
No idea. Possibly Bolvar gets wrecked somehow and KT does some magic mumbo jumbo to bring him back with the helm of the damned.
I'm sure that someone could come up with a way. It's not like it needs to make a hell of a lot of sense.
>>46428778
You know who i'd like to see against the Legion, everyone else other than the Alliance or Horde.
Steamwheedle Cartel, Shatar, Aldor, Scryers, Pandaria factions, everybody.
For example, for Shado-pan help to help heal their trees, mantids bring in troops to kill the Legion, The fact that this leaves them less mouths to feed helps. They also bring in a Klaxxi in amber to to lead the mantid but he got captured. So we get a quest or daily to rescue him.
This is what I mean. Use the factions from previous expansions. The Burning Legion is a problem for everyone not just Horde, Alliance and new factions. Not just a cameo. But that probably won't happen.
>>46427650
There's a few of them in the new Artifact quests. Anyhow, I expect we'll see more Ethereals if we ever get a Void-themed expansion down the line. Whether in the form of Ethereals trying to become Void or to fight it. I suppose that's one thing to look forward to, as they're undoubtedly one of the cooler races in terms of both attitude and appearance.
Speaking about Void themes, which the Old Gods are now part of, how extensive do people think Azeroth's underground may be? Would it be large enough to house its own ecosystem of Aqir, Faceless Ones, and other weird shit?
>>46429920
I really like the idea of the Old Gods and their servants fighting the Legion because Azeroth is their's to torment and they'll be damned if they let some two bit space monkeys muscle in on their turf
Lads, I need help. I am writing a FF in the storythread right now set in Azeroth during RoC. I kinda need help with stuff. If anyone could help me go over my stuff and double check any lore errors I make, it would be very kind of you.
>>46429973
Well, there's also the part where Sargeras and his Legion are directly opposed to their goals and trying to kill them. It's in the Old Gods' best interests to defeat the Burning Legion once and for all, as it would eliminate the most active force preventing them, including those on other worlds, from finally achieving their masters' goals.
I'm hoping that Shadow Priests and their artifact Xal'atath will be able to arrange a mutually beneficial alliance, allowing us to recruit some Faceless and Aqir followers. I'd love to see an army of those bastards helping us put an end to the Legion once and for all, so that their own conquest of the cosmos will be cleared of its greatest obstacle.
>>46429221
Arthas's soul is seen to still be in the land of shadow.
So if somehow his soul is brought back he will be up and kicking again in no time.
>>46430235
>Arthas's soul is seen to still be in the land of shadow.
I don't think he's in the Shadowlands. He's in a dark place described as an "infinite void" full of indescribable creatures who couldn't possibly exist in the world of the living.
I'll bet you anything that he's in the Void.
>>46430235
His soul wasn't in control of his body from the moment he picked up Frostmourne, just a twisted (And delightfully sardonic) echo of his personality.
But yes even his soul is in a nastier "Hell" section of the Shadowlands, some sort of Void-hell, or that whole thing with Sylvanus seeing him pay the price for his sins leading up to Frostmourne was an illusion by the Val'kyr to weaken her for mind control.
>>46430265
why would his soul go into the void?
>>46430265
>>46430273
Apparently it's the equivalent of hell/ "Actually designed to burn off your sins for eventual entry to heaven" Purgatory which he more than rightly earned at the very LEAST in Northrend. (I am not starting a shitshow about the Straholme incident, he's in hell for betraying his men and his mercenaries.)
>>46430333
yes and why would he indefinitely be there?
I mean green dindu killed far more men than him, the orcs do that all the time and yet he gets stuck in purgatory.
>>46430273
The same way that some go into the Light. Why can't the Void claim souls too? We've seen it do that in WoD, and Arthas surrounded himself in a ton of Saronite which could have eased in the process.
The Shadowlands are heavily implied to not be the final afterlife. There are places after it, and ultimately the two main powers are the Light and Void which exist throughout everything. It could just be that his soul had darkened to the point where the Void had the strongest pull on it.
>>46430333
I think it's just the Void that he went to, not any sort of purgatory. The "infinite void" wasn't described as burning off his sins or anything. It was a plane of infinite evil inhabited by indescribable entities, of such scale that they made the power and evil of the Lich King look insignificant, and got a sadistic joy from tormenting the souls in their grasp.
The Shadowlands are more like the ghost realm rather than a proper afterlife, for spirits who haven't quite passed on yet. We've seen the Shadowlands every time we've died and in various quests. It's rather bleak, but it's not an awful realm of infinite torment.
>>46430350
>yes and why would he indefinitely be there?
>I mean green dindu killed far more men than him, the orcs do that all the time and yet he gets stuck in purgatory.
Arthas was just the one who was most relevant to Sylvanus.
>>46430350
Who knows how many orcish souls the void may have claimed? In WoD, the Void creatures seem to be claiming plenty of Orcs just fine.
>>46430419
Answered it for me. Sylvanas wouldn't give a shit about some orcs.
I always liked this little town, even if it was just a single dwarf house and windmill.
Was it eve explained what Sprit Healers were? I know Azuregos was dating one
>>46430671
Chronicles says their a third faction of free Val'kyr (The original kind created by titan keepers, not Arthas's knockoffs)
>>46430671
It's heavily implied that they're ancient Val'kyr who were freed from Odyn's control, and decided to just chill out in the Shadowlands.
>>46430195
>mfw players will at some point be forced to work with burning legion to thwart the old gods if they become too powerful
Have my favorite ceiling in WoW.
You are kidding right? The viability... of a universe where Humans fight Orcs. Undead are assholes and Dragons fly around burning shit. And you want to discuss if its possible for that to exist in a D&D setting. Are you fucking retarded?
>>46431192
what is this place?
>>46431235
uh, you really haven't been keeping up with warcraft fluff have you?
They have gone full DBZ during buu tier now. We simply try and salvage what parts we can.
>>46431184
>Players kick Sargeras' ass and tell him to fuck off
>Old Gods emerge in full strength and start raising hell again
>Sargeras comes crawling with his Legion to beg that he could help us because we are stronk
>It's a ruse, Legion corrupts the Alliance
>Without another major faction behind them Old Gods corrupt the Horde
>Last expansion is the Horde and Alliance heroes breaking free of the corruption and working undercover to wake the Azeroth titan uncorrupted
>>46431269
That's quadruple stupid.
>>46431269
I imagine risks of corruption could be mitigated even in case of alliance of convenience with either of the ultimate evil forces. Not eliminated of course because such is their nature, but mitigated. As in limiting the contact, banning demons from population centers, keeping military forces separated.
Carrying out intelligence operations would be a pain though.
>>46431235
What OP really meant was "Let's talk about warcraft setting and let's say it's about PnP to discourage people from whining about >>>/v/"
Also
>D&D
>go check on the DK updates in Legion
>mfwNAZGRIM, TROLLBANE, WHITEMANE, FORDRING
shiiiiet
>>46431454
How didFordringdie anyway?
OrTrollbanefor that matter.
Both in the events of the Legion expansion, or some of the written fluff?
>>46431475
Or is it actuallyGalen TrollbaneandTaelan Fordring?
>>46431475Fordringbasically got tortured to death after his forces got crushed at the broken shore. To his credit, his body was broken before his spirit.
As forTrollbaneI'm not sure. I always assumed he died sometime during warcraft 3.
>>46431552
>Trollbane
But hehangs out in Outland during events of TBC.
Maybe hegets killed by the zombies in defence of Stromgarde.
>>46431250
>what is this place?
not that guy but this looks like the former Silver Hands barracks in Stratholme
>>46431559Thoras Trollbaneis the one that'll get raised. You're thinking ofDanath Trollbane, his nephew.
>>46431655
I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
>>46431269
Blizz, stop wanking. We all know about your corruption fetish.
>>46431684
The guy got assassinated before WC3 starts.
Its hinted that syndicate was responsible.
>>46431898
Perfidious Alterac does it again. Switzerland should feel insulted for being associated with this hive of scum and villainy.
>>46425829
>RIP scourge world police.
NO MORE MR. NICE POLICE DEATH KNIGHT.
IT'S DEATH KNIGHT MURDER SQUADS NOW. THIS IS THE FUTURE YOU CHOSE.
>>46431454
>DKs literally steal Tirion's corpse
Saving the Azeroth has a price, ret lives don't matter.
I really dislike the plot point of "There must always be a lich king", implying that Arthas was actually holding the scourge back, especially considering that scene where his heart got destroyed.
And I don't like suggestion that feral scourge is somehow more of a threat than organized weaponized scourge, that it would somehow be capable to overrun the crusade armies when army commanded by Lich King could not do so.
Adding Bolvar in there felt redundant. Arthas could have died, scourge could have stayed like the Zerg. If they wanted to recycle it in future expansions, they could just have a necromancer or a rogue DK take it over.
>>46431987
>Disliking supreme leader bolvar
You laugh, but one day he'll actually do the fusion dance with ner'zhul and arthas and become the lich emperor.
probably after a dreadlord goes to kill him and he's about to lose, saying something cheese like "no king rules forever, but emperors are eternal".
>>46432024
>implying Kel won't take the crown for himself
>>46432152
>Kel
>Not happy on being the vizier
>>46431987
Its implied that scourge had a "massive" army hidden , the ones that you fought is just token force by comparison.
Its not feral scourge is more dangerous than organized scourge, but there will be like thousand times of them.
Bolvar was popular enough to be given a role in latter game, that was the point.
He was to the alliance what thrall was to horde.
>>46432196
>Its implied that scourge had a "massive" army hidden , the ones that you fought is just token force by comparison.
>Its not feral scourge is more dangerous than organized scourge, but there will be like thousand times of them.
Why did neither Ner'zhul nor Arthas make use of those meatshields?
Or is it some sort of quirk of necromantic magic that element of a sapient, controlling mind actively suppresses activity of the undead, perhaps to facilitate ease and security of control?
I mean it's still an asspull but...
>>46432232
>Why did neither Ner'zhul nor Arthas make use of those meatshields?
the idea was the following
>Feed adventuers and make them OP
>OTK them
>Super DKs!
It also was working until the light literally empowered Tirion to high hell.
>inb4 "Why den can't bolvar control all de unded lik arthus?"
because
1. Arthas trained as DK
2. Ner'zhul is ner-fucking-zhul.
3. Bolvar is a paladin doing his best to fit the number 1 DK shoes, it's fucking hard.
>>46432232
Because their ultimate foe was the burning legion.
Even if Ner'zhul had it, he never would ultilized that army. His problem was him losing control of the scourge when facing illidan.
I can't see how unleashing a force he can't control being a good plan.
Arthas was obviously trolling the entire WoTLK.
He was baiting the strongest heroes of the world (aka player Murderhobos) to come to ICC so he can convert them into his strongest champions.
>>46427289
Magical Jewish Space Mummies are awesome
Replaying WC3 and TFT recently made me realize something: Tyrande and Malfurion are actually pretty dumb and selfish.
Up until his death it's Cenarius who commands and wins their battles.
After that all she does is win a single battle that she herself needlessly provokes and then race the Undead to Malfurions burrow.
In there she goes against Malfurions orders, breaks into a prison, goes on a murderous rampage and kills the wardens for doing their job. A job they've been doing for the last 10 000 years. 10 000 years underground, while she was running around in the woods fucking trees. A job they've been doing on MALFURION'S DIRECT ORDERS.
And the whole thing on the idea that Illidan MIGHT help them.
Then she refuses to accept her fuckup and get's all bitchy about it to Maiev, who is rightfully pissed.
And then in TFT she goes against Malfurion AGAIN when the scene is literally
>Malfurion: Stop bickering and concentrate on Illidan. This has the highest priority.
>Maiev: Okay
>Tyrande: Guess what, we are doing something different now.
And then she bombs the bridge she is standing on. There's no indicator they even needed the Belves' help.
Malfurion isn't any better. If Cenarius knew what he has been up to, he'd slap his shit. Not only does he let Illidan go in Reign of Chaos for NO FUCKING REASON, he let's him go AGAIN in TFT just because he helped saving his Waifu. Even though Illidan just nearly fucked up the world for the fourth or fifth time. Because after Illidan declared that he never wanted to rule the world, just ALL THE MAGIC and ALL THE POWER, that won't ever come back and bite them in the ass.
Maiev's only "mistake" was to lie to Malfurion, and she had to lie because she fucking knew he'd drop everything just to go save his waifu.
>>46432306
They're completely retarded and I don't get how they're meant to be a sympathetic character just because we control them. Plus Malfurions mouth moves funny when he talks.
>>46432306
Well, Illidan killed Tichondrius and stopped the corruption of the forest, that's something.
>>46432260
>>46432274
>I let crusaders to my doorstep and allowed the raiders to plow through my minions and murder my most powerful lieutenants so I can get 10/25 hero minions
That sounds really silly.
>>46432370
Yeah, but was he necessary? I'm assuming Malfurion had some sort of plan to deal with the deamons. Illidan just does it because he kinda already absorbed the skull.
>>46432306
Illidan didn't do anything evil after ROC and there's no reason to not let him go.
>>46432380
>get 25superior bosses at the cost of 10 retards you can re-rise or re-craft anyways
>>46432380
>10/25 hero minions
See what the Scourge did with only one Kel'thuzad and one Arthas
>>46432380
Reminder that he had lich king's fury and fury of frostmourn.
He just wasn't trying.
And we all know Murderhobos are the most dangerous beings in WoW, even Sargares will eventually gets killed by them, so its actually a good plan.
>>46432385
Probably it was necessary for the same reason why orcs needed demon upgrades to put a dent in Cenarius, or why Arthas went for a magic sword because his hammer apparently wasn't enough.
>>46432393
That would sound more credible if those 10 retard bosses were not all individually capable of taking on entire raids. They didn't even 1v1
>>46432401
>And we all know Murderhobos are the most dangerous beings in WoW, even Sargares will eventually gets killed by them, so its actually a good plan.
Arthas confirmed for smartest leader that only got put down through DM bullshit.
>>46432416
He was really grooming you, plus: Those 25 retards can take on nearly anyone, so might as well have an actual group you can then mind fuck into 24/7 permanent obedience and give magic powers.
Arthas/Nerzhul did know exactly what the fuck they're doing.
>>46432430
Well, it still doesn't explain why bother with this master bait plan when you already have enough forces to take over the world and still end up ahead since you'll be raising all the conquered nations.
>>46432422
Well a lot of bad guys figured it out.
Why work so hard on your evil plan when you can just add a ! on your head and let these killing machines finish the job for you?
>>46432454
Arthas was still going to fight the Burning legion.
He needed better champions to face the legion's big shots.
Hence why resurrecting 25 murderhobos and direct them to the legion is a good idea.
>>46432416
>Probably it was necessary for the same reason why orcs needed demon upgrades to put a dent in Cenarius, or why Arthas went for a magic sword because his hammer apparently wasn't enough.
Well, we know that the Orcs couldn't hurt Cenarius without the blood. We don't know if the Elves had a way to deal with the Dreadlord. Probably, since they beat them back before.
>>46432385
His plan was to stop achimonde in Hyjal and needed time to prepare for it.
Now think if tichondrius (divine armor badass with rain of chaos) was there too, its gonna be a LOT harder to finish that stage I tell you
>>46432306
b-b-b-but muh amazon elf warrior lady
>>46431454
Wait, so it's straight upWhitemane from SMas the final horseman? I'd been wondering who it would be since I'd heard of the other three.
>>46432523
We really don't know if there was any other way to deal with him. Yes, Illidans actions were convenient, but we don't know if they were necessary.
In any case, Tyrande shouldn't free Illidan and then act all shocked when he does his Illidan-Thing. That just makes her look dumb and shortsighted.
>>46432673
It seems so, but for some reason the links on wowhead no longer work.
I really hope they didn't change their minds.
>>46432306
>the historical retardation and incompetence of the night elves
You, sir, are my colleague on this theory.
>>46432697
Biggest issue I have with the whole thing is having three human members. Might've been cool to have a little more diversity, but I still love thatNazgrimis in at least. And the fact that we get some continuation to Thassarian and Koltrias storylines. Overall, DK class story seems to be the best of Legion.
Okay, I have a lore-bending challenge. I took the current playable races, and randomly separated them into two.
I got:
Faction A: Draenei, Dwarf, Goblin, Troll, Undead, Worgen
Faction B: Blood Elf, Gnome, Human, Orc, Night Elf, Tauren
Okay, by keeping the events up to the end of WC2 the same, find a way to make the races end up in these factions. You can slightly bend the events, and races don't have to be the same tribes/nations etc.
>>46432687
But what was wrong with his Illidan-Thing? Absorbing the Skull of Gul'dan? All he have done was jump to fight the Buring Legion from the start.
>>46432734
I really, really wish that muh race and muh diversity was never ever used as justification for makeup of any group, especially not in fantasy games. Maybe unless it was literally part of political landscape of that setting. In this case ebon blade leadership would have to draw up list of candidates and pick or discard names based on their race, gender and allegiance.
>Okay, members formerly from scarlet crusade threaten riots if we don't include one of their candidates.
>I see female members also complain about inadequate representation and threaten to bury their sex organs if situation is not addressed. Maybe we should combine the two and raise Sally?
>Okay. Now, what's next? Our horde members were complaining for a long time about lack of representation. Especially now after Sylvanas treachery they are not buying that technically we're all forsaken so basically represent faction of a horde. Fortunately we know of an orc candidate...
>Next up are the goody two shoes grumbling about lack of moral backbone. As luck would have it, I have it on good authority that one spectacular candidate is ripe for reanimation, as long as they are not too squeamish about how we get the corpse... heh heh
>>46432306
WC2 was the last time Warcraft had good writing, and it's precisely because it and the original WC had their stories primarily told through infodumps between missions and painting characters and nations alike with very brief, broad strokes.
Once Blizz started doing actual character dialog and a moment-to-moment unfolding story the Warcraftverse immediately began going more and more full retard, with fewer and fewer blips of good ideas scattered throughout.
>>46432924
It's a minor gripe, mostly just because the Death Knights themselves are a really varied bunch with members from almost all races. Figured there's at least be a High Elf or something in there too.
>>46432872
Well, he transformed himself into a half-demon. I can see why the Night Elves would get their panties in a twist over that. But Illidan was doing the probably wrong thing for the right reason.
The actual problem here is asking Illidan for help and then getting upset when he helps you his own way.
>>46432864
Make trolls into forest trolls. They're working with the Forsaken to drive away the remains of the Scourge, also killing those pesky elves.
Don't invade Gilneas.
Draenei can be there to help Undead fight with the Lich King control or cure the curse of Worgen or the undeath or whatever.
Goblins are there for money. Sacking artifacts from the ruins of Dalaran and stuff and doing dangerous experiments with them. Whatever.
No idea about the Dwarves.
Faction B could just be the alliance that was formed in WC3, to fight the Burning Legion. Add Blood Elves to rekindle their connection with Night Elves, or make them High Elves.
Actually you can make Theramore the base of Humans. Let Stormwind be it's own thing.
Do something with Dwarves. Stormwind leaving the Alliance or something with Dark Iron.... Make them to join Faction A to survive.
>>46432948
RPG book actually had a lot of good ideas.
Just its not canon now.
How Malfurion fights in RPG book:
In combat Malfurion calls on nature to aid him in battle. He relies on summoned creatures, treants, dryads, night elf warriors and other allies.
He supports them with spells and acts as their general. If Malfurion is encountered alone, he usually uses his spells and abilities to escape into the forests and return later with help
So yeah, he basically just get a bunch of people to attack--> run away --> come back with more people to attack.
He fights exactly like a street thug.
>>46432924
>DK
>Giving a fuck about "race" "Species" or "nationality"
here it's how a DK acreditation is:
Race: Scourge
Species: Death Knight
Nationality: Soldier of the cold dark
>>46433245
>not Ebon Blade
This pain is ours, and no one elses.
>>46433813
Name: Kar Bloodhunter
Race: Scourge
Species: Death Knight
Nationality: Soldier of the cold dark
Job: Ebon Blade Death Knight
>Average DK circa legion
>>46433006
They took the ones, they had the ability to raise. Now they will be stronger than ever, the secret weapon they wield out of sight, for Azeroth's peace.
My favorite bit of lore that I discovered in game and with a few books was the dragon skeleton in Dragonblight thatArthas aka lich King was digging up
The skeleton belonged to Galakrond. The most powerful dragon ever. Who nearly wiped out the whole world even with resistance from all of the dragon aspects, plus pre evil deathwing
I just liked the subtle "if Arthas raises this then there will be no stopping him. And the scourge wins".
Also. Since they brought back illidan, and Blizzard is a bunch of assholes what are the odds that we fight another lich King, because ner'zul is back alive, and I feel like blizzard is just waiting for the chance to bring it back.
Also, because of the portal bullshit, is there a chance turalyon and his wife, sylvannas's sister is still alive? The portal was shut on them, but this portal opened before the world ended... And it's plausible that Arthas' sister was with them, after fleeing the orcs and possibly met up with them and entered the portal with them in the first place.
Finally.
Khadgar. Let's discuss him. He is powerful, and has medivhs notes, knowledge to some extent. He also wields a legendary staff who's power lore wise is constantly rising making khadgar more powerful.
Now assuming khadgar isnt an idiot would it be logical to assume that he could mess with the portals? Maybe even open them, or close them, or even change where it opens to? Because assuming he can, and because he was working in secret many times, he could have been responsible for turalyon and his wife getting stranded. Or could have set the portal on their end to not return them to azeroth.explaining why they never returned.
Its been years since I explained this. But I remember all of it being possible, and that was my theory, that khadgar is working for himself, and is possibly evil/stacking his deck. Having a living royal family of lordaeron member who can retake lordaeron. Keeping sylvanas's sister who could talk sense to sylvanas. Etc. Etc.
FOUR HORSEMAN DREAM TEAMS GO
>Arthas
>Kael'thas
>Garrosh
>Tirion
>>46434363
>what are the odds that we fight another lich King
Pretty good, Bolvar is sounding sorta-
>ner'zul is back alive
Nnnnnnnnnope.
>>46434628
TIRION
TROLLBANE(4u)
NAZGRIMGARROSH
>>46434659
Bolvar's fucking arthas shit up, he sends you to break arthas' and nerzhul's legs.
Bolvar->Bull
Nerzhul->Cuck
Arthas->Bitch
>>46434363
>Khadgar
>closing portals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1j2BMPe7L0
>>46434659
Well i believe ner'zul is alive in draenor and his spirit is within the armor of the lich King, I guess he could mess some stuff up, or at least give an excuse for lich King 2.0
>>46434733
>Well i believe ner'zul is alive in draenor
Nah, he died.
>his spirit is within the armor of the lich King
He's gone. Echos of him and Arthas remain in some shard of Frostmourne, but that's all.
>>46434765
That's why you never stop playing WoW you miss the new lore stuff...is gul'dan alive or did illidan find the new and improved living skull of gul'dan and steal that one. Because a fresh skull of gul'dan is probably pretty powerful.
>>46431235
Warcraft...has changed.
>>46427745
With the news of the scourge coming back to fight the legion, I imagine he will be in attendance kicking ass and being a sarcastic bastard. I'm sure Darion and Tirion (if a horseman) cant wait to be under his comand
>>46434822
>is gul'dan alive
Yes.
>illidan
Illidan is currently dead.
>>46432152
Knowing the character, I think he is satisfied with his current position as number2 within the scourge. Although, I can see him taking the power to prevent someone like Sylvannis from getting it.
Whats it going to take for him to regain his previous seat on Dalaran's council of six?
>>46432422
Tirion escaping from the block of ice was literally just DM fiat
if Nazgrim really is one of the Horsemen, he'd better say "tip of the Scourge spear, no greater honour"
>>46434992
He is banned forever
>>46435464
What if he saves everyone in a daring and snarky way? They can't still be mad about that whole Archimonde thing. Plus think of the benefits of having more immortal members that you can't get rid of?
>>46431184
I don't think we're going to go out into space to just start genociding everything and blow up worlds. There are countless worlds out in the great dark that could be infested, not just Azeroth. I'm pretty sure we've been doing well enough with our Azerothian infestation, unless new Old God reinforcements are hurtling through space on a trajectory for Azeroth.
There's still a chance that there are other worlds with world-souls out there and we wouldn't even know where to begin looking.
>>46435527
BANNED. FOREVEEEERRRRRR.
I wonder if Sylvanas had hate-sex with Zul'rogg's corpse
>>46435697
"Dear Jaina,
Heeeey girl, this working for ya? Can I join your club? Check yes or no :3
Love,
Kelly
P.S Arthas says hello"
>>46435999
>Arthas says hello
guaranteed to put sand in her vagina
>>46435999
"Busy dismantling horde.
Pd cold"
>>46436124
"Lol, been there. We should compare notes ;) "
>>46434921
>Illidan is currently dead.
Until the Legion reveal.
>>46436396
Nah, he's dead in Legion too.
I'm sure he'll be back eventually, but dead is dead.
>>46434822
>>46434921
The Gul'Dan in Legion is the one that was chilling out in Shadowmoon Valley in Warlords of Draenor, he had never been to Azeroth prior to Legion.
>>46436437
>dead is dead
fuck off Ben
>>46424447
Nigga''s dead dead if anything they'll just ask Bolvar to getc the undead to help
>>46436437
>dead is dead
>Implying Kel'Thuzad won't raise him as the fifth horseman because he thought it would be funny
>>46436573
>>Implying Kel'Thuzad won't raise him
It's almost certain to be Gul'dan bringing him back.
>>46436607
That would be gay/10
>>46436607
I completely forgot about WoD Gul'dan. Now I want to see if Illidan will make it 2 for 2 and eat this one's skull as well.
So are the other hooks of villains just irrelevant now?
Will we never take down Azhara in her underwater kingdom?
>>46437028
>Will we never take down Azshara in her underwater kingdom
Probably not unless she comes to the surface or Blizz decides to update Vashj'ir.
>>46437256
I unironically liked Vash'jir. It was annoying to navigate with 2d minimap, but it was a cool change of pace.
It's a shame people hated it so much that nothing like that will ever happen again.
>>46432712
Night elf society was pretty much an oligarchy ruled by the dragon flights through their puppets Malfurion and Tyrande. The males were kept in check by becoming druids and having to hibernate in the Emerald Dream while the females were strictly controlled in a military organization.
>>46437310
I quite liked it, too. My only gripes with it were the lack of plot closure, the mobs' ridiculous spawn rate on release, and the enemy aggro radii.
>>46437310
it was better than Hyjal and Deepholm, but Uldum was the only *good* zone in Cata
>>46436437
>dead is dead.
Not in Warcraft, it's not.
Especially Illidan has habit of getting better.
>>46437629
It would be pretty lame if they rezzed Arthas
>>46438625
Hah. Yeah, that would be.
How about alternate timeline paladin Arthas though?
>>46438673
Why not just have it be a mirror of what happened to Orc hitler?
Arthas's ghost becomes king of Stormwind.
He tries to kick the dwarves,elves, and others races out.
Gets an artifact becomes a raid boss.
Gets defeated and escapes in a time machine
Alternate future where
A. Dark portal was never created.
B. Orcs were genocided in Warcraft 3.
Instead of the iron horde you get THE HOLY ALLIANCE. Scarlett Crusade 2.0
>>46438817
That's silly. I'm all for recycling of ham and cheese and corn, but this would be like mocking the players.
>>46438817
>He tries to kick the dwarves,elves, and others races out.
Was pre-Death Knight Arthas even racist? He seemed perfectly fine hanging around elves and dwarves in WC3. IIRC, he was even downright friendly with the riflemen you encounter in Blackrock and Roll.
>>46438980
Arthas was never racist. He just got twisted by his anger, and then finished by Frostmourne'sedge.
>>46438980
>Was pre-Death Knight Arthas even racist?
No, he was friends with Muradin.
>>46438964
>>46438980
I'm trying to write the way Metzen does. I think I'm missing corruption here...
>>46429924
There were plans for an entire underground zone that would have been the Nerubian Empire if I'm not mistaken. It never made it to retail, but if I had to hazard a guess for how expansive the underground of Azeroth is, I would say something rather massive, though there aren't many entrances into it.
The Dark Iron kingdom, Molten Core, and the Nerubian kingdom are the only real "massive" places beneath Azeroth's crust.Also given that the Void is the new "big bad" I assume the ending of Legion will be us killing Sargeras and then in his dying breath revealing that the Void is the real evil, setting up for a Void expansion. Fingers crossed for ethereals then.
>>46438673
I thought the alt dreanor only created an alt dreanor, so theres only one arthas. If not, whats stopping others (kel'thuzad, sylvannis, varian ect.) From going to the alt azeroth and doing shenanigans?
>>46439402
all those time dragons breh.
>>46439436
Fucking Bronze Dragons are about as effective as Bronze-ranked teammates in Starcraft.
>>46427289
One of the few newer races I like.
>>46439402
I heard that there's only alt-Draenor.
But maybe alt-Azeroth is simply just ignored. In-lore there's no reason to bother it, and OOC it is a resource that can be used in future expansions.
>>46439100
Isn't this just an april joke though?
>>46439500
That's why they hire adventurers to handle all the heavy lifting.
>>46439551
No, that one seems to be real.
>>46439114
Whever happened to the Goblin Capital? No, not the racial starting zone, I'm referring to Undermine. Did they ever do anything with that or No?
>>46440021
IIRC Undermine was a tunnel complex under Kezan, so it was probably either destroyed or heavily damaged by Deathwing
>>46439114
>Legion will be us killing Sargeras
Sargeras will be next expansion the soonest. If they can squeeze out another expansion on half the content, why wouldn't they?
>>46440577
>>46439114
I don't think we'll be killing Sargeras, ever. We didn't even get to kill Kil'jaeden, and he is step below him.
I guess there could be Sargeras-themed raid encounter, like with sunwell.
So do you guys really still play retail?
>>46441368
nah. there is no point anymore man.
See, if they had legacy servers, I would.
>>46441368
shamefully, yes
>>46430265
>Arthas will return as void cyborg raid boss in some future void expansion
You cannot stop it
>>46441492
A weapon to surpass Frostmourn
>>46441368
Not playing at all. But I'm thinking about hitting a private RP server or, if none of them look any good, even hit up retail for a month or so. A few bucks for a week or two fun seems fair enough to me.
>>46431250
The room Whitemane emerges from at the end of Scarlet Monastery
>>46441826
oh cool.
>>46439114
>The Dark Iron kingdom, Molten Core, and the Nerubian kingdom are the only real "massive" places beneath Azeroth's crust.
As far as we know. Those giant Old God maw things had to have come from somewhere, and there's apparently a ton of Faceless Ones below the layer the Nerubians live on. If they wanted to make an underground expansion they could probably do it, and even give it plenty of different environments depending on what fiction they borrow their ideas from.
They could even shove Dark Trolls down there.
Though perhaps it's not as WoW Lore as much as it is in-game discussion, what do you guys think of a Goblin Casino City in the Undermine to gamble, play mini-games, and RP? Casino-only currency can be used, a good excuse to use current Goblin architecture and designs, and lots of sweet, sexy_Goblin_Pole dancers all around.
More ideas on the topic:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20741924143#1
>>46442737
pretty novel.
thus it will never be implemented.
>tfw 3 of the 4 horsemen are human
Fucking faggots should have brought back Zul'Jin
>>46442951
>Cool Knights
>Ruin them with sub-humans
No.
>>46425823
>>There are three KNOWN Islands west of Kalimdor and well off the coast.
Isn't the map in WoW just one half of the world of Azeroth?
>>46443004
Calm down, Garithos
>>46443004
Because we don't have enough kewl knights already
>>46443056
Kinda of. The other half is of forbidden zone, or something like that.
>>46443093
Exactly, it's all faggot mages and sparkledins now.
Sub-humans need not apply to the Elite of the Ebon Blade.
So, if we're discussing the viability of Warcraft as an RPG setting, how would you handle the god-like entities and their relationship to mortals?
>>46427289
Ethereals are cool, but what about Naga?
>>46443149
They're really not that god like. Everything except a Titan has been punked by mortals.
>>46443149
we mong them for loot
>>46443004
>humanfag
>talking about how sub-humans aren't allowed
>for a group of UNDEAD warriors who were originally introduced into lore as being the souls of orc warlocks placed in human bodies
>>46443127
>literally created by the ghost of an orc
>proud to be human
Ok then
>>46443230
They're worshiped by the Vrykul and other titan-forged and can create their own planes or afterlives.
>>46443248
Anyhow, I didn't ask how you think Blizzard would handle them. I asked how you would handle them. Of course they're going to be loot bags in-game, whether it's as questgivers or bosses.
We've got Naaru, Wild Gods, powerful undead spirits, Titan Keepers, and Old Gods, to name a few. We also used to have Dragon Aspects, but someone got rid of them.
Anyhow, I feel the game setting sort of limits the ways in which they can be portrayed. So would you just ignore their existence, or would you find a use for them?
>>46443390
Good thing they improved the formula.
>>46443431
Frankly if it's not a human, an orc, and elf or maybe a dwarf it should be relegated to comedy status and shat on mercilessly.
>>46443466
>humans
>orcs
>fucking elves
Why only the worst races?
Also,
>Dorfs
>not comedy
>>46443461
>Anyhow, I feel the game setting sort of limits the ways in which they can be portrayed. So would you just ignore their existence, or would you find a use for them?
I'd generally not have them show up as enemies unless the players manage to recruit an equally divine ally or other special means to counter them.
>>46443461
>They're worshiped by the Vrykul and other titan-forged and can create their own planes or afterlives.
And they can get the shit beaten out of them by mortals.
>>46443565
woah there, fag
i agree with you on elves, but don't speak ill of the stout folk
>>46443565
>Why only the worst races?
They're the best. Better than the shitty meme races by far.
>Dorfs
>not comedy
Never said they weren't, but they can do better.
>>46443056
>>46443116
THe Map in WoW is subject to constant change, but generally people didn't know what was west of Kalimdor.//East of EK, yet here the Mortal-made globe shows three islands.
>>46443631
Yes, but we're Azeroth's greatest heroes in the MMO. Of course the greatest heroes of the world can challenge these godlike beings, and of course it would be made trivial in an MMO.
>>46443620
Well, that's an actual serious answer. I'm not really too interested in fighting them as I feel most gods should maintain a certain distance.
However, I'm more interested in their cultural roles and activity throughout the world. In WoW, they just sit there unmoving and wait for the player to interact with them so they can hand out a quest or start the fight. How would you actually integrate them as active parts in the setting?
I would have loved for one of the Four Horsemen to be a gnome, just to fuck with everybody.
There'd be a collective "what the fuck" echoing across the official Story forums, fansites, etc. MMOChamp's shitposting brigade would have a field day both defending and hating it, pissing at one another endlessly.
It would be a thing of beauty.
Do you guys still listen to the soundtrack and feel nostalgic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFr_qqOp54
Like old terokkar forest with the organs makes the little me cry.
