>housemate studies chemistry
>already knew she believed in ghosts, astrology and other quack shit
>find out she believes in homeopathy
>ask her how she can believe it when she understands some of the chemistry of how it wouldn't work
>she can't answer but refuses to believe they don't
How does that even work?
>>8121577
I've met some people who believe in homeopathy but they weren't science majors. Tbqh I've never met any science majors that believed in pseudoscience, although I'm sure that has to do with the kind of people I hang out with.
Hell, even Steve Jobs refused to get actual medical treatment for his cancer because he believed in alternative medicine. It's kind of unfathomable to me how people do that, but w/e.
>>8121586
Yea she's the first person I've met who both studies and excels in a science, while also believing in lots of bullshit. It baffles me, especially when lots of what she believes in goes against basic chemistry (she's big into alternative medicine)
[Note: I'm am atheist]
My family are young-earth creationists.
I also went to a religious boarding school.
My therapist wrote a book about Christian therapy practices.
About 99% of people I know believe stereotyping people is a form of psychological insight.
I had a roommate that used to light catholic vigil candles believing they did all sorts of things.
Vegan roommate that believed in all sorts of vegan hocus pocus.
Had a friend that refused to believe in atoms.
I could go on.
>>8121641
>I could go on.
Please do.
If could greentext any discussions with people like that, it would be even better.
It's vary simple, Humans don't thank logically, we thank emotionally. We believe what ever gives us positive feedback, but this can be vary easily tricked. All you need to do is apply positive reinforcement and they can believe anything. Same go's for negative reinforcement. like making babies fear anything that is red. A you do is shock them whenever they see it.
>>8121644
I have a friend that believes I have a spiritual connection with technology and that's why I seem like a "tech genius".
[In reality I'm an average user]
My family uses every Ham and Hovind pseudoscience excuse in the book.
I can't even look at their facebook posts anymore because half the time I cringe and rest of the time it just kills me.
My high school science teacher told us atoms should be able to stay together, but they do because of gods will.
As for green text? Oh I try to forget.
My soon to be new roommate believes in all new age woo and all psychology and psychiatry nonsense, including the belief people have no minds and are just archetypes ready to be told where they fit in.
Maybe I'll post some facebook screenshots later with all personal information blocked out only leaving their meme posts or some comments.
>>8121653
>My high school science teacher told us atoms shouldn't*
>>8121653
>spiritual connection with technology
kek'd
>Maybe I'll post some facebook screenshots later with all personal information blocked out only leaving their meme posts or some comments.
I think we'd all appreciate a hearty kek if you could do that. heh
>>8121644
My dad, ladies and gentlemen.
I'd like to take this moment to mention that I'm adopted.
>>8121664
lmao
how come you went down the science route instead?
>muh high and low metabolism.
To be a little fair they weren't completely wrong because I was cutting with DNP.
But it's not like those cuts last long
>>8121577
>she
That's all you really need to know.
>>8121664
>Mary Coudneys likes this
Anon what have you done?
>>8121577
>tfw was a hardcore believer of radical feminism, libertarian Marxism and psychoanalysis in my teen years
>tfw almost fell for homeopathetic treatment of my dermatitis a couple years ago
My experience with this is unusually personal
>>8121664
>Catholicism isn't Christianity
Wow that guy is seriously deluded.
>>8121692
Oh, and also pretty much my only friend for a certain period of time in teenage years was diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder and believed in every quantum mystical theory you can imagine.
>pseudoscientist and extrovert comes to me on the street
>asks if i will please give money for poor children in the mythological dark continent
>shove his pamphlets out of his hand and yell at him for spreading lies
>there IS no africa, it's all just a fairy tale i yell at him
>"i know people who are from africa" he splutters
>TRY SOME ACTUAL FUCKING EVIDENCE i shriek
>i realize people are watching and run away
I used to think homeopathy was just a kind of herbal medicine...
my parents swear that a homeopathic remedy that someone talked them into trying on me made me slightly less autistic as a toddler but are at a loss as to why, seeing that they both know that homeopathy is based on a faulty principle. my best guess is that it was the placebo effect.
my gf believes in ghosts and likes to watch ghost hunter shows. she gets kinda annoyed when I don't take her seriously about it, so I try to avoid the topic altogether. ah well, she's a social scientist, not a hard scientist.
>>8121664
u have my sympathies, anon
are you from Michigan?
>ITT : americans
>>8121586
maybe he ran out of ideas and wanted to be remembered as a 'revolutionary' person
>the doctor says extreme daily stress and anger caused by arguing online is the cause of my artherosclerosis
>cannot believe these crackpot delusions have seeped this far into our scientific establishment
>"excuse me can you say that again"
>he repeats himself and i shove him out of his chair, rip off his doctor coat and stamp on it
>tell him he should know such terms are meaningless folk babble and that there are no "stress" and "emotions", only brain states
>leave office in disgust
>>8121773
OP here, I'm english. Pseudoscience isn't just an american thing sadly
>>8121577
Your willingness to debate pseudoscience is a raritiy. Whenever I talk about aliens STEM types get dogmatic "They just don't exist and that's that" complete refusal to consider anything I say. While your friend has a case of "I want to believe syndrome" many STEM types have a "I don't want to believe syndrome". Besides the more controversial aliens a more well-known example is climate change. The fact that almost no peer-reviewed studies support climate change denial is actually used as evidence that there's some sort of cover up. If that isn't /x/ I don't know what is.
In short both sides get dogmatic, overly defensive and the persecution complex. It's human nature, being good at STEM doesn't put you above it.
>>8121773
Wow man haha this joke sure never gets old. Have an upvote sir -- you've earned it!
>>8121577
>tfw when theory of relativity is the pseudoscience
>>8121668
>how come you went down the science route instead?
Growing up in communities in which fallacies were regularly used, I often found myself at the seat of allegations.
This lead to me question the validity of their methods for discerning truth.
>>8121698
Yeah, that comment was from my older brother.
I don't even care about his beliefs surrounding it, it's just the way he said it.
It's in line with WASP rhetoric and devoid of actual analysis.
>>8121766
Yes, I'm from Michigan, good sleuthing.
>>8121795
In undergrad STEM students approach mostly clearly frased problems that have a determinable solution. You almost never have to work outside of a certain comfort zone and entertain ridiculous notions in conversation.
>>8121641
vegan is scientifically the best way for a human of any age and activity level to eat if you do it right and get enough calories
>>8121664
no fucking way, it's like this was deliberately crafted to troll but i know its legit
>>8121688
back to /b/
>>8121763
>IS no Africa
19/20
Public high school science teacher would preach god stuff to us.
So annoying.
>>8121641
>I had a roommate that used to light catholic vigil candles
Literally nothing wrong with that.
>ITT: People who think American Protestantism == all religion
>>8122459
Totally incorrect in every conceivable way
>>8121586
When people are sick they don't always react rationally
>>8121641
>[Note: I'm am atheist]
I'm so sorry that you're autistic.
>My family are young-earth creationists.
I'm so sorry that made you autistic.
>I also went to a religious boarding school.
Don't just say "religious" like they are all the same. Say protestant school.
>My therapist wrote a book about Christian therapy practices.
All therapists are quacks anyway.
>About 99% of people I know believe stereotyping people is a form of psychological insight.
Psychiatry is all about stereotyping if you think about it.
>I had a roommate that used to light catholic vigil candles believing they did all sorts of things.
And? Nothing wrong with lighting candles or leaving flowers at shrines/graves as a symbol of respect/prayer.
>Vegan roommate that believed in all sorts of vegan hocus pocus.
Hippies are retarded by definition
>Had a friend that refused to believe in atoms.
To be fair, it took Einstein's 1905 paper on Brownian Motion to get chemists to acknowledge atoms existed.
this is cheating but in my creative writing class i'm taking in my senior year of high school, some journalist guest speaker came in and talked about how Prince played his music on higher frequencies than other musicians, and by playing on higher frequencies he could talk to god.
People who believe the earth is flat. I was discussing with some hippie bitch and all she did to respond to my valid points about how its a fact the earth is round was post youtube links of american idiots who don't know how the pythagorean theorem work, or what light difraction and physics are.
"But the sun and the moon are round"
>"nuh uh they're like lightbulbs circling the flat earth from above"
"But the moon and the stars look different from the north/south hemispheres"
>"Nuh uh thats because the entire universe moves around the flat earth"
What about the planets and the hundreds of satellites and probes and pictures?
>"all is a conspiracy from NASA and the government"
What about private companies that have their own satellites in space?
>"part of the conspiracy, here's another youtube link"
The guy is using Google Maps to measure stuff, Google Maps are literally photographs taken by satellites who circle the globe
>"nuh uh, open your eyes friend"
How do these people function? These are the kind of idiots hindering the progress of mankind, goddamn.
Needless to say this person is also anti-vax, against fluoridation and thinks chemtrails are a thing and all that. There's gotta be a name for these kind of people or train of thought.
>>8121653
>My high school science teacher told us atoms should[n't] be able to stay together, but they do because of gods will.
He's was probably joking you aspie. Also, atomic nuclei shouldn't be able to stay together based solely on their gravitational and electromagnetic forces which is why physicists postulated the strong nuclear force. He could have also been referring to the fact that orbiting electrons would emit EM radiation losing energy until they spiral into the nucleus in the classical (pre-quantum) models. Obviously a HS science class isn't going to get into the detail of why they are able to be stable hence "God wills it".
>>8121698
>>Catholicism isn't Christianity
>Wow that guy is seriously deluded.
Most protestants are like that.
>>8121692
>>tfw was a hardcore believer of radical feminism
How can a dude be a hardcore believer of radical feminism? Don't you know they want to #killallmen?
>>8122506
wow
>>8122512
>and by playing on higher frequencies he could talk to god
>Taking a metaphor literally
Son,
>>8122533
she was quite literal, and based on her other ramblings i figured she took it seriously as well
>>8121641
>My therapist wrote a book about Christian therapy practices.
My first therapist printed out 20 pages of a book that told me I shouldn't be depressed because God loves me. I told her I wasn't religious, despite the fact that my parents are, and she asked me why. She then switched to recommending affirmations. Needless to say, I did not see her for long. Oh, my contract said that I wasn't allowed to swear during our sessions. I don't swear around people I'm not super familiar with who have already demonstrated they aren't bothered by it, but what.
>>8121795
nobody legitimately stem is dismissing the existence of aliens; however, the fact that they're hovering in our atmosphere is another autistic matter akin to believing in bigfoot or the lochness monster
>>8121698
It isn't. You're incredibly ignorant. Basic reading of the Bible compared with Catholic doctrine would teach you this very basic fact.
>>8122538
>to believing in bigfoot
But bigfoot could be real.
>>8121577
Just fuck her anyway.
>>8121577
According to this list neuroscience is pseudoscience
>Hostile to criticism
check
>Uses vauge jargon to confuse and evade
Semi-random names for proteins, cell types, layers, regions, signals, whatever
>Grandiose claims that go beyond evidence
"Curing" AD and MS, brain-"computer"-interfaces, Marketing , Prosthetics, Everything
>Cherypicks on favorable evidence, relies on (...) weak evidence
Check. Whoring for government funding.
>Uses flawed methods
fMRI, FFT with small resolution, extreme "filtering" of data and curve fitting etc.
>Dogmatic
check. A one giant echo chamber. And nobidy even tries to negate theories becausee "book said so" "some 'authority' said so"
neuro""""scientists"""" have basically thrown away all knowledge regarding EE and Chem-E to creeate their own "theories"
>>8122587
I hope to God this is bait. Please be bait.
The logical faculty is imperfect and easily disrupted. Neurologically, the psychotic has more going on in his brain than the sane person (Excitotoxicity) - the drugs used to cure his syndromes eat holes in his brain. Ancient humans cut holes into each other's skulls - modern humans cut holes into each other's skulls. Does the justification matter? Did lobotomies help anyone?
Have you ever tried to model a cellular function? You have to look at multiple scales, and create a system of correspondences. The specific sciences often don't have formal translations - you're on your own if you try to create an integrated picture of physics, chemistry and biology.
People with no formal education in science will often be hardpressed to defend their arguments. As you become more educated, you learn or design elaborate counterarguments. The moment you get objective proof of being right while some higher authority is wrong, your ego explodes and you start questioning everything.
Add in a few degrees, and you have a cast-iron fortress of mind which can't be dissuaded.
>>8122498
I'm not a vegan, but there is in fact reasonably damning evidence of red meat at the very least.
>>8122615
Red meat and fish sure. But unprocessed chicken and pork are about as healthy as you can get whilst fresh and properly cooked.
>>8122598
it's not bait.
Try to prove wrong you swindling faggot
>>8122481
>Literally nothing wrong with that.
It is if you read the rest
>ie; Believing they did all sorts of things
>>8122506
Being an atheist doesn't make you autistic nor vice versa.
I can't tell if you're stupid or just trolling.
Most scientists are atheists.
Also I didn't go to a protestant school.
I don't know where you got that presumption from.
>waiting for false dilemma fallacy
>All therapists are quacks anyway.
Existential fallacy
>Psychiatry is all about stereotyping if you think about it.
Also lying about how sedatives and stimulants function; never forget that
>And? Nothing wrong with lighting candles or leaving flowers at shrines/graves as a symbol of respect/prayer.
It is wrong to believe lighting candles causes things to happen.
He's hispanic and he used to believe the candles cured illnesses, forced magical insight and all sorts of nonsense.
When his busted TV would act up, he would light candles and pray.
If I fixed the TV for him, he would claim it was the candles and prayer or alternatively he would claim the candles and prayer convinced god to use his power through me.
>Hippies are retarded by definition
Agreed
>To be fair, it took Einstein's 1905 paper on Brownian Motion to get chemists to acknowledge atoms existed.
Yes, but a modern adult in this day age being oblivious to basic physics?
C'mon.
>>8122518
He wasn't joking, and don't throw that lame aspie/austic personal attack in there you moron.
It was a religious boarding school.
A southern baptist creation boarding school to be exact.
Our science classes were just watching Kent Hovind Videos.
You presume a lot, like you're retarded or something.
Quick clue: Flawed stereotyping t or making shit up in your head is ALWAYS wrong.
Always.
100% of the time.
Check your retarded ass fallacies please.
You sound like a kid or a hysterical psychotic.
>>8122639
Fish? Fish are perfect. The closest thing ive found to a genuinely "scientifically recommended diet" is pescatarianism. As long as it isnt contaminated with mercury seafood is amazing
>>8122536
Mine wrote that I had "Not Otherwise Specified with Narcissistic Traits" when she found out I was an atheist.
She labeled me with PTSD and Severe Depression claiming that was the only way to explain why I wasn't religious.
Odd, since she was exceptionally corrupt and was part of a shut down referral network that committed medicare fraud and even bullied people into faking illnesses so they and a related agency could rake in millions in fraud and benefits.
That network is what actually coined the term "Warehouse Social Services" in 2010.
Her reasoning when they got caught?
She and the others claimed it's alright to lie, coerce and exploit people if it allows the system to grow, that way they can get big enough to care for everyone that isn't as capable of taking caring of themselves like they are.
Seriously.
Sat there sobbing in the court room trying to defend machiavellian exploitation and fraud with narcissistic fantasies.
>TFW no prison time or revoked licenses
>Just suspension and a few agencies closed
>This is why we can't have nice things
>No real consequences
>Be astronomy postgrad.
>People want to talk to you about what you do because it's interesting and not conceptually difficult.
>Do lots of outreach because it's fun, I'm not a sperg and helps the CV.
>Neckbeard comes up to me at an exhibition about galaxy formation (not my field, big in the department), I tell him about the our stall and what I do.
>Explain I do cosmology and study the cosmic microwave background and how it's affected by plasma in clusters and dark energy.
>He starts perks up at the word plasma and starts telling me how he thinks all cosmology is wrong and that the universe is dominated by electromagnetism.
>He says some people have disproven "Big Bang Creationism" and cites the CMB which is really just plasma in the Galaxy.
>I tell him I'm aware of Alfven's historic claim but it doesn't hold water because we can see distant objects imprinted on the CMB, which couldn't be if it was from the Galaxy.
>He becomes more defensive and says that modern science has become math fiction and people like myself stick to our "dogma" and never look at what the data actually looks like.
>Now I'm offended because 90% of my job is data reduction. My supervisor also spent his career trying to disprove standard cosmologies though the decades.
>Smile and tell him I'll have to look into that because he's not going to stop.
>He cites me the youtube of the "Electric Universe" and the "Plasma Universe".
I looked into it, it's fucking nonsense. Hours and hours of youtube videos which are a combination of pure handwaving and some outright lies. There's no substance to it but it has a massive following. The only papers that exist were published in an engineering journal more than a decade ago. I've talked to other students in my department and a couple of them have met simplify people citing the same bullshit. One student (who works on black holes) got a little bit of media attention at a conference and then got emails by these nuts calling him a shill. It's terrifying.
>>8122711
Interesting because there isn't a "Criticism" section on the Wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
Perhaps you could send an edit in.
>>8122734
Look at the talk page, it has 11 Archive pages. There's clearly been an edit war over it an in my experience pages like that are usually reverted if you put something someone doesn't like.
The major points are in the "Comparison to mainstream astrophysics" section.
Plasma cosmology isn't really the same thing as the electric universe woo. Plasma cosmology was a real cosmology 40 years ago when everyone had a cosmology but nobody had and good data. The electric universe on the other hand is new age nonsense combined with mythology and a poor grasp of physics. There are no papers on it and these people will openly deny relativity or even gravity depending on who you ask. They are the ones making the youtube videos.
>>8122506
>he's so insecure he get buttflustered just from being reminded that there are Christians who believe stupid shit
>>8121777
kek, underrated post
>>8121577
Humans, like all animals of enough intelligence, are superstitious and esoteric.
It is easy to fool someone, but it is hard to convince someone they've been fooled. People who fool themselves are the most stubborn.
>>8121701
just be glad you got out.
And good point, too. People are fucking stupid and it shows in all fields, not just sciences, but in politics as well. Some people will think that homeopathy solves all problems. Some people will pick up a book written by Marx and think that it solves all problems. Really, it's just their bible, and all bibles are fucking retarded.
I can't stand that shit. I read everything written by Marx because I was curious and I wanted to see it for myself. It was interesting stuff, but I can't fathom how someone would turn it into their bible.
>>8122517
>There's gotta be a name for these kind of people or train of thought.
Republicans
>>8121664
This is my shit right here. Grew up with a baptist cult in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and I heard (and still hear) this shit all the time.
>mah grandpa weren't no monkeh
>>8121577
The one that sticks out is someone who believed in chemtrails, and had some people on her side or getting there. I met them at an autism social event. You cannot make this shit up.
>>8122667
>Being an atheist doesn't make you autistic nor vice versa.
Atheism is linked the autism.
>Most scientists are atheists.
Most people who bring that up are autists.
>Also I didn't go to a protestant school.
What school did you go to then? BTW "nondenominational schools" are protestant schools contrary to what the name would seem to imply.
>I don't know where you got that presumption from.
You're parents are protestant (Young Earth Creationists). Usually they would never consider sending you to an Islamic school or some other religion's school.
>Yes, but a modern adult in this day age being oblivious to basic physics?
Have you seen the state of public school education? Most people don't see any arguments that discrete atoms exist and take it on faith. Nothing wrong with wanting to see an argument before accepting it.
>>8122684
I don't think it's good to do, but that's about the best reasoning for doing something like that IMHO
>>8122869
oh, so believing that the creator of the universe wrote a book as shitty as the bible/qoran is just fine and dandy, then?
>>8122667
>Also I didn't go to a protestant school.
>>8122672
>A southern baptist creation boarding school to be exact.
Jesus Christ you're uneducated.
>I can't tell if you're stupid or just trolling.
It's called "devil's advocate".
>and don't throw that lame aspie/austic personal attack in there you moron
This is 4chan kiddo. If being called an aspie triggers you, then go to you safe space on reddit.
>>8121577
>>8121577
When I've read the right column - It felt like that was an universal definition for cosmology, evolutionism, theoretic physics.
My entire school was composed of YECs. Even the science teacher. The only one who even explicity told me he wasn't was the bible teacher, and he's an old-earther.
>>8121664
lmao omnipotent love kills man forever because bitch ate a fruit NOPE CHRISTIANS nope.
>>8121577
I met retards who believe in scientific realism.
>>8121593
I need more in depth of a story
>>8122878
>someone called me dumb for making this argument/attack/post/bed
>better accuse them of being offended
Why are there so many of these?
>>8122548
>implying protestants are christian
top kek
>>8122672
>You presume a lot
That considering the possibility that he was joking is presuming a lot? The rest of the post is about how atoms aren't possible with HS science level understand.
>like you're retarded or something.
>Check your retarded ass fallacies please.
>You sound like a kid or a hysterical psychotic.
>Quick clue: Flawed stereotyping or making shit up in your head is ALWAYS wrong.
>Always.
>100% of the time.
Oh the irony. And where are the fallacies?
>>8123136
>That considering the possibility that he was joking is presuming a lot?
Also
>Oh the irony. And where are the fallacies?
It's called Epistemological Analysis.
I'm not your slave, educate yourself.
>>8121641
>[Note: I'm am atheist]
I think people need to invent a new term for this kind of people. Atheists are people who deny Gods existence. I'm not for instance. I don't deny that there's possible could be a God but I think that all religions speculate on the unknown and should be purged with fire. I just don't blindly believe. I'm more of a skeptic.
>>8123329
a·the·ist
ˈāTHēəst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Disbelieves or lacks the belief isn't the same thing as outright denies the possibility.
It just means there isn't evidence to even suggest there is something there, and therefore the claim is treated with disbelief.
It's called the burden of proof, and accurately analyzing the argument from ignorance.
In regards to theism, either you believe or don't believe.
Agnostic and Skeptic aren't terms that address that, they're tangential terms.
You can be an Agnostic Atheist.
Look it up.
Agnostic was a term invented by Atheists by the way, to convince people it's ok to doubt.
It was coined by Huxley to coax disbelievers out of their shell.
>>8123329
It's called agnostic, jesus fucking christ.
>>8122615
>its an amerifat things not eating red meat means you are a vegan episode
>>8123349
fish is cool too right? i can eat tons of fish and call myself vegan right? i really just want to wear the label honestly
>>8123348
See:
>>8123347
Agnosticism was invented by atheists to trick disbelievers out of their shell, since it wasn't socially acceptable to outright say that you disbelieve what the majority believe.
It has never been theist, atheist and agnostic.
Agnostic is a tangential term.
Either you live like you think there is a supernatural being or you don't.
You can't live in a superposition state.
>>8123351
No, vegan means you don eat any animal produce which is stupid af. Vegetarianism is a much more sensible way to approach it.
>>8123354
It's a joke mate, I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian.
>>8123352
Regardless, there exist people stupid enough to definitively state the lack of existence of a supernatural being, when it is clearly unfalsifiable. Thus, "agnostic atheist" or "agnostic" for short, is still useful to differentiate from children.
>>8123355
Pussy
>>8123370
I have stomach issues, and I really care what a child thinks.
>>8123367
1.) Appeal to authority is a fallacy
2.) That's a fake quote:
http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-sagan-file
3.) What he really said was:
>"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence."
4.) But the problem is that Sagan isn't using the textbook definition of atheist, he's using the public misconception.
5.) You can prove cultural gods that make claims in religious texts don't exist by testing said claims.
6.) Then, following deductive logic, you can conclude there is no evidence to support the concept at all.
>>8123380
*all the plagues
autocorrect
>>8123385
>someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God
is what is known as shifting the burden of proof
and it's also using the argument from ignorance
if sagan really said that then he wasn't really the intellectual people prop him up to be
if he didn't understand basic logic, he was a fool
>>8123375
Fish? It's a complete marvel
i propose that scientists are faggots
A) they argue this is not sleeping on a dartboard of energy coils (elctromagnetic or radio)
B) scientist argue vaccines are not little ufos, that devolve us back into monkeys by strip mining every star system in your right/left arm. with mandatory vaccinations and mandatory weird science
>birth rates down, suicide all time high, breast cancer all time high, nut cancer all time high, lowest sperm count of history, ,mental illness all time high, etc etc, lower marriage rates, lower avg height, and 100s since 1x-4x-12x-24x the vaccine rate
>>8123398
>>8123389
Perhaps he did not mean God in the cultural sense, and meant something closer to the Spinozan God.
>>8123405
Most atheists do not have issues with Spinoza's God because it's not a God, it's a weasel word to trick people into atheism.
How can I say this?
Because God by general definition is supernatural being with thoughts that interferes in mankind's affairs.
Atheism, by definition, rejects this claim because there is no evidence to support it.
>>8123409
Fair enough I suppose. I'm of the Christian Non-Denominational faith, but have looked at the arguments presented. I agree with most of what I've heard, but I choose to stick to my faith. It may be due to the existential crisis I'd put myself in, or just the fact that I can't imagine a world where I don 't go to church.
>>8122869
>Atheism is linked the autism.
No joke. People with a pathological tendency to focus on tiny details are probably keen to recognizing that religion has no factual basis.
That being said, correlation isn't causation and the vast majority of atheists aren't autistic. But I probably am for taking this bait.
>>8122869
And Judaism has the highest amount of diagnosed schizophrenics, although researchers state they don't have the stats on Christians because they perceive schizophrenia as a religious experience, either positive or demonic possession.
Correlation doesn't always prove causation.
I would mention that higher functioning austists often have IQs and their obsession with details would automatically end in the deductive conclusion that it's not correct.
You can't emotionally or socially manipulate an autist.
>>8123429
have high IQs*
>>8123420
>that religion has no factual basis.
God exists whether you like it or not. Just because you're surrounded by protestants doesn't change that fact.
>>8123429
>I would mention that higher functioning austists often have IQs and their obsession with details would automatically end in the deductive conclusion that it's not correct.
http://www.examiner.com/article/of-10-highest-iq-s-on-earth-at-least-8-are-theists-at-least-6-are-christians
>inB4 b-b-but the argument doesn't apply when it doesn't confirm by biases
>>8123483
>3.) Average IQ and Religion association is as thus [pic].
Pic is a flat line of religious importance of various state with the atheist shit holes states conveniently deleted while poor religious African states remaining.
>2.) Overwhelming Exception is a fallacy when used with Hyperbolic Discounting.
We get it, you've googled a bunch of debating terms. Stop being pretentious already.
>>8123308
>It's called Epistemological Analysis.
Shut the fuck up kid.
>>8123515
>is /pol/
>comes to /sci/
>sees /sci/ post /sci/
>gets angry
>posts nonsense from non-accredited source and uses fallacies
>posts /pol/
>uses more fallacies [bulverism]
>>8123526
>comes to /sci/
>/sci/ mentions /sci/
Shut the fuck up kid.
>ad hominem
>>8122683
>what is bioaccumulation
>>8122641
yep bait
>>8121577
My father is an anarcho-capitalist who believes in all sorts of crap, like crystals in the water with healing powers and maybe the flat earth. But this exchange I will never forget.
>''The way I see how countries started is that some people imposed taxes on others for trade and that begun the first countries.''
>''You know that there is historical evidence that after humans stopped being hunter-gatherers the ones with the most agricultural resources formed their countries, so in a way free trade is to blame for the state.''
>He shuts up for a while
>''That's just your opinion.''
>>8122459
Nope. However there is solid evidence that vegetarianism is.
>>8122524
Why do you think thats a dude.
my aunt refuses to heat food using the microwave because it emits radiation that is harmful :^)
>>8122524
I was not the "kill all men" kind, but "radically reorganize society to remove patriarchy and make everyone absolutely equal" kind. Basically not a self-hating guy radfem.
>>8123682
I mean that's true but unless she picked up a broken microwave at a thrift store or is microwaving with her head inside she might as well melt in sunlight
>>8123682
>year 10 physics class
>have to design a leaflet explaining what microwaves are and why they're not harmful and some electromagnetism background, as if to 'a concerned old woman'
>it's just a way of testing our knowledge
>laugh anyway because "who the fuck doesn't know how a microwave works?"
>grow up
>realise that, in fact, a lot of people don't know how microwaves work
>and that they are perfectly willing to substitute their own version of its function
>and that they're happy to do this about things much more complex and important than microwaves
>>8123713
I'm actually a physics major and I've tried to explain it to her how it works, she just stares at me and says "yeah, but it's still harmful, why use it when I don't have to?". What annoys me even more it's the fact that she's not supid, she has a Ms in Psychology (inb4 the memes), but she would rather believe something that she "heard" or read online on some shit tier blog ,than simple reason.
>>8122672
>making shit up in your head is ALWAYS wrong
irony not your strong point then
>>8123367
>fake quote
>appeal to authority
>straw man (all atheists are 100% gnostic atheists)
nice try
i have yet to see atheists provide a shred of evidence for their position
>entire thread shat up by some religious guy
Thanks guys
>>8121645
how the hell did you end up spelling it thank ? A is the opposite side of the keyboard from I.
>>8123854
I have yet to see Santa disbelievers provide a shred of evidence for their position
>>8123854
You make the claim, you back it up.
If you can't back it up, fuck off.
>>8123976
>If you can't back it up, fuck off.
anger is no substitute for evidence
>>8123987
I haven't made any claims so I don't need evidence for anything. If you want to claim that something is real, prove it. If you can't prove it, at least don't embarrass yourself by trying to shift the burden to someone else.
>>8123987
lowqualitybait.jpg
>>8121577
My aunt was big into alternative medicine. She died from breast cancer because she refused to go to a real doctor and instead put her faith in homeopathic treatments. At one point the "doctor" said the medicine was working because her body was expelling the tumor. In reality the tumor got so bad it was metastasizing and erupting out of her skin. The picture I saw of it was brutal.
Reading the homeopathic bullshit that was peddled to her doesn't even hold up to high school level science. At one point it talked about expelling negative ions as if the fact they were negatively charged was harmful to the body if you can believe that shit.
I wasn't even that close to my aunt, but watching what her family went through and the fact that there were people who actively told her not to go to a doctor pisses me the fuck off. These alternative "doctors" should be put in jail.
>>8124099
Damn, my condolences Anon.
It's all fun and games until science denial literally kills someone, Alt Medicine shouldn't even have the word "medicine" anywhere in the name. It's about as meaningful as creation "science".
>>8124104
Yeah it sucks. I mean she wasn't the most logical person in general, but people always get desperate when it comes to facing their death, especially with an illness like cancer. The fact that these homeopaths take advantage of people at their most vulnerable is straight up despicable. It's akin to those retards who don't vaccinate their kids.
I feel a combination of pity and disbelief for the people who fall victim to it though. There exists so much information that debunks all this shit but they stubbornly refuse to believe facts even when it kills them. I just don't understand it.
>>8123682
>>8123713
>>8123734
>Two areas of the body, the eyes and the testes, can be particularly susceptible to heating by RF energy because of the relative lack of available blood flow to dissipate the excessive heat load. Laboratory experiments have shown that short-term exposure to high levels of RF radiation (100–200 mW/cm2) can cause cataracts in rabbits. Temporary sterility, caused by such effects as changes in sperm count and in sperm motility, is possible after exposure of the testes to high-level RF radiation.
>Long-term exposure to high-levels of microwaves, is recognized, from experimental animal studies and epidemiological studies in humans, to cause cataracts. The mechanism is unclear but may include changes in heat sensitive enzymes that normally protect cell proteins in the lens. Another mechanism that has been advanced is direct damage to the lens from pressure waves induced in the aqueous humor.
>Exposure to sufficiently high-power microwave RF is known to create effects ranging from a burning sensation on the skin and microwave auditory effect, to extreme pain at the mid-range, to physical microwave burns and blistering of skin and internals at high power levels.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation_and_health#Microwaves
>>8123911
Because they are wrong and Santa existed
>>8124267
>twf your presents are brought by Saint Skellington
>>8121577
had my defence force interview last week
first was a full medical, qt asian doctor had to pull back my foreskin :^)
but i digress, after the medical then the Psychology examination took place.
can you believe that?? A REAL LIFE PSYCHOLOGIST LMAO.
So anyway. She asks me how big me senpai is, and why i wanted to join the army, and types this up on her computer.
Before saying, "Alright, I think thats all I need", and then I left and got onto the real interview.
That was it. How ever many years of psychology study to ask those 2 questions, ngl i was pretty perplexed but I wasn't going to ask questions, how my govt chooses to spend 150k a year is its own business!
>>8126115
what the fuck? Family becomes senpai? Who would have known ay?
>>8121577
>Idiot on /sci/ says he beleives in science not psudoscience
>doesn't know the earth is flat
>>8123455
> /x/
>>8123987
You're on /Sci/, and you are literally defying the core tenets of the scientific method.
And frankly, even if you weren't being so retarded as to do that, all we have to do to show how stupid your opinion is is wait for one of the biology fags to show up and explain to you how the shoddy construction of animals on earth shows that if there is a God, he's pretty shit at his job.
My favorite is hyenas. They give birth through their clitoris. It works exactly as well as that sounds.
>>8124260
I... I don't even.
You realise that's like posting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn to defend someone who thinks using fire to cook their meals will contaminate their food with infrared radiation and give them cancer, right?
Of course humans exposed to high levels of microwaves are going to suffer. Humans exposed to high levels of anything will. That's why microwaves have shielding.
>>8122556
sure but a verbal in my asshole could be real too but there's no reason to believe it just as there's no reason to believe aliens are hovering in our atmosphere
>>8126199
autocorrect I meant to say gerbil or whatever those little furry things are that people stick in tubes and let them crawl in their anal cavity
>If I eat seafood once I have to stuff my fat-shit face with it for every meal
Japan eats a fuck ton of seafood and they have the 2nd highest life expectancy in the world.
>>8124504
After reading the rock-hard evidence, I can no longer deny the truth. Veganism truly is the healthiest diet to follow for man to be healthier.
>>8123352
>Either you live like you think there is a supernatural being or you don't
Regardless of what i thought I'd be living the same way, but I don't know what I think anyway. It changes on the daily. So in short, no.
>>8121641
>My family are young-earth creationists.
How would you refute this point?
This argument is flawless and going against it makes you look as stupid as being in favor of it.
>>8121653
>My high school science teacher told us atoms should be able to stay together, but they do because of gods will.
If you want to call it that, then that's fine.
"gods will" is just another term you could use for the phenomenon we are observing.
>>8121664
Fuck religion these people were indoctrinated by other people who were indoctrinated in a long unending cycle, they never had a chance to think rationally. It's hard to give up what you've grown up to believe
This is why I hate religion
>inb4 le fedora
>>8122683
have fun with all those zero fish that dont have high mercury content.
>>8123351
fish are animals therefore are not vegan
>>8126216
while a correctly designed diet with or without meat will be as healthy as one another, it is irrefutable that not consuming animal products is the most efficient of the two options...
>>8122711
>(1) Hucksters sell stories. The internet is the cheapest and easiest way to reach a billion people with a convincing story.
Look at the rise of Donald Trump and the offshoot of the Tea Party/Occupy Wall St/Libertarian/Anonymous/Alt-Right/Alex Jones/NWO 911 Truth
>(2) There is no Feynman. A great scientist who is also a great human being, engaging, exciting, handsome, charismatic, is rare.
When were Degrasse Tyson last published?
The public wants to feel like they're getting it from the horses mouth. The level of autism, especially in the fun things like physics and mathematics is.. well you know, you've seen it. These people couldn't sell you free money, let alone make you excited about their research.
>(3) Current education and technological advancement is stagnating and does not excite people's imagination. You need big ideas to foster interest and positive attitudes.
People would rather believe in fiction than fact, because the facts of their life are unpleasant (they worry about job automation, AI, robotics, GMO food, corporations influencing political policy) and certain fictions can give them an overall framework of belief and meaning (aliens need my special human dna to repopulate their race, it's all light, we're 12 dimensional beings trapped in 3 dimensional hell, just think positive thoughts and anything can happen, crystals heal you).
This is why the poor are religious, and the mentally unhinged are conspiratorial. When your life is shit, the whole world is shit, so you are attracted to that viewpoint.
There are two ways to look at it.
Fuck those people, they are unskilled and basically expendable meatbags who over-consume, overindulge and dilute the gene pool with their idiocy.
Save those people, they are human beings trapped in a cycle that has exploited their base desires, never engaging with their creativity or imaginations.
I could go on for days about the general creationist shit I got all the time, but that's just low hanging fruit. What's really notable is the guy who tried to convince me that heat doesn't exist,and that it's an illusion caused by things sticking or not sticking to materials. Not heat, the concept of warm and cold, I mean heat as in thermal energy. I literally could not argue with this man, because seriously, how the fuck do you even begin? Here's what I remember from it:
>fire is the physical manifestation of heat leaving things
>water is extremely sticky at a microscopic level; it clings to your skin as ice, it would rather cling to itself in a liquid state and it clings to the air if you remove enough cold to it. Not add heat, remove cold.
>Metals feel cold to the touch because our skin doesn't stick to it as well, as metals are generally smooth
>the sun absorbs the cold from the environment
Also spirit scientists. Fucking spirit scientists. Have you ever met one of these fucks in real life? You'll never be so frustrated trying to explain basic shit. Imagine trying to teach a toddler advanced physics.
>>8126485
yeah well, they're retarded but you shouldn't make fun of them, his brian is clearly wired differently
I mean, I could make fun of you for being a mongoloid that doesn't realise the earth doesn't orbit the sun when the stars go around us in a circular motion in the same exact way recorded for thousands of years but no other type of motion in them, but obviously some people were born with inferior minds, it's not right for me to judge you...
>>8126431
>Save those people, they are human beings trapped in a cycle that has exploited their base desires, never engaging with their creativity or imaginations.
Yes but the problem with people that have bitten down on the hook of pseudoscience is that most of them (in my experience anyway) can't be reasoned with. Some of them become defensive. Others just dismiss what they don't like and go off to find a youtube video with gives some bullshit reason as to why they can dismiss it.
>>8126172
Maybe God is just a dick.
Just read the Old Testament, it's an entire collection of stories where god is being an asshole.
>>8126172
>hyenas giving birth through their clitoris is """"""evidence"""""" they weren't designed
xbox sucks compared to ps4 that means that it just gradually evolved from a single microchip :^)
>>8121577
The third, third-from-last, and last items on that list are dangerous.
Real science can be full of confusing jargon and terms that are difficult to describe, it can be undertaken by people working alone, and it can take very firmly fixed positions on things which don't change over hundreds of years.
Pseudoscience can seem clear and easy to understand, it can be pursued by large cooperative groups, and it can appear to be making rapid progress.
These points are not essential to the difference between science and pseudoscience.
>>8121664
Don't worry, I never exposed anyone, I do it just for the curiosity. Also, her friendlist is too cancerous to me to try to find you.
>>8126187
> That's why microwaves have shielding
Never underestimate the stupidity of rednecks
>>8126199
Name one good reason why bigfoot couldn't exist somewhere on earth?
>>8123906
I like people like you
>>8126269
>>8122538
I've seen Bigfoot you mongrel get the fuck off my board
>getting mad abut wacky spiritual mumbo jumbo
holy kek, stay autistic /sci/
>>8126269
Believe it or not, there are some "free thinking" deists out ther bub.
Also fyi: you too were indoctrinated. You just don't know it because you are so deep into the shit.
>>8122548
>a literal reading of the bible and the interpretation of the one literate guy in bumfuck nowhere, America telling everyone else to give him their money.
>praise Jesus and thank gawd for my smokin hot wife
Modern Protestants
>>8127771
> unless indoctrinated retard like me who believes in invisible beings, you're not a freethinker
the irony...
>>8121577
>>8121592
Demonstrate to her the positive effects of homeopathic drugs are exactly the same as those of a placebo when subjects think they are getting a drug, and that homeopathic drugs have no effects when people don't believe/don't think they are getting a drug.
Keep in mind this also covers the "Homoeopathy only works when people believe in it" belief because it is already implied that the effect is not more powerful than when people believe they are getting a drug but are actually getting saline.
>>8129333
>Look at me mom, I'm parroting all these funny names from reddit
>If you call things by funny names, that's like overwhelming scientific evidence against it!
>What you disagree? Then you're just too irrational, illogical, and indoctrinated to see the intellectual superiority of my position. I bet you're religious too!
ITT: undegrad "i fucking love science" types who have never read Popper, Kuhn, Hume, or Descartes
I worked with a guy who believes in chemtrails and posts about them all day on Facebook. He also believes that the Mandela Effect is the result of secret experiments at the LHC to change the past.
>>8129391
>>8121577
I was waiting for a bus when this woman started talking to me, she was really nice and she asked me what I was studying at university, so I told her it was physics, and she said she loved physics and started talking about reincarnation and quantum quackery. I just played along, it was funny, and she was really stupid
>>8121577
I know a guy that believes in the Urantia shit
My uncle is a diehard homepathy believer and this shit is spreading to the rest of my family.
>Mfw my mother suggested me to go to a homeophat doctor to try to cure my nervous tics
>>8127785
Indoctrinated into what? My family is religious, I used to be religious but I figured it was all bullshit
My mother bought a quantum magnetic mattress. She says it works, then I tried explaining placebo to her but she didn't believe me. I also trying to understand how physics doesn't work this way but then she said "well why does it work then" and then I realized I love my mom despite all that
A lot of my family members are into organic food and holistic herbal treatments.
>>8129925
>implying all religions are the same
>implying not wanting to go to church on Sunday is the same as researching into it and finding it doesn't hold up to scrutiny
There's nothing wrong with not following a religion, but damn do many atheists have shitty reasons for it and have many misconceptions about religions that they mostly get from pop-atheists speaking out of their asses.
>>8129508
It's not bait. It's the truth.
This board is hugely undereducated in philosophy of science
>>8121645
>thank
You
>>8121577
I'll be honest with you OP. When I graduated with a Bachelor's in Chemistry, I thought I'd gotten over anything from any horror movie. So I dared myself to watch Japanese horror movies.
Ended up hiding myself beneath the covers.
One of my closest friend fits this. We had quite a few interesting discussions that I could tell but I start with the latest:
>We are at the house of a mutual friend. Something like 5-10 people. all geeks.
>evolution comes up in a conversation.
>this friend: "Did you know that monkies aren't actually our ancestors? Pigs are."
>pigs.
>He shows some article from his phone (maybe this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html).
>I point out that even the article says this hypothesis has been met by significant opposition and show him some other articles about the author and evolution.
>"yeah I still think you're wrong. You should keep looking until you find the articles that proove you wrong."
>"you should find me articles that proove you wrong"
>>8121577
>tfw the most "intelligent " guy in my class (at least my classmates and teachers believe so because he have the best grades in my highschool ) thinks that moon landing is a hoax ......
my ex gf did not believe in 'science' and thought that I was brainwashed for believing it, called it 'a religion'. she didn't believe in atoms, and tried telling me that 'bananas are made of banana molecules, everything is unique, atoms aren't real'. I tried pointing out to her that she uses science in almost every aspect of her life, at every moment, but she said 'just because I use it doesn't mean it's real'. so glad she fucked another guy.
>>8126600
Yeah you gotta approach the as a problem. Best way to convince someone is to appeal to emotion, 3 hours of sky gazing on a clear night does more to open questions in a persons mind than dozens of lecture in physics and astronomy. We all need a natural sense of discovery to excite us about something new. If it feels like everything is already discovered and we can explain almost everything, then a young person is likely to look at a career in science as a kind of bookkeeper or accountant, you add a little bit to the pile but mostly just spend your time reorganizing and cataloging ideas other people have had before you.
This happens often right before a paradigm shift. You see a degree of stagnation and politics enter academia, then a revolutionary new idea appears and it gives birth to a whole new frontier.
Pseudoscience appeals to a persons self-interest because it tells them - hey this is the REAL truth, you don't actually need to know all that stuff that seems complicated and boring, they've been lying to you anyway. We both know you're really clever, you're special, I know I can trust you with this. Can you trust me, here I have evidence!
In reality it's very hard to reason with anyone, this is why lawyers are trained to argue both sides of a case, it is a leftover from the classic Greek tradition of dialogue, which leads all men to a balance between reason and emotion and gives rise to empathy and a common good.
Modern people are slaves to either reason or emotion, creating a false divide between people who have been exposed to different fundamental ideas about what it means to know something.
You can know something that you feel is false, and feel true something that you know is not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GT2zI8lVA
Communicating ideas is hard.
>>8131221
>Best way to convince someone is to appeal to emotion, 3 hours of sky gazing on a clear night does more to open questions in a persons mind than dozens of lecture in physics and astronomy.
Yes, but that's not going to convince anyone that the textbooks are right and they are wrong. I've done plenty of outreach, I know.
Just because you understand the details of something doesn't mean you can't fail to apply it.
>>8121664
This is the exact type of shit my dad would say, as well.
Now he's dead, so look where it got him.
>housemate is always going on and on about how great and essential science is
>follows memediets based on books written by obscure authors who probably didn't even finish high school
>>8122459
>implying a humanitarian movement with no scientific basis just happens to be optimal in any way
calling bullshit
>>8129333
>he's seen gravity
I'm joking, it doesn't exist
Just the other night I was talking to my neighbor and she brought up how someone she knew adopted a kid who had been in a lot of trouble for screaming during the night and going on rampages and shit. She said they were just about to return her to the adoption agency because it was getting bad, when the kid asked her adopted mom if it hurt when she hit her head, and because the mom had a small head injury as a kid (and who the fuck hasn't?) the new mom felt "spiritually connected" to her and determined that the kid was able to talk to spirits.
My neighbor ended it with "And that freaks me out, because, like, how do you tell the difference between someone is like schizophrenic or something and really needs help, or when spirits are just talking to them?"
>>8122521
Good old chick tracts. My father used to make us go around parking lots leaving chick tracts in car's window wipers.
My favorite one is the one that implies gay people are gay because demons possessed them when they were molested.
Christians in the south are fucking crazy.
>>8130950
my university requires everyone take an "argumentation and debate" class which was really just a "say some speeches, don't worry about fallacies or anything like that"
One of the assignments was to give a speech in favor of one thesis statement followed by a speech against it. One guy basically did "9/11 was/wasn't an inside job"
During the Q/A after, someone asked him if he thought 9/11 was a ruse or not. He said he did and appealed to the steel beams argument again, despite just giving evidence to the contrary. Then someone asked the professor what she thought, and the fucking professor said she "definitely thinks we're not getting the full story" and was "doubtful it really happened."
inb4 some /pol/ack tries to redpill me on 9/11.
>>8131884
t. jewy mc fucking jew face retarded kike mason sun worshipping fucker bastard
>>8131884
I don't think we know absolutely everything about 9/11, and there are some fishy things that may or may not exist around it, but I seriously don't think anyone but terrorists could have a motive to bring the whole building down.
>>8131902
>jew wins gorrilions of dollars in insurance
>get loads of oil and resources from war
wut cud dey possubly gayne?????
>>8126431
who are you replying to?
>>8121592
Probably is the only positive thing in life that caters to her emotional needs.
>Overhearing convo between 2 postdocs
>One talks about how hes gonna have to get his son on a diet maybe
>other asks if obesity runs in his family
>she literally says "it sucks how much of a factor genetics is
>"Yeah, it is. And my Dad is kinda fat"
>postdoc in something that means she really ought to know better. I presume hes being tactful since he changes the subject immediately.
I'm a sperg and my parents are anti-vaxers.
>mfw I haven't been vaccinated in 15+ years
>mfw mom goes full retard whenever vaccines are mentioned
>mfw I almost get a preventable disease from an animal bite
>>8132115
4chan is for posters over 18.
Also, google "free clinic"
>>8132115
Take care of it yourself you goddamn child.
>>8123465
>sample size of 10 people
>>8132115
I'm sorry you have to deal with dumb parents, but now is a good time to start taking care of yourself.
>>8129991
anon it doesnt take research to disbelieve the fairy tales in the bible
common sense is enough to make a person not believe in magic and miracles and weird loopholes that conveniently explain why god refuses to provide proof of his existence
that doesnt mean religion is definitely false but it does mean that there's nothing wrong with just dismissing it without writing a thesis paper on why, just as people dismiss all kinds of fairy tales
the onus is on religious people to come up with hard logic and evidence that demonstrates why its not just retarded to believe in old fairy tales
>>8132192
>anon it doesnt take research to disbelieve the fairy tales in the bible
Anon, it doesn't take research to disbelieve in the fairy tales of global warming. Common sense is enough to make a person not believe in miraculously man made environmental change and magical gases and weird loopholes that conveniently explain why scientists can't accurately predict warming if it's indeed happening.
>the onus is on religious people to come up with hard logic and evidence that demonstrates why its not just retarded to believe in old fairy tales
They have, you just have read any of it.
>>8132236
That's a ridiculously false equivalency. You're absolutely retarded.
Different person, bee tee dubs.
>>8121577
Nothing particularly out of the ordinary about pseudoscience, but your story reminded me that one of the biology teachers at my high school didn't believe in evolution. Religion does some weird things to people.
>>8132236
well no, i personally disagree completely
it takes much more than common sense to know whether or not man-made effects can change the climate
common sense gives you conflicting intuitions, on the one hand, large scale pollution has a lot of readily visible effects to non-scientific minds, the river is dirty, the air is smoggy, etc, so it wouldnt be surprising that we are also affecting global temperatures
and on the other hand, humans are quite small compared to the earth and it would be easy to assume that we have no serious effect on it
whereas common sense is pretty clear that magic isnt real, and when somebody cant prove a wild claim they make, they are usually lying, even if only to themselves
also i never said that good arguments for God didnt exist i just said that if religious people want other people to take them seriously and agree with them, they have to present persuasive evidence and argument, it wont do to criticize the uneducated for taking the common sense position
>>8132236
I cringed so hard at the pic's implication that religion is required to become "better people" - I hope all of you selfish fucks who only care because of potential judgment burn in your imaginary hell.
>>8132292
agreed.
people get out of religion exactly what they put into it. it doesn't magically make bad people better.
>>8132292
>required
Where does it say that?
>selfish fucks who only care because of potential judgment
Not every religious person is a shitty protestant.
>>8132236
>Become better people for nothing.
Except for all of the widely available instances of people justifying gross inhumanity with religion. Or religious texts which say that the only thing you need for eternal reward is to buy the author's account hook line and sinker, or that the most vile of atrocities can simply be atoned for by again putting your trust in the unproven word of the author.
Religion makes you a good person about as effectively as wearing a red tie every other Monday makes you a good person, in that it fucking has zero bearing on good personhood. Behaving like a good person is what actually does the trick, and some people do it because their religious while other people justify their inhumanity with the same reasoning.
>>8132386
>Except for all of the widely available instances of people justifying gross inhumanity with religion
Still a drop in the bucket compared to that mass murder atheism has done.
>>8132397
Atheism isn't an ideology, it's the lack of belief in a God/Gods, there are no articles of faith, nor guidelines for behavior, nor a belief in life after death. Yes, individual Atheists have done some pretty immoral shit, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Pay close attention now and read this really slowly so you can grasp it.
Adding religion to a person does not turn them into a moral person, there are examples of this easily available to any human capable of using Google.
I hope that clarifies things for you a bit.
>>8131912
Last time I checked, there are no US affiliated oil pumps in or around Iraq, but obviously you know better. Also, why commit an insurance fraud that would cost more than you made in hush money?
>>8123455
If you're going to argue, then you need to provide evidence for your point.
>>8132397
Are you baiting?
Atheism hadn't killed anybody. You see, those atheists didn't kill in the name of atheism, so atheism isn't at fault. Religion however is at fault, because the religion itself promotes it.
>>8124099
My aunt went through the same thing, except she realised it was bullshit while the tumor was still operable. Thankfully she's recovered but I don't think she's cast off all of the hocus pocus
placebo effect is still an effect
>>8121664
> Catholicism is not Christianity
Thank you for making the distinction. We Catholics at least believe in general shit like the big bang and evolution. We may be deluted retards, but we're not god damn Protestants
>>8133147
>Atheism hadn't killed anybody. You see, those atheists didn't kill in the name of atheism, so atheism isn't at fault
>>8134080
>We Catholics at least believe in general shit like the big bang and evolution. We may be deluted retards, but we're not god damn Protestants
In my personal experience, you are still one of the most cult-like widespread religions aside Scientology and impose your views on others more than average. The only Christianettes I hate more than you are Jehovah's Witnesses.
t. Raised loosely Protestant-ish for 15 years, now a happy Godless heathen.
>>8121577
But OP, why did you post an image whose right side describes economics?
>>8134084
That's some nice cold war propaganda you've got right there. It would be a shame if someone were to debunk it.
>>8134084
Karl Marx never killed anybody, so don't even bring him up.
>propoganda of atheism
That doesn't even make sense.
The Soviet slogan is irrelevant to what we're discussing. That slogan doesn't even imply that they were killing in the name of atheism.
Atheism might be apart of communism, but communism never killed anybody either.
Joseph stalin didn't believe in god, indeed. That quote didn't imply he killed because he believed there was no god.
>atheism must take place of the belief in god
Once again, this quote doesn't imply that anyone was killed in the name of atheism, just that some bad leader didn't believe in God.
>>8134095
>protestants think they know anything anything about Catholicism.
top kek
>>8134238
Bait is usually put out to get a reaction. I wasn't looking for a reaction. I was debunking a piss poor "argument".
>>8134371
You debunked an irrelevant argument no one made, that Stalin killed 60 million. Most modern historians think Stalin killed about 20 million from repression and deliberate famine. That's so much better, right?
>>8129391
Hume and Descartes were fucking quacks.
Fuck off with your pretentious undergrad Philosophy 101 bullshit. If you don't know/do science, then you're a cunt.
>>8134388
>reading comprehension
Literally all he said was that Stalin HAPPENED to be an atheist. Which is true.
Atheism was incidental to his massacre, not causally related. Can't say the same about Abrahamic religions.
>>8123906
>criticizes poster for spelling "think" as "thank"
>completely ignores poster spelling "very" as "vary"
please. if you want to split hairs over grammar, at least do it thoroughly and correctly.
Its understandable.
Consider the pseudo science we call pure maths.
0/1.
0.9999... = 1
Complex numbers.
Infinities. Lol. Infinities!
Fuck off.
>>8121641
Good bait
>>8122869
You are a nigger
They love God too
>>8134633
And then the tard I'm replying to posted about how Stalin didn't kill 60 million, as if that's relevant. YOU failed to read.
>>8126227
>How do you prove that the earth is older than 5000 years?
>>8132499
Yeah that's because they're all Jew affiliated fucking mong.
Your """"tactics"""" don't work here.
