>someone write an OP edition
Good enough
a few servers to play on:
java client, highest population, high skill:
https://www.gokgs.com/
browser based, medium population, lots of problems for beginners, low/med skill:
https://online-go.com/
there are several more servers as well, the korean one has lots of aggressive players if that's what you're interested in
So... where do anons play?
>>45981727
>9x9
>>45981727
as someone who's never played go, but has a basic grasp of the rules, what are some good resources for me to learn?
>>45981788
http://playgo.to/iwtg/en/
So are we going to start a Go learning group?
>>45981764
>9x9 is easymodo
>not 3P
Do you even tanoshii?
>>45981764
With bots it's more like hard mode. Now even the weak ones are brutal on 9x9.
Can it be a fun game to play without like studying strategy and devoting your life to it?
Don't get me wrong, I love the high complexity, but I also wonder if it can be a fun game for casual play or speed games?
>>45981753
I'd like to pitch in couple other as well.
Wbaduk, Korea-China-Japan server, lots of strong players to watch (join the server Korea 1), often broadcasts games by professional players, has an english client but it's nothing too fancy, iOS/Android apps
http://www.wbaduk.com/
Playok, shitty general gaming site that doesn't require registration, you can simply link a game to this thread and other people are able to play against you
http://www.playok.com/en/go/
This is not a server, but a site where you can see game results and records from professional tournaments.
http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/news.html
>>45981788
goproblems.com for reading practice, later. Problems range from crazy hard to dirt easy.
>>45981756
I used to play on KGS. But a few years back java started kicking up a fuss and I never got it working again.
>>45981753
>>45981858
We should decide on a single server.
If there's a vote I think I prefer online-go.com out of all of these. No installation, puzzles for beginners, and english speaking.
Sensei's Library was suggested in the other thread
http://senseis.xmp.net/?PagesForBeginners
>>45981788
Found a 4.6gb book collection on kat.cr if you wanna be hardcore.
>>45981886
Online-go is definitely the best choice if you're looking into learning the game and playing others. To watch super strong players play, I'd suggest to go to WBaduk or Tygem instead.
>>45981886
OGS is definitely best.
>>45981832
I often saw blitzers on KGS. Like, speed settings with 10 seconds per move.
And to all you weebs, there is a popular shounen anime about Go called Hikaru no Go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6D8_vZ4zJk&list=PLy6qUnpsApbrDNbLrr_KiV5aqQmNqW9ie
>>45981832
>Can it be a fun game to play without like studying strategy and devoting your life to it?
Depends on if you want to git gud.
does google have any plans on investing more into go
Amazing series of lectures aimed at beginners/intermediate players:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA1F22C258E9FF4BB
>>45981975
Oh absolutely. This game seems like something I could really get deeply into. I just want to know if I could get my friends/family into it easily without having them learn theory first etc
>>45981949
>streaming
Name suggestions?
Open to public?
Hide details from non-members?
>>45981949
I started playing a while after reading the manga.
I re-read the manga later. Knowing go added literally nothing to the reading experience.
>>45982013
AlphaGolem in commemoration. Alfalfa golem, Aloof Golem. Or, ya know, just tg if those are too silly or hard to find or something.
>>45982013
ill join tomorrow, its getting late and im sleepy
>>45982013
Just name it /tg/.
>>45982066
Also, hide it from public.
>>45981911
Link it
>>45982107
Found this on the site, is this us?
https://online-go.com/group/968
>>45982002
Maybe? Only, if someone has fun and wants to learn more, they'll start kicking everyone's ass. It takes a while for the learning curve to start slowing anyone down.
Someday I will play Lee Sedol, and tell him "I watched you vs AG, it caused me to learn Go. Now prepare to be defeated!"
>>45982013
Betago
So uh, how do we do matchmaking via online-go? I can't seem to put passwords on a game? Do we just do user to user?
>>45982142
Just tested it myself, check the private options and simply post the link.
A quick test game. Somebody please join.
https://online-go.com/game/4283395
>>45982107
https://kat.cr/go-igo-baduk-weiqi-mafutrct-2010-08-12-book-collection-t4436409.html
>>45982183
Oh cool. I'll host a game in a couple minutes for someone to come body me after I help someone with their tech issues and make a coffee.
>>45982193
I clicked it and this is all i'm getting wtf?
>>45982235
Do you have an account? Go to the front page and input an username and a password. No need for an email or anything else. Then reload the game.
>>45982251
I think challenges have to be made to specific users, or accepted from the Play tab. The link just lets us watch.
TF I created some game, checked private, but some french fag challenged me?
>>45982261
oh, ok
>>45982261
It was an open private challenge though...
>>45982262
Private only means that other people can't watch, I think. The game still shows on a list for anyone to challenge.
>>45982002
A fun way to get people into the game is to give them life and death problems as puzzles, just get a book on them, then play the moves out on a board and get them to find a solution.
http://www.goproblems.com/
>>45982261
I just tested it. You don't need to challenge a specific user. You just need to open the link and have an user account.
Is https://online-go.com/group/968 even our group? there's only 3 people there.
A new game. The last one begun but it seems the other player cancelled the game. You can only watch the game if you haven't logged on.
https://online-go.com/game/4283585
KGS is the easiest go server to play on:
https://www.gokgs.com/
I use this because I'm lazy and dont like installing things:
http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jar
its just an executable, and you can log in as a guest with any user name. They have a lot of bots playing on there with different skill levels, pro players giving lectures (free and paid), and a big community of western players learning the game.
http://www.tygemgo.com/
Is if you want to get serious, a lot of great players on here, expect to get completely BTFO since many korean and chinese pros play on there.
>>45982304
Huh. Maybe my settings are blocking something then.
25k here. Just lost my first game against a bot. Looking forward to losing many more, after I sleep
holy fucking shit who the hell are all these people?
>>45982354
Ok maybe GoFag isn't the best name?
Can teach someone basic implications of rules quickly now on OGS, like ladders and nets and connections and stuff
>>45982363
o nevermind i'm retarded, those are just open games. thought that was my profile page for some reason... I need sleep
>ranked 9x9 games
OGS is a little weird.
>>45982366
start a review and link it?
Yo someone explain how chinese scoring works.
I am a noob who has come to get schoolled
>>45982386
https://online-go.com/demo/117025
What happens if you let a whole bunch of players nominate moves, then vote on them, eliminating the least popular ones until a majority decision has been reached? Does it end up being stronger than the individual players or in a weakest link type situation?
Has this been tried?
https://online-go.com/game/4283805
School me sempai.
>>45982397
Does anybody else just see "Loading..." on OGS games?
>>45982425
Yeah. I'm trying to pin down why my system's being a jerk now.
>>45982436
Shit's broken.
>>45982397
fixed - https://online-go.com/demo/117031
https://online-go.com/game/4283992
9x9
Is there a way to send an open invitation to the whole group?
>>45982553
Dunno. I just picked one of the names and challenged him,
There is also a group chat channel.
>>45981756
ogs for chat
tygem for occasional games
I haven't really practised my go in years though.
Kgs would be ok but it's dated on features and reliance on java is shit.
>playing a dead game
it's ok if you're a weeb or a cuck like Lee Ching Chong I guess, but why would a normal person choose to play Go?
>>45982909
Better than shitposting on /g/ all day
Shrek'd by Lee "I failed mankind" Sedol and had a couple of fun 9x9 games. If I see this thread again I'm definitely coming back for more. I'll probably forget otherwise though.
>>45982909
hane: people play Go, so it's not dead.
You should be able to solve this.
>>45983247
Extend down left, right above the star point? The way I see it black group's dead if the top left stone gets connected to the black group on the right.
>>45983247
>not even seeing how they're in danger
I have so much to learn
>>45983280
Samefag here, nevermind, it'll die anyway if it goes there. black should try to surround white from the right.
>>45983280
Not good enough. You'd end up like this.
>>45983247
J19?
>>45983016
people play checkers/draughts too
>"I'm confident about this match," Sedol said Tuesday at a news conference in Seoul. But after hearing Hassabis tell a room full of media members how AlphaGo works, Sedol said, "I'm quite nervous so I might not have a 5-0 victory now."
(in case you're not familiar with east asian culture, that's some serious shit-talking)
#rekt
>>45983301
3 liberty vs 2 black wins the capture race.
>>45983247
B6 or C10?
>>45983338
4 liberty vs 3 god damn i need sleep
>>45983247
here?
>>45983338
White would then cut above black 3 and separate it. Black three would only have 2 liberties and he'd lose the race.[
>>45983347
White plays above you and captures your stone.
Here is the correct solution.
>>45983359
black escapes, white gets a free move makin git 3v3, but then black goes back to capturing making it 3v2
>>45983377
Yeah, my bad. White wouldn't cut above 3 but play here instead, saving all his stones. It's still a failure for black.
>>45983369
This is what I hate about these puzzles. Fuck your multiple moves.
>>45983366
well then i've saved my 5 stones
Here is An Younggil’s (Korean 8d pro) review of the game 2 in English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-wtIpTzyk4
>>45983394
isn't the first one better? since this one the one black stone can escape towards the center?
also in >>45983369
what happens if white plays 2 immediately at the 4 position?
>>45983400
Except that they're still in a spot to take the 5 stones mentioned in the original puzzle.
>>45983394
solution: A self-atari, white capture, B atari on 3 stones, C atari on the white group. this way white has only 2 liberties and we're good
photoshop this yourselves
>>45983359
>>45983394
>>45983394
Let's see if this works.
>>45983690
You played it wrong this one is close
>>45983690
You still lose the capture race.
>>45983690
Move 9 one space to the right, if white eat black next move you move to eat it
>>45983715
Am I right? Not closed to a go board to test but I feel like Im right
>>45981727
Great! Love this op
>>45981814
Yes please
>>45983690
what if black plays 7 over there? wouldn't it play out like this?
>>45983781
o wait no that 5 is dead, ignore the 5 and 6
>>45983781
Plays 7 where? After this sequence white group can escape to the center and the black upper left group is left dead.
But here is the right solution again, animated.
>>45983878
Are all of those moves forced? I see a lot of other choices for white. Maybe i'm just not good enough to see that they're forced?
Here is a useful joseki every beginner should learn. If you have a stone on the star point and your opponent invades below it, try shutting him in the corner like this. This result is usually better for black if there are no other stones nearby.
When should I stop playing 9x9?
19x19 is really intimidating
>>45984254
Once you feel confident that you know the rules and are able to tell when groups are dead/alive. The only way to make 19x19 less intimidating is to play lots of games. In the beginning, try not to focus too much on winning, but playing simple moves and surrounding as much territory with as few moves as possible.
Who is your favorite pro player?
Some people have started an open source project to replicate AlphaGo based on the research paper published on Nature. Interesting to see if anything comes out of it.
https://github.com/Rochester-NRT/AlphaGo
>>45986349
M Y T H I C A L
>>45985027
Sakata Eio. Razor-sharp
>>45984254
Some people would recommend you start on 19x19 and to some extent I think that that's correct. The mechanics of influence between stones is different because the edge and corners are closer and the stones are closer together, so it might foster a misunderstanding of go.
>>45985027
I would say Go Seigen or Takemiya Masaki, because they dominated their contemporary go worlds using revolutionary styles.
>>45981832
Yeah, my high school Go club was garbage but we still had fun. And by garbage I mean I could beat almost everyone else with a four stone handicap, and I was 15 kyu at best. I think some of our players were worse than 30 kyu, even though that's formally not supposed to be a thing.
I think it's more fun if you actually apply yourself a bit. Complete a book of beginner's life and death problems, memorize a short opening, try to learn some of the common shapes. But whether you go further than that is a matter of your personality.
>>45986196
Hmm, the training phase took weeks and google has data centers to spare, so it might take a poorly funded project many months to complete comparable training. Also they left details out of the paper which may or may not be critically important. For the details of the neural architecture it was vague like:
>at the bottom of layers 2 through 12 a nonlinear rectifier function is applied
and
>layer 12 of the value network is another convolution layer
Thanks for not telling us details google. That would have taken the fun out of it. Especially since the thing takes weeks to train even if you own a datacenter so the process of guess and check will be really really slow for a low budget team.
>>45987268
i bet you're japanese and have a genetic advantage at go
>>45984254
When you can complete a game of 9x9 and there's territory left that isn't just eye holes.
The first 20 or so moves on a 19x19 are pretty intimidating as a beginner, but once it settles into actual fights it's just like a 9x9 but better.
>>45987390
Nope, I'm so white that it's also my last name.
I got a seki for the first time in a game a few days ago; pretty fun
What of the rules you usually play with?
>>45984254
Play 1x9, its the largest balanced board up to 30 squares
>>45987587
It doesn't really matter. Japanese rules are the most used online, Chinese rules are a bit more intuitive. Scoring and strategy don't really change either way. The only thing to keep in mind with the Chinese rules is that you have to fill the dame points at the end of the game before passing your turn.
>>45987587
With my friends we play something like this:
Simultaneous capture (all groups without liberties are removed).
Now, Imagine the start of the turn is A, after you play the piece is B and after captures are made is C.
On our ruleset, you cant capture a stone that was added to the board on previous turn B or current turn B.
You cant also put a piece on a place that had a piece on previous turn B or C.
4 consecutive passes end the game as long last pass was a white one,
and we use stone scoring (the player with more stones on board win)
We tested this ruleset and loved it.
Anyway when playing online or outside my group I use the japanese rules.
What do you think AlphaGo does between games?
>>45988294
Plays with itself.
>>45988303
l-lewd
>>45987479
Further ago than a few days ago, now that I think about it again.
>>45981753
>>45981799
>>45981858
http://senseis.xmp.net/?GoServers
This article provides a list of servers with details about them.
Leave AI to me.
>>45988850
>Lee Sedol bought a walking robot after losing game 2 or 3 and he's been beating the shit out of it between games
Should we low-kyu players in the /tg/ online-go group do a three round tournament?
>>45989086
G O D S
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P L A Y
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thank you lee sedol
Reminder that Go AIs have been thing ever since the NES era.
>>45982909
its a dead game alright
I hope Google holds another match where China, Korea and Japan are allowed to send their best players.
I'm surprised AlphaGo3000 hasn't sent a terminator from the future to kill Lee yet.
>>45982909
Even if (when) AlphaGo does become transcendent and untouchable by human players, Go will survive. At least it will survive much better than chess did. The problem with chess is that computers exposed major structural flaws in the game, namely that it can end in a draw. Perfect play leads to a stalemate, which is very boring.
>>45990243
3v1 against the improved AlphaGo
>>45983369
Well, damn. Throwing in 1 and 3 just to get 5 and squeeze with 7. I'm not sure I'd ever see it. It's hard to not write off paths that look terrible at first.
>>45990645
The problem is also the "cheating" advantage of the AI. Lee Sedol does not have access to the same "simulated boards" that the AI has access to.
Lee Sedol does not have a huge tree of simulations he can quickly look at. The AI basically has an immense whiteboard to write states on, while sedol is very limited.
In a pure AI vs human match, this is fair, but if you want to test intelligence you need to limit the AI's database size.
>>45990985
It's not AlphaGo's fault if the human brain is so shitty.
>>45990985
>The AI basically has an immense whiteboard to write states on, while sedol is very limited.
this. this is why the matches should last for days like they used to so that the human player can think about every move and test moves out
anyway it lookes like BetaGo has the same crazy problems that other programs has and just spazes the fuck out in certain situations
>>45991137
>>45991082
Somewhat, but it's like having a CS:GO match vs AI. If the AI just autoaims. Does it mean the AI is more intelligent or simply has a better way to interface with the game.
A more interesting situation would be if the human player worked with a computer program that did brute force evaluations vs AG.
>>45991424
if the AI gets more than a thousands cpus (literally) how about Lee gets to roll in with a thousand of his closest go playing friends to consult with then?
sounds fair to me
the odds are so unfairly in betagos favor its pathetic that it still loses to the Might of Man
how about Lee walks in with hands full of go books and charts? dont worry its not cheating, hes just better able to interface with object in the world with his hands so its all legit
Hi gents.
Sensei's Library is a great resource for learning the basics and the not so basics.
Goproblems.com is where to go to Git Gud
Once you've got some grounding, I strongly suggest the "Elementary Go Series" - which you can find in PDF format in various places on the internet. Here is volume 1;
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=07ec8ddcc8c12ec6&id=7EC8DDCC8C12EC6%21115&authkey=!
My screenshot is from a program called The Many Faces of Go. It costs a small fortune, but if you are serious about growing as a player it is a tremendously valuable resource.
If you want to buy a physical Go set, I strongly suggest a full-sized board and nice big yunzi stones from eBay or Amazon. They are much, much more gratifying to play with than a compact set with tiny stones.
If storage space is a problem, go with a roll-up board.
>>45991826
You should have mentioned Gogameguru (go news and discussion, step-through game records of all or nearly all the games they discuss)
and Gobase (quite a bit of information on pros, lots of SGF files. One needs an account to get to most features, though; the account might cost money.)
and the English-language teachers Nick Sibicky and Andrew Jackson.
Outside of Ebay, I would suggest https://shop.gogameguru.com/newbie-go-game-set/ as a Go set.
>>45992911
>Outside of Ebay, I would suggest https://shop.gogameguru.com/newbie-go-game-set/ as a Go set.
That's pretty jank. I mean it's cheap, but you're not really getting anything for your money. Flat stones, junk board, no bowls.
If you spend just a little bit more, you can at least get a set with stones that you won't feel the need to throw away if you ever get more serious about the game and want a better set.
>>45992911
>>45993366
http://www.amazon.com/World-Wise-Imports-Board-Stones/dp/B001NO00RA/ref=sr_1_49?ie=UTF8&qid=1457910186&sr=8-49&keywords=Go+stones
Here's the set I would recommend as a starter set. Pretty nice for the money. Again, if you spend a bit more you can get wooden bowls and a somewhat nicer board, but this is a set that would last a lifetime. Can always upgrade the bowls easily enough.
>>45993607
That's over twice as expensive, though.
If you want a physical set and want to get into the hobby for cheap, I'd suggest something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Wood-Expressions-12-GO-Set/dp/B0006HCWM6
It's not nearly as nice as what you suggested, but at least it's not flat stones.
>>45993926
Like I said, I don't care for the compact boards.
The stones are smaller than skittles. You lose a lot of the feel.
You're better off using a free computer program than buying a $20 set, really.
>>45989100
I'm game for that, when do you wanna set it up? Getting the times to work may be frustrating.
>>45994111
I'm not sure when to set it up, but it seemed like a cool fun idea.
There seems to be 12 people in the /tg/ group right now who I'd call "low kyu", so perhaps we'd play with eight people or maybe wait until there are sixteen. I don't know qualifying would work.
>>45989086
thank you lee sedol
>Monthly Simultaneous McMahon
What is this?
>>45994463
Hm. I'll leave it to better minds than mine, getting four people for a hanchan online. In the meantime care for a game?
>>45989086
thank you lee sedol
>>45994635
I have trouble getting*
It appears I also have trouble with the words this morning.
>>45994635
What board size? I fancy 13x13
>>45994676
Any normal size is fine. Don't want a 26x26 or something.
>>45989086
I put my faith in Kevin Sorbo.
>>45994721
>>45994635
I'm Squash on online-go, I'm up for a few games.
Learn enough about go to always pick your second best move, it will really unsettle people that play a lot of go, I have made quite a few people rage doing this.
>>45994964
Makes sense.
Your second best move is often their best move.
>>45994804
Challenge sent
>>45982140
underrated
>mfw I've won all my games but only because other bad players get frustrated when I take a group due to their misplay
Why do people resign when it isn't even endgame yet?
>>45996310
It's uncommon to actually play through endgame. The match has to be within a few stones, or it's a complete waste of time. If a large group ever gets captured, the game is almost certainly over.
Kind of odd
http://www.peepo.com/go_57.html
There's more data/info stuff on the main page
>>45996430
>>45996310
alternatively, they're not as bad as you think and while you're busy surrounding one group, they've taken the rest of the board and figured out that you don't know enough to know that you've lost. They don't want to waste their time seal-clubbing you, so they resign and go look for a better opponent.
Igowin
http://www.smart-games.com/igowin.html
It's a vs AI game for new go players, it gives you an advantage vs the bot and declines/increases in difficulty as you win or lose
I figured if we were to do a tournament, if everyone low-ranking wanted to take part, based on the number of people we have of different ranks then we could do:
>Round 1 (10 competitors)
The 20 - 25 kyus do paired matches to get five winners
>Round 2 (6 competitors)
The winners are joined by Canarmane to make an even number
>Round 3 (4 competitors)
winners joined by Squash to make even number
>Finals (2 competitors)
>>45996430
>>45996669
But we're not even reaching endgame.
>alternatively, they're not as bad as you think and while you're busy surrounding one group, they've taken the rest of the board and figured out that you don't know enough to know that you've lost. They don't want to waste their time seal-clubbing you, so they resign and go look for a better opponent.
:^)
>>45996725
Most games of Go, especially between beginners, are won or lost long before endgame.
>>45996718
I'm down. Do you want to me throw my name into the ring?
>>45996725
>:^)
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.
You don't think people do this? It's common.
>>45996784
Go for it.
Threadly reminder that all Lee ever had to do to beat the machine was pick up the knife.
>>45996864
Since there's no tournament listed in the group I guess I'll put it here. I should probably ask before signing up, but when's the tourney gonna happen both date and TZ wise?
ID: Stoike
>>45996701
Thanks! I was just looking for something like this, because I barely know the rules and am shy about playing people on OGS until I have a basic understanding. But I can't really absorb much from youtube or those beginner puzzles.
anyone want to join me watching a live game at https://online-go.com/game/4306084 ?
Anyone bored feeling like collecting some of the links ITT and writing an OP? I will draft something when I get back in a few hours if no one has
>>45998460
Do we have to have a huge bloated general OP with "editions" and >>>last thread and googledoc links? Couldn't we have a minimal OP instead?
if you do buy a cheap go board you're probably going to have to buy another one after 6 months or so, the lines are usually painted on top of a laminated board so when you play often the paint comes off
>>45998581
Maybe just put the links in a pastebin.
>>45998460
Go thread
Direct links that you can find in minutes on Sensei's Library but somehow need to be given in the OP:
>Wiki: Sensei's Library: senseis.xmp.net
>Servers: Senseis.xmp.net/?GoServers
>News, discussion and shop: gogameguru.com
>SGFs and info about pros: gobase.org
>Video lecturers:
Nick Sibicky: https://www.youtube.com/user/nicksibicky
Andrew Jackson: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGAASXnrt4FtYfFZ608PqHA
Dwyrin but he annoys me
Today I've been thinking about [X] and wanted to discuss it
>>45998881
senseis.xmp.net should be all lowercase; woops
and
>/tg/'s go group: https://online-go.com/group/968
I'm unsure, though, whether we have enough to talk about for a neverending general. It would probably just turn into shitposting.
>>45999089
>>45998881
Probably use a stones puzzle as the OP image.
>>45991550
The blonde girl is staring into my soul
>>45998881
Yea Nick and Andrew are such BrosThey love board games and have dabbled in hearthstone too.. I like HayLee too BC she is qt.
Dwyrins is abit snobby sometimes which I don't like. He plays vidya too though which is OK.
>>45997939
I was watching for awhile but too new for much of it to be meaningful.
>>45998581
You're probably right, and anyhow the need for OP information, if any, could be addressed as it comes up. Perhaps anything official might be nice though, at least that there is an OGS /tg/ group.
>>45999201
>Probably use a stones puzzle as the OP image.
We can do better than that.
>>45999569
>>45999089
I haven't had much time yet but as a newcomer I wouldn't mind posting my shitty 9x9 game and asking for feedback, things like that. I don't know what others might want out of a general. But I think there are a number of new players, and getting started can be a little tough.
Also watching matches together and commenting maybe.
>>45999675
>>45999702
>>45982390
I believe the difference in Chinese scoring is that captured stones don't count for any points, and instead you score points on each intersection occupied by a stone or surrounded by stones.
This means two-eye groups can be worth a lot more points in Weiqi, although generally the player that does more capturing still wins (since you end up taking out a big chunk of the opponent's points while increasing your own by the same).
>>45999800
>>45999824
>>45998460
Go/Baduk/Weiqi general (/gog/)
Talk about Go, professional Go games, /tg/'s Go tournaments, and how to git gud at Go. Newbies welcome; most of us suck anyway.
Last thread: >>45981727
Basic links:
Information, how to play: http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnerStudySection
/tg/'s favorite server: https://online-go.com/
/tg/ group: https://online-go.com/group/968
Best places to go after reading the beginner study section:
Problems: http://goproblems.com/
Smallest groups with two eyes: http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallestGroupWithTwoEyes
Easiest to remember opening: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ChineseOpening
We don't have an advanced study section because we're not good yet.
I beat the 12-kyu CPU just clicking around randomly for a while before I started to play.
Was kinda silly.
Bump.
Apparently this is the classic book of tsumego.
http://senseis.xmp.net/?MaedaTsumego
This article: might be useful:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?BasicJapaneseForReadingGoBooks
>>45981799
nice thanks!
For those interested, some of us play in Second Life. There are Go boards of various sizes (even impossible ones) and in beautiful settings. Instruction books freely available.
>>45981727
When is game 5?
>>46002409
>SL
Yeah, no thanks
>>46002455
22 hours
Here's a good problem.
Black to play and kill.
Anybody can tell me who I should study?
So far I like Cho Hanseung, Nie Weiping, Ichiriki Ryo and Xie He.
>>46003162
D2 - D3
>>46003162
I like this problem. Good choice.
>>46003162
e2 d2 e1
>>46003323
e2
white plays d2.
black captures the two stones at bottom right
white plays D1 and makes life for his group.
Black can do better.
>>46003162
E-2 or C-2 both kill those groups, D-3>C-5>B-3>E-2 Kills the main group(s) and the right group, not sure how to kill left group from here because it's whites turn to play. How did I do anon?
>>46003391
Got the B-3 and E-2 mixed around, my bad. White should be the one playing B-3 in response to black E-2/
>>46003162
What's a good site/program for putting pieces on the board like this and then putting more pieces down to see what would happen?
>>46003413
>>46003391
I think I got it. Thanks MS paint.
>>46003391
>>46003413
>>46003486
Black D3 is responded to with white D2.
White makes unconditional life, with black capturing two stones or none depending on the variation.
No variant of black D3 is good enough.
>>46003458
I use The Many Faces of Go, which is rather expensive but packed with unique and extremely useful features.
I'm not sure what other options are available, aside from just owning a Go set. Might need to refer to Google, sorry anon.
>>46003509
B2 E2 D1?
>>46003509
Well shit. What's the correct play?
>>46003551
Black plays B3, threatening to capture the three stones at the bottom right.
White responds with D2, preventing the capture and building eye shape, but...
>>46003620
>White responds with D2, but...
Black continues to press the attack with D1.
White defends with C2, his only choice if he is to have any hope of making eyes. Unfortunately...
>>46003662
>Unfortunately...
This lets black cut at E2.
White now plays E1, capturing the stone that black just played.
But black can immediately play at E2 again, capturing the three stones and destroying any chance for white to create two eyes!
>>46003692
So where does white play after black takes the E-1 group? C-5 linking the two groups?
>>46003708
White doesn't play anywhere. White is dead.
If he tries to capture black's stone at D1/E2, black safely connects them out.
If he plays more stones to connect the two groups, all he does is destroy his own liberties and speed up his demise while giving his opponent more points.
>>46003458
If you play on an online go server such as online-go.com there's a button which says "analysis mode"; if you go into a analysis mode youu'll be able to place and capture stones, with the variant moves you've played being stored as "trees". Possibly it can also be done with a program for interacting with SGF files. There are a lot of game reviews done with an analysis mode like on online-go.
>>46003762
Ok but for just myself, it would be great if OGS had just a "palette mode"
>>46003692
This was good, thanks.
>>46003783
>"palette mode"
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
>>46004033
Analyze mode with no other player, just a board, where I can fork, and place/remove stones. It seems like I can only do that in a game with someone else?
>>45981756
http://pandanet-igs.com/communities/pandanet
>>46004141
Go to "Create Game", choose "Demo Board" and check "Private".
This game is so uncomfortable while starting out. I'm trying to learn the basics of what shapes to make to capture etc. Seems like the beginner stuff is all about capture or life and death instead of just what shapes to make.
>>45982002
The rules can fit on a notecard in gigantic letters, it's very beginner friendly to learn.
But much like Chess, studying openings and basic theory of play is going to make you unbeatable to anyone who's just starting out, so you might not want to get super into it until they enjoy playing first.
>>45984254
I jumped to 13x13 after like two games and find it more useful for practicing as a beginner than 9x9 was. But I suck so maybe don't listen to me.
Why are you guys not using IGS as your server?
Pandanet always ends up being picked to host international competitions: especially the amateur competitions that you and I can join.
>>46004249
All IGS clients are shit.
>>46004157
Oh wow thanks. Question, if I don't check Private, can I still let someone observe it? Like if we are discussing something.
>>46004306
Yeah, it should be possible. You should also be able to give the control of the board to other observers if they want to show their moves.
>>46004199
If you're tired of doing life and death problems, try reading about the basic principles of the opening moves. This book should be pretty beginner friendly.
>>46004304
Have a better one, that doesn't require me to install Java?
Remember, Oracle is a US company, and products made by US companies spy on you. You can't use Java if you want to be free.
Will a beginner who studies no theory or anything eventually make progress by just playing a lot of games and developing intuition? Or is this a game where studying is required?
