Can someone explain when life begins? I know that it begins at conception but can someone go more in-depth or something?
you already made a thread with hillary posting here buttboy : >>8005717
If you're going to say it begins at conception, you might as well say it begins when sperm is manufactured.
>>8005767
Well, it's pretty complicated and depends on what definition of life you use. I say that a human fetus is both alive and a seperate entity when it can survive outside of the mother's body without the mother (technology is fine, I just mean living without being in the mother's uterus). So, this isn't a great definition because that definition will change a technology progresses. Another good definition is the existence of the brain. Of course even that definition is somewhat complicated, but I use the definition of a basic human neurostystem. This has not formed by week 7 or 8, so I feel very confident saying that abortions that happen by this time are not murder (65-67% per http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/).
>>8005767
Fucking leftist commie baby killing scum. Life begins when God (praise Jesus!) created the universe and the Garden of Eden. God has a perfect Plan for all of the universe, and he already knows everyone who is supposed to be born. It's just SJW leftists like you who say life starts at conception or when sperm is manufactured. Fucking liberal cancer go back to >>>/reddit/
>>8005767
Our current definition of life is pretty proprietary.
>>8005800
> look guise im a jesus freak
back to >>>/r/eddit
>>8005819
Leftist cuck. I bet you vote for Bernie and don't even hate liberals.
>>8005835
I don't care whos left and right and I don't even knows whos on the side with pro-life or pro-choice or whatever. But jesus freaks belong to >>>/r/eddit.
You can try /lit/ as well but they're gonna tell you the same thing.
>>8005836
When Trump becomes Jesus' Holy Emperor Servant he's going to erase you SJW libcuck mudslimes. Fuck, why do you hate America so much you nu-male cancer?
>>8005845
Because fuck you. Why should Americans be so special ? Your country belongs to the whole world, not just you. It's not even your own land, you stole it from the indians. But now that other brown people come there's a problem with it ?
Fuck you uncle tom white trash cumskin.
>>8005852
Nice strawman. Not an argument.
>>8005860
it is an argument. america belonged to the indians, now refute that you colonist piece of shit
>>8005866
Lel, cuck. Post an actual argument.
>>8005879
> i cant refute it
Typical. Stay in your christian home until you and all other christians get wiped off the planet cumskin. Enjoy your last few centuries
>>8005835
>I bet
There is no wagering on 4chan, Grandpa.
>>8005885
Nice ad-hominem you shit eating cuck SJW leftist.
>hurr dude weed lmao XDDD
>>8005890
>Dude free shit XD
>>8005892
> u-uhh we stole this land from indians
> lel i dont give a shit ur ad-homineming xD
>>8005898
Nice try pajeet.
>>8005767
technically eggs and sperm are alive, so if you want to get down to the nitty-gritty of it, life never begins on the human time-scale of things. it simply continues.
>>8005902
> denying indian genocide
LOL. you cumskins are ridiculous.
>>8005907
Not an argument.
>>8005907
>genocide
i love this one. you can blame bacteria and viruses for 95% of that so-called "genocide".
and this was back when people didnt even know about pathogens, so without awareness of the fact, you can't have premeditation, and without premeditation, you cant have a crime like genocide.
>>8005912
bacteria didn't kill the indians in the original america, the colonizers did...
learn some history you pale fuck
>>8005906
They're not because human gametes aren't capable of replication.
>>8005917
lol. why dont you check that out a little closer...
for example, by the time wagon trains were rolling in to oregon, local tribes had already been decimated by rolling epidemics over several generations. their culture and populations were destroyed, the survivors huddled in shock in the ruins, barely clinging on to survival.
then we butchered those survivors.
>>8005925
>Since there is no unequivocal definition of life, the current definition in biology is descriptive.
Healthy gametes are living cells.
chicken
>>8005845
What is with it and Conservatives and their fucking lingo terms? Can they never argue with facts or evidence so they constantly have to resort to name-calling?
>>8005969
> white-washing
> white guilt
> racism
> xenophobia
> homophobia
> [insert generic bullshit here]
libtards are the fedoralords of coming up with retarded labels. if anything you america hating mudcucks deserve more labels
>>8005852
>It's not even your own land, you stole it from the indians.
So has every civilization, what's your point? Just because the land hasn't always been ours, doesn't mean it isn't ours now.
> Because fuck you. Why should Americans be so special ? Your country belongs to the whole world, not just you.
Because we have the largest military in the world and our government is the single most credit-worthy entity on the planet. Our country's debt is the 'risk free' asset that all other assets our priced off of. The US belongs to its citizens, not the world. Maybe if these other countries had strong militaries they would have a country that belongs to them instead of one that effectively belongs to any Tom, Dick, or Sally that feels like invading, but they don't so it's kind of a moot point.
You sound the prototypical, ill-informed liberal who thinks he is superior to everybody else but is really only as informed as prototypical red neck you love to pick on (and assume everyone who disagrees with you is).
> inb4 triggered because of the use of a male singular pronoun in a context where the gender of the subject is unknown
>>8006013
> muh military
I'm so glad that Bernie will take your precious violent military away from you and actually feed the poor of America. As I said America is not yours if you stole it so it doesn't belong to you. So you can stop with the "muh american gubernment"
And no, liberals are the only thing that holds America together. if it was up to you maniacs you would have destroyed yourself already
Life is characterized by the presence of all or most of the following:
1. Metabolism
2. Motility
3. Evolution
4. Reproduction
5. Growth and development
6. Response to stimuli
A more simple and broad definition, given by NASA, is "A self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution".
A single diploid human cell matches all aspects of these and is genetically Homo sapien, meaning that by definition human life begins at conception.
>>8006021
>I'm so glad that Bernie will take your precious violent military away from you and actually feed the poor of America.
I'm so glad that he won't even make it to the general election, let alone be president. He's financially illiterate, and probably lying, telling what his supporters want to hear just like every other politician.
> As I said America is not yours if you stole it so it doesn't belong to you. So you can stop with the "muh american gubernment"
And as I said, so has every other country. Just because you gained land by stealing it doesn't mean it isn't yours. It's basically the country equivalent of possession is nine tenths of the law.
> And no, liberals are the only thing that holds America together. if it was up to you maniacs you would have destroyed yourself already
No they aren't. They just don't want to admit that they are just as stupid as everyone else. Now you, in particular, seem to be from the bottom the bottom of the barrel. Somehow you've combined total ignorance (and refusal to learn) with that uniquely liberal smugness. Tell me, if your country's education is so great, then how are you so stupid? You must be a special type of stupid to be this way despite your country's education.
>>8006031
Bernie will win the elections and stump the trump. Mark my words. People already hate trump due to his unprecedented bigotry and hate towards every group of people. While Bernie might not be so honest about giving free stuff to people, it's a hell lot of a better choice than Trump. Trump will run USA like a business, and it's gonna be dirty. A socialist will make sure everyone wins.
Too bad America is too violent and self-centered to see that.
>>8006048
>People already hate trump due to his unprecedented bigotry and hate towards every group of people.
Am I on the fucking onion?
>>8006053
> muslims
> minorities
> women
am I missing any ?
>>8006048
>Bernie will win the elections and stump the trump. Mark my words.
He hasn't been winning delegates, what makes you so sure he's going to all of a sudden turn it around? A lot of people see through his populist bullshit.
> People already hate trump due to his unprecedented bigotry and hate towards every group of people. While Bernie might not be so honest about giving free stuff to people, it's a hell lot of a better choice than Trump.
But people realize that Clinton is a better choice than Sanders.
> A socialist will make sure everyone wins.
No he won't. Not only is it impossible for everyone to win, but higher taxes isn't really a win. If I wasn't sure that Sanders won't make it to the primary I would be considering a transfer to a different county so that I can keep more than half of my income.
>>8006062
"Hur dur Trump is racist". Now that we've broadened the word racist to include basically everybody it holds zero value.
>>8006062
>every group of people
>lists two groups and a third larger group that includes one of the two other groups
None of those groups even actually hate him. I personally know muslim arab immigrants, women, black people, homosexuals, and mexicans who are voting for Trump. This meme of "lol what a bigot" is just bullshit.
>>8006068
> Clinton is a better choice than Sanders
nice meme. She already has a sketchy jacket. People crossed her off the list already.
A socialist order is better than a CEO type corporation hierarchy. America is full of unemployment and poor people, and we frankly don't need more of that. And yes, it is wrong and racist to treat a whole group of people for their worst values.
>>8006071
> I personally know muslim arab immigrants, women, black people, homosexuals, and mexicans who are voting for Trump
People who will be forced out of America is voting for the guy who will force them out ? Am I supposed to believe this ?
>>8006074
>nice meme. She already has a sketchy jacket. People crossed her off the list already.
It's not a meme, she just happens to not be financially illiterate like Sanders. She's a shitty choice, but she beats the hell out of him.
> America is full of unemployment and poor people, and we frankly don't need more of that
First of all, the president has almost no impact on employment or the economy as a whole (the government doesn't even deal in monetary policy, that's the Federal Reserve's job). Second, the U3 is only 4.9-5%, that's pretty damn good.
> And yes, it is wrong and racist to treat a whole group of people for their worst values.
No it isn't. The definition of racism is believing that some races have certain characteristics (particularly that if you are a member of a race you inherit those characteristics) that make them (and therefore every member of that race) better or worse. If you aren't doing this, you aren't being racist by definition.
>>8006075
Stopping immigration of muslims =/= sending muslims here to their home country. Also, not all mexicans are illegal immigrants (you racist), so not all mexicans would be kicked out.
>>8005767
life begins at 40
everyone knows that
can someone explain to me which political side is in favor of which idea as it relates to pro-choice issue ? I don't even know what it's all about.
>>8006074
>America is full of unemployment and poor people
Yea beacuse of delusional incompetent socialists like bernie, and the cuckservatives who go along with them
>>8006249
well you need to stop outsourcing shit, which means you gotta stop giving all the hard labor and imports coming from china, which means you need to stop being a capitalist, which means american corporations need to profit less just so american citizens can earn more jobs, which won't happen because they don't give a fuck. I think this is why Trump gets a lot of support from the big guys upstairs rather than voting for turning into a socialist system.
>>8005767
>Can someone explain when life begins?
It BEGAN hundreds of billions of years ago. And it has been continues and uninterrupted ever since.
But I suspect the topic of the debate is HUMAN life, and more specific the life of human embryos. And the Christian show stopper “WHEN DOES A HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?????”
People will argue whether it begins at conception or at birth or at the first heartbeat or years after birth when someone becomes “conscious ”. All these are equally arbitrary. Human life does not begin at conception or at birth. It is continues like all life.
The egg is alive, the sperm is alive, the zygote is alive, the embryo is alive, the baby is alive, the infant is alive, and so on…
Oh, and for future reference, homework belongs in >>>/hm/
>Obligatory
>>8005767
How DARE you imply that sperm isn't alive! Masturbating kills children! You murderer!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>8005980
White guilt is a term used by conservatives to insult anybody that recognizes that any form of discrimination against non-whites ever happened. The left definitely did not coin it.
The rest are actual words that existed long before America came to be.
>>8006071
>None of those groups even actually hate him
Good luck in the general. I bet $300 on Bernie back in November to win the election to win $3400. I want you to remember come this November that an anonymous man on the internet just won a bunch of money.
>>8006083
>First of all, the president has almost no impact on employment or the economy as a whole (the government doesn't even deal in monetary policy, that's the Federal Reserve's job).
Regardless of the fact that the only type of economy you've ever known about is America's semi-capitalism, if the president has no impact on the economy, why are you worried about the president's economic literacy? That's like an NFL coach not drafting a star lineman because he's bad at math.
>If you aren't doing this, you aren't being racist by definition.
Except that's exactly what he's doing. He's going to cut back on his extremist speech in the upcoming months when his audience starts to include more of the traditional left that hasn't even bothered watching the republican debates, but that doesn't change the fact that historically throughout his entire life been very racist per your definition. If you don't believe that I would wager that you also have not watched any of the debates.
>>8006258
Nah man just free market no rules it'll solve corruption, unemployment, conflict in the Middle East. The simplest solution is always the best.
>>8005969
Leftists:
>transgender
>otherkin
>transphobia
>islamophobia
>people of colour
>microagressions
>racist
>sexist
>biphobia
>homophobia
>fat acceptence
>white trash
>feminism
>agender
>triggering
Who's the one making up terms again?
>>8005767
We still don't know enough to answer this.
>>8006654
>leftists
americans*
>>8006663
>be european
>have ideology that causes damage to society
>"N-NO!! AMERICA DID IT! AMERICA DID IT FIRST!!"
Never change, retard.
>>8006619
> Regardless of the fact that the only type of economy you've ever known about is America's semi-capitalism, if the president has no impact on the economy, why are you worried about the president's economic literacy?
So I can call bullshit on his grand economic plans. It's like is a far right conservative christian was running for some position having nothing to do with science, I'd still call that person out on his scientific illiteracy. I don't want Sanders because I don't want to love over 50% of my income (the majority of my income is in a bracket taxed at over 50% and way over 50% when you include payroll tax, plus much of my yearly income is capital gains, which he wants to tax at over 50% for my bracket) to taxes. That's why I'm so happy he will never win anything.
> Except that's exactly what he's doing.
Source? I'd love to just take your word for it, but you've shown yourself to be extremely unreliable.
> If you don't believe that I would wager that you also have not watched any of the debates.
I've seen every Republican debate except one. haven't seen it because I actually know what racism is.
>>8005774
Makes no sense at all. Life begins when the sperm's DNA fuses with the egg's DNA to make a new 46 chromosome individual.
>>8005767
It has begun millions of years ago, then it split into many bodies and shapes
>>8005767
Let me just say that I think it's wrong to base OUR idea of when life begins on scientific grounds.
Why? Because scientifically speaking, life doesn't exist, it never did.
The right thing to do is to choose a point, a boundary if you will, scientifically verifiable, but not scientifically motivated.
We have to accept that if we are going to deal in human life, we can't use perennially incomplete scientific data to determine its worth, when it begins, or any aspect of it.
These things are philosophical matters, religious even.
I stay with the idea that life begins at conception, because I intuit in this a certain potentiality to good and a lyrical validity grounded in being itself.
I believe its the right thing.
>>8005767
a big white alien drank out of this thing and then fell on a waterfall
>>8006775
>It's like is a far right conservative christian was running for some position having nothing to do with science, I'd still call that person out on his scientific illiteracy.
The bottom line is you like the income you got when you were exploiting a rigged economy, you think it amounts to fraud that our economy should provide reparations to everyone it was rigged against.
>>8005767
life begins when you can prove you know your own name.
>>8005767
>Can someone explain when life begins? I know that it begins at conception but can someone go more in-depth or something?
It begins when the organism has real human thoughts. This doesn't happen until the kid is 6 months old. So we're being VERY generous to define abortion illegal after the second trimester.
In all fairness there is no rational reason to keep a child alive with congenital malformations and deleterious mutations, save for sheer callous vanity.
>>8006775
>It's like is a far right conservative christian was running for some position having nothing to do with science, I'd still call that person out on his scientific illiteracy.
The presidency is inherently a scientific position. He appoints a cabinet that includes the agencies overseeing all aspects of official scientific policy.
And in every fucking case since before you were born that guy was a Christian because only putative christians can get elected because christians are the "unreasonable man" upon which our elections are decided.
Otherwise you'd have "in science we trust" on the money. But no, we have "in god we trust" and since then by every measure America has just gotten shittier and shittier.
>>8007431
>These things are philosophical matters, religious even.
You've apparently never heard of biology. Idiot much?
As it is with Christianity, so it is with the idea that a life is of inherent value.
That is
>If you are constantly searching for loopholes and rationale to work around something you believe to get at what you fucking want, you don't really believe your own shit.
>>8007469
And you apparently don't understand biology. Are you fucking retarded?
>>8007467
not him but the bible doesn't mention abortion at all
and life is said to start with breathing
so it's not really religion's fault this one
It can’t begin before birth because that would be offensive to me.
>>8007450
>The bottom line is you like the income you got when you were exploiting a rigged economy
I'm not exploiting a rigged economy, that's just what poor people and financially illiterate populists call possessing valuable skills and working 100 hour weeks for the past 7 years.
> you think it amounts to fraud that our economy should provide reparations to everyone it was rigged against.
The economy isn't rigged, that's just what failures say to justify their own failure. It's easier to accept that the economy is out to get you than that you failed through some innate defect of your own or even just bad luck.
>>8007451
Does that mean Amnesiacs aren't human until they figure out who they are?
>>8007560
i suspect that's a hollywood interpretation of amnesia and there are such things as exceptions for extra-ordinary cases.
>>8007584
>i suspect that's a hollywood interpretation of amnesia
Oh no, not at all. In fact, there's this odd phenomenon that's been occurring with globalization and whatnot. People will go to a fucking city to visit, right? They suddenly FORGET A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHO THEY FUCKING ARE, name, spouses, any kids they have at home, take up a job there, and start a new fucking life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state
>>8007584
>there are such things as exceptions for extra-ordinary cases.
Of course there is. It's just a sign in this case that you don't believe your own shit. The difference is that the thing going on the chopping block isn't too keen to fucking protest about it.
>>8007614
uh, yeah, not so sure about that. isn't that the plot of fight club?
>>8007623
it's not so much a sign that i 'don't believe my own shit' (as defined by your interpretation of a single sentence and your interpretation of consequential ramifications), as this post is a sign that you don't believe "any shit at all".
the clear and inalienable point is that 'being a human' involves more than just jizz landing on a pussy. it's a process that develops with stimulu. the 'soul', so to speak - because that's what the question is really about, isn't it? - is the matter of 'individuation as someONE'. we don't care about animals because they don't intellectually care about themselves. there is no self for a cow.
but in the human, in their second-third year, typically, something *distinctly different* from the animal form of consciousness emerges. a seperation of self from environment. and this is the fundamental ground for all moral reasoning, indeed, reasoning altogtether - without which there is no necessity of deciding 'right from wrong'.
once this 'seperateness' which distuinguishes the human animal emerges, it becomes morally wrong to kill it without it's implicit permission (aka justified self defense, as commission of violent assault on another human implies that they think it's ok to kill someone - so it becomes fair game to kill them in return. etc)
this is my reasoning for suspecting that nothing at all which you believe in is well thought out or reasonable; you have misinterpreted yourself not believing in an actual rational cause for any fact, for me not believing in my own statements, when confronted with refinements to the rational intent thereof.
>>8005767
>when life begins
the question is too vague and open-ended to be meaningfully addressed
I think this thread definitively proves that /sci/ is shit.
>this thread
>dumb leftist faggots being baited by an obvious troll this hard
>>8007469
Do you really think I didn't account for biology when I used the term "science?"
And you mean to call me an idiot?
Cute.
