Yo, waddup
Decent
Why are you talking to yourself? That said, we getting any more vamps?
A nice card in limited, I guess
I guess hes delivering the bad news to Reckless Waif, that he's taking her spot as the new one drop hotness in werewolves. Also, have we gotten a mentor of the meek callback yet?
>>46088682
Nope, not yet, there's that bishop that investigates when weenies etb, but that's it
>>46088049
Not an unblockable untargetable 10/10 with five activated abilities for 0 mana, into the trash it goes.
Why did they only reveal 4 of this cycle?
I assume there's a black one out there.
>>46089409
Actually now that I look at it, the white isn't part of that cycle either.
>>46089409
I think tooth collector was the black card, and topplegeist is the white part of the cycle
It's like populate, only more.
>>46089425
Yeah, it's not a Repeat. It's just a bonus.
>Confirm Suspicions
>3UU
>Instant
>Counter target spell.
>Investigate three times. (Put a colorless Clue artifact token onto the battlefield with "2, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Trash outside of limited unless investigate somehow becomes extremely important.
>>46089449
good with clues, good with secure the wastes, pia and kiran nalaar, good with hangarback walker and good with scions. Could be interesting.
>>46088049
Great for my wolf tribal deck
>>46089467
Counters a spell and turns on metalcraft
>>46089490
You really should have metalcraft already by the time you can cast a 5 mana counterspell.
>>46089409
Topplegeist and Tooth Collector are the white and black cards of the cycle.
That being said, I really like the devil with delirium.
>>46089409
Does the devil have a necklace of ears?
>>46089502
I know, I was joking. It gives 3 clues for Tamiyo's journal at least
>>46089504
>>46089442
Topplegeist and Tooth Collector makes the most sense since the both have the ETB effect that is repeated with delirium.
But on the other hand those two break the mold that the new three have.
>1. The each cost 2, one colored and one generic
>2. They each have an "insane" name, Obsessive, Gibbering and Manic.
I'm unconvinced.
>>46089549
The cmc difference might be explained by development, that sometimes messes up the numbers.
They are also all 5 at uncommon (even though uncommon in a preconstructed deck does not necessarily mean that its uncommon in the set).
You're right about the names though.
>>46089520
Noclue.
>>46089549
Actually it's because they're all uncommons that have a delirium trigger at the beginning of each opponent's upkeep.
>>46089449
Which is better though?
>>46089661
that thing doesn't copy clue tokens
>>46089409
If you look closer at the art on manic scribe, you see that he has the quills sticking through the palms of his hands and he has extra fingers
>>46089689
And the Paranoid Parish-Blade has a tentacle poking out of his left arm.
>>46089689
Pretty sure Obsessive skinner is skinning humans.
They all seem to be doing something disturbing.
>>46089449
Pod people!
Kind of wish this was the normal art for the card, looks way better.
I swear this is the set of adorable jank combos. I love it.
>Falkenrath Gorger and Olivia, Mobilized for War for dumping an entire hand of vampires with a +1/+1 counter and haste on to the battlefield at any time.
>Briarbridge Patrol and Tamiyo's Journal to sacrifice three clues to put any creature into your hand from your library and to put that creature on to the battlefield at the end of your turn.
>Neglected Heirloom on Avacynian Missionaries for a 7/7 for 4W that exiles a card when it transforms at the end of turn.
>Odric, Lunarch Marshal and Elusive Tormentor flipped into Insidious Mist for a board that's indestructible and hexproof during combat.
What other ridiculous Christmasland combos are there?
>>46089661
I'd say Second Harvest. The lesser cost is very big, seeing how this followed by a quick overrun should be your finisher.
>>46089661
Second Harvest.
>1 less CMC
>Instant
>copies every token there is no matter the type
>>46089759
Briarbridge Patrol + Tamiyo's Journal is a cute interaction.
I wonder if it'll be viable in a Eldrazi ramp type of deck.
>>46089467
what does the flavour say
>>46089802
>and it only touches you
>>46089802
Now if only there was more sources of Equipment and Enchantment tokens.
>>46089809
Keep in mind it still needs other methods of clue generation. If you're not splatting your Timmybeast on the board on the board by the end of turn five, the tempo gained is meaningless.
>>46089812
Everythbody hides something.
I don't even speak spanish.
>>46089759
Odric feels like the most magical christmasland enabler ever. With new Sigarda you get him hexproof at all times and give it and flying to the team at combat. Farbog Revenant gives the team skulk and lifelink, and there's probably a lot more better cards to milk with Odric.
>>46090097
>Odric feels like the most magical christmasland enabler ever.
Not ever, Newdric is just Concerted Effort 2.0. Concerted Effort + Progenitus gave all your dudes protection from everything, you just needed something else to give them all indestructible.
Blue got, literally, one good card thisbset so far
The rest is milling trash, rare overcosted counterspells, useless enchantments that do nothing by themselves and investigation/clue shit that is parasitic as fuck and will only work in this specific Standard environment.
>>46089467
Eh, drawing three cards is nothing to sneeze at. Still it seems like this could easily have cost 2UU instead, or UUU and only two tokens. Yet another cool card idea with an unfortunately inflated cost.
Also I love how we have like 20 cards of Jace just walking around going "woah" at everything.
It's not... bad, I guess
>everything, even green, gets clue support
>except for red
Hopefully, it also gets some.
I want to build WUR Artifacts/Clues with the Origin cards and Reflector/Displacer.
>>46090191
Actually, out of the parasitic clue things we've seen so far, only one is blue. The others are green (Briarbridge Patrol) and colorless (Tamiyo's Journal). Even then, these cards at least produce clues for themselves to exploit.
The clue mechanic in and of itself isn't parasitic, cards that rely on clues for an effect are parsitic. Even then, all of them but Daring Sleuth provide clues. It's not a powerful mechanic but so far, the parasitic accusation is baseless.
>>46090325
>red investigating things
>ever
>>46090311
Oh hey flavor text that doesn't suck dick.
>>46090325
Grixis gets Madness, Bant gets Investigate, Delirium is for everyone.
>Babby Jace fits incredibly well in deck idea
>fucker costs like $90 now
Fuck
>>46089409
I think that RDW might be possible now.
Was skeptical at first due to everything Red being vampires but some of this stuff doesn't seem to be too bad.
>>46090369
RDW was always possible my g
No one expects T1 Zurgo into T2 Call of the Full Moon
>>46090311
ok, that's clearly an Eldrazi tentacle coming out of his wrist
>>46090392
Perhaps, but I need a deck for an upcoming GP and I'm broke as fuck.
Was planning on building some other deck but everything else is expensive as fuck.
"Eternal Vigil"
1WW
Enchantment
Non-token creatures you control gain +1/+1 and vigilance.
Will white weenie be viable this standard?
>>46090364
Baby Jace fits well in every deck idea, that's why he's so expensive. He's just good.
>>46090413
I know, he's crazy good. That looting and -3 for this deck though, HNNNNG
Wish I had bought a set when he was $15 or whatever, I could have stomached that. Origins is under-opened too so I only see his price climbing in the future
>>46090311
>That tentacle
Wizards sure is giving fuel for every possible theory of what the mystery of cryptoliths is aren't they? Making us go mad with ideas....
I really want to love this card, especially the flip because Prowess is that good shit, but something about it just feels not-good
>>46090453
And the flip
>>46090459
>>46090453
based Seb McKinnon, I love his art
>>46090180
A) Concerted Effort doesn't die to a bolt or removal in general
B) Concerted Effort is during upkeep not combat
C) Odric doesn't give protection
>>46090459
This really reminds me of bloodborne for some reason
>>46090469
Generic eldritch Victorian aesthetic?
>>46090490
No just his style, it's very refreshing compared to the generic CG pseudo-realism stuff
He did Topplegeist in SOI too
>>46090413
Don't worry, they'll reprint him and Ugin next duels deck.
>>46090412
>Anafenza
>Knight of White ochid
>Kytheon
>Toppelgeist
>Arashin Foremost
I guess so? Although there will be a lot of boardwipes after this set comes out.
>>46090476
>Victorian setting beset by eldritch horrors from the beyond
>Investigating THE TRUTH
They are very similar but I doubt it was on purpose. That piece in particular is very reminiscent of BB
>>46090555
It reminds me of my goddamned cat just slowly pushing on things until they fall over.
>>46090506
I pulled a foil of this card in a draft a little while ago, it's gorgeous. Too bad the card itself is fucking awful.
Will Zombie Reanimator be viable in this standard?
>>46090581
Topplegeist a cute
>>46090408
So what do we know about the horror hiding in Innistrad
It can twist body like we can see on Magnifying Glass and Incorrigible Youths
It also corrupt matter like we can see on Daring Sleuth and Thrabe inspector
It like tentacles like we can see on Paranoid Parish-Blade and again on Incorrigible Youths
It probably hide in/ will appear in/is related in some way with the Drownyard like Epiphany at the Drownyard and Drownyard Temple hint
Now there is still thing we don't know, does it control Nahiri or does Nahiri act alone to attract this horror to Innistrad to take revenge on Sorin. I would go with the first hypothesis because it seems that this entity is able to make people angry,Nahiri is a lithomancer and making Avacyn and the angel go on a crusade against the human isn't something her magic could do, but maybe I'm wrong about that. So the entity first manipulated Nahiri and then through her Avacyn and the angels.
I want it to be Marit Lage.
It probably won't be them.
>>46090630
My theory is rather than as vengeance against Sorin for whatever the slight against her was, she has chosen to unleash or summon an ancient horror trapped on his plane (or Emrakul).
She is likely using the cryptoliths to this end and she may or may not be the one corrupting Avacyn using the cryptoliths. Whatever the case, she is likely the instigator and doing this of her own free will without manipulation for a spiteful, petty reason.
>>46090625
More likely than it is in a lot of other standards but you'll be expected to splash blue.
Not only but WotC has spent the last week showing off planeswalkers and RB vampires, so you'll need to wait until next week for any zombie goodness.
>>46090555
>Wasting trips on lies
WotC is notorious for copying anything their shit employees like.
>>46090706
hmm, thought there wouldn't be any space for blue since there are some great zombies in DTK and Origins
>>46089746
You don't like collar-bone eyes?
>>46090630
I figure it's yet another case of "good aligned character corrupted by eldritch abomination", which I really think is overdone and lame by this point. If it's just Nahiri acting alone that would be intense though. I mean, she's trying really hard to destroy the plane with the monster she's luring in.
>>46090710
Bloodborne wasn't out by the time design and development started on this set.
>>46090710
>>46090752
>overdone and lame by this point
In Magic or just in general? I don't disagree
>>46090630
>>46090670
Considering that Nahiri seems to be focusing her efforts on the ocean, TITI's flip flavor text, the clue token's flavor text, and the Gitrog toad being one of the horrors cults worship, I'd say that Nahiri's fishing for something native to Innistrad
>>46090752
>If it's just Nahiri acting alone that would be intense though.
especially if she gets murdered for it
Planeswalkers playing nice is boring, and the main reason I'm butthurt they didn't let the Garruk/Liliana thing play out a bit more.
I really hope Nahiri is acting of her own accord, we don't get enough white-aligned bad guys
>>46090630
This is clearly the work of the Cabal.
>>46090794
I'd argue we have too many bad guys and open plot threads already, and that the best antagonist already has the color nailed.
>>46090453
I know that the name already belongs to Sakura-tribe Elder, but I'm calling him steve.
>>46090710
They'd been wanting to do Gothic horror as a set for a while, but couldn't convince the higher ups it would be popular until they talked them into it by showing how popular vampires and werewolves currently were because of Twilight, and then they managed to make Innistrad.
>>46090794
If she is summoning Emrakul, we aren't finding out in this set. They've already spoiled a white artifact with an anthem effect as card number 001, so no colourless creatures in the set.
>>46090811
>we have too many bad guys and open plot threads already
I suppose but I guess you gotta keep people interested with new characters and such
>the best antagonist already has the color nailed
I agree
>>46090778
Yeah, I'd say this is the sort of thing that gets her killed even if she's just being mind controlled or something.
>>46090811 Is right about too many current threats. This set should be cut and dry with a clear resolution.
>>46090812
Why do either fit the name Steve? What am I missing?
>>46090843
That isn't Heliod
>>46089449
Gonna show a friend so he can build his angry farmer/squirrel deck he's always wanted
>>46090857
theros was terrible
>>46090857
Heliod just has a massive ego, no interest in the greater good at all
>>46090476
The lamps with legs show up in the Nightmare of Mensis alongside the eyes balls with legs.
>>46090864
The fluff was occasionaly bad. The cards where for the most cases good.
>>46090870
That wasn´t even his ego. He was just a massive paranoid asshole for the sake of it.
>>46089449
great secret tech for eldrazi :^)
>>46089449
Woah, synergy everywhere, into the edh it goes
>>46089449
With powers like that, you gotta wonder why they gave up the pagan rituals, I don't think Avacyn would have minded.
>>46090884
>The fluff was occasionaly bad. The cards where for the most cases good.
>Theros
>mostly good cards
Is this bait?
>>46090884
>The fluff was occasionaly bad
Which is a real bummer because I'm such a sucker for Greek mythology
I want more white human weenie tokens to go with the abbey, Sigarda and the double-token sorcery.
It feels kind of weird. They have so many pointers towards pushing WG Token Weenies and a bunch of decent support for them, yet we don't really have a single good token generator in white or green so far.
>>46090915
It had Eidolon of the great revel, courser of kruphix, gray merchant of asphodel and hero's downfall. That's about it.
>>46090928
We're still missing more than half of the cards in the set
>>46090934
I think all the gods see edh play as commanders too. Well, maybe not Heliod and Nylea.
>>46090934
Thoughtseize reprint too
>>46090912
Avacyn killed a fucking angel who wanted to make peace with the devils and shit. She would not like it when people start making clones from corn
>>46089449
>"Now neither of us will be virgins!"
>>46090934
Nykthos wasn't that bad, and functioned as a budget Coffers/Cradle for any colour in EDH
>>46090849
Sakura-Tribe elder is called steve because STE... and people needed a nickname for him.
I'm calling this guy steve becauseblue's clues.
>>46090915
>mostly good cards. Is this bait?
No it isn´t. It´s just my personal opinion. You´re free to disregard it.
>>46090934
Good old courser. Traded my playset of him and later good my shit kicked in repeatedly. Same happened with snapcaster.
Anyway, are we getting new spoilers tommorrow or next week?
>>46090952
I've seen a couple Heliod decks, they were both weenie overrun
Never seen Nylea though
>>46090981
>are we getting new spoilers tommorrow or next week?
Well this was on
>>46091002
where's the down side?
>>46091022
It's a two-drop rare, why should it have a downside?
>>46091002
Delirium Skeins reprint pls
>>46091002
I want to fuck her. I would even give her a bit of my blood if she let me fuck her
>>46090945
Yes, I know, but we're through a good chunk of the rares and mythics already and don't have one good "Whoa so many tokend!" Card among them so far.
>>46091040
Usually black creatures still say something like can't block or come into play tapped when they have power greater than their cmc
>>46091044
One with nothing reprint please
>>46091002
>upgraded Blood Scrivener in block with Madness, and with Madness itself
I like it.
go ahead nerds, salivate over all the meme junk cards
I already have multiple playsets of the best SOI card
>>46091040
I'm just having a hard time believing that it isn't retardedly, insanely powerful.
>>46091002
strictly better blood scrivener? The BR vampire deck just gets more and more insane, especially with Drana and Kalitas still around
>>46091075
Future sight? You're telling me they're reprinting future sight?
>>46091081
>>46091090
Well, Blood Scrivener wasn't particularly powerful either.
>>46091108
No you stupid nerd
It's Eerie Interlude
I'm going to have so much fun wiping you nerds out when I finish learning to play
>>46091053
>"a bit"
Vamps, not even once
>>46091140
>when I finish learning to play
>>46091108
Nah, they're reprinting the best card.
Better watch out Sorin, he's coming for your plane.
>>46091002
Jeleva says hi. Hope we see more of the Nephalia vamps.
>>46090915
A set can have good cards without them being powerful. I thought a lot of the Theros cards did a good job of bringing out the flavor of that world and some of them were quite mechanically interesting as well.
>>46091053
Thanks for sharing
>>46088049
So a RDW with 4x this and 4x Goblin Glory Chaser is basically guaranteed a 2/2 with menace on t2 most games. Plus they can run a few Zurgos.
That seems cool.
>>46091111
>>46091081
>>46091067
The downside is that you lose one life. That's black's downside.
>>46091233
>basically guaranteed a 2/2 with menace on t2
>play messenger
>opponent plays 1 drop
>no 2/2
>>46091176
>tfw this will probably be the last landwalk card ever printed
>>46091289
>Opponent plays 1 drop
What do you think this is, Modern?
>>46091289
Wow thanks anon, I completely missed that werewolf clause on the werewolf card!
Oh, but you also missed this greentext:
>play goblin glory chaser
>opponent plays 1 drop
>no renown
or even better:
>play a creature
>opponent kills it
>why did you bother trying?
>>46091176
>>46091352
could someone explain this meme to me please
>>46091176
If you don't attack on your next turn, there is no declare attackers step
Does the turtle disappear then ?
>>46091388
You can't skip steps of your turn, you simply choose to ignore them, they still happen.
>>46091388
there is always a declare attackers step. if you don't declare attackers (on the declare attackers step) then the declare blockers and damage steps are skipped.
>>46091376
A memorial to the Durdle Turtle, may his towering shell one day rest in peace.
>>46091002
HELLBENT BOB
>>46091388
>If you don't attack on your next turn, there is no declare attackers step
>>46091376
it's an epic reddit meme friend, you wouldnt get it
>>46091376
Meandering towershell was a big goofy card printed in Khans of tarkir which was flavorful as a giant tortoise taking an entire turn just to attack because it was so slow, earning him the nickname of Dyrdle Turtle.Then in the new timeline of Dragons of Tarkir, this alternate version of him was printed
>>46091402
>>46091405
Oh, okay
We learn something new everyday
>>46091176
>>46091352
Best flavor
>>46091376
Everyone was longing for a card that could be called 'durdleturtle' and one designer gushed about how it was the card he loved the most out of all the cards he designed because of how he worded the attacks-on-the-turn-after-you-send-it-to-attack mechanic. It was just generally received as a really cool card, nevermind its playability.
Then this happened.
>>46091422
>Dyrdle
I'm gonna assume you typoed rather than assume you're an asshole.
>>46091447
That run-on sentence is worthy of Faulkner
>>46091447
>nevermind its playability
I have a deck that wild pairs durdle turtle with novablast wurm. It's beautiful.
>>46091459
yeah, sorry. That was a miss-type. I'm not sure dyrdle is even a word
>>46091477
One could say it wasmeandering.
>>46091480
You monster. I love you.
>>46089409
>8 lines of rules text
Hope we get some good flavortext on the commons. I won't complain too much since mechanics are always more interesting than vanilla creatures, but it's a shame Delirium takes up so much space in the box.
>>46091500
CARLOS GET OUT
>>46091426
Eventually you'll learn to not post opinions on topics you know nothing about.
>>46091843
New waifu thalia when?
>>46091839
That was a question, not an opinion
Please learn to read before answering anything
>>46091843
There we go, that's the right shit.
>>46091843
New champion of the Parish, but slower
>>46091843
[white weenie intensifies]
>>46091861
When do we get the new Zombie and Spirit legends?
>>46091877
It actually does something late game though in a human deck. champion would just be a 1/1
>>46091920
Noice
>>46088682
He got vamped.
>>46091920
Neat.
>>46091920
Ok, non-native English speaker here. What's Fold supposed to mean in this context?
>>46091920
Fucking sweet.
>>46090192
Imagine how much 'woah'-ing Jace will make when he and Tamiyo visit Kamigawa to learn about Bolas and the Umezawa line
>>46091920
the madness thing is really good, but still a decent number of creatures with low toughness, especially amongst the vampires and werewolves before transforming
>>46091920
Its....shit?
>>46091843
Whelp, time to buy Kytheons
>>46091957
the group
>>46091957
Looks like cult.
>>46091957
Fold in this case is like "welcome to the club"
>>46091957
organization or group.
>>46091957
In this context, fold means a group with a common purpose or beliefs. The card's name basically means "welcome to our team".
>>46091920
Worse Threads of Disloyalty on a sorcery, that can be cost the same thing as the original one if it's discarded. Awful.
>>46092072
Can be cast for the same cost with Madness but wouldn't control a 2 or less toughness creature
>>46091957
A fraternity of critters that can't block
There's no mana left untapped
Got lots a cards to share
Pull up on easy chairWelcome to the Fold-y thieves
>>46091920
>getting your creatures stolen if unfun, and generates toxic behaviour but we need a "control magic" effect for blue every single set to check the box. I got it! Let's make it shit.
>>46092072
It doesn't work like threads at all. This cares about Toughness, not CMC.
It's obviously bad outside dedicated Madness decks.
>>46092072
but it can get something bigger for paying more. It's far more versatile.
>>46092072
Dude, Threads is ALREADY sorcery-speed and this can be cast as an instant if cast with Madness. Threads doesn't scale like Fold, costs 1 more than Fold is discarded, and was almost $30 at one point.
This is a really strong card.
>>46092106
into the fold isn't an aura though, it's a sorcery, so there's nothing to destroy to get the creature back
>>46092072
>>46092093
You're right, it's not even similarly costed under a specific condition.
The only thing it has going for it is the fact it's a sorcery.
Which one is most likely to give birth to their race deck?
Rank them from best to worst.
>>46090928
It's the clue tokens they want to push not actual creature tokens
Anyways there are a lot of eldrazi scion token generators, maybe they'd like that pushed
>>46092120
Not the same anon but
>really strong
Maybe in limited or even standard but I think REALLY strong is still pushing it. Every other format has access to better mind control effects.
>>46092154
Oh, yeah, I should've mentioned I was rating it for Standard.
>>46090555
>you will never be beset upon by a topplegeist that doesn't spook you or torment you
>just pushes shit over while you're doing chores around the house
>>46092143
Honestly, Rattlechains could be the start of a viable modren spirit deck.
Flashing in Kira or Geist of Saint traft seems real fucking good.
Also Topplegeist.
There is a 100% chance for a standard R/B Vampire deck.
>>46091022
The downside is that it's quite hard to get someone's hand empty.
>>46092106
Fold isn't an aura so it isn't affected by enchantement destruction
Fold doesn't care about the toughness of the creature once it resolved so a pump spell won't return the creature to it's owner control.
>>46092143
Vamp > Human > Spirit (might be overrating) > Zombie > Wolf
>>46092143
gorger is currently the best due to the high number of other powerful vampires we've seen. Not really as much of the other tribes so far to compare, but zombies have relentless dead to help
>>46092143
All of them will see play.
>>46092143
From best to worse
>Red
>Green
>Blue
>Black
>White
>>46092143
Lieutenant has the strongest tribal effects by far, but Falkenrath Gorger is playable outside of a tribal deck.
Basically, the vampire will get played even if vampires as an archetype takes off, but the human is the one most likely to create a deck on its own.
>>46092143
zombie and human seem primed to be cornerstones of standard tribal builds. the vamp looks like he'd be strong for the br madness vamps being pushed, but I think it's more likely that a generic red or br aggro deck runs it for just plain efficiency, and also maybe some cheap vampires because he's there. rattlechains might make something happen in modern, goodstuff/niche spirits has more to work with reaching back to INN and kamigawa. the wolf wants to make a werewolf deck work, but werewolves are garbage, so unless some regular old wolves show up being incredible, it's not worth it.
>>46092143
Lieutenant = Gorger > Rattlerattle = Colossus > Partisan
Keep in mind that Dragon Hunter, Expedition Envoy, and Kytheon will all be legal in Standard once SOI rotates in. That's 12 Serra Lions.
>>46092143
Im operating under the assumption that you mean for limited and:
>1. Thalias Lieutenant
Humans fairly consistently have good support and white weenies is likely to prevail.
>2. Rattlechains
Havent seen a lot of spirits but instant speed creatures is a big deal and giving evasion can help a lot.
>3. Falkenreath Gorger
Potential to give vampires psuedo flash but requires extra support, however vamps seem strong right now in limited so they could take the number 2 or even 1 with good pulls.
>4. Both the Colossus and Wolfir
Theyre the highest cmc and both make tokens if conditions are met. Unfortunately theres not enough spoiled right now in either tribe to know which will perform better. For now Im voting that zombies will be better but that could change with a couple spoiled wolves.
>>46092143
They're all alright, but except for the vampires all the other cards shown so far of each tribe look kind of weak.
vampire > zombie > wolf > human > spirit ?
>>46092196
>green second best
>not absolute worst
you are smoking some preemo shit, dude.
>>46092242
Humans can kinda lean on cards from earlier sets though, since they tend show up a lot.
>>46092250
It does trigger off your own spells, which I think makes it easier to get value out of, though in hindsight I think I would put it lower
>>46092304
white weenie humans is definitely going to have a lot of options, the question is just whether it gets there. I think the vigil's a good sign, when's the last time we had a three mana anthem?
>>46092242
humans should be higher since all the werewolves are also human until they transform. All the flip walkers from Origins(with the exception of nissa) are also human.
>>46092143
It really depend of the rest of the cards,
Falkenrath synergise very well with the rest of the vampire spoiled so far.
With Thalia's Lieutenant,Thraben Inspector and Eternal Vigil we will see some white weenie deck.
Rattlechains will probably see play in modern but there isn't a lot of good spirit in standard right now
For the two other they are nice but there isn't a lot of support for them in standard for the moment.
>>46092328
I want to use him in a deck with Zada and that cantrip that gives haste.
>>46092328
fair point I didn't remember, but I think the vast majority of times you're going to play it, maybe get some value, then your opponent basically spends a removal spell to blank its text box.
>>46092143
Can someone explain to me how the colossus isn't a strong contender for the best of this cycle? It's easily a 3/3 or 4/4 with no effort, potentially much larger as a late-game draw and gives you free bears for doing what you would already be doing. That all sounds quite good to me. Surely the problem can't entirely be the 1 extra mana in the cost right?
>>46091861
This
Where is everybodies' favorite white weenie waifu?
>>46092369
mindraped by avacyn
>>46092366
the tokens cone into play tapped, otherwise it would probably just be rated insanely stupid powerful. also if you drop it early it might be 3/3 or 4:4, but it stays there forever, so you play it early and get a potential token maker that's relatively fragile, or you play it late for a fatty thatcan be chumped. it's good, but most of the others are very aggressive. there also haven't been a lot of zombie shenanigans spoiled, so it doesn't have a lot of obvious prospects in standard or limited yet.
>>46092366
He's good but he's slow. If there shows up more good zombies he'll get played for sure, but not having evasion and the tokens entering tapped is a big deal.
>>46092143
Standard:
Vampire>human=zombie>spirit>wolf
The zombie and spirit ones could move up easily with better creatures spoiled. Rattlechains could also be interesting in Modern with Kamigawa spirits.
>>46092366
we haven't seen many other good zombies so far other than Relentless Dead. It's hard to say it will be good without other good zombies to use it with.
>>46091070
Why? It's shit. The value comes from madness enablers that a) do something themselves and b) offer some reward for discarding cards.
>>46092366
It's slow. Very, very slow. It also requires some setup to be ok.
>>46092369
literalraped by avacyn
>>46091090
BR Vamps list is getting tight.
>>46091070
That would be way too crazy in a set with madness.
>>46092469
>>46091090
BR vampires builds itself. It's be the scrub tribal deck that literally everyone builds, expect decent players to build counters asap.
>>46092369
new sigarda
>>46092152
I just can't convince myself that the entire reason for a token duplication spell would be clue tokens, especially with allt he tribal support in the set.
And doubling scions sounds pretty mediocre at best.
So, what are the best Madness enablers we know of so far? Jace is obviously great, but I'd prefer not running something like Ravenous Bloodseeker jsut to be an enabler.
>>46092492
BR vamps is going to epic for the win you hater, like BW warriors were before it. Tier 0 is here!
>>46092492
So it's the new BW Warriors then
>>46092492
I'm holding out that we get some more cool zombies and try to build that while everyone is clamoring for vampires. There were a few interesting reprints from original innistrad in origins(mainly skaabs), nantuko husk, fleshbag marauder, and sidisi undead vizier will still be legal in standard
>>46092469
>>46092492
BR vampires has to be decent, especially now we know there's a vampire blood scrivener around to help counteract the empty hand.
Grab your avaricious dragons and commune with the lava ASAP!
>>46092515
Lightning Axe is the other one I know of. Makes me wary of playing 4 of pic related
>>46092515
macabre waltz
>>46092588
I forgot about that guy. The thick plottens.
>>46092591
Good one, since almost all the vamps will be prime removal targets
>>46092515
There's some blue spell from the leaked booster cards that lets you get stuff in the yard
>>46092591
>>46092590
Both waltz and axe are good, but at the same time you do want repeatable effects if possible.
I guess the vamp that turns into mist could be good as well.
>>46092497
Well let's look at it in the sense that they would do everything to make the mechanics they add in a set playable, and so we will see cards from time to time that will push that mechanic while making sure it will still be playable in other decks
>>46092364
Yeah. I rated it more highly because it can still be used outside of a tribal shell to decent effect.
>>46092515
These are the madness enablers we know, this time with multi-colored cards too.
>>46092664
heir of falkenrath, ravenous bloodseeker, lightning axe and macabre waltz are probably the best to use.
Compelling deterence is more of a zombie tribal card than a madness enabler
>>46092692
But it could be used as one, if your need is that dire.
>>46092684
I'm hesitant to call that decent. it's a 3 mana 2/2 begging for removal and you need to blow your load all over it to get much upside. i'd accuse it of being worse outside of a tribal shell since in a tribal shell you can at least play it, attack with an earlier dude and pump that to make tokens.
Does this count as discarding? The cards going to the graveyard weren't in your hand to begin with
>>46092729
The cards going to the graveyard weren't in your hand to begin with
>>46092692
Sounds about right. Generally the creatures you can drop turn 2 to get one of the 5-drop vamps out turn 3 are going to be pretty good I think.
>>46092704
Only if you're playing zombies.
>>46092737
>>46092741
Didn't think it would, just wanted to be sure
>>46092729
No, that's milling. It helps fill the grave for delirium though.
>>46092515
Chandra, Flamecaller
Really hoping for a mythic spirit to stand tall with my bro rattlechains and bygone bishop.
>>46092756
Well that's something
Hoping for more Madness enablers, though the ones so far look alright
>>46090453
I feel like the problem is that he has no way to generate a Clue himself. There's a green card that cares about Clues, but she can generate them on her own.
I know "parasitic" gets thrown around a lot here by people who don't know what it means, but I think it actually applies to this one.
>>46092780
>6 mana madness enabler
>best
i don't think you quite get how this works.
When do they normally release all cards?
The week before pre-release?
>>46092817
I'm pretty sure by the end of next week we'll have the complete spoiler.
>>46092817
At latest: next Friday.
>>46092804
yes, he is a parasitic card, but if he's the only one that can be said about then that's fine, he looks like a limited doohickey anyway.
And these are the pre-existing madness enablers in standard, with 'madness enabler' being interpreted in a very broad way.
>>46092829
isn't it usually like wednesday?
>>46092804
There's a couple blue enchantments that have been revealed that have Investigate
But I agree
>>46092780
It seems a little slow, The vampires appear to be very aggressive, being able to swing in for 7 on turn 3 with heir of falkenrath and incorrigible youths, and more with gorger out.
>>46092848
Probably, hence the "at latest".
Brainstorm mode
4 falkenrath gorger
4 heir of falkenrath
3 olivia
3 drana
3 kalitas
4 indulgent aristocrat
4 olivia's bloodsworn
Lacking room for Bloodseeker, Asylum visotor, and the youths at 25 creatures
>>46092725
Obviously it'll be better inside tribal, but consider that if they're using their removal to effectively change your 2/2 with trample into a normal 2/2, that leaves you ahead in a lot of ways.
If they don't remove it, then using combat tricks on it or other effects can potentially net you some free tokens.
If you have other wolves to work with it gets better still, though I think its biggest drawback is wolf tribal not being very good.
>>46092874
Unsure if you want 3 kalitas, seems like a lot for a deck that tries to be as aggressive as possible.
>>46092835
Jace and tormenting voice, yes, srtificiers epiphany, avaricious dragon and salvage drone maybe, the rest probably not
>>46092804
He's the only parasitic card we've seen so far.
The issue is that cards that both sac clues for unique effects and provide clues are too complex to be common. So far we've got Tamiyo's Journal and Briarbridge Patrol that exploit clues in unique ways. I'm not sure how many other cards we'll get like that.
>>46092143
Standard wise the wolf is the best.
The deck is already there. Expedite, Slip Trough Space. Pump the swarm through Nissa or Atarka Command or to a lesser extent Arlinn.
>>46092805
she's a good card, and madness is a nice bonus for her, but you should run her just to turn on madness.
>>46092933
>build RG Werewolves
>throw in Zada
>>46092891
Incorrigible youths it is then
>>46092933
Except the only wolves we have in standard right now are Somberwald Alpha and Timberpack Wolf.
The only other wolves and werewolves we'll get are Innistrad ones - and considering that they're re-using the old transformation clause, all new werewolves will suck.
>>46093008
>the generated tokens are wolves
>there are no wolvesssssss
>>46092329
Three mana anthems are the standard. Two mana anthems are the good shit (Intangible Virtue, Honor of the Pure, Crusade, etc)
>>46093030
So the only wolves you'll be relying on are Silverfur Partisan and those produced by Arlinn and Silverfur Partisan?
Seems a little janky.
>>46090981
>No it isn´t. It´s just my personal opinion. You´re free to disregard it.
Not him. But I'll call you out for being fucking retarded for thinking Theros was good
>>46093008
Arlinn Kord makes wolf tokens
>>46092968
>build a shit deck
>throw in more trash
>>46090981
No spoilers at weekends usually. Maybe a few get revealed at GPQs and the like, but nothing from the mothership.
>>46093008
there's also the new card Wolf of Devil's Breach, but it looks likes it's trying to trigger madness more than be help for wolf tribal.
>>46093061
>not throwing in some janky combos in a barely redeemable shit deck
>>46092874
Is the mana sink haste worth it from bloodsworn? Bloodseeker is the wwy to go, I think
>>46093117
Can someone explain why that was a mythic?
Barrage Tyrant was better than that
>>46093193
>>46092874
Pick and choose your coming Standard deck.
>>46093061
>still playing competitively
>>46092874
Chuck in a few Lightning Axes and a Tormenting Voice or two. There will be points where you won't have a madness enabler on the battlefield.
I'd also play Asylum Visitor over Indulgent Aristocrat, which does nothing for Madness. You're not playing a sac deck.
>>46093221
you discard from the hand, so no loss of board presence, can discard any card, not just colourless creatures, cheaper to do by 1 generic mana, and the discard triggers madness which is prominent in the set.
>>46092805
>what is mana ramp?
>>46089467
>Hey, how about a BAD counterspell that if you pay 6 mana later on gives you 3 cards?
>zomb great, make it rare and cmc 5.
>>46093362
I feel like clues could be at least decent if we get more cards to either directly sac them for advantage or alternatively reduce their cost or give more when they are used up.
>>46093221
How? In what way is it better?
>>46093328
But you discard only when it attacks and it can't even target players
I do see your points though
I guess this is one of those Archangels Light tier mythics
>>46093349
>mana ramp in an aggro deck
>>46091176
R.I.P. durdle turtle
you fellas think token spam with ormendahl win con will be a deck?
>>46093043
haven't they been putting them at 4 with riders or planeswalkers attached though?
>>46093424
Totally viable, yeah.
>>46090843
Have we ever had a mono green villain?
>>46093397
Yes, that still has ZERO business being a rare card.
If it was like, 3-4 CMC, yes. But 5 cmc? It's an uncommon at the very best.
>>46093424
True meta buster right here.
>>46093410
It isn't that bad, plus it works along cards that affect wolf creatures
>>46093246
>no Dranas or Olivias
c'mon m8
>>46093446
not really. ezuri was kinda antagonistic, but most green villains have something else mixed in.
>>46093455
Oh, I never intended to sound like I thought that card has any excuse being that terrible. Even with better clue effects, paying 5 mana for a counter and 3 clues is atrocious. I'd even have preferred a 6 mana board-bounce+3 clues over that.
>>46093424
I have the bfz event deck I might try to retool towards BG tokens w/ ormendahl after rotation. I played standard a bit this season but I quickly lost interest after it turned into 4c goodstuff wankfest vs atarka red and neither deck was reasonably priced.
April might finally be the time to start playing standard again, things look interesting.
>>46093409
Wolf's ability only triggers on attack and can't target players, making it slightly bad
There are a lot of relevant colorless creatures in standard and other formats
Although that Tyrant butt is thin though
Just can't see why this wolf is a mythic really is what I'm trying to get at
>>46093412
>never played burn before
>>46093397
Cards that do things with clues either need to provide clues as well or be parasitic.
Cards that provide clues and do things with clues are too complex to be at low rarities.
As such, I'd expect maybe one more 'do things with clues' card other than Briarbridge Patrol and Tamiyo's Journal. Or we might just be stuck with those two.
>>46093446
Do you count Vorinclex?
>>46093493
The fuck?
Was MaRo already employed at wizards when that card was printed?
>>46093491
>madness in a burn deck
I'm sorry but SoI's madness is clearly designed to cater for aggro vampire decks. You can't go ramping-aggro-burn-madness-vampires all in one deck.
>>46093527
Yes, it's an ego-trip card. They've banned themselves from making them now.
There's a few others around, it's just hard to spot them at times. Maro is the most obvious.
>>46093507
I could see one or more parasitic cards like the flip guy at uncommon as build-arounds for limited.
alternately, they might have more clue payoffs in EM. that's the set where the mystery gets resolved, it would make thematic sense if SOI gives you means to accumulate clues and then EM has ways to capitalize on them.
>>46093512
eh, i mean the whole set was basically "everyone is the villain" except the red guy and I don't believe he was totally benevolent
But I guess vorinkeks counts as a monogreen baddie
>>46093543
>stop shattering my dreams of a standard burn revival.
I want madness burn.
>>46093272
Yeah, the axes are an auto in
>>46093567
Well... that is good to hear...
I am now suddenly glad, that I started with Avacyn Restored.
>>46093600
you missed one of the greatest standard metas to ever happen. you also missed the worst standard meta game to ever happen.
I guess it balances out
>>46093527
He designed it, but hadn't given it a name, so it went into the folder with the shortened form of his name (Ma Ro) and they read it as the creature being named Maro
>>46093455
>Wizard print powerful rare/mythic cards
Fucking jews, another chase rare to sell booster
>Wizard print shit rare/mythic cards
Waste of a rare slot, this should be uncommon/common.
When will people understand that rarity is not automatically linked with the power of a card ?
I prefer to have shit rare from time to time but in the same time getting some very good common and uncommon than having all rare/mythic be the only must have cards.
>>46093567
the "weirdnamehere tome" cards and pheldagriff are pretty well known vanity cards too, I think maro is the only one named by the guy it's named after though.
does nevinyrral count if he didn't actually work for wotc?
>>46093616
Do tell, I´m listening.
>>46093478
Drana is shit. I did miss Olivia, going to add her.
Will Gisela and Bruna be downgraded to rare status in SoI?
Will Thalia show up in Eldritch Moon?
Who's the new lunarch?
>>46093446
Black, and now white are the most common antagonists
Blue white and red are the most common protagonists
>>46093667
Well we have Thalia's lieutenant and there is no flavor text to say she is dead yet so I assume Thalia will show up.
>>46093667
If Sigarda was still mythic, Gisela and Bruna will be too
>>46093643
ALA-ZEN had a very impressive and varied deck roster. Playing jund in standard and going BBE into violent outburst into terminate was the most fun I've had in any standard environment. There were a lot of high powered cards in the standard pool and wizards still had some balls.
Then ZEN-SOM standard came along and ruined everything because of cawblade.
>>46093649
>Drana is shit
>not wanting the ability to deal 10 damage at t4
>>46093667
hopefully we'll have to wait on the second set for them, and they'll have chilled the fuck out after the death of Avacyn.
>>46093587
Current design philosophy is that creatures should be the most important part of the game and the reason why you win.
Do you play control? You're controlling the game until you get a creature out that can win for you.
Do you play aggro? You're playing lots of small aggro creatures that can quickly pile on the damage and win you the game.
Do you play midrange? You focus solely on goodstuff creatures with a decent tempo.
Do you play a unique win-con, perhaps granted to you by an enchantment that you have in play? You'll need creatures to block for you until then because god forbid you have enough removal to handle your opponent's creatures in this standard.
But you want to play burn? You want to knock down your opponent's health without needing to hit him with creatures, not allowing him to block with his creatures? How base, how vile! How non-interactive! We can't have that.Non-interactivity is the domain of blue decks, after all. And if you want to interact with blue decks, you better have brought some blue of your own.
>>46093714
They had corrupted art in the "shit goes wrong" story
>>46093725
I stand by what I said.
>>46093627
Not that guy, but let's admit our hearts sink when we crack bulk rares.
Not everyone bothers buying boosters but someone has to crack them to get singles.
Maybe we all would just like our rares and mythics be playable at the very least.
>>46093723
I remember when burn was playable. I miss Anvil of Bogardan :(.
>>46093747
>>46093725
>>46093714
>>46093667
But their card art's right here, anon.
what are the chances of Gisa or Geralf finally turning up in Standard?
>>46093627
>>When will people understand that rarity is not automatically linked with the power of a card ?
When Wizards stops making 100$ mythic rarity multi-format staples.
>>46093725
Can you by any chance post the corrupted art? So far all I've seen are Avacyn and some random angels.
>>46093627
>Wizard print shit rare/mythic cards
I really wouldn't mind this if the commons/uncommons strictly draft fodder with no value in constructed play and ultimately worth less than the tree pulp they're printed on.
>>46093764
I really don't see that second one as Gisela, there aren't enough similarities in the costume.
>>46093760
Well, some people have been saying that weaker burn will let them push other aspects of red (i.e., red savannah lions, etc.). We'll see if that ends up being the case.
>>46093764
Thank you kindly.
>>46093757
Anyone who said muh rares/mythics shouldn't be expensive is lying through their teeth.
>>46093702
>ZEN-SOM for worst standard
someone never played standard with OG mirrodin. when you ban the single most dominant archetype and it is replaced by a different single most dominant archetype your format is fucked.
>>46093764
>avacyn corrupted
>two out of three powerpuffs corrupted
Siggy is going to replace Avacyn's place isn't she?
>>46093817
What I want even more, is red mana ramp/madness burn with some suspend thrown in for good measure. Good times. Goood times.wishful thinking
>>46093809
>Ginger
>armor
>sword
>in sequence with Sigarda and Bruna
>>46093828
lorwyn fairies
>>46093702
>ALA-ZEN
>ZEN-SOM
best: Odyssey-Onslaught
worst: Mirroden
what were they fucking thinking with Mirroden, jesus
>>46093828
we all know that mirrodin was a mistake anon. I wasn't around back then, but as I remember SFM and JTMS got banned and valakut just replaced it was the dominant deck. at least that's how it went locally for me, I didn't pay too much attention to online MTG sources at that time so I don't know how the change affected the rest of the MTG world
>>46093857
>Slight Bruna, dressed in blue and white light armor with a flowing silk cloak trimmed in red lace. She wielded her staff, and its tip was already glowing with power, as if to strike down an enemy. Tall Gisela, cloaked in the red and white of her Goldnight flight, her twin blades already out of their sheaths. They are prepared for battle, Sigarda thought. She thought then of their other sister, the one who had died a thousand years ago, and she shivered.
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>The three angels had a long and complicated relationship with Avacyn. Gisela, Bruna, and Sigarda weren't truly sisters, not in any way that the word described humans. But they had come from the same essence, the same dawn times, and they had fought the horrors of the world together for a very long time. Before Avacyn had first appeared, a thousand years ago, there had been four sisters, one the eldest and most powerful of the angels. Bruna. Gisela. Sigarda. And the one they would no longer name.
-
>And then Avacyn had turned on their sister. It was true their wayward sister engaged in unconventional actions and made unwelcome allies. Sometimes she would consort with vampires and witches, even demons and devils. We must know our enemies if we are to defeat our enemies, she would say. She was often distrusted and disliked by the other angels, even sometimes by her three sisters. But the four of them had a deep bond, and though their sister charted a very different path, still she was their sister.
>Until the sister had formed an alliance with a demon lord, an act condemned by them all. Avacyn had declared her a heretic, an accomplice to the very monsters Avacyn and all the angels were sworn to defeat. The three other sisters had agreed with Avacyn, but did not join Avacyn in her crusade against their dark sister. Avacyn had not needed their help. A thousand years ago, Avacyn single-handedly destroyed their sister and her entire small flight, and they had made the very mention of her name forbidden.
>>46093866
Avacyn and Bruna got to keep a very similar aesthetic when they were corrupted that one is very different than her non corrupted form people were also saying similar stuff about pic related and clipped wings.
>>46093908
Bruna wasn't wearing blue armor and had black hair
>>46093906
>passive aggressive office politics
>>46093723
EDH retard here. I was told the reason Red sucks so hard is because burn is actually really good in 20 life formats. And now you're telling me that's not the case for standard? What about modern? Sounds like the only format left.
>>46093924
>>46093809
Different artists. They can't always get the same artist on for art of a new card of the same character.
>>46093944
It's good in eternal formats that have 20 life.
>>46093931
>Yes, it's an ego-trip card
The blood soaked wing remind me so much of H5 seraph
>>46093906
So this pretty much means the fourth sister is not Marycz or whatever her name was unless we get a retcon.
>>46093946
>similar aesthetic
>only way you can tell it's Bruna is the staff
>>46093924
>>46093978
There are a lot of callbacks here such as the flares on the back of the armor as well the little butterfly like things on the legs.
>>46093978
New-Bruna is neon-blue burst-of-lightning lighting while Old-Bruna is in sunlit-clouds sepia lighting. Of course the hair and armor looks different in that.
>>46093966
I guess that's something at least.
>>46093908
Neat. It's Don't Tread on Me: The Card.
>>46093944
it's good in formats that can put 12-16 lightning bolts in their deck.
>>46093998
Compare that to this the sword is different the armor is different the color tones are different the hair doesn't even look particularly red.
>>46094043
So exactly like the Bruna art
>>46093944
>Red sucks in EDH because burn is bad
I came here to laugh at you
>>46094060
Not exactly. New-Bruna's armor is like Old Bruna's simplified down the a single blue color and drawn in a completely different style, with her hair gone blue due to the ambient lighting. New-Gisela's armor has nothing in common with old-Gisela's armor and only has a single sword with nothing in common with the old ones in its design. She does have red hair, although it's quite a bit shorter.
>>46093944
You can probably get away with burn in Canadian Highlander.
>>46093944
You can win with burn in Commander. Just use Purphoros with token generators.
>>46094043
To be honest this art is harder to associate with old Gisela than the 'new Bruna' with the old, mainly because of the lack of a second sword. The two swords explained the ability of old Gisela.
I'm guessing new Gisela becomes a sort of punisher card, like Kaervek or Ruric Thar
What color will new Gisela be? Avacyn got red Gisela already has red will she still just be R/W, what about Bruna will she be R/W/U or stay W/U?
>>46094184
it doesn't even look like one if gisela's swords. bruna clearly has the same staff (though the new artists apparently missed the crook behind her head at the other end) but twisted as with all the avacyn symbols.
what if the art we're all calling gisela is for the BW puff? back from the dead?
>>46094226
Unless they play important roles, expect them to Taigam'd and tacked on to instants and sorceries rather than legendary creatures.
>>46094229
I would like to think that this new art is the fourth angel but so far we don't have any explanation why she would come back
Unless she is the source of all the trouble and the one Nahiri has been calling.
>>46094245
I kinda doubt that. Considering that they had cards originally, I figure they'll at least have cards this time. Especially since Taigam never actually got art.
>>46093998
God help me if that Bruna is America colors, I will shit a metric tonne of bricks.
>>46094314
He was constantly depicted with this card, in what DTK fiction articles he was in.
So I wouldn't be so sure.
>>46094339
Nah, she's not fat in the art.
>>46094296
We know that since Avacyn went berzerk some of her power like the cursemute stop working. I don't remember if she killed or banished the fourth angel, but if she was just banished it's not too farfetched to think that she could come back for the same reason.
>>46094417
>Avacyn single-handedly destroyed their sister and her entire small flight
Seems like killed but can't be too sure.
>>46094365
That card was mono-white though, and every card that referred to Taigam was blue, and the only colour overlap between the two clans he was in was blue.
>>46094417
>>46094296
My best is that the fourth angel won't come back and that was just some exposition the writer was forced to shove in to satisfy that 'why no orzhov angel' people.
>>46094428
This was before his card art. Same stage we're at with these cards above.
>>46094428
He was quoted on a few black cards as well as a colorless card.
>>46094426
I would think that them mentioning it at all would mean they're going to use it later. Conservation of detail and all that.
>>46094441
>just some exposition the writer was forced to shove in to satisfy that 'why no orzhov angel' people.
But that sounds pretty plausible as well.
>>46093764
That's not Gisela, it's unnamed WB angel.
>>46094417
There is a excerpt of what exactly happened to the fourth angel in an earlier post.
That angel and her flight perished to Avacyn's hand
>>46094071
There's like three good red commanders ever printed.
>>46091920
Stealing Flip Jace will be fun for the whole season.
>>46094043
because the second pic is not Gisela but the unnamed dead 4th sister
>>46094581
The dead sister is dead and not coming back though.
>>46091920
I hope this is not Thalia.
>>46094591
Maybe she was black enough that she did like a demon and turned into black mana to be reborn later?
>>46094043
>>46093998
>each angel turns mardu and jeskai because theyre crazy
>each gets to play archangel avecyn in commander
We can only hope
>>46093944
Several commanders burn, they just usually are combo wins.
>>46094573
>have jace
>opponent have jace
>i tap jace, draw and discard Fold, pay 2uu targets your jace
>in response i tap jace, draw and discard Fold, pay 2uu targets your jace
all season long
>>46094547
Ashling the pilgrim is the only one you really need
>>46094368
You cheeky dickwaffle.
>>46092106
play a willbender if you want to keep THEIR creature you combo whore. Why do blue mages want so much utility per card?
>>46094547
>Godo, Daretti, Krenko, Ashling, Feldon, Purphoros
And that's just monored, but stay bad scrub
>>46094720
You forgot Norin and Fumiko.
>>46093630
Don't forget Mons' Goblin Raiders
>>46094547
>He hasn't built Kazuul
kek check out this nerd
>>46094748
And KikiJiki.
But of course that's just too cheeky or risky.
>>46093944
There is no burn in standard, the decks like burn tend to be more goblin/rdw aggro style with creatures. But they don't print lightning bolt anymore so burn as we love it does not exist
>>46094043
This angel on the bottom panel does not have bloodstained wings and is therefore not one of the crazed angels we've seen.
It has to be the ancient white-black angel.
>>46095045
Except... she does have bloodstained wings...
>>46090800
don't tease me like that
>>46095062
Not the way the other ones do.
>>46093828
OG mirrondin was it's own kind of retard
>>46095082
>>46095045
See her left wing, at the very top of the image. Her primaries are definitely tipped with blood.
>>46094720
Not that guy but purphoros and krenko are the same deck
>>46093828
You're full of shit. Disregarding Cawblade, once it was banned there were like 5 different viable archetypes.
Twin
Valakut
Vampires
Allies
Tempered Steel
Secondly, Cawblade vs Cawblade mirrormatch is some of the highest level magic play you'll ever see. The deck is tremendously complicated and the very antithesis of autopilot. It's not something you can pick up with even a medium skill level and do well with.
>>46095280
Why am I reminded of that 'Modern Eldrazi requires the highest degree of skill' copypasta?
>>46088049
Reckless Waif totally would have been very relevant if werewolves were a relevant tribe, though.
This is about as good.
>>46093543
>Vampire Aggro Madness
The dominant madness deck that will come out of SoI is going to be RB midrange, maybe RBx. But definitely midrange.
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