Live Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo Match 5
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I sayAlphaGotakes the game.
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>>46026627
LSD
>>46026627
I think Mike is going to take this one easily, Chris has shown lots of weakness and Mike is really good at abusing him
>>46026627
Have you even been following the game? Have you even played go dummy?
>>46026654
please leave. at least have some shame about being a fucking redditor and not bring it up
>>46026647
i agree. mikes thickness is too much and hes going to punish chris all night long
>>46026656
I believe in the Alpha. Stay mad beta nerd
It's a vulgar move, Chris. VULGAR!
>points to the womb
>this is a shape
>yea it's the face of a horse, or monkey
kek
>>46026697
its not even a matter of belief, it is losing provided Lee doesn't outright blunder
>>46026627
LSD wins with that invade
>>46026717
M8 if your going to bitch at someone for posting something from reddit don't be surprised when people make fun of you for being a redditor.
Threadly reminder that all Lee Sedol ever had to do to beat the machine was pick up the knife.
Hmmm. Another white man. Could he be with the AlphaGo team?
>>46026636
Is this going to be a recurring meme now?
>>46026804
>tfw even the pros certified by the american go association aren't white
What is this man's accent?
huh I'd really like to see that live heatmap.
>>46026815
swede?
>>46026812
They are literally all Asian.
AGA a shit, EGF is where it's at
>>46026815
Vaguely scandinavian
>>46026824
>>46026830
I can confirm he is Austrian. Found his website.
>>46026830
Stops copying me!
>>46026830
>>46026824
Well well, Europe was the best at Go after all
It's getting pretty late. I don't know if I can stay up for the whole thing.
>>46026825
obviously, aga employed garlock
>>46026855
how do I get off your mailing list?
mike has the youtube channel or chris?
>>46026894
Google Deepmind.
just found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA7D88DMtP0
>>46026917
young mike-chan is so kawaii
>>46026917
Redmond really benefits from a qt asian chick that keeps the game within 5 future moves.
>>46026917
there's a bunch of videos with subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns96XaUmpR4
>>46026917
I have a friend who moved to Japan and it sounds so dumb to hear him do(or try to do) all the same mannerisms than native speakers do. Of course Redmond has lived in Japan most of his life so it's a bit different but this reminded me of that anyway
>>46026917
WEEB
>>46026944
It's good to assimilate if you're an immigrant.
>>46026944
it's just a cringe when japanese dudes try to talk like a rapper.
>>46026944
talking without the mannerisms is strange or just right out rude
the actual problem for western weebs is that they learn from animu or their nip girlfriend and so they pick up female mannerisms which makes them look like retarded faggots
>>46026970
>weeb
>nip girlfriend
lets just say the learn from anime
>>46026962
Yeah, I guess. Sounds pretty funny to me anyway
>>46026963
talking like a nigger isnt the same thing as just speaking in the normal and polite way
so you wouldnt want to pick up japanese yankee talking style but you would want to learn and copy the normal style
Mike just BTFO Chris again
>I should mention I only do the double move when I'm commentating
>>46027003
Nah that wasn't a shot at Chris
>>46026808
Look m8 there's a limited amount of Go-related nerd media.
Do you want content in these threads or not?
>>46026970
An old Japanese business guy once said to me "You hold your chopsticks even better than I do." A couple years later I realized he was probably saying "Aren't you dainty?"
Ear redenning.
Who do you guys say is winning at this point?
>>46027023
People who went to sleep 4 hours ago
>>46027023
Do you really want to know from someone who's never played before
>>46027023
Notta clue.
Could go either way.
Looking good for Lee though.
>>46027038
Kinda this...
>>46027018
There's limitless "Let's look at this board position" or "what should I have done here" type questions. But I personally don't mind a little memery now and then.
>>46027017
How was it not?
>>46027057
He was just playing off the setup Chris provided. It would have been a shot if he had shot down the joke.
Just got here, how's the game going. Is sedol getting owned?
I think white is gaining the upper hand.
>>46027072
He did by going on about how he would never do that in a tournament or any other game and it would be a loss by forfeit
Based custodial ITT.
>>46027109
A little early to tell, but nobody is clearly dominating.
>>46027109
AlphaGo isn't going loony, so it could be doing pretty well
>>46027115
well you are dumb
>>46027109
Pretty even at this point.
No nonsense moves from AlphaGo yet.
Not a good sign for LSD.
>>46027038
i have work in the morning
i know that i'm not going to see the end of the game live
but for whatever reason i'm not going to sleep just yet
>>46027038
But I just woke up.
>>46027138
AlphaGo did that weird thing with the Tombstone tesuji
>i would call alphago a strong player, too
mike-senpai noticed alphago
>>46027018
Never said it was a bad thing fren
>>46027140
I have a midterm in the morning.
>>46027154
I should also be waking up soon but instead I decided to watch Mike verbally beat the shit out of Chris for 4 hours.. and those hot calves
>>46027156
That was just weird not stupid.
>>46027179
>hot calves
im glad more people take notice
>>46027184
Redmond said it was an obvious bad play
I'm going tomarryAlphaGo!
>chris phone goes off
>>46027198
Seemed so but AG made up the difference elsewhere so it wasn't in hindsight such a bad play.
Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in ... a little rat meat. He had only two ways home: death, or victory.
>>46027184
I got the impression it was really bad. He said it was on route for a guaranteed LSD win for a bit.
Wtf was with the AYY LMAO sounds? Was it AlphaGo trying to speak to us?
Ke Jie has called victory for AG. He's called every game correctly so far.
>>46027247
Have they given a reason?
>>46027220
AG turned it around.
Not much else to say.
https://twitter.com/demishassabis/status/709635140020871168
>>46027252
Given he's ranked number 1 in the world he's quite possibly the most reliable source you can get.
>>46027156
>>46027270
>>46027252
White has complete control of the center and stonewalled the left side.
Got it in the bag.
>>46027274
Well most of the time they give some indication on what tips them off. Being coy is for showoffs.
>>46027270
>>46027280
This guy is just repeating what the commentary says an hour later. Same with LSD's god move last game. Everyone saw what happened and then he posted after the game was long over.
>>46027247
but ke jie is an annoying bitch
>>46027303
Teen prodigies are the worst
>>46027303
An annoying bitch who happens to be the best in the world at go.
>>46027303
I hope AlphaGo kicks his ass.
is there stream without commentary
>>46027330
just mute the stream?
>>46027313
teen anything is the worst
>>46027330
its called pressing mute
>>46027330
https://online-go.com/review/118817
>>46027324
It will, give it another year of training. It will be a clean 5 - 0.
>>46026585
1) I'm not sure that goproblems.com is the best online source of tsumego. I would instead recommend the tsumego on Sensei's Library.
2) The last two links are just clutter.
3) If you're making a OP based around beginner help, then you should mention the youtube lecturers Nick Sibicky and Andrew Jackson.
4) You should mention Gogameguru and maybe Gobase.
Please don't make me remind you again.
>>46027370
its not even good enough to teach anything new to the go world
its also ignoring that fact how much betago cheats and its just not a truly fair match up with a single human player
let lee roll in with a fiber connection, a white board to doodle on, a stack of go book and charts, and maybe a few consultants and maybe it will be fair
of course that wouldnt be a good match up though because betago would be smashed
its like having a car enter a marathon race (and then still getting beat kek)
>>46027370
Ke Jie is only 18 years old. How do you know HE'S not the one who'll power up in another year?
>>46027425
There are many layers to this bait.
Like an onion or ogre.
>>46027425
What are you talking about? Fair match? That's the whole point.
You need some sleep
>>46027440
Most men peak at 24 for intellect. TICK TOCK.
>>46027425
AI will NEVER be better than a human on an even playing field.
>>46027442
its literally not bait. its not my fault that youre such a lonely looser that you waifu'd a fucking male gendered chromebook
>>46027330
you can watch the game on kgs and igs. i prefer igs so you can go back through the moves without opening a .sgf
>>46027425
>let lee roll in with a fiber connection, a white board to doodle on, a stack of go book and charts, and maybe a few consultants and maybe it will be fair
No one touches the machine when they press play. Its been using a frozen image they built before the first game started. Its not like there are people tweaking shit while stuff is going on.
>>46027425
let AG evolve for 3 billion years(or be intelligently designed by God)
>>46027425
bad aji, the shape works locally but can not make life
>>46027462
but wouldn't an AI playing a human on a even playing field be simply another human?
>>46027460
>2 years left
>still not smart
oh no
>>46027480
its running off of around 2000 total cpus and gpus
does lee get to consult with 2000 go players for moves?
>>46027483
kek
you win the thread sir
>>46027462
Precisely, neural networks are just the latest meme. Humans of course are mystical beings who use quantum mechanics to process the world around themselves and we all know that quantum computers are at least 100 years away.
OH FUCKING BURN
>I somehow digressed. Maybe I was looking at a go board
holy shit
>>46027532
>>46027528
>>46027502
Why are you drawing arbitrary lines in the sand while the actual player of the game has no issue with this situation?
>>46027502
... nigga what? This is not an apt comparison.
>>46027540
>What's he thinkin'
>>46027540
based shifty-eyes
>>46027542
>>46027549
im just pointing out that if you think its a 1 for 1 fair match youre retarded. and this has been the argument that iv seen people make, that its totally fair and if the human were to have any possible "advantage" it would be absurd cheating on their part
its fine if the player has no problem. if you want to call it a fair match though thats objectively wrong
30 seconds!
>>46027584
I agree the human has orders of magnitude more neurons than AlphaGo! He's even allowed to think before and after the match!
>>46027580
What's for lunch?
>>46027540
>Chris checking his phone and being annoying
>Michael wishing he was Asian and jealous of >the Korean commentator
>Camera guy is ruining the shot by being in it
>Google QT is staring into your soul.
>chris trying to convince people he knows how to play go
OVERTIME!!!
>>46027584
yeah i mean it's definitely not fair, the ai has two thousand cpus and humans only have billions of years of evolutionary development
>>46027502
Do you have any idea how computers even work at all?
Do you really think 1 cpu is somehow equivalent to 1 professional Go player?
You are talking out your own ass right now.
>>46027617
>QT
Maybe if you mean Quentin Tarantino
>>46027584
Your problem is you think these pros for AlphaGo make it better than Lee Sedol. Did you know that AlphaGo was not able to learn from its loss in the last game? It wont be able to learn from it until after the 5 matches are done. Lee Sedol can learn from each one of his matches and figure out what holes there are in AlphaGo's code. Its obvious that Lee Sedol can beat the machine. He would just need to take time to find those holes.
You are mistaking this as an event to try to beat a human. The people who made AlphaGo see it as an opportunity to tune their AI. The losses are just as important as the wins at this stage to them.
>>46027635
She looks like shes wearing a paper mask of another woman
>>46027633
>Do you really think 1 cpu is somehow equivalent to 1 professional Go player?
Not currently, and not in the conceivable future, now that moore's law is dead.
>>46027600
alphago plays games against itself continuously between matches
>>46027667
Nope. It's completely frozen.
>>46027667
No it does not. The one facing Lee this match is the exact same as the one that faced him in game 1.
AlphaGo realized it lost.
Fun.
FUCKING CHRIS
are you okay???
Redmond is getting confused about the stuff on the right
>>46027723
Why do you say that?
Please give AlphaGo your strength
>>46027747
never mind caught up to the stream.
AG BTFO
>>46027747
It's making shit moves again
>>46027747
Forcing moves for no reason, like the last game.
>>46027747
Starting to play nonsense moves
>>46027747
It's making pointless moves, which means it knows it's behind and the only possible way it can make up the difference is to play a forcing move and hope that Lee Sedol is retarded enough to not respond to it
google's face when mike says "berserk"
they must be so upset
>>46027747
Its tiling right now. Its a sign the Monte Carlo tree search that its finding a move that will win .000001% or some crap and is playing it.
>>46027767
>>46027768
>>46027772
>>46027776
Yeah I was behind like 30 seconds.
ARE YOU SURE?
I think the reason it does plays like that is that the human plays that AlphaGo learned from were only good amateurs so there was a slight chance for the forcing move to be missed as opposed to 9-dans that would never miss that. The weights for forcing moves are simply incorrect.
Last minute overtime
>>46027815
I'm pretty sure for the most part it played against itself
>lee fumbles his last-second stone placement
>loses
>>46027815
the google race traitors said that human games only matter to set things off and have almost no effect at this point
>>46027820
the "human" layer was taught based on high level amateur games played on the internet.
>>46027815
>>46027834
its repeated over and over and over and over that the problem is a common sight with monte carlo algorithms
if it was actually playing like even a good amateur in those situations it would be playing better
>>46027828
It's a show match, even if he goes over the last 1minute they will continue and Lee is know for his last second placements
the cold hard reality of AI dominance is about to crush meatbag lsd
>>46027878
i take it youre not watching the game?
>>46027894
Lee just fucked up
Ke jie is still calling for a LSD loss...
What does he see that we don't?
It's funny when we have to wait for the players to catch up to Mike's moves instead of the other way around.
>>46027923
lees known that was going to happen since forever anon
>>46027938
He's better at predicting the late game than the early game.
>>46027938
Why isn't basedMike playing against AlphaGo
>>46027938
its because lee is trying to think of moves far into the future. his current moves are apparently easy to see for someone like mike
>everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen
>>46027976
>not using his classic raised eyebrow lookabout or his fucking with chris smirk
>>46027949
>wanting commentary by Lee Sedol and Chris Garlock
No thanks
This seems like a very back and forth match.
Can't tell who'll come out on top.
>>46027967
>>46027976
"I am growing stronger everyday" says local 9-Dan
>>46027976
fucking neo
>>46027981
I don't have an archive of Redmond images yet. I just took the first closeup shot I saw on the stream.
Lee's hands are shaking.
A sign of worry or eagerness?
>>46027982
>commentary by Lee Sedol
>>46027999
mike is also 52 years old
all this hype is making me want to learn go
alphago is winning retards
>>46028011
No it isn't, stop cheerleading for Skynet.
>>46028006
Lee literally always looks like he's about to have a nervous breakdown. Wouldn't worry too much about his body language.
>>46028006
Both, probably
>lee not even using all his time
we /godsmove/ now lads
>>46028011
ke jie says a certain AG win also.
>>46027948
Everyone is.
>>46028009
>>46027999
trips don't lie
>yfw AlphaGo drew a white rabbit with its stones
>>46028042
It's just easier.
Less possible moves.
What's this bizarre accent that Redmond gets every so often? He sounded German when he said "theoretical"
why did they play the 4th and 5th game
>"Well it's not necessarily a ko."
>"............gotcha...."
lmao no u don't u liar
>>46028049
He's a Jew
>>46028030
I want AG to win but I also want Ke Jie to be wrong. So win-win?
"i was gonna predict that senpai""you're an idiot""xD"
>>46028049
because he lives in weeb lands and is married to a nip. i imagine he rarely speaks english
see >>46026917
>>46028049
Japanese?
>>46028068
How is that a win-win?
AlphaGo going into over time.
>>46028045
I can't see it because I don't have autism
>>46028077
i thought he was married to a chinese
>>46028084
the statements "AlphaGo wins" and "Ke Jie is wrong" are mutually exclusive.
AG in overtime for the first time.
LEE WON WITH MOVE 203
>>46028093
I can kinda see it but it's quite a stretch.
>>46028093
maybe you can't see it because you do have autism
>>46028111
really? HUMANITY SAVED
>>46028099
oh yeah maybe so. i wonder if shes speaks japanese and lives in japan though since mike works as a commentator for a japanese tv channel
>>46028106
But ke jie is predicting Alphago winning.
So what's the main difference between this an using the star point as an opening?
why does lee sedol always look like he's ten seconds away from either breaking down in tears or going postal with a machine gun
>>46028122
Therefore if AlphaGo wins he's happy about AlphaGo winning
If AlphaGo loses Ke Jie is wrong and he's happy about Ke Jie being wrong.
>>46028122
AlphaGo wins - I'm happy because AlphaGo won.
AlphaGo loses - I'm happy because Ke Jie is wrong.
This is not complicated.
>>46028135
because hes an autistic asian go robot
What the fuck is happening
Wrap it up humanailures, the chubby korean man just declared that alphago wins by half a point.
hmm this is nice because mmhmmm
>>46028135
Resting murderer face.
>>46028137
>>46028142
Sorry misunderstood what you said.
>>46028153
NodOfCompleteIgnorance.webm
>>46028145
Someone left an extra white piece on P11 and it's making me autistic.
>>46028145
It's a professional level game of Go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)
"white has a slight advantage"
So it turns out to be all according to plan.
>>46028163
Black on Q13 as well.
>>46028169
yer a cheeky cunt I'll give you that m8
tfw michael accidentally left an extra white stone on the right side of the board
>>46028145
One side has to surround the other color's pieces with their own while also not being surrounded.
Very simple rules, fucking ridiculous inhuman mind games
"But i think at this point white is going to have a lead of a few points"
>>46028153
i was really annoyed by him for the first couple of games but now I just see too much of myself in him to really dislike him
hits pretty close to home - having virtually no idea what's going on around him but having to scrape by with bullshitting
WILDCARD PLAY BY LEE
>>46028123
It just changes the sequences that can happen.
Generally two stones "underneath" the star point is more secure than one on it and one under it.
>>46028196
>hits pretty close to home - having virtually no idea what's going on around him but having to scrape by with bullshitting
thats called being a human with a job
You guys think we're going to play until the end or will one of them resign?
>>46028202
GOD'S HAND
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did Lee just pass?
>>46028213
commentators seem to think we might actually see the end of this one
>>46028208
In this case, his actual job is to convince people to play go. Given the fact that we have a go general on /tg/ now, he's doing alright.
>Alphago plays the extra stone like 3 moves after Michael removes it
do any of you here even follow go? its a cringe to read some of the things written here. also, lee sedol simply does not lose in late game, period. hes got this
>>46028216
yfw lee wins
>>46028235
>michael doesn't put it down until 3 moves after alphago played it
>>46028237
I'm going to laugh at you when AG wins.
>>46028237
not that im saying youre wrong but the single best player on earth says lee lost
are you such a go master that you have a better opinion than him? shut the fuck faggot and go suck some dick
>>46028237
you'd probably expect the computer to have the upper hand during the end game, seeing as how it could have the entire board played out by this point, or nearly the entire thing.
Isn't alphago like 20 points behind?
they should do a best of 7, honestly. kind of bullshit that Alphago wins best of 5 when with these last couple games it really looks like lee's finally worked out how to beat it
>>46028268
On territory but AG also captured a bunch of black stones.
>>46028272
As someone who's completely uninformed, I think that best of 5 is the standard for professional go matches.
>>46028272
I have been wondering about this. I was thinking they would add up the points from all the games to find out.
>>46028284
They never do this weird shit where they continue playing on even after the series is lost. An actual tournament would have been a straight best of 5 which ended after AlphaGo 3-0'd him.
WTF is going on in the top left? They're playing these 2-stone moves but top left looks unresolved AF. Am I missing something?
>>46028259
what means is that if lee has an advantage then he isn't going to lose it in endgame because endgame is simple enough for both computer and human that he can play perfectly or only negligibly less than perfectly.
>>46028296
Well neither are they training an AI in normal play.
Remember that the Human vs AI match is only the secondary point of this. The main point was to figure out problems in the AI.
AlphaGo making small confident moves.
Thinks it won.
oh shit alphago thinks it's won?
>>46028328
That sounds like a bad idea when it's this close.
