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>US Soccer Bans Headers For Players Under 11 To Resolve Concussion Lawsuit

http://screamer.deadspin.com/u-s-soccer-bans-headers-for-players-under-11-to-resolv-1741635694

>mfw real football was too tough for weak american genes and they kept getting heem sleepyd just by heading a ball and had to ban it

nice diluted 'genes' you guys have there

>amerifats in charge of playing games without wearing suits of armour.

imagine them trying to play rugby lel

The United States Soccer Federation has taken a major step in an attempt to reduce concussions among youth soccer players, adopting a policy that bans players under 11 from heading the ball and reducing headers in practice for 11 to 13 year olds, the New York Times reports. The new rules—which also include changes to substitutions—are in response to a class action lawsuit, which will now be dismissed.
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>ameriweaks
They'll all develop the turtle technique and everyone will just hoof it up to their Carrolls or Giroud for easy goals
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>>63476303
>ameriweaks
They'll all develop the turtle technique and everyone will just hoof it up to their Carrolls or Giroud for easy goals
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>ameriweaks
They'll all develop the turtle technique and everyone will just hoof it up to their Carrolls or Giroud for easy goals
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Soccer is for pussies in America. We know.
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>amerisues
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>>63476388
Why are americans so overprotective and afraid of everything?
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Literally no American cares because no one gives a fuck about soccer here past the age of 10
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>>63476279
>America actively trying to make soccer even gayer and for even bigger pussies

Sounds about right.
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>According to the original filing in the case, nearly 50,000 high school soccer players sustained concussions in 2010 — more players than in baseball, basketball, softball and wrestling combined.

How does an U-11 ban affect this?
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>>63476279
How the fuck do you get concussions from heading the ball?
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>yfw this is all a ploy to stop hoofball and the US wins the 2030 world cup with a beautiful passing game the likes of which the world has never seen before.
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>>63476513
If you don't head it with your forehead
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>>63476537
>they lose in the final to Big Sam's England
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>>63476537
>winning without hoofball

my sides
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>>63476513
having hollow bones

like a birds bones
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This is retarded scaremongering. 11 year olds can't even kick the ball hard enough to do damage.
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>>63476537

This. You're fucked Englel.
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>deadspin

>>>/trash/
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>>63476279
>mfw
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>>63476457
This.
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I coach under 9s and its standard to play no balls above head height
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>Americans
>Using their heads
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We laugh now but the rest of the world will follow suit if it looks to have an affect
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>>63476417
It's only soccer players. Overprotective helicopter moms make their pussy kids play it so they don't get hurt and now that they realized there are a couple way to get hurt they are eliminating those also.

Soccer is basically a sport for people who don't care about sports in America. Nobody dreams of becoming a soccer star, it just provides fitness and something to do.
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>>63476574
>England
>winning
Nice meme tbf
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>2015
>Americans still doing the b-b-but we don't care shtick
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/sports/soccer/researchers-find-brain-trauma-disease-in-a-soccer-player.html?_r=0
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I'm pretty mad about this actually.

>I'm afraid my pussy-ass kid will get hurt
>instead of just withdrawing him from playing, I have an idea! Let's ruin the sport for everybody!
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>>63476894
>of the millions of people that play football
>one had a brain trauma disease
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>>63476864
It'd literally be guaranteed if we were to host the tournament, Hans. Although that's just as much of a meme.
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>>63476279
Kids play soccer because they aren't coordinated enough to play actual sports that involve thinking
>>63476871
We don't. We would be happy if you all just played soccer and we weren't told to like it
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>>63477020
>because they aren't coordinated enough to play actual sports that involve thinking
So they go play a "sport" that gets stopped every five seconds to put all the players back where they should be?
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>>63477044
rekt
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>>63477044
Yes because they actually have to train for the various plays and techniques. Kids as young as 3 play soccer because it isn't hard to play.
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>>63476871
It's true though, our league's playoffs are happening right now and I'm willing to be less than 5% of the entire population is even aware it's happening.
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All of you clearly developed head trauma as children.
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>>63476998
>It'd literally be guaranteed if we were to host the tournament
>This is what Britfags actually believe
My sides are no more.
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Holly shit, what a bunch of retards
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>>63477067
>Kids as young as 3 play soccer because it isn't hard to play.

It's actually because it's fun.
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>ameripussies

Truly the most beta nation. That's why they need all that padding for handegg.
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>>63476738
>scaremongering
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Why are people getting legitimately angry about this lmao
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>>63477096
No because any derpy 3 year old is able to kick a ball.

They can't hit a baseball without a tee, dribble a ball with their hands, catch, or do anything that requires skill in other sports so kicking a ball around is what they do.
>>63477112
The NFL should get players you sign wavers. Or idiotic to think you won't get hurt in that game.
Joe Theismann didn't sue over his leg
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Tell me about americans. Why do they wear helmets?
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>>63477147
Wait for rubber balls in baseball, no contact football and courtesy lessons in ice hockey.
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>>63477198
>that flag
>caring about this topic
???
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Why don't they just use a lighter ball for under 11s?
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Baseball comeback is on!
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>>63477198
>players allowed to conceal carry to defend themselves against tackles
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>ameripussies
>amerilards
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has anyone here seen actually seen The United States CapriSun Orange Slice Youth Soccer League of America?

That shit is so noncompetitive that the idea that actually are deliberate headers to be banned is the real shocking news of the day.
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>>63477249
yeah if the size 5 is giving them concussions just use a smaller one, this shit is dumb
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>mfw due to medical advances they find out heading the ball causes long term head injuries over time

>mfw they ban it

>mfw manlet uprising
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>>63476417
Because they are afraid of getting sued above all else

NO FUN ALLOWED
NO RISK TAKING ALLOWED
ONLY HUGS NOW
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>>63477262
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>>63477262
kek
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Everyone starts playing soccer when they're 5 and stop when they're 10. This new rule means nothing as very few people over 10 play soccer.
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first, it's not like there's a lot of heading going on in that age group in the first place. the little shits can barely get the ball off the ground, let alone high enough for headers.

second, the only people that actually have to follow this rule are the mls academies and soccer associations run by ussf, everyone else can tell them to fuck off
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>>63476810
underrated post t b h
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>>63476537
>shut it down they KNOW
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>>63477198
>rubber balls in baseball
what is teeball
> no contact football
what is flag football
>courtesy lessons in ice hockey
body checking is prohibited in USA Hockey age 12 and below
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>>63476417

>players constantly dealing with concussions in our most popular sport
>Euros: "Why are Americans such savages, and stupid enough to play an unsafe game?"

>children are told not to head the ball, as it could potentially lead to serious injuries
>Euros: "Why are Americans so sheltered?"
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>>63477044
As opposed to wasting half an hour tossing the ball back and forth
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>>63477882
you dont toss with feet m8. well except when your boyfriend gives you a footjob
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>not using those floaty foam balls or hollow plastic ones

did you even have a childhood?
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So is it officially confirmed that Americans can't handle real football, then?

Maybe ask Petr Cech for a helmet for the kids.
Maybe shoulder pads as well.
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This doesn't mean anything. "US Soccer Federation" isn't some lawmaking program in America. Won't change a thing at your average elementary school soccer program, maybe just for the really rich kids who play travel. I always hated those rich fuckers anyways.
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>>63476279

holy shit im sure literally no one has ever gotten a concussion from heading a soccer ball.

maybe if two players hit heads or something but I was blocking shots with my forehead like a boss when I was 11.
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>>63476279
Why not play with handegg helmets, didn't they do the same with rugby?
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>no more slam dunks for american soccer
why live
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Why not let the kids play futsal instead? No headers, and the kids will grow up with good technique and won't play like clumsy English retards
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>>63479203
Good idea. It doesn't even have to be inddors so new infrastructure isn't an excuse just throw a futsal ball on the field those fuckers are heavy. I play with my friends with a futsal ball cos we all suck and i got tired of getting my balls blasted into orbit or into the ocean
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>>63479015
I actually kind of want to see Petr Cech helmets become mandatory for youth soccer.
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>>63479170
m8 not to sound like a college jackass, but i did a paper on CTE and concussions. Soccer is like the #1 concussion causing sport for girls, and #2 after football for men.
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>>63479284

So are the concussions from the ball or from collisions with other players?
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I think it's just cuz the risk of two kids heading each other not a kid heading the ball like you all seem to be implying
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why don't they teach kids to properly head the ball?
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>>63476574
Like that fat cunt will still be here in 15 years. I give him five.
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>>63477195
If we remove the helmets will they die
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>>63476871
I don't think you realize how little anyone outside of chicanos and the west care about soccer. Washington doesn't anymore either since the hawks won a super bowl
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This is ridiculous.

America is ridiculous.
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>mfw when an american kid touched a football with his head and died near me
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>>63477020
you know shit about soccer tßh
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>>63479321
this
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because maybe americans play so many sports casually so they'll be noob at all of them and every simple skill will be dangerous
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>>63479468
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Good I for one don't want little kids and woman getting hit on the head

If men played it I guess it's ok, but men don't.
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>>63480345
>Yeah, let's vote for the communist who supports a $15/h minimum wage.

Absolutely disgusting.
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What can I say, this country is stupid when it comes to concussions, we don't want to believe football is especially bad. It's the balance fallacy, "everyone is a little bit wrong and a little bit right"
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>>63480396
>Communist
>Minimum wage

Communist believe there should be a universal basic income
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>>63480446
This comment works for this >>63480446
post
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Just use helmets like Petr Cech.
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Why don't they just follow this guy's example?
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>Footy is too hardcore for Americans

lmao
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Why dont they just teach them how to head the ball right
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It's under 11s.

It's literally elementary school kids, who cares? Most of the kids are probably too busy picking grass to even run at the ball.
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did any of you fucking retards even read the article?

>The direct act of heading the ball isn’t necessarily a problem. The study found that only 4.7% of boys’ concussions and 8.2% of girls’ concussions were due to head contact with the ball. But overall 30.6% of boys’ concussions and 25.3% of girls’ concussions occurred on headers, mostly from banging heads with another player, but also from hitting the turf. Heading was also the “soccer-specific” activity that caused the most concussions, followed by “defending,” “general playing,” and “goalkeeping.”
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>>63479170
>maybe if two players hit heads or something but I was blocking shots with my forehead like a boss when I was 11.

That could probably be part of it. No one going up for headers = less likely kids are colliding head-to-head.

A strange part of this means kids will spend their entire pre-teen youth exclusively playing short corners.
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>>63481461
>>63481567
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>be English
>insult pakis on Facebook
>10 years in the clink

>be paki
>rape and whore out orphaned children for a decade
>5 year sentence, released early for hood behavior

Thank you based Britain
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Nice work, America.
It was already known but now it is official that soccer is just for just for your retards and pussies.
Hopefully we do something like this soon to discourage normal people from ever taking up this glorified hobby.
Seriously, every soccer fanboy in Australia is an autist and wannabe european.
>mfw people call me unaustralian for always hoping the national soccer team loses
>mfw people born here call soccer 'football'
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>>63477179
3year olds can't really 'kick' they don't have the keg strength or coordination
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>>63476513
from hitting someone else's head
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>>63481792
>auskeks
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>>63477262
LEL
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>>63480396
>not wanting a minimum wage
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>>63482803
My salary is quite a bit more than the current minimum wage, so doubling the current one is not in my interest.
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> Soccer growing as a sport
> Most kids won't know how to header because "muh head health"

Soccer moms at it again...
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Guys how do I enjoy soccer? I don't get it.
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>>63477069
>It's true though, our league's playoffs are happening right now and I'm willing to be less than 5% of the entire population is even aware it's happening.

Damn, I completely forgot that the MLS playoffs were still going on. And I actually like soccer.

>>63477096
>It's actually because it's fun.

No. In America, soccer is popular for little kids because you can just set them loose on a field and ignore them with little worry about them getting injured or being made fun of for not being good because nobody knows how to play. 90% of the kids who are actually athletic and coordinated end up focusing entirely on basketball, football, or baseball by the time they're about 11 or 12 years old.
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>>63483092
>Soccer moms at it again...

Soccer moms are pretty much the reason for white kids being so shit at soccer in America. They don't want their kid to get good at the sport or even to really have fun playing it, they just want a sport that their baby can play without getting hurt or feeling like they aren't good at sports. Soccer typically fulfills both requirements because kid's soccer games are 99% running around and chasing a ball with nothing happening, there's no way to tell who's good and who isn't. Our national team's only hope is latinos and foreigners too shit to play for their own national teams.
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>>63476279
>reading articles about other countries.
Typical
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>>63476537

Its genius!
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>>63476513
Because you're violently shaking your brain matter every time you head a ball coming at you at 70-90 mph. It's not that fucking hard to understand. The human head isnt meant to be constantly hitting and experiencing force. Im not surprised that the USSF allowed this ruling. Kids have weak as fuck necks with giant heads anyway
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>my face when mass headers begin happening on soccer fields because they're header free zones
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"Won't somebody please think of the children!"
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>>63479523
>mfw when a german kid got stuffed into an oven by a refugee and died near me
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>>63483730
topical
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>>63484355
>bring your kids to play in southamerica

Could we actually do this? I would be completely on board with sending our best youth prospects to play in a country that actually gives a shit about soccer.
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>>63476827
>it just provides fitness

So THAT's why you don't like it!
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>>63476279
>America in charge of genetics

L E L
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It's probably just a lot term ploy to fuck with the NFL
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>>63480345

why are republicans so based senpai
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>>63483373
This. Soccer in the US is for kids with ADHD who need a babysitter while Mom fucks the neighbor or reetees and kids with coke-bottle glasses and asthma who wouldn't be exercising otherwise, and girls.

Anyone who happens to have been forced into it but actually have the athletic skill to do something better quit by 10 and go on to real sports, especially if they have any shot whatsoever at earning money with it.

That's why soccer players coming out of the US are shit, all the ones with real talent already quit eight years before that.

If you're not out of soccer by 12 you're basically an outcast.
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>>63484764
Whoops, meant this one >>63483373

Anyway...off what I said, soccer isn't liked or respected, the only ones really care are hipsters and Europhiles.
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>>63484764
>hat's why soccer players coming out of the US are shit, all the ones with real talent already quit eight years before that.

that's not the way it works, different sports require different body types and talents.
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>>63484839
Yeah, and it's just that they don't have football culture, plain and simple...
I kinda laugh at all the convoluted explanations as to why they suck and/or don't give it more attention... like every other country in the world isn't pretty much in the same position regarding other sports vs football...

>R-really, every other country exept USA is a Somalian-like poverty-ridden shithole that can't afford anything other than a ball for their kids to play!
>People with "talent" (lol, general "talent", apparently) choose other sports!
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>>63476758
>/trash/
It's better than /b/ and /tv/ tb.h
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>>63484764
bad post
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>>63485035
The youth coaching is also pretty shit, I think that's the root issue
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>>63476537
Shut it down oy gevalt the goyim know
צריכים לסגור את הכל מפני שהם יודעים
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>>63476279
"The revisions come during a fall that has seen a head-trauma related tragedy in youth sports seemingly every other week. While the deaths of middle and high school football players have received the most attention, the lawsuit against U.S. Soccer emphasized that, in the year of 2010 alone, a greater number of high school soccer players were concussed -- 50,000 -- than those participating in wrestling, basketball, baseball and softball combined".
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The Damage control from Americans ITT is delicious

I could eat this Everyday
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>>63485677

I think the takeaway here is that American high school kids are really, really bad at soccer. We should just give up on soccer and focus on our own sports, the way the Indians, Russians, and Chinese do.
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>>63487089
Soccer is primarily for the girls in our country anyway
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ameriburgers are pathetic.
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>>63487089
russians are pretty good at football though
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>mfw there are parents out there that won't encourage their children to be active happy fucks since baby steps
>mfw people think it's OK for kids to be fat as kids, they don't need strong bone density that'll last them for the majority of their adult lives, they don't need muscle mass, they don't need proper body mechanics
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a lot of anti-american threads tonight

wonder whats going on
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>>63490097
There's no interesting sport to watch today so people kill their time by shitposting
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>>63476279

why don't they wear helmets, kek
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>>63494306
kek
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>>63483373
>there's no way to tell who's good and who isn't
>America
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>>63483373

i agree with this

soccer has totally replaced baseball for the go-to sport for kids to play here (all the diamonds at our parks were converted to soccer)

yet it doesn't translate to our national team jus like murrica

I totally blame liberal thinking, winning doesn't matter anymore..
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>>63484408
>mfw an Amerifat got stuffed into an oven and powered Melbourne for 43 years near me
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>>63477288

At least they have heads.
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>>63497462
your team is probably better than before, it just that football is by far the most competitive sport in the world. It has an immense talent pool.
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>>63476279
>soccer
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>>63490041
>the Russians are really good
>Implying they're not American tier
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>>63476279
it's a cover up
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>>63497616
wow
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>>63476493
>nearly 50,000 high school soccer players sustained concussions in 2010
lmao
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>ameriweaks
They'll all develop the turtle technique and everyone will just hoof it up to their Carrolls or Giroud for easy goals
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>>63500445
Literally only wetbacks play soccer here, familia.
:^)
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>>63500459
>literally
>Dempsey
>Donovan
>Nguyen
>Altintop
I don't think you're correct, friend
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Oh lord, now all of our pee wee teams won't be able to utilize crosses.

I played high school soccer for 2 years, I didn't know
>what formation we ran (coach just told us to line up and control our area of the field)
>that there was an offside rule (don't even think they had a linesman with a flag)
>90% of the team thought you kicked with your toes
>what a cross was
>any kind of philosophy

Looking back, we just passed around midfield until we lost possession. We scored 1 goal in 20 games.
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>>63476279

>be 14
>playing striker
>50 mph "cross" comes in because no one knows how
>hit the ball with my face
>break nose
>concussion from hitting the turf head first
>ball sails over the bar

>th-thanks for protecting me mommy
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>>63476417

i have no fucking idea. look at everyones obsession with guns. imagine how scared and afraid you must be to insist on being armed at literally every moment? "b-b-but muh forefathers!!!"

This country is full of gigantic pussies.
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>>63476279

jesus fuck talk about handicapping your game
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>>63476303
>ameriweaks
>They'll all develop the turtle technique and everyone will just hoof it up to their Carrolls or Giroud for easy goals
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I must be weird because i quit baseball and basketball to start soccer when I got to high school. How did I not get arrested?
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>>63498744
jajaja pretty underrated
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>>63501265
was your teacher called mr van gaal?
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>>63476493
>How does an U-11 ban affect this?
it's the first step to banning headers altogether i guess
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>>63479321
Because that would be difficult, and America as the pussy nation we are like to consistently make things easier.
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>>63477072
>Germans
>Capable of understanding the concept of banter
Pick one
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>>63476279
>be 2018
>Russia
>Finals World Cup
>USA's team has been playing brilliantly for the entire tournament, not even letting in 1 goal. Keeper hailed as the 2nd coming of Jesus. Entire world finally recognizes USA as the world's leading nation in regards to football.
>Russia barely scraped by to final. Due to some violence caused in the quarter final and a suspicious death in the semi finals, they somehow made it to the finals. People are calling the 2018 Russian performance for corruption at its finest.
>Security is super heighten. Nobody, not even FIFA, is going to let Russia cheat in the finals too.
>USA dominates the first half of the match. 8 shots at goal, all somehow manage to miss. USA supporters looking anxious but they are filled with pride from the performance so far. Russia hasn't managed to even get 1 shot at goal, or a corner. Completely one sided first half.
>2nd half goes the same way, but nothing seems to change. More American shots at goal. All missing. You can see the sweat building up on the foreheads of all USA players.
>Putin looks on with a big smirk.
>90 minutes goes by without a goal. 3 minutes overtime is given first.
>USA goes on the offensive, but ends up being countered. The ball is run over the field by an aggressive Russian player, who ends up getting Russia a corner on USA's goal.
>Ball is kicked. It flies through the air, heading towards the keeper. The legendary keeper is going to get it for sure!
>Suddenly a tiny wind gives the ball a small drift. It misses the keeper's hands, instead hitting his head. The keeper, with neglected heading skills, doesn't manage to move the ball properly. The ball travels into the USA goal...
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>>63476279
>1-0 to Russia. The clock shows 3 minutes overtime. The whistle sound is heard. The game is over. The Russian people go berserk, hailing the American keeper as a gift from god.
>Somehow Russia wins.
>National tragedy back in USA. Tens of thousands commit suicide due to disappointment in the American performance. The American dream is dead.
>The ones who proposed the heading law is sued is civil court by the families of the victims. Massive payments from the government to the victims of this national tragedy.
>Riots in the streets of all major cities over the Governments actions.
>Senate hearing. They decide that the policy resulting in the weakening of USA's football abilities constitutes treason.
>All senior members and those responsible are rounded by the FBI. The United States Soccer Federation is given a quick death sentence. All responsible are sentenced to death.
>Riots continue. Looting everywhere. Communist sympathizers are suddenly elected to political offices.
>Masses demand to know who else in the senate/house of representatives supported this football policy. FBI investigates and concludes with the names of over 200 guilty government officials. All are immediately arrested. None are given trials. All are killed in public hangings.
>The the upcoming chaos USA turns into a communist dictatorship lead by Kanye West.
>Next week Kanye West personally leads an army in the invasion of Russia. The war of restoring American honor ends in a nuclear holocaust.
>Year 2200. Football is associated with the devil and banned in all surviving nations.
>Everyone is required to play the "heading game" in order to strengthen the heads of all children.
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>>63476279
T H I S C A N ' T B E R E A L
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>>63500434
that's not a lot of people

i went to a pretty small high school and we had 3000 people enrolled
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>>63497616
Holy shit.
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>>63479318
Most likely collisions with other girls. Chicks are nasty and dirty as fuck in soccer.
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>>63504391
then it wasn't a small high school
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>>63476513
Ask David Icke that nigger was a goalie too so he got concussions catching the ball.
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>>63504320
>>63504343
some autist actually wrote this
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I care so little about that dumb sport that I don't even know what's going on.

I assume europoors will get a laugh though since they actually care about it.
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>>63510204
Biggest high school in the US has like 8000 people

We weren't even in like the top 30
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>>63481621
>american banter

just stop
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Who the fuck cares?

We also don't let small children use wooden baseball bats.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IT'S REAL

IT'S REAL GUYS
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>>63515934
yeah that's why he posted it dummy.
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>>63515980
I CAN'T HELP BEING A DUMMY YOU FAT KEK

I WAS TOO BUSY BEING BASED AND SCORING DIVING HEADERS AS A KID
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>>63516016
Your mom is busy scoring diving headers on kids.

Most people that play soccer here are 6 and under, then they play video games, then they become too fat to play anything but football.

This is a non-issue, we will still be awful at the sport.
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>>63477020

>we weren't told to like it

Most annoying thing about soccer fans.

I think that there are a lot of things that America can and should learn from the rest of the world. How to run a criminal justice system, the metric system, pre-college level education, health care, etc.

However, what benefit does it provide to America to like soccer over football, basketball, or baseball? None whatsoever. What impact does it have on the rest of the world? There's one less country that's relevant to the soccer scene, and that's pretty much it. Let Americans enjoy whatever sports they'll enjoy.
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>>63476537

O fuck m8
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>>63490087

>schools getting rid of PE, which would otherwise be the only exercise that some of these fat little fucks get
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>>63476279
Who fucking cares if 10 year olds can't hit a ball with their head?? kek
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>>63476279
it's because kids <11 are too stupid to understand proper heading technique...instead they'll take a line-drive straight to the side of the head and knock themselves out.
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>meanwhile little latino and african kids are taking headers like a boss from 6 years old

its like murrica enjoys being keked at the world cup or something..
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>>63476998
>It'd literally be guaranteed if we were to host the tournament
Literally what you guys thought would happen for rugby.
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>>63479015
>>63479255
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>>63481355
Isn't it just a scrum cap that some rugby players wear?
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