Is it possible the Universe has existed forever?
As in, if we go back 17 trillion years ago the universe would still have been here. If we go back further, still here.
Why does it have to have been created X years ago?
>>7975799
Causality doesnt like it, but then causality doesnt like any of the options
>>7975799
yes u fucking retards
it's called predeterminism
and it's the only thing that makes any sense
sadly, people are stupid
>>7975813
Yeah man, infinite regress makes perfect sense
EXCEPT THERE'S NO CAUSALITY IN AN INFINITE REGREE
ITS A FUCKING CASTLE IN THE AIR
>>7975822
Causality is clearly flawed. There exists no scenario in which it can work
>>7975823
the apriori forms of intuition of space-time are obviously wrong
kant was right
>>7975822
>predeteminism
>infinite regress
way to misunderstand the fucking point
>>7975826
Causality was always flawed, spacetime be damned
>>7975834
spacetime is flawed
>implying the fundamental nature of the universe has to make intuitive sense to the uneducated
>kim is best waifu
>>7975858
Spacetime has nothing to do with it even if true
>>7975799
>Is it possible the Universe has existed forever?
No because it would be in thermal equilibrium by now, which it clearly isn't.
>>7975799
>Is it possible the Universe has existed forever?
It has. The word "universe" means anything at all that exists. So, any time anything exists, including the lack of anything existing, means the universe exists.
>>7976943
>No because it would be in thermal equilibrium by now, which it clearly isn't.
Not if there are pockets of lower/higher matter and energy. Our known universe may just be a "droplet" in something we can't even see or comprehend. Outside of that may exist physics that entropy does not effect.
>>7977011
>Outside of that may exist physics that entropy does not effect.
well if you start changing the laws of physics we can come up with anything. We are assuming the universe is isotropic.
>>7975799
Before an observer was present,the universe didn't even exist .
>>7977011
You have quite flawed logic.
>>7975799
>possible
Yes.
>>7975799
>existed
What?
>forever
How?
>>7975805
Causality is just logic trying to make itself relevant.
>>7975813
>makes any sense
ISHYDDT
>>7975822
Except there's no air, either. It's magic, plain and simple.
Can you imagine what it'd look like if the world was shaped by logic all the time rather than aesthetic all the time, with logic being one type of aesthetic? I bet you can't.
>>7975823
>no scenario
>what is "thermodynamics"?
>>7975826
>kant was right
That's quite a jump.
>>7975832
That's to be expected with acausality.
>>7975834
>be damned
Hopefully not that.
>>7975858
Flawedtime is space.
>>7975874
Spacetime has everything to do with everything if you ignore gravity hard enough. Not even Einstein could ignore gravity hard enough to make it work.
>>7976943
>implying the universe is a closed system
>>7977011
>physics that entropy does not effect
>black hole balloon-o-verses
>1891+342-182+33-68
