The case of the missing General edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Feedback on this Crimson fist list?
HQ Pedro Kantor: 185
Elites:
Honor Guard 235 + Drop Pod = 270 (going with pedro)
SternGuard 10 man 4 Combimeltas + Heavy flamer + Drop pod = 315
SternGuard 10 man + 4 Combimeltas + drop pod = 295
Troops:
2 10 man Tac squads = 280 + 70 for transport
Heavy Support
StormRaven w/ meltas =200
Centurion Dev w/ grav = 240
Obviously the honor guard is the weakest point in the list but I love those guys
>>46157323
Could use a drop pod for those Cents
>>46157323
It's a generic SM list
Couple questions:
What transport are the Tacts taking? I'm assuming Pods
Are the Centurions catching a ride in the Raven?
If so, I feel that's your weak point the Cents are a big danger and if bad reserves go, you might end up without nearly 500pts (plus the 350pts of Tacts if you are going pods)
But still a good, if generic, list
>>46157464
Spooky.
>>46157323
>>46157429
>>46157433
I would put a tactical unit in the Storm Raven and give te Cents a FA drop pod. You want your Cents in early to get off a solid Alpha Strike, while Tacticals can come in later and grab objectives.
>>46157563
D GHOST
But seriously as whole army painted in such an ethereal manner would look sweet
>>46157433
>>46157429
Tacs were going to go in rhinos so I'd have something on the board at the start. As for the Centurions, can they take a drop pod? In the codex I'm only seeing land raiders as a transport option. New to SMs here, correct me if I'm wrong
Post yfw Logan grimnar returns leading 1000 wulfen after spending 500 years in the warp and wrecks the shit out of the dark Angels rock, wakes up the Lion and then has a grand feast with him and his new bro inquisitor with the arco flagellant and jokareo magic act
Then they roast the inquisitor's lite black clad battle sister
>>46157671
Fast Attack drop pod
So do any marine players ever run vehicle squadrons of 3 for the bonuses? I've been looking to include some but there always seem to be better options. Which is a shame because I could field a shitton of them otherwise
>>46157725
Yiffs branded heretics when?
>>46157671
Take a Fast Attack slot Drop Pod for Centurions
Just because they can't take a drop pod as a Dedicated transport doesn't mean they can't get in one.
That does bring you to the issue of having 6 drop pods if you do that.
Meaning only 3 comes in auto (Honor Guard + 2 Stern)
You could try to skim some points to turn 1x10 man Tact into 2x5 Tacts each with a pod bringing you to 7, meaning the Cents come in T1 as well
>>46157808
Whirlwinds are good bonus (especially in the Artillery formation, they basically become SM wyverns)
Predators I'd rather run in single units
Vindicators are silly and gimicky and I personally love it
Hunter/Stalkers - No comment
Land Speeders - Hell no, solo skimmers for days
>yfw even more Khorne models incoming.
>>46157942
I wish I could run cruise missiles as a Dangel
>>46157840
>GK stern vouchsafes them
>inquisitor vouchsafes them
Note - looks like changeling will at some point in the next 7 short stories attack the inquisitor under the guise of mendaxis
Likely at the same time stern boards the Rock after getting a ship off the fang
So dark Angels have been acting on information from a major tzeentch daemon
Dark angel homos are the one getting purged
Also note - it's cannon that wulfen can control and reverse the change
Compare that to the tolerated black dragons with their bone spurs and Ravenguard and salamanders colour mutations
Add in some new fluff that will show the emperor knew and tolerated the wulfen
Looks like the homos are the baddies just Christian crusaders
>>46157942
WW are nice(and the ones I'd be most likely to run) but for a few points more I can take two TFCs which is pretty tempting
I agree vindis are fun as fuck, and I love them, but I can;t see why I'd take 3 when for the same price I could get a Typhon
I'm seriously considering taking up 30k as well now there's a RoW that lets you take dakka preds as troops, just worried that the list turns out to be super broken and all the players hate me.
>>46158039
I actually like that model. Dude's got a helmet and a meteor hammer.
Probably the only AoS khorne hero I like.
>>46158121
What, so every attending chapter is fine except the homos?
>>46158121
All mutants and heretics. Sentence: Death.
>>46158240
Marines malevolent are also homos
Also lots of homo successor chapters
>>46158340
And the imperial fists, and the ultramarines, and other stranger ones.
>>46158241
Make up your mind about librarians first m8
Oh and what happened to the other 1000 black Templars suddenly you are 1200?
In fact I hear your helbrecht was let off by a newcron - sound like collaboration with xenos you fucking traitor shit
>>46158121
Stern vouchsafes them
I would have used a different word. Like "blackmailed."
>Inquisitor vouchsafes them
>You can't just burn a planet
>It'll kill the daemons without hurting the Wolves
>You can't just burn a planet
>Do you have any better ideas?
>...you can't just burn a planet
Calls himself an Inquisitor and then tries to stop daemons being purged with holy fire.
>It's canon that Wulfen can control and reverse the change.
I'm sure the Wolves currently mutating into slavering beasts will be glad to hear it. That will still be canon when it happens in the story, but there's been no sign of it thus far.
>>46158369
American reading comprehension at work here
“While civilian losses are regrettable,’ de Mornay made a point of glancing at Asmodai, ‘I was referring more to the burning of an entire Great Company of your fellow Adeptus Astartes.’
‘Fire-bombing Midgardia will not damage its underground habitats,’ Azrael said. ‘And that was Grimnar’s last recorded location. If by the Emperor’s will he yet lives, he will be unharmed.’
‘And when he emerges he’ll be stranded in a toxic ash waste.’
‘If you have an alternative suggestion, Lord Inquisitor, by all means share it. I would have thought that as a member of His Holy Ordos you would have rejoiced at the mass annihilation of mankind’s darkest foes.’
‘Rest assured, nothing pleases me more,’ de Mornay said. ‘But less so if the victory comes at the price of one of the Imperium’s greatest leaders.’
‘I never thought I would live to hear the Inquisition praising Logan Grimnar.’
‘Times can change, Azrael. A”
Excerpt From: MacNiven, Robbie. “The Lost King.” iBooks.
>>46158368
Imotehk always pulls that shit. He doesn't kill any enemy he can maim.
And didn't Helbrecht drop his ship into a star in retaliation?
>>46158368
Rambling nonsense under the influence of Chaos. Heretical. Prepare to be purged.
>>46158403
Black Templars were in rogue trader but they only got a codex and fluff when GW pushed into Poland and other Slav countries
So Templars are the Slavs of the imperium - lazy drunk closet homos who collaborate with the Russian/xenos hordes
Their chapter tactic is basically ork horde / chaos horde Zerg tactics
>>46158164
Thunderfire Cannons are nice. I just don't own any, so I always forget they exist.
Only thing Whirlwinds really have on them is they can move and shoot.
Wow, Typhon is much better than Vindicator x 3. Only thing they have is you can always fire three S10 AP2 Large Blasts if you want.
>>46157464
...I herd you like blades so I put a blade on yo blade?
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Games Workshop is taking FAQ requests.
>>46158399
That "A" at the end better be his better idea being cut off, then. There's no argument here but "I can't suck Grimnar's cock if there's poison on it." Inquisitors have burned worlds for less than being covered in daemons at greater cost.
>>46158472
>Implying
>>46158451
Not convinced you're in any position to be throwing stones about drunkeness.
>>46158491
“es can change, Azrael. As can the topic of conversation. What were you doing on Nurades?’
Azrael’s jaw clenched.
‘We were purging one of the Emperor’s worlds of daemonic infestation.’
‘And just how many daemons did you banish there? Did the Wolves leave any for you? An entire Lion’s Blade Strike Force deployed to cleanse an infestation that had been wiped out days earlier?’
‘Is this a line of questioning, or just an opportunity for gross insults? Your grudge-bearing does you no credit, de Mornay. I don’t need to humour you, not even for a moment.’
‘What were you looking for in the polar ruins, Azrael? What were your Scouts guarding?’
‘That squad was inserted ahead of our main strike force. If you have any real questions, de Mornay, I suggest you start by asking the Wolves how they died. That is what we first came here to redress.’
‘There is no evidence the Wolves have attacked Imperial citizens.”
“Can the same be said of your Chapter, Azrael?’
‘Their monsters butchered a squad of my Tenth Company,’ Azrael snapped, his reserve finally eroded. ‘We have pict footage of it.’
‘Shame you don’t also have footage of how the sole survivor of said butchering disappeared,’ de Mornay shot back. ‘And from within the depths of this very fortress-monastery no less. Something here is not what it seems.’ The inquisitor’s gaze swung across the bridge, lingering on the communications pit where Mendaxis was bending low to review a spool of data parchment.
‘Choose your next words carefully, de Mornay.’
‘I smell the reek of the warp here, Azrael.”
Is this the right thread for 32k stuff (aka just fuck the whole canon up:the series)
What are the odds that some Iron Warriors will join the Fists?
>>46158490
>People asking them if SW dreads get A4 and BA get grav weapons and WS/BS4 scouts
Fuck's sake. That's not RAW/RAI uncertainty, that's just trying to get more shiny toys under the guise of a FAQ.
I see people have asked about thunderwolf strength and blitz brigade turn 1 charges though, so maybe those will finally get put to bed sowe have to find something else to argue about.
>>46158547
Well now we're getting somewhere. And the Changeling's slipping if an Inquisitor can spot him, he's walked right up to Stern before.
>GAMES WORKSHOP IS DOING ITS FIRST OFFICIAL 4OK FAQ IN YEARS ON NORMIEBOOK
>GAMES WORKSHOP IS DOING ITS FIRST OFFICIAL 4OK FAQ IN YEARS ON NORMIEBOOK
>GAMES WORKSHOP IS DOING ITS FIRST OFFICIAL 4OK FAQ IN YEARS ON NORMIEBOOK
>GAMES WORKSHOP IS DOING ITS FIRST OFFICIAL 4OK FAQ IN YEARS ON NORMIEBOOK
So I'm finally getting into 7th edition and I'm reading the 7th SM codex and suddenly the old statline for sergeants is an upgrade I have to BUY? What the fuck?
>>46158691
>No link
>>46158458
Move and shoot WWs is pretty good, although since they're barrage they should probably never need to. I really wish AA missles from FW where an upgrade like regular missiles launchers and not a replacement :/
As for the vindis the three normal shots is nice, but I'd still give the Typhon the edge due to ignores cover. My vindis get fucked over by ruins so damned often
>>46158490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFmuO6xJ36g
>>46158696
Better than being a mandatory upgrade that they have to take (like Militarum Tempestus' Scions and GK's power armour marines)
>>46158705
it's on facebook.com
>>46158696
At least you have the option on whether to spend those 10 points, loyalist.I just realised most of talking about 40k is like that thing on tumblr where they argue over who's the most unprivileged and fucked over.
What size magnets do you guys use to magnetise XV8 Crisis Suits?
Miniwarhaming suggested 3mmx1.5mm (1/8" x 1/16") and I retardely bought them before watching videos where people are using smaller magnets (albeit on the older kits). I'm having a hard time finding a hand drill thing that will fix the fucking drillbit over 2.9mm that isn't from China
>>46158696
If you're referring to the 5th ed where the Vet Sergeant upgrade was built into the unit's cost, now it's a voluntary 10 point upgrade as opposed to being forced to have it.
>>46158711
Oh I agree with both points.
My meta is pretty casual with a lot of melee. Where my Whirlwinds are usually driving away from danger so I can only imagine the TFC being effectively immobilized
Also the Typhon can't get immobilized, weapon destroyed, and/or lose the ignore cover profile.
>>46158726
scions like the extra leadership for orders
Just a shame he can't use a rifle of some kind.
>>46158726
>>46158764
OH DARN, MANDATORY +1 LD AND +1A I'M SO ANGRY ABOUT IT
But seriously, without his different statline, the sergeant is just a guy who can happen to take melee weapons.
>>46158744
>All these questions that can be answered by reading the rules
Holy shit everyone on facebook is brain-dead.
>>46158829
And guess what questions are going to be answered in the FAQ!
>>46158829
>Holy shit everyone on facebook is brain-dead
>>46158821
Idk about you, but I don't find +1A or +1 Ld is worth 10pts
>>46158490
How do I make this a usable link.
>>46158909
add .com/ after the facebook bit
EVERYONE GET IN HERE
>>46158821
>the sergeant is just a guy who can happen to take melee weapons.
I think you mean combi-weapons
>>46158952
>still no link
>>46158952
Let's make "Can you squat Stormcast Eternals?" the number one most frequently asked question.
>>46158821
And a combi-weapon. That's what you use tacticals For anyway, drop out of their transport and use their melta/plasma/grav, the bolters are added value, therefore the +1A is not something you want if you have to pay it.
And They Shall Know No Fear makes the Ld rarely an issue and thete you have it, those 10 points per squad are an actual dwcision to make.
>>46158975
>thinking I don't take combi weapons
Come on. The best thing that happened to me was when my assault on black reach sergeant's pointer finger broke off. Glued a combiplas right on that shit.
>>46158952
this art is decent what is going on?
Do Forge World rules still have stigma around using them, or are most people happy to have you play with them these days?
I haven't played since fifth edition, but I remember no one using Forge World shit back then
>>46158994
Or better yet:
"Why did you make the Eldar and Tau so OP?"
"Would it kill you to fix Orks?"
"Why did Cruddance make the Nids suck?"
>>46158876
Implying everyone on tg isn't >>46158909
>>46159023
So much this
>>46158985
It's on their fayzebuuk page
>>46158985
4chan doesn't let you post long links as it tags them as spam
Go check naftka for a direct link you lazy American piece of shit
>>46158985
see
>>46158490
>>46159045
>Implying everyone anywhere on 4chan isn't
>>46159060
Bonus points if "SoB update when" is spammed enough to make GW shut down their Facebook.
>>46159087
seriously though, when
>>46159011
gw is hiring out a lot of artists with short time lines so they get a wide array of artwork
>>46159017
oldfags still get uppity about forgeworld but in 2017 with eldar being OP, D weapons uncommon, decurion, supplements, and you can go unbound.
>>46159087
when it's done
>>46159087
>Gw finally does something we've all been begging them to do for years
>Whiney faggots ruin it
wouldn't surprise me desu
CSM 7e when?
>>46159071
you can literally post that link into google and get the right link.
>>46159023
>When are you going to remove point costs?
>>46159105
never.
>>46159111
I never thought I'd see new artwork I liked. I more stunned about the art then the faq.
>>46159149
what if the artwork is so bad it's good?
I suppose this is as good a place as any, so I'm making an =][= team and I'm planning my acolytes. I've been thinking carapace armor, but if I want to give one a plasma gun, should I spring for power armor in case it gets hot?
At 120 points on a regular dread, or 145 on a venerable, is a 2x TL Autocannon dread worth running?
>>46159149
M8 there's people who post about 40k rules and fluff who only get their knowledge from tg
Literally you can find people posting about how they left the game for 10 years and asking tg of all people what happened - and people who can't be arsed to download the books from the links and want to be spoonfed
>>46159263
They're 4pts a piece. Armoring them at all is sort of a waste. Unless you're doing it for purely fluffy reasons.
R8 my 2k Chaos Daemons list
Kairos Fateweaver (300pts)
Warlord
Skarbarand (225pts)
Troops (450pts)
20x Bloodletters, Icon of Chaos, Bloodreaper w/ Lesser Daemonic Reward
20x Bloodletters, Icon of Chaos, Bloodreaper w/o Lesser Daemonic Reward
Fast Attack (145pts)
5x Furies
5x Furies
3x Screamers
HQ (320pts)
Daemonic Heralds-
Herald of Tzeentch w/ Exalted Daemonic Reward, Psyker Level 3
Herald of Tzeentch w/o Exalted Daemonic Reward, Psyker Level 3
Herald of Tzeentch
Psyker Level 2
Troops (415pts)
20x Bloodletters, Icon of Chaos, Bloodreaper w/ Lesser Daemonic Reward
Icon of Chaos, 20x Pink Horrors
Fast Attack (145pts)
5x Furies
5x Furies
3x Screamers
>>46159023
>>46159060
>>46159087
So, somebody troll comment, post your comment here so we know what to ctrl+f for
>fatguys reveal their true personas on FB
>their walls get buried in horse cocks
>>46159304
Yeah Rifleman Dreads are pretty decent.
Just think of them as a slightly shootier but less tough Predator.
Easier to hide in cover as well.
>>46159148
Kindly submit your question to GW >>46158490 and wait 3 weeks for a reply :)
Hey, I'm making a Renegades and Heretics list, and was wondering. Should I give my Grenadiers a Chimera as a dedicated transport, or go for a Valkyrie instead? They're outfitted with melta bombs, carapace armour and hellguns with a power sword on the champion.
The Hammers of Dorn are far better than the Ultrasmurfs.
The Hammers of Dorn have now commandeered this thread in the name of the Emperor, and Rogal Dorn!
Look upon their Glorious color scheme, and extreme Loyalty!
>>46159590
Probably a valkyrie, can perform a drop and kill some marines or secure a backfield objective.
>>46159540
It's incredibly shit.
You've taken enough models to take the Daemoncurion but you aren't taking it.
Bletters are also the worst daemon troop unit you can possibly field.
Only viable way to field as many of them as you are and do well is the speshul Daemonkin formation that lets units come back on a 4+ once they die.
>>46159225
I have you know Papa Sang's dancing ability rivals that of the Emperor himself.
>>46158490
All these people fucking asking for ITC to be clarified.
>>46158821
They refunded the points for the veteran bonus. If you buy it again it's like it was never changed.
>post yfw predators get the upgraded autocannon from the Horus Heresy, but BA and Chaos don't get them
>>46159629
Thanks. Also, second question. What would you recommend as the specialization for a squad of Marauders? I was thinking either Hereteks or Murder Cult, but Stalker seems fine too. I honestly can't decide.
>>46159714
>post yfw Chaos players complaining again
>>46159658
Oh jesus i didn't even think about that. They are going to get a bunchof questions that has nothing to do with their rules. I don't envy that guys job
>>46159263
Acolyte w/ Carapace and Plasmagun has a 8.33% chance of dying per shot and costs 18 pts
Acolyte w/ Power armour and Plasmagun has a 5.56% chance of dying per shot and costs 24pts
Is 6 pts worth improving your survival by 2.78%?
>Disclaimer: my math may be wrong
>>46159714
>Loyalists continue to get more HH era stuff than Chaos Marines
Talk about choosing the wrong side.
>>46159796
Yeah you can tell they kind of gave up after the first 20 or so replies.
The started out replying to comments like "hey, only 1 question edit your post!" or "Hey, thats forgeworld, we'll forward it to them" or stuff like that.. then 50 posts later you have guys posting like 5 questions or asking them to review ITC or asking for codex updates and there's no response from the GW facebook guy
>>46159540
>actually using furies
>20 units
>CAD and ally of same book
err anon this really needs some work. you're running too many lesser daemons that won't do much. those bloodletters won't make it to combat like that and you gave them upgrades. min troops or incursion is the way to go
>>46159714
>chaos instead gets havoc autocannons at 30 points
>>46159647
it's okay blood angel, but shouldn't you be defending baal instead of your primarch? only 1 is living
>>46159610
Just look at all this loyalty!
Ok so here's a rules question that seems pointless but only really benefits Tzeentch.
Rules for Harbinger of Tzeetnch, like for all the other gods, states that units from the formation within 12" are effected by whatever Locus the Herald has and it stacks if they're already under the effect of a Locus.
Does this let you stack two of the same Loci?
Would only really work well with Locus of Conjuration, but if it does it means you can stack +3S on Tzeentch powers meaning S8 Flickering fire and even then, it would only take effect when it's the Pink Horrors themselves casting.
>>46159832
>black armour
>topknot
>brass trim
I'd be careful around any Inquisitors if I were you.
Ok, another dumb Dreadnought question: If they buy a missile launcher, does it come with Flakk missiles included? It doesn't specify in the Codex, but for other units it specifies 'with frag and krak'.
>>46159875
I believe this is a debated topic
>>46159875
can't stack loci like that. loci of the same level don't do that. +2 strength is still good
>>46159875
actually someone with facebook submit this to the FAQ pls.
>>46159903
If the missile launcher weapon profile has all 3 in it by default and does not say "must buy flakk", then all missile launchers come with all 3 profiles by default, unless specified otherwise
>>46159903
It comes with frag and krak to start, I think. Been a while since I checked though.
>>46159875
>Does this let you stack two of the same Loci?
Yeah you can, if you have two loci they benefit from both.
>>46159928
Yeah I've just stumbled on the debate on dakkadakka.
>>46159936
>loci of the same level don't do that
Where does it say this though?
It only says it in the part of the rules which the Harbinger of Tzeentch rule says you ignore.
>>46159903
You're not going to get Skyfire with a normal Dreadnought, instead just take a Mortis Pattern Dreadnought from IA2. It costs 20 points more, and can dual-wield either Lascannons or Missile Launchers, and it gains the ability to voluntarily choose whether it has Skyfire-interceptor each turn.
Because nothing says fuck flyers better than a rifleman with quad-lascannons blowing fighters out of the sky before they even get to shoot.
Has it ever been discussed what happens to space marine recruits that dont make the cut? Wasn't it something like 1 space marine for every 1000 recruits or something crazy like that?
I'd imagine not every recruit dying in training, some might just not be mentally strong enough or get fed up with the chapter. Do they just execute them or is there literally millions of failed space marines all over the imperium? Might make an interesting rpg character if we ever decide to visit the setting with my d&d group.
>>46159903
Unless it says otherwise you would get access to all of the firing profiles on it.
>>46159946
That was my reading, but applying mtg-style logic to 40k rules is where madness lies.
>>46159961
Doesn't specify in the relevant entries.
>>46159974
Wasn't intending to take it, just something I spotted that seemed vague and poorly worded. Could have an edge-case use I guess.
>inb4 'of course, you were reading rules by GW'
>>46159965
doesn't it say that in the daemon book? otherwise i can't argue against it
>>46160023
servitors if they're not recoverable or usable and serfs if they can still be useful
>>46158821
>nothing actually changed other than gaining an option
>get mad
Fuck off, retard. We need less of your kind here.
>>46160044
I remember looking this up recently. I think there was some blurb that says Missile Launchers have Frag and Krak unless specified otherwise.
That seems like the safest answer to go with anyway.
>>46159902
What are you saying, Citizen? The Hammers of Dorn are extremely loyal, and follow the Codex Astartes even better than the Ultrasmurfs!
>>46159831
Yes but I can do both.
>>46159738
I run mine as stalkers with sniper rifles but its rather suboptimal. Probably as murder cultists for an elite assault unit to take down small squads of specialists like devastators or heavy weapons teams.
>>46160074
>PAULDRONS
>>46159540
Make sure to list all of the options you aren't taking next time.
>>46160044
>>46160089
Here it is, from the Space Marine codex
>>46160089
>All missile launchers come with frag and krak missiles as standard, and some have the
option to upgrade to include flakk missiles
In the Big Rulebook, you're right.
Anybody have a link to the Dark Eldar painting guide? I didn't see it in the databases anywhere. I don't even play DE, so it's hardly worth what BL is asking.
>>46159831
>>46160151
Typo
>>46159641
Thanks for the input.
As far as the Incursion goes, I don't have the rules for it and from what I can find it seems not that great as it has massive requirements and only okay choices.
I've never run Furies before but sending in screamers to bust vehicles and sponge shots first turn works surprisingly well.
Also the lesser reward is for the axe of Khorne and the icons of course to avoid scattering summoned units.
I would feel like a douche running more than two MCs any who.
Is running minimal units really that good for Daemons?
>>46158763
I use 3mm by 1mm.
My old citadel hand drill fits a 3mm drill bit fine.
One of each hand and two on each shoulder.
>>46160160
That isn't in the Space Marine Codex.
>>46159658
HI GARY
>>46160023
They become serfs. The only figures that I've seen for aspirant success rates come from Bile bragging about how he's improved the loyalist ratio for on 1 in 100 to 1 in 1000 for Chaos Marines.
>>46160229
>brag about harsher recruitment standards
>chaos marines are still noticeably worse
fabius bile is kind of a joke
>>46160198
It's in the digital one
>>46160265
My mistake: It ain't in the hard copy one.
>>46160262
Entirely due to GW being a bunch of jobbers.
Ideally we'd have three Chaos marine statlines. Legionnaires, Renegades, and Bile's new men.
>>46159658
>All these people fucking asking for ITC to be clarified
Why would you waste time clarifying house rules?
>>46159126
Yup, this is why npc-factions deserve their codicies.
>>46160303
>Bile's new men are marines with S5 and animosity
>>46160262
>Bile's throughput is so slow that the only time you see Marines made by his hand are the 'enhanced' ones you get with his special rules.
Can MCs be stomped?
>>46160303
They could have Bile's new recruits as a baseline, being basically crappy marines, possibly without even higher WS/BS from lack of training.
Then you could upgrade them to Renegades for something more similar to the current level, or Legionaires for something higher up.
>>46160074
>doesn't it say that in the daemon book? otherwise i can't argue against it
the book doesn't really influence the ruling at all.
The rule hinges on what "another" refers to - whether it means any other Locus or a Locus of a different type.
I'd argue that RAW it currently means any other as if it meant only different Locus' then writing "different" would express that clearly whilst making no difference to how the rules work.
It's not as strong as it seems though.
Only pink horrors can get +3S on their powers and being BS3 and only ML1 it's not nearly as strong as if a Herald could get it.
That said, S8 means no FnP for T4 which side-steps the main hiccup of Tzeentch witchfires.
>>46160378
>Bile has mastered all sorts of dark arts
>legit cloned Horus
>has even more exacting selection procedures than Loyalists
Are you stupid? Why would his guys be worse?
is there a limit to how many times you can make a unit take a blind test each turn?
>>46160442
>mastered
Has he though? I thought his creations still tended to go mad and/or explode.
>>46160442
I figured that those would basically be the bottom of the barrel rejects that he'd be passing out to other people, saving the sweet strength 5 marines for himself.
This also wouldn't be inferior genetics either, it'd be them being 'new' and thus having WS/BS 3 like how scouts used to have, with the excuse being that Chaos wouldn't be training people as strictly.
Then, start them off without power armor and you can basically justify them being 7 or 8 points each, and then you can build your ideal Chaos Marine from there.
>>46160356
yes
>>46160386
so it would double out t4, but you're still going to be giving warpflame to your targets
>>46159583
And they can move and shoot, predator can only shoot 1 weapon, others snapshot. Also can at least tie something in melee.
*Mandatory*CSM*of*course*do*not*get*to*have*them*rant*
>>46159821
Shouldn't have let the dark mechanicum spend all their time sticking daemons in it then
>>46160538
Eh, Forgeworld has some options for them with double missile launchers, or lascannon/missile.
You can get shooty dreads if you want them.
>>46159831
>Not using furies
>Implying 20 with MoS isn't the most under rated assault monster on the planet
You're gonna roll some 6s, I guarantee it.
>>46160442
Just because the process is more deadly doesn't make the end result objectively better. You'd still get S4 T4 W1 Marines because they're already the best and since the Cursed Foundings, Loyalists probably run stringency tolerances of less than 0.1%. That 1 in 100 potentiates reach this standard means the Loyalists' method is more reliable and repeatable.
>>46159903
Unfortunatly no,the rulebook says, that you only get flakk-missiles as upgrade, p177.
>>46160538
Anon, CSM are an NPC faction. They aren't allowed to have nice toys. Why do you want to take away loyalist toys? Loyalists have better maintenance, so they should get more Heresy era equipment. They also have the Mechanic in, so they should get more new toys too.
How many posts would we save if the OP included:
>YES, CSM AND ORKS, YOU DO NEED A NEW CODEX
?
>>46160629
>Bile is explicitly ensuring that only the best of the best become CSM
>yeah, but loyalist should still be better
No, you're stupid.
>>46160604
I can get Lascannon/Reaper + Missle with the helbrute kit, but not 2 TL-autocannons; reaper has 36inch range and ML is worse in games of glancing than an autocannon.
Double reaper/ Double Lascannons are not valid options for a helbrute
>>46160664
I know i know, (at least in the 6th ed. the helbrute does not shoot your own guys anymore....)
>>46160720
In addition, there is no chaos mortis dreadnought equivalent from FW, as well as no contemptor mortis or deredeo dreadnought. I guess chaos just doesn't need anti aircraft besides vector striking or a hades drake :^)
>>46160749
>at least our units don't kill each other
40k players are the battered wives of the wargaming world.
>>46160720
Oh, and of course you can have your shooty helbrute try to charge an enemy, because of the I am stupid table, making him worse.
>>46160708
My point was more that Loyalists aren't 'better', I'm saying they're already THE BEST from umpteenth layers of selection, and Bile is chasing diminishing returns being more stringent.
>tl;dr, Loyalist marines are 99.9% of the ideal
>Bile is killing 10x more neophytes for a 0.1% improvement
>>46160720
It's still baffling that the cyclone and typhoon missile launchers fire two shots but dreadnought missile launchers only fire one.
>>46160755
Forgeworld does like us, we have two FW-flyers as well: Hellblade and Helltalon
The Hellblade not that bad at shooting down enemy flyers, but a bit fragile.
>>46160720
>>46160755
>>46160778
Your argument was that Chaos doesn't get dedicated Rifleman dreads, which is provably false.
I didn't even bring up Helbrutes, since the Ferrum Inferunus is going to be the better option for a Rifleman settup.
And if you're that obsessed with double autocannons or lascannons, the Chaos Contemptor can do that just fine.
>But muh skyfire
Not going to follow your goalposts over there
>>46160845
It's baffling that an infantry dude can simply add flakk missiles to his backpack, but a WW has to trade out all their normal missiles for AA.
>>46160614
the models aren't pleasing to the eye, eventually i'll get around to converting some nid gargoyles. i do like the idea of running a blob of 20 for incursion though, 20 marked with slaanesh is 160
>>46160703
1/10 got me to reply
>>46160708
>Bile is explicitly ensuring that fewer become CSM because he thinks ability to survive implantation translates directly to Marine quality.
FTFY
>>46160703
Nonsense. We urgently need ANOTHER Space Marine codex.
>>46160703
>Implying that would stop the whiny shitposters
>>46160920
How is making shit up fixig anything?
>>46160928
Loyalists and Tau are far worse shitposters.
>>46160934
No, it was about dual-autocannon regular dreads...
>>46160934
>>46159304
>>46159583
>>46160538
>>46160604
All talking about standard dreads. Only >>46160755 brought up the Mortis at all
>>46160870
No nothing is as good as a rifleman, because a Chaos contemptor in IA 13 is 195pts base, compare to 120 for a rifleman. I do not need expensive, I want cheap dakka that has more surviveability than havocs (and preferably is not Heavy Support). A Ferrum cannot get 2 AC arms, btw.
>>46161005
>No nothing is as good as a rifleman
Good thing we weren't talking about good. We were talking about getting them at all.
You CAN get shooty dreads if you want them. That has been my entire point.
>>46160973
>Loyalists
Do we put the Dangle shit posters with them or the CSM?
>>46160973
>Anyone being worse shitposters than "plastic SoB when" and "muh 3.5 chaos" fags
>>46161089
>Dangle
Dark Angels* damn phone.
>>46161097
We understood you before senpai
>>46160973
>The methods I have developed over the past millenia are more stringent, for we must be pure in our hatred and hard of heart, body, and soul. Fewer than one in every thousand survive, and I strive every day to lengthen these odds
What did I make up? Bile's logic is that by killing a higher percentage of the aspirants, the survivors must be better. The problem with using the death rate as a metric is that it only selects for comparibility with his methods, not for utility. If a daemon snuck into the lab and killed half his candidates, the survivors would be better for their ability to fight the daemon, not for making his selection criteria.
>>46161092
The only thing worse than "plastic SoB when" is, if they do happen one day, the old SoB players getting on their high horses about new players picking them up without going through the years of suffering.
>be me at shop painting after work today
>been into the hobby for just over 6 months and my army has only been primed
>trying my best to paint tiny ass Necron patters after melting steel beams for 12 hours
>20 y/o Community college kiddo is telling me to do overtime and have them commissioned because I suck at painting
It took me ~2 hours to get four models done with layering. Still haven't washed them and such. The whole time I was there the two other guy's painting just endlessly ripped on me.
It ended with me telling them they should be happy I am not playing grey, not that I would play them anyway.They were compaying one's stormsurge paint job against the other's Forgeworld Wraith knight.
I know I shouldn't care what they were saying but it really did shit all over my motivation.
>>46161186
Cool blog.
>>46161174
>New plastic sister range
>it's glorious as fuck
>Codex balanced, brutal and top-tier
>Sister starter box replaces the ultra-marine one
>Every 12 year old kid picks them up
>Hipster sisterfag faces when
The asspain would stretch beyond the stars and is personally the only reason I'd want them to return.
>>46161186
You gonna cry now, bitchboy? Getting upset about some random nerds, you truly are the worst, aren't you?
>>46161186
>>20 y/o Community college kiddo is telling me to do overtime and have them commissioned because I suck at painting
You forgot to mention the part were you knocked the fucker out for being a little bitch.
>>46161186
just look at the models you finished yourself and feel proud of them
I've only finished 20-ish guardsmen myself but i'm proud of every single one
>>46161186
gauss fire can't melt something or other
Fuck em. Your dudes ain't your dudes if you get someone else to paint them.
>>46161243
>Codex balanced, brutal and top-tier
>
>>46161243
>he still believes sisters will get an update
>>46160110
reminder :^)
Hey /tg/, does anyone still have the link to the book downloads? I have been looking for Ravenor and Eisenhorn.
>>46161243
>Codex balanced, brutal and top-tier
>Balanced
>Top Tier
>>46161205
>>46161244
Nah, not even mad.
Just really put off by such rudeness from strangers.
Still going to paint my own models.
>>46161249
If only.
My cousin's friend runs the shop so I can't cause too many problems.
>>46161186
Ignore them, the pest-players are everywhere. You are not good enough, because you do not have <whatever>. Your painting sucks compared to that of your opponent (who started the hobby 10 years, before I do)
Just ignore them. I did too.
And then, somebody told me, he liked my rhino (badly painted) because I glued a ladder ontop of it. These are the moments that make it worth.
>>46161295
tfw had a almost decade long break from the hobby and conveniently missed the Ward era
I guess I was lucky in that sense
>>46160447
no. its only limited by the number of units you have with blinding weapons
>>46161318
rules-wise it was a pretty good time.
Eldar and Tau players bitched endlessly because they only had "good" armies.
>>46161305
>If only I wasn't related to the owner, I'd have knocked him out right there!
>>46161291
>>46161301
It's fair if it's Imperial dex :^) And none of the mary sue marines.
>>46161244
I thought I was browsing /tg/ not /v/.
>>46160887
Yeah dude, the models suck dick. I took Blood Letters, added Victoria Lamb Cthuld heads, and gave them Gargoyle wings
How much do these items weigh in an Only War campaign?
Basic Toolkit
Blanket
Grooming Kit
Mess Kit
Poor Weather Gear
Rations
Rucksack
Sleep Bag
Water Canteen
>>46161628
Wrong thread.
>>46141652
>>46161295
SILENCE ULTRASMURF!
>>46161628
Here, I'll dump our drop troops gear list, can't arse to edit it for your specific needs. Weights were either scoured from the rulebook/expansion or discussed with our storyteller.
Standard kit:
-Uniform 3 kg
-Set of poor weather kit 2 kg
-Lascarbine (main) and 6 charge packs 2,5 kg + 3 kg
-Knife 1 kg
-3 Frag grenades 1,5 kg (0,5 kg per grenade)
-2 Krak grenades 1,0 kg
-3 Smoke grenades 1,5 kg
-Imperial guard flak armor 11 kg
-Lumikki pattern Preysense goggles 0,5 kg
-->Superior Pattern (+20 logistics to get good or best crafted)
-->Badge of Status (+5 to Charm and Command, if visible)
-->Forgotten Construction (-30 on skills to repair)
-Respirator 0,5 kg
-Grav-chute 15 kg
-Rechargeable lamp pack 1 kg
-4 weeks worth of combat sustenance rations 28 kg (1 kg per day)
-Injector and 5 doses of stimm 0,5 kg
-Rucksack 2 kg
-Set of basic tools 1 kg
-Mess kit and water canteen 0,5 kg
-Blanket and sleep bag 4 kg
-Grooming kit 0,1 kg
-Dogtags -
-Infantrymans uplifting primer 0,3 kg
total: 79,9 kg
>>46161186
Listen to me anon. This is my Eldar. You know how long it took me to get to this level? 4 years of painting. I ruined 2 Ork armies, and 1 IG one before I started learning how it works. Don't ever listen to that cum-vaper. I need you to believe in yourself, because you can do it.
>>46161699
Can you stop trying to force this meme? It wasn't funny to begin with yet somehow it's getting progressively less funny. Or can you at least start tripfagging? At least we can filter you that way.
>>46161764
Took you 4 years to buy an airbrush?
>>46161764
Looks to me like you bought an airbrush, but never bothered to learn about such difficult concepts as "washes" and "highlights".
>>46161806
Yeah, the delivery company made an major fuck up.
Reason why there is no new chaos codes is because they're going to get a whole bunch of new models.
>>46161243
Honestly the current mini-dex is still pretty good. I doubt there are ever going to be new models, but with the Raging Heroes kickstarter, there are some pretty great non-GW plastic sisters out there.
This is pretty much as good as it's going to get for SoB.
>>46161871
Source: BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS
Is Warhammer Visions any good?
>>46160973
>Loyalists
What have we done to you?
>>46162452
being popular and attractive, with all the miniature sculpting hotties showering you with attention
>>46162518
Now it makes sense. CSM players need to learn that they'll never get Grav because the Chaos Gods/daemons wouldn't allow it. Abaddon is getting tired of daemons being stuck into everything and that's all the Warpsmiths and Dark AdMech are allowed/know how to do. Once you see the Chaos Gods as drug dealers or Games Workshop it makes better sense.
Anyone got a copy of the new waaagh ghazghkull? all the piracy websites I go to don't have it, only the 2014 version. Pls assist.
>>46162812
Not that many things changed, you may be better off looking for the specific thing you want to see.
I don't want to be a list tailoring bastard against my friend, but are Melta guns worth running against Tyranids? I have two tac squads with flamers and one with a melta gun, but I can only run two of the squads with the list I"m using for some casual play with a buddy new to the game.
>>46162858
True. Still, kinda fucked that I'm going to have to shill out 35$ for a book I already have.
>>46161314
>(who started the hobby 10 years, before I do)
This shit man.
I'm only 20, just got into the hobby this year with my best friend.
Already having people who are probably in their 30s or had their dads introduce them to the hobby as kids talking shit 24/7. I just ignore them, but god damn, what do you 30+ year old guys get out of shit talking a 20 year old in college?
>>46162876
>I don't want to be a list tailoring bastard against one of the weakest armies in the game, but I'm going to anyways
I hope you choke to death on Flyrants.
>>46162918
people hate people dude
>>46162918
Is it an American thing? I can't ever imagine a person talking shit about somebody else's paint job unless it's friendly banter with someone you would call a friend, who knows you're just taking the piss.
Sounds like you're either getting some bants and taking it seriously, or interacting with high-level tier autists. The latter tend to play Warmachine and loathe 40k in my experience though.
>>46163024
Tyranids are the weakest?
Shit.
I don't see them at all at my store so I had no idea about their strength.
I'll just use my sillier list then, I don't want to be that asshole.
And as far as I know, he's planning to throw a Flyrant, a Tervigon, some Zoanthropes and other shit at me and I have no idea how to fight them. Maybe he'll serve some justice and kick my ass.
>>46162876
You need at least 60 multi-meltas to stand a chance if he brings a Flyrant.
>>46163045
It might be an American thing.
I'm fine with banter, my friends and I talk shit to each other all the time, but these guys seem genuinely annoyed by our subpar paint jobs.
Might even just be a Boston thing....
>>46163097
Massholes gonna be massholes
>>46163060
Just use walkers and vehicles. Tyranids only have smash attacks and carnifexes to kill armor.
>>46163041
>she doesn't even have a penis.jpg
>>46163232
I think he has a Carnifex.
We'll see how it goes. Will be funny if I get destroyed, desu.
>>46163024
Friendly reminder that swapping one special weapon in one tactical squad against tyranids makes you list tailoring scum and worst person ever and makes it ok for the nid player to bring 5 flyrants.
This psa was brought to you by united npc factions
>>46163279
Well he's gonna have to charge it to get his heavier d3 charge attacks.
If it's shooty, don't worry about it. If it's got crush claws then just back up and let it wade through difficult terrain.
Just use flamers on the small stuff, heavy weapon anything with more than two wounds, and the flyrant might kill itself with perils.
>>46160176
daemons can summon troops with characters/icons/instruments for free so there's actual incentive to summon them vs. just pay for them
Greater daemons and daemon princes are almost all competitively great units and rewards are baller as fuck so daemons can really play any way you'd like between MSU and 4 (F)MC beatstick lists.
>>46163233
while you may have dubs i'm gonna have to ask you to leave nicedaemonette
>>46163392
ND hates dicks.
>>46159875
No, harbinger rules only apply to other units in the same formation and you're strictly limited to 1 herald per core/auxiliary
You just have to settle for +2S for the formation units near the locus.
Yes. You'll just have to settle for pink horrors with autocannons.
>>46163392
>he doesnt like feminine dicks
What're you gay anon?
>GW collecting FAQ questions on facebook
what the fuck? is the world upside down?
>>46163483
They're collecting them to make things worse.
>>46163483
Don't get too happy, the Sunday answers will consist of the following
>Does stealth stack with stealth for a 2+ save.
No! Stealth only applies once and doesn't stack.
Repeat ad infinitum.
>>46163233
>she
>>46159714
they don't and you're a retard.
>>46163097
As a mid-30s guy, I'm sorry. I blame it on East Coast stuffiness.
Do thin your paints, though!
Are sonic noise marines any good to use?
Yeah, like GW are actually going to answer the "When the fuck are you going to stop raping Ork players" and "CSM codex when" questions.
Also "fuck Eldar"
>>46163555
>yfw
>your face when
>when, as in it's not happened but if it did at some future point
Everyone else got the joke so I'm gonna go ahead and suggest you're the retard
Speaking of CSM, Is it worth taking Typhus?
I'm doing Death Guard, and since we actually have a fucking character, I'd like to take him for fluff reasons, but is it worth it on the table?
>>46163642
Seeing as they're asking for rule questions, yeah they're not going to ask this. But having seen the majority of people asking questions and their inability to read not only the post but basic rules in GW, it doesn't surprise me those questions are being asked.
>>46163608
Much much better then the non-sonic variety.
