>Jan. 17 Falcon 9 • Jason 3
>Launch time: 1842:18 GMT (1:42:18 p.m. EST; 10:42:18 a.m. PST)
>Launch site: SLC-4E, Vandenberg Air Force Base, California
>A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Jason 3 ocean altimetry mission. Jason 3 will measure ocean surface topography to aid in ocean circulation and climate change research for NOAA, EUMETSAT, NASA and the French space agency, CNES. Delayed from March 31, July 22 and December. [Dec. 12]
>Tomorrow at 10:42 AM PST SpaceX is scheduled to launch the Jason-3 satellite into orbit from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. For many, it will be what happens after the launch that’s most important. Shortly after liftoff, SpaceX will make another attempt to land the first stage of their Falcon 9 rocket, this time on a floating drone ship in the ocean.
You ready, /spacex/?
>>7789255
>SpaceX will make another attempt to land the first stage of their Falcon 9 rocket, this time on a floating drone ship in the ocean.
1. Checked
2. Landing the first stage on a drone ship in the ocean, successfully, would be a monumental step forward in the quest for cheap spaceflight.
>also akin to landing a brick on a floating sponge
last two launches with climate related payloads failed
How long before they do anything with a human mission?
>>7789424
>Supposed to happen sometime this year, if all goes well. They're supposed to be ready for ISS crew rotations next year.
Nice.
They test fired the last rocket recently. Testing it for reusability.
Where can I find a live stream?
>>7789667
I wonder how long it will last from take off to landing.
Whats the point of landing on a barge?
>>7789688
Safety or some shit
>>7789337
intentional sabotage?
>>7789688
Reuse.
It's meant for high-velocity missions, such as FH launches. The core of the FH would be scheduled to land on the barges while the other stage rockets would land on land.
If this goes well, SpaceX is just gonna swallow the whole launch market altogether.
Nothing ULA or ESA can do. They've been laughing at SpaceX for years, and now they find themselves in a situation where SpaceX is gonna start piling up first stage like crazy, while they throw theirs until at least 2020.
>>7789780
Still have to build second stages
>>7789802
Sure, but that's basically 2 tanks and an engine vs 4 tanks and 10 engines.
>>7789780
SpaceX will "only" swallow the launch market for cheap/ low risk sattelites withtheir low prices.
When it comes to national security or a billion dollar satelite the most important factor is the launch record which spacex fucked up a little since their rocket blew up in summer.
>>7789857
You'd think that, then you realize, they're gonna be much more able to launch things faster.
Want a launch next year? Sure, no problem.
>>7789688
The rocket's coming down in the sea.
>>7789865
it usually takes years to plan, design and assemble a sattelite so that is hardly an advantage.
As for national security launches, i think the contractors are required to have rockets on hold for them anyway.
>>7789894
Let's put it another way.
Launch contracts are usually settled years in advance. Because the queue is that long.
Now you can get an earlier launch if you put the extra $. The highest bidder gets the earlier one. Meanwhile, it only costs SpaceX a second stage anyhow.
Reliability is still much unknown at this time. I'd say, 1 failure in 10 or so launches isn't that bad. Ariane 5 failed its first 2 launches and ULA had some fails back in Delta II days.
I don't expect Ariane 6 and Vulcan to have a better record in their first 10 launches.
>>7789901
or you can just book the flight for your billion dollar sattelite years in advance of assembly on a rocket with a better launch record, beacause there is barely any disadvantage in having to book earlier.
>>7789943
>there is barely any disadvantage in having to book earlier.
That is total bullshit. The reason new satellites take years to build is that they're full of cutting-edge new technology, which nobody is experienced with. That makes the build schedule not simply long, but unpredictable.
If they have to book a flight years in advance for a spacecraft with an unpredictable construction schedule, this causes all sorts of problems, commonly resulting in spacecraft being shipped to the pad incomplete to be worked on to the last minute, which causes delays, cost overruns, staff burn-out, and flaws in the launched spacecraft.
For similar reasons, high launch cost is a major issue, especially when you need to order launches far in advance.
Building two of a fancy new satellite doesn't really cost a lot more than building one (although some profiteering scum contractors will try and charge as if they cost the same). Furthermore, it gives you some security against damage-causing accidents before launch: when you build multiples. Launch reliability is only super-important for expensive, long-lead-time launches.
>>7789688
If they can do it, it means the landing pad can be just about anywhere they want in the world. So it can always come down in a good weather area.
>>7789857
It will get to the point they will be launching something once or twice a month maybe more.
>>7790384
That's not really how it works, particularly compared to flyback.
Reversing course and returning to the launch site means returning to land at a place where the weather was good enough to launch just minutes ago. So barge landing compared to flyback isn't going to improve weather conditions for landing.
What the barge allows is not freedom to choose the place you land for ideal conditions, but the ability to put a landing surface near the spot where the depleted stage will naturally fall to, minimizing the propellant required to reach it.
The flyback maneuver is costly. Saving propellant for reversing the course of the rocket significantly reduces the performance of the launch vehicle.
A downrange barge landing is much less costly. The stage more or less falls directly to the barge, with minimal redirection.
This will be especially important for recovering the center stage of the Falcon Heavy, which is essentially a three-stage launch vehicle. The side boosters can deplete early, compared to the normal Falcon 9 first stage, and fly the short distance back to land, but then the center stage will still be nearly full of fuel, going much farther downrange and to a much higher horizontal speed than a regular first stage. The performance penalty for flyback would be far more severe than it is for the side boosters or on single-stick Falcon 9.
i am hyyyyyyyyyyyyyype
>>7790449
>What the barge allows is not freedom to choose the place you land for ideal conditions,
That is exactly what I was meaning. It is up and back before the weather ever changes and can do so anywhere in the world's oceans if needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkz_lclGXNg
>2 hour and 34 mins left!
>>7790605
I'll be watching the other feed. I expect they'll put on more of a show in the "hosted webcast".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdKRJzl6y0
>>7789943
Why does your payload cost billions of dollars in the first place?
Most of them are basically an antenna, a computer, small thrusters and propellant tanks. Maybe some fancy optical piece for observations.
See, because you don't plan on launching a bunch of them, or having a spare ready to launch in case n°1 fails, you make damn sure it will operate for at least a decade.
It's the wash machine economics. Back in the days, a wash machine was bloody expensive, but it lasted 2 decades. Now they're cheap but last 5 years.
>>7790615
>not having both up at once
>>7790616
>Why does your payload cost billions of dollars in the first place?
It depends on the satellite. Some are really cheap and some are over 2 billion. Or, you can cob something cheap and small together in your garage and pay $4k to $12k per kg to have it launched by Interorbital Services on one of their Neptune rockets.
What's up nerds? /sp/ here.
SpaceX launches are the only times I visit /sci/
Who /hyperloop/ here?
>>7790643
>pay $4k to $12k per kg to have it launched by Interorbital Services on one of their Neptune rockets.
That is by far the safest strategy to protect your payload, since you are guaranteed it will never launch.
>>7789688
"atonomous drone ship"
>>7790756
/sp/ you say? If you are a gambling man, you can try your luck at Landing Barge Bingo.
http://asds.dansdoorway.com
Friendly reminder that Elon Musk was bald.
>>7790829
Wow, he has really moved up in the world.
What's piglike doing these days?
>>7790805
>one year free L2 membership for the winner
utter tears at you mugs. I make $500 on a slow day via sports betting. I'm so shrewd I have a 3% ROI in asia. I don't have time to play bingo with you penny punting slugs. Sending pellets your way lmao.
wow is there ANYTHING this guy cant do?
>>7790829
>get mocked for being bald
>also get mocked for getting hair plugs
wtf is he supposed to do then
>>7790856
Get a haircut that works with the baldness.
Fucking fog is gonna ruin the whole thing.
HELLO MARK_TAIWAN
So which stream is better, the hosted or non hosted one?
is nasa tv covering this?
>>7790867
Won't the fog make everything look super cool (assuming the launch doesn't scrub) ?
haha, everyone is outside watching this time.
Are both streams way out of sync for you guys too?
Captain America came!
What the fuck is Captain America doing there?
>>7790894
NO, it will make everything look like fog.
>>7790902
He heard about the high levels of freedom in the area.
I dont like the sound of this 'minor issue'
Is this how our parents felt during Apollo?
It is kind of underwhelming.
>this fucking crazy thick fog
It's go lads
>>7790912
all go on terminal count
NASA stream is actually more exciting
I take it they're going for a polar orbit, right?
>>7790913
This isn't such a big deal. This is just a satellite launch. It's kind of neat that they're making a landing attempt for reuse, but this isn't even their latest model of rocket, so it's not really something they'd want to reuse anymore. The recovery attempt is just a technology test.
audio got back in sync again
we're good
>>7790921
will it eventually be up on youtube?
I'd put money on it not actually launching today.
So the guy on the hosted webcast just said this was the last time they do the gonogo thing on the webcast can someone tell me why?
CANT SEE SHIT
The hosts on these SpaceX webcasts piss me off. They purposely cherry pick the select few good looking/non-autistic rocket scientists and put them in front of the camera. I work at a SpaceX competitor and 99% of this industry is ugly/autistic as fuck.
>>7790913
First succesfull attempt of stage 1 landing was bit like that.. I nearly "turned blue" as i watched it touching down. As it touched down i was "breathing again".
They have all these systems they need to check for "go" status.
Why the fuck are they using voice to confirm everything is go?
Can't they just put up a server and sync with each other via that?
You could even put more information than just go/no-go for each system.
>>7790931
check the no-commentary stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkz_lclGXNg
goddamn it is foggy as fuck
>>7790931
i see your moms vibrator fine in that fog
>>7790933
this
>>7790929
That was clumsy. I think he means it was the last such poll for the old Falcon 9 1.1, as opposed to the new Falcon 9 1.1 FT model (with densified propellant, which has a different procedure leading up to launch).
>>7790933
>I work at a SpaceX competitor
EAT SHIT FAGGOT
>>7790928
I'll bet you 5 spacebux they light that candle today
>>7790929
>So the guy on the hosted webcast just said this was the last time they do the gonogo thing on the webcast can someone tell me why?
This is the last Falcon 9 V1.1
All the rest will be Falcon 9 Full Thrust, FT, or per spacex internal use - just falcon 9. FT versions use supercooled lox and cooled RP-1, and the readiness poll is conducted ~38 minutes before launch - just before prop loading. That is before the webcast starts, so you won't hear it online.
>>7790935
I think they want to recreate old apollo missions a bit.
Same thing with lector countdown, no real need for that.
>>7790937
so much better
OH MY GOD 5 MIN
>>7790935
1. It's cool.
2. Better to hear from the guy in charge that everything is go rather than some computer program. Adds in some responsibility on the other end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdKRJzl6y0
https://youtu.be/vkz_lclGXNg
5 Minutes!!!!
>>7790933
...so?
absolutely every single industry ever does this
why are you salty
wtf does "strongback" mean?
>>7790944
( the landed Falcon 9 from last time was a FT version as well by the way, with some improvements compared to this version, so this version might crash anyway during landing)
>>7790953
it's the tower that supports the rocket
>>7790953
It's just the name for the towers either side of the rocket, holds the rocket and is what all the pipes climb up.
heavy breathing. 3 minutes
IT HAS RETRACTED
5$ on failure to land.
>>7790935
Well it makes everything sound more impressive for public engagement purposes, plus it is another way to keep a man in the loop for the launch. It allows an actual person to use their discretion rather than leaving it up to cold, lifeless algorithms .
Holly shit, that barge is as stable as my mental health
>FTS ARMED
A BOMB!
>>7790960
10 bucks says it succeeds
I hate this guy's voice. It's the cause of the failure months ago!
do they have a camera or drone on the boat?
or is this going to be like the last attempt where we had to wait for musk to tweet a fucking vine of it
No way it will land.
We get it. You vape.
>>7790962
That's good news anon.
>>7790970
>when you gotta launch but you not done with your bud
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Stream stopped working for me.
>>7790970
falcon getting high and shit.
OH GOD IM DYING !!
10 SECONDS
Well at least, if it explodes, we won't see it.
>Tune in at 30 seconds left
Talk about good timing.
LIFT OFF BOIS
CANT SEE SHIT
dat watervapor
just werks.
Dragon Manned Capsule can hold 7 people. Musk should get Americans excited for manned space flight again, by holding a lottery. One dollar tickets and you are entered into a drawing to be a passenger on the first manned Dragon flight. Provided you are healthy enough to survive the flight. He could raise enough to pay for the winner into orbit and then some. While also getting a huge amount of free attention in the media.
Who's the qt?
nominal nominal nominal nominal nominal nominal nominal
Cool
these 2 hipsters won't shut up
>>7790992
He'd have better luck hiding golden tickets inside chocolate bars desu
goddamn quit flipping around all the cameras like that
>>7790998
protip
watch the other stream
>amazing shot of rocket lifting off, making all the fog light up beautifully
>HMM LADS LET'S SWITCH TO FUCKING BLACK-AND-WHITE PHONE-CAMERA TIER CHASE CAM
fucking spacex
>>7790998
There's a link to a commentary-free stream here in the thread.
I wonder if these are just media pr people or if they know anything about all this.
How long will it take to land?
Yuropoor here.
Does the youtube stream work?
All I'm getting is some gay ass hipster music.
>>7789857
The competition for national security launches also have had failed launches.
Getting hype for first stage landing
>>7791004
3 more minutes.
3 mins ETA on drone ship landing
>>7791005
Here's the non-reddit stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkz_lclGXNg
>the cheering that you see
Sure honey whatever you say
YES live ship camera!
>>7791015
keked
looks wobbly
holy shit the swells on that barge
>I-it's okay if we fail
drone ship is moving a whole damn lot.
They either need to get something bigger and more stable, or just go to dry land landings.
>>7791021
It seems like they should have made it like 10x the size it is.
Stop fucking talking bitches
lol barge cam frozen
elon musk needs to pony up for a better internet connection to his drone ship
It froze, yay
"theres no wifi"
HURR DURR
>>7791026
>something bigger
It's already the size of a football field
>or just go to dry land landings.
That's the plan, but that means they need more fuel to make a u-turn.
>>7791031
Drone ship confirmed kill
video feed is ded
rip
Video froze, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
VIDEO FROZE
WHAT THE FUCK
>>7791029
dumbass
drone ship is ded
Thinks the landing failed, no telemetry from this page http://www.flightclub.io/live.php?code=JSN3
>>7791032
4g when
>404, droneship not found
>not one black guy on stream
>current year
>>7791031
Direct hit. I repeat direct hit.
>>7791031
oh god it's going to unfreeze with either a massive wreck or a landed rocket
or maybe the camera wont come back on because it's a fucking fireball right now
it's toast
The rocket landed on the camera
It's ogre.
yay, they fucked the steam up on the best part.
wtf get your shit together JRTI
CRASHED
R
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H
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D
oh shit...
LOSS OF SIGNAL
First stage confirmed kill
>loss of signal
rip
The rocket got cucked. I repeat, it got cucked.
>spacex in charge of barges
B L U N D E R
>>7791053
they cut it off because it was ogre
>That little mouse cursor in the stream
NOOOOOOOOO
First stage didn't slow down and just dropped and killed the barge
This fucking ayy lmao music what the fuck.
FUUUUUUUUUCK
Don't they have helos out there? I think they'd know pretty quickly what happened to it on account of needing to get in and get it fastened
probably blew up
>We can launch and land a rocket but we can't get a fucking video camera to work.
do they have any other video of the barge? like those helicopters from a distance? or will this be an entirely no-video flight because of shitty wifi?
What is this going on right now, this music. no.
SHUT IT DOWN
$20 it dipped in the ocean
Do you guys not realize the bandwidth required for a video feed? Relax.
Well at least, the mission seems to be going well.
>>7791076
its a "GAME OVER" song
>>7791064
hope to see it in /b/ gore thread.
Digging the beats
> Just read the instructions
Forgot to read the page that said slow down before hitting barge.
BOOM
Probably didn't want to announce that it exploded on the air
>>7791074
For the next launch Elon will use cameras that are made in-house to have a tighter grip on the quality control
>"second burn is later than predictions"
hmmmm
>>7791076
It's the sound of Aliens trying to read our minds.
NASA TV stream glitching up
ayys are onto us
>>7791079
It hit the AT&T bandwidth cap.
>mouse cursor in the stream
>>7791078
Not taking it.
Any tweets coming out of space x?
>>7791087
they didnt have to show any live video of this at all. They wanted to.
>>7791090
Posting in KSP thread.
Who XCOM here?
>>7791089
>Standing by for status
That stands for "we fucked up"
>>7791085
hello reddit
>tfw space cylinder isn't coming home
is stage 1 kill?
>Spacex incharge of barge technology
They need one of those platforms the oil well guys uses to keep things perfectly level.
>>7791054
who is this guy in the middle?
They would be cheering by now, they know exactly what's going on. It crashed again
>mfw Stage 1 hit the mission control
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
I always believed I'm a person with a bad luck. I didn't watch the falcon 9 landing and that's why it succeeded,
>>7791107
That's what they have.
It's all OGRE now
>>7791103
Thanks
>>7791106
They are quickly putting another rocket in landing place to then turn the camera on.
>>7791094
That's why they are going to launch those Internet satellites with Google, to make better streaming of launches possible
LE MILLION DOLLAR FIREWORK
>>7791100
Still in one piece?
Commander, I recommend we get a strike team to the crash site immediately.
How much does stage 1 cost and how much does fuel?
>>7791114
I can't find a photo of what I mean, but that barge didn't look like one. these are really awesome machines
" The 2nd stage engine has cut off #Jason3 is now coasting in an intermediate orbit until 2nd stage re-start in ~46min "
>trying to land rocket on barge
>not building custom spacex mother base
baka desu senpai
>>7791113
No, I'm pretty sure I'm the one with the bad luck. I watched the explosion in June, too.
>>7791122
ask mr.musk
THIS MUSIC FUCKING SUCKS
What the fuck is this music?
>>7791122
I think fuel is about $200,000, not sure about just the stage 1 though.
music really starting to hot up
>>7791129
Where is my DEATH GRIPS
>>7791107
https://i.imgur.com/Y57Bamb.gifv
>>7791134
why is fuel so expensive?
>>7791122
about $50M-60M for a complete rocket (both stage 1 & 2)
about $200K for fuel.
This muzak is straight up late night SMS chat TV program tier
>>7791140
thanks obama
>>7791140
Dead dinosaurs are expensive anon.
Elon right now
>launched in fog
>45m to sat deployment
>no word on 1st stage
>ayy music
JUST
>>7791140
Because shekels
>>7791140
don't want 3rd world countries going to space
CAN'T TUSK THE MUSK
where is this going to land?
>>7791122
From what I've heard, incremental cost of a first stage is about $20 million, and the fuel is around $30,000.
However, aside from the incremental cost of building the stage, there is also the facility cost and overhead involved in having a certain amount of manufacturing capacity, and the limits and difficulties of expanding.
By reusing the stages, they can do more launches without building a bigger factory and training more people, which takes time.
By doing more launches, they can make more use of launchpad facilities, and have reasons to streamline launch operations.
>15 white dudes in lauch control
>1 token woman
they did say there was a low probability of success for the landing though
so what the fuck happened to stage 1?
>>7791140
Elon should synergize, and put some tesla engines up in this bitch
WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THERE ANY UPDATES ON STAGE ONE
Fuel is cheap. That's about the same price it costs to fuel a 747.
>>7791159
and she kept fucking up on the radio too lol
>>7791157
On water after tipping over
maybe engine exhaust just damaged antenna?
>>7791157
anyone know?
Do rockets pollute a lot?
>>7791138
That isn't what I was thinking of, I found it though.
>>7791114
>>7791123
Are these normies or spacex people?
