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>>46100372
I'm doin' alright. How you doin?
>>46100372
>Elf Tits Edition
Alright. So I'm working on a dex/cha Warlord(Steelfist Commando).
What are some feats/equipment I'll really want if I plan to do unarmed as a Steelfist Commando? I've never build a warlord before so any general advice would be nice.
Also: Is there anything that lets you jump further than your base speed in a turn? I'm looking to have a truly silly Acrobatics score and looking to make real use of it.
>>46100406
Elves you say?
>>46100424
Elf TITS.
Get'cho DFC shite outta here, senpai.
>>46100372
I'm sad that Sage Counselor doesn't stack with Monk of the Mantis.
>>46100424
That's an elf? I assumed she was a gnome or something.
Already asked this in the end of the previous thread, which is better for an autismo who's never played any d20 RPGs? PF or DnD 5e?
>>46100479
That would have to be a TINY CHICKEN if it was a gnome
>>46100479
3.5 elves were notably shorter than humans, where PF elves tend to be taller. Endeca's art was made towards the start of 3.5.
>>46100498
Already answered this in the end of the previous thread: 5e
>>46100498
5e. Better for new people, easier. When you get a stomach for minutiae and bullshit, come back.
>>46100498
5e for sure. There are better options than either though
So after our party nearly got our shit kicked in by Lady Andaisin in book 2 of CotCT I am now really interested in a cleric or inquisitor of Urgathoa.
Any advice on this? If I go inquisitor then it'd be a Sanctified Slayer as it fits my playstyle much more than dealing with per day mechanics like judgments.
For cleric Undeath domain seems pretty critical by allowing healing through inflicts. Channel Smite + Shatter Resolve, while not particularly optimized, does sound pretty fun also.
>>46100372
Super, the game starts in 40 minutes and hopefully I won't get diseased!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RnvxfcyHuFN86Sj4dNn6SsX_8RxEuOMNS8JuY8OJZ3Y/edit?usp=sharing
I've gotten done *most* of the work I wanted to on the All Day™ kineticist, now it comes to basically just tweaking shit so that nothing is overwhelmingly good or bad, and adding in an overwhelming soul archetype that doesn't choke on massive horsecocks. Ideally the overwhelming soul should give a decent enough advantage to justify switching over from CON-based "casting" to charisma based "casting".
>>46100498
5th edition is vastly superior for beginners, pathfinder is a clusterfuck.
>>46100372
The best kinds of elves are the ones with stonking great tits.
>>46100542
What do you have in mind?
>>46100549
Are you using the stamina stuff from Unchained? Keep in mind the Channel Smite combat trick: spend stamina up to your normal channel dice, get an extra die of smite damage per point of stamina spent. Throw in a consecrated weapon as well, and you can do some serious nova-smiting.
>>46100498
Neither. Play Dungeon World instead.
>>46100406
She's a Half-Elf, and tits that large aren't going to be particularly fun for either party in the bedroom.
>>46100632
>Stamina
No, only things from Unchained we are using right now is ABP, and Skill Consolidation. I can bring it up though.
At the moment this is purely a fun theory/exercise in building such a character, but I kinda just really wanna have fun with a scythe now.
>>46100678
Not with THAT attitude!
>>46100678
Eh, put her tits-down on the bed. Except then you gotta watch out for an ear in your eye, I guess.
>>46100596
Personal preference is Fantasy Craft where OGL is concerned. If d20 isn't must have Dungeon World and Savage Worlds are easy to pick up
>>46100593
>>46100739
>Not playing with tits that nice.
You were bottle-fed, weren't you?
>>46100678
I don't think half-elves should come with flight-capable ears. They're supposed to be smaller, aren't they? It's only half an elf, you get half the ear.
>>46100739
>not using the ears as handlebars
>>46100821
Exactly, half-elves are supposed to have human-tier thickness but only a fraction of the pointy ear.
Plus their eyes aren't freaky, by Golarion standards.
>>46100850
Why would you do that? That sounds painful.
>>46100819
They're huge and canonically very floppy, I don't think you realize how little breasts come into play when the bedroom action starts.
>>46100593
I want to FUCK those FARM ANIMALS.
>>46100805
So that's cow tipping.Color me intrigued.
>>46100821
Wouldn't it depend? I mean, it's not like everyelf is going to come out exactly the same.
>>46100969
Bro those ears wouldn't be out of place on a night elf, a half-elf should have nothing to do with those ears.
The T&A, however, is surprisingly accurate. Half-Elves are supposed to be stacked in a very pleasing way, both the men and women.
>>46101014
Male half elves have tits?
>>46100064
>>46100234
>Soulbound doll companion that can't stray too far from the alchemist, and grants the alchemist the benefits of shield ally
>can stay tiny/small, has higher dex, int, and cha, but lower wis and str
>can alternatively be upsized into a medium sized doll/marionette, an altered stat array
>fluff wise, is either the result of using the soul of a deceased loved one like a regular soulbound construct, or the alchemistmanaged to shave off a piece of his own soul without dying first
>>46101014
She's very sensitive about being mocked about her ears ;;
>>46101032
I'm talking about the *other* kind of stacked, anon.Women enjoy more than just their luscious hair and smooth skin.
>>46100904
Anon, Anon pls.
Can a Summoner's eidolon look identical to a pre-existing creature?
Well, with various evolutions it can become something very unique for sure, but I'd like to know whether theoretically it can look perfectly normal or not.
I'm asking this because my DM asked me "Summoner? Ok, but think about how eidolon might affected your character in the first place. How might people react to a strange creature? How might they perceive you hanging out with that strange creature? How might your life among people change for hanging out with your eidolon all the time?"
...and I'm trying to cheat "Lol it looks like a normal pet."
>>46101115
You can fluff it, I had my synthesist summoner assume their form by a bulette bursting from the ground and swallowing me.
>>46101067
...Source?
>>46101150
Guyverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Tell me about Unquiet Grave, /dspfg/. What low-level maneuvers from it are worth having for a dhampir antipaladin taking Martial Training?
>>46101115
It's right in the class description.
>The eidolon’s physical appearance is up to the summoner, but it always appears as some sort of fantastical creature. This control is not fine enough to make the eidolon appear like a specific creature. The eidolon also bears a glowing rune that is identical to a rune that appears on the summoner’s forehead as long as the eidolon is summoned. While this rune can be hidden through mundane means, it cannot be concealed through magic that changes appearance, such as alter self or polymorph (although invisibility does conceal it as long as the spell lasts).
Mind you, a lot of players will use the class mechanically to represent other things (e.g. gnome with remote control golem or whatever), and non-terrible DMs will usually allow that.
>>46101200
YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW
>>46101238
Pretty much none of them because Gareth didn't like the discipline so he made it shit.
>>46101255
It isn't really shit. It's decent. Not as good as some others but not as bad as, for example, Steel Serpent.
>>46100372
>>46101240
Damn, how 'fantastic' does it has to be? Can a dog, cat, and parrot be fantastic?
>>46101250
Yes I do. If you don't tell or provide links, I'll just iqdb it.
>>46101309
Using huge floppy cow boobs that would be better found on 40-something mother is just straight up cheating.
>>46101067Goddamnit, is that Fatal Pulse?
>>46101255
>I am going to continue to lie about stuff, because I am probably buttmad about PT and TG
>>46101376
>huge floppy cow boobs
>>46101309
All my characters are male.
>>46101238
I'd advise here but honestly I'm not that up on antipaladins and wouldn't know what to suggest, aside from reiterating my previous statement to snag Thirsting Axe Strike for MOAR VAMPIYAH.
>>46100087
>Vox
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU FILTHY HARLOT WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO OUR HUSBANDO
Enjoying the quest, Gareth?
>>46101387ShindoL actually.
>>46100678
I had a GF with M cup breasts. My current GF is slightly too big for a G. The only downside are is there is literally never enough tits in my bed...
>>46101401
And this is why in my homebrew setting only humans have boobiesbecause I don't want to be tempted into my Magical Realm of cow girls and lactation fetish.
>>46101422
>being a namefag
>>46101422
What do you think aboutgrappling
>>46101422
Hey Gareth, did Elric pass on the Fusing question?
And are you actually a person to ask about that? If not, who is?
I can't keep track of who of you guys did or is responsible for what.
>>46101553
...
Anon, I /wrote/ the discipline he's asking about. I am literally the author.
>>46101569
Pic related.
>>46101468Are you?
>>46101515That's generally less terrible. Da Hootch doesn't really delve into vore or outright murder characters in his stuff as often. He DOES sexualize the Yotsuba, though, and I will never forgive him for it.
>>46101422
Antipaladins would get a lot of benefit out of stuff that either causes Fear or Disease. I don't know if UG has any that cause either of those, though.
>>46101515
>>46101604
Yes, I did and you got your answer. It does exactly what it says it does.
>>46101604
It's been passed to internal, but stuff from UltPsi was Freedomistan Edition & Piracy Edition, back when they were the only writers. Like, straight up, if it's in UltPsi, the devs posting in this thread didn't do it and you'll probably be waiting on an answer.
>>46101610
Not really. Unquiet Grave does bleeds and nonstandard damage (negative levels, ability score damage/penalties, etc) as a general rule.
>>46101553
Everybody look at him! Look at him and laugh!
>>46101646
>>46101671
Seems we got conflicting signals here.
>>46101553
>being a newfag
>>46101694
Nah, if Elric answered it he answered it. I mighta missed the post; I know it got passed and reviewed.
>>46101353
You got author's name, you know it features cows, so unless you're completely new, you should be able to look it up on your own now.
>>46101646
You didn't actually answer. You said you'd pass it on and you said you 'suspected' that the answers were 'follow the raw' and 'misprint'
>>46101766
I didn't update that answer because it turns out to be largely correct. It works exactly as written on both accounts.
>>46101789
Well don't leave it as a 'I think it works like this, I'll ask' because then there's no confirmation.
>>46101789
>I didn't update that answer because it turns out to be largely correct. It works exactly as written on both accounts.
>Being this unhelpful
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tjgf?PSIONICS
Forums, I swear to god.
>>46102057
nice shill
>>46102112
> Point out illiterate and unhelpful inquiry so that we may laugh at Paizo posters
> Shilling
>>46101038
That spoiler reminded me of a certain rigger from Shadowrun: Hong Kong.
>>46101537
>only humans have boobies
>Elves don't have boobs
>Orcs don't have boobs
>Halflings definitely don't have boobs
Gee anon you sure have poor taste.
Continuing on >>46100109 from the last thread, any single feat or class ability you have that lets you make a spend a standard action to make an attack (such as Cleave) can be added to vital strike
So earlier people said Insinuator was bad because it lost spellcasting. To me the only paladin spell worth ever using is Hero's Defiance, which Antipaladin's can't even use. So what spells are Antipaladins even expected to use that their casting loss is such a blow?
>>46102752
>not wanting all halflings to be adorably flat
>>46101607
I don't have any interest in /tg/ quests, sorry, too fast-paced for me. Considered tgchan or some such?
>>46101553
>not recognizing the author of the discipline in question
lmao
>>46102785
Halflings should be exactly as chesty or flat as their full-sized equivalents, pegging a universal constant on them besides "1/2 sized and obnoxiously British" is doing them a severe injustice.
>>46102785
>flat
But that's not true.
>>46102936
While I certainly agree that there should be a fair number of chesty Halflings with bountiful cleavage, I must admit I'vegrown tired of Alfie and that entire comic because the vast majority of Halflings shown are titty monsters.
Is it too much to ask for a respectable bust?
>>46102752
None of those races exist in the setting
I do have moths and Mantids though
Also, humans are the undisputed masters of Initiating, and most of the setting Traditions are originally Human founded
>>46102768
I wouldn't give up animate dead if you DOUBLED my smite. Nothing says "force multiplier" like riding around on the back of a frostfallen dragon. Baba Yaga knows what's up when it comes to necromancy.
>>46103029
As much as I like the idea of being a necromancer and such, I find the whole trouble of keeping track of everything a major hassle.
>>46103029
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/vile-leadership
>>46102768
I dislike Insinuator because it sounds like a pain in the dick to keep track of what chap you're with that day, and... fuck.
Gimmie Dread Vanguard any day. More bad touches, at range, and get a big fucking aura of evil to buff yourself and allies.
>>46100414
Weapon Finesse and Deadly Agility.
Here's an NPC example.
>>46103119
Main thing is just not to try too hard. I never keep more than one long-term pet and one recent acquisition: the rest are stationed in cleared dungeons and abandoned to serve as mindless security drones once I've dropped control.
>>46103162
Anon, you know that the rules for monstrous cohorts are a nightmare of ridiculous arbitrary ECLs, right? You have to be level 16 before you can even get a CR 6 young white dragon to listen to you.
>>46103292
Make a cleric necromancer your cohort silly
How hard is it to make and publish a proper 3pp splat to make money off of? I have some class ideas that could be interesting.
>>46103322
Sure, but why not do that AND be a necromancer myself? That way, I can pass off the undead I'm not using to my cohort, so she can run Morts-Vivants Sans Frontieres while I'm in the field.
I want to get my players using DSP stuff, but they're the kind of idiots who think fighters and monks are good and have no interest in anything 3pp. Is there anything I can do?
>>46103445
Custom items that give them strikes/boosts/counters once a combat? Make them fight enemies that use maneuvers.
>>46102997
You can have your opinions, anon, even if I don't share them.
>>46103445
Have them fight enemies with counters and maybe stances. Show them the shiny toys, and they will want to play with them.
Stay away from strikes, except the kind that don't do extra damage or extra attacks. Ones that apply penalties and have rider effects tend to be considered weaker than most PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE maneuvers, but they're a good introduction and don't make the system look like it's OP.
>>46103416
>Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my legs... and my arms... even my torso. The body I've lost... the minions I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our phylacteries.
>>46103445
Make a full caster that is better than a standard martial in martial combat then show them a PoW martial
>>46100372
>How ya doin /pfg/?
Dreading tomorrow's game a bit, mostly. Left the game for a while because it was a pure dungeon-crawl hack and slash, no RP or story at all. I knew that going in, but the GM was trying to learn the system, so I figured I'd help out and also have an excuse to hang out with friends I hadn't seen in a while. I could only take a game like that for so long, though, so I had to bow out after a few months. Then I get a message saying he's starting up a story and some roleplaying stuff... so I joined back up. And it turns out that he thinks "story" is "the dungeon is now devil-themed, but otherwise the same" and "roleplaying" is "I'm going to try to play monsters more tactically in combat, which will still be the only thing happening".
I'll put up with it for now (turns out I missed being with friends more than I hated being in this game), but it's gonna be tough holding in the frustration. This is the only chance I really get to see these friends, though.
Luckily, I've got another "When everybody's available." game starting up that'll have more story and RP to it... still a fresh GM who stumbles a bit with storytelling and roleplaying, but at least she's trying.
>>46103501
Make a bottler dread as a recurring enemy. They're frustrating/hilarious.
>>46100406
Sorry, but that elf has clearly stolen the tits off an orc or a dwarf or something. Those definitely did not begin their existence on an elf.
>>46103445
Have them fight their PoW equivalent counterparts.
Can you tell us more about the PCs?
>>46103628
This seems like it'll just generate bad feelings.
>>46100452
Maybe I missed something, but why the hell does "Sage Counselor" somehow translate to "great at feinting in combat"? None of their abilities have anything to do with being a sage or counseling anybody.
I mean... I know Paizo is running out of unique names for things, but this is kind of ridiculous.
>>46100500
If there's anybody that'd invent a tiny chicken, though...
>>46103672
Pretty sure it's a play on the old trope of 'wise old Asian masters' who spout meaningless bullshit that sounds deep. Like Bewildering Koan.
>>46103445
>>46103628
Instead of having them fight PoW counterparts, set up a one-shot where they play their bizarro world PoW counterparts.
>>46103716
But we already have the Sensei Archetype, and its much better
>>46100821
Half-elves are also often a bit taller than 5'2. Guess all of that growth went to her ears and.. well everywhere else, frankly. Just not up.
>>46103716
>Confucius say: Man who run after car get exhausted.
>>46103806
>Confucius say: man who run in front of car get tired.
>By partially phasing a portion of his attack out of this reality, the disciple may ignore certain obstacles, such as armor, when striking at an opponent. The initiator makes an attack roll and ignores the target's armor bonus to AC (unless this armor bonus comes from a force effect, such as mage armor). A successful hit inflicts an additional 4d4 points of force damage from the spiritual power the disciple infuses into the attack.
So, Veiled Moon "Brilliant Moon" ignores Natural Amor too, or only Armor?
>>46103523
>Pharasma banished us to Hell, but we're going deeper. Take back everything that we've lost!
>>46103861
>ignores the target's armor bonus to AC
Read what you're quoting. It's right there.
>>46103871
Now that I think about it, Aroden would have been a better choice for Cipher.
>>46103891
Natural Armor doesn't count as armor, right?
Dammit, my dream of a Level 3 touch attack is gone.
>>46103985
"Natural armor bonus" and "armor bonus" are not the same thing.
>>46103974
Would that make Norgorber into Skull Face?
>I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers. Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders, I was made to worship their god. With each new contract my masters changed. Along with the gods they made me swear by. With my ascension, I changed too. My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words - can - kill.
>>46104125
Nah, he'd be 4 Young Mantises sitting in eachother's shoulders in a cloak
So first time trying out 3rd party content, brewed up a Warlord from Path of War and just started learning how the maneuvers work.
3 party members are giving me shit for using the Warlord class, complaining about it being "overpowered".
Then again they're using Paizo classes.
>>46104351
Well, what's the party makeup? I bet it has a 1-9 caster.
Stop bully martials! martials are cute. CUTE!
>>46104351
What are they playing?
>>46104375
>>46104414
There's 5 of us.
3rd level Ranger
2nd level Gunslinger
2nd level Summoner
The other one's a 2nd level something that's a martial class from Paizo. He's using a katana and he's a tengu, that's all I know, except that he's not a samurai.
I'm 2nd level Warlord.
>>46104125
>The Last Azlanti's been in hiding ever since his grand experiment. Nobody's seen him in years. We get our orders through Oracle revelations. Except for you. You know where he is. Tell me. Where is the Azlanti? Where is Aroden?
Arazni: If I tell you, will it save Iomedae?
>It may. The choice is up to you.
Arazni: Will you kill him for me?
>No. Not for you.
Arazni: Alright. He's--
TOO BE CONTINUED IN PATHFINDER ADVENTURE PATH #200.
>>46104414
>Silver Crane Spiral on a Solar Wind initiator
>>46104433
>summoner in party
>complaining about warlord power
Into the lake of fire
>>46104466
The summoner technically is one of the 3 giving me shit for it, but in a more friendly manner for lack of better word. He's the type that just goes "it's 3rd party" but doesn't actually care too much since the GM allowed it.
The gunslinger and tengu on the other hand...
>>46104466
This is correct.
>>46104502
Ask them if they'd be happier if you were playing a Magus instead of a Warlord and using Xd6 Shocking Grasps with every attack.
>>46104502
They are obviously upset that their entire character has been made invalidated by your choice, since they decided to play the shit paizo martial classes
You can either try to underplay your character, never full attack, and mostly try to do support and teamwork stuff, or instead reroll a Wizard and shut them up by having them guzzle your glorious Caster cock
So if I put an Effortless Lace on a Falcata, can it be my offhand weapon for TWF at the reduced penalty?
>>46104398
T-thanks
>>46104450
Everyone know he's just a vestige, waiting dwelling outside of this reality, barely clinging to fragments of his godhood. He waits for someone to bind him so he can once more attempt to sever the strings of fate.
>>46104551
I'm pretty sure they would because >3rd party classes
>>46104585
Because my using a 3rd party class is so much of a problem, the GM told me to just treat using maneuvers as if they were spells prepared at the beginning of the day.
I don't get them back at all until the next day.
>>46103445
>>46103501
Seconding this. Back when I ran Emerald Spire, I tossed a stalker with Solar Wind at the party gunslinger to let him go up against another gun user. Immediately after the fight, he searched the guy's stuff to try and find out what the hell that was, and multiclassed into Stalker as soon as gun training kicked in.
>>46104637
>I don't get them back at all until the next day.
Uhh... that completely breaks the class. It literally doesn't work right with that.
Tell him to compare the number of total maneuvers a warlord gets to the number of total spells a magus gets.
>>46104398
Martials are short and smell like sweat!
>>46104637
I never understood this, if you're going to put such absurd limitations on a class that there's little point in playing it, WHY FUCKING ALLOW IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!?
>be gunslinger
>okay but you can't do this and this, and that's unrealistic so it goes right out
>I think I'll play a sorcerer, thanks
>>46104637
Have you tried getting everyone to try PoW. Maybe for a one-shot with a PoW bbeg?
Does Pathfinder work well with Eberron as a setting?
>>46104637
Okay, just play an arcanist instead and one-shot all encounters with the CL boosting ability.
>>46104710
I don't see any reason why not.
>>46104607
Yes. It counts as a Light weapon at that point, so you're totally using a 1H and Light weapon, and thus getting the lesser TWF penalties.
>>46104637
Your DM is a cuck, and the other players are morons. Best of luck to you.Got into a PbP gestalt Hell's Vengeance the other day. What did I do to the guy who went Ranger/Rogue? I told him about Hidden Blade. Now he's an Initiator, too!
>>46104710
Yes. Just convert the Eberron-specific classes, races, and dragonmark options.
>>46104710
It can take a little bit of tinkering to get things to convert over, but Eberron can run rather smoothly with Pathfinder from my experience. This should help:https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/
>>46104637
Run a one-shot and give everyone PoW bizarro world versions of their existing characters.
>>46104675
Yes, and that is CUTE so whats your point?
>>46104671
On the bright side, this session was originally created as a side mission for the party Ranger because he missed a session.
Someone made a joke about keeping him up with the rest of the party in terms of XP by means of brewing up a bunch of random mercenaries and playing the other half of the battle the party minus ranger took part in.
The party was camping with a whole company of mercs that saved our asses the previous day.
>>46104685
Actually that's why my main is a Bolt Ace instead of Gunslinger.
>>46104709
That'd be nice. This is a 100% homebrew setting after all, so I could try talking to my GM about it when the others aren't around.
>>46104755
Honestly the GM's a cool guy, it's just that nobody got a chance to properly read the PoW stuff prior. I should be able to work something out by just talking with him.
The gunslinger's the one getting real bitchy about it though. Don't know what's his deal.
Also I nearly died and burned 2 CLW potions just now, all I've been doing now is swinging my greatsword because out of maneuvers.
>>46104927
Tell the GM that the PoW classes are built to be around the same power level as the magus, and that you have no interest in letting the other players bully you about it just because they picked weaker classes.
>>46104927
I was going to say something, but >>46105052
nailed it. You're not even THAT much stronger than them, you just have OPTIONS while they go I ATTACK every round.
>>46103628
The campaign is two sessions in, it started at level 3 and the PCs just hit 4. I told them that they can retcon their characters if what they have isn't working for them. We've got an unchained monk, chained rogue (refuses to do unchained even though it's a straight upgrade), a fighter and a skald (who has yet to cast any spells, I'm not sure he realizes he can).
Would a Theocracy exist in Golarion?
I mean, there are several deities and pantheons. Having one nation siding and being supported by an actual deity would curbstomp over everything else, right?
>>46105052
>>46105084
The maneuvers do remind me of spells with how they work.
But yeah, I shot the GM a few messages asking to talk about the issue after the session. As far as I know, he's cool enough to just sit down and listen as opposed to covering his ears and screaming "3RD PARTY" like the tengu (I think he's a rogue, he's got sneak attack) or the gunslinger.
>>46105125
Aren't Razmiran, Cheliax and Nidal theocracies? The latter two even have real gods.
>>46105125
Nidal is a Theocracy. So is Razmiran, though their god is a lie.
>>46105170
Cheliax is a Monarchy with heavy influence by the Church of Asmodeus.
If you take a positive energy elemental as an (improved) familiar, can it heal an infinite amount of times?
>>46105125
Deities can only do so much direct intervention before other deities start to pile on and turn the area into Mana Wastes v2. There's a reason it's mostly LE gods who manage to keep nations under sway, and even Asmodeus knows better than to have all the other religions banned in Cheliax.
Compare what happened to Deskari when he tried busting on the scene, or that one demon lord Desna murdered the fuck out of and nearly caused a Blood War because he was being super blatant in his priestess-tormenting.
>>46105165
If you compare them, warlord and magus play very alike.
Attack and power each round, occasionally switching up for utility stuff or having a "dead round" because of limiting use (magus) or running out and needing to refresh (warlord).
The "uses per day" is a red herring because the gish spellcasters like magus have effectively infinite uses per day past the first 1-3 levels, if you compare their total number of spells to how many actual combat rounds per day PCs have.
>>46105100
If it's only been two sessions, then everyone is still getting used to their PCs.
I recommend letting it go for another 5 sessions. By then, they may start to complain about how limited their options are.
What are some good options for a level 3 feat for a Wizard/Warder? I already have two weapon fighting.
>>46105100
>refuses to do unchained rogue
Have you considered that you may be friends with a bunch of plebs?
>>46105316
So we talked, we agreed that the "uses per day" was just a spur of the moment decision (I'm calling it that so it would shut the mouth of the gunslinger)
We changed maneuver readying and uses back to the original function.
Also, does the 1d6 damage bonus I get from Scarlet Einhander stack with the damage added by some of the maneuvers I use?
>>46105420
Crafting feats.
Your party will thank you both in and out of combat.
>>46105420
>Wizard/Warder
Multiclass, or Gestalt? If former, what is the level spread? Also, Arcane Armor Training may be useful
>>46105420
If you wanted to dual wield with a Warder, why did you not just take Dervish Defender and get it for free?
>>46105451
Yes, it does stack.
>>46105469
Sounds gestalt, and he's probably a Dervish Defender, so he likely isn't wearing armor.
Since DD is so strike-based, I'd agree with >>46105459. Crafting feats are the bee's knees.
As the DM from your campaign >>46104433
First time using PoW and understanding how it works.
And I agree the players are not used to 3pp stuff but we are learning and everyone in this party gives shit to each other including you.
>>46105473
I did.
>>46105469
1 Dervish Defender, 3 Wizard. I'm creating the character now. Human Bonus is weapon finesse, Dervish gives TWF, level 1 feat is Double Weapon Finesse so i can use a quarterstaff functionally. Whilst I'm holding the quarterstaff i have int to AC and with high dex that gives me a pretty fucking good AC.
>>46105459
>>46105519
I suppose that's true enough. My last wizard had craft wondrous item and that was really useful.
>>46103259
Cool, Cool.
Anything else notable or is that's all that's really needed?
>>46105519
Ah, cool. We're just keeping it not stack for now since how we read it they don't specify whether or not they stack. Personally I think a total 2d8 + 2d6 + 1d6 damage on a single hit seems a little high for 2nd levels.
>>46105521
AT LEAST I DIDN'T USE PSIONICS.
Also if these characters are relevant again, maybe remove the "stance doesn't stack with manuevers" past a certain level?
I will use this class again in a future campaign, otherwise.
>>46105597
>>46105521
You know that you can just ask the Devs for tips?
>>46105597
>AT LEAST I DIDN'T USE PSIONICS.
Are you implying there is something wrong with Psionics
>>46105597
>stance doesn't stack with manuevers
That's stupid.
>>46105521 stop being stupid. Do you keep spellcasters from using multiple buff spells? No? Then don't do that.
>>46105572
Look in this for the Warlord:
>http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html
Can you tell us more about the campaign?
>>46105669
Like I said first time running it I WILL MAKE MISTAKES yeah I agree they should stack.
>>46105597
> 2d8 + 2d6 + 1d6
How are you getting all this at second level?
>>46105726
>PoW
>>46105725
Then let us help you not make mistakes, people here are very knowledgeable about the system.
>>46105521
If your gunslinger keeps being a jealous bitch, taunt him with the gunsmoke mystic archetype from PoW Expanded.
Everyone is fine now we are reading through PoW stuff.
>>46105730
Even as a Second Level path of war character he shouldn't be getting that much at level 2. Level 3, yeah, but not at 2.
2d8 weapon damage is from what I assume to be size stacking shenanigans from being a Half-Giant or Long Arm tiefling.
1d6 from a stance
But there are no first level maneuvers that give +2d6 to a 2nd level initiator to my knowledge.
>>46105774
Did you remember that Expanded was released this week?
I think your Gunslinger would love to retrain as a Desperado or Gunsmoke Mystic
>>46105742
That's just cruel. I approve.
>>46105811
Are those the only gun options available in Path of War?
>>46105795
Unless I did maneuvers wrong, the +2d6 was from Bloody Riposte, which is a 2nd level maneuver.
>>46105841
Both can be mix-and-matched with assorted disciplines. Those are just the archetypes for "magic gunslinger" and "nonmagic gunslinger".
>>46105841
They're the two with explicit gun support, offering access to things gunners love like Rapid Reload and ways to mitigate misfires.
You can *use* guns with any discipline that allows ranged attacks, they're just the ones that actually boost guns beyond just being able to use them for maneuvers.
Are you excited for your sessions this weekend, lads?
>>46105597
2d8+2d6+1d6 doesn't seem possible.
I can see 2d6+1d6+1d6 pretty easily, but there aren't any first level maneuvers that give anything like 2d8 damage.
>>46105872
You don't get 2nd level maneuvers until level 3. It's also a counter that you can only use after getting hit, iirc, so you can only use it in response to getting whacked in the face.
Additionally, Psionics is p. gud. It DOES have some really strong options, but they're all way after level 2.
So I guess we all makes mistakes.
>>46105897
Fuck off, I work weekends.
>>46105907
The 2d8 was from my greatsword, and it was a counter attack.
So I take it level requirements for maneuvers works like caster level requirements for spells
>>46105872
You said you were a Level 2 warlord, you can't use Bloody Riposte. until your level 3.
>>46104433
>>46105897
My sessions are on Tuesday evenings.
What -is- the graveblood subtype, /tg/?
I'm searching through the Lords of the Night, but it only mentions it, and I'm not sure where to look.
>>46105897
>he doesn't play 1 post/week PBP
>>46105897
>my players all have other plans
>this is the 3rd week in a row we haven't held a game
>I'm forever DM
>I don't have plans
>I spent an entire afternoon working on campaign material that will last a good 6 hours of gameplay
FEEL MY PAIN, ANONS! FEEL. MY. PAIN.
>>46105897
Yeah, Harbi's been pretty fun in the one combat I've gotten to use it in so far, and tomorrow we're going to the MYSTERIOUS FAR EAST for Hong Kong Cyberpunk shenanigans.
>>46105597
And what's wrong with psionics, huh?
>>46105897
Yup. Mine is tomorrow morning at 10, and we've been having a jolly good time together.
Plus, I've been getting my group acclimated to PoW, and one of our guys is running a Zweihander Sentinal in our current campaign and is having a blast. Next Campaign, I was thinking of running with a Psionic character to see how they respond to it
>>46105841
The Privateer class template for Stalkers and Warlords.
>>46105935
Yes
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/systems-and-use
>2d8 greatsword
How?
>>46105897
I'm excited for the next installment of Land of the Linnorm Kings, which will be more roleplay and treasure-centric this session!
>>46105970
For an easy intro to psionics, start with an Aegis that seems like a weird synthesist summoner.
Then he pulls out energy ray or whatever power stone stuff and players start going "whaaa?"
>>46105897
>weekend
Mine's Tuesdays and Wednesdays tho
How would you Gun-Kata using PoW, /pfg/?
>>46105992
>Aegis
You mean the Psionic class that isn't really a Psionic class.
>>46105935
Medium Sized Greatsword 2d6
Large Greatsword 3d6
Huge Greatsword 4d6
Am I missing something?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxlWQjtbHba89Va-qbA88j8hdyXScl1CcOlPirH-i9g/edit?usp=sharing
/pfg/, I bring you the Dread Prince, a Harbinger archetype themed on fear that takes a more defender-ish role on the battlefield, focusing on a single enemy and harrying them until they die, then moving onto the next.
Take a look, provide feedback, call me an awful person, whatever.
>>46105977
>no Warder
>you can't go overwatch
>you can't be an intelligent gunsmither blasting fools with hodpodge weapons.
>>46105663
>>46105962
It's just an inside joke because nobody wants to bother with reading Psionics books.
You know, that's probably a little bit hypocritical considering me trying to get everyone to let me use PoW stuff.
>>46105978
>>46106008
Fffffffffuck I am sorry. I meant 2d6.
>>46105940
The Graveblood subtype showed up in Bloodforge.
> Graveblood Subtype: Graveblood creatures are related to undead and have bony, pale, or gaunt bodies. They count as undead in addition to their other types and subtypes for effects and prerequisites relating to type. They do not gain any other qualities of the type unless another source grants it, and are still healed by positive energy and harmed by negative energy.
>>46106006
Aegis and Soulknife are psionic classes.
But due to fluff, "psionic" can mean anything the setting requires and may serve as stand-in for nanomachines, magic, hardlight constructs, element-bending, etc.
>>46105997
>>46105997
But Gun Kata is from UltPsi, anon! Gunsmoke Mystics get Gun-Fu, totally different.
>>46106026
Psionics is worth reading just for having the only good combat healer besides the oradin build.
>>46106028
Ah, brilliant.
I was just looking at options for Unquiet Grave, but it seems like just playing a Dhampir would still be better.
Thanks, Gareth.
>>46105992
I was actually thinking of playing a Wilder, who would be the son of a previous character I ran with for a one-shot.
I just gotta figure out which type of Surge and/or archetype would be stylistically close enough to a Tidus expy
>>46106025
Actually, I wonder if you could use guns well enough as a Hawkguard
>>46105997
I would use the Privateer (Stalker) with the gun related abilities.
Are you sure you wouldn't rather use the Grammaton?
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/cryptic/archetypes/dreamscarred-press/grammaton
>>46106036
I mean in the sense they don't really use the Psionic sub system..
>>46106026
>you get points
>you use these points to do stuff
>you can augment stuff with more points
>the amount of points you can spend per thing can never exceed your the level of the class that lets you do the thing
>you also have a state of focus you can use to do more things, that takes a full round to regain or a move with a feat.
>along with this state of focus, you get an active energy type that influences the type of damage some of your stuff does
That's it.
>>46106077
Well I guess I have night time reading material.
![[REVO]Lupin III The Castle of Cagliostro[1080p,FLAC][9A1EE6EA].mkv_snapshot_00.03.44_[2016.03.18_22.55.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/txQS1qb.jpg "[REVO]Lupin III The Castle of Cagliostro[1080p,FLAC][9A1EE6EA].mkv_snapshot_00.03.44_[2016.03.18_22.55.47].jpg")
I watched some Lupin III and now I want to roll a Rogue in an upcoming campaign.
Playing a rogue is a terrible idea though, right?
>>46105897
>player has to leave 2 hours in without a heads up
>So more or less 3 rounds of combat happen
>>46106094
yup
>>46106025
Anyone can go into Overwatch.
There's even a style for it. Called Overwatch Style.
>>46106094
Play an Investigator, Alchemist, or Bard.
>>46106077
Manifesting is one ASPECT of psionics. Consider the psychic warrior, which aside from having powers ALSO has benefits for being psionically focused, and effects they can give up psionic focus to use.
>>46106087
Psionics works 95% like spellcasting but with mana instead of spell slots.
The real difference is in how the power thematics work, like how it's much easier to absorb somebody's wounds and then heal yourself than it is to heal somebody else, or how the summon equivalent is actually a temporary mindless construct with eidolon-like customization.
>>46106094
Eh. Unchained ain't bad.
alternatively, a Stalker Vigilante.
>>46106094
Unchained isn't too bad, especially considering how much of a skill monkey Lupin is. You'll be squarely T4, and I'm sure there's a good Archetype you could stack on to do one of his crazy things like using gadgets or something.
Investigator might be a smidge better though, or a Bard.
>>46106138
>Lupin
>Vigilante
Nope. The guy is far too full of himself and loves attention to ever go full secret identity, rather than just have a good disguise kit for the occasional heist
>>46106128
Manifesting and Psionic Focus.
That's it really, and all Psi Focus is a really, really simple mechanic that aegis's barely use natively.
Aegis is a fucking terrible class to recommend as an intro into Psionics since it's basically a fighter that's more mobile and does less damage.
>>46106094
Unchained is pretty decent, though it still suffers from martialitis. Unchained Hidden Blade can be pretty damn awesome, though, depending on how you build it.
Lupin is more of a talker than a traditional D&D Rogue, though... the Rogue doesn't model that part very well. You might wanna try an Investigator instead. Maybe take the Mastermind archetype, and definitely take Sleuth (the Luck point flavor fits a Lupin style character much better than alchemy, in my opinion).
>>46106176
I definitely want to go skill monkey.
Although the campaign will be combat-heavy with a newer GM who rarely uses skill checks. Might make things interesting.
>>46106176
A Vigilante Stalker is a Stalker that uses Int instead of Wisdom and gains Inspiration instead of Ki. Not paizo's latest abomination.
>>46106176
You're thinking of the Paizo Vigilante.
We're talking about the Stalker archetype that uses Int instead of Wis.
>>46106176
He probably means the Vigilante Stalker, which is an archetype that dropped in PoW:E, NOT the frustratingly similarly-named Stalker Vigilante, which is a type of Vigilante from that shitty Paizo book that ALSO just dropped.
The Vigilante Stalker is an Int-based Stalker with Investigator toys.
>>46106196
>Lupin is more of a talker than a traditional D&D Rogue, though...
Sorry, I meant trickster, not talker.
>>46106241
>>46106240
No, I meant Stalker Vigilante.
>>46106176
It's worth noting, there doesn't seem to be much of a downside for people finding out about your secret identity.
>Make warlord
>One-shot an enemy with dizzying blow
>GM proceeds to put all odds against me in particular
>>46106094
Lupin is not a UC:Rogue
He's a bard. Stealth is not in his arsenal. Bullshitting, feints, misdirection are.
>>46106279
There's nothing about the Viglante Stalker that involves hiding your identity or not being an attention whore.
>>Clone, level 8 spell
>>creates a duplicate of you that "will rot unless preserved", implying that the body is not growing
>>therefore, the body can be put under the influence of a gentle repose spell
>>this will prevent degradation of the corpse
Does this means that the corpse is not ageing? I don't see why not.
If that were the case, if someone creates a clone when they are 20, keeps it preserved until the person is 80, they then kill themselves and the soul enters the 20-year-old clone body. Is this essentially a way of achieving immortality, as long as you can keep making new cloned bodies?
>>46106318
This. He's one of those bard archetypes that is all about conning people.
>>46106279
Don't you lose the ability to bypass a lot of divination stuff if people connect your identities? Being able to say "Nope, he's scrying for my social identity, and I'm in my vigilante identity, so he doesn't see shit." is a pretty big thing to lose.
I haven't seen the final version, though, so maybe they cut that out?
>>46106298
That's what it means to be a Warlord.
It sounds like the GM is giving you more opportunities to regain maneuvers and acquire glory.
>>46106338
I don't know much about Lupin, but I doubt he runs around singing and casting spells.
>>46106343
If only I could regain maneuvers from being hit by misfired bullets
>>46106318
>>46106196
Thanks, it looks like I'll end up choosing between Bard and Investigator now. Sleuth seems fun.
>>46106367
replace 'spells' with 'some invention he made up for this particular heist'
