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>>44671785
Is it bad I want to play a goatperson wizard?
too much dresden files
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If anyone is interested, pls no bully
>>44671820
Something like this?
So I'm gonna be playing a demomaniac. What are the best demon lord patrons?
How do i play the capra demon from dark souls /pfg/?
>>44671906
How about you explain what you want, and if 3pp is available.
>>44671960
Im not asking because im in a game or anything just hypothetically what race/class would best resemble the capra demon.
>>44671881
Abraxas' boons are good. Nocticula's too. Me personaly I like Haagenti and Jubilex.
>>44671881
I've always been partial to Cyth v'Sug, but you can't go wrong with the classics: Abraxus, Baphomet, Jubilex, Nocticula,...Soccobenoth.
>>44671906
Goatman with a polearm. It's not that hard of a concept.
>>44671881
I am a fan of Nocticula. Shax if you want to be edgy. Zura too if you want a blood drinker.
>>44671881
What's the difference between patrons?
Were Paizo the ones who wrote the stuff in Dragon Compendium? Could they potentially bring us some of the cool stuff in it, like Diopsids, Dvati and Tibbits, not to mention the cool as fuck Death Master and Savant classes?
>>44672112
The Boons they grant. Also the flavor.
>>44671785
Which deity do you want to marry, /pfg/? I want to marry a glorious sun goddess waifu!
Hard Modo:No Shelyn
>>44672267
None of them to be honest.
>>44671867
bit more summery
but close enough
>>44672267
Erastil obviously
>>44672112
Boons, favor, their obedience, etc.
>>44672165
I honestly don't know who owns that content even though Paizo wrote it.
>>44672267
>implying such a creature as these "gods" are described as could ever consider me worthy of marriage
>implying the very idea of their existence, were it true, would not render mine redundant
>implying I have anywhere else to go
At least I may know peace.
>>44672267
Asmodeus will be my perfectly lawful waifu. He knows what needs to be done and isn't afraid to make it happen, even when flawless order for all requires the suffering of a few... Or many. Either way. He also has some sweet domains andlikes very pretty in a nice Hell-inspired dress.
What ifantihero Asmodeus
>>44672588
>What if
That's pretty much confirmed. I mean have you looked at Cheliax?
>>44672588
What if there was some event that shifted alignment domains of gods, causing the Trumpeting among other things, that Asmodeus, Sivanah and Norgorber are preparing for?
>>44672267
Daikitsu
Relative to other gods, how powerful is Asmodeus?
>>44672610
>Cheliax
>heroic
Their dedication is to order, not to the greater good. There is a difference, as order does not necessarily or inherently bring happiness, save to those individuals predisposed to find happiness in it.
Also they treat Halflings and Tieflings like garbage, when it's well-documented that fewer Tieflings would turn to Evil and Chaos if people treated them like people growing up.
>>44673046
If you believe his book, he's above all of them.
If you don't, he's still one of the Core 20, putting him at least on part with Sarenrae and company.
>>44673004
>Noiralog is the future
Gif related.
>>44673048
The only thing that prevents people from being happy is that pesky free will. It's the cause of everything bad. Conflict, wars, hate, without free will this would not exist.
Can you call Asmodeus evil for opposing it?
>>44673132
Obedience means nothing when one cannot even think to disobey. Such creatures would be less than human, even less than beasts! Soulless automatons with no capacity to choose goodness!
>>44672588
Depends on your traits.
>>44673217
But humans seek the guidance of Gods all the time, ask the Harrow for their future, and weren't many a hero choosen by goodness instead of the other way around?
Asmodeus shepards mortals towards their true desire. Nothing wrong with that.
>>44673388
>Valeros
>female
>>44673388
As far as I know Linxia's non-prestiged class is not known yet.
>>44673388
Ezren's sexuality is wizard.
Also organizing gender by tiers paints a weird picture since Paizo doesn't prescribe to tiers.
>>44673388
>Seoni worships Pharasma
I didn't actually know this.
>Mavaro
>Is fat
Well, duh. Why did that need a note?
>Lem and Meligaster
>Lem and Mel
Not this again.
>>44673388
>Seoni
>Pharasman
Proof now.
>>44673388
Why is this even organized by tier? Listing iconics also refers to their specific - horribly suboptimal - builds, so the normal tiers do not even hold for the ones that can't rewrite most of their poor decisions every day at dawn.
>>44673412
Thanks, didn't notice I made that mistake.
>>44673628
Originally it was organized by tier just because that was a simple way to group them. Later I decided to keep it that way because I was curious how races/gender/class placement would shake out.
>>44673446
>Paizo doesn't prescribe to tiers.
>being a stupid cucк
Enjoy believing that while you play Caster Edition 2.0.
>>44673752
Are you stupid? The game is unbalanced BECAUSE they don't understand it. It's not their fucking objective to deliberately make the game as bad as possible.
>>44673752
No what he means is that Paizo does not believe that tiers exist. They think their shit is balanced.
>>44673859
>It's not their fucking objective to deliberately make the game as bad as possible.
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
How's SJW cock taste?
>>44673903
Oh you are shitposting. Alright then.
>>44673933
>get called out for being PIDF
>y-you're shitposting!!!
>>44673903
>let's sabotage our product!
>yes, because we're evil!
>ahahaha
Paizo board meetings in anon's head
>>44673903
I'm curious, are you the same anon that posts long strings of, "KEKEKEKEK," instead of actually contributing?
>>44673046
How do you measure power?
If gods are defined by their laws, and he knows the law better than any mortal or divine being, then he is the most powerful god.
However, he is limited by his laws. This stops him from being all-powerful.
>>44674219
>If gods are defined by their laws, and he knows the law better than any mortal or divine being, then he is the most powerful god.
>Abadar
>>44674236
That's not how you spell Asmodeus.
>>44674267
No, but it is how you spell the most powerful god's name.
>>44674288
That would still be Asmodeus.
He is one of the two creator gods.
Have any published evil deities (or other evil sources of divine spells) had the glory domain? (3.5 content counts, setting-specific stuff allowed)
>>44674318
I thought Apsu was the creator god?
>>44674318
Says him. Everyone who's not stupid knows it was actually Torag.
>>44674346
No Ihys and Asmodeus.
>>44674377
Apsu has "maker of all" as one of his titles though. I kind of prefer the idea of a creator god who isn't super well known or active personally.
>>44674341
Osolmyr, General Susumu, Quindiovatos, Uruskreil, Rubicante
>>44674373
>believing dwarven lies
>>44674494
>paladins
>lying
devilfags are desperate
>>44674529
>paladins
>not lying to serve their agenda
Really now?
>>44674529
Paladins of Torag are allowed to lie, as long it benefits dwarvenkin
>>44674559
>not understanding how paladins work
>being this jealous of sick dwarf gains
Keep reaching, degenerate.
>>44674582
>not having read Torag's paladin code
Keep reading, illiterate
>>44674607
>taking any of Paizo's OC donut steel codes seriously
kekimus maximus
>>44674582
>reaching
Something a dwarf could never do
>>44674632
You ask about game's shitty canon, get an answer, then complain about that answer because you think the game's canon is shitty?
>>44674632
Excuuuuuuse me Princess, but Torag is also Paizo OC donut steel. Therefor for the sake of this discussion we have to take the code into consideration.
>not rejecting the whims of the indolent gods, who dictate down from on high and yet rely on mortal agents to do their dirty work
>>44674646
>dwarven longaxe
>dwarven longhammer
>dwarven dorn-dergar
Ar contraire
>>44674680
>being this humorless
Don't you have a thread on the rpgnet to shitpost in?
>>44674468
You forgot Iomedae. ;)
>>44674288
Pharasma is canonically the most powerful
>TEMPORAL BODY ADJUSTMENT
>By reversing the flow of your personal hourglass, you can turn back time, undoing a harmful event. You may initiate this counter when you would be affected by a negative condition (such as being cursed, dazed, paralyzed, or sickened), or are affected by a negative condition. Negate the condition that would affect you, or end any one such condition currently affecting you.
Maybe this is just me, but is "remove any negative condition and curse automatically for free an unlimited number of times per day" kind of crazy for a level 4 manuever? Spells usually need level checks for that.
>>44675188
This sounds likeIron Heart Surge.
>>44675188
action costs and availability are important, as well as the fact that if you can't move you can't initiate a maneuver. it's personal-only, too, unless you find some way to share a boost.
>>44675188
You get a one-shot dodge of the effect, as opposed to slightly higher level spells that would heal it in you and friends after it's taken root, or make you and your friends actually immune in the first place.
>>44675434
It's not just a one-shot dodge, you can use it to remove any effect at any time afterwards. The main limitation is that it can only affect yourself, unless you have an ability like that initiator paladin thing.
>>44675265
It does still strike me as a bit strong, though.
Unless it specifically lists all the conditions it can remove, it can also do stuff like negate poison and sickness, which are longer term and harder to get rid of, but still a temporary negative condition.
It's basically 'don't worry if you fail a save against this condition, you can just automatically act as if you rerolled and passed'
>>44675188
It's a fixed Iron Heart Surge. IHS was never a problem outside of wording exploits.
>>44675457
ONLY if you're still able to use maneuvers once affected.
>>44675567
Well yes. That rules out, like, a couple conditions.
My DM let me use Antagonize. Should I also taking intimidating prowess as a Paladin. So I can have a plus +9 on intimidation checks? Or is antagonize not worth it?
>>44675567
No, it's an immediate action.
It takes place the moment you're about to be affected.
>You may initiate this counter when you would be affected by a negative condition
>Negate the condition that would affect you
Keyword 'would'.
>>44675576
most of the disabling ones.
good against poison and the like, but then, so are 2nd/3rd level spells gained earlier than this.
>>44675627
sure, but then you're also complaining about spammability, which is just not true in the context of prevention since you can only do it once per round and once per maneuver recovery, and someone who's no-save-just-losing you will probably have more lose spells lined up
>>44675485
It also can remove grapples, falling prone, entanglement, aging, any negative spell effect that can be considered harmful (like geas or dominate), suffocation, unconsciousness, and death in some cases.
>>44675761
iirc, they called out "death" as something not allowed. I think I read something to that effect in the playtest threads ages ago.
Is there a incorporeal not undead?
>>44675956
Shadow demons and prana ghosts off the top of my head.
>>44675956
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/Search.aspx
incorporeal -undead
Hey fucking presto
>>44675956
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/bestiary-hub/monsters-by-type#subtype-incorporeal
This has more but here are three if you dont wanna look through the list.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/animate-dream
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/oozes/colour-out-of-space
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/heralds/arcanotheign
>GMing Iron Gods
>two players die to wraiths
>they become wraiths themselves
>the advanced wraith dies and the player wraiths become free willed
>they want to rejoin the party playing as wraiths
Do I allow it?
>>44676108
Good look killing robots with negative energy
>>44676108
No. Do I/we really need to explain why this is stupid, mechanically or RPwise?
>>44676146
Well they're free willed wraiths, the hell else are they going to do?
>>44676192
Get resurrected or roll new characters
>>44676192
>be turned into life-hating undead made out of the antithesis of living
>lol I'm still the same guy I'll keep adventuring with my best buddies forever
>let PCs get incorporeality and undead immunities
Shit GM detected
How unoptimized can I be as a fullcaster?
I don't wants to be a waste of party space but a punching Wizard or skill monkey Cleric seems like fun...
>>44676278
It still says free will, and who says undead have to be evil?
>>44676108
Maybe have their characters reappear as NPC's?
>>44676364
Read the description for wraiths man
Is there any way for me as a PC to qualify for the ghoul only feats?
I thought maybe racial heritage (ghoul), but that's only for humanoids.
I'm trying to play a Ghoul Blooded sorcerer who worships the Demon Lord of Ghouls and has ghoul feats.
I just really want to be more ghoul like.
>>44676364
When did I mention evil?
>>44676364
>undead
>not evil
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>44676364
Depends on the setting. Undead don't /have/ to be evil, but they tend to be. Wraiths in particular universally hate life. It's a literal, physical part of their being (inasmuch as something incorporeal can have a physical part).
If they came back as wraiths and then just went back to adventuring, they're not wraiths. They're ghosts.
Someone who came back as a ghost though sheer force of will when a wraith would normally have created them into a spawn is a neat idea though.
>>44676380
Take Leadership. Get a cohort with UMD or Create Undead on their spell list. Buy a scroll of Create Undead. Kill yourself. Make the cohort use the scroll on you to become a ghoul.
>>44676445
something can be physical but not tangible, buddy
>>44676346
Skillmonkey Cleric is not just doable, but pretty good in some cases. Waste of potential, but that's the goal anyway. Awesome scout too.
>>44676460
That seems very trusting, but I may actually be willing to try it. Hey, what's the worse that could happen?Besides him not resurrecting me
>>44676561
It's that or ask for GM fiat, either handwaving or via a quest/arcane ritual to let you qualify. Especially since a bunch of ghoul feats require you to be centuries old.
>>44676412
Said the god who hate undead but grant animate dead as domain spell.
>>44676610
I think there's actually a note that Pharasma replaces it with death ward or some shit.
>>44676610
>>44676620
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lbvp
>Pharasma-Friendly Death Domain 3rd-level domain spell: Replace animate dead with speak with dead. 6th-level domain spell: Replace create undead with antilife shell. 8th-level domain spell: Replace create greater undead with symbol of death.
>Pharasma-Friendly Souls Subdomain 3rd-level domain spell: Replace animate dead with speak with dead.
>>44676489
Awesome. 2 + INT is pretty sad though... But I thinks I can live with 16 INT and 14 WIS as Cleric.
So where can I find a community or group that actually runs PF games with DSP material allowed? I feel like I'm on a quest for a grail over here.
>>44677580
Where've you been looking?
>>44677580
I allow it but my group members hate it because of a former member who abused the shit out of it.
>>44677692
What the hells did he abuse?
>>44677643
Roll20, Mythweavers, RPG.net, Game Finder threads. A lot of people play it locally but they're deep into the Paizo coolaid and hate third party material.
>>44677776
Used Psion to completely invalidate every single encounter we threw through charming the shit out of everything and everyone with high as hell DCs they can never beat. Was going to eventually go Thrallherd, which I looked at and saw was bullshit.
>>44677800
>coolaid
Subhuman detected.
>>44677866
So, standard spellcaster affair?
>>44677866
>>44677912
But I thought DSP was always tier 3 balanced?
>>44677930
Psion is tier 2, and their classes all really fall between 2 and 4, I think Psion is their only tier 2, but their may be archetypes for like wilder or some other full casters that change that.
>>44677930
>>44677866
Well, standard spellcaster affair, but it's harder to do with a psion. I suspect shenanigans that have little to do with the class
Or at the very least, ignoring of PP manifester level expenditure limits.
>>44677930
A full-caster is a full-caster, even in a dream.
>>44677930
No one has every said that. The Psion's a spontaneous ninthcaster, so about the same as Sorcerers. The Mystic and Vizier are also probably T2 because of their sheer power and their ability to wreck WBL with crafting.
Where can I find the best GM's screen for Pathfinder?
>>44677967
Sounds like it me as well.
Would you say 2 CON is a fair trade for immunity to fatigue and exhaustion as a barbarian? I'm going to guess no.
Context: my barbarian has a Belt of Physical Perfect +2 (all three physical stats). Upgrading it to +4 would require 48,000 GP, a total I have about half of now. Upgrading it by combining it with a Cord of Stubborn Resolve would cost 22,500, so almost all of the money I have now, and waste the CON boost from the item since it doesn't stack with the CON boost the item already gives. If I sell the Belt of Physical Perfection though, I would have enough money to buy a Belt of Physical Might +2 (STR/DEX) and combine it with a Cord of Stubborn Resolve. It would cost around 30,000 GP, and when upgraded to +4 STR/DEX & +2 CON, it would be worth about 62,000 GP, almost as much as a Belt of Physical Perfection +4.
>>44677930
DSP started with a straight-up port of the Expanded Psionics Handbook from 3.5. This was their first big mistake.
>>44678224
What are thier other mistakes?
>>44678272
Blonde elves.
>>44678272
Ask them, they're usually keenly aware of such things.
>>44676346
>>44676691
You want suboptimal Cleric and want more skills? Take the Cloistered Cleric archetype, it was made for you. 4 + Int skills, reduced spell slots, +1/2 level to Knowledges (and nothing to use that for), and the ability to Aid Another to everyone in the party (eventually) within 30ft... for skill and ability checks only.
If you take the halfling Helpful trait in combination with the Fools for Friends trait, you can Aid Another for +5... so effectively you can make the whole party reasonably good at any particular task they're set to. Great when the campaign unexpectedly turns aquatic, or similar unpreparedness scenarios.
So what's the Diplomacy check DC to convince a demon to stop possessing you without a fight?
>>44678023
No really. I need a DM screen. The only one I can find is fucked, format wise.
>>44678011
Psion and arguably Wilder are T2, T1 with augmented Reformation.
Mystic and Vizier can crack T2 with crafting cheese, but it's easy to see those coming. Both are solid-to-high 3s without the cheese.
Most of the rest are T3 on at least some builds, with a couple of solid-to-high 4s (base non-sidebar Soulknife and Wrath Daevics come to mind, maybe 1-2 others). Note that Wrath (Vengeance) Daevic is /freaking high/ on T4, having the highest standing damage out of any DSP class (clocked ~1200 DPR on my Olympic sim with full cheese).
No DSP class lands on the bottom half of T4 or below
>>44678648
Hmm, you might have to make your own then.
What tables do we need?
>>44678600
You'd have to convince it that it would have any reason to do so to even have the ability to make that check. If the demon's got all the cards he doesn't even have to hear your words.
>>44678343
Ah, so you have no answer and you are just shit posting because they make you a mad salty cunt.
Good to know.
>>44678323
Highly overrated.
>>44678691
So all I have to do is convince it that my body is of no use to it and it'd be better off possessing someone else?
>>44678837
Nah, in all seriousness we've made our share of mistakes. UltPsi was early in the run and featured Soulknife (too conservative), certain legacy powers (fucking Ego Whip, Reformation, Fusion + Astral Seed), we kinda fucked up some of the PrCs, we published Psychic Wizard.
And I'm not trying to say only the old guard made mistakes. We didn't get proper editing on Path of War. I fucked up certain feats in Psionics Augmented: Wilder. Bloodforge needed errata like an hour after publishing, which is written and being worked on but goddamn (Bloodforge is the reason we always do public playtesting now, incidentally). We forgot oversight on Focused Disciplines.
We fuck up sometimes. We rely on you folks, our fans, to let us know when it happens so we can do what we can about it.
Describe the Paladin class without making it sound like it should be a Cleric archetype.
>>44678897
Don't forget that feeling, not-anon.
So guys I have never played Pathfinder before but have wanted to try it out. I was invited to play with some folks from work but don't want to be the dead weight being the new guy.
Now, I love games like Dark Souls, Witcher, Diablo, and the like so I am all for being a dude laying waste with a sword. So I want to build a knight type character. But what are some suggestions for not being a straight up noob? And where may I find a cool tin/steel knight figure for a decent price that would be to scale? I keep finding ones that are 2 inches tall and I believe that is bigger than most pathfinder figures right?
>>44678897
Man, that's a brave stance to take in the industry. I salute you, seriously.
Is pfsrd gonna get some of that errata? It seems to be the main source of rules for a lot of people.
>>44678837
Check your fire, I like DSP. And posting after Gareth, apparently. Also, I'm not >>44678224 , just some random asshole who barged in.
>>44678907
Holy knight who smashes evil's face in, with passive bonuses.
>>44678907
A man and his horse, dealing huge amounts of melee damage for justice and honor.
>>44678323
>>44678856
I know, we have too darn many of them.
>>44678990
We'd rather be honest then sell you a line of hostile crap like other publishers do, and then blame you for our troubles. We're human, we own our shit and try harder down the line. If it's something we can fix, we do.
As far as the errata goes... that's a great question. Maybe? We'd basically have to provide the errata file to John over at PFSRD and hope that he or his team finds time to input it.
>>44679184
Yeah I mean I have ultimate psionics but most of the time I end up going through pfsrd instead.
Well, you can't really help the inability of books to have multiple tabs.
>Somehow fail two secret will saves in a row
>PC, usually the voice of reason, is now compelled to argue an absurd position about how they'll stay behind and guard an elf npc while everyone else goes and fights the dungeon boss without them
>The party bard who is usually the less responsible one gets serious and tells me I'm being a moron
>I stay in character and argue hard about how staying behind is the right thing to do and they're just too callous
>They seem to not suspect I'm under enchantment/compulsion at all
>OOC (And In Character too, normally) I agree with everything the bard is saying but can't admit it
>Session is called for the week
>Bard player may now think I'm a moron for the next seven days until it's revealed
A special kind of suffering.
>>44678990
PFSRD is not in our control. That's John, and he does the best he can with an essentially all-volunteer staff. If you know someone who'd like to help, we'd love to have more of our material up there. The PoW section needs cleaning up, lots of UltPsi isn't there, a lot of our supplements straight up aren't there just yet.
But none of /us/ can really influence that either.
>>44679264
Getting Dominated is always painful.
>>44679264
You don't have control loss protocols?
Your party should be suspecting this right from the start.
Ah who am I kidding anyways, I gotta turn on most if not all the party in about 3 sessions so they can't give Molthune to their *two* demon lords in exchange for 'getting to become vampires' with a horrible damned ritual.
>>44679264
>Keeping secrets OOC
What are you guys, some metagaming faggots that have to substitute lack of knowledge in place of an agreement not to metagame when you do know something OOC?
>>44679070
Funny that the only leg Paizo had to stand on when nerfing the shit out of melee was uberchargers, but Spirited Charge was untouched. If I was forced to play a game of core-only melee I'd consider that the ONLY option now. Bravo Paizo.
Asked in the drawthread a few hours ago but I didn't get a bite. Any of you know of any good drawfriends currently taking commissions? Specifically ones able to work with male characters (I know some don't) but not one overtly masculine. Fantasy themed, of course.
I've messaged one of the older D&D drawfriends (Hoyt) but no reply yet.
On a more relevant note, can anybody PoW playtest experience fill me in on how TWF is looking? I've heard some strong words tossed around about "too good" and "overpowered" but I don't know how much of that is from full casters or what.
Can a pharasma dhampir cleric cast inflict light wounds on himself to self heal? Does pharasma allow it or is it still considered necromancy
>>44679592
Pretty sure Pharasma doesn't have anything against necromancy as a whole, just undead stuff.
>>44679609
She will probably want you to kill your vampire mom/dad, though.
>>44679492
If you rely on full-attacks and Dragon Assault, you will tear CR-appropriate enemies to shreds.
If your group uses PoW in any way, your GM will need to add a whole lot more to fights if they're going to be more than 3-round-tops affairs.
>>44679374
Well, I really put the effort into making it sound like something I'd actually say. It's a style of logic, reasoning and conviction completely typical of my character- except in this case it just happens to be something I don't actually believe is sensible. Which just dug my grave deeper, really.
>>44679387
That's hard sometimes because if you're too worried about not metagaming a solution, you might go out of your way to avoid the solution even if it would be an in-character thing to do.
Also there's a weird masochistic amusement to this situation.
>PC is now charmed by elfgirl and gets kissed/cuddled/etc
>Bard is now angry at me for being swept up by women when it counts and leaving the team behind
>PC is usually the one who heavily criticizes the bard for barding around with women and not being cooperative
The irony is just so thick.
>>44679264
My GM always uses me at the target for such effects because people can't tell. I remember when he set he against the party.
>>44679884
But.... surely once that happens enough, the party will have learnt to catch on, creating the opposite effect?
>>44671785
Why do we have a cute bat gril for a general and how do I make her smile?
So after the last thread, I was able to somewhat plan my gun slinging magus.
# =rest of the levels
Gunslinger 1 (Pistolero/Siege Engineer), Magus # (Eldritch Archer)
or
Gunslinger 3 (Musket Master/Siege Engineer), Magus # (Eldritch Archer)
but not sure if I should use Wizard(Spellslinger) in anyway. Any another build advice? No third part sources sadly, but if there is an option that is very good, might try and convince my GM.
>>44679492
I may have a commission slot open here pretty soon! However, my male character example pool is somewhat lacking, I'm sorry to say. Something I plan to rectify! If you'd be interested to hash something out at least, you can get ahold of me through[email protected]
>>44680275
But elsbethanon, how often have you drawnlolis?
>>44680275
What's her five-rep max on the squat and the bench press? Is it greater than her fellow party members?
Which gestalt would /pfg/ do?
>mystic//augmented blade soulknife using bows
>mystic//augmented blade soulknife using a one handed pistol
>mystic//soul bolt soulknife
>>44680381
>//augmented blade soulknife using bows
I'm using a stalker doing this, and I have to say, I'm pretty happy with it.
>>44680381
>>mystic//augmented blade soulknife/shattered mind multiclass, welding each of their psicrystals to a different weapon just for fun.
>>44680012
Why are you taking Gunslinger exactly over Spellslinger?
>>44680337
Not quite as often. I have gotten a few commission requests, though no follow-ups.Though it bugs me when folks come up and ask for "Oppai Loli" when "Shortstack" would be more appropriate.
>>44680371
Considering she's one of the only STR-based characters in the party (with the exception of the Druid's Bear), I would surmise 'yes'.
>>44680275
Do Lily and Elsbeth know each other? How do they/would they get along?
>>44680518
It should bug you when they ask for oppai loli in the first place.
>>44680523
Lilly (or at least this rendition of her) and Elsbeth exist is the same Eberron world; Elsbeth's story takes place ten years later after Lilly's, and since her's hasn't been finished yet, there's no telling whether Lilly would live long enough to make any kind of impact or make any sort of cameo later on.
>>44680552
It does quite frankly. But there's something that much more unsettling when using "loli" to describe a character even when they're adult and visibly mature. I think it just might be the proclamation of the creep factor with that
Hey, I've got 200,000g worth of loot to give out in a dragon's horde. Any suggestions for stuff?
>>44680715
>there's no telling whether Lilly would live long enough to make any kind of impact or make any sort of cameo later on.
Well she's going to be empress of the world, so I think that's probably enough to at least take a guess at what kind of impact she'll have.
>>44680739
Depends. What kind of dragon?
>>44680813
Black Great Wyrm
>>44679921
It's happened four times now. Apparently they still can't tell.
>>44680840
corrosion resistant things.
not "lol this gives you immunity to acid" but everything should be made of stuff he doesn't have to worry about drooling on when sleeping
So I'm playing in a level 20 game and decided to play a demoniac because why not.
I managed to get to 50int as well the following way:
18 (base) + 4 (tiefling) + 3 (age) + 5 (levels) + 5 (wish) + 6 (belt) + 3 (that one occult book) + 6 (energumen) = 50 int for up to 10 rounds a day.
How do I push this farther? Also, how do I roleplay a being that has 50int? I myself have 10int max.
>>44680840
Expensive black stuff. Black dragons tend to have smaller hordes than other dragons (in terms of size, but equal in terms of value) and favor dark items like sculptures of black marble, onyx gemstones, and black magic items. They would probably not have much in the way of paintings or such, because black dragons love defacing art.
I'm GMing a game and one of my players wants to play a Forgepriest. He gets a lot of crafting stuff as part of his class.
This brings up crafting in general. When starting above level 1 how should I represent the ability to craft? Should a character be able to spend their money on things they crafted, and this be able to double their funds? Or should it be a smaller amount, like 1.5x base wealth?
I want to represent the fact he spent feats and class features on these things.
Thoughts?
>>44680381
>>mystic//augmented blade soulknife using a one handed pistol
Gunsmoke Mystic plus Augmented Blade Soulknife for sure; that'd be my vote! Sounds like crazy fun - especially if your GM allows for the free Gifted Blade manifesting progression on top of it.
>>44680949
>>44680887
I mostly need to do this because the PCs hit the horde immediately after the Wyrm died. If they hadn't, the module has it stolen by a rival out from under them.
But the Sorc immediately teleported there, leaving the rest of them in battle with a shitload of pissed off knights and paladins.
>>44680739
Dragons Unleashed has some pretty good pregenerated hoards.
>>44681029
Odd behavior on the sorcerer's part. Better make it 19,999,900 copper pieces and a small golden plague that says "Fuck you" in draconic, valued at approximately 1 GP.
>>44680813
>Well she's going to be empress of the world, so I think that's probably enough to at least take a guess at what kind of impact she'll have.
We can only hope, anon.
In the downtime system, can you buy capital with other capital the way that you can spend capital on appropriate things (like Magic on item crafting)?
>>44681095
>no more fear
But fear is one of the most natural things in existence! It's a sign of a self-preservation instinct!
>playing first session of wrath of the righteous
>playing paladin of iomedae because why not
>fall down a hole because fucking demons
>stuff unimportant to the greentext happens
>come across a dwarf wizard shouting at us to get away, calling us guards
>as the party walks without me ignoring crazy hobo dude I detect evil and ask if he's a criminal
>he tries to color spray me
>pass the save
>combat begins
>one player criticizes me both in and out of character for attacking someone for being evil
>kill the dorf and move on
>later, come across a few corpses in iomedae armor but with symbols of baphomet
>take one of their glaives for myself
>same player says I should get less favor with iomedae for not using a longsword
>"In my hands, these weapons are all those of justice"
Anyone else play a paladin and deal with stuff like that?
>>44681084
Not entirely. The Sorc was playing a half-dragon and he grabbed onto the body of the Wyrm (his grandfather) and teleported it back to the lair. He screamed for someone to get a cleric so they can resurrect him.
But on the other side, they're all evil and grandpa is a competitor in the long run, so he's thinking he'd be better off using the wrym's body and wealth for revenge.
>>44681048
Thank you, Seryzilian’s Hoard works for this, but I still need to add aproximately 50k gold, so I think I'll just add a nice weapon.
>>44681129
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/downtime#TOC-Converting-Capital
It's usually not worth it
A Pelt of the Beast gives its wearer several powers, including the ability to turn into whatever kind of animal the pelt is fashion from as if using Beast Shape I. But one option is a bat, which is a diminutive sized animal that you can't turn into using Beast Shape I because of its size. How is this suppose to work? Do you treat it as Beast Shape III, which is the lowest level version of Beast Shape that can turn into a diminutive bat? Do you just because a small-sized bat as per Beast Shape I? Or is there something else?
>have to play jade regent tomorrow
>don't know what to make because the party is indecisive as fuck
All we got set in stone is a Vivisectionist Alchemist and a strength based martial because that's all this one guy goes. What tier 3 do you guys recommend? Paizo only, 20 point buy.
>>44681183
>"In my hands, these weapons are all those of justice"
Fucking bad ass.
>>44681195
Converting capital isn't (except labor and goods into magic, because that's 1:1), but could you spend capital instead of money when spending resources to generate capital?
Ex: Generate a point of Labor on day 1 for 10 gp. Generate 2 points of goods on day 2 for a point of Labor (instead of 20 gp)?
>>44681177
The young lady has much to learn on her journey. Maybe someone to help keep her feet grounded and her aspirations high could help.
>>44681282
>the party is indecisive as fuck
Clearly you need to play a bard (or other charisma caster) and steer this mess.
You are know acutely aware that your party didn't read the goddamn backstory you wrote and don't care for the cultural context of the setting you're playing in. To the point where the latter got half clarified, half retconned after the first session was over because only two of the players were RPing within said cultural context.
>>44681415
>tfw I know this feel
Why, anon? Why do you remind me of my pain?
>>44680995
Usually how crafting on higher level campaigns has gone is that a crafter gets full discount on non-magical goods and equipment.
Other thing is that no more than half there wealth can be spent on a single item. This is based off the selling price of the item. So a lvl 6 character can't have a +4 attribute item even though they can afford it normally, even if they are paying half-price due to crafting.
It works well at forcing more balanced characters into campaigns and prevents a crafter from exceeding WBL in serious ways. Having twice the items only matters when you can't fill every slot. After each slot is filled it matters less.
Each crafting feat is one less feat that person has for other things. Those extra/better items fill the role of them usually. Crafting scales better than most feats so its fine as long as the initial items are okay'd by you as the GM.
TLDR; Basically let them have double funds for self crafted items, limit individual item value to a reasonable fraction of total wealth, look over their inventory for any weird stuff before allowing it.
>>44681415
I'm really lucky my group seems to like reading that shit. Except for one player's friend, but they're still all right, just more of a rip-and-tear sort while the others are lorefags.
It's a lot of fun when players come to you to ask about plotlines they want to try and work into the narrative.
>>44681415
Nah, my players are doing fine. Find better players.
Also I learned to not write too much on a setting. Bullet points work best for ease of use.
>>44681129
>>44681195
You could also just get a Horn of Plenty and convert your low-value capital into Magic capital.
>>44679941
>>44681009
If any of your DSP guys are still around I have a realtalk hard question for you; what do you think you will do if Paizo ever decides to eventually make a Pathfinder 2e and manages to invalidate, remove any compatibility with, or otherwise alienate existing third party material for the Pathfinder line?
I'm not trying to be cynical here but I cannot forsee a future where they don't eventually launch a new edition, for whatever that may entail. Not with the fight they're getting from WotC anyway.Its pretty disheartening to see people switch from 4e or even PF to 5e without even considering it beyond 'its new and simple, so it has to be better right?.' Not expressing any judgments on 5e nor trying to start a fight, but seeing whole groups justify their abandonment - especially while ignoring a wealth of material that make the games more palatable - doesn't sit well with me.
>>44679941
Batfus?
>>44682037
Didn't DSP say they're making their own game?And I mean, it's not like people will stop playing Pathfinder. Many didn't stop playing 3.5 when 4e came out.
>>44679941
>>44682059
>>44682059
>>44682072
nananananananananananananananana batwomman!
>>44682065Lets be honest with ourselves, they only continue to play 3.5e because Paizo stepped in during the Perfect Storm and swept up most of the fractured elements. If they hadn't, I'm pretty sure 3.5e would be in about the same place as AD&D or 2e by this point.
>>44682093Well fuck, that was meant to be a partial spoiler on "wo/man". Also, was supposed to be correctly spelled.
I think I might be tired.
>>44682093
>screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>44682100I'm gonna be perfectly honest. I have played and enjoy playing 5e, 4e, and 3.5. I play 3.p with DSP stuff a lot.
I jump at the chance to play any of them. I do not think that 3.5 is a good game, but it's got the most fun character-building minigame of any system I've played, and I still enjoy playing and DMing it. Paizo can go fuck themselves.Not only that but there's still a fairly large community both online and offline of 3.5 players, to the point that new shit in the game and odd interactions are /still/ being discovered.
>>44682100
I play PF because there are tons of content to feed my imagination and provide an outlet for character buildingbecause I never actually play real games. Why do they always fall apart? Am I the common denominator?
>>44682153I enjoy 5e in so far as its pretty straight forward and easy for me to drop into, lots of people are interested and playing for the first time on it so that is fun. It doesn't captivate me the same way 4e combat and encounter design from the DM perspective did, nor how 3.5e and PF let me, as you say, play the charop minigame. DSP has fortunately improved on the ToB formulate so now its starting to meld into a hybrid of 3.PF customization and 4e style encounters.The only reason I don't still play 4e is its a hassle getting my favorite framework up and running on MapTools, and I've found that I've exhausted most of its more common builds. There are quite a few but they never click the same way 3e charop can.
>>44682123
Are bat people actually a playable race?I'm just in here because of the artwork.
>>44682255
You can be a bat skinwalker, yes.
>>44682230
Try online, and do lots of networking. A good game starts with a good group which requires socializing and finding people with similar interests. Most of my current group actually comes from an Exalted group who stuck together, if only out of mutual disdain for that game and years and years of games.
>>44682255
I have art for them but as a specific race no. There are some monster classes you can convert and werebats and skinwalkers but they are not really batfolk types.
>>44682409
>skinwalkers
>not really batfolk
>literally transform into hybrid/full bats
u wot
>>44681751
That's an option, but we're very low level at the moment. We're spending a lot of time away too, so trying to figure out if we need to bring back a fuckton of money just to be able to use the capital we've generated or if we can let it grow. Considering that buildings generate money at the same rate as capital (1gp/point per 10 of the check result), it seems idiotic to generate anything but capital, seeing as how that flat out doubles your money.
>>44682508
>transform
:^)
Has anyone seen the new Cheliax and Agents of Evil books? Are they any good? Any interesting stuff?
>>44682621
Cheliax is pretty bad and has fucking nothing, all of Agents of Evil has been leaked. Anything in particular you'd want?
>>44682650
Umm. All of them?
>>44682650
Not that guy, but it hasn't been Troved yet.
>>44682712
The trove hasn't been updated since November, it doesn't have WMH either.
>>44682681
Here, have an Insinuator
>>44680424
I think its mostly for the quick clear and deeds that can help benefit you. It's also the reason for Siege Engineer so you don't go MAD. But idk about the Spellslinger, How much of a dip would you need?
>>44681323
Hey Dorian, odd question. What would Elsbeth look like as a half drow instead of half regular elf? Anything change other than coloration?
>>44682650
I'm particularly interested in new traits and stuff.
>>44682937
Traits you say?
>>44682937
>>44682976
I got some traits
>>44682876
That's actually a very good question. I suppose almost everything about Elsbeth could be different depending on who raised her and how she grew up. She may not have as heavy an eating habit, much less she may not even have found Arcane magic as a means of escapism. In fact, if she grew up in Xen'drik and lived alongside the Half Giants, she may have become a Psion.
>>44682991
>>44682976
Sweet stuff, thanks senpai
also that tiefling is pretty qt
Does anyone know a guide to prestige classes? The list is just so damn long to sort through to find decent ones.
>>44682732
Hermes is pretty slow. Also VH is being a diva as always.
>>44682991
>tieflings get Smite Good as a racial
LOL WHAT? OKAY
How does Eternal Guardian do? I'm making a character who uses it a little and want to know which maneuvers are good, and what to look out for
How do you guys make your low level fighters stick out?
I have begun using Profession (soldier) and Profession (mercenary) more heavily in my game, namely in recognizing military tactics.
Normally when participating in larger battles, or at least against larger forces, I give DCs for recognizing things such as:
>this place would be an ideal ambush
>this is probably a false retreat
>they may be drawing you in to flank
And things of this nature. It's become a general purpose combat recognition thing for stuff that is harder to convey in the minds eye (exact troop movements on a large scale).
What similar ways could I make use of other professions?
>>44683265
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/background-skills#TOC-Expanded-Profession
>>44683292
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/background-skills#TOC-Expanded-Profession
These are certainly good, but are there more?
>>44683218
I can tell you how to make a fighter at level 3 stick out by being stupid. It involves pumping to 30 strength then hitting things and crying that you don't have color spray.
>>44683218
Depends on your group. If people give half a fuck about roleplaying then just figure out a good backstory for him. Humble beginnings and obvious inexperience can help build bonds with other characters if he seeks out their help in learning to better himself.
Otherwise if you're just looking for mechanics I'd go with a shield build. Enchant one as a shield and the other as a weapon and bash the piss out of everything. Not exactly optimal but entertaining enough.
>>44682850
1 level at most. Spellslinger isn't worth more, you want your caster levels to be in magus.
