is the Ecclesiarchy cool with lesbian Sisters of Battle? or is that considered heresy?
>>43520121
Wouldn't homosexuality fuel Slaanesh?
>>43520121
Who knows? Maybe? Yes? No? Do you seriously think GW would write Sister of Battle fluff now?
>>43520132
That's not how excess works anon.
>>43520121
Sisters don't take vows of chastity as far as i remember. And in an all-female force they might not have other ways to get off some steam. It might differ from order to order but i don't think anyone would really frown upon it as long as it won't interfere with their duties.
>>43520132
No, excess fuels Slaanesh.
But I am trying to figure out the point of this thread, I think OP was either trying to start a fight, or use a thin excuse to post lesbians. But the answer to their question is probably not.
Seeing as the Emperor's Companions are all fabulous homosexual fruit... Then I doubt it.
>>43520121
Pic related.
On a more serious note, Sisters aren't psycho-indoctrinated like Space Marines, nor required to take vows of chastity. It's just that duty to the Emperor comes first and formost. And often to the exclusion of everything else.
The main distinction is to assume that the ecclesiarch has the same view on sex that organized religion has, that sex is a tool used to further the species with sexual pleasure a gift, akin to eating, you eat to continue living and the pleasure of a good meal is another reward you get.
If the ecclesiarch deems sex a mere tool then yes, they would oppose a relationship that cannot bear offspring knowingly, if two sisters of battle lay together their union is nothing more than seeking the sexual pleasure, pleasure with no purpose other than satisfying the two involved which can be considered a selfish act since no one but them reeks the benefits
So yes it would considered either extremely frowned upon or heresy, having a full on romance with another sister of battle, or if the sob follow their parallels (nuns) they remain celibate to dedicate themselves wholly to the emperor
tl;dr Yes
>>43520207
But RL nuns cheated all the time.
Maria-sama is watching
>>43520233
But they took the vows, if their fail that denotes that maybe they couldn't resist the urge, and gain some do others don't cheat it's the will of each.
But considering sob are ultra indoctrinated it would take a lot of convincing to deviate from their path
>>43520233
>>43520233
>>43520121
Only if they do it for the sexings.
Otherwise the emperor really don't give a fuck, love is human nature after all.
Besides, lesbians are really low tier fapbait, I don't think they care.
>>43520121
>is the Ecclesiarchy cool with lesbian Sisters of Battle?
Why would they give a shit?
>>43520121
>>43520325
>love is human nature after all.
Who ever said anything about love? We're discussing lesbians. You can be lesbians without involving love at all, and you can have two women who love each other without them being lesbians.
Or, are you just here to make a propaganda post in hopes of furthering that old lie about sex=love?
>>43520398
>and you can have two women who love each other without them being lesbians.
Not really no. Unles you mean platonic love or some shit, but thats clearly not what he meant.
>>43520398
>Or, are you just here to make a propaganda post in hopes of furthering that old lie about sex=love?
Sexual attraction is a factor in love, you're delusional if you try to convince yourself otherwise.
Lesbian relationship is pure so we are cool with it. As long as they fulfill their duties.
>>43520325
>>43520398
Oop, sorry. misspelt that. I meant to say that it is only allowed if it's not only about the sexings. If you are just in love with someone it's not heretical. Otherwise you are practiscing degeneracy of pleasure and all that.
>>43520444
trips confirm Ecclesiarch made this post
>>43520309
>>43520286
...are you going to make that poor anon dig up a bunch of books about the culture of the pre-reformation Catholic Church?
Let me drop you a hint.
Noun[edit]
nunnery (plural nunneries)
(archaic) a place of residence for nuns; a convent [quotations ▼]
(slang, obsolete) a brothel
or from Urban Dictionary of all places:
>Etymology: Since the Elizabethan era, nun has been slang for a prostitute (ref. William Faulkner, "Requiem for a Nun"), and a nunnery referred to a brothel.
The reputation comes from "loose" girls being sent to nunneries and the fact that in medieval times nunneries and monastaries had varying levels of supervision and discipline enforced, with many basically being places you just sent your most "good-for-nothing" child to try and reform them. You can imagine what kind of atmosphere that bred.
Also, for a fun fact:
>Martin Luther married Katharina von Bora, one of 12 nuns he had helped escape from the Nimbschen Cistercian convent in April 1523, when he arranged for them to be smuggled out in herring barrels.
Oh yes, there has been nun lust for a long time, anons.
>>43520414
>Sexual attraction is a factor in love
You probably shouldn't have listened to your father when he told you that before inserting his dick in your butt.
>>43520132
The extremes of emotion fuel Slaanesh. Excess fuels it, but so does artistic thinking and joy.
>>43520444
Does this mean we can use Sisters for blessing our longsword?
>>43520414
>Not really no. Unles you mean platonic love or some shit, but thats clearly not what he meant.
If you're defining love only as the non-sexual kind, you're not really talking about love.
>Sexual attraction is a factor in love, you're delusional if you try to convince yourself otherwise.
I actually pity you a little.
>>43520414
>Sexual attraction is a factor in love
Right.
>>43520722
>non sexual love doesn't exist
>love without sexual attraction? Are you retarded?
How stupid are you, Anon?
>>43520121
If Fish Speakers in God-Emperor of Dune do it, you can be sure Battle Sisters do it.
It depends on the planet. Seriously I don't think you get just how many belief-systems are counted under the Imperial Creed as one religion and organized as one faith. Imagine the entirety of monotheism and several branches of polytheism all answering to one hierarchy and agreeing to basically three damn rules.
1. Worship the Emperor.
2. Smash fucking heretics.
3. Don't smash each other [unless they're heretics].
On some planets, Sisters are chaste. On others they permit lesbians. On others, lesbianism is mandatory. It all depends on the planet.
I don't see why not. As long as it doesn't become excess. But I highly doubt Bolter Bitches care much about sex, and only love the Emperor. Regardless of sexuality, they probably don't get it on much because their duty comes before all else.
That being said, the universe is so big you can do it either way whether it be in the RPGs, write-faggotry, or if you fluff the shit out of your armies. It literally won't effect anything.
Realistically, GW will never confirm one way or another. Because they will be facing a PR shitstorm either way.
>>43520414
>Sexual attraction is a factor in love, you're delusional if you try to convince yourself otherwise.
Freud.txt
>>43520121
>is the Ecclesiarchy cool with lesbian Sisters of Battle? or is that considered heresy?
As with every question, the answer is "it depends"
Hell, some SoBs are probably still celibate, clinging to the old "Brides of the Emperor" fluff. For those that aren't, there is a surprising amount of difference between the Ecclesiarchy on one end of the Galaxy and the other.
>>43520810
Not recognizing why you're being pitied only makes it clear that you've got some growing up to do.
>>43520207
>The main distinction is to assume that the ecclesiarch has the same view on sex that organized religion has
But that's wrong you fucking heretic. The 40k Ecclesiarchy contains pretty much NONE of the tenets of modern, organized religion, you're absolutely retarded to think it would have that one.
>>43520444
>>43520539
Praise be!
>>43520686
...How are they blessing them?
>>43520892
>As long as it doesn't become excess.
...What if it does?
Of course they're cool with it!
>>43520967
i phrased it wrong, i meant to say that "if they do have the same..."
Oh great, another /pol/ discussion on /tg/.
This one isn't even veiled at all.
>>43520983
With holy fluids of course.
>>43521038
Great, so maybe 10%? Max? Again
>>43520924
The Ecclesiarchy isn't monolithic, the Space Marines aren't, the IG aren't, the Navy isn't, no one is identical, or even has the same general set of beliefs besides "Emprah is best" when you go from one side of the galaxy to the other
ps. sorry for calling you a retard
Are there any stories of a SoB falling in love with and settling down with a nice man?
>>43520207
I'm catholic and this is probably the best explanation I've seen of why the church is against masturbation and artificial birth control
>>43521096
>Great, so maybe 10%? Max? Again
I don't understand what you mean
>>43520983
If it does become excess, it's heresy I imagine. Just like too much straight sex.
Actually. What is the Imperium's stance on sex? Ratlings are described as lecherous and fucking all the time. So that is excess AND being an abhuman, yet they're fine. Maybe the Imperium just does not give two shits about sex.
>>43521186
>Maybe the Imperium just does not give two shits about sex
Imperium doesn't give two shits about most things as long as the Emperor gets praised and the Tithes get paid.
>>43521186
It varies from planet to planet, but the Imperium really just does give a FUCK about sex, it's only drug-fueled rape orgies where you start flaying your own skin while dipping your balls in the acidic blood of some exotic warp-beast while eating the aborted fetus of a mutant and a specifically genetically tailored dog to make them able to be cross-species compatible that it becomes a problem.
Hell, the Imperium doesn't even give a fuck about incest, or orgies, or harems or even drug-fueled orgies, unless you have them for weeks on end.
Hell, the Navigator Houses only DO incest.
>>43521223
Man, I love the Imperium sometimes.
>>43521251
In the grimdark future, there is only drug fueled invest orgies.
Doesn't sound that bad.
>>43520924
>>43521096
Shrine worlds are all pretty similar. The minor planet to planet religions differ due to culture and traditions but once you get on the planetary level of controlling the Faith all the Ecclisiarchs would have a more or less similar view of the Imperial Cult. They have an established head with their Space !Pope and they all share the same holy book and practices that originated on Terra.
>>43520851
>On others they permit lesbians. On others, lesbianism is mandatory. It all depends on the planet.
What justification would they have for making it mandatory?
Also why do I have this boner?
>>43521138
A Caiaphas Cain story had a retired SoB and I believe an IG sergeant in a relationship IIRC but they're only mentioned in passing.
>>43521259
Do you love the Emperor though?Have you paid your tithes?
>>43521307
Some text says, love no man, but the Emprah.
SoB's aren't men.
>>43521283
Pleasure Worlds are a thing, and they are typically Paradise worlds with a populace bred and tailored to be attractive and generally submissive to the whims of the people that can afford to go there.
Quite the contrast to other things, like being on an Imperium ship and having to worry about the Left Engine Tribe and Right Engine Tribe going to war over a 300 year dispute, and then be genuinely surprised by the fact that everything changes when Life Support attacked and the Chosen Void-born of Hydroponics must travel the decks and learn the tech-songs of their Metal Ghosts to unite the Scattered Tribes against Life Support in a decades-long war.
>>43521287
>Shrine worlds are all pretty similar.
Ding ding ding! Someone's making up their own fluff again!
>>43521307
>What justification would they have for making it mandatory?
Look up the Sacred Band of Thebes. At least one elite, historical military unit encouraged/required its soldiers to be lovers on the belief that they would fight harder and never abandon each other knowing they'd let their lover(s) die
>>43521307
Sex to blow off steam. But with each other so their is a closer bond among the Sisters. If they fuck outsider dudes they run the risk of getting pregnant and not being able to kill shit for the Emperor, and they could become attached to someone they don't fight with, hindering their ability in battle.
It's the only semi-reasonable reason I can think of.
>>43521339
Jesus Christ. Are their books about the crazy tribal shit on voidships? I need that in my life.
>>43521396
He basically just re-skinned Avatar: The Last Airbender.
But yes, Imperial Ships having entire micro-civilizations, tribes, and various other stupidity going on in them is pretty canon.
>>43521421
I'm stupid. I didn't notice the Avatar thing.
I knew the tribes in the ships were a thing, but I never thought about them much. Reading it like that I realized they can actually be interesting instead of expendable mindless cheap labor.
>>43520121
Ok, these attention whores have my attention. Who are they?
>>43520132
Yes,just like heterosexuality.
>>43520325
>lesbians are really low tier fapbait
>>43520132
All passion fuels Slaanesh. Pain, pleasure, pride, sensation, perfection. When a daemon of Khorne screams its victory, Slaanesh grows in power. When a deranged hive-worker feels joy when he collects toenails, Slaanesh grows in power. When an assassin spends decades mastering his skill with a singular drive, Slaanesh grows in power. When the grey knight purges a greater daemon and saves a whole world, Slaanesh grows in power. When the eldar die without the sanctuary of a soulstone, Slaanesh grows in power. When a cultist sacrifices a dove in the name of Erzsébeth the Bloody, their goddess of painful ecstasy, Slaanesh grows in power.
>>43521575
>When the grey knight purges a greater daemon and saves a whole world, Slaanesh grows in power
Nyet
>>43521339
I would read that book
>>43521343
Relationship problems would hurt morale and lower cohesion, and Emperor help you if one half of a pair is killed in action.
>>43521307
>Also why do I have this boner?
BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS THE TRUEST PATH!!!
>>43521575
>All passion fuels Slaanesh
Which is why we should all go FULL LESBIAN!!!
>>43521686
Not perfect at all. Just the first thing that came to mind.
>>43520121
it depend on the inquisitor or cathedral world maybe?
>>43520132
Very little. About as much as a straight relationship
>>43521307
Because they want to avoid the girls having impure thoughts about the Emperor, and what better way to do that than to make them not view any man that way at all.
Also because the Abbess acts like a private school headmaster and its her fetish.
>>43520851
This...is pretty much it.
The Imperial Creed has a few rules and God Emperor help you if you break them but it's mostly about dealing with external threats. It says almost nothing about how to live.
>>43521743
HEY, WHY ARE YOU TALKING IN ALL CAPS?
And just chain replying with nothing worth saying?
>>43520121
They don't care about straight sisters of battle, why would they care about lesbian ones?
>>43520132
No you faggot, Slaanesh is the god of excess not the god of anything Catholics get upset about
>>43520121
I think it was mentioned in this same thread we had a while back that 'it's fine, but it's the same as if you still had a safety blanket.'
It's tolerated, but seen as childish.
>>43522618
No actually, that's just japan not 40k. In Japan homosexuality between women is considered childish, but literally nothing supports this being the case in 40k
>>43521307
Bond Sisters fight harder to protect each other
>>43522925
See >>43521686
What happens when the bond is broken? If it's due to a relationship spat then they won't fight as hard and they might cause stress and disorder in other couples as well. Also, what happens if one of them is killed? They'd get a brief period of vengeful anger followed by a longer period of sadness and loss of motivation, further hurting morale and cohesion.
>>43523025
>What happens when the bond is broken? If it's due to a relationship spat then they won't fight as hard and they might cause stress and disorder in other couples as well. Also, what happens if one of them is killed? They'd get a brief period of vengeful anger followed by a longer period of sadness and loss of motivation, further hurting morale and cohesion.
Who says it's only Couples?
>>43521666
Try Aldiss's Nonstop.
>>43520121
Do they still purge heretics? Is it getting in the way of purging heretics? Will it stop them from purging heretics?
So long as they purge heretics, venerate the Emperor, and stick to their strictly regimented schedules of prayer and purging and prayer and more purging, then it's fine.
>>43520121
It will probably be looked down upon because of the following reasons.
>1. Committing on carnal acts with no intent on reproduction could be viewed as a form of hedonism.
>2. If a sister engages in carnal behaviour with her sisters, then that would bring in question her reasons of joining in the first place.
>3. If carnal acts between sisters cannot be punished for, then there would be junior members who would attempt to tempt higher ranking members in exchange for rank and conversely there could be higher ranking members that could just use their juniors as sexual objects.
>4. In such situations where these relations arise, in battle they could be forced to choose between the emperor's orders and the life of a loved one, thus temptation to heresy.
From the perspective of the Ecclesiarchy, it would make sense to discourage homosexual behaviour in their militant arm that's supposed to be pure.
>>43523025
>What happens when the bond is broken?
Hardcore indoctrination and institutionalizing it would severely mitigate these issues. After all, it is with your Bond Sister that you commune with the Emperor.
>Also, what happens if one of them is killed?
Repentia beserkers would be those that lost their lovers and now only seek death in battle.
But this is only a thought exercise since someone brought it up. I find nonsexual Bond Brothers/Sisters to be much more appealing and interesting anyways.
>>43523514
That makes a surprising amount of sense.
>>43523056
You're missing the point. As you so often do. The point is not how many are involved but WHAT HAPPENS between them. If the relationship turns sour then the whole unit suffers.
>>43523514
>joining
SoBs choose their initiates, not the other way around
>>43523514
>muh chaste sisters
You do realize that they have an entire Sororitas branch devoted to being elegant courtesan that manipulate nobles and governors, right?
>>43523677
Depends on the fluff.
Sometimes they draw from orphans of war heroes, sometimes they draw from random girls, and sometimes they draw from volunteers (Often from noble families). They even make a point of allowing initiates to back out early on with no repercussions, because they only want Sisters that are really dedicated.
Women soldiers in general are a bad idea for 3 reasons.
>1. Morale. No man in the unit is going to like it when the 18 year-old cutie they've got a crush on ends up getting grabbed by a Nob and her screams for daddy can be heard across the entire line as it plucks her limbs off and rips her entrails out, covering her squadmates in blood and bits before her severed head lands among them twisted in an expression of agony.
>2. Cohesion. Inter-squad relationships cause divisions among the unit between men who see her more like a sister and men who see her more like a potential lover (and men who are bitter at her for causing these problems).
>3. Women in general are just worse at being soldiers. They're weaker and they die easier.
Now Sisters of Battle erase the 3rd problem because the Ecclesiarchy throws enough money around to give them power armour and bolters and stuff, making physicality a secondary concern.
Being all-female makes the first two points moot, ASSUMING they're not lesbians. Ergo widespread lesbianism would make these two problems re-emerge because divisions will arise in the unit over who gets to scissor the new meat. Would also hurt morale when their lover ends up screaming in the mud as she tries to stuff her guts back inside her mangled torso.
>>43523706
>You do realize that they have an entire Sororitas branch devoted to being elegant courtesan that manipulate nobles and governors, right?
You do realize that the Ordo Dialogus liaises with the nobility by providing wisdom, sage counsel, and translation services don't you? There's nothing specifically sexual about it.
>>43523677
I don't think I remember reading anything like that.
Granted, different orders operate in different ways.
I always presumed that you'd need to apply in order to become an initiate and depending on your position, you may or may not be pressured to put in the application.
>>43523732
The point of the SoB in the first place was to give Ecclesiarchy a militant arm that could never grow to become stronger than the imperial guard.
>>43523780
They pull em from the Schola Progenium or however it's spelled
>>43523732
/r9k/ please go. No one wants you here.
>>43523706
I don't expect them to BE chaste, but I do expect they'd keep up the appearances.
The point of discouraging sexual behaviour openly is not to stop sexual behaviour in the first place, but rather to make the Sororitas to be concious that their behaviour is a gateway to hedonism and give the Ecclesiarchy the powers to crack down the moment it turns into heresy.
It also forces the sisters who have been partaking in these activities to keep doing their job well enough to remain useful enough that Ecclesiarchy will overlook such minor tresspasses.
>>43523732
The only one that applies exclusively to grills is number 2. A Nob ripping your best m8 apart is the same as your crush getting the axe.
>>43520121
>is the Ecclesiarchy cool with lesbian Sisters of Battle?
You're going to masturbate to it anyway so pick any answer you like.
>>43523829
I thought it was because the ecclesiarchy wasn't allowed the have men-at-arms so they used a loophole. Although I suppose that leads to the same conclusion. Either way the points stand.
>>>43523916
>m-muh bogeyman
Truth hurts faggot.
>>43524011
Not gonna be a crush for most people in the squad though, random woman getting disembowelled is gonna affect morale more than random man.
>>43523895
That has no bearing on whether they're volunteers or not. Given the nature of the Schola, finding qualified volunteers isn't particularly difficult, but they don't just randomly snatch girls from it.
>>43524042
>random woman getting disembowelled is gonna affect morale more than random man
And why is this?
>>43524065
people feel more for women and think they need to be protectedit is NEVER ok to hit a girl
>>43523732
>Would also hurt morale when their lover ends up screaming in the mud as she tries to stuff her guts back inside her mangled torso.
Thats just as true among comrades as it is among lovers.
Lesbianism makes literally no difference to the SoBs because the bond of comradeship is already as important as any relationship they could have.
Unless we're talking about really deep romatnic love, in which case trying to forbid it is doing way more harm than good which is among the reasons the Ecclesiarchy wouldn't bother wasting their time.
They can neither police it effectively nor is there any reason for them to try.
If there's one thing you can't take out of humanity, it's the urge to fuck.
>>43523895
Weren't there also means for unwanted daughters nobility to become SoB initiates? or do they also have to go through the Schola Progenium?
>>43524092
Soldiers are trained to handle blood & guts on a large scale, and you're telling me morale will suddenly drop because one of the corpses has tits?
See, one could actually explore a complex relationship between two faithful holy warriors while also devoted to their god. Pulling on sisterhood, zealotry, sexuality, and war films, shit could be amazing.
Instead we'll get fapbait.
>>43524138
Psychologically yes. Society trains pretty much everyone to protect women.
>>43524065
Everyone sympathizes more with women than with men. It's obvious wherever you look.
>>43524168
Thats why there are people who behead litle girls for learnign to read? because moral and values are universal constants that never ever differ anywhere.
The assumption the SoB and the societies they come from have the exact same values is laughable.
>>43524168
So you do have some evidence of this happening to soldiers, right? And society tells people not to stab folks in the throat, but shiggy-diggy doo-wop, guess what soldiers do?
>>43524168
In biology as well.
It's hardwired in the brain of men to protect women. If it wasn't, we'd be living in a patriarchy.
>>43524224
>So you do have some evidence of this happening to soldiers, right?
I have little to no evidence of female soldiers dying in combat
>>43524255
>I have little to no evidence of female soldiers dying in combat
Then you should read more because it happens all the time. Look up WW2 too, if you need a strart. The Red Army had female soldiers in large numbers.
>>43524232
>It's hardwired in the brain of men to protect women
Really? I can't really say my wiring is the best.
>>43524224
Actually, Israel and US military have conducted studies on using mixed gender squads and it was conclusively deducted that by putting a woman on a squad is worse than having 1 less men in a squad.
It seems to have quite clear psychological effect on men.
The study does not show how effective all-women squads would be however.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2394531-marine-corps-force-integration-plan-summary.html
>>43524305
Mental disorders are a thing yes.
We are also hardwired to feel sexual attraction for triggers of the oppostite gender, yet here we are.
>>43524331
>It seems to have quite clear psychological effect on men.
Where in the study does it say this? Page number if ya got it.
>>43524224
OK because >>43524232 is full of bullshit let me put it to you like this. It takes serious, and I mean serious conditioning to wire someone to be able to kill someone else if they're from a culture that discourages it (ie most of them) if they aren't already sociopathic. We're also encouraged from a young age to you know, not hurt other people. Doubly so for young boys.
>>43524331
>It seems to have quite clear psychological effect on men.
Because they grew up in societies in which these values are taught.
But this has no relevance to the SoBs who grew up and were trained in completly different values.
>>43520722
Dude, you have to be a troll...
seriously no one can be this much of a neckbeard and have this amount of niceguy symptoms
>>43524232
>If it wasn't, we'd be living in a patriarchy
1. One doesn't contradict the other
2. We do live in patriarchy, even in such jew castrated, genocidal shithole as USA
>>43524331
>having 1 less men
>>43524385
The accuracy of mixed gender squads drops.
The only way this can be explained is either a statistic anomaly or a psychological effect.
>>43524465
That indicates more a lack of discipline in those militaries rather than a universal psycholigical effect.
>>43524465
Or the grill Jarheads in the study didn't shoot as well as their male counterparts.
>>43524402
Not saying that doesn't have an effect, but Humans are a sexually dimorphic species, which means men are built differently than women both in brain and in body.
If you disagree, then you're saying there's no such thing as a female brain or a male brain, which means transgendered people do not exist and are just insane.
>>43524461
Man
>>43524519
>transgendered are just insane
>>43524519
>which means transgendered people do not exist and are just insane
They are. But male and female brains do have differences. Those two facts are unrelated.
>>43524519
>but Humans are a sexually dimorphic species, which means men are built differently than women both in brain and in body.
That has no bearing on what I said though?
The topic was the reaction to seeing someone else, a person you have sexual/romantic feelings for die and if its a problem with lesbianism among the SoBs. To which the answer is that it makes no difference at all.
Because either they are socially conditioned and disciplined to overcome such shocks, or they are not in which case seeing a comrade in arms die has the exact same effect.
Citing RL society statistics and facts doesn't matter because the SoBs come from different societies.
>>43524427
That's the joke anon. Please tell me I wasn't alone getting that.
>>43524427
Democratic country where women are eligible and have equal vote as men and equal right to inheritance is by definition not a patriarchy.
>>43520147
>Do you seriously think GW would write Sister of Battle fluff now?
Nobody believed me last time I said anything, but yes. I was talking to a Greenshirt at my local GW and he told me that he was talking to one of the higher ups and, although the person he was talking to couldn't just outright say it, they told him that the online codexies are just to hold people over until the plastic models are done. A new codex should come out about the same time.
I have a weird feeling of deja-vu.
>>43524305
If a woman showed up with a heartbreaking story you would feel a lot more sympathy for her than you would for some dude for whom you would simply believe to be "crying like a bitch"
Just look around yourself.
The endless pity and support women are showered with when they feel even slightly insecure or endangered. The panic over the fake campus rape epidemic illustrates this perfectly
Men make up the majority of suicides, murder victims and suffer more violence in general and are something like 99 % of workplace fatalities and nobody gives a flying fuck.
And it's obvious why. Women bear children and the only way to ensure the survival of your progeny is to protect women. Hence, when the Titanic sank it was women and children first. You see shit like this throughout history. During the First Punic War, Rome lost something like a fifth of its male population and it didn't matter at all since the women survived, got fucked and produced more men. Just imagine the demographic damage if it had been a fifth of women dead and a huge surplus of men.
>>43524675
>you would feel a lot more sympathy for her than you would for some dude for whom you would simply believe to be "crying like a bitch"
You know what they say happens when you assume?
>>43520121
They literally don't care.
>>43524331
There's also a whole lot more of those studies floating around. That's just a summary
>>43524533fewer
>>43524701
Yeah, I'm sure some edgy tough guy on /tg/ negates the overwhelming majority of cases in real life.
Just look at court verdicts if you don't believe me. Women receive lighter sentences for the same crimes. Or that study about group bias among men and women that significantly favored women.
>>43521283
>there is only drug fueled invest orgies.
OH YEAH! Diversify that portfolio you dirty girl! Mmmm, now read that finance report off your sister's back! And you, sign that paperwork. Use my chest as a desk!
>>43524519
>trannies
>sane
>>43521339
This sounds amazing
>>43523760
He's talking about Orders Famulous, not Ordo Dialogus. But I think you just mixed the two up, except the translation service part.
>>43524042
>Truth hurts
Before you can say that you need to say something that is true first.
>>43520940
>>43521214
You should really read the theory on the four loves. But don't take it at too much face value.
>>43523644
>The point is not how many are involved but WHAT HAPPENS between them. If the relationship turns sour then the whole unit suffers.
Uh, see >>43523520
>Hardcore indoctrination and institutionalizing it would severely mitigate these issues.
>Repentia beserkers would be those that lost their lovers and now only seek death in battle.
Using sex as a means of sexual indoctrination and group bonding is exactly the sort of thing cults get up to, and the Sororita would be no different.
Sure, it's not a PERFECT system, but it does quickly build a strong emotional bond between squad mates, and the Sisters are the type to fight to the last woman anyways.
>>43521139
its a retarded explination for why they are lobbying against condoms if they want abortions to stop happening though.
>>43520309
You're a moron. They found remains of foetus in old convent basements you dumb fucking mitre tipper.
>>43521307
>What justification would they have for making it mandatory?
Population control. Too many people on a planet, the Planetary Government could attempt to decrease the numbers by heavily encouraging homosexuality.
>>43526239
Holy fuck, a reasonable and intelligent response from ND. Surely this is a sign of the End Times.
>>43524901Fuck you.
>>43520121
>Are the millions of cultures and religions that make up the Imperium all this way or all that way?
>>43524465
>The accuracy of mixed gender squads drops.
Because mixed gender squads have never trained together
Mixed gender squads perform about as well as squads that have never worked together previously, but literally zero studies have been done to see if the effects continue after the soldiers get used to each other.
>>43524042
>Truth hurts faggot.
You actually need to have evidence before you claim this, and oh look you're in a thread about a fictional fucking universe where there is direct evidence AGAINST everything you posted, meaning you are a retard, and probably a homosexual.
>>43520132
Despite what everyone else seems to think, yes. Because, homosexual sex is purely motivated by love/lust/pleasure etc. and not reproductive desire. So, homosexual sex is inherently emotional and a vice (this is not meant to have moralising connotations, but this logic stems from the moralising tradition, so okay...), and not capable of being anything else.
Of course non-reproductive heterosexual sex would have the same effect, but really the only sex Slaanesh wouldn't get something out of is non-emotional intercourse in the missionary position solely for the purpose of reproduction.
>>43527987
I agree with you, but /tg/ is so hopelessly SJW that it's basically an overflow room for reddit.
All the fags in this thread will tear you apart for insinuating that their "love" isn't exactly equal and equivalent and analogous with normal love.
But normal love is motivated by, like you said, a procreative need. Homosexuality is a defective and error-ridden corruption of that process.
Is it more excessive? Is being addicted to eating trash and shit more excessive than being addicted to eating ham and potato? Probably.
>>43528082
>>43527737
>Because mixed gender squads have never trained together
This variable was controlled for in the USMC study.
Mixed gender squads scored lower than monogender male squads, and All Female squads scored slightly higher in tests simulating defence of a fixed position, but significantly worse in anything that included marching.
>>43528082
>>43527987
There are plenty of straight people who love to fuck but also don't want kids.
You're both wrong.
Sisters have mandatory group sex with their squads for the purpose of relieving lust in a controlled and monitored environment to prevent it from interfering with their ability to fight and serve the Emperor.
>>43527534
>Holy fuck, a reasonable and intelligent response from ND. Surely this is a sign of the End Times.
Eh, it happens some times...
NOW TO RUIN ANY AND ALL CREDIBILITY I MAY HAVE GAINED!!!
>>43527987
>the only sex Slaanesh wouldn't get something out of is non-emotional intercourse in the missionary position solely for the purpose of reproduction.
OH REALLY?!?!
>>43528182
>the USMC study
Oh the howling and asshurt that that study has caused. All the muh wimmynz people blown out of the fucking water.
Despite what Joss Whedon will tell you, a 90 pound woman cannot fight as well as a 200 pound man. War doesn't gender norm.
>>43528082
> but /tg/ is so hopelessly SJW
It's not.
/tg/ is, has, and will always be a middle of the road place. Because there's no real censorship, both sides of any argument coexist here, be they liberal, conservative, or however else you want to define the two side of any political argument.
That's why there's always going to be conflicts about these topics, and that's why they're best left to /pol/. To post these kind of topics is hopefully just baiting and trolling, and at worst is some effort to try and turn /tg/ into a second tumblr, and that's why regardless of what your political stance may be, the only proper response to these topics is "Take it to /pol/."
>>43528963
/tg/ is tumblr as fuck, actually.
>>43528182
>Trusting anything that comes out of the USMC
>>43528928
90 pound women don't enlist
>>43530179
>90 pound women don't enlist
Yeah they do. I knew a sergeant and a lieutenant who were that size.
>Trusting anything that comes out of the USMC
Go read the study and look at their methodology. Look, some women can hang, yes. But women as a whole? Nope.
Just look at police and fire fighters. Every place that has integrated men and women has seen a drop in the physical standards to allow more women access. It is what it is.
>>43528963
Liberal and conservative are not mutually exclusive things.
>>43530179
Maybe not, but the ones that do are pretty bad anyways.
Had a FET team while deployed, working with them was a chore beyond belief. Not only by the way they acted themselves, but also by the simple act of being women.
>>43529949
Only if you're a /pol/ addicted retard that has gone so far around the bend you don't know what society looks like anymore.
Somehow I think homolust does not fit into the Sister lifestyle.
>>43530362
Considering that you'd be hard pressed to find a real life religion that actually forbids the so called forbidden love, chances are it might be okay under the Imperial Faith as well.
You can also get into some other statistics.
For example, your average man is 90%+ likely to be stronger than your average women.
The bigger thing though is when you start looking at pre and post basic training physical data, because while women do make more progress than men in terms of their own norms, the strength difference between male and female trainees in fact both widens and normalizes. Once everyone starts meeting fitness standards, you stop seeing those women who can hack it with the boys, because she often was working out more than they were to be there.
And the thing of it is is that the physical standards for combat arms soldiers are already a joke at the minimum, and a large majority of women can't meet those very basic goals.
And this is just physical ability, you aren't even getting into the long term health issues and sanitary problems that would result.
Never mind the issues with pregnancy.
>>43520121
The Imperium doesn't CARE
their are just another body to throw at enemies of mankind and as long as their not a heretic No one cares what they do in their off time
Are their people who disagree?
Of course
The Imperium is full of people who have different standards and ideas
>>43530417
>Considering that you'd be hard pressed to find a real life religion that actually forbids the so called forbidden love
You know, other than all the major monotheistic ones, several of the pantheistic ones, and plenty of the shamanic ones.
>>43523514
>>Unlike Winston, she had grasped the inner meaning of the Ecclesiarchy's sexual puritanism. It was not merely that the sex instinct created a world of its own which was outside of their control and which therefore had to be destroyed if possible.What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be transformed into war-fever and leader-worship.The way she put it was: "When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about The Emperor and the Crusades and heresy and all the rest of their bloody rot?"
I find that Halo 3 logo the most heretical thing in that picture
>>43523025
It doesn't have to ACTUALLY be a net gain for it to be believable that some sects would THINK it was a net gain.
>>43523514
>2. If a sister engages in carnal behaviour with her sisters, then that would bring in question her reasons of joining in the first place.
They're all Schola, they don't 'choose' to join the SoB.
>3. If carnal acts between sisters cannot be punished for, then there would be junior members who would attempt to tempt higher ranking members in exchange for rank and conversely there could be higher ranking members that could just use their juniors as sexual objects.
Advancement is not a matter of arbitary promotion. You won't get promoted into celestan or head biologis because you're liked, you'll be when you've served decades or your immediately superior dies and there are no replacements available.
If a SoB wanted to unlawfully gain a promotion they're better off killing their superiors then seducing them, that can actually work.
>4. In such situations where these relations arise, in battle they could be forced to choose between the emperor's orders and the life of a loved one, thus temptation to heresy.
This is an universal situation not limited by love, friendship, camaradrie, etc. can all result in this.
>>43537282
>This is an universal situation not limited by love, friendship, camaradrie, etc. can all result in this.
In fact an argument can be made that by recognizing it can happen then you can better indoctrinate against it. "Picking your heretical lover over the emperor's orders is EXTRA HERETICAL" is not going to pick up the same traction as "a day may come when you must choose between the emperor's orders and your lover. If you don't choose the emperor's orders you might as well off yourself in shame right there because you just failed the ultimate test."
>>43520121
Dude, you know why Sisters don't take vows of chastity.
Because they are the brides of the Emperor. They are literally Emperorsexual. Adoring anything ever that is not Him is blasphemous. You can't join Sororitas unless all of your heart belongs to God Emperor and nobody but him.
Also yeah there's reason why mixed sex army units are not a thing, while dances around homosexuals in the military are - no fucking place for cuddling in the army, period. It's a huge fucking pole in the cogs of war.
>>43521251
>Hell, the Navigator Houses only DO incest.
They are inbred yes, and they act like old European nobility but they don't get sister and brother together. There are still ten thousands of them. Part of why the marriages are arranged is trying not to crossbreed people that are too close.
>>43537338
You can't indoctrinate against it though as it is a basic human instinct and the first building block of cooperation.
Replace lover with companion, fellow SoB, trenchmate, superior, idol, etc.
You can't really stop people from caring about people in one way or the other, the choice between doing your ultimate duty and helping your companions will always be there and its not always the duty that is objectively the best for the SoB and the Imperium, if it were, then the SoB would constantly martyr themselves enmasse.Implying.
>>43537514
>You can't really stop people from caring about people in one way or the other
You very much can. That's the very first thing they do to you in the army.
>the choice between doing your ultimate duty and helping your companions will always be there and its not always the duty that is objectively the best for the SoB and the Imperium, if it were, then the SoB would constantly martyr themselves enmasse. Implying.
A Battle Sister's ultimate duty is following her superior's orders, as she sings the will of the Emperor. If she orders you to allahu akbar yourself - you allahu akbar yourself. If she orders you to leave your friends to certain death - you leave them to certain death because the Emperor wills it, and nothing else you feel compares to your love and loyalty for Him.
>>43537598
>You very much can. That's the very first thing they do to you in the army.
And yet it still happens constantly.
>>43520132
Yes. >>43527987
Anyone arguing that it doesn't is wrong and degenerate.
>>43537606
it's a part of the mechanism. If you don't care about people enough to act against your orders and regulations - you effectively don't care about people, from the system's standpoint.
If you do care enough to disobey orders - then you the are the vital element used by the mechanism to educate others on the subject of caring about people. So vital, in fact, that even of none of you cares about the others, the jackal will still find someone to make an example, just in case.
>>43537598
>That's the very first thing they do to you in the army.
Yeah. Nah. Nice hustle, though. Isn't there a nice Michael Moore documen... "documentary" you should be watching about now?
>>43537651
>>43537726
>Michael Moore
Literally who? I'm speaking from own my time in service, living in a country that drafts.
I'm not even portraying it as some sort of ehvul brainwashing - it's just the way military works to keep working. You're still all friendly to your mates, it's just that bad or maybe VERY bad things happening to them and to you stop being a tragedy and become the expected norm, warranting "Hm, sucks to be him right now. Probably will suck to be me tomorrow" from you at most.
If you can't do that - you'll end psyching up and causing trouble. They push you some more, and if it doesn't work - you get commissioned to a nuthouse for awhile.
