Useless word games. There are no insights to be gained in thought experiments like this, save about the limitations of our language(s). And most do not even make it that far.

Well its not completely useless. It gives us an insight of how especially the field of psychology and how the avarge man looks at a why humans do why they do. The dualistic split between a) he is speaking chinese, and b) but he does not understand it.
The understanding part part is so broad and nearly not measurble at all.

>>8198100
what's wrong with this thought experiment?

>>8198100
Yeah, stupid word games. It's not like the meanings of words matter or anything. Science doesn't even need words, right?

>>8198092
>not realizing that 4chan, or internet forums in general, are potentially English rooms

There's no reason for you to believe that I can actually speak English and only know how to translate my posts to English.

>>8198092
only in the room

>>>/lit/

My answer to this is if we correlate "fear" to "the essence of needing to get away from something" than the earliest of AIs that were developed were sentient, but only felt fear. I'm talking about that fish game where you eat the smaller fish, who were only programmed to run away from you.

How about looking at mentally disabled people, who are deemed as not actually having consciousness. "Brain dead" where they are silent and motionless, and cannot convince you that they are receiving any inputs or giving any outputs

You could also look at people with schizophrenia, dementia, depersonalization disorder, or any other deterioration of the brain, who's result is consciousness. They click and clunk around in their heads like computers, and make the statement that it feels like they are searching for information, and then creating a display in order to convince whoever they're taking to that they have actually thought about, and felt the information.

>>8198171
>>8198270
The problem lies no deeper than in a confused usage of terms. When speaking of concepts such as "understanding" or "knowledge" or "communication", there are always underlying physical processes that are summarily abstracted by these words. In general, a 'normal' sequence of processes is labeled that way and then forgotten or ignored when using the label further. For example, the word "language" might have arisen when someone was thinking of the processes of people flapping their mouths, expelling air from their lungs, using vibrating vocal chords, sound waves transmitting through the air and arriving at the ear, the brain interpreting these signals and initiating a response in kind. Then writing appeared, and the word "language" was similar enough to what reading meant, so it can still be applied, although the original assumptions that were encoded in the word no longer apply.
The issue arises when we construct a situation such as the Chinese Room where our intuition and custom tells us to use certain words to describe it, although some of the implicit assumptions of these words are not fulfilled anymore. Philosophical thought experiments such as these are thus important for humans, but not important in a greater scheme concerning understanding of the world. They offer no fundamental insights.

>>8198437
I've seen non-fluent translation. That is reason to believe.

>>8198437
>not realizing that everyone but you is a bot with a 4chan pass

>>8198695
It would be stupid to neglect that thought experiments like this does not give any fundamental insights. Science as a whole does also rest on axioms and the point of this thought experiment is to figure out what axioms are better for suited for science. Many axioms have changed and what was considered scientific in the last are now replaced by better assumptions of the scientific approach.