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>Adam Meyers
>6 hrs
>I hereby move that people who hold to RAW (rules-as-written) to such a degree that they destroy games and make things unfun or unusable should be called ogres. (because they RAW'r so much).
>Just like we say 'don't feed the trolls' or 'he's trolling you' when we mean being a jerk, we can say 'stop being an ogre' when we mean don't nitpick the rules, or 'that feat is ogre-bait' when we mean RAW and RAI are clearly different.
What's the ideal build for an item crafting wizard?
>>47907302
>Adam Meyers
>Shrek is voiced by Mike Myers
It's like poetry, it rhymes
once again; I wanna get some feedback on this (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LtYsahSguJ3ZL9FrrRSKkIbXpadawQBtUL6pJQCoAEk/edit) and see if the Mapping Circles ability is totally useless or not.
>>47907436
All the item crafting feats, a Valet familiar, the Hedge Magician trait and Arcane Builder as many times as they can afford.
post archtypes you want to see happen
Guys, how do I Ursa in Pathfinder?
>>47907707
Coldborn skinwalker with pretty much any kind of Natural Weapon build, I guess? I admit, I don't know if the character has any other special abilities besides "is actually a bear".
>>47907703
Gunslinger but his bullets are magic bolts
>>47907727
Hes sort of like a Barbarian if that barbarian had flurry of blows, his ultimate is a rage and he kinda just fucks shit up real hard (if hes close to said thing). also generally has lots of health.
I want to play a heavily armored warrior who can also cast a little bit.Classes that support this?
What are some good excuses for a character to be mad enough to enter the Underdark?
>>47907703
>Ofuda casting warpriest that loses armor proficiencies, and gets similar stuff to the magus card caster archetype to go with it
>"Stealth buff to fighters/rogues" to the Vigilante. Replaces actual vigilante stuff (dual identity, appearance abilities, maybe capstone) with fighter and URogue features so we can finally straight up replace them
>A "magical girl" archetype that isn't absolute dogs but
>Something like the Magus's Kensai, but on the Investigator or Alchemist instead.
>>47907770
Battle Host Occultist might fit the bill
>>47907776
They secretly have a spider fetish
>>47907770
There's paladins and Steelblood bloodragers.
>>47907703
a fighty druid that focuses heavily on shapeshifting.
>>47907806
Bloodrager is perfect
>>47907770
Steelblood Rager is the best. Mirror Image + Haste on Rage.
How to plan for what happens next without making the players feel like they are on a railroad (although not necessarily making actually not be one a railroad)?
>>47907703
A psionic beguiler
>>47907703
Initiating Beguiler.
>>47908159
Simple. You want them to end up at a haunted village controlled by an evil cult? Tell them to go wherever they like, follow whatever road or path. They'll cheerfully do so, and if they invariably end up at the village you wanted them to, hey, how would they ever know?
>>47908236
This; however, one must carefully maintain the illusion of choice in order to keep a sense of player agency.
You can specifically build forking points too if you have the time, but use those to insert optional encounters and goodies as rewards for your players seeking them out; these can also be constructed in such a manner as to be as versatile as possible, for instance; bandits holding a hostage makes sense whether it's in a forest, town or ruined castle.
>>47907765
Barbarian with the Animal Totem powers, then? Or maybe a Ranger with a Natural Weapons focus?
Is there a spell that will let me conjure up pillows or something similarly comfy?
>>47907703
Abjuration and force spell based mystic with a focus on Iron tortoise. Make it so warder isn't the only one who uses it, and we get another tank class.
Is the anon working on that initiating bloodrager around? I'd like to take a look.
Why don't we see more dwarf druids, /pfg/?
>>47908571
DORF HATE TREEEEEEEE
>>47908571
We had one in our campaign. The other dwarf in our party was really dismayed that she didn't act like a proper dwarf, in his opinion, a situation that was further compounded when I brought in a new PC in the form of the most dwarven elf to ever exist.
>>47908603
But Dorf could love cave, and has plenty to tell "nature is only tree" elf about the intricate ecosystems of the places that aren't tree
>>47908603
>>47908779
But Cave Druid are druid too? And Goliath Druid are mostly Dwarf right?
>>47908779
>"Bearddamnit, "Ellerellerilithil the Dawnflower" is Dwarfier than you are! What the aleing fuck?"
As of bestiary 5, there are 11 different races of fiend, each with lots of sub-races. Most are very niche to me and the text makes them more similar than different.
Do we really need all these divisions or could we fold some of them together?
>>47908800
>this much dorftism
And people wonder why no one wants to play a dwarf after faggots keep shitting about bad Scottish accents and retarded worship of beards and alcohol. Fuck off.
>>47908832
wow. someone can't take a joke.
>>47908861
It's a bad joke.
>>47908861
Jokes are funny, anon.
>>47908800
The elf's name was Urist, actually.
>>47908823
Kytons should either be a kind of devil or Zon-Kuthon's servitor race, rather than their own race.
Divs and demodands should be demon subraces.
>>47908901
>The elf's name was Urist
And that is a Dwarven name... How?
>>47908918
Dwarf Fortress.
>>47908928
So his understanding of what it means to be a Dwarf revolves around video-games?
>>47908918
cuck detected
>>47907053
Fyi: Traps have a DC of 20 at first level because you *always* want to take 20 when disabling traps. The only reason you don't take 20 is when you're in combat.
>>47905040
Well, we can't get together every week, we don't all live in the same city anymore. So we get together for a weekend, once a month.
And we're lucky if a campaign lasts a year.
Now:
>1/3 of 32 hours is 10.67 hours per weekend, tops (probably less, because odds are well also play a bit of mtg or go out for food or something between campaigns). But let's be very generous and call it 10.67. no breaks, no movies, no variety, just solid RPG gaming the whole weekend.
>10.67 hours a month averages out to 2.67 hours a week. This is less than 4-5 hours.4.5 hours a week is 168.75% of the most generous estimate of how much time my campaign gets.
If I can cover a reasonable level range in a year, with 60% your campaign time or less (realistically probably 2/3 of that 60%, for a total of like, 40% of your 4.5h weekly session), then so can you, if you decide you want to.
>>47905106
>Nobody runs the campaign I want to play.
Nobody runs the campaign I want to play either. So I GM it myself, and then at least it exists.
Let me know if you find a reliable way to get a GM to run what you want to play.
Plus, if you run higher level campaigns rather than staying at one, you're seeing a precedent for your group, making it easier to justify not starting 1 next time.
>>47909084
Except you can't take 20 with traps because a bad enough failure would have a detrimental effect.
>>47905561
Pros and cons of pathfinder over other d&d
Advantages:
>More character options
>High power level
>Most compatible adventures or of any edition
>Good monster manuals.
>Better at than the other guys.
>Rules are legally online for free and better presented than can ever be managed with books or PDFs.
>DSPs classes are neat, and not really available in other editions.
Disadvantages
>Lots of Trap options you want to avoid, including entire character classes and races.
>Still uses alignment.
>WBL and having the gear you want is critical to being any good for most characters, despite most GM's ignoring the WBL rule because they don't want to give people enough gear.
>Shitty GM's starting you at L1 over and over such that you never get to play a character who's actually powerful.
>GMing advice is crap in the books, what works and doesn't is something you figure out via word of mouth and trial and error. This results in lots of crappy GM's.
>>47909100
Oh. Youre right, I'm thinking locks. traps are just unusually difficult
Can I put firearm on Ioun Wyrd familiar via modify construct rule? What about a newly created Ioun Wyrd?
Is there an easier way to create Bit/Funnel?
>>47909117
Several of these points really depend on the GM.
>WBL and having the gear you want is critical to being any good for most characters, despite most GM's ignoring the WBL rule because they don't want to give people enough gear.
I can't speak for other GMs here, but my party usually ends up over the WBL because there are so many cool magic items I want to give out as loot. Not necessarily +whatever upgrades - one of my party's favourite items is a pair of gloves that allow you to use the Message cantrip at will.
>Shitty GM's starting you at L1 over and over such that you never get to play a character who's actually powerful.
Is that Pathfinder's fault? Maybe you should just find a non-shitty GM.
>>47909218
You can also awaken the weapon itself as a robot construct at which point you just need to program its responses/orders and give it flight
>>47909218
what IS the point of an Ioun Wyrd familiar, as opposed to just having the rocks around you?
>>47909255
Which spell is that? Awaken Construct only work on construct right? Do I need to use Permanency Animated Object on it first?
>>47909287
Blindsight.
>>47909287
> Ioun stones have AC 24, 10 hit points, and hardness 5.
it's freaking easy to destroy Ioun stones orbiting around your head, especially if your GM is a dick.
>>47909378
You can also put them into way finders and graft them into yourself as implants.
Just sayin'
>>47909445
* Those are separate options, you're not grafting way finders into yourself.
>>47909459
Why not?
>>47909459
>Not tattooing wayfinders onto your body and grafting Ioun Stones into the pattern
Step it upreal talk, I wish there were more decent official wondrous tattoos. Also that spell tattoos weren't such hit steaming wastes of gold normally.
>>47907258
apparently this is a top tier bard spell, /pfg/. why is it so good? what can it be used for?
>>47909445
>>47909470
"Mommy, why does that man have a compass in her forehead? He can't even use it without laying on the ground and holding up a mirror!"
"He's an adventurer, dear."
>>47909518
Who says it's a top-tier bard spell? It seems shit to me.
>>47909546
It's useful in that you could do quite a bit of things with it for only a first level spell. You're limited by your imagination and your DM
>>47909117
>Still uses alignment.
But that's not a negative, it's a neutral. Faggots not understanding how it works is a problem independent of the game system.
>>47909518
>>47909546
Bard has limited spell known. This spell is very versatile and can be use in many way.
I don't actually care about Ioun Stone. I just want my damn Funnels.
>>47909574
I don't like that "detect alignment, and smite alignment" abilities exist. Means everyone needs non detection you want the pcs to not immediately know they're the bad guys evil.
This in addition to idiots not knowing how they work.
>>47908914
>Divs should be demon subraces
Why demons rather than daemons?
>>47909601
That's not a funnel, you dolt!
>>47909518
It's a crappy immovable rod, taking up a first level spell.
I'd rather buy some pitons for that.
>>47909623
> nondetection
> not lead-lining cloak
>>47909640
Because they fit the destructive tendencies of demons rather than the nihilistic tendencies of daemons.
(Also I thought they were CE.)
>>47909601
Always liked the holo-versions myself
>>47909623
Actually many classes have no such ability and those that do can't use them all the time.
I don't mean "spells per day" that's never a real limit I mean you need to glare and concentrate as, say, a paladin, in order to do this: it's obvious, it's at least rude if not outright hostile, and it can be very misleading.
>>47909696
Right, because the guy in a lead lined cloak and lead lined face mask doesn't seem suspicious at all.
>>47909775
A stand-up a few weeks ago made a damn good point about that.
We keep getting told to report anyone suspicious, as if some kids cartoon villain was laughing maniacally while tiptoeing towards some objective.
What we get is a ton of secretly-scared people suspiciously glaring and leering at everyone around them nervously.
Which looks fucking suspicious.
>>47909759
Misleading how?
Yes it's rude, but paladin's do it all the time.
Can we trust you? Scan for evil.
Hmm. I'm not Sure I believe you about _____. Scan for evil.
What, you don't like it? If you're not evil you have no reason to worry.
>>47909759
First off, after an argument I've had to the Nth degree with two different GM's, no, it isn't. It might be a glare or it might be a furrow of the brow or a vacant expression, all it really shows is that you're concentrating really hard on something. Not the best start to a diplomatic relation if you do it in someone's face, but all the same it's not something that broadcasts "I'm Detecting Evil on you", even if they know you're a Paladin and they suspect what you might be doing. Further, alignment as an absolute only exists as a game system abstraction- otherwise, why not get the local Paladins to do a routine scan and eliminate anyone who pings "too" evil? That's right, because it's a retarded thing to do.
Outside of fringe cases like figuring out the local abbot is a Cultist of Asmodeus on the side or discovering the Gilderavn masquerading as a military advisor in court, Detect (X) tells you jack and shit from a diplomatic perspective.
>>47909818
>If you're not evil you have no reason to worry.
Lawful Evil detected. Activating smite evil...
Why would you ever roll a strength check to break something when you can just attack it?
>>47909623
Just because someone's a tremendous asshole doesn't mean you cut them down in the street. Detection =/= conviction.
>>47909818
Good can lie just as much.
in fact, "keep to your word" has far more to do with the law/chaos axis.
>>47910003
Because you're too weak and cuckish to deplete its HP quickly enough?
Can you stack Brutal Slayer Stalker with any other archetypes/class templates?
>>47907703
Pro Wrestler, forever and always
>>47909988
Paladin detects as good.
But yeah. Alignment detection ranges from not commonly used, to disruptive.
>>47910003
Dramatic purposes, or the inevitable "we take away your gear and put you in chains" segment.
>>47910019
It stacks with Bushi. Meaning you can grab a falchion or nodachi, get the oversized weapon thing for tieflings, and then proceed to quickdraw it for MAXIMUM WEEB BULLSHIT.Fuck I want to play a Brutal Bushi Stalker, but I can never find groups that will allow PoW for some ungodly reason.
>>47910031
Wrong. Anyone who says that is automatically evil.
>>47910030
Speaking of wrestlers, what archetypes is closest to it
>>47910114
Tetori monk?
>>47910114
Strangler Brawler?
>>47910060
It's a nice idea, but short of a page number for a published rule saying as much, I'm gonna call that a house rule.
>>47909705
>Because they fit the destructive tendencies of demons rather than the nihilistic tendencies of daemons
You could also argue them as demons of envy. (The alignment pidgeonholing is stupid, IMO)
>>47910060
Do PR for the FBI lately?
Not that they actually want to catch people about to do attacks, THOSE they need to keep grabbing power.
I'm going to be playing the DSP succubus class and I saw that, by level 8, I should have 34 Charisma. What am I even supposed to do with all of that? Just take 12 levels of Sorcerer and enjoy my massive save DCs?
>>47910030
I want something that lets me us this as character art.
>>47910756
>take Noble Scion feat for Cha to initiative
>Dip 1 level oracle, 2 levels paladin/antipaladin, 1 level Vigilante, rest into something like warlord I dunno
>dump everything into pumping CHA
>Cha to initiative, AC, saves, and a pool of rerolls to saves/cha skills equal to your Cha mod
>>47908823
I would definitely fold together some of those that aren't demon, daemons or devils. There's too many other families of fiends, and not enough variety within these families. I'd merge Asuras and Rakshasas, they're both Lawful Evil fiends from Indian mythology. Maybe Sahkils could be merged with Kytons, they a similar aesthetic.
>>47909518
It's not good, but I love the cartooniness of it.
What sort of evolutions should I be looking at if I want to build my eidolon in the image of the almighty vilderavn?
Question for ya. Not necessarily a rules question so much as a role-play question:
What do you do when an NPC causes your character to perceive something via illusion magic (and you fail the save to disbelieve) that your character knows is impossible (for example, seeing and hearing the voice of your 5-year old daughter when you haven't seen her for 20 years)?
I have failed to disbelieve it, so I believe the voice and image in front of me are real, but my character knows his daughter would be 25 by now, and not only would it be impossible for her to be before him in this form (excluding vampirism, which would probably be the first guess if he couldn't figure out his mind was being messed with), it might also be highly unlikely for the two of them to run into each. The world is pretty big, after all.
Especially troubling if the character is one who is a very Sherlocke Holmes type character. Would it be reasonable to say my character probably knows it's an illusion, even though he sees it, or does that violate the "failed to disbelieve" portion?
Is there anything that benefits from having a high initiative, and how would you min-max initiative?
>>47911014
>a character faced with proof that an illusion isn't real needs no saving throw
>>47911014
He knows it's fake, he just doesn't care.
Why? Because as fake as it is, it's still a chance to hear the voice of his daughter and talk to "her", if not just for a few minutes.
>>47911066
Is there anything that DOESN'T?
>Less likely to be flatfooted
>More likely to go against things that are
>Anything you kill, knock-out, disable or otherwise prevent the actions of mitigates damage/effects against your party
>>47911109
I meant anything with a direct mechanical benefit, sorry if I was unclear. Like "for every 5 of your initiative roll, X happens."
>>47911014
He'd know there's something weird going on like a particularly convincing shapeshifter or a ghost or something. He would not necessarily know for certain that it's an illusion.
>>47911085
That works for failed saves against some of the mind-affecting types, which 'force' it on you anyways.
If it's just a figment or phantasm though, you can get through. You do need hard proof; and it still appears as a translucent image you can 'pretend' to interact with.
>>47911125
If there is I don't know any, and they'd be dangerous as fuck; you already get so much from "going first"...
>>47911084
>a character faced with proof that an illusion isn't real needs no saving throw
I would think the proof would be seeing his actual daughter before him, or seeing her corpse, something of that nature.
Otherwise, your character wouldn't be affected by an illusion of an enemy he has killed in the past, such as a rival, even though he knows that there are spells and other means of returning to life after death.
>>47911085
I like this suggestion a lot. Really good job on that one, anon.
>>47911127
So I don't, for example, have to throw myself at the illusion, crying and weeping, breathe a sigh of relief and try to embrace it, or even follow it. I could be suspicious of it, even treat it with hostility because of my character's personal knowledge of who the illusion is imitating?
>>47911014
Thats why the gm rolls the will save for disbelief and not the player.
>Here is your daughter, for some reason she hasn't age a day.
Let him fill the blanks.
>>47910756
>Caster class.
>Stops at 8.
Better hope you only play low level campaigns.
>>47911265
Gestaaaaaaaalt
>>47911085
Like repeatedly listening to a voice mail your dead wife left you.
>>47911278
>Playing Gestalt with one side the DSP Succubus monster class
>mfw the absolute monster you've created
Be a fey or arcane sorcerer on one side, then see >>47910802 for how to continue the succubus side. Put ALL your eggs into the Cha basket.
>>47911278
And what do you do with your gestalt after level 8?
>>47909445
>graft them into yourself as implants.
That's actually a pretty long and hard process as a non charisma class.
>>47911331
Succubutts 8 / Oracle 12 // Sorcerer 20
The Monkey Style feat looks good.
Is it good?
Should I take it? It fits into my Stalker build pretty well.
Thoughts?
>>47911278
>Implying any sane GM is gonna let you gestalt a monster class
>>47911176
>So I don't, for example, have to throw myself at the illusion, crying and weeping, breathe a sigh of relief and try to embrace it, or even follow it. I could be suspicious of it, even treat it with hostility because of my character's personal knowledge of who the illusion is imitating?
Basically. Though in this particular example where the character in question has no idea what happened to his daughter, depending on the state of mind he's in and the general situation, he might let himself be fooled - it's a high fantasy setting, there could be several ways for someone to not age a day in 20 years, like time travel or some sort of stasis(like http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/temporal-stasis )
GM's letting me swap the feat my Owl Sage Familiar gets with something else it meets the prerequisites for.
Should I get Dilettante?
Also, what are some cheap wondrous items I could buy for it?
I want it to be a Pokedex for identifying monsters.
>>47911014
You see her, but an illusion that doesn't have the mind-affecting descriptor doesn't turn your rational mind off. You'll definitely know that there's some sort of funny business going on. You might not immediately jump to the conclusion of it being an illusion, but you would likely be very skeptical of the apparition.
>>47911423
Yeah, it's definitely situational and character dependent.
>>47911377
>>47910802
Eh. I suppose that works okay in a gestalt game. No good for a regular game though.
Is there any way for an oracle to get access to two mysteries or to take revelations from another mystery?
>>47911664
There's a 3pp feat called Strange Revelation.
>>47911664
There used to be, but it got erratad. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-revelation
>>47911337
Our party does it easily because we have one ioun stone that eliminates the need to eat or drink (I forget which one that is, I want to say the nacreous gray sphere) that we don't implant but instead lend to whichever PC is fasting to attune themselves the the ioun stone they do want implanted, allowing them to get to the max +5 bonus and have endless retries on the check without having to break their fast. To further push it, I have a cohort with the Inexplicable Luck and Bestow Luck feats, allowing him to give someone a +8 bonus on any d20 roll once/day. With the collective +13 bonus on the check, even my PC (who only has a CHA of 11) will eventually pass the check to attune the ioun stone.
>>47911492
Celestial Obedience Lymnieris
>>47911492
When given the chance, I like to give familiars the Cosmopolitan feat so they gain the ability to speak (and a couple class skills, whatever).
>>47911779
I'm not really seeing how that would be useful, anon.
You sure you meant Lymnieris?
What does Cold Iron Weapons do?
I just searched the book for answers and all it says is that demons are vulnerable to it but it doesnt say how much extra damage or extra rolls or extra anything i get by using it.
Someone told me Cold Iron weapons could negate all DR from Demons and such but i dont see anything from that listed anywhere.
>>47912378
Look at any demon's stat block and you'll see DR XX/cold iron and good. That means that they'll take less damage from any weapon that isn't cold iron or good aligned.
>>47912378
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon
Here's some demons.
See how they've got DR/Cold Iron?
Cold Iron weapons bypass that.
>>47912378
Cold iron weapons are also effective at bypassing the DR of fey creatures.
>>47912415
>DR XX/cold iron and good
This means that the weapon has to be both Cold Iron and Good-aligned. Either on its own won't bypass the DR. If it said DR XX/cold iron OR good, it could be either one to work
>>47910819
>demon, daemon
Those are practically the same. The same name except for an autistic extra letter, both like destroying everything. Seriously, the sahkil are more unique.
>merge Asuras and Rakshasas, they're both Lawful Evil fiends from Indian mythology.
But they don't even remotely have the same motivation. Asuras are omnicidal (along with half the other fiends) but Rakshasa are only interested in hedonism. Like, you know, Oni. Rakshasa and Oni are both earthbound evils driven by hedonism. How are they not the same?
Although asuras, gigas, titans, and demodands all have the shared antipathy toward the gods. The word asura is often translated as titan.
>Maybe Sahkils could be merged with Kytons, they a similar aesthetic.
Kytons are Hellraiser rip-offs who take people to hell to torture them, the Sahkils terrorize and feast on fear. Sounds more like daemons to me.
So I've got some idea for consolidation:
Rakshasa <=> Oni
Div => Demons of envy, ex-genies, counterpart of nemesis devils
Daemon => Sahkil, personifications and consumers of fear and death
That's three down, leaving 8 total.
Does anything stop an Elementalist Wizard from taking Opposition Research to negate his single opposed school?
>>47912489
You're right. Good thing I both read and typed wrong and it does say cold iron or good.
Is there a link for the dsp succubus class? Or did I miss it in the pastebin?
Looking for a magic item to shore up my knowledges.
Is a +INT item really my best bet?
I just want some cheap trinket that grants a bonus to knowledge checks.
GM ruled that masterwork tools don't work with knowledge, so...
>>47912491
>demon, daemon
>Those are practically the same.
The motivation is superficially similar. Demons want to destroy, tempt, and wreak havoc. They enjoy breaking shit, but they're essentially just around to enjoy themselves.
Daemons, meanwhile, are nihilists. they want to the world to end. Demons do not want that, as it'd mean an end to their fun.
>>47912591
It's a piece of shit, broseph.Pinnacle and pit inside here: http://pastebin.com/YGQEuzz8
>>47912667
Thank you kindly anon.
>>47912667
But anon, it's notyour waifu.I'm sorry the joke was sitting right there.
>>47912703
Gareth, stop making fun of yourself.
You published a poorly balanced piece of shit, just admit it already, my waifu isn't related to that in any way or form.
>>47912630
Do you really need a different category for each minor difference in motivation?
Paizo daemons have always mostly seemed like watered down demons to me.
>>47912732
In the event of a doomsday scenario, you can count on demons to actually help fight against the daemons, rather than join them.
That's enough distinction for me.
>>47911934
I don't know what level you're at but at high levels it is pretty good as you now have a familiar that is intelligent and capable of doing things on its own at level 16. If you are low levels then extra traits is seriously the best feat you could choose, as there are a lot of good choices for traits(I personally enjoy Self-Sacrifice and Combat Training if 3PP allowed or Self-Sacrifice and Forbidden Knowledge if not.
>>47912749
That is a faction distinction. I'm not sure it justifies the creature type distinction.
>>47912826
One does not choose to become a demon or a daemon, generally.
It's not really a faction.
>>47912667
>Emancipated dryad
>No tree folk companion, or even shrubbery companion.
>Spellcasting Satyr
>Bard spells.
>Doesn't count as Bard levels for spellcasting if you multiclass Bard.
>Spellcasting Succubus
>Cleric spells (really, not sorcerer?)
>2/3 casting, like war priest
>Doesn't count as cleric OR Oracle OR was priest levels for spellcasting if you multiclass. Have to start getting more level 1 slots again.
I wouldn't care about this if these classes went to 20, by they don't, so you're gonna have to multiclass.
I am disappoint.
>>47912826
retarded cuck detected
>>47912717
Did you just admit he's your waifu?
>>47912983
>Did you just admit he's your waifu?
>reading comprehension
>>47912983
>Retarded Cuck
I'm just saying a subtype of demon would work just as well. No need to get so butthurt.
>>47912998
>your waifu is shit
>don't make fun of yourself
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>47913018
Welp, then I officially suck at writing words.
>>47912974
If you page back to the rules for how monster classes work, you will see this:
>Some monster classes, such as the hound archon and succubus, allow the character to trade their native spell-like abilities for a spellcasting progression. If such a character later gains levels in a spellcasting class of the same type (arcane, divine, or psychic), the character can opt to continue the progression of their monster class, rather than gaining spells from the new class. The character gains new spells per day and an increase in caster level and spells known as if he had also gained a level in their monster class (even if the monster class does not have that many levels). This replaces the new class’ spellcasting progression in its entirety, including the ability to use spell completion and spell-trigger items as a member of that class. A class that only casts spells at a later level than 1st (such as the ranger) only stacks the levels where it gains spellcasting.
Unrelatedly, we've just now added a pair of new archetypes to the Fool's Errand playtest. This is likely the last of the New Stuff for that project, as pagecount has been pretty much maxed, but here is a link to a PoW Vigilante and Brawler:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWw7bVMARxrXfRuOW20NlRqXEnS_XGLPT6LHTbz2qME/edit#heading=h.fr0xm36g4eum
>>47913055
Can you guys just sit down and make like 50 discipline combo feats already?
You keep teasing us by adding a few here and there. C'mon.
>>47907258
how do i shrek in pathfinder
>>47913055
Ah. My bad.
That makes a big difference. Still sad about the lack of treat cohorts on dryad, but they seem quite playable at the latter levels now. Interesting solution to the problem.
>>47913151
You tell people that if they take issue with badly written rules, they're "ogres"
>>47912826
I prefer a faction approach rather than a species approach.
>>47912856
I think it would give more variety to turn the races of fiends into factions. We don't need an entire over-race for every imaginable niche.
>>47913055
Hey Forrest. I've mentioned this before, but you guys should do a pets and cohorts book, giving animal companions, familiars, and eidolons to different classes, and ideally making an evolution point buy companion that you can build into anything you have the points for, including taking different creature types.
I would happily pay for such a product (if only so I don't need homebrew one)
>>47913204
Is there a reference I'm missing here?
>>47913293
Yes, the OP.
>>47913293
>>47913308
The facebook post is gone now. It was by Adam Meyer, the Spheres of Power guy.
"I hereby move that people who hold to RAW (rules-as-written) to such a degree that they destroy games and make things unfun or unusable should be called ogres. (because they RAW'r so much).
Just like we say 'don't feed the trolls' or 'he's trolling you' when we mean being a jerk, we can say 'stop being an ogre' when we mean don't nitpick the rules, or 'that feat is ogre-bait' when we mean RAW and RAI are clearly different."
>take succubus monster class
>pick up enchanting courtesan PrC after that
>>47913342
I prefer to say "that feat is badly written"
People argue RAI to try and get an interpretation that's beneficial to them or detrimental to someone else.
When people argue so much about RAW, it's either because there's assholes trying to pretend the rule is something that isn't written, or because something's not properly covered (a hole in the rules), or because the rule's wording is unclear or outright fucked up.
Much of this is not the people's fault, that's the developers faults. Why should there be derogatory terms for someone if all they do is try to correct a bad understanding - or worse yet a deliberate misunderstanding? Not everyone arguing about RAW is trying to be That Guy.
Sometimes the argument is RAI vs RAW (thanks, paizo FAQs and "errata"), while other times you find That Guys saying "don't nitpick" or "just houserule it" about glaring fucking holes or screwups in the rules.
>>47913466
>because the rule's wording is unclear or outright fucked up.
>comprehensive education human ART
Question /pfg/. If I am a Neutral aligned Wizard can I cast any alignment based spells (such as infernal healing) and if I do will it result in alignment change?
>>47913505
No.
>>47913466
It's referring only to people who shit everything up with it.
Although I *can* see one point; I can imagine if the term spreads it would quickly be used as an ad-hominem when you've passed off some fuckery as being the rules and someone tries to call you on it after you've gotten the table on your side; something I've seen happen often over the years, in particular at FLGS'
>>47913505
If you are a neutral aliogned wizard then you have no sense of right and wrong
>being an ogre about ogres
>>47913571
Hence why I am casting both evil and good spells
>>47913151
>shrek
Orc Warder using Fools Errand.
>>47913221
>tfw no eidolon customizations that give them maneuvers
>>47913640
>Implying Shrek wouldn't be all about Primal Fury
>>47913663
>Rangers get to have a kung-fu tiger but you can't have a humanoid eidolon that can initiate maneuvers
>>47913692
Good.
>>47913692
What about that feat chain?
>>47913663
Eidolons get feats. Use them.
>>47913524
Yes you can cast. No consequences.
>>47914017
I'm lazy and tired, I answered the last question and forgot there was a first one. "No" was to the "will it affect my alignment".
I'm trying to build one of those "I have just the thing for this" characters.
I have a whole bunch of cheap (sub 200) alchemical and mundane crap bought up.
What scrolls, potions, wands, and cheap (1000gp or less) wondrous items would you recommend?
So far the only thing I've got that isn't worn gear is a Wand of Infernal Healing.
>>47914097
https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Bag_Full_of_Knick_Knacks,_Scaling_(3.5e_Feat)
>>47914097
I think it's called Brilliant Planner? Feat gives you a pool of cash for goods or services you happened to arrange ahead of time.
>>47914097
Expeditious Retreat, Obscuring Mist, Invisibility, Enlarge Person.
>>47914043
>my dm does alignment as some mechanical thing
>to maintain true neutral i have to perform evil and good every day
>mfw
So hey /pfg/ is there anyway for my "friend" to play a goo/slime/ooze person (girl)? I heard whispers before that Dreamscarred was planning or at least joking on making it unless I'm crazy.
>>47914155
No no, you can also do neutral, or nothing at all! Just make sure your good deeds and evil deeds balance out.
Does the combination of Martial Charge and Greatsword Battler allow you to combine Strike maneuvers with Vital Strikes when you charge?
>>47914227
Does that Paladin have a cup of coffee on her fucking tunic?
What are some non-trait ways to get my UMD up?
The ship has sailed on traits and I can't justify getting Extra Traits.
I've already got a masterwork tool.
>>47914234
I think that was the April Fool's Day release?
>>47914337
Skill Focus?
>>47914318
Yes.
>>47914337
Get a Wand of Improve Use Magic Device.
It's only on the Druid's spell list though.
>>47914394
That's pretty janky. I'll be putting that, along with Furious Focus, on my primal disciple.
>>47914404
>Improve Use Magic Device.
what
>>47914341
Yeah, DSP made a gelatinous cube monster class that had a feat for taking humanoid form.
>In order to UMD a scroll you need to make two checks
Why the fuck do people bother making scrolls of shit you can potionize, exactly?
>>47914329
It makes sense in context, but yes.
>>47914598
To spite non-CHA-based martials.
>>47914598
Because not all people with Scribe Scroll also have Brew Potion.
>>47914598
Cheaper
>>47914227
>>47914329
Adherent to the caffeine god?
>>47909117
Thanks for that, yours was the answer I was really looking for.
I find the setting to be amazingly interesting too, so many real-world parallels pumped full of drugs and fantasized.
>>47914678
I mean, it IS Gareth's work.
>>47914227
What is wrong with you
>>47907703
a -good- magic archer.in any system
>>47909117
>WBL and having the gear you want is critical to being any good for most characters, despite most GM's ignoring the WBL rule because they don't want to give people enough gear.
You know PF Unchained not only fixed that, but gave you multiple options to fix it with?
>>47914896
Elemental Flux Mystic. Eldritch Archer Magus.Gambler Kineticist with a conductive bow.
>>47914921
>Elemental flux mystic
que?
can't find.
>Eldritch Archer Magus
>gains perception
>loses use magic device
Why.
reading through that now, though.
>spoiler
will check out as well.
current Dm is fairly cool with letting new characters start with what they want, as long as it's not lv1, and he actually knows what people want as loot, if we do join at 1.
of the 3, which do you like best?and why
>>47914678
Spoilers, sadly. You can read the story for free on our site if you care to.
>>47915005
>>Elemental flux mystic
>que?
DSP content, Path of War: Expanded.
Is the anon who wrote that initiating vitae bloodrager around? I was hoping to take a look
>>47915081
>DSP content, Path of War: Expanded.
Sorry, i'm rather new.
Is dreamscarred press stuff something most Gm's would allow?
>>47915131
No, most GMs are idiots.
>>47915131
I believe that most GMs dislike 3rd party content. However, I also believe that most GMs who can be swayed to look at 3rd party content would allow DSP material, as it is usually somewhat decent and offers interesting options.
>>47915131
It's what most GMs arguably /should/ allow, but unfortunately it's more of a 30/70 split on those that like it/hate it when running games.
>>47915131
Most GMs would not allow it. Most of the people on /pfg/ would, because /pfg/'s primary hobby is circlejerking about DSP.
>>47915202
>>47915172
>>47915164
>>47915158
ah, alright.
Guess If I were to make one I'd keep one of his other two options as an immediate secondary sheet, then, yeah?
>>47915244
Eldritch Archer is pretty decent, all told. Do you know what the rest of the party is?
>>47915202
>tfw DSP has ruined pathfinder for me
I literally can't enjoy myself if I'm using a Paizo class.
>>47913221
>>47913055
Akashic mysteries has a great animal companion archetype to make the animal companion an veilweaving legendary creature. I would like to see some psionic wolves, robotic cats, and other cool shit. Maybe options for an akashic familiar, robotic familiar, or psionic familiar (in place of psicrystal?). Like the rats from the new Voltron psychically bonded to the princess.
>>47915277
You should give Vigilante a solid try, desu.
It's a genuinely bad concept with a genuinely amazing execution.
>>47915265
yeah, but I already came up for a character for this current campaign.
if mine dies, or if I start another campaign is when I'd roll up one of those 3, or eldritch archer. I'm actually already reading it in another tab.
>>47915131
Many GMs do, many don't.
Anyone who plays as "PFS best rules" will want nothing to do with any 3rd party materials.
Many those who love caster supremacy as it is want nothing to do with 3rd party materials.
And no small number believe CRB is best balance, and if that's best balance anything 3rd party is obviously broken.
However, many house groups and online groups happily allow it as well. Plenty of games out there that want T3/4, and thus will sooner ban core rogue and wizard/druid/cleric/oracle than any of the DSP stuff.
Balancewise, Psion/Wilder are T2, and pretty much everything else DSP is tier 3 or 4. Balancewise there's *usually* not much to worry about.
>>47915352
>one of those 3
>or eldritch archer
>which is one of those 3
Anyways, good luck desu
>>47915405
>banning core rogue
what
it's t4 for unchained, and t5 in both the tier lists in the pastebin.
>>47915462
Sorry, must be tired, thought he meant the mystic archer/elven archer from KBP
Thanks famalam.
>>47915498
That's what he meant. If you're going for T3/T4 you ban overpowered and underpowered characters.
let's assume every "big" outsider faction (inclusing Qlippoth) engaged with each other in one big cataclysmic planar war. Who would come out on top? For factions with infighting, they band together and stop stabbing each other in the back.
>>47915632
blood war pls go
>>47915632
A bunch of material plane creatures being led by four humanoids.
>>47915632
Qlippoth, most likely.
What we've seen of the is the hillbilly Qlippoth that live on the edge of their territory; we have absolutely no idea what kinds of horrors lie closer to the bottom of the abyss. There may be more Qlippoth then every other faction combined.
>>47915632
>>47915787
The way I read it, it felt like Demons could only fuck with the Qlippoth because the Qlippoth are incapable of organizing.
If a Synth Summoner took a 1 level dip in fighter, would his BAB increase while fused?
>>47916010
No, a Synthesist uses their Eidolon's BaB
How useful is a breath weapon for a PC?
My GM's giving me a 2d6 30 foot line electricity breath weapon (DC 19 Ref for half) for his homebrew Not!Kobold race.
At level 6, 2d6 with a save for half seems pretty crap. Am I wrong?
>>47916044
p much
>>47916070
I can probably bargain out some different bronze dragon related racials.
Got any suggestions?
>>47916096
Fog Cloud. CL (Duration) = HD
>>47916010
I'd rule that you could use your BAB if it ended up being greater than the eidolon, but the fighter level wouldn't affect the eidolon's BAB.
>>47915739
Underrated post.
>>47916126
Okay, that's cool as heck.
He'll probably allow it.
Now, how can I get mistsight or somethin' else for piercing my own fog cloud...
Do outsiders remember their past lives?
>>>47914782
>People recommending Dwarves
>Nobody telling OP to play a PoW class or Beguiler instead
I feel like that post is some kind of bizarro /pfg/ thread.
