Wo are the strongest gods in 40k, and why are they Gork and Mork?
Do they even exist in the warp? I don't recall any stories about interactions between them and the chaos gods. Wouldn't the chaos gods want to eat them like they did the Eldar gods?
>>46052561
They do exist in the warp - and the Ork codices outright state they shrug off all of the Chaos gods' attacks on them. They're also way older than the Chaos Gods given the Orks in general are.
Only reason they haven't krumped everything else in the warp is because they're too busy krumping each other. They also ensure that Ork souls are given an endless afterlife of fightan' and winnin', instead of being murderfucked by Daemons.
>>46052586
>Only reason they haven't krumped everything else in the warp is because they're too busy krumping each other.
Just like the Orks in the materium.
This is why Ghazghkull has to be stopped or else EVERYTHING is fucked.
>>46052452
they win because its always 2 vs 1 in their favor
>>46052586
>Only reason they haven't krumped everything else in the warp is because...
Just like literally every major warp being. I like the idea of them being equal and all but to have the equality communicated by
>Yeah. I could TOTALLY kick his ass. What? No. Don't call them over.
just makes them feel lame.
>>46052452
Grk looks awesome, but Mork looks lame
>>46052452
Because gods in 40k gain power from belief, and no one believes harder than the Orks.
>>46053860
>I like the idea of them being equal and all but to have the equality communicated by
Ignoring the part where the Chaos Gods have attacked them in the past but they haven't done close to anything to affect the Orks.
>>46053878
I love the way Gork looks, especially the lightning coming from his eyes. So badass.
Tangent, I hate questions that infer the answer, don't ask who if you're imposing an answer anyways.
Fuck off.
>>46052452
Dumb orkposter
>>46054272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPhXA2zHCU
>>46054295
You're just mad because the Orks are the only faction who are always getting what they want
What do Gork and Mork, or Orkz in general think of Slaanesh?
>>46054655
I bet the Goff Rokkas appreciate their taste in loud music, and prolly some of them like their drug thing too, but they'd mostly be confused by all those lil squigs attached to their crotch.
>>46054690
Orkz are pure. PURE!
>the emps will never rescue isha and create a cute half elf babby with manly jaws.
Why, IT WOULD BE PERFECT
>>46054655
muckin about
bad moons toe the line with their obsession with flash
>>46054752
That does make me wonder, what did Gork 'n Mork think of Emps in his prime? He was a roight shoiny git who was good at a scrap fer sure.
>>46054752
Isha is Nurgle's bitch.
>>46054779
hence the rescue part.
>>46054778
probably think of him like a flash git
>>46054807
>probably think of him like a flash git
Guy fought entirely in melee though when not using his psi-powers. he even had a fuckass huge claw!
They prolly respected him a little, but that just made the Orks want to fight him more!
now he's just sum git on a couch
>>46054858
with a lot of boyz.
If they like anyone in the warp, its him.
>>46054779
And the emps is gonna save her and get a nice tender loving waifu.
>>46054913
>implying Emprah would ever consort with an alien
>>46054913
>Slaanesh's used goods
>nice tender loving waifu
Nah. Also
>Emperor ever wanting ANYTHING to do with xenoscum
>>46054952
>she cries all the time.
>emps is suffering all the time.
ITS A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN.
>>46054942
>what is the webwway project.
>>46054989
>what is the webwway project.
Bub, the Eldar didnt create the Webway, the Old Ones Did. The Eldar just stole it while they were getting krumped by the Krorks and the Enslavers at the same time. Emps just wanted to steal it from them for safer FTL travel.
>>46055010
but if he wants to work with frogs tech, he probably wants to have a qt space elf goddess waifu.
Its either all or none.
>>46055035
>but if he wants to work with frogs tech, he probably wants to have a qt space elf goddess waifu.
Not quite. The Necrons seem like a much more beneficial alliance with the Imperium than the Eldar, considering the Necrons aren't a dying race, they're just waking up after one groggy-ass nap, are immune to the warp, and have supertech.
If only the majority of the Necrons weren't smug, superior assholes - oh wait, so are the Eldar.
>>46055064
But all they want to do is reverse the biotransfer by using people as cattle.
Also didn't humanity have supertech too? I mean when orks are just vermin that can be cleaned at the push of a button, its alright.
>but wait so are the eldar.
they actually have a fertile goddess that the emps can put his warpeenus in though.
>>46055123
>But all they want to do is reverse the biotransfer by using people as cattle.
Only some of them - each dynasty has its own goal. Like Trazyn and his endless search for loot.
Some of them like the Maynarkhs would just have to go, crazy assholes.
>I mean when orks are just vermin that can be cleaned at the push of a button, its alright.
if that were the case, the Orks would have died during the Dark Age of Technology. You can never really get rid of the Orks, it's a fact of nature - after all, the Old Ones invented them to fight a war against the Necrons, who owned shit like the World Engine.
>>46055188
yeah, but the CWE and exodites as a whole are alright.
DEldar have to die.
>DaOT tech
But humanity had a lot of wacky tech that was awesome too.
the pharos thing that teleported without making use of the warp
All the timeywimey stuff on the speranza.
>>46052452
>They're still arguing about the power levels of characters in a metaplot that hasn't changed in three decades
>>46055240
Yeah, they had TONS of cool tech - just not as much compared to the Necrons. A Necron-human alliance would be beneficial as it would let the two techs mingle and the Imperium would become Stronger.
I wish the Emprah was up so that the Imperium could become a less grimdark, stupid place.
And yea, I could see the benefit of the Eldar. I still think the non-asshole Necrons would be a good alliance as well.
>>46055313
why not both?
I mean, gripderp aside you would think that the imperium is a big enough place for the eldar to have semi stable alliances with different parts.
Like some far flung sector everyone has forgotten about that the eldar use as allies. Kinda like that planet vulkan torched.
>>46055428
An ideal world would have both alliances, yea.
Tau can go fuck themselves, though.
>>46055463
I can agree.
>tfw no funky planet where you have eldar and humans living together.
I loved the descriptions in The tyrion and teclis books, very warm and fuzzy.
So EmpsxIsha when?
>>46052452
Yeah, but who's stronger, Gork or Mork?
>>46052586
As far as I can tell, Gork and Mork are only older than Slaanesh, the other Chaos Gods are as old as sentient life.
>>46056605Be'lakor
>>46054295
Get a load of dis git.
>>46052452
>Wo are the strongest gods in 40k, and why are they Gork and Mork?
Source?
The rulebook says the Chaos Gods are most powerful and dangerous deities in the Warp.
>>46053966
>Ignoring the part where the Chaos Gods have attacked them in the past
Source?
>>46055258
wot argument iz dere? we all know gork an' mork's da strongest!
>>46056669
>bein a git
>>46056669
Not him, but it does make sense as to why Gork and Mork would be so powerful. Out of everyone, Gork and Mork possibly has the most followers since almost literally every single Ork believes in them. Yeah sure, Chaos Gods have the advantage of having followers of multiple races, but Orkz also outnumber those races by a huge margin. A lot of the God tier entities in Warhammer 40k get their power from sheer belief. Look at the God Emperor of Mankind for example.
>>46056634
>the other Chaos Gods are as old as sentient life.
The other Chaos Gods formed during human reign, so that's a no.
The warp didn't even exist when the Orks were created, ti was just the realm of souls and the old ones chilled there.
>no one mentions the c'tan, who actually are materium "gods"
while that means they can be killed or shattered, they also don't need to be summoned from a different plane to fuck you in the arse.
>>46058227
Yeah, C'tan would prolly fuck everything if they managed to reform.
>>46054778
>>46054858
>>46054889
>ORKS AND THE CULT OF THE IMPERIUM
>The Orks know men worship the Emperor as a deity and have seen his shrines on many worlds. The Orks regard him as the war god of the humans, something which they can relate to since their own gods are war gods. They see the Emperor as the power behind vast armies, fleets and military technology. That his servants are weedy humans does not alter the view that the Emperor is a powerful deity of war, accorded almost equal status to Gork and Mork, for he has sent his armies against Orkdom for millennia.
Dumping some older fluff, from Waaargh the Orks!
>>46058326
Orks and Chaos
>>46058326
>no choppa
>no dakka
>no flash bitz
Had the artist assigned to draw Gork and Mork ever read a word of the fluff?
Gork and Mork fuse.
What happens?
Can they murder all the chaos gods that way?
>>46058348
Orks and the Imperial Cult, where the bit in >>46058292 came from.
>>46058375
And the Gargant story, "In the Warp, Something Stirred".
>>46053860
>>46058348
>that one time Gork & Mork kicked Nurgle's ass so hard he turned into a squig
>>46052586
And the Chaos codex states that the Chaos gods are the strongest. As usual, the fanboys of the various factions can't hear each other over the sound of all the fapping.
>>46058278
the void dragon, mate
One of the most badass c'tan and is just napping under the surface of mars
>>46058658
didn't GW justify shit like that by saying all codices are lying books full of propaganda
we'll never know the true ultimate god
>>46058745allah
>>46058745
Suits me just fine. I make damn sure in every campaign I GM to let everyone know fanboy arguments are not acceptable, and every faction will get their share of glory.
>>46058800
Very admirable! it's rare to see somebody who doesn't enter favoritism mode
>>46058745
are orks capeble of creating propaganda? I mean its more or less straight forward with them, who hits the hardest is the best, you dont need to tell people that, they can see it for themselves, after all X is bos for a reason.
>>46059588
I think in da orks' case it's stories
but given how orks work, it's probably all true
eat shit chaos
>>46059588
Ghazghkull has been stated to be a propaganda master compared to other ork warlords, so it's likely, and if black library is correct the Beast was too.
>>46059780
So what? He tells the other orks how good he crumped other orks and they belive him?
>>46060359
i mean
he's pretty good at krumpin'
>>46060375
but if you krump em good would telling other boyz how good at krumping you are propaganda?
>>46058326
>>46058348
Why can't anyone accept that Orkz are the only good race
>Green
>Loves to fight
>Isn't set back by shitty human emotions like lust or envy
>Green
>Strong as fuck
>Most successful race in the Galaxy
>Literal reality warpers
>>46060574
that's your opinion and you're entitled to it
>>46058365
They would be able to beat pic related in a fight.
>>46060623
u git.
>>46060628
shit man anyone can beat him
>>46053886
Isn't that more Terry Pratchett and the Discworld universe?
Where did you source that from?
Also, as an aside, on that logic the Imperial Creed should make Empz even stronger?
>>46060657
except you.
>>46058745
Even if the lore isn't literally propaganda taken straight from within the setting (as GW rarely does in-universe POV fluff anymore, if at all) a codex will still naturally present the army it's about in a favourable light, and may sometimes take liberties with "the truth" - or what other sources might say is the truth - to do so.
Then there's all the times something building on or referencing established material just gets something wrong because the writer wasn't paying attention.
>I-it's all legends and half-truths, mang.
>>46059588
"Yer finkin' wot about all dose glyphs round da banners. Dat's easy. Dey're adverts - dat's ter say, lies. Dey say fings like 'I Grimtooth am best Mek' an' such like. Don't believe everyfink dat banners say. Some is lies and some is just boastfulness."
>>46060359
>>46052452
Chaos are canonically the strongest.
This is stated in the rule book.
>>46054779
Gork and Mork already stole the Squigs from Nurgle, why not Isha?
>>46058484
Was that Ork-Moses?
How would we make a daemon army for these guys? Spectral orks?
>>46067135
You know the Legion of the Damned? That, but Orks.
>>46052452
need a question answered fro me and a friend--who was the biggest, baddest ork?
i remember hearing talk of one who got so big and powerful he basically 1v1'd one of the primarchs (though he lost, i think?)
>>46068040
Either the warboss of the Ullanor crusade, or more likely the time that Magnus scaled himself up to the size of a Ork Gargaunt just for a good krumpin.
>>46055428
>what is tallarn?
>>46056634
Slaanesh was the last created but all of them were created due to the tempering of the immaterium by the species created by the old ones
hell there's probably even demons older than the gods
>>46069285
Be'lakor is the oldest daemon in the Warp and he predates the Chaos Gods but it's said that the Chaos Gods birthed him as their Firstborn Son.
Explain that.
>>46056857
I think most of the life in the galaxy is orkoid at this point and almost all orcs directly feed to two two gods as opposed to the rest of the galaxy being split up between like... 8 major (named) gods and who knows how many minor ones
>>46069304
it can either be the warp distorts time so that the firstborn was sent to a timeline before the chaos gods, since the warp has been known to fuck with time
a usual case of the scribes of the imperium having difference sources from each other which usually happens
or just GW's inability into consistent canon, which also usually happens
I vote for D, all the above
I forget.
Was it Gork that's cunningly brutal and Mork that's brutally cunning?
Or is vice versa?
>>46060359
And he krumps the one that dont
>>46063131
Ork Codex says that Gork and Mork are the strongest.
Of course, this thread is stupid for assuming this series will ever have a concrete strongest.
If the C'tan ever fully reformed they would rape everything else, and considering Deceiver willingly let the C'tan get sharded, he's definitely planning something.
>>46070267
>Ork Codex says that Gork and Mork are the strongest.
It does not.
>considering Deceiver willingly let the C'tan get sharded, he's definitely planning something.
That's headcanon.
>>46052452
The Hive Mind is, by almost al forms of logic, the strongest Warp-being that we know of. It has (hypothetically) the greatest number of followers, and they dedicate their entire psychic being to it instead of a portion like the other Gods' food.
>>46070341
Tyranid player here, the hive mind isn't a warp being as such, its not a pyshical single thing like khorne or emps or gork and mork, its more just a giant consciousness across a trillion trillion bodies
>>46058227
If they are from the materium, they are not gods. More like some super powerful and ancient xeno race like the cthulhu Old Ones
>>46071728
Actually, they are energy being that part of the fundamental fabric of reality.
They have more claim to godhood than the Chaos Gods who are energy being formed from the emotional energies of lesser beings.
>>46058350
>Squats.
Do you have any idea how old that lore is? Read up on the olden times kiddo.
>>46060676
Yes. Yes it does.
>>46069304
GW hates canon and consistency.
>>46069370
The answer to your question is yes.
>>46055010
>>46054989
>>46054913
>>46055064
>>46055035
>>46055123
>>46055188
>>46055240
>>46055463
>>46055428
>>46055313
>all this heresy
>so little time
It is like you like burning heretic
>>46071882
The emperor was okay with the eldar, he even offered them a place in the imperium if they were willing to share the webway.
>>46058160
>The warp didn't even exist when the Orks were created
It existed, it just wasn't as fucked up as it is now. It was a more neutral place. Good, Band and Indifferent.
But the Old Ones weaponized it on a galactic scale and made it an instrument of pain and death. Now it permanently lists towards the fucked up end of the spectrum.
>>46061675
>a codex will still naturally present the army it's about in a favourable light
So you don't play Nids do you?
>>46070341
Ok so why did Slannesh slap it aside to get at some eldar souls?
>>46071954
It was in the way.
>>46071908
I was just making a joke about how the Humanity would react to it. :( guess i didn't do to good a job.
>>46071964
Then how can the Hivemind be the strongest in 40k?
>>46052452
can anyone post the piece of fluff that says khorne is approx 40 percent ork. anyway what im trying to say is khorne is the strongest because he gets orkpower, he gets chaos power, he even gets power from his enemies. Hes like the hulk or some shit and compared to the other gods he has an extremely simple method of generating power without beleif (blood/skulls) which is sending his daemons out to kill some shit, sentient or not, win or lose.
>>46072038
Already posted here>>46058348
>>46056605
Mork, but Gork is kunning enuff ta balance it out.
>>46074308
ya git, Gork iz da brutal 'un, Mork iz da kunnin' 'un
>>46053984
Dat iz Mork, ya snot!
>>46074324
Youz a git. Mork is da brutal AND kunning wun and Gork is da kunning AND brutal wun.
Ya squig
Why don't orks fight chaos more often? Surely big nasty killy demons put up a better fight than squishy puny humies?
Nurgle is the strongest, you douchebags, by how no matter what he'll always win.
Entropy is inevitable.
If they're so strong, why are there no ork demons?
>>46074658
Yeah but when he finally wins at the end of the universe he then pops out of existance too.
Not really a win at all in ny book.
>>46074668
Pretty sure daemons are unique to Chaos, not all warp gods.
>>46074693
>being so dedicated to the cause of entropy that you sacrifice yourself to it at the end
Sounds like a win to me.
>>46074693
To refuse to accept your death is an insult to Nurgle, so it's only fitting he, himself, has accepted his own death.
>>46074668
Ther are! The brutally cunning demons are too cunning to be found, and the cunningly brutal ones are so brutal no one lives to tell the tale
>>46072038
UUUUUGGGHHH
people still like khorne? you'd think that aftee the forty-thousandth time some idiot has scream "BLUD FER THE BLUD GAWD" you'd recognize how pathetically generic he is
>>46074603
>Why don't orks fight chaos more often? Surely big nasty killy demons put up a better fight than squishy puny humies?
Orks fight everyone. Deh spikeys. Da humies. Otha Orks.
>>46074781
I think it's less people still like him, more that they recognize GW's favoritism for everybody's generic red devil.
Nurgle is the way to go.
>>46066116
Isha will be the bridge that will get Gork and Mork to work together and conqure the univeres... via squigroast.
... Man that was a little to lewd even for me.
>>46060676
>Where did you source that from?
How new are you?
In 40k the thoughts and emotions of warp-sensitive species like eldar, humans orks and so on are reflected in the warp. Once they reach critical mass, they some times stop being mere reflections and become sentient warp beings. This is how all the Chaos Gods came about, the newest addition to the pantheon, Slaanesh, was birthed out of the decadence and excess of the Eldar Civilization at the height of it's power and hedonism. Khorne is frequently mentioned to probably be the first Chaos god since violence and aggression are so universal and primitive.
The whole essence of the chaos gods are that they are the personification of emotions and impulses of sentient beings that became so strong that they can now directly influence and instill those very emotions in mortals. Image you're starting a fire. Eventually the fire gets out of hand, and somehow comes alive, and starts setting shit on fire and tempt people into becoming pyros. That's what a chaos god is like, except instead of fire it's emotions and impulses like Rage/Ego/Thirst for knowledge/Fear of death.
>>46054655
Like those other pansy gitz, but muckin' about even more.
>>46074890
>Khorne is frequently mentioned to probably be the first Chaos god since violence and aggression are so universal and primitive.
Isn't Nurgle the first Chaos God? He just didn't become Sapient for a long while.
Death and Decay have always existed longer than violence and bloodshed have.
>>46055853
Once Draigo rescues her from Nurgle in exchange for her healing the Emperor.
>>46074942
Death and decay didn't give birth to nurgle, the despair and will to live/cling to any hope of sentient beings did.
Stuff dying isn't enough on it's own, it's the feelings and thoughts of those who are about to that's the important part.
>>46074942
>Death and Decay have always existed longer than violence and bloodshed have.
Decay and disease are cell-to-cell warfare, boyo. Or sometimes even smaller-scale warfare when viruses or prions get involved.
>>46075013
The desire to live has probably been around longer than the desire to kill though, and its intent that matters.
>>46075000I'm 99% sure making that stupid motherfucker the oldest chaos god is another instance of GW Khorne favoritism.
C'tan are older than all of them anyway - does that mean the Nightbringer sowing fear of death in all sapient life indirectly gave birth to Nurgle?
>>46075062
Nightbringer didn't spread the fear of death, he spread the concept of the reaper as the anthropomorphization of death.
>>46075051
But you're missing the point.
Who is going to feed the nascent chaos god with their emotions and actions the most?
A ruthless warrior or someone who's about to die?
Nurgle feeds on something that's pretty universal, but it's the last embers of life before the fire goes cold.
Khorne feeds on the inferno.
>>46075127
No.
The Oldcron codex AND the Nightbringer novel says he spread the fear of death and morality into all living things.
Only the korks escaped this.
>>46075156
Its a matter of who was first though, and it that case the basic struggle to survive at all is going to outwiegh the early killings out of hunger.
No doubt once you get to more complex organisms though, Khorne leaps in power. He would have gotten stronger than Nurgle sooner, but Nuegle would have started almost as soon as life itself.
Then Tzeentch doesn't appear until you get really clever animals showing up, and stays pretty weak until Sapiants get on the scene.
>>46075156
The brighter the flame, the quicker it burns.Oh, who am I kidding, GW loves their generic demon villain too much to actually harm him in any way. More proof of their creative bankruptcy.
>>46075160
Even something as stupid as a grox is scared to die, pigs panic going to the slaughter. The fear of death is not the nightbringers fault, it's a pretty common feature of living things.
Orks aren't afraid to die because they are an engineered warrior race.
You can't really take the Eldar mythos about the Yngir and the war in heaven as hard fact.
Like a lot of 40k lore, we're being told about it by people Inside the setting, who have their own views and interpretations.
>>46075202
But that's the point, complex organisms are the only ones that count. Non-warp sensitive beings (more or less beings without something that counts as a soul in 4k) don't have a warp reflection, they did not give birth to any god-equivalents.
>>46075230
Dead on, if they did there'd probably be a chaos god of hunger by now.
wait
>>46075230
Considering that non-living objects are said to have reflections in the warp, I find that hard to believe.
>>46075242
You mean non living objects being used by warp sensitive beings.
A treasured weapon or tool can develop a warp presence, a lone rock on a dead planet can't.
>>46075240
>chaos god of hunger
>>46075209
>You can't really take the Eldar mythos about the Yngir and the war in heaven as hard fact.
It's not an Eldar legend.
The Codex itself tells you that the Nightbringer carved the fear of death into all living things. It's presented as an inverse legend but hard fact.
>>46075240
>>46075280
No it doesn't. Nightbringer taught the sentient races to fear nightbringer, and the image of death as a reaper implanted itself on several races. But he didn't teach the mortal races to fear death.
The fact that the Necrontyr discovered the C'Tan because of their unceasing search for a way to escape their inevitable death at the hands of their cancer-sun is hard proof that death was feared before the Nightbringer ever took a humanoid shape. Nightbringer became the face of death for the eldar and humans, but death was plenty scary before it wielded a scythe.
Think a little.
>>46075433
>The fact that the Necrontyr discovered the C'Tan because of their unceasing search for a way to escape their inevitable death at the hands of their cancer-sun is hard proof that death was feared before the Nightbringer ever took a humanoid shape. Nightbringer became the face of death for the eldar and humans, but death was plenty scary before it wielded a scythe.
Bullshit. This proves that you didn't read the codex. The Necrontyr found the C'tan while they were searching for a new weapon against the Old ones.
They did noit fear death. They glorified it.
>No it doesn't. Nightbringer taught the sentient races to fear nightbringer, and the image of death as a reaper implanted itself on several races. But he didn't teach the mortal races to fear death.
Just a second. I will browse through the old codex and Nightbringer novel.
>Think a little.
Read a little.
>>46071977
>Actually believing that any individual God's power is all gathered in one place, and as a result destroying/subduing a portion of its influence is a measure of its power
I bet you think that the whole "Gods having their own physical forms," thing is to be taken literally, too, rather than a pseudo-metaphor with perhaps an avatar somewhere.
>>46075630
>The Nightbringer is death incarnate. Its dreams are the stuff of every race's nightmares, becoming the very image of their doom. Every thought you have ever had regarding the horror of death and mortality comes from this creature. When it walked between the stars in aeons past, it left that legacy in the collective racial psyche of almost every species in the galaxy.’
-The Nightbringer novel
And (picture related) from the codex.
>>46075805
For good measure we will throw in the Eldar legend as well.
Gork and Mork can shrug off the attacks of the other gods but that doesn't mean Gork and Mork can beat the other gods.
One of the defining characteristics of Orks is their endurance. Not just as individuals but as a race. The individual ork is hard to kill, sustaining wounds that would kill almost any other life form. (Carrying your own brain to the doctor for instance)
As a species, they are next to impossible to remove. An ork infestestion of a world is only cured when ALL life is extinquished from the world by something on the scale of Exterminatus, Nids Nomming a whole planet or something like that.
Gork and Mork share this endurance but at a Godly scale. The other Gods can probably never truly destroy or even harm Gork and Mork but none would likely be defeated by them.
>>46075887
>The other Gods can probably never truly destroy or even harm Gork and Mork but none would likely be defeated by them.
A unified Ork race would roflstomp everything else in the galaxy, I assume Gork and Mork would replicate this if it were ever to pass.
However, that will never happen as GW hates advancing the story.
>>46075930
I don't know, Anon, Necrons have the ability to wipe entire planets of Orkz off the face of the map before their ships are even noticed. Tyranids are, hypothetically, both more numerous and have a more efficient psychic gestalt, they're also only going to get better at killing Orkz over time.
>>46075930
Because its a setting, not a story dumb dumb
Also it is partly in Orks nature to not unify. This is personified by Gork and Mork constantly fighting. The only way I see Gork and Mork stop fighting to stop the other 4 is if they made an active effort to destroy Gork and Mork. But the chaos gods are not that stupid. If they simply leave Gork and Mork be then things will continue as they are, which is what Chaos wants
>>46068040
The Beast you mean?
>>46075954
Nids and Orks are a different kind of Endless though. Nids are a tsunami of death. They arrive in a great force that washes over everything. Orks are a flood. The first trickling is only the start. More and more keep coming in greater and greater number as the fight goes on. The longer it takes to remove the Ork threat the harder it is going to get.
As for getting better at killing Orks, Orks in the region are getting bigger and the Meks are developing better tools to fight the Nids. I don't think one will overtake the other in the long run however. It will turn into an endless stalemate of ever increasing death. So a victory for the Orks.
>>46075954
>I don't know, Anon, Necrons have the ability to wipe entire planets of Orkz off the face of the map before their ships are even noticed. Tyranids are, hypothetically, both more numerous and have a more efficient psychic gestalt, they're also only going to get better at killing Orkz over time.
The necrons had all that but they couldn't eliminate the Krorks in their prime.
The Orks will never be fully erased - it goes against the very concept of the orks.
>>46076033
>The necrons had all that but they couldn't eliminate the Krorks in their prime.
You mean while simultaneously fighting the Eldar, Slann and virtually all of the other Old One creations that could fight?
>As for getting better at killing Orks, Orks in the region are getting bigger and the Meks are developing better tools to fight the Nids.
The Meks can develop better tools, the Tyranids can completely re-wire everything about themselves to destroy the greenskins. The larger Orkz don't really matter, either, they die pretty easily when overwhelmed by huge numbers, particularly of anti-Ork beings. It might start as a stalemate, but there's little reason to believe the Orkz would win.
Aren't Gork and Mork technically older than the Chaos Gods? The warp wasn't always the way ti is now, it used to be so chill the Old Ones just lounged about inside, and the Old Ones engineered the Krorks long before the warp sudden;y going insane led to them being murderfucked by Enslavers.
ahhh, enslavers
one of the many cool aspects of 40k that will never be mentioned again due to GW's streamlining
>>46076084
>You mean while simultaneously fighting the Eldar, Slann and virtually all of the other Old One creations that could fight?
You guys forgot that after the Old Ones were destroyed, instead of mopping out the remaining servants of the Old Ones, the Necrons turned on the C'tan in a destructive war that left them dangerously weakened.
>>46076188
>destroyed
that's implying the old ones simply didn't evolve and becometyranids
>>46076084
You seem to be underestimating the greenskins.
You know, the thing the fluff tells you to never, ever do?
>>46075630
Dude the necrontyr didn't glorify death, they hated that they were dying constantly, all races (with a few small exceptions) fear death, the nightbringer just caused such a wide scale death he imprinted as the image of death upon the younger races
>>46076318
Understanding when they're outmatched is not underestimating.
They have the WAAGH!?, the Tyranids possess a hyper-efficient psychic gestalt in the form of the Hivemind. They're biologically sturdy? The Tyranids can re-build themselves to be virtually anything they want if the Hivemind needs it, they are the apex of both biological and psychic might as a collective.
Literally the only meaningful advantage the Orkz have over the Tyranids is their ability to produce technology, which would be drastically lessened in a prolonged war with the Tyranids.
>>46076023
Actually I believe nids started getting the upper hand twice in the conflict, first time eldar fuck bombed a bunch of worlds to deny nids biomass, 2nd time ghaz showed up with a shit ton more orks to balance it back out a bit
>>46076084
There's already a canon instance of a never-ending war between Orks and Nids that's pretty well stalemated.
Granted, the Orks also managed to loot an Avatar of Khaine to help them out there, so that might be a factor.
>>46076360
>which would be drastically lessened in a prolonged war with the Tyranids.
Orks are winning Octarius already with Ghazghkull's help, and he's gonna get more allies.
In any case, the Orks win. They get a good fight out of it no matter what.
>>46076388
Then the Tyranids also win, they get to consume no matter what. So both complete their objectives, but the Tyranids are also more likely to be the last race standing if it comes to a galaxy-spanning war, which it likely will.
>>46076414
Duh, especially if working with the old lore.
Though, orks can grow on a space hulk, which is nothing but a shitfuck ton of metal slammed together, but so can genestealers.
They are both the most survivable race in the setting.
>>46076414
If it really turns into a galaxy-sized war, I have my money on the greenskins. Cus with that kind of pressure and good of a fight on the line, some mek boy is gonna figure out something to turn the tide.
>>46076446
Then the Tyranids adapt, then the Orks turn the tide again, then the Tyranids adapt, then the Orks turn the tide again...
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
>>46076388
Even with Ghazzy its a stalemate atm, Nids are built for this kinda fight, they snowball
>>46076467
Except there's only so many ways you can turn the tide, and the Tyranids can hypothetically adapt to all of them. You either destroy a Tyranid infestation while you still can, or it's already won in the end.
>>46076494
Actually, there are endless ways to turn the tide, sicne that's how the WAAAGH! works. If a Mekboy thinks it and there's enough WAAAGH! energy, he will be able to build it.
Plus, in the general context of the 40k fluff meta, you'll never really get rid of the orks, just like there'll never be an end to the Nids pouring in. it's like trying to say something could kill SCP-682.
>>46076494
They can adapt to all of them, but its been shown that Tyranids can only adapt to so many things at a time.
Rapid adaptations like that also limit their ability to field larger bioforms.
>>46075240
>Chaos God of Hunger
>Tyranids eat anything
IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE
>>46071943
First army actually, and (assuming this is about lore since that's what I was talking about, leave aside the state of the army list) I've always thought the 5e-onward complaints about them "never winning in their own codex" or whatever are hugely overblown. There are parts of Crudfluff I'm not happy with and could easily have a good old whine about, but nowins isn't one of them.
>>46052452
Fuck thineselves in your arses, ye green xeno abominations.
I command the most powerful empire the galaxy has ever seen! My men praise me to no ends, while your degenerate aliens are just mindless devils!
And for the love of my, stop interfering in my 5th-dimension-warp-poker games.
>>46077951
When the Emprahs body finally dies, it'll create a second Eye of Terror and a new Chaos God: The God Emporer.
Who -- lets remind ourselves -- has been worshipped more fervently than any one of the Ruinous Powers, and HAS BEEN FED THE SOULS OF 10,000 PSYCHICS PER DAY FOR 10,000 YEARS!!!
This isn't me being pro-Imperium of Man or being anti-Heresy. Its me just looking at the facts and crunching the numbers.
The Emprah will massacre all the Ruinous Powers by himself, and the only thing that would stop his rampage would be Gork, Mork, Khaine, Isha, Cegorrach and all the C'Tan shards joining forces....and that would still end in a stalemate.
>>46078281
Daily reminder that the souls of those Psykers are actually consumed, as in, their energy is used up, and maybe only a tiny portion is actually added to the Emperor's power.
Further, that worship itself isn't the only thing that fuels an individual God, it just slightly enhances the sustenance they're taking in from the worshipper in question, note that this energy is also expended and is why Chaos hasn't just been doubling in strength every few centuries.
The Emperor will be powerful, he won't be able to destroy Chaos himself.
>>46078281
You are a fine chap who knows his facts. You did very well, underling!
>>46078358
Are you implying you know sometihing about warp-related fuckery? That's a mighty non-godly paddlin' for you.
>>46077951
>I command the most powerful empire the galaxy has ever seen!
what are the old ones for 500, alex?
>>46078281
you're a fool if you think the Star Child will retain the emperor's goals or consciousness
after all, slaanesh sure did play nice and gentle with their creators!
>>46058708
Part of it is sleeping under the surface of Mars. Potentially the largest piece of it, but still just a piece.
That said a single loose shard of the Void Dragon single handedly exterminatus'd a dozen worlds before being put back in it's cage.
>>46078398
Of course I know nothing of Warp-related heresy, m'lord, I was merely reciting what was said during my previous meeting with the Telepathica delegates, I think they need to be questioned by the Inquisition.
>>46077951
How to spot a terrible 40k fan: if they think the Emperor is okay with the nightmare his master work has become.
He weeps on his throne.
>>46078461
He weeps, not because we failed him,but because he failed us.
>>46074958
I want this.
Kinda like one of those stories where nurses caring for soldiers fall in love with them.
>>46071882
Remember when the emperor's champion protected a qt farseer so that she could go and see her children?
>>46078499
>One unbreakable shield against the coming darkness,
>One last blade, forged in defiance of fate,
>Let them be my legacy to the galaxy I conquered,
>And my final gift to the species I failed.
>>46069146
what about tallarn?
I am sorry I don't know about it.
