So do you guys think this would be a new non terribad Tibalt?
>Cost
BR
>+1
You may have target player draws a card and discards a card a random
> -2
You may draw two cards, if you do, Discard two cards
> -5
Each creature you control deals damage to target creature or player equal to its power
>>46012806
>draws a card
Fuck, suppose to be draw a card
>nahiri will never rape you after her 10,000 year dry spell
>>46012773
Repeating in the new thread, in case you don't see it:
The Eldrazi were sealed 6000 years ago.
Nahiri awoke from her sleep 1000 years ago.
Avacyn's been around for a thousand years or so.
The Mending was 300 years ago.
>>46012887
don't stick your dick in crazy
>>46012806
Sounds like a $2 walker to me
>>46012961
she's crazy
crazy beautiful
So, who is excited? Delirium seems to be pushed beyond limited a bit, appearing on multiple rares.
I had honestly assumed it would be like Fateful Hour.
>>46012887
Guys who unironically think they want a crazy girl are either virgins or have only ever dated the most vanilla women on the planet, it's fucking horrible and terrifying
>>46012943
The mending was about 60 years ago tops.
>>46013010
What is this mending that I always hear about anyway?
>>46013008
This is total goyim.
Most people here haven't nor will stick it.
SIX PLANESWALKERS THIS BLOCK
>>46013008
Exactly, its scarousing. Thats why i caved in one time and went back to my crazy ex.
Damn, I was hoping for Sorin to be BR vamps-relevant
>>46012979
Nigga the old Tibalt is $2, this one at least $5-10
It's not meant to be super good, just balanced and actually playable in at least casual or standard
>>46012806
Tibalt, wrath of the cabal BR
+1 draw 2 cards, discard 3 cards
-X put x cards from your exile into your graveyard, deal X damage to target creature
-7 Discard your hand, then deal damage equal to the number of cards in your graveyard.
Loyalty 2
>>46013021
Google it.
>>46013002
not as cute as crazy avacyn
>>46012943
where was the events of Invasion in this context?
>>46013021
SOME SHIT was going down on Dominaria, as it always does, except this time THE SHIT was so bad it was cracking the time stream.
A BUNCH OF PLANESWALKERS sacrificed themselves to seal the rifts in the Mending, which also as a consequence depowered all planeswalker sparks (future and current).
Oldwalkers == "It's literally easier for me to reassemble my molecules 90 degrees to the left than to physically turn my whole body."
Neowalkers == Just the power to travel planes, plus whatever they have personally. Bolas flipped out after the mending happened, because his "merely draconic" mind could no longer hold all the knowledge he once had; super alzheimer's.
This card looks really fun.
>>46013010
You're right - I wasn't paying attention when I checked the timeline and went from the pre-Mending temporal chaos that prompted it.
That has it at ~100 years ago.
>>46013021
Basically, Interdimensional Total War fucked up the multiverse. Fixing it had the side effect of repairing reality *too* much, which weakened the nature of being a Planeswalker.
Because of this, Nicol Bolas became an even bigger asshole - though technically a much weaker one - in an attempt to not bleed off his ridiculous powers and become a mere super-dragon.
>>46013029
SOI:
>Jace
>Sorin
>Nahiri
>Arlinn
EMN:
>Tamiyo
>Liliana
Yep, that seems about right. All the important walkers getting cards this time around.
>>46013112
>"It's literally easier for me to reassemble my molecules 90 degrees to the left than to physically turn my whole body."
I fucking love Urza
>>46013029
Nahiri jace tamiyo sorin
>>46012943
>>46013010
>http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Timeline
According to that it was just over 100 years ago.
inb4 retards calling the mythic blue lava axe a limited bomb.
>>46013181
At least post both halves
>>46013176
Yep, I wasn't paying attention, and checked the wrong date.
>>46013181
You only have to use it twice to win in limited. Seems fine to me.
>>46013181
>implying it won't be a bomb in limited
Next you're going to tell me Lava Axe isn't playable in limited either
>>46013008
You're just jealous of my perfectly sculpted wife
>>46013112
To elaborate on this THE SHIT that was happening was specifically because the concept of responsibility and proper use of power was so utterly foreign to the oldwalkers that their bullshit had caused time to start collapsing on itself.
Take fucking Teferi for instance. When Urza came asking him to join up to fight the invading Phyrexians, he just said "Nah. Peace, nigga" and PHASED AN ENTIRE COUNTRY OUT OF EXISTENCE, figuring "It'll all blow over in a few years. Probably. Fuck it, I don't give a shit either way."
Wizards look like fucking saints compared to the Oldwalkers
>>46013252
It isn't.
Alright, let's get this outta the way.
Do remember her -2 can target artifact lands.
>>46013181
>he's never won a draft by dropping a late-game Lava Axe
Scrub
>>46013259
nahiri a shit, i hope sorin rams his vampire cock in her mouth by the end of this set
>>46013181
With this cast twice they are going to have a max of 7 cards left in their deck, counting for their opening hand. That's seven turns max, not counting this is a format where self mill will likely be prevalent. Doesn't seem terrible for a limited control deck.
>>46013136
Nah, Jace and Liliana go at it in the second block.
>>46013305
Literally the only shit its gonna exile is Darksteel Citadel
>>46013294
It's marginally playable, but when it is it can win you games. If you're playing balls to the wall Foundry Street Denizen aggro, Lava Axe can be a perfect top end along with some 5 mana 4/4
>>46013326
Reminds me of fps cover art
>>46013181
>implying the format won't be full of self-mill to support Delirium
>Implying you know shit about limited
>>46013305
>4drop
>lowest impact version of red draw
>shitty combat ultimate after 3 turns
Shes only good for her -2, shes not that good
>>46013309
I also have never lost a game because I was sitting with a 5 mana situationally good but mostly useless sorcery in my hand.
>>46013341
Jace is on the goddamn packaging. He was confirmed before any of the cards were even spoiled.
>>46012887
>you will never be embedded in stone with only your cock protruding so that she can use you at her leisure
>>46013388
That's the part that should be good though. The fact you still care about ultimates is proof you need to brush up on card evaluation.
>>46013388
>>>/OUT/
>>46012943
Not sure where you got
>Avacyn's been around for a thousand years or so.
Avacyn already existed when Ugin and Sorin first met, before they sealed the Eldrazi.
>>46013341
>Jace in the second set
>not Tamiyo "I study the fucking moon" in the set named Eldritch Moon
>>46013305
Cool art.
Card is gonna need some hard brewing or I don't see it fitting anywhere.
I want to use it with that old human reanimator combo, but the combo has so many pieces I don't know how to fit her in.
>>46013419
Other walkers do it better, and why do you want to spend your mana in such a way? I guess it combos with oath of chandra lmao
>>46013428
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/gaze-blank-and-pitiless-2016-03-09
>Before Avacyn had first appeared, a thousand years ago...
>>46013293
Two countries, actually.
>>46013473
Her face looks fucking awful.
This set is making me sad.
>>46013113
suddenly, mill seems fun
>>46013293
>Teferi niggawalks back to reality
>shit's all fucked up
>has to give up his spark to unfuck everything
>now he's just a nigga who gives people menacing stares
>>46013522
I know. We can't have nice things at all.
>>46013473
Well then we have a time paradox, because http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ur/lithomancer-2014-10-29
strongly implies that Sorin had already created Avacyn at that point.
>>46013522
Yeah, fucking glowing eyes disease.
>>46013566
Implications merely imply a time paradox.
>>46013566
Origin stories tend to be prone to pime taradoxes these days.
If you replaced the 9 titans with all the current Neo-walkers and give them old walker powers would the events of the Phyrexian invasion change at all?
>>46013473
Thanks! I was wracking my brains to remember where I'd read that.
Also: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/cursed-blade-2011-10-24
This gives an exact date: 719 years post-Avacyn. Gisa and Geralf are featured, so we know that it's basically current.
>>46012806
this just should have been a vindicate that didn't target lands. bolting you is a steep cost.
>>46013113
this card is such an interesting idea.
too bad it's wasted on mill.
>>46013305
I like that Nahiri is a madness enabler. That seems like a flavor win.
>>46013576
Shut up, Blue. You are ruining the game. MtG would be better with just four colours.
>>46013627
>>46013627
You don't need to give them oldwalker powers as long as they can throw fireballs. If they can do that, by the power of shitty plot, they can defeat any enemy.
>>46013647
That or it should have cost just wb.
>initial cost of B
>activation cost of:
>B
>1 life
>discard a card
>mill one
>sacrifice itself
wew so much value
>>46013700
Objectively wrong.
>>46013744
> do the hokey pokey
>>46013410
>You'll never be a cuck
Feels good
>>46013724
also acceptable. at least it'll be good for edh i guess.
also, did this HAVE to be a rare? come on Wizards..
I just don't see this getting much play (outside of standard, at least) in a format where you have abrupt decay as cheaper, uncounterable, hitting most relevant things, in a better color (green), as well as not bolting you. Kind of a disappointment in all ways, especially since the card itself is kind of a flavor win.
>>46013700
Standard-baby detected. What's the matter, did your big strong meme rhino get countered again? Blue is objectively necessary for the health of the game.
>>46013113
So you faggots hate Jace now? We will give you a reason to hate Jace, cunts.
>>46013744
Card will be fantastic in limited and will probably see standard play considering how much it potentially enables while being decent removal by the current standard.
>>46013744
The only non-negligible cost on the card is discarding a card form your hand, which can actually be helpful to cast madness spells. Additionally the self mill along with the discard helps you get to delirium. It's a fine card for limited.
>>46013744
It's obviously meant to be a delirium enabler for limited.
>>46013800
>delusional nonsense
Black should be getting all the toys blue gets.
The key difference is that they will actually pay for it with something.
>>46013826
as uncounterable removal, it's pretty fantastic actually in a set with madness and graveyard shenanigans
i'm just never going to get tired of the enormous list of minimal costs
>>46013849
i think the "uncounterable murder" part of it will probably get it to see some standard play
>>46013522
According to the artist, her name was Isobel.
>>46013744
Delirium enabler. Only thing I can see to use it for.
>>46013904
And madness.
>>46013522
can someone tell me what card the second image is for?
>>46013744
>Initial cost of B
>B, Pay 1 life, mill one: Play a card for it's Madness cost or discard a cost, then destroy target creature.
>You now have an enchantment in your graveyard for Delirium.
Enchantments are one of the harder cards to get in your graveyard on purpose too.
What's not to like?
>>46013744
1 life and mill 1 are basically not even downsides because they are so negligible, and discard a card can be an upside in the madness decks that this format will inevitably have in standard. youre an idiot if you think this card is no good
>>46013744
BB, 1 life, 1 discard, 1 mill for a pseudo instant kill spell.
1 life is nothing, and the discard+mill may even be advantageous to you. Definitively worth in standard.
>>46013113
Can blue get a fucking non planeswalking mythic thats good for once? Holy shit wizards
>>46013744
>better version of seal of lightning axe
pretty good, will replace axe in any deck that also plays black.
>>46013305
Do we know why Nahiri's gone turbo bitch let?
Do we know if the n=madness is her doing?
Is her killing Sorin's family and knocking down his house just a cute side she was up to?
How will Wizards make her out to be a good guy and suffer no consequences for this?
>>46013873
Of course, jumping right to the ad hominems instead of addressing the point.
Blue is the worst color in modern and the worst color in standard. If you deny this, we can safely disregard any other opinions you have on game balance.
>inb4 b-b-but muh jeskai black! Muh blue Jund!
The only reason blue is even played in Standard is for Jace, Dig, Cruise, and sometimes Reflector Mage. Blue is a shit color and has been for years.
>>46013873
>they will actually pay for it with something.
Honestly I feel this is the weirdest flavor thing in magic. Black is willing to make deals to get shit done, yet blue is better at getting powerlike enchantments and stuff, has a wider variety of powers, and can casually get the knowledge it needs while black doesn't.
Honestly Black should get more instant card draw at an extra, non-mana cost while blue gets no extra cost, but more sorcery speed stuff or more expensive instant.
>Angel of Flight Alabaster (upper left) is where we first find Isobel. It depicts the angel lamenting the loss of so many souls.
>Angel of Finality (upper right) is next. Isobel has now gone on the defensive, protecting the souls that have been lost from returning from the grave. She stands above the cemetery, a spell cast and sword in hand to defend.
>Flameblade Angel comes next (bottom left). The brilliant creature has gone on a rampage, taking vengeance on the world for the sorrows caused by evil and corruption.
>Clip Wings (bottom right) shows the poor creature trapped, bound and wounded by a group of hunters who are trying to put and end to the killing.
>This may be the end of Isobel's story, we will see.
>>46013988
fuck never mind I thought that there were 2 different abilities on the card.
Pretty meh card then. Maybe ok in standard.
>>46013949
Angel of Finality.
>>46014019
zombie angel redhead waifu
>>46013744
...Wow, I completely misread that. I thought it was two separate abilities ("B, pay 1 life: Put the top card of your library into your graveyard" and "Discard a card, sacrifice: Destroy target creature"). Was very confused by people talking about the number of hoops you needed to jump through...
>>46013877
You can still counter it when its cast though. Its not always gonna land t1
>>46014066
this is why most players hate blue.
blue is, consistantly, the color of not playing the game.
counter spell isn't "interaction" its just trading a card to say no.
>>46013953
>sacrifice an enchantment
>mill a land
>cast a sorcery for madness
possible 3/4 delirium enabler in one play.
>>46014111
I think that is a huge trap, its just one black, if you counter that they could then freely cast anything else they want.
>>46014116
>What are removal spells?
>>46014121
lets not forget the "kill any creature" thing.
>>46014146
Same thing, same criticism. Don't take up an entire color.
>>46014146
you can interact with the removal spell, give the creature hexproof, bounce it, all sorts of shit.
a creature on the stack against a counter spell has no interaction beyond your own counter spells.
that is the huge, giant difference, shit in the field has alot more interactivity and stuff that can be replied to.
Blue counters demand blue counters or fuck off.
>>46014155
You're playing black, you should already have creatures in your graveyard that you put there yourself, but if you really are that desperate to go delirious, then yeah that works.
>>46014139
How is that different from other sorcery speed removal?
>>46014001
>Blue is a shit color and has been for years.
Okay, you had me up until you said this. Delver/Poner/Mana Leak, Supreme Verdict/Sphinx's Revelation, Mono-Blue Devotion, and Esper Dragons were all major players in their respective standard environments at some point. Just because blue sucks now doesn't make the color retroactively terrible.
>>46014146
what are protection spells, bounce spells, or giving it more toughness against specific counter spells.
basically what is true interaction compared to "blue says no, do you have blue to say no too?"
>>46013522
MTG angels are yandere.
>>46013970
i think it's fantastic for removal, but a little silly in the cost
>dodges dispel
>dodges the new U-counterspell
>>46014111
true
>>46014194
because you pay half up front and can hold onto it for their bomb or thing you just don't like
>>46014194
once its on the field its now instant.
and it costs 1 mana to "set up"
its a kill spell that is, at least to "resolve" more effecient than counter spells that line up against it.
People actually think this combo will see play.
>>46014223
They really need to give other colors more interaction with the stack. They've made steps in that direction on occassion -- uncounterability for green, redirection and spell-copying for red -- but rarely enough that it's essentially irrelevant.
>>46014202
those are shit cards in the entirely opposite direction.
Blue has always been the problem child and beyond Affinity is always at the core of what is broken with magic at any time it was broken.
>>46014263
>Wayne Reynolds
NO
>>46014255
Also the fact that investigate is a thing in this format discarding the card isn't terrible on card value.
>>46014263
in limited sure
>>46013744
>whines about no flavor on cards
>prints cards with flavor
>wew meme wew meme wew meme
>>46014266
well they don't and they haven't so, that is the essential reason Blue is the most annoying, hated color.
it gets to do shit that no one else gets to do, which is fine, but it gets to mess with the stack and no one else can.
its the only color that messes with shits ability to even resolve, beyond incredibly minor outliers.
if I had a "white mana instant" that I could play in response that says "creatures this turn can't be countered", blue would be lessend, we are now interacting, bitch.
>>46014286
Different people complaining, I'd suspect.
>>46014286
sir i am not every single shitposter on this site
i love it, i just think it's silly
>>46014263
>"Muh 2-for-1"!
>"Muh "It dies to removal!"
Hey faggots, the entire point of equipment is that you won't get 2-for-1'd when the creature dies.
>>46014066
My fedorakky warrior!
May we snag and tip it together me laddy?
*winks'n'tips*
>>46013744
Legit only the discard 1 matters of all its downsides. And thats a madness enabler. It also adds to delirium card types so that's potentially good, but it depends on how strong delirium is
>>46014263
Wait till the prerelease how many people are going to curse the skies over that limited combo.
>>46014019
Isobel had a hard life, hope she gets redeemed
>>46014279
For once his spikes and edges style actually fits.
Between this and Battle/Gatewatch, how possible is it to build a R/W equipment deck?
EDH, Standard, or casual, I guess.
>>46014279
Shut up he's good.
>>46014380
I mean its probably possible already
>>46014335
Yeah i remember the old Innistrad. Invisible Stalker + Butcher Cleaver.
Or the rarer one, Kruin Outlaw + Spectral Flight.
>>46014399
I'm honestly quite new to the game, and play mostly for fun, but it'd be nice to actually participate when my store does standard days. I don't need to win or anything, I just don't want to drop a lot of money to play.
I'm already sitting on at least a few weapon trainers, I'm just considering things with new Nairi on the table.
>>46014337
>Sins of the Archangel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESBXOOMi7SE
Spells that KILL.
>I've already become Red Aligned
>>46014329
what kills the card is that it costs 3 to equip after transformed.
>>46013305
>+2
Is alright
>-2
Is good
>-8
Is next to useless
She's pretty terrible, which is disappointing considering that color combination also produced Ajani Vengeant
If I have 3 card types in my graveyard (creature, instant, land) and I play this, does it trigger itself?
Like when you try to kill a 2/3 Tarmogoyf with a Lightning Bolt when there are no instants in a graveyard yet. It'll be a 3/4 before the damage is dealt.
Is it like that here?
>>46014263
And here's an actually playable alternative.
![lightningaxe[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5PTRasO.jpg "lightningaxe[1].jpg")
>>46013744
Would a RB Madness deck prefer this or Lightning Axe?
I guess it depends on how badly you want to enable Delirium? Because this Concoction looks better in that respect.
>>46013419
She's a worse version of Ob in the same standard, why bother playing her?
>>46014462
if its on something that flips, it stays, dope.
>>46014263
>Guillotine in picture
>Specifically designed to be the most humanitarian way of execution possible (at the time).
>but screw it, we're also going to use maces and axes and seemingly revel in bloodshed
>just for good measure let's also add a completely unnecessary scythe onto the device
What?
>>46014469
No, the tarmogoyf thing is that it's a 3/4 when the game state checks to see if it should be dead, taking 3 damage is part of resolving bolt
Delirium on spells only works while it's on the stack
>>46014469
No, the spell does it's effect THEN goes to the graveyard. What you're thinking of doesn't work in either situation you're describing. A Goyf that is 2/3 dies to bolt and doesn't get bigger because the bolt goes to the graveyard first. They go to the graveyard at the same time.
>>46012943
How is Nahiri is still alive post-mending? Unlike Sorin and Ugin, without Godwalker power Nahiri has no inherent form of immortality or extreme longevity.
>>46014463
>-8 is next to useless
>can tutor Emrakul and basically win the game on the spot.
It fits the flavor too.
>>46014394
He's Rob Liefeld of /tg/.
>>46014380
It dosen't look like that RW Equips will get much benefit from this set. Nahiri is not much better than Outpost Siege and no equips and creatures so far shows anything of promise.
>>46014540
Nahiri is capable of hibernating in stone sarcophagi.
>>46014469
No it resolves on the stack.
Goyf works the way it does because your bolt resolves, goes to the graveyard and then the game checks if goyf is dead.
>>46014540
she can literally become one with the planet and go into hibernation.
>>46014527
>looking for consistency and realism
>in a fantasy game
>specially wotc now days
>>46014066
>white is buff effects, weenies, and lifegain
..and exile effects some of which are temporary, damage prevention, protection, and equipment tutoring, returning things from the graveyard, flickering things, board wipes...
>black is sacrifice and graveyard shenanigans and killing your dudes
and discard, both specific and not, drawing cards for life, -x/-x effects, exiling creatures, and sometimes stealing permanents, and board wipes...
>green is mana ramp and fatties
and artifact/enchantment removal, fighting, as well as having it's fair share of the "best" creatures for cost, and additionally returning stuff from the graveyard
>red is burn and haste and goblin shennanigans
as well as temporary mana ramp, card filtering, dragons, artifact destruction and other "gambling" effects?
>85% of magic is playing creatures and trying to use them to punch your opponent to death
yeah, if you're using a creature based deck, i guess that's true.
>that blue mostly hoardes to itself
No it doesn't.
>>46014116
>this is why most players hate blue
"most" players hate blue because their bad at the game
>of not playing the game
what does that even mean? if they're holding up mana for your threats, then they're interacting with you and playing the game
blue haters never change.
>>46014503
Well, if there's a really good deck that has red and white but no room for black...
But yeah, unless Boros Madness, Mardu Super Friends, or some sort of bizarre Standard Show and Tell improbably becomes a thing, I don't see this seeing much play until Obby rotates.
>>46014605
oh so Tolarian Academy, High Tide, Tinker, ect ect ect ect, shoudn't be hated and are fine cards?
Blue is hated because it has nearly killed the game 3 times and constantly breaks the rules of the game and no other color gets to do it as constantly or powerfully as blue.
>>46014438
You can already build a very decent RW Allies Equipment. You don't need Nahiri or SoI to win a few times on your LGS.
>>46014019
She may make it. I know the card "Clip Wings" makes opponents sacrifice a creature with flying, but when you clip a bird's wings you mostly prevent it from flying until its feathers grow back.
>>46014263
>jank
>not obvious intentional synergy
>>46014184
that's because counterspells, unlike every other form of removal, have a "time limit" built into them. if i don't counter your creature as it's being played, i'm not countering it at all without having to jump through some kind of hoop. if you give a creature hexproof through some card, i can just wait a turn or even play another removal spell on top of that and kill your creature anyways.
counterspells have an inherent disadvantage that nobody seems to give a shit about when they talka bout how "OP" they are. these examples also have people who have infinite mana and cards and hand to counter everything you do ever while the blue player kills you with storm crow, no matter how unrealistic and unlikely these scenarios are in the actual game.
>>46014533
Please stop trying to be an armchair judge when you clearly have no fucking clue what your talking about
>>46014645
>nearly killed the game 3 times
I know Combo Winter and Caw-Blade, but what's the third time?
>>46014533
you are wrong about goyf
>>46014508
I know, but the cost of re-equipping is fucking 3, your opponent can kill the creature without worries, because it is going to be a pain in the ass to equip again.
>>46014668
The real problem with Counterspells isn't that there's no counter to them other than other counterspells, the problem is that in order to beat them you actually have to think, be patient, and play around them to beat them. Lots of players don't like to do that.
>>46014678
oh I dunno motherfucker, the most powerful deck of all time? Tolarian draw?
>>46014645
Black has done it at least twice and has been in cahoots with blue during combo winter
I want to try to build some sort of Modern Mardu Control deck with Nahiri as a finisher
I mean between Bolt, Path, Terminate, Dismember, Anguished Unmaking you should have enough removal to keep the board clear for a few turns for Nahiri to poop out Emrakul
>yfwgoyfis reprinted in Shadows
>>46014707
"being patient" is the way to lose, a blue player has forever for you to finally cast it.
time is always against you in a control matchup, patience is your doom.
you simply cannot "play around them" enough, because you are either playing shitty cards they won't counter spell, or doing nothing.
>>46014716
>Black did it once and Blue used black to do it again.
>>46014645
this argument is so stupid it's honestly incredible. blue isn't OP all the time, even if it has some OP shit in the past. So have the other colors...especially black.
>gets to break the rules of the game
how
>>46014678
>Caw-Blade nearly killed the game
What? No it didn't, it was a setback, but nothing on the scale of previous fuck ups.
Masques block also almost killed the game along with affinity (affinity didn't really, but it was still a bigger deal than fucking caw blade) also combo winter was almost half black.
>>46014716
black is an enabler for blue, nothing more.
its only noteworthy because it helped blue be broken.
>>46014751
You bait out their counters or play multiple things in a turn.
>>46014707
This man speaks the truth.
>>46014263
With Stone Haven Outfitter, Stoneforge Acolyte, Heir of Falkenrath, Zulaport Cutthroat, Weapons Trainer and the like I'm sure a B/W or Mardu equipment deck will turn up.
>>46014729
If it wasn't viable before this subpar card, it won't be viable after.
>>46014707
>Blue is pretty much the only color that can play with the stack save the occasional Red Shunt that's worse then Blue's redirect anyway
>You don't need an answer to counterspells, you just need to be patient, and play slower into the endgame where Blue is in "Do whatever the fuck I want, mode!"
Blue players everyone.
>>46014765
Caw-blade had attendence down 50%.
no one showed up anywhere for that fucking format
only Affinity and Tolarian Academy were worse on the game.
>>46014764
>Blue has the most powerful shit of all time but don't hate it.
no, I will still hate it and always will I be fucking vigilant.
all Blue players do is cry about Creatures and pray for Combo Winter to return, they are as degenerate and evil as their color.
>>46014710
That's part of combo winter though.
>>46014775
>necro/yawgwill/bargain were only broken because of blue
No. Bargain decks were played with white without blue for a while too.
>>46014729
I want to see this be a thing, I really do.
But a turn 8 combo rellying on a planeswalker to stay alive that whole time doesn't seem realistic to me in a format where most games are decided turn 4.
>>46012806
>Nahiri will walk away from this unpunished
>Sorin will forgive her
>"lol guys she was just brainwashed!"
>"lol guys it was just some vampires why are you upset."
I don't want to believe it.
>>46014788
bait with what? something that they know can't kill them?
and if it can kill them, and they counter it, was it really a bait?
the longer you go, the more THEY can do with their mana, and they usually pack on the draw spells so they'll have more to do with more cards.
>>46014729
That is one goofy-looking fish, anon.
>>46014819
#notallvampires
>>46014066
The biggest problem with blue is not its denial, it's the card draw. When will people realize that.
In Magic, having more cards in hand than your opponent is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest advantage you can have.
>>46014797
Well, Trough the Breach is a thing in Modern, but you need to have Emmy in your hand to make it work.
>>46014710
>Tolarian draw
>most powerful deck of all time
Really? Not hulk flash, memory jar, or necropotence?
He'll a current vintage shops deck would probably be around 50-50 with draw
I know your bad at magic /tg/ but whenever a new set comes out it really shows
>>46014764
I think the person was trying to say that blue breaking stuff in the past is the reason it gets hate now, regardless of whether or not it deserves. Explaining why people hate it, rather than why they think it's "bad."
>>46014775
Right, because Necropotence was blue. Almost forgot
>>46014809
>all blue players do is cry about creatures
yeah and all everyone else does is cry about counterspells.
>waaaaah he won't let me play my creature and then tap them
>waaaaah I actually have to play around counterspells
go play hearthstone you sperg.
>>46014864
Tolarian draw was so powerful they had to ban a card before it ever was released.
its the only time that has ever happened.
>>46014819
It really all depends. At the moment I'm not 100% convinced it's Nahiri corrupting Avacyn. I mean look what she did to Markov Manor, why does she need to subtly fuck with Angels?
I also realize I'm probably 100% wrong but it's just weird that a Lithomancer would be involved with corrupting and causing madness.
And there's still that Licid/Bug/Scratchy back of the neck thing lingering around.
I guess it also matters if what Sorin has done to piss Nahiri off is truly his fault. If he's 100% at fault he may not be as vengeful since it seems like he can tell he's partly to blame at least
>>46014751
"Being patient" doesn't mean "Sitting and doing nothing." Being patient includes using less-important spells to bait out counters, waiting for opportunities where they have to tap mana to actually try to win, etc.
Fun fact about counterspells; they don't win the game by themselves. If your opponent is doing nothing but holding up mana for counters, they aren't progressing their gameplan at all. A deck full of nothing but counters loses to a deck full of nothing but creatures every time.
>>46014894
you can't actually 'play around counterspells'
when people tell you to do this, I sometimes wonder if they are just snickering behind your back.
doing nothing means they'll play a draw card, you have to play something significant eventually or they'll be in "I have all the mana now" mode and your fucked.
>>46014809
>Caw-blade had attendence down 50%.
Source? Also what happened post banning? I have heard players leaving permanently due to winter, was this common for caw blade?
Also Magic was way bigger by the time of caw blade.
>>46014559
Ok, you clearly have no idea at all.
His shapes are amazing. I'll rather take his work over any photorealistic piece of shit or photobashing crap.
>>46014648
But even if they do disarm her afterwards, what are they going to do with a batshit crazy angel? They might as well end her suffering.
>tfw feel worse about Isobel rather than Avacyn
>>46014901
Nahiri can do whatever the fuck she wants with Cryptoliths and other such shit, she reached out and reprogramed Avacyn effortlessly.
and it WAS her, during her reprograming Avacyn saw Hedrons, and took on a Kor accent.
>>46014796
What Madness cards would you put into the deck for Heir to activate? Or would you genuinely discard just to transform her?
Wasn't there another planeswalker to be spoiled today?
>>46014807
"be patient" doesn't mean sit around doing nothing for 10 turns, obviously. It means actually thinking about your turns as you play them instead of just blindly throwing your shit into their counters.
>>46014839
it's hard to say because it depends on the matchup. What deck are you playing? What are they playing?
But typically the 'nugget of wisdom' here is "Play your second biggest threat". You play something that's threatening to them while keeping your big guns on back up for when they find themselves tapped out and without counters. If they keep countering you every turn then they're probably not drawing extra cards and not making their landdrops OR falling behind on answers. they're not drawing cards AND countering your stuff in one turn.
once again, blue's not over powered (for the most part), you just suck.
>>46014872
even then, it's not like other colors haven't done some lame ass bullshit either. a lot of the time people hate blue because they honestly just suck.
>>46014920
'play around counterspells' and 'sit around doing nothing while the other player kills you' are two different things, moron.
>>46014914
if you say "pass the turn" they can do something else with their mana at the end of your turn.
Less important cards aren't required to be countered, they can simply use spot removal or whatever they want on those.
let us remember Sphinx's Rev Control and how well "being patient" worked out then.
>>46014956
>during her reprograming Avacyn saw Hedrons, and took on a Kor accent.
What? Link/quote?
>>46014495
Sometimes damage is not enough to kill a creature. Also, why not both?
>>46014788
>bait their counters
As if a blue player doesn't know what is worth countering.
>multiple things in a turn
If you hold out spells, also did the blue player.
The only way to "play around counter" is to cast stuff as fast as you can, so that you either get a decent advantage in early, or they exhaust most of their counters in small fry.
>>46015006
read the fucking UR's and fuck off with you and everyone else interjecting into the plot without even reading it.
>>46014897
>Tolarian draw was so powerful they had to ban a card before it ever was released.
Jar didn't run tolarian academy, it was its own deck, please learn what you are talking about before making such claims.
>>46014920
>you can't actually 'play around counterspells'
I do actually agree that that is a problem, the solution is for them to never print instant speed card draw. They actually did this in the period of odyssey block through ravnica block, and the control decks of that era were the most fun to play against IMO.
If you want to know what type of magic I want to return to, play against wake from Odyssey onslaught.
>>46014901
>I mean look what she did to Markov Manor, why does she need to subtly fuck with Angels?
Because the purpose is not to destroy Innistrad.
The purpose is to destroy Sorin. Smashing his childhood home and turning all his relatives into transporter accidents is a good start, but mindbreaking his daughteru is even better.
Do we have an explanation for how the fuck Nahiri is alive at age 6000 or so? Or did they just kinda ignore/forget that part? This is the one part of the lore that I'm interested in.
>>46015044
Planeswalkers don't age like normal people.
>>46015004
>>46014920
>"But if I don't play spells they win!"
>"Being patient doesn't mean not playing spells."
>"But if I don't play spells, I lose!"
???
>>46015044
She used to be an oldwalker, so she was immortal for a good chunk of that
For the other chunk she was in stasis on Zendikar
Anything else can be explained with "She's a planeswalker, we ain't gotta explain shit"
>>46015031
#triggered
>>46015044
Rock stasis
>>46015044
we've said it.. even in this thread
Nahiri can become one with stone and go into Stasis.
this possibly means she can make herself ageless through lithomancy without this method as well, as Lithomancy's greater function is the manipulation of Planes and mana itself.
>>46014809
I don't understand why people quit during affinity type 2. That was honestly the most fun I had playing magic with crazy strong cards like skullclamp, and ravager. Or trying the ironworks-retriever-disciple combo. Atog, Isochron Scepter, Bonesplitter. I don't understand why people quit.
>>46013113
>that art
>that flavor
>them mechanics
>that everything
This is why Innistrad is the hypest set ever.
>>46015044
They haven't gotten that far yet. We're only a couple weeks into spoiler season, chill.
>>46015067
Except they do. Liliana almost died of aging after the mending.
Nahiri isa vampire, though.
>>46015101
>that CMC
>>46015029
If they have more counters than you have threats, you're probably running a shitty deck to begin with, or they're running a shitty deck that doesn't have enough wincons
>>46015098
>I had so much fun playing with broken cards, why did everyone leave.
Magic shitters, everyone, no fucking introspecton whatsoever.
>>46014897
What the fuck are you talking about? Your I think your trying to talk about the memory jar ban but it has nothing to do what your fucking talking about
It had an emergency ban after it was released and it was part of combo winter, one of the times the original anon mentioned..
Fuck, I can't believe your this retarded, I also hate control but people like you make it seem like all of us are retarded
Maybe that's it, your actually a controlfag trying to make us look bad
>>46015098
Strong cards make people unhappy.
I for one, hate strong cards almost on principle.
No, it doesn't make sense.
![wolfofdevilsbreach[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X0aFf7T.jpg "wolfofdevilsbreach[1].jpg")
Name one card so far that isn't shit.
You can't, this set's power level is so bad compared to the original Innistrad, why?
>>46015144
>sets are only great when they're powerful when compared to older sets
Fuck you.
>>46013647
been vindicate ? so no instant ? I will rather take bolt to face than Eldrazi dick to face
>>46015004
yes, yet again the blue player has infinite mana as well as a grip full of instant cast removal just ready to fuck your shit up the moment you even attempt to play the game.
makes you wonder how all those poor aggro decks manage to even survive in modern against the big control bullies, don't it?
>>46015029
>as if a blue player doesn't know what is worth countering
oh, congratulations! you got something through! proceed to kill them with it.
>if you hold out spells, also did the blue player
this sentence reads like a caveman wrote it, which wouldn't surprise me in all honesty. the difference is you have much more control over the mana cost of the things you play. they're playing counters that are always going to cost 3+ mana for a permanent answer (counterspell IS 2 mana but it's never getting printed again, even though it'd probably be fine in the right standard environment). if you sit around durdling for 3 t urns while the control player builds up their base, then yeah, you're gonna have a shitty time. even if you're playing a midrange type deck, you should still be running early game interaction (Inquisition and Thoughtsieze?), and if you're running an aggro deck and you don't do anything for 3 turns you probably deserve to lose.
>>46015144
B-But it would be too complicated to give it haste anon.
>>46015144
>>46015144
They've been trying to reign in the power creep for the past several blocks, where the fuck have you been?
>>46015144
>Archangel Avacyn
>Relentless Dead
>Declaration in Stone
>Topplegeist
>Anguished Unmaking
What do I win?
>>46013995
By blaming sorin on verything as Nissa did
>>46015144
>give it haste
>make it 4/4
>remove the 1R attached to the discard clause
Congratulations, it's now playable.
>so many cancerous Standardfags that are terrible at the game
>and desperately want it to be dumbed down
>these are the brainless morons that Maro caters to
>the ones that are destroying the game
>>46013029
Jesus fuck why so many planeswalkers? It's not even fun to play with them, they're supposed to be like super rare, not have 10 different versions of Jace already.
>>46015214
I can't get over how much I love Topplegeist
>>46015033
Literally every blue sorcery that draw cards that has been spoiled has dozens and dozens people saying Wizards hates control and hates blue.
It is frustrating.
I for one, actually kind of like sorcery speed draw. It is different and feels a bit strange, but there's something relaxing about it.
>>46014964
Fiery Temper for one. I'd also run Lightning Axe there.
>>46015176
nigger, I was there just a few years ago.
Control with the leash off is a nightmare for everyone.
everyone involved in this pro-tour just eye-rolled every time it was played on camera.
never has a control deck been so "pre-built" than Spinx's Rev Control.
https://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/tag/wotc/
210$ per post.
What the actual fuck.
>>46015238
The art makes it for me. He's just casually like "nah, fuck this candle."
>>46015229
>so many cancerous Eternalfags that want massively OP cards at all rarities
>but the most OP should be at Mythic to boost their value, of course
>>46015225
Five mana, swing with a ...
Oh, you didn't lift the nonplayer clause.
Yeah, that'd be good. Much more pushed without necessarily being insane.
>>46013305
this card is just fine
you guys hate every new card that comes out regardless of how good it actually is
Tell me again why Suns Champion and Vryn's Prodigy are bad while you're at it
>>46013881
>>46013522
I've talked with the artist at a GP, and Angel of Flight Alabaster is based on his daughter.
So he had to draw his angel!daughter getting gang murdered in the woods because she went nuts.
>>46015236
They're going full Marvel.
I expect the Civil War block soon.
Also I think they aren't so much common as they are just natural focus points to stories; Planeswalkers by their nature are the common threads that tie planes together, they stand out amongst the other names to know.
But anyway with the Gatewatch's formation Planeswalker-heavy narratives are going to be a common sight, stories aren't going to be about planes so much as they are about the multiverse.
>>46014729
Here's the list that won the Modern portion of Poro Tour, basically the biggest/highest level event in Finland.
Creatures (8)
2 Abbot of Keral Keep
4 Dark Confidant
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 Ajani Vengeant
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
4 Lingering Souls
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
2 Terminate
3 Arid Mesa
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Marsh Flats
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
4 Shambling Vent
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Swamp
Sideboard
2 Damnation
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Lightning Helix
4 Fulminator Mage
2 Stony Silence
2 Rest in Peace
1 Timely Reinforcements
1 Duress
1 Wear // Tear
>>46015176
Casual MTG fans like slow decks that don't have much early game but end the game with some dudes attacking.
That's why people don't like blue.
Oh and its history of occupying everything noncreature in terms of color pie.
>>46015277
It's just such a perfect marriage of flavor and mechanics, on top of great art and actually being pretty ok to play
