>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here: http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/
>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial: http://jyenicolson.net/exalted/. It'll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.
>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. With the new edition, though, chances are more games will crop up.
Resources for Third Edition
>3E Backer Core https://mega.nz/#!E1dRBBIa!ZbQG4IasYCJRli2bhgE2MOdWeFAeV3N1rqL9kAIGbNE
>Character Sheet & Init tracker: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByD2BL6J89Nick41YUk0RUt3YlU
>Online charsheet:
http://howsfamily.net/Exalted
>General Homebrew dumping folder: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByD2BL6J89NiQzdCWWFaY0c5Mkk&usp=sharing
>Collection of old 3e Materials, including comics and fiction anthologies https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t2arqtqtyyt28/Exalted_3Leak
>Charm Trees:
>Solar Charms: https://imgur.com/a/q6Vbc
>Martial Arts: https://imgur.com/a/mnQDe
>Evocations: https://imgur.com/a/TYKE4
Resources for 2.5 Edition:
>All books with embedded errata notes, as well as some extras: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/253ulzik1j9s5/Exalted
>Chargen software: http://anathema.github.io/
>Anathema homebrew charm files: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pka3nz3vqbqda/Anathema_Files
>MA form weapon guide: http://www.brilliantdisaster.net/dif/ExaltedMA.html
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/ua7tanepy2jfkdp/Exalted_2nd_Ed_-_Return_of_the_Scarlet_Empress.pdf
Resources for 1e:
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9vp0e9id3by6m/Exalted_1e
Do you think Sidereals dream in pivot tables?
>>44114773
>Do you think Sidereals dream in pivot tables?
What?
>>44115737
I think OP is a Raksha
The hell is a "pivot table"? Op, are you high again?
>>44115792
MURK DERM RAKKIES WARBLIN KOANS KEEPIN HONES' FOLK UP AT TH' CRACK O' DAWN WONDERIN SHIT LIKE IF THEIR TEAKETTLE FEELS PAIN.
T'AIN'T NO GOOD I TELLS YA.
Maybe it's just a highly effective conversation starter, but the only conversation is 'what the fuck is going on?'.
Morke:
>Fate-Shifting Solar Arete is going to get, shall we say, a slight "snip snip."
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?768590-Exalted-3rd-Edition-Discussion-Thread&p=19634364#post19634364
>>44115879
According to google, it's some sort of table used by spreadsheets in formula shit. So he may not be high, but he's certainly a nerd.
>>44115976
What did that charm do again? Was it the predictionism one?
>>44116218
oh, I found it
Fate-Shifting Solar Arete
Cost: 1wp; Mins: Larceny 5, Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Lightning-Hand Sleight, Unshakable
Rogue’s Spirit
The Lawgiver adjusts the scales of balance in her favor,
and fate is made her accomplice. This Charm enhances
any kind of action. Before rolling, the player chooses a
number from 2 to 5. That number is treated like a 10 each
time it appears in the subsequent roll. The Solar may use
this Charm once per full night’s rest.
An Essence 4+ repurchase allows the Solar to change two
different numbers from 2 to 5 into 10s.
>>44116259
The question isn't 'why was it cut' the question is 'how did it make it through so many revisions?'.
>>44115918
Heh, nice :P
>>44116291
it's not getting cut, they're just not making it that good at crafting/workings
>>44116535
The obvious thing (to me, anyway) would be to specify that it can only be used on at most one interval of an extended roll.
>>44117138
or just no using it on extended rolls. It's once per day as a balancing factor, but that's kind of pointless when you only make a roll every week. If it was restricted enough to actually hurt you to use it would be something different.
>>44115737
It's a conversation starter.
Like: do androids dream of electric sheep?
>>44115792
Meowbe.
>>44115879
Pivot tables are a data visualization aid that renders pages of data into a (somewhat) legible spreadsheet that delivers a summary of the data.
>>44116214
I accept that.
>>44116291
Because they started with a small playtest group of yes-men and progressively cut playtesters when the leaks started, so no one with an eye to push the limits of the system ever chanced to look through Larceny and realize, holy shit, you can use that stuff for fightan - and from there it'd have been a short hop, skip, and a jump to realizing actually you can use it for literally any-fucking-thing that could benefit from completely destroying the system's concept of expected successes.
>>44118434
open development is a bad idea though
Is White Reaper Style any good? I don't see many good things for it besides the form charm and the capstone. What else does it have going for it?
Daily reminder that Morke and Holden are liars and walking cancer balls
>>44118634
White Reaper tears even the more dangerous (high Might, led by a commander, etc.) battle groups to shreds, and its entry Charm gives Brawl a wedgie for a bonus.
>>44118717
So if I'm playing a Melee based character with a spear as a main weapon, would it hurt to dip in?
>>44118762
"Dipping" into MA in general is kind of an expensive proposition; think of it more like buying an artifact than picking up another fighting style: if you're only in it for one or two Evocations/Charms, it's probably not worth it even if it's great.
But MA come out of Solar XP, so it's not really that onerous to actually master one alongside your native fighting styles.
>>44118762
Don't dip, go balls deep. Maybe not as soon as you can, but you'll want all of it eventually.
It's nice to be able to solo a full-fucking-force Wyld Hunt, ya'know? And I'm not talking 500 peasants and a couple DBs.
>>44119689
That's what I was thinking, but MA won't be my supernal, so I can only dip until Ess3. It just so happened that a lot of my characters stats lined up well for it; spear, heavy armor, likely to fight a lot, et cetera.
>>44119735
Just remember that your MA and Melee charms are incompatible, so be careful that you don't overlap them too much.
>>44120039
What does Melee have that's good against Battlegroups? I'm currently set up for multi-attacks using Invincible Fury of the Dawn and Peony Blossom Technique.
I WANNA HELP RESTORE RAKSI'S SANITY THROUGH HANDHOLDING AND TENDER LOVINGS!
>>44120156
She's gone anon, Her and MaHa are basically Chimera on the inside.
How awkward must it be to be her Solar mate?
>>44120156
>not bullying Lilith to collect her tears
If I'm planning on playing a melee-weapon-focused Dawn, is it better to take a Martial Arts supernal, or a Melee supernal? I'm really interested in the Martial Arts styles, but I don't want to fuck myself over.
>>44120224
Who's the absolute worst Lunar mate?
>>44120343
>Lunar mates
>Terrible
Lunars are the best thing to happen to Solars since Sol Invictus.
>>44120343
Sensible answer: Ma Ha Suchi, because obvious reasons
Underrated answer: Tamuz if the Solar is a grill
>>44120343
All of them.
>>44120072
From my experience of throwing admittedly shitty Battlegroups against my players:
>Melee doesn't have any specific charms to help with fighting a BG.
>Don't bother using Decisives against BGs. They don't get the +Acc dice that Withering attacks do and the bonus to damage is shitty.
>You (as a Combat Dude) don't have too much to fear if they don't have a leader.
>But they're still a pain in the ass, bogging you down for turns and slowing down your Init gain.
There's probably more but I'm too distracted to think of it right now.
Dofox girl Lunarsactually exist, or are people just shitting with me?
>>44120156
I don't know about you, but I'd fuck the hell out of Mareva, the fire-aspect DB from Dreams of the First Age. Funnily enough, RPGnet thinks that her profile is pure sarcasm, but I can't think of anyone who needs the Solar D more.
An Eclipse caste could probably fuck the burgeoning crazy right out of her.
>>44120318
Melee is probably mechanically better, but you're a Solar PC bro. You're mechanically better than like 98% of the things around you. Do what you want.
>>44120072
A Battle-Group is really just a very buff opponent without charms and a huge dicepool; you don't really have anything that stands out as super awesome useful against battlegroups specifically until you get withering flurries.
>>44120522
You mean Marama.
>>44120494
Yeah. Seven Devils Clever is in the Exalted 2E core book, for instance, and she's a fox-girl. There's a busty catgirl in Scroll of Exalts who is totally slated to be a PC Abyssal's love interest, for another.
The funny part is that the apparent MILF is a crocodile-woman.
>>44120522
was she the one so brain washed into wanting to be a Solar cock-slut that she started torturing servitor races for "taking the DB's place at serving the Solars"? Wonder what happened to her during the Usurpation
>>44120615
>MILF is a crocodile woman
Madame Vert?
She isn't a croc, she's a Tree Strider. Basically an arboreal velociraptor
>>44120615
>Seven Devils Clever is in the Exalted 2E core book, for instance, and she's a fox-girl.
And what a fox-girl she was, huge tits and fluffy tail.
Wonder what happened to her Solar.
>>44120670
She became a concentration-camp commander. There's a place called Marama's Fell, where she was in charge of a death camp for the servitor races.
She eventually became a spectre, left her body behind and wandered right into the Labyrinth. Just imagine: All of this could have been avoided if, in Dreams of the First Age, someone just gave her a good, hard dicking. While her stats are all based around having sex, she's a DB. A decent diplomancer Solar could, ahem, 'win out' easily.
>>44120726
>Wonder what happened to her Solar.
Speaking of Solars and their Lunar mates, do you guys find it particularly odd when a DM uses an "unassigned" Lunar from the books and slaps them onto one of the player characters as their wife/rival/both?
>>44120798
Not really. Given the nature of how it works, there's a good chance that any one of them could be your mate. My Solar's Lunar mate was Leviathan, of all people. There was actually this really amusing back-and-forth since my PC was younger (and not nearly as wise) than him, yet still remembered (Past Life 3) what he was like as a young man. Sort of a reverse mentor thing.
>>44120798
Isn't every Lunar unassigned, if the ST wants them to be?
God knows Swan's not long for the world in any game one of my old STs ran, he really didn't like the guy. Yes that ST would also be the kinda guy to say 'Your past life was Desus'.
>>44120928
Technically, Desus was made worse and worse as the editions rolled on. In 1E, we didn't even know much about him: Lilith's first introduction implied she missed her Solar mate.
A problem is when the First Age Solars seem a bit TOO villainous at times. Admiral Arkady, like this >>44120868 guy mentioned, would rape female DBs and use his Eclipse caste power to swear them to silence.
Desus was an incredible hero at some point. They all were. It's the Great Curse that made him go batshit. His previous incarnation was apparently executed for being a double-*double*-agent.
>>44120726
>that search engine
Well, isn't that clever.
>>44121004
I know, I know, but Desus himself carries all this baggage of basically being a shitty avatar of the Great Curse. And with how bugfuck crazy ol' Lilly became in later books, it's an even more irritating thing to do for no reason.
>>44120318
Most of the Martial Arts styles are good, self-contained trees. A Dawn who rolls into combat with the full Shining Point or Steel Devil Style backing him up is not going to feel gimped relative to his Melee twin.
Melee does, however, have a perfect defense, a great onslaught-negator, the best defend other Charms, and can be used flexibly with a variety of weapons. Its multiattack and damage-adding Charms are good, even if some of the MA can get higher numbers.
For most Exalts, I would say it comes down to taste and role – if you're starting with an Artifact weapon and Evocations, you don't care about variety of weapons; if your Circle is all competent combatants; you don't care about Defend Other as much; etc. etc.
However, for a Supernal, you want an Ability you can invest big meaty chunks of XP into – and most MA styles end at 9 or 12 Charms. Melee's huge. You can literally always be adding a new trick to your repertoire every other session for half a year or more. So for a Dawn I'd lean strongly toward Melee, personally.
>>44120494
I play one in a somewhat-3e play-by-chat game. We use the 3e rules but sort of skirt around the exact extent of her Charms. Cropped pic related for character portrait.
This is the game that taught me to love 3e's Lore rule, btw, the one that lets you make stuff up. Since we play once a week, it's no issue to type up a description of something I want in-game, then catch the ST online to make a Lore roll. I use it primarily to invent NPCs, local customs, and locations. My character is substantially older than the other PCs (they are all Solars, age 25 and under) and a native of the area, so it is tremendously cool to be able to just say, “Why of course I own a share of a local winery,” or “Yes, the queen wants you executed, but I'm besties with her aunt, lay low today and I'll see what it would take to get a royal pardon,” and be able to narrate the existence of the winery or who the aunt is, etc.
>>44120318
If you're just going to buy one Style, Melee is better, but not to the point that it matters unless your opponent is throwing optimized Dawn-tier things at you.
Melee has a solid offense, but where it shines is its amazing defensive suite. Over-and-Under Method is the best panic button in the game, you get access to Heavenly Guardian Defense, and things like Fivefold Bulwark Stance, War Lion Stance, and Ready in Eight Directions Stance are all really strong, really effective options that make you and your allies a nightmare to attack.
Honestly? Single Point Shining Into the Void's full suite has a better actual offense if you go balls-to-the-wall on your Join Battle roll and then just burst everything. Steel Devil style is similar. Single Point Shining Into the Void has a reflexive clash (that is admittedly expensive) and Steel Devil has a parry booster. Two slashing swords lets you practice both, and they both get medium armor. See how nicely that works? That's when Martial Arts Supernal shines - if you're willing to keep buying and mixing styles, and especially inventing new ones to build further synergies.
It's also interesting because you can buy it out of Solar XP and spend your actual XP on all your other stuff if you want. It's not as neatly packaged as Melee and no one style is as all-encompassing, and armor and weapon restrictions mean you have to have a clear picture going in and can't switch around constantly, but it's by no means inferior. The tradeoffs balance out. Really, all you're missing is E5 Martial Arts - see if your ST will let you homebrew Essence 3-5 SMA styles.
>>44121182
I actually wonder how bad the Great Curse is. I mean, you only lose control for a scene, right? And even then, not ALL the Great Curses are actively harmful. Brightsword, for one, just stomps off and starts sulking in his tent. It's not like you flip out and decide to kill everyone.
Even Desus doesn't have to torture and excruciate someone RIGHT NOW, for instance. He could settle for really fucking up someone he already intended to kill, for instance.
>>44121282
Lunar players are the best.Kill your husbando yet?
>>44122214
The insidious nature of the Curse is that it feels GOOD. It completely refreshes your Willpower as a mechanical abstraction of that, but in-universe, Limit Break is a massive catharsis. It's like getting a perfect night of sleep, fucking that girl you always wanted to have, crying out the end of every sad movie you've ever watched, and slugging that guy you hate all at the same time.
It feels GREAT to let that stress build up and build up and let it all come exploding out. That's the danger of the Curse. Sure, maybe that time you didn't do any real harm, but the more you indulge in that catharsis, the more it becomes "okay," a habit that you're rationalizing, rather than a healthy outlet.
The Great Curse is habit-forming behavior an Exalt could possibly have bundled up together. The fact that it's an in-universe curse is totally secondary, because Exalts could (would and should, i m o) work that way anyway.
>>44122214
Mechanically in 3e it's as destructive as the ST says it is, and they can just delay it until they want to fuck you with it.
But I think the way it's fluffed, it'd be more accurate to have it modify your Intimacies even after you've calmed the fuck down, until after a few mental breakdowns you've got a Defining Principle of 'mortals don't matter' or 'nothing's really worth fighting for' or that intimacy of loyalty your Night had towards your circle-mates has shifted into this THING where it seems reasonable to visit the homes of anyone that even looks at them funny and remove all their fingers.
>>44122340
Yeah, but the Great Curse happens when you don't act on your beliefs. Like, a sample Great Curse is "When I don't get something I want." Desus, similarly, doesn't build up Great Curse from being a dick - "When kindness and diplomacy fail to accomplish a goal".
It's like a guy who goes postal after years of being...Wait. Ohhhhhhhh. Now I get it.
>>44122378
I actually like that. There's precedent for Limit Break having lasting effects, in some other Solar Charms. I might add that to my houserules doc.
>>44122394
Right. The trick is that instead of going "Hey maybe I should learn how to channel that uncontrollable stress I get when someone lies to me," Solars end up going "NO. NOBODY WILL LIE EVER." They can't help but care MORE rather than caring less about these things that they honestly can't do anything about; a shitload of Limit Triggers are things that are out of anyone's hands.
>>44122285
I like the Solar/Lunar Mate thing, but mechanically it's a problem. If your ex-wife from several thousand years wants to jump your bones right away, you're giving the PC a direct line to a high-Essence Lunar. At the very least, you have to introduce a new - and extremely important - NPC who's going to stick around for just a while.
Yes, this is even if we're talking about a newbie Solar or Lunar. In fact, this might actually be their first introduction to a whole new support structure, since the Silver Pact is a thing. Before, it was just 'a group of mismatched heroes struggle to figure out their powers and stay one step ahead of the Dragon-blooded'.
You suddenly realize you're not a freak of nature or demon-possessed, there are people who know what is happening to you.
>>44122461
>I actually like that.
aww shucks. If you expand it into something more concrete, I wouldn't mind seeing it. I'm busy procrastinating enough over some demon homebrew and building the NPCs of my current game.
>>44122469
I'm planning the oppoosite for one of my players, with a young Lunar looking for help from the PC who is their mate.
>I got all glowy like two months ago then this anathema started trying to abduct me and I felt like it was a good idea to come here and then I saw you and I think you're someone who can help and do you know what's going on?
>>44120726
Golden Widow Method. Trufax.
>>44122469
Elders from "several thousand years ago" are stupidly rare. I would invoke ST fiat in this scenario and make everyone's mate fairly young. Maybe one or two essence dots up on a Ess 1 Solar at the most.
As for the knowledge aspect. I don't see that as much of a problem. Most Solars can figure out what is happening to them (in broad terms) by pooling Past Life visions. Zeniths don't even need that since Papa Sol gives them a canned explanation about being chosen. Nothing the Silver Pack can tell you makes that Anathema lyfe any easier.
Hell your mates might not even know that much , since like I said pre-usurpation elders are hella rare and chances are most modern Lunars only know about Solars from stories their mentors heard from their own mentors
>>44122118
Really, though you should have to go through some form of initiation into the Perfected Lotus Blossom before getting any SMAs.
>>44122378
Honestly, I'm having a hard time figuring out why slipping into the homes of my enemies and removing their fingers wouldn't be such a hot idea. Enemies without fingers get all kinds of penalties, and not just on combat rolls. There's virtually no way they could pose a serious threat. And they're not dead, so it counts as mercy. For enemies of a Solar Exalt to only have their fingers cut off, they should be so lucky!
Let's see how many we can get in one night.
>>44122866
>t. Abyssal in disguise
>>44122940
Wouldn't work out. Resonance out the wazoo.
>>44122285
>Kill your husbando yet?
Itenderly hold hands withhim. Poor boy.
>>44122469
>I like the Solar/Lunar Mate thing, but mechanically it's a problem... you're giving the PC a direct line to a high-Essence Lunar.
>At the very least, you have to introduce a new - and extremely important - NPC who's going to stick around for just a while.
I don't think I've ever seen a player come to the table with an elder as a Lunar Mate, even though it's a running meme in the fandom.
Usually, unless they're being played by other characters, I see Lunar Mates represented as background dots. “I learned Crane Style because my Lunar taught me,” etc. We have a running joke in my current game that I couldn't actually think of a character so the ST made me play husbando's Mentor dots.
>>44122640
>I'm planning the opposite for one of my players, with a young Lunar looking for help from the PC who is their mate.
This is also excellent.
>>44122866
>For enemies of a Solar Exalt to only have their fingers cut off, they should be so lucky! Let's see how many we can get in one night.
You, you're the reason Golden Widows exist.
>>44122866
Your perceived enemies now include everything with eyes in a 50 mile radius of the circle. Any of them could be a Lunar and you know all of THEM have it out for you. And all those mortals are probably spies for who knows what or cultists or whatever.
I mean yeah you could spy on them to check that, but that's time spent not actively preventing all the threats to your circle. And that's unreasonable.
Yep, you're right, best remove the fingers. A nice bonus is that anyone who has fingers left after this are clearly foreign spies or have healing magic and you can't trust that.
Would it be an acceptable use of a Terrestrial sorcerous working to boost my Appearance up from 3 to 5 if I pay the XP to get there in addition to whatever XP I need to pay for the working? My Eclipse's trying to use the power of tender loving to turn a local Fair Folk duchess to the side of good (or at least, make her stop doing shit that fucks over humans), but I feel like his Appearance could be better and I'd rather not wait like a year to get Appearance 5.
>>44123247
Just ask the ST to ignore training times just this once via a dramatic hotness-enhancing montage. You know the one.
To actually answer your question, yes, a Working could do that.
>>44123247
I mean it's a noble goal, but that's a temporary fix at best. Turn her into a sword.
Otherwise, I'd allow it. I'd probably also allow you to get the extra XP back after the skipped-over training time was passed. But I also might describe your newfound beauty as being overtly magical.
>>44123331
>might describe your newfound beauty as being overtly magical.
How would you do that?
>>44123353
Fuck, man. How are you doing the working?
Maybe you every emotion and expression ripples across your face like water on a great lake, catching the light in pleasing ways.
Maybe when people look at you, they don't see you, they see all the features they find most attractive. This isn't 'overtly magical' except to the player, to be honest.
So i'm sure that I am not the first to have this idea, but if the Yozi can create Akuma, could the neverborn not do the same? Say to a dragonblood it offers them access to the Labyrinth circle of necromancy instead of the celestial circle of sorcery. Is this just a terrible idea that should never be attempted? Or would most everyone here facepalm if this happened at their table?
>>44123353
>>44123451
Depending on Finesse and how the player wanted it, I'd probably do something akin to how the Gilmyne or w/e work
They look different to everyone, but one thing is consistent: they're always a very attractive(to the specific viewer) person, dancing in a column of flame.
So, basically, everyone sees them slightly differently, but the different perceptions are still close enough that people could agree they're seeing the same person, unless they get into specific details that they find attractive in different ways(eg if one guy finds your girl's thin face to be attractive, but another guy finds the wideness of her face appealing, they might realize something's off, but most people aren't going to talk about those things directly, so it's fine in most instances)
>>44123671
Hair/eye colour might throw that off.
>>44123516
They sort of already have that, except you have to already be dead. The deathlords are the famous ones, but they have the regular ghosts that worship them get neato keen powers.
>>44123720
Hmmm, do said ghosts have a name? I haven't read up on them much but I almost wanna say you're kind of describing Nephwracks? Favored of the neverborn and the void?
>>44123737
Yeah, nephwracks was it. They aren't remade-as-tools as much as Akuma are, but the powerful ones are the ones that are most 'true to the vision and goals' of the neverborn.
Again, kind of, but not exactly.
>>44123768
Gotcha. Yeah I had the idea of a kind of corrupted Dragonblood who was seeking greater power in necromancy. So I wanted to know what everyone else would think if they saw such a thing at their table. I figured it'd be another Monstrance to corrupt the spark. I suppose then it's kind of like what happens after the dragonblood dies, does their exaltation somehow actually become a thing that could be given to another person? because the exaltation of the dragonblooded is quite different from those of the celestials.
>>44123841
For DBs... Their exaltation is tied to their life - their children get new ones, their own fades out when their life does. That said, they do keep traits that they had in life as a ghost - most importantly, their Essence score.
Best idea I have is the ghost of a DB learns Necrodonk and then gets their hands on an artifact that allows them access to Labyrinth circle Necrodank. Precedent: the Mantle of Brigid - lets whoever wears it cast one circle more-powerful Sorcery than they otherwise could have.
>>44124106
Well, The Black Treatise did speculate on the possible existence of the Black Mantle, a grave goods version of Brigid's Mantle that could exist in the underworld, and raises the wearer up a circle of necromancy rather than sorcery.
>>44124106
Hmmm, not a bad idea. I had figured that because it would have been a monstrance it would corrupt the exaltation, but because it just disappears when they die anyway that seems like far too much work for so little payoff. I'll look into the Black Mantle idea. Thanks!
>>44120868
>My Solar's Lunar mate was Leviathan, of all people.
Why is this funny to me?
>>44116535
He explicitly fucking said it's getting cut.
>>44120615
>Yeah. Seven Devils Clever is in the Exalted 2E core book, for instance, and she's a fox-girl.
With hairy, hairy arms.
>>44122469
A thousands-of-years-old Elder is ostensibly wise enough to take a while to decide whether you're worth getting intimately involved with for centuries, regardless of the fact that they're metaphysically incapable of just completely not giving a shit about you (which is all the Bond actually is).
Hell, if they're that old they've probably been through several bondmates. They've been around this block before and are prepared for it.
How long has it been since the Usurpation?
So if the Crew of the Enterprise (The Next Generation timeline) all wound up as Exalts, who would be what?
>>44125313
Picard is an Eclipse. Data is some variety of Alchemical. Geordi is probably a Twilight.
>>44125293
>Hell, if they're that old they've probably been through several bondmates. They've been around this block before and are prepared for it.
They can be pretty fucking old without having been around for the usurpation.
>>44125319
And Worf is a Full Moon Lunar.
>>44125319
The Red Shirts would be Heroic Mortals, yes?
>>44125551
Nah, just mortals. Heroic Mortals do cool shit. Mortals die en masse.
>>44125581
Ah, would Riker be a Dawn Caste, or am I being stupid?
>>44125597
Riker is Picard's Lunar Mate.
>>44125597
Honestly doubt there's a Dawn Caste in the lot. Nobody has that level of dedication to violence (besides Worf).
>>44125622
You know, I'm also picturing a Twilight who hails from Creation being...rather happy about replicators.
>>44118634
It has charms that increase accuracy of decisive attacks and that's pretty damn rare. Usually chasrms that enhance decisive attacks enhance damage and most of the time, that's redundant. White Reaper knows you're gonna deal a fuckton of damage with that scythe anyway so it lets you heat reliably with powerful alfa-strikes. It's surprisingly good, even when not fighting large bands of enemies. When you ARE fighting large bands of enemies they tend to evaporate in seconds.
What is the difference between Breeding 5 and Breeding 1 DB?
What about Breeding 5 and First Age DB?
>>44125659
Jesus. Replicators making Orichalcum would be insane. Picturing Starfleet ships looking like giant golden cocks, single-handedly fucking the Borg.
>>44125755
Their kennels
>>44125338
Worf doesn't shapeshift. He's a Dawn. A Dawn dumb enough to go for a 5 Strength/Stamina 1 Dexterity build.
>>44125902
Fair point.
>>44125780
I doubt Replicators could make Orichalcum. Magic, bro. It's not even like there isn't precedent in the Star Trek setting, since they can't make certain exotic materials like dilithium or latinum.
I think almost anyone from Creation would be impressed by a box with the ability to conjure food from thin air. That's First Age miracle-working shit, right there.
>>44123123
>Golden Widows
Tell me mkre
>>44125831
Besides that
>>44125928
2e Lunar sub-culture complete with a Knack
Involves eating your solar mates Heart. Doing so gives you +1 essence for a year and a day.
>>44125150
He said it is getting A cut, shithead, learn to read. Plus, he later mentioned in discussion that they probably just make it not work on extended rolls.
>>44125308
Less than 2000 years. ~800 Realm years, ~1000 Shogunate.
I don't have any play ecperience with Ex3 so could you tell me how wrong I am and why?
It seems to me that any combat threat sufficiently challenging to the Dawn will risk wiping the rest of the PCs no contrest.
>>44126755
Yes, but not overly so.
But Solars are not supposed to be "challenged" anyway. They are the best around, so unless they are idiot's and take on a whole country or the Mask of Winters and his goons solo, they won't be challenged. Exalted is about what you do and what the consequences are, not whether you succeed.
>>44126755
depends on the Dawn. The Dawn in one of my games has only 5 combat charms, so not really.
On the other hand, if he goes 10-15 charms deep into his supernal then yes.
>>44126046
>Requires successfully devouring one specific Solar out of 150 in all of Creation
>Benefits aren't even permanent
>>44126823
Because they reincarnate, yes, you can just keep doing it. And as their mate it's easy to find them.
>>44126823
can't let those mere non-solars get anything too powerful
>>44118480
Provably not true given the success it's had for virtually everyone else.
>>44120798
No. It's a perfectly valid use of existing fluff to make the game more interesting.
Involving someone who has obvious story hooks means there's less for the ST in figuring out what to have people do.
>>44126755
Not really? A starting Dawn who heavily invested in combat skills, to the point where they have no charms involiving non-combat abilities whatsoever is going to be pretty much an equivalent of any other character who invested only into combat to the point of not having any charms associated with a non-combat ability.
"Dawn" isn't synonymous with fighter. It would be more accurate to say that any oponent chllanaging to the most potent fighter in the group is going to pretty much roflstomp the rest of the team and this is mostly true. Not entirely, but mostly. Still, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
>>44126777
Bullshit. Of course Solars are supposed to be chllanged by virtue of being PCs. Have you ever played a game where your character wasn't challanged at all? It gets boring really quickly.
The consequences you have to face IS a form of challange. One you may not have an easy mechanics way of cheating out of, but from a narrative standpoint, it's still a challange.
>>44126947
Very true, but the anon I was replying to clearly meant challenges to be of the "do I succeed or not" kind, what with trying to get the Dawn to actually break a sweat in combat.
>>44126981
I think that guy has it wrong, really. The point of Exalted isn't "Do I succeed?". It's more of a "Okay, what the fuck happens now?"
The whole point of the game is that situations are meant to escalate. Here's a good example of escalation, in a perfectly ordinary way. I'm assuming a Perfect Circle of Solars, but this works just as well for a lone hero.
YOU are a young Dawn Caste Solar Exalted. For the sake of argument, let's say you're a wandering hero. You're primarily focused on Melee, and you've retrieved your daiklaive and buff jacket from your Solar Tomb. You are, by default, one of the greatest swordsmen in the world.
Fair Folk attack a caravan, and you drive them off. You find that they've taken a merchant-prince's daughter, so you rescue the girl and send her on her way. The girl, awed by her mysterious rescuer, wants to introduce you to her father. You go along with it, and he insists that you stay at his house as an honored guest for the ritual three days before you leave again.
The Fair Folk weren't serious about raiding caravans before. But their noble, who claims to be the Greatest Swordsman In The World, wants to pit himself against this mysterious stranger who glows like the sun. He attacks the village, and he attacks it in full strength. You go toe-to-toe with him and you push his shit in, saving the village. Of course, you had to exert yourself a bit, so now everyone knows you're an Anathema.
Some villagers are immediately transfixed by your golden awesomeness. A few others are faithful followers of the Immaculate Faith. There's already a conflict brewing between the naysayers and the new believers, and someone tries to get a message off the Immaculate Order. It might work. It may not.
Meanwhile, the girl is head-over-heels for you, and her father - recognizing a good deal when he sees it - wants to marry her off to you. At the very least, he's probing into your background to find out what the fuck you are.
(More)
Undead corsair port in a shadowland, sending out ships of ghosts and undead into the surrounding waters that seek protection from sunlight underwater during the day, good idea or not?
>>44127152
Long story short: Solars are proto-romantic and epic heroes. Mysterious background to many, for every problem they solve they cause two more in reaction.
And every time they solve ONE of those problems, two more show up. And now the problem isn't "How do I solve these problems" it's "Which problems do I solve, and which do I allow to get worse."
>>44127152
Some of the villagers are grateful for how you singlehandedly saved the village. A few of them are beginning to pray to *you*, instead of the Elemental Dragons or the local god. The local god is perturbed that someone is cutting into his worship, and decides to investigate. He might even send a word up the chain to whatever higher-up contacts he has, because holy shit, an Anathema? He doesn't want to fuck with you.
Word travels fast. Some villager babbles in the market about a golden hero who saved a village, or the message reaches the Immaculate order. A few monks, not really taking it seriously, come to the village to investigate. When they find out what happened, or they end up scuffling with members of your cult, bloodshed might ensure. What do you do? Do you leap in to save everyone? Do you walk off into the night, and leave them to their fate?
Let's assume you roll heavy. You might have got all the monks. (They're only mortal, after all.) They might not have. But people are dead or severely injured, and the Dragon-Blooded are taking interest in what happened. Even if you got them all, the local temple is wondering why their martial artists up and vanished. If you convinced them to see things your way, it's not like they'll be able to keep the secret for long.
So now the Dragon-blooded are involved. So is the Wyld Hunt. Now you're beginning to raise a sweat - You might have trouble fighting them, alone. But if you run, these people are going to die. Despite your attempts to stamp out the cult, several villagers are openly worshipping you. Others want to fight by your side. Young men who previously daydreamed about someday joining the legions now see new purpose in your romantically nomadic lifestyle. You're beginning to take a few War charms, so you train them.
When the Wyld Hunt finally reaches the village, it's a really serious fight. But they're not expecting such heavy resistance, and you kill most of them.
(More)
>>44127155
Good.
What did the Solar in the first age? So why then been overthrown.
>>44127215
Now you have people chanting your name. It's unlikely that you've killed ALL the Dragon-blooded. At least one or two escape, and they head back to go "Holy shit, there's an Anathema. He kicked the shit out of us like you wouldn't believe. They worship him like a god - This abomination must be stamped out."
But word also reaches some other Solars, who are on the run. They know the village is one of the few places they can find sanctuary. A Zenith Caste shows up, and - as Zenith Castes do - starts to preach the word of the Unconquered Sun. He also tells you that he's in touch with a Twilight who's located an ancient manse close by. It might have some serious shit, like a Warstrider or a cathedral-forge. With this, you could stand up to the Realm.
Also, the merchant's daughter is probably pregnant, now. The Fair Folk attempt another raid - If you've killed the noble, his pals have sworn melodramatic blood oaths of revenge. If you've only driven him off, he wants to be your recurring nemesis.
Then the attack is driven off by howling beastmen (Half wolf, half man) that fall on the hogoblins and rip them apart. They're lead by the most beautiful woman you've ever seen, and her first words to you are: "Husband. At last, you've been reborn. For the longest time, I dreamt of you."
And shit just goes on from there.
You know, I reckon you could straight up pressgang Kizaru into Exalted. By that I mean turn his whole 'Turn into Light' Schtick into an MA, maybe with some other stuff stuck into it.
>>44127344
Seems kind of pointless. Also, he's a bit too flamboyant to fit in properly. Everyone says that Exalted is really anime, but it's a different kind of anime.
>>44127353
fairy nuff. I guess there are some things that just don't fit.
>>44127344
I have no idea who that is, nor do I care, but you can adapt a LOT of fantasy magics to Exalted given a few modifications to fit the system and the thematics of the setting.
As a character, though, that's different. Firstly, depends on what kind of group you have and what kind of campaign are you running. Secondly, Exalted is for legends, epics and adventure and intrigue (your Berserks, AGOTs, Tolkiens, Oddyseys), not animoo waifu shenanigans and it's ilk. If both fit, go for it.
>>44127353
Ah well, which iteration of Kamen Rider would fit, Showa or Heisei?
>>44127399
Now, I don't think Kamen Rider would work that well. But you could do a transformation sequence simply by having superheavy armor committed to Elsewhere, then summoned when you Stunt for a transformation sequence.
>>44127399
Heisei. Show is too Cyborg-y.
Does anyone have some pictures for cool locations? Doing some worldbuilding.
>>44127424
Not a bad idea. I like it.
>>44127461
In Dreams of the First Age, the Hierophant keeps a Noble Warstrider committed to Elsewhere in case he needs to suit up at a moment's notice. I've always thought that the creaky old man would either do the G Gundam pose, or scream "BIG H! SHOWTIME!" before the transformation sequence kicked in.
>>44126981
I see you didn;t get the gist of my comment. Take my point yo it's natural conclusion. Since we know Solars DO face challanges, what's wrong with challangeing them on whether they actually succeed or not? Isn't overcoming challanges fun? Isn't double challange then double fun?
'Sides, Solars are supposed to be impressive. How can they be impressive at all if they cannot not succeed? And again, they clearly can fail, sincee they can fail to mop up the consequences of their actions. You're putting an imaginary wall there, saying that some challanges are ok, while others aren't, and you'll need to be more specific. What challanges are ok and what aren't? Why those?
>>44127444
Fairy nuff. I think the best route to go down would be Den-O if you want the 'Armor from Elsewhere' type thing, mostly because the its only really one suit of armor that rearranges depending on the form he's in at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD86s4yRRUk
(I apologize for the abysmal quality.)
>>44127518
meant to reply to >>44127447
>>44127491
Coolio.
>>44127521
Oh obviously you make them roll dice and actually prove their supremacy every time, just don't ever honestly expect them to be close to failing and actually uncertain of the outcome. It might happen, rarely, but it's the exception not the rule and the anon with the original question (>>44126755) shouldn't tailor "encounters" to the party as if it were D&D. Rather, he should create a world for the Solars to tailor their goals to. That's the important part, I think, it allows for challeges of all calibers to exist somewhere, theoretically, but if the party is taking over some backwater kingdom in the south, they won't be dealing with a 3CD and an army of demons just because that's what the GM thinks they should be able to handle, but if they go up against the Realm, they should expect to get rekt by 10 000 DBs, innumerable legionnaires and summoned 1CDs.
>>44120368
Sol. Being a good thing overall.
The guy is so self-conflicting and burned out he can't do shit. And in E3 he smites everyone who dares invoking his name. Yes, he's the most virtuous thing to exist but that only makes him more conflicted and his addiction to the heavenly Xbox doesn't help any of that.
>>44120868
I sincerely want that story in more detail
>>44127666
Addiction to the heavenly xbox is a 2e-ism. Not canon to 3e, at least not yet. He's still turned his back to Creation, but the reasoning's different.
>>44127637
>Oh obviously you make them roll dice and actually prove their supremacy every time, just don't ever honestly expect them to be close to failing and actually uncertain of the outcome.
Then why doesn't this principle apply to delaing with the falllout of whatever they acomplished with that fake challange? And even is the point of rolling if you can't fail, this only makes the game tedious. You've never actually run a game have you?
>>44127774
I am running one right now, but you are misunderstanding my post. The point is, Solars will win, the GM is not supposed to make the situation challenging for challenges own sake.
>>44127805
Yeah, don't be that guy who created a mortal with 13 Defense.
>>44127754
Okay, you're right, but the other points stand. Not to say Sol can't be a bro at times, but the requirements are pretty hard to meet and the whole smiting thing does a pretty good job making him even less relatable.
>>44120768
>a concentration-camp commander
>her stats are all based around having sex
What the Christ.
>>44125150
>>44126333
You anons forgot they've lied before and will again.
>>44127715
Well, we had discovered Island Five, and were doing our best to get as far away as possible. While running from the battleships that had been sent after us, my Eclipse began to realize that something about the region they were fleeing through was familiar. After a brief chat, we decided to go with my hunch and steer into deeper waters.
The first sign we had that something was up were the beastmen that began to circle us. After very brief negotiations, where we agreed to go with them and they agreed not to attack our ship, we ended up meeting their Great Father.
Their Great Father was a goddamn titanic killer whale. (We're talking REALLY BIG, several times larger than the ship.) While this was obviously an ancient, extremely powerful Lunar, my character was the one who went:
> "...Boy? Is that *you*?"
It turns out that they had a whole underwater city that once used to be a gigantic floating command platform. The beastmen had been living in it, and Leviathan was worshipped as their god. Seriously, I don't understand why Lunars always get the bright idea of spawning an entire race of beastmen. There has to be a more efficient way of getting loyal retainers than fucking them into existence.
Imagine this: A titanic underwater city. The Circle being heralded through one of the docking bays. And huge killer whale swimming outside, with an eye as large as one of the viewports, and the populace chanting prayers when it swims closer.
So the conversations are like:
> "Was this your ship?"
> "No. It was my wife's."
And a voice like a god coming over the speakers, going:
> ARKADI. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
> "Far too long. You've changed."
> AS HAVE YOU, ADMIRAL. BUT I AM MORE THAN I WAS, AND YOU ARE LESS.
> “Boy, goddammit, come down here and be a *man* again. Just for a while. I want to talk
face-to-face. Please."
> THEN I AM WITH YOU, ADMIRAL. FOR OLD TIME'S SAKE.
(Continued)
>>44128212
So we move to the bridge, and it's equal parts ancient and modern, but mostly just a mess. You have antique First Age machinery that has been hacked to pieces but lovingly repaired, water damage everywhere, and a huge command throne with an equally huge trident driven into it.
And you have the crew. They're mostly badly mutated beastmen dressed in vague approximations of First Age Deliberative Navy uniforms (priest robes), and they're mumbling and chanting and shaking rattles over all the damaged machinery. The one standout is a startlingly young man who is still wearing his ancient moonsilver armor, that has shifted to displaying his naval cage and rank badges.
So, my PC asks:
> "I request permission to come aboard, Sir. To visit an old friend."
Leviathan salutes back, and answers:
> "Permission granted. Welcome aboard, old friend."
And then - to the burbling cheers of the crew - both hug, briefly. It became really awkward when I asked about what had happened to my wife, and found out about his death camps. But just for that moment, everything was going fine.
>Q: Can you play an Exalted Beastfolk without spending all your Bonus Points on mutations?
>A: Beastfolk should generally only need a few points of Merits to account for their awesome fangs / wings / chitinous armor / horrifying projectile corkscrew dicks / whatever. (Holden)
So I guess this was just a lie.
>>44127805
What about making it challanging for the sake of it being fun?
>>44128354
No?
>Claws 1, Fur 1
Vast majority of beastfolk right there.
Wings are expensive, but they're wings; I'd rather flight matter at least a little and be costed as such.
>>44128354
Most of the mutations really, really suck. As we all know, the only one worth a damn is Enlightened Essence.
>>44128394
>Enlightened Essence
You funny guy.
>>44128413
Name a good one, then.
>>44128391
Having venomous fangs can burn through half your merit points, easy.
The merits (other than story merits like Backing or Army) are, in general, retardedly pricey for their effects. Wow. I can now bite people with fangs and poison them, and it only cost four merit points. That was definitely worth not having... *checks book* a thousand elite warriors at my command.
>>44128426
Wings. Being able to completely rape the rush/disengage anti-kiting setup for anyone who isn't bringing Essence 2+ Athletics Charms to the table is absolutely worth 5 points. (And it'll be E3+ before they aren't paying 1wp for every single attack.)
>>44128441
I won't disagree that a lot of the "personal" merits are out of sync with the rest of the pricing, but it's a balancing act between having mutations be a worthwhile expenditure, over-incentivizing every Solar to play a fucked up air-human/djala hybrid, and/or making the things they do bestow utterly worthless (flight and poison in 2E).
>>44128441
To be fair, Four Dots of Command to get an army intrinsically requires other dots to back it up; you need a way to actually be paying for and supplying this army. You're probably going to want to buy Followers to represent the supply chain and the other innumerous noncombatants required to keep an army fresh-faced and in shape. Resources to show how you're arming and feeding them, and paying them at all. If they're not being paid, are they your worshippers, sworn to follow you into battle? Better buy the Cult merit then. Moving your army around is going to be a hassle. Just walking them onto someones territory is easily considered an act of war. You think you can be STEALTHY with a thousand men? You think you aren't going to have to do constant roleplay of communicating with your various captains, lieutenants, etc? What territory do you own? At Char-Gen, taking Command 4 or 5, hell, even Command 3 is a thing that you have now decided to warp your entire character and your every action around. Because even in Exalted, leading an actual bonafide army is a big deal.
Compare that to just having venomous spit you can use whenever.
>>44128508
That's not venomous spit I can use whenever. Venomous spit I can use whenever is more expensive. That's "fangs that I can use to bite people and poison them Stamina / 2 times per day."
I'm a goddamn Solar. I can feed people on my words, I can turn peasants into the best soldiers in a world in five weeks, I can tell lies from truth, I can slay a dozen men in a single blow (but fuck me if you expect me to write left-handed). Poisonous fangs are worth, like, one merit point, if that.
>>44128579
Oh shit like Ambidextrous is definitely "why even is this a merit" but venomous fangs are still a brand new trick up your sleeve that your native charmset really doesn't do.
Shit like venomous fangs/spit costing 2-4 merit dots is fine. Shit like Giant being 4 is idiotic, because we can directly compare it to fucking Ox-Body. As in, 4 Merit Points being equivalent to 12 EXP for one health level and a penalty to disguise, while I could get 3 health levels at just stamina 3 for 8/10 EXP.
Is the penalty for the off-hand mentioned ANYWHERE other than the Ambidextrous merit? If you just snipped it out, would anyone care?
The argument that the natural merits are priced as being cap-breaking dice where breaking the cap is a ~big thing and effect~ is sound, but the actual implementation is still fucking overcosted. And since it's all directed towards combat, you have a situation where "being able to run fast" is more expensive than knowing three entire languages that will work for roughly 3/4ths of the entire fucking landmass of Creation.
>>44128384
Go play a game that about competition, like most board and card games.
TTRPGs are usually allow the PCs to act out their characters in a setting, where Exalted leans towards more realistic high magic fantasy. And in-setting, Solars are top dogs. You shouldn't make 13 Defense mortals like that one dumbass, mortals can't do that, and neither should you pull super powerful gods just to challenge your PCs if they've done nothing to earn that gods attention. On the other hand feel free to make them lose against said super powerful beings (like Mask of Winters) if they actually do go up against one.
But then, I'm biased towards making a setting that makes sense before any other storytelling methods.
>>44128579
>I'm a goddamn Solar.
>>44128635
merits are not priced exclusively for Solars. If they were better, we'd have people ask why any mortal in creation bothers using a weapon and armor when he could safe the dots on resources and get firebreath and stone-skin or something retarded like that.
Of course a Solar charm is better at making you tough than a merit normal humans can have, that's kind of the point of Solar charms.
>>44128824
The core book is for playing a goddamn Solar. If the merits need to be repriced for mortals, make a mortal book and do it there.
>>44128847
are you this butthurt playing a furry is suboptimal for a godking?
>>44128886
Yes.
>>44128886
>>44128907
Well, I want to play a scaly without throwing half my points in the garbage bin, but yes.
>>44128966
mutants are less human and so less likely to get exalted, flavor-win right there.
>>44128997
3e Exaltations are not mindless machinery.
>>44129015
Sol's a bit of a racist, flavour-win right there
>>44128354
>horrifying projectile corkscrew dicks
And now I know what the Tell for my duck totem Lunar will be.
>>44128847
The core book supports mortal chargen.
>>44129304
Barely.
>>44129343
But it does, and no other book will expand upon that, except with more merits and spells.
>>44129405
You know why no other book will expand on that? Because Exalted isn't really about playing a mortal. Thus the name.
>>44129424
True. So >>44128847 will never get his repriced mortal merits and other mortal specific stuff, was my point.
>>44129569
Then why aren't they pricing the mutation merits for Exalted, the people who the game is supposed to be about!!!
(Beyond which, being able to poison someone 2/day honestly isn't worth 4 merit points even for a mortal)
>>44128824
>If they were better, we'd have people ask why any mortal in creation bothers using a weapon and armor when he could safe the dots on resources and get firebreath and stone-skin or something retarded like that.
Which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever because Merit dots aren't a thing in-universe. Things should be priced based on their value for PCs, without considering NPCs who will have whatever the ST judges appropriate anyways.
>>44129604
I'd assume they were also considering the rarity of such mutations in the setting, though I could be wrong.
>>44129664
Aren't there entire races of people with wings or fangs or whatever other crap?
>>44129615
>Things should be priced based on their value for PCs, without considering NPCs who will have whatever the ST judges appropriate anyways.
they shouldn't be priced just on how useful they are, but also on how rare they want them to be in play. If they make them too cheap, then every circle will be mutants, but they obviously want mutations to be rare even among PCs, so they make them expensive enough that the only reason to take them is for flavour/rping, and not for their mechanical impact.
This means that taking a mutation is a statement 'I want to play a wyld mutant/engineered race' instead of just 'it is mechanically optimal, btw here's a little backstory to try and justify it'
>>44129681
There were in 2e, but they were still very rare in the Second Age. 3e is a different matter.
Really, they are setting the prices the same for everyone based on their effect and rarity both, and I like that.
>>44122469
A Lunar mate won't want to be dragged into your schemes. A Lunar mate will want you to be dragged into hers.
Love is not absolute obedience. Without even going full crazy yandere shit (and there is certainly no shortage of crazy clingy girls in real life, and what they can do is absolutely terrifying), an elder Lunar mate will probably want you to:
- Obey her unconditionally, because she knows what's best.
- Help her with whatever things she's doing, and you better believe you can't say no.
- Don't cheat, or be prepared for it, and know she has a bigger dick than you (quite literally, with the appropriate knacks).
I love it when one of my players decides to take an Elder lune mate. This is too many problems waiting to happen.
>>44129906
>This means that taking a mutation is a statement 'I want to play a wyld mutant/engineered race' instead of just 'it is mechanically optimal, btw here's a little backstory to try and justify it'
Maybe. Maybe not. But it definitely should NOT require you to gimp your character so horribly.
>>44128275
Awww.
>>44130159
you're not gimped because you spent a few merit points.
I often have merit points left-over to spend on shit like Boundless Endurance.
Were the exact stats of the Contagion ever written up anywhere?
How Final Fantasy is it?
>>44130382
There was a watered down version in Abyssals. It's in a sidebar among all the medicine charms.
>>44130406
As final fantasy as you want it to be
>>44130464
We talking more 6 or 10 here? From what i've read, most like 10.
>>44130494
Setting like 10, but thematics more fitting for 6 or 7, if that makes sense.
>>44130516
Genova (Izzat the right name?) would make a good Behemoth, wouldn't it? Or, failing that, Sin.
>>44130516
It does, 6 with the big fuckoff empire. 10 with the old tech, 7 maybe not so much.
>>44130551
Jenova
Sin is EASILY what a primordial would be like, complete with Fetich death.
>>44130559
7 was actually one of the chief original conceptual inspirations for Exalted, it's why Daiklaves and Hearthstones are a thing. The concept of SOLDIER and mako infusion fits pretty well with the concept of Exaltion. Also one of the major themes of 7 is dealing with death and moving on (though FF6 ALSO has that.) That ties well with the theme of no take backs in Exalted.
>>44130737
So wait, if Sin is the World Jouten, then what are its Demons?
>>44130766
The Sinspawn.
>>44130766
The Aeons are 2nd and 3rd circle demons of it and the Sinspawn are 1st circle demons.
Sin has a bizarre life cycle though, so 1 to 1 translations don't work.
>>44130793
Huh, makes sense.
>>44130823
>Sin has a bizarre life cycle though, so 1 to 1 translations don't work.
Fair point.
How does Breeding work in 3e?
There's no mention of it in Antoganists section.
>>44130918
>How does Breeding work in 3e?
Check the book.
>There's no mention of it in Antoganists section.
Then we know exactly as much as you, don't we.
>>44130918
They mentioned it'll probably just be a social merit, like it is in Vampire, you either have Good Breeding and the concomitant increase in social standing, or you don't.
We'll see when DBs comes out I guess.
>>44130086
It's like most relationships with your elders. They are older and more experienced and have very set outlooks on the world. Mostly that expierence and outlook mix into ¨I know best nd I know you know¨ and ¨I've been through most of your problems already or at least similar, so you better listen to me¨. While mostly the're not wrong their solutions work for THEM. Their plans consider things THEY think are important and try, mostly because they don't know better, to help you by imposing their solutions on you and as with all things interpersonal you have to find out what will work for you and what won't, though the superiority-complex-inducing nature of exaltation and elder exalts WILL make that a VERY tedious afair. Except for when your mate would be old silverclaw in terms of age. These people are so old they don't give a fuck and usually push you to find your own way, because they now as fact, those that fight on, will always find a way.
That said. I'd love to play a game with a teasing, bossy and overly pushy lunar mate that only means best but ends up dragging you into her shit even though you have to solve your own problems. It has a very natural note to it, because we know that from our life, parents, grandparents and co always want to push you into a direction even though you have your own plans and as matter of fact we butt heads often over that, but end up making peace. That amplified by Exaltation and bond-mechanics ends up creating easy drama.
Tl;dr easy, relatable drama if not blown too out of proportion. Me like.
>>44130942
>it'll probably just be a social merit
Boo, I want to be a breeding 5 lost egg pawn in a Sidereal's S3 plan
>>44131198
Pft.
Wouldn't even work.
Snake's a Wood elemental while Raiden's a Water elemental
>>44131243
>Snake
>Exalted
Bitch please.
Snakes and Bosses are "merely" Heroic Mortals.
Raiden is a Sidereal group's shitty attempt at trying to have a DB pawn version of them, only to fall short.
>>44131350
>Snakes and Bosses are "merely" Heroic Mortals.
What are you talking about? Solid Snake is basically the original Night Caste.
>>44131444
>implying he needs a crutch like that to do what he does
Lls
>>44131350
>Big Boss
>Heroic Mortal
>Defeats an Exigent of BEES(Pain), an Abyssal(Fear), a Chosen of Endings(End), a Fire-Aspect DB(Fury), a Ghost(Sorrow), an Exigent of LIGHTNING(Volgin), a Warstrider(Shagohad), and a Solar(Boss) single-handedly.
>Heroic Mortal
Arguably, Ocelot is a Heroic Mortal, at this point. Probably a Solar in the other games, though.
>>44131764
Volgin's an Air Aspect maybe. They do lightning too.
>>44131764
>Probably a Solar in the other games, though.
Actually, arguably a Liminal, since he steals Liquid's arm.
Though, again, the Liquid Ocelot act could just be Solar-level Socialize
Raiden's a Heroic Mortal that becomes an Alchemical, in MGS4/Rising, though.
>>44131764
I'd rather just make all of them mortals with mutations except Boss, who just has high Abilities and Attributes (like some actual 5's, which are supposed to be legendary ratings, peak human).
>>44131893
Yeah, I thought about saying he was an Air-Aspect, but given how much of a badass he is, he seems more like a Celestial Exigent of lightning/electricity to me.
>>44131764
Big Boss was defeated by a guy using a can of deoderant and a zippo.
I buy him as a Heroic mortal.
>>44131944
They're supposed to be legendary rating, but every elite troop has a 5 in either his stat or his skill, given that they got 10 dice.
>>44131764
Yes and?
He's a badass heroic mortal
>>44132040
Except that that pool is used for both withering and decisive, so it's just as likely that they're 4/4s with a +2 accuracy rating (or 4/4s with a +4 that got averaged down to +2 to limit its effect on decisives).
>>44132080
Oh, sorry, was misremembering. 10 dice is for Join Battle. Slashing sword is a +2 accuracy, they've got 11 dice for attacks.
>>44131957
Nonsense. An elder Air Aspect can seriously kick some awesome ass. Not everything should be pushed up in the powerlevel.
>>44132180
That one I'll give you as weird. Still theoretically justifiable (4/4 + spec + the JB enhancing merit).
But I honestly wouldn't mind if mortals were hardcapped at 4/4, and getting around that required exceptional stand-out effort.
>>44132232
Normal mortals yes, heroic ones no.
>>44122214
The great curse become worst as Solars age and gain in essence. The Limit Break is an abstraction of how it is nagging the mind of newly created Solars - already incredibly insidious, a constant mental pain that will never go away.
The Great Curse doesn't cause you to Limit Break. The mental crushing weight of the Great Curse cause you to go slowly insane, and one of the only way to refresh yourself is to vent all your insanity and your frustration in one go. Limit Breaks are not something bad, they are something good: the only things preventing Solars grom going batshit insane.
And as you age, they simply aren't enough anymore.
So was oblivion spawned with the neverborns deaths or was it around before even that?
>>44132682
Equal and opposite etc.
Creating Creation also created oblivion to eventually destroy it
>>44132682
It is a mystery.
If it existed before, it wasn't in a place or state that anybody could interact with it. Or if it WAS, nobody mentioned interacting with it in any big way.
I'm personally inclined to go with the "it was in a non-interactive state, because nothing had come as close to oblivion as the Neverborn until the Neverborn happened" theory, like how you can have an entire swarm of bees living in your wall and not notice until you try to put a new window in.
>>44132232
I'd say that part of the weirdness is that the template is for Elite Troops/ Champion /Elite Bodyguard. To me, at least, it seems like elite troops and a champion should be two different things, with a singular champion being significantly more skilled than even the best troops you can get in sufficient numbers to have a real military unit. The stats given make sense for the bodyguard of a king or the best sword for hire in the region, but seem way too good for every member of a crack military unit to have.
Is there any reason I shouldn't let my players spend solar xp on their Supernal skill/charms?
>>44133211
Bp/XP divide compensation
>>44114773
Do you guys think there would be a good way to do a Sidereal style class, in another system? That is, could you home brew one, without it being unbalanced as fuck? Something like a solar is relatively easy, as they're just "sword good", so to balance it, you just tone down how good they sword, to fit the system, but Sidereals have really weird powers, that seem like they'd be hard to implement without completely neutering.
>>44133211
They'd get all their Supernal charms extremely quickly and it defeats the entire point of Solar Xp in that players only ever got charms in 2e and 1e.
>>44133211
Solar EXP is to make sure the PCs buy shit that isn't new charms, because new charms will always be the best and shiniest option for any character. Letting them buy supernal charms with it means that not only can they just buy more charms, they get to buy charms in the one tree they have no essence limits on, and the tree they're strongest with; IE, they're enormously, enormously incentivized to dump every single point of EXP they ever get into their supernal
>>44133569
Which would be 9 charms gained every 8 sessions.
But more likely 1 every session.
>>44132682
If i had to guess id say shortly after their death. Before the war everything was constantly renewed, mortals reincarnate, spirits reform after a time when killed. But with the death of the primordials they were to large to move on, and so something new was invented, the idea of a permanent lasting death.
>>44133223
>>44133335
>>44133390
>>44133569
Ok. Thank you all.
So, exg, Necromancy. Is there any good homebrew floating around for 3e versions of spells?
So, the Sidereal Exalted decided that the only way to save Creation was to either kill or imprison all of the Solar Exalted, but then they escaped their jade prison.
So, are the Solars super pissed at the Sidereal?
And aren't the Solars the strongest Exalted?
So couldn't they just tell the Sidereal to fuck off and slaughter them all?
>>44134234
No one know's who did it. There's no proof, that the Sidereals were involved. Technically, there's no proof on Creation that the Sids even exist.
>>44134234
>So, are the Solars super pissed at the Sidereal?
You are not your past incarnation. Your Solar doesn't even know what a Sidereal or a Usurpation or a First Age IS, and even if he did, he would quickly forget due to Arcane Fate, as >>44134258 mentions.
>>44134234
>So, the Sidereal Exalted decided that the only way to save Creation was to either kill or imprison all of the Solar Exalted, but then they escaped their jade prison.
They had three options.
1. Everything is fucked - guaranteed.
2. Everything might be fucked or everything might be fine and the glories of the first age last forever.
3. Everything is shit compared to the first age, but at least everyone and everything isn't dead
They went with door number three.
>So, are the Solars super pissed at the Sidereal?
Those with Eidetic memories of their past lives might be. However those fellas tend to lose their minds upon exaltation due to being unprepared for 1000 years of memories where they were a god king suddenly landing in their brain.
>And aren't the Solars the strongest Exalted?
They're the best at what they do, but no Solar can do everything.
>So couldn't they just tell the Sidereal to fuck off and slaughter them all?
No Solar has yet made it to E6. The Sidereals have several E6-ers plus a thousand year head start on lobbying the other big guns for support.
>>44126333
>Plus, he later mentioned in discussion that they probably just make it not work on extended rolls.
Wow, that sure looks like something you just made up.
>>44134234
>So, are the Solars super pissed at the Sidereal?
They don't know shit about what happened back then. If they find out, some will be pissed, some might kind of see the Sidereals' point, and some won't give a fuck.
>And aren't the Solars the strongest Exalted?
>So couldn't they just tell the Sidereal to fuck off and slaughter them all?
'Strongest' doesn't mean 'invincible'.
>>44134385
believe it or not, I'm not going to dig through my logs for it.
>>44134346
So, aside from the Gold Faction, are the Solars just fucked?
Given that the Bronze Faction Sidereal have control of the Immaculate Order, are they just going to fucking hunt down and kill all the Solar again?
Also, why were those the only three options?
>>44134452
>So, aside from the Gold Faction, are the Solars just fucked?
>Given that the Bronze Faction Sidereal have control of the Immaculate Order, are they just going to fucking hunt down and kill all the Solar again?
They're sure trying, but the Wyld Hunt is far from perfect, and Solars have an ever-shrinking window of opportunity when they're at their most vulnerable. Solars who establish a power base under themselves are significantly costlier to take down.
>Also, why were those the only three options?
Because Exalts, in general, are not a stable arrangement, and Solars are the least stable of them all. Where Exalts are, the world changes, and it continues to change, aggressively, until it reaches a point where nothing can change anymore (because everyone and everywhere is dead) or the world no longer needs heroes (in which case the Exalted will CONTINUE to knock shit around, being a nuisance and a problem), or something similar.
So, I'm going to be playing a Dawn caste soon that's become the ruler of a small kingdom in the Hundred Kingdoms. Tell me if these merits represent that well enough.
>Influence 4
>Command 3
>Manse 3 (capital was built around an ancient fortress)
>Resources 3
Does that seem like what a small kingdom's ruler would have?
Also, while I'm at it, is the Giant merit worth it? I thought about grabbing it just so I can look huge an impressive (and get that extra health level), but it's pretty expensive, and with it and my other merits (including Artifact 3 for my daiklave) I'll only have 5 bonus points for upgrading abilities or attributes. Worth its, or should I drop it?
>>44134426
>logs
Glad to know you're not going to bother keeping up this charade.
>>44134452
>So, aside from the Gold Faction, are the Solars just fucked?
Pretty much. To be a Solar in the canon setting is to be given all the tools you need to fix the world (and the divine right do decide how the world needs to be fixed), told it's your destiny to fix the world, then have the entire world tear you in half if you ever try to fix the world.
>Also, why were those the only three options?
Doing nothing wasn't sustainable.
Telling the mad Solars what your prophecy had shown was a coin toss as to whether they'd hear you and reform or execute you all as heretics and traitors.
The only option that 100% didn't end with Creation being destroyed was murderize all the Solars and hope for the best.
>>44134551
Influence 4 is someone who rules over a major regional power; not exactly a small kingdom.
And Giant is meh; take it if you have the spare points, but otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.
>>44134571
Look, why do you insist on knowing better based on absolutely no evidence at all?
>>44134577
>Pretty much. To be a Solar in the canon setting is to be given all the tools you need to fix the world (and the divine right do decide how the world needs to be fixed), told it's your destiny to fix the world, then have the entire world tear you in half if you ever try to fix the world.
Hmm...
That's really interesting. I like that.
But aren't the Solars also sort of responsible for holding back the Wyld?
So...wouldn't the Sidereals just be saying, "No, we can't let people die, but we can let Creation be slowly consumed back into the chaos from whence it came?"
>>44134614
>Influence 4 is someone who rules over a major regional power; not exactly a small kingdom.
Alright then, what would be more appropriate for a small kingdom then? Influence 3 or 2?
>>44134641
Is that a serious question? You're asking why I don't believe something there's no evidence for?
>>44134657
>But aren't the Solars also sort of responsible for holding back the Wyld?
No, not even close.
>>44134670
Depending on how big and powerful of a kingdom it is, yes.
If it's at a position of strength relative to most of its neighbors, I'd probably say Inf3, and otherwise Inf2.
>>44134505
>They're sure trying, but the Wyld Hunt is far from perfect, and Solars have an ever-shrinking window of opportunity when they're at their most vulnerable. Solars who establish a power base under themselves are significantly costlier to take down.
Besides, it's not like all the Sidereals are on on board with that. They weren't completely united back when the Usurpation happened either, but almost all of the currently living Sidereals were born way after that. They haven't personally experienced the excesses of the First Age Solars and aren't invested in the idea of Solars being this huge threat to everything the way Chejop Kejak is. Even the Bronze Faction Sidereals are mostly in that faction because it has been dominant for the past thousand or two thousand years. Add to that the fact that the world is kind of falling apart in multiple ways, what with the Empress disappearing and Deathlords and Abyssals and what have you, and the reason why Sidereals won't be all that effective in hunting down all the Solars everywhere should be obvious.
>>44134657
>That's really interesting. I like that.
>But aren't the Solars also sort of responsible for holding back the Wyld?
Any Exalt can stop the Wyld consuming the world (unforseen consequences like the Great Contagion and subsequent Balorian Crusade notwithstanding), how else did the Lunars survive so many centuries in exile beyond Creation's borders.
But only the Solars ever shared the Primordial's power to push back against the Wyld and create substance from the nothingness that surrounded the world.
>>44134683
No, I ask why you actively believe the exact opposite for no reason.
Like, is your default assumption that everyone is lying?
>>44134551
I suggest taking followers, otherwise all your advisors and underlings will be loyal to the kingdom/various nobles instead of you. Same with allies and retainers for said nobles and other unspecified important people.
>>44134670
Actually 4 is just right for a city state, according to the book.
>>44134724
But anon, the direct ruler of a small city is given as an example of Influence 4, and that sounds about right for a petty king in the Scavenger Lands. A ruler will obviously be a regional power, as he will almost inevitably be able to influence the affairs of other nations in the area somewhat, through diplomacy, commerce and war.
>>44134729
I don't active 'actively believe the exact opposite', it's just that the default assumption to being told things without evidence is that it isn't true until further notice. I actually checked every page on the ask the devs thread twice in case I missed something and seeing nothing I saw no reason to believe you. Believing every claim I read would be maddening.
>>44134740
>>44134818
Whoops you two have a good point; disregard me I suck cocks.
>>44134740
>I suggest taking followers, otherwise all your advisors and underlings will be loyal to the kingdom/various nobles instead of you.
On the other hand that might be kind of appropriate if he's only risen to power recently, and cool if he's interested in playing through scenarios related to this lack of personally loyal underlings.
>>44134234
>So, the Sidereal Exalted decided that the only way to save Creation was to either kill or imprison all of the Solar Exalted
They imprisoned the Solar Exaltations, not the Solars themselves. They did it by killing the Solars, then magically trapping the Exaltations when they flew free.
>So, are the Solars super pissed at the Sidereal?
Imagine you have amnesia, and you find out someone did something awful to you but you can't remember it anymore. Would you want revenge? Maybe. But you've had what feels like a whole lifetime since then, filled with new memories, friends, and emotions; is it really going to be a high priority for you?
>And aren't the Solars the strongest Exalted?
In their area of specialty, given equal odds, yes. Note that most Sidereals have had substantially longer to accumulate wisdom, allies, and power.
>So couldn't they just tell the Sidereal to fuck off and slaughter them all?
Quite a few player characters try.
>>44128212
>>44128275
That's cool. Thanks for sharing.
>>44134727
>
But only the Solars ever shared the Primordial's power to push back against the Wyld and create substance from the nothingness that surrounded the world.
Oh. Interesting.
So, level with me; are the Solars going to save the world or destroy it?
I mean, I understand the problem of having insane god kings running around everywhere, but the Solars seem pretty useful...
>>44134933
Oops I fucked up the greentext
>>44134933
>So, level with me; are the Solars going to save the world or destroy it?
Yes
>>44134933
>So, level with me; are the Solars going to save the world or destroy it?
That's literally what you play Solars to find out, dawg.
>>44134980
And Sidereals and DBs to prevent. And the Infernals and Abyssals to beat them to the punch (of the destruction). Lunars do either or, Alchemicals just do their own thing to the side.
>>44134288
Your Solar doesn't know what a Siddie is
But unless he/she is from some bumblefuck middlemarch that has no contact with the rest of Creation you almost certainly know what the Usurpation (Or rather the "Great Uprising") and the First Age are. Ones a central belief in the world's largest religion and the other is a historical fact any scholar with a rudimentary knowledge of history can tell you about. And ya'know all the broken wonders and ancient cities
>>44134571
>>44134426
Just admit you're both shitheads for arguing over something like little kids without giving ANY arguments from both sides or citations. Seriously, if you want to win a debate show your damn sources or admit defeat.
>>44135084
You don't need to cite a source to say something isn't true, friend. That's not how logic works. If he shows a source and I still act like a shit then you have a point.
>>44134980
Oh, I know that.
I was just asking for opinions.
The Great Curse reminds me of Dark Souls, and I think Dark Souls is an interesting meditation of the nature of humanity's lure towards continual self-destruction, so part of me thinks that Exalted plays into that what with having the Great Curse and having the Solars slowly go insane, which is essentially Hollowing.
In any case, my players are really enjoying playing something that isn't just D&D adventurers, and I'm enjoying running something that isn't D&D.
>>44135049
Good thing noone really is set in what their peers do. Especially the Solars..
>>44135084
>>44135175
there, happy now.
>Dec 12 00:53:40 <PaCo> So what does hatewheel saying FSSA is getting the slight snip snip
>Dec 12 00:53:51 <PaCo> what does that mean?
>Dec 12 00:54:12 <Holden_EX3> PaCo: we're gonna tweak it so it's not the best tool for long-term projects
>Dec 12 00:54:18 <Holden_EX3> maybe make it inapplicable to extended rolls
>>44134740
>>44134818
>>44134860
Yeah, that's what I thought at first too. Alright then, Influence 4 it is.
As for Followers, I think I'm fine without it. The way I'm planning to integrate with the rest of the circle is I'm planning to invite them to work as my equals, helping me run the kingdom. I think one of them plans to take the followers merit, maybe her people can fill those spots since the kingdom is still in it's fledgling stage.Besides, officials that are loyal to the people and not me could lead to interesting shenanigans later.
>>44135302
It's a shitty source, but it's something. I'll drop it.
>>44135175
Quite the opposite. Post a compilation of threads or comments about the charm systems and ask him to read through it and cite the exact passage. Put the burden of proof on him.
Would Bonewheels be acceptable summons for an Abyssal?
>>44135412
>Not entire skeleton motorbikes
>Not killing six billion demons
>>44135302
Very much so. If you put up the effort to argue, at least put the effort into it to not let it devolve into shit flinging, especially if the means are present to you.
>>44135454
>Skeleton bikers with bonewheel wheels on their bikes wielding sabers and flamewands.
I kinda want that illustrated as a cover if an abyssal everr makes a black metal album
>>44135454
Skelebikes don't really have that same feeling of impending 'I'm gonna get my shit pushed in'. Skelecopters on the other hand...
>mfw I'm seriously considering an skeleton-based armored division.
>>44135512
Seriously just read Kill Six Billion Demons if you haven't already, it's Exalted as fuck. http://killsixbilliondemons.com/
>>44135302
Source has reported unreliably in the past and does not respond to tasking.
>>44136092
Honestly though, who gives a shit? I started this stupid argument and it really doesn't matter. We'll get our hands on a later release and just look it up, until then all that matters is how you're house-ruling it in your game.We got rid of it months ago.
>>44135627
>>44135627
Thanks, just read about it a while ago and it seemed a bit... well not my alley. Though this and a genuine advice from you... I'll look into it.
Would a Hancock style immortality thing be okay?
>two beings immortal
>Fate keeps drawing them together
>the longer they're together the more vulnerable they are until mortality
>>44136929
I guess. It'd be a careful balance between how difficult it is for them to separate and how quickly they become one another's bane.
>>44136929
Ageless style immortality, yes.
>>44136929
Rewatch Hancock.
Will Smith is a Lunar
Charlize Theron is a Solar
Your mind is now blown
>>44136929
You're allowed to be immortal so long as someone can conceivably kill you somehow, so yes.
>>44137064
Yeah, except Will is too awesome to be a lunar.
What do you guys think of the write up Morke did on Perfect Soul today?
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/784452-dev-diary-perfect-soul
Link in the first post, because 4chan doesn't like me linking to social media.
>>44137298
>same
>except she's stronger
>he is the one who is compelled to protect other
He's a textbook Lunar
>>44137298
Eh, depends on what role he's playing. MiB is basically the Bureau of Destiny, y'know.
>>44137064
>>44137396
Yeah, the guy who constantly goes out and does heroism for no reason is the Lunar, while the chick with thousands of years worth of memories who has blended into the background is the Solar. You're a fucking moron.
>>44137410
>MiB is basically the Bureau of Destiny
Now I have to rewatch this shit again...
THANKS!
>>44137390
Eh, it's Morke morking about as usual, presenting things as more profound than they really are.
>>44137655
Still, underneath Morke's pompous style of expression, the actual contents seemed pretty reasonable.
>>44137390
>In other words, righteousness in Exalted is not decided by a moral arbiter, but rather right action is determined by those who are powerful enough to never be gainsaid.
The fundamental cynicism of Exalted as a setting will probably always bother me. Especially when it specifically applies this rule to your PC, as the one who is inevitably going to end up with the power that cannot be gainsaid.
>>44135051
People know about the version the realm and immaculate philosophy tells, but almost no one knows the true story.
>>44137833
they call it the age of sorrows for a reason my guy
>Create character for Lunar campaign.
>Is a female knight from the scavenger lands.
> Character is rejected because all Lunar are barbarians.
>>44138095
your ST a shit
>>44120615
Pictured: Anja Silverclaws from Scroll of Exalts.
>tfw you can instantly recognize a piece of Adam Warren art because of the lips
>>44138095
People from the Scavenger Lands are barbarians, though.
>>44123296
>remove glasses
>shake hair out
>change from overalls to a dress
SUDDENLY APPEARANCE 5
>>44138073
This.
>>44138167
lmao I was literally thinking "that looks a lot like the Empowered slut" when I first looked at that.
>>44138240
>remove glasses
He wants to raise his Appearance, not lower it.
>>44138073
>>44138246
I get enough of this "everything will always get worse" from WoD.
Hell, at least in WoD you and your inevitable abuse of power aren't the REASON everything will always get worse, because you've decided you have carte blanche to do whatever you want because muh Solar might.
>>44128635
What I've thought about instead of Ambidextrous, and instead of figuring the fine details of using two hands at once, is to have just a simple escalating penalty to the number of readied weapons you can have.
-1 for two weapons, -2 for three weapons, -3 for four weapons, etc.
It makes a nice elegantly abstract mechanic and makes "you can ready more weapons without penalty" easy without directly linking it to your number of limbs or whatever.
>>44133335
>Solar
>just "sword good"
Did you even look at Bureaucracy or Socialize or Occult or whatever?
Even in Linguistics, there's stuff like "make a guy's soul fall off".
>>44135571
Rather than skelecopters, skele-AT-ATs. Massive bonestriders made out of the skeletons of multiple yeddim mixed with whalebone reinforcements.
>>44138167
Pictured: Anja Silverclaws from MoEP:Lunars.
Exalted's art direction has and continues to be "take whatever random shit the artist gives you and put it in the book".
>>44138401
>I get enough of this "everything will always get worse" from WoD.
That's a completely different matter from not having any objective moral arbiter, though. You can make things better by standards most people would agree on even without objective morality, and things can inevitably get worse even if good and justice are clearly and objectively defined.
>>44138499
This. You just have to accept at the end of the day, the sole reason you were able to do it is because you were mighty enough to enforce your will. Doesn't make what you did any more or less noble, it just is what it is.
>>44137390
>throws objective morality out the window
>wonders why he just got hit on the head
haw haw
>>44138401
It's not everything will always get worse: you have power, and no accountability.
There have been plenty of people with power and little accountability. Some of them have been great in a positive sense, some great in a terrible sense.
For example: in history, there are only a handful of military commanders who were never defeated in battle. One of them, Jan Zizka, protected a religious minority from foreign invasion. Another was Alexander the Great, who bloodily conquered his way to the Indus and left an ill-conceived empire that immediately shattered upon his death. Both of them, I think, are quite fitting inspirations for a Dawn Caste Solar.
>>44138616
Except the Great Curse ensures that you're inevitably going to end up as the terrible kind, because everyone with all the power and none of the accountability in Creation are afflicted by it.
>>44138680
Just go on a quest to get that pesky debuff removed. It'll all be fine.
>>44138584
Hell, you can even argue for some kind of objective morality without relying on any higher authority. It's just that there won't be any kind of conclusive, provably true answer to questions and arguments about morality. This does not make the Creation any more cynical than the real world. It doesn't prevent people from having moral convictions.
>>44138475
I alwayss thought of the art like a personal interpretation of the written character by the artist not a perfect depiction of what the writer thought it to be.
>>44138716
>Every campaign must inevitably involve curing the Great Curse, otherwise the ending to your game (or at least its epilogue) is inevitably fucked
>>44138853
I really don't understand the need for the Great Curse, either as a mechanic or a thing in universe. In my experience, players will either a) fully embrace being an unaccountable God-King, or b) do all the awful things you'd expect on accident out of sheer incompetence and idiocy.
>>44134288
Yeah, that's actually quite funny. Like, you may have Desus's Exaltation, and you're a nice guy. But the REAL Desus is still around, and probably a Deathlord. So you could actually meet the person you used to be.
It's not really reincarnation. It's more like you share the same memories, to be honest.
>>44138759
No, it really is just that WW and now OP just doesn't give a shit when it comes to editorial control of art quality or consistency.
Pic related is an example from the 3e core. I'm not shitting you, this is actually in the PDF that was released to backers.
>>44135412
Not summons, but they would make good Necrotech machines. But really, there's very little need to bother with most of that stuff. You're a goddamn Abyssal. You're more deadly than any of that shit put together.
It's pretty funny when you go through the 2E book and go "Yeah, I could kill those people with little trouble."
>>44138853
In all fairness - If the Great Curse is NOT cured, you're going to fuck up eventually. If the Great Curse can be cured, the game is won.
It's like Autocthon's illness. If that can be fixed, everything's okay again.
>>44138892
>I really don't understand the need for the Great Curse, either as a mechanic or a thing in universe.
Apparently before it was a thing, people would just play their Solars as straight-up Superman instead of flawed, tragic classical heroes.
So they decided to solve this in the most hamfisted way possible, by declaring that your character inevitably becomes a twisted evil psychotic asshole, but it's totally not their fault! It's the evil bad guys in the setting making your characters act the way we always intended for them to act in the first place!
>>44139089
>If the Great Curse is NOT cured, you're going to fuck up eventually. If the Great Curse can be cured, the game is won.
And that's exactly what makes it boring. If the Great Curse isn't cured, you lose. If it is cured, you win. Which means if you want to win, you're stuck telling the same basic story as every other group who doesn't want to see their characters inevitably turn into crazy assholes.
>>44139096
>>44139127
What would work better is if instead of a blatant Great Curse thing, it was a mechanic that basically bribed you to give in.
Something where you could take a point of Limit to get a temporary power boost or something, that kind of thing.
Then get rid of the EVERYBODY EVENTUALLY GIVES IN limitation and have it just be something driven by human nature that on average most Celestial Exalts turn out to be assholes eventually.
>>44128275
>It became really awkward when I asked about what had happened to my wife, and found out about his death camps.
I always hate it when that happens.
>>44137390
I like the bit about the Khidara dynasty all being dancers. Good bit of flavor, ties into the mechanics somewhat, provides some nuance and helps make the world feel more alive.
I don't really like the way he portrays her decision to lock up anti-dynastic people, though. Like, it's totally understandable for her to be a Quisling who doesn't really want to but sees it as necessary for her to cooperate with the Realm she hates because she has no way to do anything else. It feels too much like "Oh, she secretly loved all the rebels she tossed in prison, though! That's why she did so!"
Also, I question not brutally murdering Jerof. Come the fuck on. "Hey, this guy destroyed countless holy temples, killed the king, fucked up everything, uhh, guess we'll just run him out of town." No fucking way is a riotous mob in a fit of religious frenzy going to do that instead of just tearing him apart and hanging him by his own entrails.
>>44139159
I really don't think the Great Curse is 100% inevitable, or rather that the Great Curse guarantees that the Exalted lose full stop given enough time.
Consider that the Sidereals' Prophecy of Gold which had them approach the Solars, telling them they were turning into raging dickbags (in a far more diplomatic way) and actually got them to calm the fuck down.
Now, the chances of that actually going according to plan were so low that staging a massive secret coup against all the Solars to murder then trap them for all eternity was seen as the far likelier outcome, but it was not deemed "impossible" merely too risky to attempt.
So while the Great Curse will ultimately cause a large amount of damage I believe being proactive enough along with having some people you trust to keep you in check could allow you to manage it without necessarily curing it.
>>44138737
>This does not make the Creation any more cynical than the real world
It makes it, in fact, EXACTLY as cynical as the real world--no more, no less.
>>44139294
This. There's no objective moral authority (though lots of people claim to represent it) but for the most part people act decently to each other because we're a cooperative species.
The people who claim Exalted is grimdark because there's no objective good or evil has me scratching my head because the real world is hardly grimdark.
Now, a setting ruled by empowered demigods with no checks or balances on their authority, that's /kinda/ grim.
>>44139204
Yeah, that was pretty funny, too. We were basically reminiscing about old times, and talking about what happened during the Usurpation. My character mentioned that he stole a waveskimmer, and fled his ship...Only to be gibbed when they fired the main guns at him. He mentioned that he didn't blame Leviathan for going to his wife's aid, because that's what he'd have done in his place. My PC also wasn't too upset that she'd died. Everyone died during the Usurpation, it's not biggie.
He was understandably more distressed when he found out that Leviathan had been torturing the descendants of those traitors for god damn centuries. That shit just ain't right.
This was about the time when we realized Leviathan was crazy.
>>44129761
No, but, for real though. What the fuck? Is there something I'm missing, or did one of the freelancers have a Nazi fetish they had to get out onto the page?
>>44139432
>Now, a setting ruled by empowered demigods with no checks or balances on their authority, that's /kinda/ grim.
As the guy who raised the original objection in this thread, it's not that there is no objective moral authority, it's that it's explicitly laid out that being the strongest makes YOU the ultimate moral authority, with carte blanche to do whatever you want. The "no checks and balances thing you brought up". The stated intent of the game is that the only counter to a Solar is a stronger Solar, and him being stronger just means HE has the right to be the ultimate moral authority with no checks or balances.
The game straight-up coming out and saying that this is how things are supposed to work is incredibly cynical, especially after you take into account the "no, your Solar can't fix it because doing so is just imposing HIS will as the ultimate authority" and "The Great Curse will make sure he turns into a fucking asshole tyrant eventually anyway".
>>44139518
Nothing much like that. Marama was written up in 1E as a Shogunate official who instituted a genocide of the Solar created races. 2E "expanded" on her backstory by making her an abused concubine who was mindfucked enough that she was incapable of hating the Solars, so she shifted those feelings on to the artificial races they created.
>>44139529
Well, yeah. That's how it works in the real world, too. Everything is kept in place by the threat of force.
>>44139529
>it's not that there is no objective moral authority, it's that it's explicitly laid out that being the strongest makes YOU the ultimate moral authority, with carte blanche to do whatever you want
Just like the real world.
>>44139578
Are you sure the 2E writer wasn't jerking off to this idea?
>>44139578
>who was mindfucked enough that she was incapable of hating the Solars, so she shifted those feelings on to the artificial races they created.
That makes her sound a lot like Lilith over again.
>>44139578
Technically, she wasn't abused so much as neglected. Her employer decided 3DPD and began to sex up a robot instead. Seriously, the best way to solve her issues would be for a PC Solar to take her as a mistress or a wife.
>>44139599
You never can tell, because DotFA wasn't all that great.
>>44139616
If you have mindfuck charms there's no reason not to fuck a real girl, though, since you can just mindfuck her into being more to your liking.
>>44139616
The book does at least say that she was mentally incapable of hating her old masters, so those feelings went somewhere else...
>>44139616
Either way she wanted to resent the Solars, found out she couldn't, and became a serial killer to cope.
>>44137390
>Morke
>I also have some notes about a well-known Lunar who moves between Jiara and several neighboring territories, Batua Many-Suitors, a prodigious drunk and rakehell who is legendary for her ill luck in love and her hot temper and battle prowess, and her ability to turn into an enormous hippo in hoplite's armor before going on a rampage.
Not everyone has to be lesbians you fucking weirdos.
>>44139648
Yes, exactly! I mean, if you're one of the most attractive and powerful men and in the world, a girl like that is way better than a robot. You could even solve her personality problems with just one really, really good fuck.
Technically, it might just be one extended Social Combat.
>>44138228
...No?
>>44139766
Who says she isn't hitting on dudes?
>>44139875
Well, let's see. We've got a Solar queen of Jiara. And, apparently on a related note, as one of her supporting cast, we've got a Lunar who moves in between Jiara and neighboring territories. I wonder what the connection could be?
>>44139800
To the Realm, everyone not of the Realm is a Barbarian. That's what people miss about Lunars in 3E. They're not Conans, they're the incensed Third Worlders who have had it with the 1st World's shit.
>>44138612
It went around the world and in the other window?
>>44139915
She's a Lunar who is nearby?
Lunar Bond is broken in 3E, yo.
>>44139978
It is still a thing, it's just not some overpowering magic leash anymore.
>Neither Lunar camp seeks to turn back the clock, nor wishes to return to defining themselves as the shadows cast by the Chosen of the sun. Something stirs in the Lunars’ hearts, but none can yet say what it is or what it means.
>>44139766
In Creation, the default assumption is pan, actually.
If you can think of a way to fuck it, naturally you want to fuck it.
If you can't think of a way to fuck it, think harder.
>>44140049
There's a fine line between "this is a setting where homosexual behavior is accepted and normal across a broad swath of the population" and "this is a setting where everyone is gay, even though you can't have a population survive more than a generation like that." Exalted constantly sprints past the former and slams full bore into the latter.
>>44140049
Plus the Lunar can be a dude whenever s/he likes, so it all becomes even more meaningless.
>>44140123
Only if they first murder and drink the blood of a dude.
>>44134452
>Given that the Bronze Faction Sidereal have control of the Immaculate Order, are they just going to fucking hunt down and kill all the Solar again?
The Bronze Faction don't hunt Solars for the hell of it, they hunt Solars because for the longest time they were one of the greatest threats to the safety of Creation.
Currently, Creation has several very substantial, very immediate threats. The Yozi are frenzied, spreading sedition and corruption in a (hopefully) impossible attempt to escape their prison. The Neverborn's new servants have all the power of the old world Solars, and want to destroy Creation entirely. The world is literally fraying at the edges as the forces of the Wyld encroach. And the Dragonblood Legions, the force the Sidereals appointed to safeguard creation, are leaderless and fragmented for the first time in 800 years.
The newbie Solars are no longer the greatest threat. They're a potential threat, certainly, but the Bronze Faction Sidereals have bigger shit to deal with.
>>44140138
Actually, Twin-Faced Hero doesn't require that. And even if it did, that's not much of a speed bump.
>>44140386
>Twin-Faced Hero
Is that in 3e?
>>44140283
This is a very good point. As things stand now, Solars are nowhere near the biggest fish that need frying, not even for the Bronze Faction.
Hell, that very fact is a possible opportunity for reconciliation between the two factions. "Getting revenge for the Usurpation" is going to be pretty far down most Solars' priority lists as well.
>>44140460
No idea, but I'd be surprised if it weren't,
>>44134933
>So, level with me; are the Solars going to save the world or destroy it?
That's the million dollar question.
>>44140460
Perhaps when Lunars actually come out in the second half of the century. But then, if you want to only talk about things that are published in 3e, it's going to be a long time before we can talk about most splats.
>>44140117
Well I think it's more of people are up to fuck most anyone/anything but will eventually settle down to have a family because at least for Dragonbloods that dynasty shit is important yo.
But just because you fucked the opposite sex once to have kids doesn't mean you prefer that over the other.
>>44140283
>The newbie Solars are no longer the greatest threat
While you've got something of a point, one must not understate the fact that the en-masse return of the Solars is A Big God Damn Deal (tm).
>>44140654
Do STDs not exist in Creation?
>>44140681
Yes, but not in the sense of OH SHIT DROP EVERYTHING THE REAL PROBLEM IS BACK
>>44139586
>>44139594
Booya.
And whether this realization bothers your character or not? Well, that's just part of his or her story and character development.
>>44140688
STDs absolutely exist in Creation. I remember reading a thing where White Wolf were patting themselves on the back for using real-world diseases in Exalted instead of things like "Mummy Rot" like D&D used.
Hell, I think syphilis might have been one of the sample diseases.
>>44140717
Then people who are vulnerable to STDs will not be "fucking anyone and anything" because then they would die.
>>44140743
I'm not saying everyone is going on a fucking spree but just everyone's tastes could be all over the place while still settling down and having a family.
Much more practical view of marriage and shit, combining resources and popping out kids while if either party wants to, gets the little something they prefer on the side.
Less, everyone is 100% gay and more there really isn't anyone 100% straight.
>>44140138
Or have sex with a dude with apropriate knack. Wait, I feel like we've gone full circle now.
>>44140460
>Is that in 3e?
It's one of the more useful knacks in 2E (and I'm not even talking about ERP) and probably the best known.
On top of that, 3E has already emphasizes home-brewing your own charms. Even if Twin-Faced Hero wasn't explicitly written in 3E, it would still exist for all intents and purposes.
>>44140681
>While you've got something of a point, one must not understate the fact that the en-masse return of the Solars is A Big God Damn Deal (tm).
Absolutely, but I'm mostly trying to explain the Sidereal viewpoint on the issue.
The Bronze Faction think the fact that the Solars are returning at the same exact time that all this other shit is going down is extremely, suspiciously, fucking coincidental. At the same time, they don't know how the Solar reemergence factor into the bigger picture.
