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Alex's building UWR Twin right. No Helix. Only Two Resto. He should just not run any wall of omens.
>>43828686
Actually the basics are more for ghost quarter, the ability to fetch any color is really nice to have with four colors.
Got the image up the right way now.
>>43828787
ffs
>>43828787
It's still upside down. Are you autistic?
>>43829698
It was upside down when uploaded from my phone, I flipped it on the computer and it still came out like this. Fuck it, I give up.
Before GP:
>UR Twin if you want to combo. Grixis if you want to grind. Temur if you want Tempo. Jeskai if you want to lose.
After GP:
>Yeah I always knew Jeskai was good. Has good sideboard cards and 4 paths.
Kill me.
ANYWAY. Just updated my list. I'm loving it
>>43828787
>>43829865
Anyway. Autistic or not. I don't know if it's necessary to splsh white. You already have terminate and murderous cut. And if you really want Path, you might as well run 4 and no terminate?
>>43830047
I still think that patriot and RUG and below Grixis which is below plain UR. The only "huge" positive for URw to me is the sideboard hate against burn, given that Grixis is also fair against Affinity without the use of sideboarding and RiP isn't really a player in modern.
I run modern Collected Elves. Came second place at FNM losing to burn. I only have a problem with removal. Any anti-removal/red cards I should add to side board?
>>43830261
The thing is a lot of people built UWR with 4 walls and 3-4 Lightning Helix, 4 Restos and 2 Kiki. I think it's much stronger to build it like UR Twin with Path and W sideboard cards. Not saying it's the best twin variation, but I think it's different not that much worse if at all than the other Twins.
Hey /modern/
Is it possible to build a competitive (i.e. deck that won't get stomped to shit) deck that takes advantage of Hellbent? Given dredge and flashback can have the grave act as a second hand (and both are black), I was curious.
>>43830198
I find anymore the three paths gives the opponent too much extra land over the course of the game, especially when used in conjunction with snapcaster. Path is important to have though as it effectively removes wurmcoil. terminate over murderous cut as there is already too much strain on my graveyard from snappy, tasigur and kolaghans command.
Originally I was running three paths but one became izzet charm just for its versatility (the careful study mode is actually pretty great)
What the white is really there for is sideboard cards like wear and tear as well as Eidolon of Rhetoric.
>>43830397
That's an obvious downside to path. But I like to think of it as "lands don't win them the game, the spells they play do". Eh. I know what you mean though.
Play what feels good to you. Though, At least I don't think you will need the basic plains. Ideally you would have Scalding Tarns instead of Flooded Strand. And then just have a Hallowed Fountain which you can fetch for with any of your 8 fetches.
>>43830047
>>43828787
figure that twin players cant upload a photo the right way up.
>>43830556
Hey fuck you buddy
>>43830365
Well as far as the established decks go. 8 Rack and Lantern control likes to have no cards in hand. What is it that you want to play? A Grave yard deck or decks that work when you're hellbent?
>>43830315
Kris pls
Any chance of a part of the twin deck will get banned?
>>43830261
Depends on meta. If a lot of people play living end then RIP in peace is going to be good, and it slows down delve threats like tasibanana and gurmangler
>>43828618
Kek
>>43830945
I actually want to side in RIP against Grixis and GBx even if I have to side out 1-2 Snapcaster. But my brain tells me no.
>>43830315
Pls respond
>>43830315
spellskite helps protect important elves, mass removal pretty much fucks you though unless you have ezuri and a bunch of mana
>>43830764
A deck that works while hellbent. It's a mechanic I find very interesting, putting yourself at a distinct disadvantage but gaining access to powerful undercosted effects you don't typically see in Modern.
>>43830315
This >>43831127
Every deck has a weakness. Affinity and elves get hit hard by board wipes. Don't over extend and maybe keep a company in hand to bounce back after a wipe
>>43831240
Oh, specifically for the hellbent mechanic? I don't know of any decks. You might have to brew. But if you're looking for decks that like to have no cards in hand; there are a bunch of those decks.
>>43831291
Interesting. You mentioned 8rack and Lantern Control, I can give them a look over for ideas. Anything else?
>>43830536
I agree, basic plains will most likely become a sacred foundry, scalding tarn would be great but I'm not super competitive and the price is just too high.
>>43831308
are you pretty new to the format?
8 rack is a discard deck. Basically you and your opponent won't have cards in hand, but you have enchantments in play that deal your opponent damage when they don't have cards in hand. That's how you win.
Lantern control is a control deck. You make it so that your opponents creatures can't attack. In fact, you control what they draw, so they never draw anything that can get them out of your lock. Eventually they concede or they slowly draw their whole library out after 50 turns.
Other than those two, Jund is a top tier deck that kinda don't mind playing with their hand empty, but it's not their main goal per se.
>>43831379
btw, Lantern control runs Ensnaring Bridge. That's why you don't want cards in hand. You don't really discard your hand, but the deck is built so that it's very easy to play every card in your hand within a few turns.
I'm thinking of trading my Standard stuff for Modern after having some luck with my investments (Jace, Ugin, etc I got on the cheap).
I was looking at Merfolk. Would this be a good deck for someone new to the format?
>>43831431
Well, depends. What kind of deck do you like to play? Y
>>43831443
I've recently started liking control more, but I heard Modern isn't much of a control format.
I just don't want to play something that's completely mindless.
>>43831490
Play skred. It's awesome.
I brewed up a list of my own and have been dominating
>>43831414
Does lantern run infernal tutor? Seems like itd be great for finding silver bullet cards
>>43831490
Do you care about Tier?
>>43831908
No it doesn't run Infernal Tutor. Most of the cards are artifacts. so they run Ancient Stirings. Also, once you have no cards in hand anyway, the lock is already set up. So you won't need to find anything else.
>>43831944
Not really. I've been looking at mostly tier 2 stuff recently.
>>43831859
Never heard of it. I'll look it up.
>>43832094
>Never heard of it. I'll look it up
It might not be best for new players. Requires extensive meta knowledge and honestly, I think most lists out there are bad. I can post mine when I get home of you're interested in mono re
red control. It's budget as well
>>43832094
There aren't any traditional true control decks. As in 1 for 1 for 10 turns, then sphinx rev for 15.
If you wanna play control decks:
Tier 1 or 2:
-Tron: Very brainless. Strongest late game ever. Game plan is to not die earlier game with board wipes and OStone.
-UR Twin: Not brainless. 1 for 1 and 2 for 1 all game. Then win slowly with a 1 or 2 power creature or combo for the win.
-Lantern Control: Pretty brainless. your opponents creatures can't attack. and you control what they draw. They die when they naturally draw their whole library... slowly....
-Grixis Control: Not brainless. Grind it out with 2 for 1. Black's got some really good cards.
-UW Control: Not brainless. Sort of a new deck. 1 for 1 all game then drops a Sun Titan later to win.
>>43832234
>skred
It isn't THAT hard to play. I think it's actually a really easy to play control deck compared to the other ones.
>>43832094
You can always try u-Tron, it's a pretty traditional control deck with big mana finishers
>>43832324
Lantern Controls win is not that slow. The deck is packed with mill rocks. Once they have a bunch of them on the field they will just mill their opponent out.
Here is Zac Elsik playing the deck in the finals of GP Oklahoma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lau6uQ4_R0s
>>43832416
You're right. It's still pretty slow compared to most other decks.
>>43832439
That is true. But as a Lantern player myself, the slowest plays come from my opponent. My turn takes maybe 5-10 seconds. IF I'm drawing anything other than a land. Most turns it's just draw and pass.
Though the kill is slow, it is basically absolute so long as you make smart mill plays.
>>43832513
>>43832513
Oh you play lantern? You own the deck? When did you start playing it?
>>43832234
I'd like to see your list.
>>43830942
Yes.
>>43831069
What colours are you running.you lil fuckwit
>>43832542
I picked it up in June this year. Yes I own the deck. If you have any questions about it, let me know.
>>43830942
Why? Just because it won a GP?
>>43832669
So you picked it up when it way cheaper. Good for you.
>>43832720
I suppose I did. Though there is alwayschinamanif your money is tight.
>>43832356
It depends
No modern deck is THAT hard to play. you really need to pick your cards and when to play is huge. I didn't mean to imply it was superior in terms of thought but if you fuck up you're done. I haven't played much traditional control so that could be it too
It's just with skred I find I earn my wins more than more linear strategies
>>43832990
Don't know any good sites to buy from Chinaman. And they always sell them in sets of stables. Like fuck, I don't want your fake Volcanic Islands. I just want the goyfs.
>>43833079
That reminds me, where can you buy from chinamen? And how are their Goyfs? Any good?
>>43833079
You can buy singletons. They come out to about $4 a card. Which is better than what you'd pay for a real one.
>>43832694
Didn't you know? Every GP winning deck gets banned. That's why lantern control got banned out of existance after OKC
>>43831015
Yes that is the joke. Congratulations, you pass your basic meme recognition test. You are now officially a first level member.
>>43833134
I have never bought fakes from china.
>>43833143
You got the hook ups? They look any good?
>>43833220
When held in hand you can tell. When looked at extremely closely, you can tell. Double sleeved, you can't tell shit.
You should be able to find him using just google .
>>43833262
If you have SM's Scalding Tarns, Misty Rainforests, or Goyfs, would you mind uploading some pics?
>>43833522
I have the older fakes. The new ones are so much better. Give me a couple minutes to grab pictures.
>>43833522
So I can't seem to find the tarns or rainforests.
But I did find the goyf.
I have 4 pictures, see if you can tell which one is the fake in all four.
>>43833947
Last one was unsleeved.
This one is in a single KMC perfect fit penny sleeve.
>>43833960
Double sleeved, KMC perfect fit penny sleeve and a KMC HyperMatte over that.
>>43833984
Double sleeved in a binder page.If you can pick it out in this one I will be extremely impressed.
Having a bit of an issue with LGS
First of all, he's charging 140$+tax for BFZ box(usd) but he has singles at SCG prices, so that's fine.
What's pissing me off is they do BOTH ID matching AND rare drafting at the end of FNM based on your placements. It's only a small group of about 10-20 on average, a good prerelease will be 50-60 people.
For the longest time, the shop owner just let us open our own packs.
Then recently when I opened a 25$ mythic after getting fuck all and stuck with the 50 cents rare every time, said I should have simply dropped.
Never gotten anything worthwhile out of opening his boxes either in the year I've been going. Got 2 fetch lands, ugin, lili, and a gideon. Then again only bought 3 boxes so far, so ain't that bad.
Next 2 times we are there for magic-related events store owner starts to say we have to give him the packs before event starts and he will play with them so nobody knows who's pack is who's.
I question him why is it not possible to just drop before the event starts and he says it's the buy-in so you can't do that, even though you can leave high-level drafts with all of your stuff.
The question is do I just say fuck this guy and his shop? Are his rules bullshit?
The game seems far too expensive and full of beta fags for my liking anyways.
For instance, one of the kids who is 15 has no money, and then goes and buys an intro pack 10 minutes before FNM starts, and then proceeds to bitch that his deck isn't working the way he wants it to, also has an even more autistic friend than himself, but thankfully he rarely shows up.
>>43834006
Third one in from the left is the one that doesn't belong
>>43834019
Sounds like a shitty shop. I'd find a different place to play.
>>43834057
Is that your final answer?
>>43832619
Sideboard is more entirely meta dependent.
I run cards such as ratchet bomb, earthquake, shatterstorm and defense grid. Boil is great.
It isn't tier 1 but it is powerful and I find it fun to play against all kinds of deck.Except Storm. It's just hard to interact with here.
>>43833984
>>43833984
Damn. That's pretty good in double sleeve. Where did you find singles like that? I don't wanna just buy from some random vendors on ebay and get fucked.
>>43834006
I say Goyf number 4, but Goyf 1 has a glare so I'm not 100% sure
>>43833984
>>43833984
I think the one on the left is fake. The middle and right are real.
>>43834105
How consistent is this deck? Is it fun to play? Does it require lots of thinking?
>>43834081
I think it's far right
>>43834066
yeah, but its something to do on friday nights in a shit hole city.
Bought a commander deck and only going to buy the singles I need off him and occasional espresso as my way of silent protest.
They say true relationships show themselves when money is no longer involved, wouldn't mind testing that theory out..
I know it's not theft if I leave with my stuff, and that he can ban me from his shop, but I could just as easily dump my collection to a larger store.
>>43834057
Correct.
>>43834119
Correct.Sorry bout glare. Fuckin hard to take a picture of a binder without glare.
>>43834135
Correct.
>>43834166
Correct.
>>43834108topjasonchen
So, I may have been a bit tricky here. But every single goyf in those pictures is a fake. Every single one.
>>43834202
Oh that's good, I guess I would need a real goyf stacked with your fakes to tell the difference
Is it acceptable to use MSE to print off full-art basic lands with Bob Ross paintings as the art to use as your landbase?
>>43834155
I find it fun to play. It has different ways to play depending on what deck you're up against.
The deck can require some thought. It's nearly braindead against aggro. Kill the creatures and drop your own with a Koth.
Control matchups and Jund/grindy type decks are the most fun. Playing around counters, knowing what to toss with looting, when to relic or get that extra Demigod a turn later.
Twin is easy.
It's surprisingly consistent. You have so much burn that you can deal with creatures making Exarch, Tasigur and Goyf easy targets for skred or blocking Reckoner.
Blood moon kills control. Just don't get greedy with it.
I think Shrine is a little too cute, but it can do a lot of damage as well so I keep it.
>>43834222
Like I said, double sleeved you can't tell shit.
>>43834250
Got any Zendikar fetchlands? I need to get those sometime soon.
>>43834269
I do somewhere. Can't find them right now.
>>43834202
Damn. Even though I got it right, I don't think I would ever notice it IRL?
>>43834105
Look pretty fun. I love koth so much and looks pretty cheap. I might have to build it.
>>43834202
I know they can pass the bend, feel and rip test, but its not exact.
How long before they start to get the holographic rare symbol correct i wonder?
It's only a matter of time before someone develops the way to make a perfect magic card to where it looks and feels like, and passes all tests in one and then the market gets flooded and everything drops to pennies because nobody can tell the difference.
My build so far
2 Gurmag Angler
1 Jace, Vyrn's Prodigy
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Deprive
1 Dispel
1 Mystical Teachings
2 Putrefy
3 Remand
1 Shadow of Doubt
2 Spell Snare
1 Sultai Charm
3 Thought Scour
1 Damnation
3 Gitaxian Probe
3 Serum Visions
1 Breeding pool
2 Creeping Tar Pit
3 Darkslick Shores
1 Hinterland Harbor
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Overgrown Tomb
4 Polluted Delta
1 Watery Grave
1 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
Sideboard is
1 Dispel
2 Thoughtseize
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Spellskite
1 Infinite Obliteration
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Leyline of Anticipation
1 Leyline of the Void
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Night of Soul's Betrayal
1 Consume the Meek
2 Far // Away
>>43834313
It's got blood moon it's not cheap
>>43834302
They were all fakes love. You can pretty easily tell by how they feel though. At least the older ones. The older ones felt extremely glossy. Like MM2 glossy. The newest set does not have that glossy feel anymore. I would suggest purchasing a cheap jewelers loupe if you are really concerned.
>>43834316
Probably not too long. I'd give it a few years max.
Though I do not think they will be reduced to pennies unless WotC does something. The whole reason people are even counterfeiting is because of the insane prices. If those prices drop so low, why bother counterfeiting? Eventually a middle ground will be reached.
>>43834202
I can't find him. Is he on aliexpress?
>>43834404
Skype love.
>>43834294
Are they any good? What about Liliana?
>>43834389
For modern, it is cheap.
Blood moon is the only pricey part.
>>43834420
Why are you calling me "love"?
Skype order? Holy shit. Is it actually the FBI?
>>43834420
Cool. What are his prices and "deck" choices?
>>43834422
Liliana looks good. From what i remember the fetches are good as well.
>>43834436Love, that's his skype, love. You can ask him to link you to his pages, love.
>>43834445
Is pic related what you want?I don't know if that's a current list. Just ask him honestly.
>>43834401
If they get it perfect? then yes it could drop the market significantly.
All they need is the right formula, and the right amount of time to print enough rares.
They'd have to keep it quiet and print like 25k of each rare and then sell them all for dirt cheap, that's all it would take to topple the market.
>>43834389
>>43834426
I already have them. Although I think I sold one ...
>>43834505
Picture was exactly what I was looking for. What's up with the random Special Set and Mixed Set? Those lists make no sense.
How much does each set cost?
>>43832324
>rev for 15
>>43834582
I think the price is about $50 per set. And singles are around $3.75 each I believe.
I don't think chinaboy actually plays magic. So his knowledge of the game may be reflected in those lists.
>>43832324
>There aren't any traditional true control decks
Bitch please.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-07-15-rug-loam-control/
>>43834670
Alright. Thanks a lot man. Last question: how long does it take to ship?
>>43834505
How do I know he'll hold up his end of the bargain after I pay him?
>>43834800
Depends where you live. I live on the west coastglorious oregonUSA. Took about 2 weeks for them to get to me.
>>43834802
Well, you actually buy through a retailer website. So if he doesn't, you get your money back. He can link you to it all.
Enough of fake china shit talk. How does every one feel about the winning deck of Pittsburgh?
>>43834836
It's just fucking twin.
Who cares?
>>43834836
It was Twin, what the fuck kind of answer do you want?
>>43834858
Bans are coming.
>>43834873
>>43834858
B-but it was white
>>43834892
I'm not surprised it was twin although jeskia twin is surprising. I thought jeskia twin was the worse version of twin.
>>43834105
This looks pretty rad. Thanks I'll try it out on mtgo
>>43832094
Control isnt good in modern
These are the decks which are generally good
Tron - combo deck. Braindead, assemble 3 lands that tap for 7 mana, play big dudes or boardwipes
Abzan - midrange deck. Plays heaps of removal, value creatures/spells (lingering souls, tarmogoyf)
Jund - midrange deck. Plays way too much discard and removal, beaters (tarmogoyf, dark confidant). Basically aims to tempo you down then double Bolt you.
Twin - combo deck. Aims to put Kiki-Jiki/Splinter Twin on Deceiver Exarch/Pestermite. Different variants run different plans, however they are all fairly grindy decks.
Delver - aggro/tempo deck. Runs the most undercosted bullshit ever. Controls what you do and hits you with flyers. Can swarm you. Certain variants play from their graveyard
Afffinity - aggro deck. artifacts, free creatures. Vomits its hand on turn 1 and kills you. Dies to anything that hates on it
>>43834836
>hey goys, stop talking about actually being able to play modern without dropping 3 grand on goyfs, let's talk about another fucking Twin deck winning another fucking tournament
>>43834968
>Delver at 2% of top 8 spots
>Burn at 9%
>Delver gets a mention
>Burn does not
>>43834922
That guy's build was more like UR Twin splash white. Not full on UWR. It's actually really smart.
>>43834999
I think I might try it out.
>>43834979
But goyim, just buy a fresh new pack of Modern Masters 2 to win a $200 bill.
>4 Scalding Tarn
>4 Snapcaster Mage
Once you have these, you can build so many Modern decks on the cheap it's unreal.
>>43835075
>Get the comet storm every time
>>43835106
It's pretty great. Although those jaces are a pain.
>>43835179
Thankfully they're overrated and you don't need them.
>>43835179
Lol they are not even good.
I believe they are what you would call a meme card.
>>43835169
I got 3 boxes of MM2.I didn't pull a single comet. Every single box was profit.
>>43835203
I'm pretty excited to see the ban list update. I'm hoping for some mad unbans.
>>43835203
>>43835218
I'm surprised to see it just explode in popularity. I don't think the card justifies the price, but what can you do. I think Jace is really good in the grixis control deck.
>>43835239
I didnt really open any because i didnt want to open comet storm
but i must have won some because i opened a mox opal
>>43835266
Nothing will be banned or unbanned. Wizards wants Modern to die a stagnant death so they can introduce post-Modern a year or two from now which contains cards from M15 onwards. Why else did you think they changed the border on cards? Their design direction has radically changed from 8th Ed to now, so they want to get those silly old powerful cards out of the way so we can turn some rhinos sideways.
I saw that g/r version of scapeshift and it looked pretty interesting. Is it worth building over the rug version?
>>43835451
if you like boring decks, sure
but its still a pretty shit deck
>>43835843
What kind of matchups do you bring in Pia and Keranos for?
>>43835843
>no baby jace
Why not
>>43836117
I might drop the MD Shadow of Doubt for a PNK. The card spews a ton of value out for 4cmc. 4 power between 3 bodies is great, especially when 2 of them have evasion. PNK also acts as a Rise and Kolaghan's Command target and the Thopters can block an Etched Champion.
I shouldn't have to explain Keranos, but he's extremely good in the grindy or control matchups and is extremely difficult to remove once stuck to the battlefield.
>>43836168
$250+ for a playset is currently why not.
I may spoil myself for Christmas, wait for a drastic drop, or pick them up after they rotate out of standard.
Why don't Modern Gifts decks run Griselbrand?
Is it just out of the hope your opponent autoscoops to Elesh Norn or Iona?
>>43828618
Bans -
Summer Bloom
Kologhans Command, for the sake of meta variance
Unban -
Preordain (improves control decks, slightly improves all Izzet shell decks)
>>43836754
I, too, want Twin to be 70% of the field
>>43836480
Ive pondered that too. Probably because grislebrand's draw 7 isn't that useful in modern.
Where were you when Jund was kill?
>>43836480
What is it that you want to draw off of Griselbrand?
I think it's more worth it to just try and reanimate something that wins on the spot.
>>43832324
Where's scapeshift?
"when this creature attacks, destroy target creature defending play controls, then put a +1+1 counter on grimgrin."
so if the defending player does not control creatures does grimgrin not get a +1+1?
>>43837575
Just look it up on gatherer.
If the targeted creature is an illegal target by the time Grimgrin's last ability resolves, the entire ability is countered and none of its effects will occur. You won't put a +1/+1 counter on Grimgrin.
If the defending player controls no creatures when Grimgrin attacks, the last ability will be removed from the stack and have no effect.
>>43837645
yeah i looked it up after posting it.
sucks. just lost a game because of that
So UB Faeries got top 16: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=10980&d=262515
This totally means that it's a viable tier 2 deckr-right guys?
>>43836754
>increase meta variance
>actually just make twin 50% of the meta
what are your opinions on Magic Duels?
I enjoy it but it feels pretty dead and still has tonnes of issues
Also the fact that they don't bring full sets in irks me
does anyone know why they exclude some cards?
>>43835239
I opened a foil comet storm.
>>43830047
I'm going to my LGS and playing this today. Should I side board in RIP against BGx or Grixis? But then I would have to board out some snapcasters?
Does MTGg like Treefolk?
>>43837028
As a Jundfag, the deck isn't completely kill. The only troublesome matchups are Tron, Scapeshift and Amulet Bloom. I sometimes lose to decks with gargatuan creature masses (Naya Zoo that keeps drawing Nacatls, Goyfs, Smiters, Knights, Voices and Companies non-stop is bullshit hard to stop) but other than that the deck has lots of game. I cut Bob to have a better aggro matchup and it has been pretty successful. I do miss running more than 2 Thoughtseize, however. Definetely would help against my poor matchups.
How do I get into Modern
>>43838883
Proxy some decks with friends. Find what you like best. Once you do, buy the cards for it.
Cockatrice is also a fine alternative
>>43836754
>Summer Bloom
Nigger just fucking axe the Amulet and stop beating around the bush.
>Kolaghan's Command
All you're doing is putting a dent in a wall of value. Jund wouldn't really care if it lost that card since the next best option is likely almost as good.
>Preordain
Unban THAT thing? Fuck off. Sure it technically improves control, but it would make Twin unbearably consistent.
>>43839820
Killing a whole deck will make lots of people sad. Pod was a pretty devastating ban compared to shit like Seething Song, where the deck becomed Tier 3 instead of nothing at all.
Seriously just get rid of 8ED and 9ED, introduce Eldrazi-flavored Tronlands with the new mana symbol in OGW and be done with it. Much easier to reprint these than the Urza-flavored Tronlands.
>>43838737
>>43838257
>>43837645
GTFO
This isn't MTGg
>>43840053
I'd rather my deck went out in a blaze of glory with one giant ban than became what Storm has turned into.
>>43840053
>Seriously just get rid of 8ED and 9ED, introduce Eldrazi-flavored Tronlands with the new mana symbol in OGW and be done with it.
>Seriously just get rid of 8ED and 9ED
Holy shit, kill yourself.
>>43840088
Not that guy but I agree with axing 8th and 9th edition from modern, it gets rid of so much bullshit
>>43840120
It also gets rid of alot of the power of the format.
>>43840120
What would that bullshit be?
>>43840138
Nigga what are you talking about?
>>43840148
Tron lands, summer bloom, choke and blood moon to name a few
>>43840173
Lol go play Standard you shitter.
Getting rid of
>Blood Moon
>Tron Lands
>Bloom
>Choke
>Boil
But hey, now that I think about it, why not just tap rhinos and delve tasigurs for the win
>>43840199
>LEL LE FANNY MEME RHINO JOEL XD
Don't you ever get tired of shitposting?
>>43840253
Just going to ignore the rest of the post?
Sure you aren't the one shitposting in all caps green text?
>>43840299
Amulet of vigor is almost certainly getting the ban hammer before the next modern pro tour anyway. Getting rid of tron is hardly "taking all the power out of modern" like you so dramatically exaggerated. Blood moon is a terribly designed card because it doesn't really change anything in modern deck construction due to its existence, it just sometimes accidentally wins you the game when you cast it. I've seen just as many players lose to their own blood moon as win with it. Choke is just a powerful, yet insanely narrow hate card, you basically only bring it in vs twin decks and if you're playing green aren't you already playing other answers?
I'm going to a "Chaos" sealed event this weekend.
The packs are:
1x BFZ
1x Origins
1x Khans
3x Choose any combination of the following:
Modern Masters 2015, Innistrad, Kamigawa, Mirrodin, Return to Ravnica, Conspiracy
What should I pick? I started playing after Theros, so I'm not really familiar with any of these sets limited wise. My first instinct is to just take 3x MM15 due to the value, but I have no real clue.
>>43840299
>N-nuh uh! Y-you're the one who's s-s-shitposting!
Classic response
>>43840366
>MM15
>Value
Pick one and only one
>>43840394
Like I said, I have no idea!
>>43834105
I've never seen this before, is it even a Modern deck? Looks promising but what the hell
>>43836754
>Unban -
>Preordain (improves control decks, slightly improves all Izzet shell decks)
As a Twin player... no. Fuck right off. Deck is fine as-is.
UNBAN: Bloodbraid Elf
BAN: Lightning Bolt
>>43840512
Cascade is a terrible mechanic
>>43840512
BBE is STILL busted. BBE into Kommand or Liliana or Choke is game over in some matchups. Try playing against BBE Jund and see if you want it unbanned.
>>43840657
All those plays seem fine to me. I really, really really want something to shake up the format for a few months. I'd also love to see jund hit $2500 or more for non-foils.
>shake up the format for a few months
That's a weird way of spelling "make jund tier0 and over 50% of the meta for ever and ever".
>>43834019
Are the drafts sanctioned? If they are, report him to wizards for rareredrafting
>Unban
Ancestral Vision
Chrome Mox
Dread Return
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Punishing Fire
Seething Song
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
>Ban
Nothing
ban tarmogofy already. if you want to shake the game up ban the biggest entry barrier to T1 decks in the whole damned format
>>43840841
>Tree of Tales
For what purpose
>>43840860
But anon. Twin and affinity don't play goyf :^)
>>43840731
>All those plays seem fine to me.
>341ing on a regular basis out of a 4cmc spell seems fine to me.
Okay buddy.
>>43840883
and?
>>43840881
Exactly!
>>43840860
Goyf doesn't need to be banned, it just needs to be reprinted.
>>43840896
Why do you hate value? Show me on the doll where the jund player touched you
>>43840947
around the rectum, it left me pained and angered for years
>>43840942
MaRo has explicitly stated that Wizards have protected the secondary market value of Tarmogoyf in the past, and are likely still doing it to this day.
>Not Redirecting that Abrupt Decay back at their Goyf
Should I get a set/playset of the BFZ lands?
>>43841020
Yes. You'd honestly be a fool not to get a set of battlelands.
>>43841030
So one of each will do?
>>43841035
Get a playset of each of them, then whore on as many blue ones as you can for the impending new format Wizards will announce in a few years.
>>43840883
Except for those times when they have.
>>43840907
Wait are you seriously saying that more decks aren't tier 1 because Tarmogoyf exists? How dumb can you be?
>>43841060
Okay how about the Manlands?
>>43841020
No, they see exactly zero play in modern
>>43841086
Sure, get them too. Good rare lands are always worth whoring on because every deck needs land.
>>43836480
Because Grzzle-dizzle doesn't draw you a hand full of Forces and other things in modern.
Snapcaster Mage and Goyf are banned. Decent white cards are printed that aren't sideboard cards for single matchups. Either Ponder OR Preordain is unbanned.
Modern fixed?
>>43841189
>Either Ponder OR Preordain is unbanned.
Oh look another Twin player.
>>43831240
>>43830536
>>43830365
>>43831291
>>43831308
How funny, I came on here to ask about making a Madness/Hellbent/Flashback deck
Look at this sexy unplayable motherfucker. Sure he dies to bolt, abrupt decay, path, anything bigger than 3 toughness, etc., but doesn't he look fun to play?
>>43840841
>Punishing Fire
>Sword of the Meek
>Chrome Mox
>Seething Song
Yes...
>>43841013
WHO THE FUCK EVEN RUNS THAT
>>43841283
Any deck running blue as more than a splash honestly should run one in their sideboard. Like, it magically 2 for 1s in situations where your opponent isn't expecting it. Even against Burn, you make them Bolt their own Guide. Not only did you essentially counter the Bolt, but you got the Guide off the table at the same time. Value as fuck.
>>43841256
So storm just becomes Tier 0 and nothing can beat it?
>>43841201
>Twin
>Suggesting that Wizards takes away its Snapcasters
If I played Twin I would never suggest such a thing, because Snapcaster is a HUGE source of consistency. Sure a good sorcery-speed cantrip will improve Twin's consistency in finding the combo to a degree, but losing Snapcaster in exchange makes it worse at playing the UR value game outside of the combo.
>>43840988
I know but that doesn't make it any less stupid.
Have they ever said why they were more concerned about protecting the value of people's collections rather than making the game more accessible?
Is it bad etiquette to have a paper list of which cards are pricey/good when drafting? I'm new to the game, have a somewhat bad short term memory, and will be attending my first draft on Saturday. I don't want to pass up a good card, but I also don't want to roll up to a new LGS as "that guy".
>First foil Mythic from a pack in my time playing
>It's an expedition land
I'm happy with this.
>>43841575
It couldn't hurt, but you don't want to force anything while drafting.
>>43841575
It doesn't matter. If you need help remembering what cards you want to keep an eye out for, its nobody's business if you need to write yourself a note.
What's best as a Grove of the Burnwillows replacement in RG Tron: Karplusan Forest, Fungal Reaches, or Temple of Abandon? I don't have Stomping Grounds or Wooded Foothills available to me right now.
>>43842057
Karplusan Forest
Like nigger you don't even consider taplands in Modern when their upside is "scry 1 on ETB". If If my land enters tapped it better be able to beat my opponent to death.
You're at the LGS playing some Magic when this guy casts Angel's Grace and slaps your deck's ass. What do you do? Keep in mind he used his Boseiju.
>>43842628
Respond to his Fling with Angel's Grace.
>>43842628
>this guy casts Angel's Grace
>Keep in mind he used his Boseiju.
???????
>>43842807
You had a Thalia down at the time you FUCKING IDIOT.
>>43842628
Cast another lightning bolt next turn.
>>43842628
Sacrifice an artifact creature to Krak-Clan Ironworks with a Blood Artist out to kill you in response to Angel's Grace.
Felt like taking a picture of my deck. Hopefully I'll complete it today if I'm not to lazy to go to the card shop and get the last Marsh Flats.
>>43843012
>activate an ability in response to Angel's Grace
what
>>43843051
>Bitterblossom
"Give me Bitterblossom for one event and I'll show you why it's banned." - Ari Lax shortly before playing UR Storm at his first large Modern event after the unbanning of Bitterblossom.
>>43843078
Read split second ;^)
>>43843078
I think you need to read up on Split second and Krark-Clan Ironworks friendo.
>>43843051
Don't you think running the full 8 Thoughtseize/Inquisition is a bit much? Most people go the 3-3 route these days, but I guess they can win you games just like that thus 8 is not all that bad if you got the slots. 4 champions in the main also seems like overkill.
Have you tested the Vent? Your manabase seems lax enough to handle it.
>>43843051
60 cards per deck
6 copies of Thoughtseize/Inquisition
1 copy per 10 cards
7 cards per opening hand
Let's call it a 70% chance of having one in your opening hand
66% of games in a match needed to win
70 > 66
Therefore only 6 copies required to hit your opponent on enough turn 1s to be relevant
They're also really fucking bad topdecks so 8 is stupid
>>43843160
>>43843226
OK so 3-3 on ThoughtKozi and two Vents to replace them?
>>43843311
23 lands is just fine, going to 25 is just plain stupid. Try Gideon, another Elspeth/Bitterblossom or an extra curver topper of some kind. Also you are missing the white hideaway land, you can cut basics to run those or to test Vents. To be honest tho, with 4 champions in the main I'm having a hardtime really seeing the vent do real work in your shell.
>>43843311
>Remove
Auriok Champion because it's shit and actuallly does nothing
Thoughtseize + Inquisition + Path, because you want to be playing a proactive beatdown plan, not a reactive one. Do you see Burn running Path or splashing black for Thoughtseize? Do you see Merfolk running counterspells? Nah nigger you don't.
>Add
Sorin Solemn Visitor because that nigger is a stupidly good anthem
Consider adding another colour. Not sure what but I don't see why there'd be a problem. Maybe red for Pyromancer and Bolt. Swapping the Champions for Pyromancers and the Paths for Bolts seems sweet
>>43842628
wait for angel's grace to resolve. when he casts ad nas, cast silence in response. watch him crumble.
I'm guessing there isn't that many black friday deals for magic
>>43843791
channel fireball has a thing. http://store.channelfireball.com/catalog/t/Countdown%20To%20Black%20Friday
What sleeves do you use for your decks?
>>43844537
Normal ones. Sleeves without loli shit
>>43844564
But that's boring.
Rate my shitty build:
MODERN ESPER TOKENS
4 SNAPCASTER MAGE
4 INTANGIBLE VIRTUE
3 MURDEROUS CUT
4 PATH TO EXILE
4 RAISE THE ALARM
3 ZEALOUS PERSECUTION
2 SORIN SOLEMN VISITOR
4 LINGERING SOULS
4 SPECTRAL PROCESSION
4 THOUGHTSEIZE
2 TIMELY REINFORCEMENTS
4 FLOODED STRAND
2 GODLESS SHRINE
2 HALLOWED FOUNTAIN
2 ISLAND
4 POLLUTED DELTA
2 SWAMP
2 VAULT OF THE ARCHANGEL
2 WATERY GRAVE
SIDEBOARD:
2 TORMOD'S CRYPT
3 TORPOR ORB
2 STONY SILENCE
4 DISSENCHANT
2 TECTONIC EDGE
2 HOUR OF RECKONING
>>43845049
so you're splashing blue for literally just snapcaster?
>>43834706
Classic as in those UW Control decks that were run in Theros/Ravnica Standard with 1 Elixir of Immortality and 1 Elspeth as the only wincons.
>>43845049
This is just terrible. Are you just trying to be a special snowflake?
>>43845195
Pretty much.
I figured that since tokens.dec is mostly instants and sorcery, might as well ask Thiago for an extra pump.
>>43844537
KMC black for everything but edh
>>43845289
I don't wanna be a netdecker forever either.
>>43845336
Is it full of zendikar'strapsand khans'morphs?
>>43845353
I'm sorry to disappoint you anon but no.
That shit´s cute thought, right?
>>43845415
Just make sure to put oversleeves on them to keep Jun pure and virginal.
>>43845323
Well not everyone can brew.
>>43845474
They still should try, though.
>>43845465
Those sleeves are so old they aren't pure any more. The cards are double sleeved though.
>>43845510
Ever used them at your FLGS?I already asked the owner and he said it's ok.It helps that his store is for regulars only and with previous cellphone call to let you in. No kids allowed.
>>43845570
Where the fuck do you play? Is that some kind of underground betting magic place? Are all the members italians?
>What the fuck is the matter with you Corleone? This is the third time you forgot that trigger
And then they all pull guns and shoot each other and there's another war on the streets
>>43845608
Kinda underground. The owner literal newspaper stand as his "official" shop that is tended by a coke-head looking guy who gives you a card with your first "big purchase" or if he sees you regularly buying. The card points out to a garage looking place that is about five blocks away and only opens at 17:00. All closed up for you have to call in beforehand and the real owner lets you in.Will post pics next weekend.
To the idiot saying wizards is going to make a new format post modern. You are a fucking retard. Modern already has more support from Wizards then Legacy ever had and the only reason they introduced a new border is for the holo symbol on rares to make sure fakes couldn't be printed
>>43845308
You should throw in a Geist of Saint Traft
>>43834105
2 of my friends own that exact same playmat
What is this faggotry?
Btw, do you think turn 2-3 wins should exist in modern? Why claim your format to be enforced for turn 4 rule, when big portion of decks are starting to get there earlier turns? And if you are going to allow turn 2 kills, why the fuck is there no FoW in this format, because while it's pretty shit in fair matches, it gives some interaction on those not so consisted fast combos.
>But Amulet bloom and grishoalbrand(thefuckthenameiswhocares) etc. are inconsistent so it's ok
Yeah, it's absolute joy to get blown away with a deck, that doesn't play turn 1 thoughtseize. While legacy has it's own bullshit to handle time to time, it's not this retarded.
>>43845482
But you just took fringe cards and jammed them in for esper tokens
Ban: Splinter Twin
Force Twin players to combo off with Kiki Jiki, hes easier to remove and costs more mana
Unban: Seething Song or Rite of Flame
Weaken one UR combo deck while strengthening another
Ban:
nothing, Twin keeps Bloom in check and GBx keeps Twin in check
Unban:
Sword of the Meek, Seething Song, maybe Ancestral Visions
>>43845756
>Unban: Seething Song or Rite of Flame
THIS.
>>43845729
I guess I'll just need to lube my deck a bit more then.
>>43845818
Seriously Wizards give Storm back at least some of its power. It doesn't have the cantrips (Ponder or Preordain) to be as consistent as it was prebannings. I think Song is probably the prime candidate for unbanning but I'd settle for Rite
>>43845653
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/133615190288/whenif-new-constructed-format
>>43845909
Y'all niggas got it wrong.
IT.
IS.
ABOUT.
COMMANDER!
It'll finally be supported by Wizards just as modern.
Is Horribly Awry any good?
>>43845943
Modern only has two counters: Remand and Cryptic Command. Fuck the rest.
>>43845909
>>43845653
>Holograms
>MM2015
>Painlands for enemy colors
>New allied duals
>new mana symbols coming in OGW
There are far too many signs to keep denying this anymore: WELCOME TO POST-MODERN MAGIC.
>>43845965
And Spell Snare.
>>43845909
Nowhere in this post does it imply any of the following. That they're going to get rid of modern, that they're going to make a post modern format, that the format is going to be anything "new". It will probably just be more support for an already existing format. Why would they even bother with a post modern format when it would literally just be extended standard because itd be only back to m15 so it would take years for it to get an even decent card pool.
>>43845999
>New lands
>a fucking symbol to prevent fake cards
>hurr durr muh New FORmat!
>>43845999
>posts umaru
>expects to be taken seriously
>>43845999
>anime image
>It's a shitpost
Why am I not surprised?
>>43846054
>posting Sakurako for a serious rebbutal.
Cute.
>>43846080
>>43846054
>anime shitposters
>expecting to be taken seriously
>>43846067
Do you know about the original purpose of 4chan, newfag?
>>43846024
Calm down. The post just states that some time in the future there will be a new constructed format. You don't need to get so worked up about that.
>>43845932
It better be duel commander or they can fuck right off.
>>43846150
If and only if they allow Sol Ring in it.
It'll the closest thing to Legacy.
In fact, the new legend rule allows for a smooth duel commander environment.
>>43846150
You're missing the point of commander if you want duel.
>>43846205
Sol Ring is stupid. It's just instant advantage for the player that happens to have it in their opening hand. It decides the outcomes of way too many games
>>43846237
Isn't Commander just 100-card singleton Legacy with the only constant being the legendary creature you can keep casting?
>>43846313
Pretty much.
>>43846095
>because 4chan has had an anime board since the beginning of the sites creation anime is always relevant even on boards where it's not
Is your brain damaged from too watching too many gook cartoons? You're probably also gay because 95% of anime watchers are.
>>43843470
>Cut Thoughtsieze, IoK, and Path
>Tokens is a fast beatdown deck
>Not a midrange deck that aims to make spot removal ineffective.
shiggy
Auriok Champion is good in the right meta, and is definitely a better SB card than Burrenton Forge tender unless you expect to see Gr Tron.
Only thing you got right is Sorin, Solemn Visitor. He is definitely the best walker for a tokens deck. I would run 3 or even 4. You can also run 2 or 3 Lilianas if you have them.
Wb tokens is better than Dega or Junk. Spectral Procession is one of the best cards in the deck, splashing another color ruins it's efficiency.
>>43846313
That's the way I always thought of it.
Despite all the myriad reasons I hated the format, that's the one reason I thought Tiny Leaders was kind of fun: because it felt even more like "singleton Legacy".
>>43846429
>Tiny Leaders was kind of fun: because it felt even more like "singleton Legacy".
How can you like a format with the arbitrary rule of not allowing anything beyond 3CMC?
>>43834105
What the fuck am I looking at here?
Is this a meme deck like rev for 15
>>43846472
Skred Red's been a thing for years
>>43846535
In Modern? I thought it was just a standard thing
>>43841234
I always forget this was an invitational card.
Guess it's cause Bob was printed in the same block.
>>43846568
It's a decent deck. Id place it at tier 2.
>>43846568
It relies on snow lands and Skred which haven't been standard legal since Coldsnap
I'm going to a "Chaos" sealed event this weekend and I'm a bit lost at what to pick.
The packs are:
1x BFZ
1x Origins
1x Khans
3x Choose any combination of the following:
Modern Masters 2015, Innistrad, Kamigawa, Mirrodin, Return to Ravnica, Conspiracy
What should I pick? I started playing after Theros, so I'm not really familiar with any of these sets limited wise. My first instinct is to just take 3x MM15 due to the value, but I have no real clue.
>>43845652
what in actual fuck. Do they smear their cards in coke to sell it like that?
>>43846429
When will we just play 60 card legacy singleton? Might be actually way more interesting than playin legacy. At least it wouldn't be "brainstorm fetching erry day"
>>43846635
modern masters. VALUE. Avoid Kamigawa.
>>43846841
>Avoid Kamigawa
>avoiding one of the best sets in magic
Shitter detected
Let me guess you started with Theros
>>43846904
Kamigawa and Theros are the same level of shit.
>>43846904
kamigawa had some really good cards, but most of it was shit. especailly for a draft environment that isn;'t 100% kamigawa, because of parasitic spirit and arcane bullshit.
>>43846743
I like the idea of that tho. "member's only" kinda deal. Sometimes the only excuse you need for secrecy is to have a little privacy.
>>43847036
what if i am just enjoying a nice lolipop then what smart guy?
>>43846904
Jokes on you I started during odyssey, and I hated Kamigawa with passion from the day I saw it for the first time. Just keep the weeb shit out of my magic.
>>43847264
It's not even weeb. It's actual cool mythology
>>43847264
Kamigawa was the good version of weeb stuff. I fucking despise anime, and hate anyone who avatar fags with anime girls and I loved Kamigawa.
>>43847036
Any time I play against someone with anime sleeves I always beat them somehow. Then I get to smugly say "Maybe you wouldn't have lost if you didn't have autismal sleeves"
>>43847356
This never happened.
>>43846904
See >>43846978
Cards from Kamigawa block in general, aside from a few standouts like Jitte, are overcosted or rely on highly parasitic keywords. Unless you're opening a complete pool of 24 packs, the cards from a Kamigawa pack are probably going to be next to worthless.
>>43846635
Modern Masters and Conspiracy would be my preference. I hated MM2015 as a draft format, but you CAN pull value from it. Conspiracy was a fucking fun set and has power spread across all rarity levels unlike MM2015.
>>43846466
How can you like a format where you can only use Commons, or one copy of any nonbasic card, or where you have to use a certain number of one creature type?
>>43846761
I would like that, but just regular old Singleton isn't a format most people even know exists, let alone have a deck for. It's sad, but the audience for it seems to have taken up EDH.
>>43845965
>>43846019
And Spell Pierce...
And Mana Leak...
>>43846978
Kamigawa draft was great, I guess you don't like fun
>can draft on mtgo right now btw
>>43847036
Being a pedo itself isn't illegal though. Also it would come across as "he knows about this thing I know about so obviously he's a guilty party but I'm totally not". Tell me how that works out.
>>43845965
I run 4 Rune Snags and 4 Negates inRUG Loam
>>43846425
I am working on getting the Sorins, but 4 of them? That was a joke, right? If not tell me what to cut.
Fuck alter reality games has 1 scalding tarn for $58.94. Should I do it
hey anyone got some budget upgrade options for my (sorta) budget mono-red burn deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-11-15-mono-red-burn/
>>43849781
Yes. If that site did not look sketchy to me I'd get it.
>>43841201
>wants to remain helpless against screw/flood
>doesn't want cool and skill-testing cards in the format
>muh Twin boogeyman
I've been playing Affinity for awhile now and at first I loved it, but now I'm getting fed up with it.
It doesn't feel like I'm playing a game of magic with my opponent. I sweep game 1 with aggression and then they haul all their sideboard cards and play solitaire after I'm shut out from chalice and even a silence.
Not complaining about that, just overall tired of how Affinity plays.
That being said, is Infect much different? I'm interested in another aggro deck that's not so easily hated out but I'm not partial to elves and my gf plays Fish.
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