>We physicists do have greater freedom than our engineering peers, in that if we don't like our chosen careers, we can always pursue another, since we are equally qualified for any number of technical disciplines. James Smith, Rockville, Maryland.
what did he mean by this?
James smith never accomplished anything noteworthy, while we have things like one world trade center
>>8015083
>James smith never accomplished anything noteworthy
engineers are less than non noteworthy though. like they go out of their way to inhibit progress with regulations.
>>8015086
it's called safety and it's what stops your diabeetus pump from killing you.
>>8015086
Shut the hell up James Smith, I'm sick of your shit
>>8015091
it's not safety when you make every single component legally require 10000x more mass and stress thresholds to be viable. there's another word for that, it's inefficiency, something engineers are basically born to utilize.
>who needs analysis when you have numerical methods? just monte carlo that shit!
it's literally the mantra of every engineer. truly depressing. i shed a tear every time i see one pass by.
>>8015103
>scientist spends 2 months calculating the exact stress that a beam within a 200 story skyscraper will feel under a wind speed of 13.6 mph from the NNW direction then writes a program that he sells to an engineer
>engineer takes whatever number that program just gave him, multiply by 5 then sells to a client for 1,000x what the scientist charged.
feels good to be a gangsta.tiff
>>8015147
>engineer gets too many requests
>is unable to properly cost analyze all his components
>gets undercut by scientist who is able to efficiently calculate everything using analytical tools rather than a excel sheet
feels good indeed
>>8015103
>it's a "angry neet graduate shittalks engineering" thread
shouldn't you be asleep? mummy won't give you your good boy points if you're not in beddy byes at before 9.
>>8015157
damn all that projecting. how does it feel being in a saturated job market kiddo?
>>8015147
>scientist can't find anyone to buy his program because engineers are busy sucking cocks
So there's even shitflinging within STEM? Interesting.
>>8015256
Go back to tumblr stupid brainlet
What it means is that engineers have to get a job in engineering, physicists can get a job as high school science teachers
>>8015491
engineers can't get jobs in engineering. that's left to high salary/tenure boomers. your delusion is showing.
physicists are only qualified to teach physics
i'd like to see any of them try and teach chemistry or biology
shit would be comical when they cant just chalk it up to not having a fully realized model of <insert whatever question they personally cant answer here>
gotta actually use your brain
He means that physicists can get jobs as engineers if they so choose, but rarely the other way around.
>>8017313
>He means that physicists can get jobs as engineers if they so choose, but rarely the other way around.
thats not true. engineering is legally defined. physics is not.
>>8017331
I obviously meant jobs in the physics field, i.e. "research physicist" or "research scientist"
It is quite common for people with physics degrees to go into engineering, but it is very, very rare to find engineers in research positions.
>>8017312
what are you talking about? condensed matter physicists could easily walk around chemistry or biology. they learn full models of practically everything. it's like nanotech but useful.
>high spectrum sintering lasers
>tunneling microscopy
>hurr you don't know bio even though you can analyze cellular membranes properly
>
>>8017312
Physicists have better acceptance rates to Biology grad programs than Biology majors do. Probably because they actually have rigorous programs.
>>8017351
It's a vicious cycle of physics envy, and then arrogant physicists talking about how great physics is which gives ammunition to the physics crowd.
>>8017360
i'm not even that arrogant. i just feel like people think physics is useless as a broad field, but having broadness is vital for a lot of progress. being a specialist who knows how to program a CNC means nothing if CNCs get replaced with DMLS manufacturing in the next 5 years. but a physicist will still be relevant in that area because lasers and electron beams won't just disappear. to me it's a rationalizing viewpoint for studies and what the future holds for a graduate.
Really? physics undergrads has one of the highest unemployment rate in stem in my country it's between biologists and chemists, I guess it's from the differences in our industries.
>>8017342
>It is quite common for people with physics degrees to go into engineering
no. its not. they may work for an engineering firm, but in no way are they finalizing designs or doing legit engineer work. you need a PE to stamp prints, you can't get a PE without the engineering degree.
>>8017307
The boomer bubble is going to pop soon, it's gonna be a massacre out there in a few years.
>>8017388
Maybe for structural or architecture work, sure. But most EE, ME, and TE don't require PE and yeah, it actually is pretty fuckin common for physicists to do those jobs, especially EE.
I have never seen a job fair in the university that accepted physics undergrads for engineering jobs and I say that because most of my friends are physics major, so I noticed.
If you're talking about Ms and beyond, well then you're comparing undergrads to graduates and so on.
>>8017396
>But most EE, ME, and TE
most EE and ME jobs that don't require a PE are cubicle monkey new grad positions.
if you think thats engineering, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>8017388
do you honestly think an engineering major would be finalizing designs or doing legit engineer work too? it takes ten years to get a PE stamp regardless if you are a legit engineer. most people aren't. there's one PE for every hundred glorified technicians who think they're big for dick riding the title of Engineer.
>>8017396
>Maybe for structural or architecture work,
no. for just about any product going to market, you are going to need a licensed engineer stamping designs. PE's are not relegated to merely construction.
>But most EE, ME, and TE don't require PE
because most engineering jobs are low level cubicle monkey positions. aka apprentice shit you do till you can take the PE exam.
>>8017406
Still way more physics majors taking those "cubicle monkey new grad positions" in engineering than the other way around, which is the whole point of this thread.
>>8017411
>it takes ten years to get a PE stamp
it takes less than 5.
>>8017416
they are getting those jobs in spite of their physics degree, not because of it. you don't even need a degree for those jobs, just a few CAD certs and knowledge of excel.
>>8017432
Whatever lets you sleep at night, engineercuck
>>8017446
4chan is for 13-25 year olds.
Reddit is for 22-35 year olds.
Very rarely are there any top level graduates online in forums anymore.
They jump to conclusions, straw man and contradict well known consensus-based concepts, and in some areas, they even reject axioms.
They don't seem to understand the importance of coherency or source.
In this case, anon straw mans and then refuses to point to a source, just dictating anons memory justifies anons emotional retort and denial.
Debate etiquette calls for references, which I posted, and logical arguments without presumptions, which I posted, but I doubt anyone will take LOGIC for what it's worth when people can try to rely on self-serving biases and interpretations.
Look, if you're still going to troll or act retarded, that's fine.
- Swear
- Ad hominem; Call people names
- Don't provide counter-arguments
- Reject realism and the scientific consensus
That's ok.
Just don't loop.
Looping is cancer.
Personal incredulity and the argument from ignorance are fallacies. You're ignorant.
You imply you have no knowledge of the other kinds, therefore they don't exist.
That is wrong irrational.
:D
>>8017453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omB6bSfskCI
Stop using my posts.
It doesn't imply what you think it does.
It wasn't part of the debate.
>>8017446
It's not engineers who are trying validate their life choices/superiority on a taiwanese internet board. I wonder why.
>>8017453
Look man, it's very common for physics majors to work in the engineering field. You can try and move the goal posts and say "herr derr dose r'nt REAL engineering jobs dey jus cubikal monkey jerbs" but you and I both know that's just because you don't want to admit you're wrong. You can write pages of bullshit for all I care, but the simple fact is, you're wrong. Deal with it.
>>8017458
Are you fucking blind? Or do you just read selectively? Scroll up for christ's sake.
>>8017420
you need 5 years of experience on top of certs that require year long waits.
>>8017461
>herr derr dose r'nt REAL engineering jobs
>i can't tell the difference between apprenticeships and a real job
w/e then man.
>>8017464
Threads like this are predominantly from non engineers, of course engineers are going to reply to those thread, this just confirms that it's not the case of "the are less engineering majors in 4chan"
>>8017474
>Boss's job title is chief engineer
>worked as an engineer for 25 years
>he doesn't have PE
>MFW he's just an apprentice
>>8017490
>physicists can get chief engineer jobs
you seem to think that because engineering has alot of starting points in common with other degrees, that they are somehow doing engineering work. they are not.
>>8017501
Look what I found with literally 15 seconds of googling "chief engineer"
http://www.baesystems.jobs/job-chief-engineer-17841br?codes=ID
Physical science is listed in education requirements alongside engineering.
Engineering physics master race
>>8017512
dude don't bother. engineering majors on /sci/ don't even have their degrees yet, you'll be shocked how many hoops they'll jump to justify their little piece of paper.
>>8017518
I'm majoring in EngPhys and it's the exact same thing as physics but in the engineering school. I guess it does open doors in the future since you graduate with a BSe
>>8017501
They can't realize there's a whole "engineer mindset" that you need to have to solve problems in a practical and fast manner, while being correct. It's not that engineers are better than physicists, they're different. So no, a physicist can't fully fulfill a engineer's role.
I'm so fucking pissed. I just finished my second year studying engineering and everybody is so fucking bad at math it hurts. I like math and everybody told me engineers do math, so that's what I did.
I hate engineers and everybody that told me to study it
>>8017453
The structure of this post indicates high levels of advanced autism. I'm sorry, but I don't think there's any hope for you.
>>8018137
Wrong wrong wrong
Look up just how many engineering job openings also list physics as an acceptable education requirement. It's very common for physicists to go into engineering.
>We mathematicians do have greater freedom than our STEM peers, in that if we don't like our chosen careers, we can always pursue another, since we are equally qualified for literally anything. Matt, "300k", Major
>>8015153
Wew, engineers in your country must be really shit. Let me guess, India?
literally all of my physics and engineering professors for the past 2 years have had backgrounds in both science and engineering,
my engineering professor for 3 terms was a material scientist and my physics professor was an electrical engineer
fuck off retards
>>8015157
But your boyfriend won't give you good cocksucker points if you're not in his bed by 9
>>8015256
You must be new here.
>>8015077
That they aren't qualified for any.
>>8015103
Protip: analyzing components that aren't simple geometric shapes (cylinders, rectangles) at a level beyond a basic static analysis (i.e fatigue strength) gets really fucking complicated and tedious really fast, largely because a lot of it's based on empirical correlations. Some engineering problems don't even have analytical solutions and can only be done by numerical methods.
Nobody's a hardcore enough motherfucker to find the principle stresses and safety factors for the many possible failure points on an airplane, and that's assuming you already know them and didn't overlook part of the fuselage that seems totally fine. Either you have to design in such a way that much of it's reasonably unlikely to fail barring absurd cases, or you need a computer to do the work even the most autistic autist who ever autisted wouldn't do.
