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>Thread topic
What is your favorite race in the multiverse? Human is not a valid answer without a long explanation.
>>43500995
Personally it is goblins for me. Silly, cute, dangerous.
Honestly? Dragons.
They're just so badass. Recent blocks have made people seemingly hate dragons, but I still love em.
Myr are also up there. Do the Simic mutants count as their own race?
>>43501304
I would count as a separate race.
On the topic of Dragons : I wish that DTK had more tiny Dragons. Not just big ones . That is what sucked about it besides the killing off a great wedge world.
And before Chandere posts her Kor hate... Here is the list of flakes is most up to date. I think we had a few last week but not sure. Will need to comb the archives.
>>43501757
Do you have the actual flake sheet?
>>43501824
Here you go.
>>43501824
Unless you think that snowstorm is the parody one...
That is this one
>>43501036
We need more WoW style Goblins. Brilliant, yet incredibly stupid. Still just as prone to die die and die again.
It's also hard to Waifu what are basically rats without Ninjutsu.
As for my favorite race? I really like kor as an albino adventurer race. Vedalken are also great as the "Blue and blue humans".
I hope we get more Satyrs in the future. They're a nice alternative to Minotaurs that give us a tricksy, musical side of red/green.
Also not having arachne but having both loxodon and rhox is a crime.
I hope to see more ainok in the future; they're a good counterpart to leonin.
>>43501930
Well spider people are not a common thing but I do agree I would love them. For now the near archne of the Golgori Swarm insects will have to do.
>>43501872
Have to wonder how many flakes return after hearing about how their plane of origin was getting fucked. Looking at the snowflakes and official planeswalkers though, I'm starting to think irresponsibility is something most have in common.
Where do dragons come from on Theros? They are apparently all descended from Thraxes, but are they born? Kinda spirits like the Tarkir dragons?
Are they even intelligent or just beasts?
>>43502389
Rio and Moss are basically doing this across the multiverse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsICCjOQ3Dg
>>43502389
Well most of those who left in the canon left due to their disregard of their world or hating it for what it did to them .
But yeah you seem right.
>>43502444
Yes. Yes they are.
Rio has a thing for shortstacks.
>>43502440
I'd like for them to be thinking but I suspect they're just beasts, not even ones that accept tribute it seems.
>>43500995
There's no other option.Join the Hive or die by the Hive.
>>43503141
Yeah they seem like Land Leviathans more then real dragons
I love the Kor.
>>43502492
>>43502389
Let's take it a step further.
If your flake finds out that their plane is geting attacked(Phyrexia, Eldrazi, hungover Bolas, planeswalker doing something retarded, etc.), could they be counted on to get back there to help out?
>>43502389
Truly, walkers are a bunch of fuckers
>>43504642
No.
Yes.
No.
Conditional yes.
Conditional yes.
>>43504642
Abline?
Well I think Fiora's law magic would confund Phyrexians but...
>Phyrexia
Yes
>Eldrazi
Yes
>hungover Bolas
Nope. Not touching him
>planeswalker doing something retarded
Most likely.
>>43504544
Chandere thinks otherwise
>>43504642
>Tzarimir
Phyrexia: Yes, in fact he might try and side with them somehow. White Phyrexians are almost his ideal state of affairs, they're just too zealous in a religious sense.
Eldrazi: Nope, fuck that noise. He deals with people. Most his magic would barely even scratch an Eldrazi and he knows it.
Hungover Bolas: Might try to cut a deal, but would probably let him do his business and then resume with the benevolent dictatorship once he's done.
Another Planeswalker: Would smack the shit out of that bitch if they touched any of his pet dictatorships.
>Urik
Phyrexia: Would fight them if it really came to it, but he doesn't really consider any plane his "home" so he would probably fuck off to somewhere else and let someone else deal with them
Eldrazi: Would try to eat them to gain their power. Might work and become the Jund version of Drana permanently.
Bolas: Same as Phyrexia
Another Planeswalker: Dinner is served
>>43501872
>>43501757
FULL CANCER TIME.
Which snowflake would your snowflake actively try to pursue a relationship with? Or alternatively, which pairing (including your snowflake) would be the most interesting?
>>43505105
>Not yet
FUCK YOU
INNISTRAD STRONG
REMOVE GAYDRAZI
AVACYN ALIVE IN GAVONY
>>43505110
Wow. I forgot how much of an ahole those two could be.
>>43505178
Urik would definitely go after Zosime. Someone with an appetite to match his, even though it's of a different kind of flesh, would certainly interest him. Plus, he knows how to eat and blood has never put him off, if you catch my drift.He's also a literal rapist and would fuck anyone he's attracted to, man or woman, whether or not he has any kind of consent
>>43505178
Hilde and Munchy
Passion and Pesh
Abline and Velvet
Zosime and Oink
Zosime and Urik
>>43505418
I would think Zosime would dominate him so hard. She would milk him dry.
>>43505577
That's pretty hot.
>>43505603
She Indeed isis that type of woman. Not many men have the stamina to keep up with her.
>>43505666
I mean, Urik theoretically has the stamina of as many men he can eat. So he could just have a KFC bucket of human corpses to stuff his face with inbetween fuck sessions/during fuck sessions.
Zosime is pretty kinky, but is she literally covered in blood and gore during sex kinky?
>>43505702
She would think that it is a blast. I have a story where she a a fellow were eaten by a dragon, they do it and she bursts out fucking him and drenched in blood.
>>43505178
Garon a cute. A CUTE.
On the topic of hard lore though, did they release the UR with commander 2015 setting this week?
>>43505749
Yes they did. It was on the BG shaman from Alara. Boils down to her not being a life shaman of Jund but a shaman of both Jund and Grixis with a vendetta against her people.
Interesting read but nothing ground breaking.
Abline and Garon would be a cute pair.
>>43505702
>>43505744
Jesus, I don't recall Zosime being crazy. Like yes, she might as well be the new RG god of lust but she's basically a theros satyr. Dicks but not Rakdos. One of her creators even went out of their way to not put any Rakdos spells on her character because they're too crazy.
Something, something, enjoying life, not killing yourself for fun.
>>43505994
She gets desperate.
>>43505994
Didn't we have another snowflake involved with the RG god on Theros?
>>43507157
Not sure. Xantagoats is someone who is off limits as he was/is a walker
What happened to Feather after Krenko's UR?
Where the hell did Aurelia and the other Boros angels even come from?
>>43508732
Don't know about Feather.
The Boros angels probably form like other angels: seemingly naturally, like elementals of white and/or red mana.
>>43508732
They won't say
>>43508732
Angels are manifestations of white mana, so presumably the Boros angels have either been tainted like the Fallen Angel or Serena, or are hybrids.
>>43510842
Wait does that apply to Orzhov angels as well, card flavor texts implies that they are unfamiliar to the Boros ones.
>>43512257
There are two types of Orzhov angels.
Angels that said "Fuck righteousness for free, I'm going to be righteous for profit." These can be the random angels, or they can be ex-boros."
Then there's the artifically created by the power of money angels. They're WB and pretty much live by Angel of Despair's flavor text, dutifuly serving their masters.And yes, dutifuly "serving" their masters as well. That's all-but canon too.
>>43512335
But mos of their masters are ghosts. Are you telling me Orzhov higher ups would let lower ranked members be killed off so they could put a Deathpact Angel in a frilly maid outfit?Because I'm okay with that.
>>43512558
There are quite a few members of the Orzhov that are still wasting their money on being alive, but successful, much like Teysa. I imagine that they're the ones buying expensive angel ownership contracts to open angel strip-joints to be the bosses of.
This naturally leads to fueds with the local Rakdos rings, who feel the Orzhov are stepping on their turf of sinful entertainment.
And lets be fair, that guy that gets killed off so Deathpact angel can come back to her master in a maid outfit is worth more dead than alive.
So a question for the lore junkies here- when's the last time you've opened product? I recently got the red-black Battle for Zendikar Eldrazi pre built deck, and it's pretty sweet.
What makes it real good is the "cares about colorless shit" theme. Since every single last creature and spell has devoid, any nonland card can trigger Dominator Drone, Kozilek's Sentinel, Molten Nursery, and Nettle Drone.
It's quite fun to play, I'd highly recommend picking it up. (Although finding a Fat Pack would be better, but good luck with that. )
>>43513095
What does that have to do with lore?
We all play the game fairly often...
>>43513095
Like >>43513128 said, that doesn't really pertain to lore very much.
If you're just talking about packs, personally I've been too busy to buy anything recently or play very much.
If you're talking just generally about any Magic-related products, I recently got a paperback of the Artifacts Cycle, Part 2 when the story was still set on Dominaria.
>>43504642
Yes.
Yes.
Against better judgement but yes.
YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT'S A YES.
>>43501757
>>43501872
Just a head's up, for the next run Arakis now has original art rather than that fishman pic
I think I may have posted it before, but I cannot recall, so here.
>>43513128
>>43513297
Okay, how about this: Why do y'all think none of the Eldrazi are in white? It's not even a case of minor splashing- there are like at least 10 Eldrazi cards in every other color besides white.
Wait...
Could Wizards be pushing each Eldrazi to a four color combo to help personify it besides "not the fifth color"?
Emrakul I feel is a BRGW- she doesn't seem very much on intelligence/subterfuge, just big fucking tentacle things.
Kozilek is WUBR then. He doesn't follow the rules the other Eldrazi follow and he's the smartest.
>>43513680
Emrakul would be WUBG. She manipulates gravity and primal forces, as well as being the usual UG mysterious shit is happening shtick.
Kozilek may be smart, but Emrakul warps stuff the way blue is famous for
>>43513722
Emrakul not being red doesn't fit since her brood's all red mana
>>43513756
WUBR then? She is the least natural of the eldrazi. At least Ulamog and Kozilek are freaky but make some sort of perverted sense.
>>43513756
>>43513771
and green, they also come in green
I have yet to see one of her brood come in black, though
Which may be why she's said to leave the most living while being the strongest of them
>>43513782
I actually checked and the only emrakul brood cards (Least with name) are the hatcher, vestige, and hand.
Do feel free to prove me wrong though. I'm not in the mood to sift through flavor text
>>43513816
You'd also have to go through art in RoE to find lattice-structure
>>43513680
They've said that they purposely chose to ignore white with the Eldrazi because it is the antithesis of what the Eldrazi are. White seeks community and to preserve everything. The Eldrazi are solely 3 entities who annihilate everything and don't even cooperate/coordinate with each other.
I don't think they'll ever easily go for 4-color anything. It's hard to describe lore-wise and they can only really describe the concept by what they lack.
Plus with the Eldrazi, it would be awkward just having the three Titans, when there are five 4-color combos, and I hate when people suggest there might be more Titans because it's just wishful thinking to verify what they want.
>>43513851
That idea is bad and they should feel bad for having it
ESPECIALLY since white LOVES to destroy EVERYTHING
>>43513816
as far as creatures go you only missed one in Nest Invader, but I /did/ find a black card depicting her brood in action.
I suspect all the eldrazi are UBRG, and that white may not factor into this, but it could give the potential for multiversal forces /like/ the eldrazi to come in other four color combos. The Nephelim were supposed to be old as shit, primal elementals or something, maybe the things that eldrazi are are like that on a higher scale?I'm starting to sound like pink, kill me now
>>43513882
>43513882
I can't believe I forgot about squiggly mushroom
>>43513879
White destroys when it is justified. The Eldrazi act in ways incomprehensible to normal creatures and destroy indiscriminately; sentient, creature, plant, land, etc.
>>43513722
>>43513756
>>43513756
>>43513771
>>43513782
Well, we at least have to agree that Ulamog is UBRG, which brings up an unfortunate conundrum.
Eldrazi drone cards in RotE were all depicted in red, green, and black cards (if I remember correctly- there was a trivia article about it not too long ago). If Emrakul and Kozilek Eldrazi are on cards of all Jund colors then this theory falls flat without retconning the brood of some of the original colored Eldrazi Drones.
I also thought about something else- what if Eldrazi are ironically defined by the color they are least, going directly against what I said last time. What does Ulamog leave in his wake? White, chalky dust. I can't think of a waste "material" more white mana than a uniform mass of... mass. So Ulamog is defined by what he doesn't eat- something that exemplifies or is flush with the properties of White.
I've also considered that the "processors" aren't really processors at all- they're parts of other Eldrazi that eat their fill of the dust Ulamog leaves behind.
Also, following this logic means that there were/are/will be 2 more Eldrazi, one each that 'consumes' all but one different part of a plane, and Ulamog eats everything but the actual atoms, leaving fine atomic dust to scatter in the wind.
>>43501836
One day I'll actually post my 'walker here. Are there any rules for making your special snowflake?
>>43513933
Hey! white destroys indiscriminately too!
>>43508732
>>43509701
>>43510842
To my knowledge they are all mirrors of Razia (with the exception of Orzhov Angels, who are created by the Orzhov). As far as why the art of each angel is different? Most likely to prevent cards from getting too boring.
>>43514133
Avoid using legendaries, avoid interfering with the canon, try to stick to the color pie, your spark must be valid (being born, sapient, etc) and i can't remember what else.
we could always help you out if you have questions or need some feedback.
>>43514212
Try not to use it to complain about Nu Slivers and try to avoid having Ravnica as a home/first plane.
>>43514195
some wear makeup too
>>43514150
When they are losing a war and are surrounded by the oncoming enemy, Blue does the smart thing and teleports away, Black does the ambitious thing and joins the enemy, Red does the emotional thing and goes out fighting, and Green does the natural thing and accepts its fate.
White drops the damn nuke.
>>43514328
>complain about Nu Slivers
Wasn't that just one guy who made the sliverwalker?
>>43514520
>Black not killing as many as it can and raising the dead to fight for it.
>>43514711
There were about 3 way back when.
>>43513554
That is so hideously out of tone for Magic.
>>43514062
>we at least have to agree that Ulamog is UBRG
No. Ulamog is colorless.
Cards representing parts of Ulamog's brood cost colored mana, but they're still colorless. They cost colored mana not because they're secretly that color, but for the purpose of actually making them work in the game without breaking the color pie.
The colored mana symbols in the mana cost of a card with devoid are a game construct, not a piece of flavor. They're as relevant to the lore as a wall with boots equipped to it.
>>43514812
I wouldn't say that
but I appear to be at odds with magic on many points, so I guess I'll just have to live with forever being wrong.
>>43514894
Do you really not see the difference between "armor clearly based off of the styles of the Renaissance era, but garishly painted and with some light technological elements" and "futuristic anime robot"?
>>43514948
nope, "armor clearly based off of the styles of the Renaissance era, but garishly painted and with some light technological elements" is pretty much par for the course in the futuristic anime robot anime I watch
>>43515005
I see that humans aren't
>>43514948
Eh, I would say that it's more stylized than anime.
>>43515021
well it's a good thing Arakis isn't human, then isn't it?
>>43515039
He still looks retarded and out of place.
Seriously, when I first saw that pic I didn't know I was still in the magic flavor thread
>>43513554
>>43514894
For one thing, look at his left leg. See how the rod attachments are placed? He can't actually extend that leg any further without the central rod having to pass through the casing of the anterior rod. But his leg is currently mostly bent. He can bend it further, certainly, but that's at least a mid-stride articulation of the knee.
But, remember, he can't extend the leg any further. So, assuming his legs are symmetrical, his stance is forced into a constant squat. And don't try and claim anything about "muh digitigrade," because that doesn't work for three reasons:
>Digitigrade creatures still have their legs fully extended at multiple points in the stride, so the argument is flawed from the start.
>The orientation of the claws on his feet prevents the adoption of digitigrade stance in the first place, as does the lack of toe joint articulation.
>Jund viashino are crocodilian, and crocodiles are plantigrade.
Speaking of crocodiles, let's look at this dumb bastard's tail. Eyeballing it because I'm feeling lazy tonight, that looks to be at least twice the length of his body. Crocodile tails tend to be closer to the length of the body--not twice it! And he's bipedal, which is going to encourage a shorter tail, not a longer one.
Now, you might think that pangolins are relevant here, being one of the few bipeds with a tail. But, again, pangolin tails are nowhere near the relative length that this dumbfuck is packing, and their "bipedal" movement still has their hands nearly next to the ground in order to balance out the tail.
I could go on about the arms--oh, God, the arms, so much stupidity in the arms--but I frankly have better things to do with my time right now, and am running into the character limit anyway.
>>43515055
Eh, I can't really say that's something I care to change. Sorry
>>43515039
I was unaware that they started letting sonic characters in magic
>>43515005
>"Do you not see the difference between these two things?"
>"lol no because one arbitrarily chosen piece of media contains both of them"
I see that the existence of Kung Fury means that there's no difference between wuxia and WWII films now.
>>43515055
>>43515150
>reeeeeeeeeeee
good job guys, you're officially booty blasted.
>>43515169
I'm not the one greentexting "reee" I'm just making an observation
>>43513554
That looks like some yugioh shit goddamn
>>43513554
>I think I may have posted it before, but I cannot recall, so here.
You have posted it in pretty much every snowflake thread since you got it done. Fucking stop already.
>>43515119
Sorry bro, sonic the mechanical lizard's what the character gets
>>43513554
BROTHER!?
For fuck's sake, just remove Arakis from the snowstorm so we can cut out this particular tumor before it metastasizes.
>>43515212
Should we kill him off?
>>43515231
He is technically some kind of monster off somewhere in the multiverse now by his Anon's own design.
>>43515202
>Sorry, bro, I don't care if the concept doesn't really make sense in Magic, that's what the character is
>Sorry, bro, I don't care if he makes literally zero sense in the color combination I've chosen for him, those are the colors the character gets
>Sorry, bro, I don't care if the story that I wrote about him would literally change the face of the Multiverse by creating a new Eldrazi-level threat and seriously impact the actions of the canon characters, that's what the character gets
>Sorry, bro, I don't care if the art is completely out of tone for the setting and fundamentally flawed on several levels, that's what the character gets
Why are you so insistent on making him a Magic character? Just write him as a character for your own fantasy world. That's already basically what you're doing--you're just arbitrarily slapping him onto Magic for no good reason, and pointedly ignoring the fact that literally nothing about him works in context.
>>43515212
>>43515231
>>43515259
I keep telling you guys, my flake ain't lore friendly. Remove him if you gotta
>>43513554
OMG this is amazing, please save this shit, I'm dying.
I though YGO art was bad but this takes the cake. I hope you're trolling us, kudos to you sir.
>>43515343
dibs on the kill
>>43513554
He looks like a boss from Crash Bandicoot.
>>43515181
That's a hilarious point
>>43514894
>>43513554
Pic related
>>43513554
>>43515708
Also pic related
>>43515724
>>43515708
you're Arakis Anon aren't you
>captcha: advice stabs
Captcha's advice is multiple stabbing.
>>43515724
>>43515708
While I do like gagagigo, I requested a more anime mecha feel for Arakis
there was a lot of Big O in the reference art.
>>43515790
No, but when you said Yu-Gi-Oh I remembered that there was something almost EXACTLY what Arakis-anon wants him to be and it made me laugh. Hence why I pointed at Arakis-anon to show him how much his snowflake is a Yu-Gi-Oh character.
>>43515790
nay, >>43515793 is me
there was one guy up here who posted in my defense >>43515169 and I'm still wondering why
I accept that my guy's shit and can enjoy it, don't force yourselves to try and enjoy it on my behalf
if y'all want him out take him out, he does have a "death of" story anyway.
>>43515812
nah, gogiga went a direction that was a little off from Arakis as far as details and personalities go, though in retrospect the overall story arch might be similar, save that giga gets redemption whereas Arakis gets sent to the shadows of empty multiverse
Would you believe me if I thought we could use the Doctors lines from Lego Dimensions for Pink?
For example, as he's getting people OUT of a plane where the Soul just got pulled into the Blind Eternities (This kills the Plane)
>"C'mon! This place is for the Knackers Yard, get in!"
>>43515928
hey, if it works it works, just edit it enough to work with the lore and I'm sure that'll fit just fine.
I come to you /tg/ budmins and I ask you, as it has been rattling my mind. What kind of magic would blue/green represent outisde of biomancy. All I can gather is some form of "mysticism"? But I don't know how that would be represented in game. Please assist.
>>43516007
you didn't do anything during theros, did you?
>>43516017
I got divination from Kruphix kind of? But that's also wrapped in blue. I'm thinking more along what would the selkies of shadowmoor use.
>>43516037
maybe hiveminds?
granted, 50% of the hivemind-like cards I can think of off the top of my head are white, but I know a couple in blue and green, maybe UG in nature is insect-related stuff?
>>43516007
I could see UG warping the world around it. Using U to understand and apply G to its own purposes.
>>43516217
Could you go a little more in depth? I don't think you mean reality control, but I've been wrong before.
>>43516291
I was initially thinking stuff like teleportation, but that's just blue's unblockability. Roilmage-type magic would work fairly well without the controlled frustration that Noyan Dar uses.
Really I think UG would work well just having modal spells and abilities. Different effects that can be chosen from to fit the current situation. Counters, tokens, fog, fight, unblockable, card draw, etc.
>>43516371
Yeah this works well enough for me. Thanks. I kinda like the idea of utility Mage.
>>43516457
Utility mages are awesome.
>>43513933
White kills and destroys when it is something they define as unjustified, perhaps the Eldrazi do the same because everything else in the multiverse doesn't follow their code of ethics.
>>43514876
I think of it more as that is a majority of the mana they have consumed, just some head cannon though. Like how we find the aquatic 'drazi having blue or the ones in the mountains containing red.
>>43501757
Wow, that thing got out of control quickly. I tried coming up with a snowflake a couple of months ago, but it felt too much like 2 existing walkers stuck together. Aspects I was trying to adept into the walker have been done better than other people too.
>>43519050
It is crazy what we did in a short time. But feel free to throw it our way and we will help you out.
>>43519050
>>43519167
I still think we should have a two-to-four week sound-off period to confirm who's still around and who still wants their flakes on the table, just to cut down on the sheer volume.
>>43519216
I already disagree with the fact that we're segregating lore-unfriendly flakes from the rest.
This whole snowflake thing is cancerous, trying to transform it into something only for the 'serious' snowflake-makers will make it even more cancerous. Remember, nothing about this is good, nothing about this is worth being proud of. Your snowflake is just as shit as the snowflake made by someone that hasn't been in a flavor thread since August. Why should we cater to people that are so proud of the shitflakes that they have made that they talk about them nonstop? Realize that they aren't worth celebrating, they're just a thought exercise when we lack anything better to talk about.
>>43519216
A nice little cut-down would really be nice. It might also give people a chance to redo some of their flakes.
>>43519296
A cutdown would be good though. It's less "being serious" and more "that is a fuckton and people have left/don't want to be a part of this anymore"
As for the lore friendly separate. Look at Arakis, now imagine dozens of them. Just because "nothing about this is good" doesn't mean there can't be a standard as easy to reach as "Don't build a Gundam Lizard from Jund"
Like you said, it's a thought exercise, and when you're wrong, you're wrong. That's what lore-unfriendly means. Not "we don't like this flake" but "This snowflake is fundamentally wrong"
Your so obsessed with the "It's cancer" part that you seem to ignore the "It's fun" part.
>>43519296
I don't even have a snowflake, man, I'm just trying to cut the fat.
>>43519468
These snowflakes don't exist within the setting. They're all fundamentally wrong. It doesn't matter whether they abide or not, whether they 'could' exist or not, each one is a piece of horrid self-insertion and none of them are better than any other. If one should be removed, all should be removed.
>>43519532
That attitude only encourages more cancerous behavior. It discourages nothing except for people trying to contain the very things that you hate.
Saying "if one should be removed, all should be removed" isn't going to result in people removing all the flakes, it's going to result in more people doing stupid shit like Arakis and actively cutting down on the quality of actual lore discussion by brutally mangling it.
>>43519564
Then the safest thing to do is to ignore them and to get on with actually discussing the lore rather than making snowflakes or discussing snowflakes.
But we're obviously incapable of that, looking at the chart's state.
>>43519589
>This whining again
We discuss lore when someone brings it up, it happened repeatedly in this thread as well. Then when it goes quiet we start talking about flakes.
If you have lore to discuss, ask a question.
>>43519615
It's not whining. I'm saying that there's no cutting down on quality of actual lore discussion because they is no actual lore discussion, just snowflake discussion - and all snowflake discussion is cancerous and mangling, done when there is nothing else worthy of attention.
I don't mind snowflake discussion, what I mind is people trying to separate it into tiers of quality when all of it is shit.
>>43519665
>>43519615
guys please don't fight this is a place of peace and happiness
would it be better to, instead of trying to argue who should be culled or the like, maybe tier the flakelist on terms of how shit they are, so the most shit ones people can ignore without the removal of them?
>>43519966
That's what he's complaining against, that we tiered the flakes as "lore-unfriendly" and "Lore-friendly"
Adding more tiers wouldn't help appease this anons attitude.
That said how would we even decide that?
>>43501757
I would post my character, but A) I don't have any editing software on my computer and B) that Azorius guy is like 60% of my character.
>>43520074
O no, I do not mean "lore friendly" and "lore unfriendly" I mean tiers like "Minimum shit" "Shit" "Maximum shit" "Beyond maximum shit", or something non-serious like that, to keep things from getting too official a feel to them, because while I don't agree with his attitude that they should not be segregated, I do agree that they are all too shit for any semblance of lore-friendliness to go about them.
And I imaging a strawpoll or something for each flake or something similar would work
>>43520139
>And I imaging a strawpoll or something for each flake or something similar would work
=]AS YOU CAN GUESS, THIS WENT SWIMMINGLY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED[=
>>43520205
dude what?
>>43520139
What? No that's stupid. Really stupid. The only question that needs to be asked is "Do they work in the lore? Y/N" and "Is their creator still around? Y/N"
Trying to divide them into tiers beyond that is stupid. You can have a personal "My opinion." But we're not having anything thread official.
>>43513554
The old art actually looked cool.
This just looks stupid, like some sort of horrible lovechild of a Yu-Gi-Oh monster and a Sonic Donut Steel, who then had a horrible lovechild with a Digimon.
>>43520077
Not even paint?
>>43520485
not gonna lie, digimon-esk was partly the intention.
He's supposed to be chocked full of classic super robot tropes, and from what I hear digimon is an /m/ thing nowadays.
>>43521254
Only because of Shoutmon, Digimon is more /a/ than /m/, if you wan't get acrossthe Super-Robot feel, I'd suggest looking into Shin Getter Robo: Armageddon.
>>43521619
actually, if you know the history of Arakis, you'd know I based the final monster he becomes on the Getter Emperor
>>43521650
>>43521619
pic for reference
>>43521650
I do know that yes, I just don't think the image you had commissioned is really...him, but that's just me.
Surprisingly I also thought of the Evas from NGE when it came to how you described him, not slim and graceful, mind you, Just Getter Dragon with a tail and a head like Unit 01.
>>43521673
Holy crap how big izzat Getter Eagle?
>>43521782
honestly, due to the nature of Arakis's multiple instances, any imagining of him could be potentially canon, as no two are augmented the same way. The one I had comissioned was my personal imagining of him, cartoony as fuck and nonsensical, but I guess it's fine for people to imagine him they way they want tolike gone by popular demand, it seems
>>43521837
the three Getter Emperor machines are the size of planets in this picture, all the other getters save shin getter are anywhere from city-sized to planetoid
>>43521864
And I just realized Getter Emperor Eagle has three separate faces.
>>43521910
in other shots he actually has way more, references to getters previous to when this pic was shown in the manga, as well as references to getters that would appear in future stories, as the Emperor takes place an uncertain ammount of time in the future when basically the getters and getter rays assume direct control of humanity.
But it's okay because >INFINITYYYYYY
>>43520389
>"Do they work in the lore? Y/N" and "Is their creator still around? Y/N"
That could probably be done through a strawpoll, just to make sure no anon has to maintain a spreadsheet or something.
>>43523617
There doesn't need to be a poll or popularity contest or whatever you think there needs to be. It doesn't matter which snowflakes are super well liked and which ones aren't if they all work in the lore.
>>43523715
I meant more that we could set up a strawpoll with the question being "Please select your flake, if you are still active and still want them on the sheet," rather than needing someone to compile a list of the sound-off.
>>43524252
Oh, that makes sense.
But make it easy on everyone involved:
"Please select your flake that you want to keep active"
There, they "vote" their flakesonto the on position.
>>43519532
>If one doesn't belong none of them belong
Sounds like the thinking of a dirty White mana drone to me.
>>43519665
One could say that certain characters such as Nissa or Gideon are shit characters considering other much more interesting walkers of the same colors. But am I wrong for believing some characters are more interesting than others? Or is your active tier setting of what is better discussion than another any better?
I don't know if these are still getting made but I'm postan my flake for critiquepls no bully
>>43525019
Questioning how he obtained Nissa's sword, not the Legendary in the typeline, but other than that pretty good.
>>43525019
>>43525079
I guess I wasn't paying attention with that one, but I fixed it
>>43524912
The quality of snowflakes doesn't matter. More shit or less shit, they're all shit. Meanwhile, Gideon and Nissa are genuine lore things and discussing them is of far more value than bickering about snowflakes.
>>43525892
You do know that all the current Uncharted Realms people are glorified fanfic writers that don't care about the lore at all, while the people making "snowflakes" in some way little or not genuinely care about the world of Magic. You act as though discussing the lore is serious business or something.
>>43526399
More serious than snowflakes. It's what these threads are actually for, while snowflakes are the diversion when there's nothing worth discussing but people want to keep the threads alive anyway.
>>43526399
>bait.jpg
>>43526399
We use the flakes to explore lore at times
>>43525892
Discussing what's going to happen in OGW or SOI involves as much speculation and invention as creating new characters.
>>43500995
Not really on topic, but does anyone have that image where each 4chan board is represented by a magic card?
I've been thinking for a while about lore and I came up with this idea.
We all complain about how the story advances very slowly, but what if we bomb Doug with messages on his Tumblr about doing an Uncharted Realms related thing, like side stories for other characters that aren't even in the radar, like legendary dudes or flashbacks from main characters. Stories that don't interfere with the current arc, things to make current characters or settings (planes) more interesting.
>"While Gideon was whipping and slashing with his sural blade, he remembered when he met a girl on Theros and..."
>"There was a hunter on Shandalar that encounter a giant hydra while taking a piss..."
>"The Orshov priest was surrounded by a goblin mob..."
>"The Leonin was alone fighting the phyrexians when an elf saved his life..."
>"A fisher on Theros was having a good day until a cyclops attacked..."
>"The Angel was flying over Bant when a dragon appear..."
>Etc.
Side stories, tales to make game more rich.
>>43528183
>"for what purpose do you take this form, Bolas?
>>43528752
>>43528183
I gotta wonder, would bolas actually pursue a female form if it meant he could retain a few more memories? I kinda feel like he would
>>43528930
>"i've been able to raise life over the years but never create life, you will aid me in this endeavor"
>>43529140
>He goes to the one person who was able to beat him and is still alive
>Ajani steadfastly refuses.
Who is the Kamen Rider of Magic the Gathering?
>>43528183
>FemBolas has a worse track record than Zosime
Roll 5d123s, those will be the snowflakes tasked to save the multiverse.
how fucked are we?
>>43528183
You need to appreciate just how little attention Doug pays to his askbox.
>>43532222
Nice digits.
Or Maro's tumblr.
>>43530483
.... Ajani.
>yfw Elspeth is actually a Sleeper Agent as part of a Phyrexian program to create a Phyrexian Planeswalker
>>43533515
Wow and I thought people were lying when they said phyrexian fags are the worst.
>>43533515
>yfw Ajani is actually a Slipper Agent as part of a phyrexian program to create a comfy pair of foot warmers
>>43533669
>yfw Sarkhan is actually a Slippery Asian as part of a Bolas program to ruin Tarkir because Fuck Ugin.
>tfw drafted Kamigawa block yesterday and I always had to fight the urge to read the flavor text to my opponents instead of telling them the rules text whenever they had to ask what the cards did
>>43533969
>mfw I'm the only one really into flavor at my flgs and am defaulted to for lore questions.
>>43532237
Maro pays attention to his tumblr. He just gets so goddamn much shit in there that he would literally need to spend his days doing nothing but answering it to get all the questions, and a lot of it is stuff that's been asked before or stuff he can't answer. So he answers the newest chunk when he has the time.
>>43532222
The last question Doug answered was mine: http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/130687579559/here-is-an-idea-for-supplemental-sets-cards-that
I wouldn't mind some more Uncharted Realms but the story team probably has a shitton of work already.
>>43534309
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt it if the reason we're getting a return to Innistrad after a return to Zendikar as the first two blocks of the Two Block Paradigm is because they want to give a bit of lead time to get two blocks worth of world a year, and have the concepting done for returns - they just need to improve and add on to it, rather than start from scratch.
Which is, unfortunately, why both blocks are going to suck ass overall from a lore perspective. Creative is Too Busy.
>>43534373
According to Maro, Return to Innistrad was already planned before the two block paradigm.
Also, I don't think the lore sucks. But they're still trying to get that "flavor through gameplay" thing right. I hope Innistrad will be the block they finally nail that.
>post yfw Avacyn calls in her brothers from another plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDEbsZpweDo
>>43533515
You do know that it's literally impossible for a phyrexian walker to exist right? The spark grants immunity to corruption (The reason tezz got injected was cause he was part robit and that COULD carry oil
>>43536009
>that COULD carry oil
We have to kill Tezzeret before he gets off plane.
>>43536009
What about Karn? He was dripping oil across loads of planes.
>>43537114
It got immunized
>>43537127
Thats cause his eyes were phyrexian things
>>43537144
No, his heart was.
>>43538971
Yup his heartstone was from Xantcha
>>43539550
Nope, heartstone is from Blizzard
>>43539918
That is hearthstone. We are talking about His heartstone , the stone heart he has you mook.
>>43508732
Angels are clones of Razia. Something like SM in 40k I suppose.
>>43540826
So people who play hearthstone are worse than phyrexians?
>>43542513
That's one way to put it.
>>43542590
Well that indeed is something
>>43542590
Good to know
>somewhat new to MTG
>reading about all the different planes and junk
>Mirrodon/New Phyrexia
That's fucking depressing as hell
>>43546461
Not nearly as depressing as all the things Dominaria's suffered.
>>43546461
Wait until you get to Tarkir. At least Mirrodin still happened.
>The Kor did everything wrong edition
Fixed that for you, OP.
>>43547594
I know about Tarkir. Fuck Dragons
>>43548092
>Fuck Dragons
That's exactly what Sarkhan was trying to do.
>Sarkhan
>Sar Khan
>Khan Sar
>Khansar
>Cancer
it all makes sense now
Is there any entity in Magic that could fight the Xeelee?
>>43548296
probably eldrazi could fight them
but there'd need to be a lot more eldrazi than just three
>>43548229
...his birthday is in July?
>>43548296
Bolas, possibly
>yfw Tezzeret shows up on Innistrad to experiment with moonsilver artifice
>>43548896
They are going to need all that moonsilver to make weapons to fight the not-cthulhus.
>>43548896
...why? He doesn't have white in his color identity, so he won't be able to take advantage of its sealing properties, and etherium is better for literally everything else.
>>43549465
>>43549583
That is for the renowned weapon smith
>>43552271
What?
>>43552535
He's renowned for two shitty pieces of equipment.
>>43549465
I am 100% sure that without Bolas he would be full Esper, he represents it as much as Bolas is Grixis colors and Ajani is Naya.and Sarkhan should be Jund.
>>43553657
aside from "time magic" what justification does Sarkhan have for being blue again?
>>43553835
He basically said "Fuck fate, The future is what I MAKE OF IT!" when he put Ugin into the storage land. That is the usually competition between Green and Blue, or something like that.
>>43553887
>Fuck fate, The future is what I MAKE OF IT!
>between Green and Blue
oh really? Is that true? I'd really like to know.
>>43553887
I dunno, man, that sounds like red's gig to me
though, I guess he's red. Green's the most supportive about accepting fate, isn't it?
>>43553929
>>43554047
Again, I'm not too sure.
Green vs Blue is more than science vs nature, it's destiny vs self-potential.
In normal timelines, and even the one Sarkhan witnessed, Ugin always loses to Bolas, it was fated to be that way. Sarkhan even had a crisis of belief because he felt he had no choice but to accept this. Then he decided "No, I will save Ugin." and saved Ugin. "Fuck destiny" And "taking the future into his own hands" are U and B based on how it's presented. I guess it was in a blue way.
>>43554047
Red has no qualms about being told they're destined to do something, so long as you don't force red to actually do it. Red hears "You're destined to slay the dragon" and red says "Eh, then I'll probably end up killing it" and proceeds to wander aimlessly like an RPG protagonist. Black and Blue are the colors that hear "You are destined to slay the dragon" and go "Fuck you, maybe I'll CONTROL the dragon instead. Fucking destiny, always telling me what to do."
>>43554047
The different colors all have different perceptions of fate.
>W
Fate is good and needs to happen if it helps my people, fate is bad and needs to be changed if it works against my people.
>U
Fate is just another tool for me to bend and twist to my whims. The future is mine to shape into perfection.
>B
Fate is the worst. My actions are not predetermined, I am capable of doing whatever I want. I control my destiny, it isn't already written.
>R
I don't even give a fuck. As long I do what I want, I don't care if it's written somewhere, as long as it allows me to do as I please.
>G
Fate means everything, it is the way things are meant to be and we should all live according to fate and nature's demands.
>>43554252
so shouldn't Sarkhan as RUG should have an absolute neutral opinion of fate, rather than a defiant perspective on it?
Could One Punch Man beat the Eldrazi?
>>43554284
yes, that's literally the only thing OPM can do, beat whoever X is in a OPM vs X fight
>>43554283
His blue comes from his defiance of fate. His red comes from his love of dragons and his damn crazy impulsiveness.
I'm terrible at green, someone else can explain it, but basically it boils down to "You don't have to embody every color perfectly, just enough." Especially since you can't even embody enemy colors "perfectly" at all.
>>43554304
>Saitama watches Emrakul descend upon the city
>'This is bad, this is very bad'
>People are screaming and running around
>'I think I left the front door unlocked.'
>>43554283
>>43554326
Black is defiance in the face of fate, blue is the intentional manipulation of fate.
So in Sarkhan's face, he's red because of his impulsive nature and his love for dragons, he's green because of the importance he places on fate and he's blue because of his manipulation of fate. See the Temur shaman stuff for how that works.
>>43554326
thanks for clarifying that for me
Who wins?Big E, right?
>>43554457
emperor's got him on the power levels, but Urza's a crafty fucker and might figure out how to turn E's psionics into a fuel source for some sort of Not!phyrexian death machine and use it against him.
The Emperor would still probably win anyway, but y'know.
>>43500995
Elementals, especially Lorwyn's elementals.
They have the potential to have extremely wacky abilities that just can't be found on other races, and can accommodate other races' abilities if designed properly.
Is Multani the most lore-relevant Elemental, by the way?
>>43554560
Multani can't really be described as lore-relevant while using the present tense, given the whole "dead for over half the lifetime of the game" thing. Even when he was, Titania might have been able to give him a run for his money.
We currently have Ashaya as the Silent Bob to Nissa's Jay. On Lorwyn, we had Ashling. Oh, and there's Omnath, but I don't think he's ever actually been lore-relevant.
>>43554548
If they weren't trapped together until one of them died, Urza could fuck out of the plane 40k takes place on and keep coming back with bigger and bigger things to throw at Emps.
Hell, Urza puts more time into planning than the Emperor does and would probably breed a thousand generations just to make some guy who stabs Emps in the dick.
>>43554647
Omnath might be relevant, because he's right up next to Kozilek as the terrain suggests.
>>43554548
Lets be fair here, to my knowledge, Emps has been fighting tzeencth and the other chaos gods telepathically while on the golden throne. And Tzeench is a crafty guy too, or so they say.
>>43554457
Yawgmoth and the Chaos Gods win, due to their opponents being distracted by a dickwaving contest
I WANT TO MARRY JACE!
>>43554284
Do the Japs actually think this routine is hard? Aside from maybe the 10k.
>>43556991
It's supposed to be a joke
>>43556965
Ral pls
>>43514062
>Also, following this logic means that there were/are/will be 2 more Eldrazi
I'd have to track down the source, but I distinctly remember it being said that there were quite intentionally NOT five Eldrazi Titans specifically to drive home them being outside of color. The color pie pushes us to think of things in terms of five and multiples thereof, and to expect cycles in those numbers, so they set out to disrupt those expectations to add to the alien-ness of the Eldrazi.
>>43556991
>EVERY SINGLE DAY!
No rest days is bad, anon.
>>43558995
What if the A/C isn't working?
