Hey, /r9k/, some of you might remember me, but I am a guy who archives/catalogs information and images about Silent Hill, specifically SH2. I am bored and pulling an all-nighter, so I was wondering if anyone wants to talk about Silent Hill, ask lore questions, hear my theories, learn some trivia/fun facts, whatever.
I will probably be here for at least a couple hours, I've got some coffee and I'm ready to go.
I also have some download links for the PC versions of the games along with widescreen/other fixes if you guys are interested.
why are you so into it?
Can you help me find pyramid head porn that isn't gay or guro?
>>28016841
I first came across the game back around 2004 I believe, and I was only 7 years old, but it intrigued me. I read and read, and asked my dad to get it for me for my birthday. He did, and I played the hell out of it on my PS2. I still would read about it all the time after I finished it. I then followed all the Silent Hill games, playing them all as I grew up (unfortunately they got worse as I got older). But about 2.5 years ago I got big into theory discussion and lore interpretations, and just about a month ago I decided to start this archive with the goal of being more extensive than the wiki, along with having custom higher res images than even the wiki has.
>>28016855
Sorry pham, I can't help you cause I would have no idea where to look.
>>28016779
i never played but would love to, it intrigues me ,
are they steam links?
>>28016993
There is an HD Collection on Steam, but DO NOT BUY IT. The HD Collection butchers the games, changes the voices, sound effects, graphical glitches, less fog, it's terrible. Here are the download links:
SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk
SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8
SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE
SH4 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc
And in case someone's once again new to this PC gaming stuff: Use a program like DaemonTools Lite to mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
The "sh2proxy" fix works as a no-cd crack as well, and is included in the pack.
In case you experience issues saving the game / not being able to edit the disp.ini, make sure the files aren't set to "Read Only", and run the game as Administrator.
If SH2 gets stuck in a black screen upon launch, close it and re-start it again.
here's the recommended emulator settings for SH1. Works great on all other games too.
The plugins used are:
-Pete's OpenGL 1.78; (more options & better performance than 2.x version)
-Eternal's SPU Engine.
Bump, just finished with Angela's document, only one more character to do before I touch up the enemy documents- James! Strangely enough I think Angela's document is larger than James'
What did the nurses represent exactly?
Do u do fan fiction?
>>28017148
SPOILER WARNING:
So Mary's illness left her bedridden in St. Jerome Hospital, and James would have to go and visit her. Every time he did, he would see these sexy, attractive, young, uncaring nurses. You know, just uncaring, in and out of the room, faceless and nameless nurses. During Mary's illness, James had no sexual relief. He had feelings of extreme guilt for noticing the attractive nurses, and that is what the nurse enemies represent- that's why they are dressed up all sexy with short skirts and cleavage. Also, after the hospital section, you go outside to a completely pitch black/dark Silent Hill, and what do you find that wasn't there before? Sexy nurses wandering the streets, at night. Night walkers, you could say- hinting further at their sexual origin, and perhaps at the fact that James may have cheated on Mary with prostitutes. There is no confirmation of this, just very subtle hints. Whether it's true or not, likely depends on your James and what ending you get.
Have any ideas for your own Silent Hill game? Since you are so invested in the series.
>>28017195
No, although I do write out long lore interpretations and theories. I guess I've written a few short stories taking place in Silent Hill, but nothing serious.
>>28017218
Honestly, recently I've been playing Dark Souls 3 and thinking a lot about how well some of its design elements would play out in a Silent Hill game. I just mean the melee combat, movement, and so on would make it so the actual gameplay of the games is decent. I don't know, that's just more of a fleeting thought than anything though. I would love to see a Silent Hill game with an actual veteran of war (not like Homecoming, an actual veteran with PTSD). Something like that would lend itself well to the psychological trauma inherent to the games' protagonists. I would love to say battered housewife but that's too derivative of Angela.
>>28016779
I stopped playing after 3 they were shit.
Played the arcade shooter in japan was actually pretty fun
>>28017303
I think 4 is good, Origins is decent, and Shattered Memories is at the very least a great reimagining of the first game.
Downpour, Book of Memories, and especially Homecoming suck my sweaty balls.
>>28017321
I really liked 3 tbqh fa
> Except when harry dies like a bitch
Was hella mad
>>28017321
But Downpour was the best western Silent Hill game.
>>28016779
I've got to say man, I really admire you and what you're doing. I've always wanted to find a particular game which I can involve myself in to such an extent. There's this bizarre appeal to documenting all possible knowledge of a game and becoming the authority on it.
>>28017383
I love 3 almost as much as 2, I have a glancing archive on it currently I plan to delve into once I finish 2's.
I agree though, such a shame. Fun fact- Harry's dead body is a slightly modified model of James.
>>28017395
What if Harry...IS James?!?!
>>28017395
Yeah i know :(
The alien ending kind of made up for it kind of
Also
>cybil helping you raise the child is not canon
Konami why you so mean??
>>28017387
I disagree considering SM and Origins were both Western. Origins has very little meat to it, but it's still a decent game. Downpour has some wonderful, wonderful ideas, but it botches it for the most part. I do like Murphy though, and the Surprise Ending is awesome.
>>28017394
I really, really appreciate your kind words. I don't consider myself the authority on the game, that's Ito, but I do know it like the back of my own hand. It just evokes a passion in me.
Have you played Silent Hill inspired games like Lone Survivor or Forgotten Memories: Alternate Realities(It's got the voice actors of James and Eddie in it for a few lines)
>>28017411
Kek, well they're both just Stephen King, that's what inspired them and their look. Hell, Jame's concept model looks just like Harry in the hair/head department.
>>28017429
Konami is full of assholes.
>>28017435
>Origins has very little meat to it, but it's still a decent game.
I heard it was complete lore-rape.
Ever watched any of the SH movies?
>>28017456
>Konami is full of assholes.
That was pretty clear when they cancelled Silent Hills. They really are such a drag.
>>28017445
I have played Lone Survivor, I like it a lot, also it's item pickup noise is ripped directly from Silent Hill.
I was waiting for Forgotten Memories to fully release, I thought it was an episodic game. I do plan to play it though.
I can't remember what game, but there's one that Ito and Akira Yamaoka were working on that I planned to play once it released, I think it's in development hell though.
>>28017456
I heard the game was inspired by the film Jacobs ladder
Also what did you think of the siren games? They were pretty spooky and hard or maybe i just sucked at them
>>28017456
Yeah they managed to get rid of kojima and fuck up other games :(
>>28017477
Have you tried the Siren series or the Evil Within?
>>28017462
I haven't played Origins in a few years, but I think you might be thinking of Homecoming because THAT game rapes the cult element of Silent Hill into dust. Origins was a very self contained story for the most part, Alessa appears but it's only at the beginning, and then to explain the Otherworld.
>>28017474
Yeah, plus all the Pachislot bullshit.
Do you think there's anything I can do to fill the void that Konami made by killing Silent Hill?
>inb4 play pachinko
I like listening to yamaoka's tracks while walking around at night pretending a stick I'm holding is a pipe, but that's not enough.
>>28017504
>rapes the cult element of Silent Hill into dust.
Well, the cult in Homecoming was just a sect of the already extinct regular one.
>>28017478
It is. In fact, the scare effect is taken straight from Jacob's Ladder. The way the enemies twitch/move where a few frames are cut out? That is from Jacob's Ladder. Also, Tim Robbins' character wears the same kind of military jacket as James does.
I've never played the Siren games funny enough, I intend to and have been working on emulating the early ones, along with Fatal Frame.
>>28017494
Yeah, plus permanently scaring Guillermo Del Toro out of video games. Fuck them.
>>28017500
Neither actually, I wanted to play Evil Within but I only recently got a PS4 and my computer isn't good enough to run it. I am planning to pick it up cheap in a couple days. I'm a big Resi 4 fan.
>>28017522
Kek, I've done the same with a 2x4, pretending to be James while listening to White Noiz. I think the only way to fill the void is to replay the old ones, that's what I do. I've beaten 2 well over thirty times. I have the #14 fastest speedrun time on it.
>>28017537
The Order is actually a mistranslation from 3- it was meant to just be an order, not an official The Order type cult. There is a cult religion, but it wasn't meant to be so identifiable and full of human workers like in Homecoming. The entire Order in that game is derivative of a mistranslation, plus the cult ought to be dead after SH3.
>>28016779
How can I play the games without being scared?
>>28017572
>plus the cult ought to be dead after SH3.
I think Walter killed the last of them for his apartment-mother.
>>28017579
By not being a pussy anon
>remember playing the first one in middle school with the lights off spooky as fuck
>>28016779
What's the deal with Eddie?
Everyone knows Silent Hill 1 is actually the best.
>>28017601
True, true, that's a good point. So they were even more dead after 4, Homecoming is such a piece of dog shit.
>>28017579
They're actually not very scary. The number of jump scares in 2 and 3 combined is 2. No joke. They just have an incredibly unnerving atmosphere, and they will disturb you. They're from a time when horror was about subtly. Although 3 is scarier than 2. Some of the enemy noises are beyond terrifying though. Hell the ambient noise is terrifying, case in point:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/e/e3/Whisper.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20100430213621
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/f/ff/SH2_Prison_Monster.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20091219225204
Just try them out.
>>28017619
PTSD from constant fat-shaming.
>>28017634
>Dat pic
Jeez, no wonder James smothered her. It's a mercy killing.
>>28017624
In my opinion it is 2>3>1>4>SM>Origins>Downpour>Book of Memories>Homecoming.
>>28017619
SPOILERS:
He came to Silent Hill after a life time of getting bullied for being fat and ugly. He was mainly bullied by football players. Before coming to Silent Hill, he had enough, so he took his dad's revolver and shot a football player's dog, along with the football player in the knee. He has never actually killed any humans though, confirmed by Ito. He is extremely paranoid and (quite comically) claims the dog was "walking all over him". He has terrible self esteem, and he was inspired by the Columbine shooters. He is named after Eddie Murhpy, as he was originally very cheerful, and his last name comes from Louise Dombrowski, a Twin Peaks character.
>>28017610
I've had SH1 since 2001. I keep it hidden away because the chick with the weird eyes on inner cover where the CD goes scares the shit out of me. I have two copies of SH2 and the chick on the front cover also scares the shit out of me. I played it once and got scared at the pyramid head sex part. Never played it again.
Seriously, I can play Fatal Frame all night in an empty house with the lights off, but Silent Hill feels like the shit in the game will appear irl.
>>28017634
NOPE NOPE
Well, looks like I'll have to piss out the window again cuz I'm not going to the fucking bathroom at this hour after hearing that shit.
>>28017656
SPOILERS:
That was part of it, as he tells her in the Leave and In Water endings, but it was also due to her severe verbal abuse of him, and his terrible sexual frustration, which caused him awful guilt.
Fun fact- James actually killed Mary just before going to Silent Hill, and Mary's body is actually in James' car at the beginning, in the trunk/backseat.
>>28017634
>True, true, that's a good point. So they were even more dead after 4, Homecoming is such a piece of dog shit.
Boy do I got some info for you:
>Homecoming was suppose to a trilogy
>Old characters like Heather, Henry, and Laura(who was Elle) were suppose to return
>Pyramid Head was suppose to have a much larger role
>The finale would have Josh and Alessa having a "Super Saiyan" battle over Toluca lake with Josh controlling water and Alessa controlling Fire
>Origins was suppose to be a dark comedy inspired by the TV show "Scrubs"
>Downpour in early development was suppose to have Murphy be an definite criminal and it had an American Psycho quality to it, described as "What if Patrick Bateman was loose in Silent Hill?"
>>28017670
Have you ever masturbated to Laura? Be honest.
>>28017678
Kek, I know what you mean about it appearing in real life. There's something to the enemy designs that is so disgusting and disturbing, along with the sounds, it's just terrifying. I have become so accustomed to them I forget my initial terror.
Yeah, those sounds are scary as hell.
>>28017634
I actually found 2 to be the scariest
Fucking pyramid head
>>28017678
Don't worry anon, I'll hold your hand when you get scared :^) just meet me at our special place
>>28017708
Sorry to break your heart but I actually know all those. My area of specialty is trivia. Laura being Elle is the most troubling thing to me.
Fun fact- Elle's design is actually Heather's original design, which they recycled for Elle.
>>28017716
Never, but I've lost a lot of swimmers to Heather.
>>28017742
>Elle's design is actually Heather's original design
Now where did you here that from?
>>28017729
The rooftop encounter with him is terrifying, that's for sure. I just find Stanley Coleman and the construction building in SH3 to put it slightly over the top scarier than SH2.
>>28017731
Kek
>>28017759
Interview with Tomm Hulett, and this concept art from the Lost Memories DVD, compared with Elle.
>>28017761
Dunno man 3 wasnt as scary as two for me except for pyramid heads creepy cousin dragging your corpse if you die in the nightmare world nigga always turning that valve spooky
>>28017742
I didn't really see a problem with Elle being Laura. Except for the parents thing since Laura's an orphan. They could have just had her adopted though.
>>28017742
Rule 34 on Cynthia Velasquez
>>28017792
Yes, Valtiel is his name. He's likely Heather's manifestation of Pyramid Head.
>>28017798
It just bothers me because I know they would have ruined her like the ruined the rest of the game. It's an interesting idea, that's for sure. Fun fact- Mary's name is Mary Shepherd-Sunderland. She may be of some relation to Alex Shepherd/Shepherd's Glen.
>>28017825
I prefer Eileen.
>>28017832
>Mary's name is Mary Shepherd-Sunderland. She may be of some relation to Alex Shepherd/Shepherd's Glen.
Yeah, I think in some files before the release of Homecoming, Alex laminates on it.
>>28016779
It's very specific but somewhere in SH2 you come across a baby carriage accompanied by a mannequin (I think it's near the empty pool at the appartments). The mannequin appears to have died while walking around with the baby carriage.
What do you think about the whole "everyone is/turned into a monster" theory?
I know it's the other games but Vincent from SH3 even jokingly asks Heather if "she sees them as monsters" while we know that every monster from SH1&3 if a figment of her (Heather/Cheryl/Alessa) imagination and drawings, but what the monsters from SH3 represent is more unclear than the more self-explanatory more animalistic monsters from SH1.
>>28017863
Yep, he's talking about past Silent Hill events and notes- "was she related to me?".
>>28017908
That's actually not true, you find the baby carriage inside the empty pool surrounded by three lying figures.
I really like that theory, very much so. Vincent says, "they look like monsters to you?" He goes onto say he's joking, but he seems pretty serious. The monsters in SH3 actually are pretty clear as to what they represent- Heather/Alessa's internalized fear. There's a lot of childbirth/sexual anxiety due to Alessa's early experiences and Heather's divine pregnancy, and so on. There's also a general theme of duality in the monsters, from Closers to the Pendulums.
I like the theory that everyone has turned into a monster, but there's so little evidence behind it that I can't say if it's true. It's up to your own head canon honestly- I don't think of it that way, but you sure could and it would still make some sense.
>>28016923
Do you like 1 and 3 better than 2? I prefer 2 because I found the cult stuff in 1 and 3 a boring cliche. I thought 2 was more interesting because the town itself drew from their minds. I may also be the only person that enjoyed Downpour.
Have you heard of the fangame: Silent Hill: Alchemilla?
>>28017963
>Yep, he's talking about past Silent Hill events and notes- "was she related to me?".
Man, you really documented fucking everything, huh?
>>28017969
I prefer 2 slightly over 3, and 3 a good bit over 1. I don't think the cult stuff is bad per se, but I do find the blood and rust aesthetic not as interesting. I could explain why I find the design of 2's otherworld/normal Silent Hill astoundingly brilliant if you want, but it would take a few minutes.
>>28017976
I have, I played it. Very spooky, I would recommend it to fans of the first game.
>>28017991
I try to be more thorough than the wiki, I put a lot of time into my research.
This thread is full of memers! How can you just sit there and shitpost?
>>28018049
Did you mean to post in this thread? I think you might not be in the right place, this is a good thread.
>>28016779
Sorry this is not much about Silent Hill itself but the term "comfy silent hill" got me thinking that I really felt /comfy/ playing SH2 when I was younger. It was scary but I jst felt so good with the mist and music and the atmosphere. Bloodborne did a similar thing to me but it was not quite like it. Do you know any other horror game like Silent hill that felt comfy for you?I am not edgy but I enjoy this so much.
Anyone in this thread looking forward to Allison Road and Visage? I would mention Layers of Fear but it already came out.
>>28017969
Don't worry friendo, I liked downpour too. The side things and mysteries were great. However, the actual main story was a bit short and the monsters weren't as creative as the others. The sequences where you go into the othetworld and chased are really cool.
>>28018079
No, no, you're not wrong. I get the same feeling of comfiness, it's a comfy game. Honestly SH1 and SH3 are pretty comfy in the same way once you're in town and it's all foggy and snowing (snowing only in SH1). Similarly comfy horror games though, I find REmake very comfy. RE 2 as well.
>>28018096
>>28018111
Don't get me wrong guys, I enjoyed Downpour, but I think it's a weak Silent Hill game. The enemy and environment designs (except for the Otherworld) and cliche and bad, but the side mysteries and some of the story ideas are great, I just think the execution leaves something to be desired overall.
>>28017969
>I may also be the only person that enjoyed Downpour.
*cough* *cough*>>28017387
>>28018136
There was a theory among fans when trailer came out(I got you this time. I know you never heard of this) That Murphy was a sex offender/Child molester.
Why are you making your own personal archive instead of adding to the wiki?
>>28018165
You're right, I hadn't heard that, that's pretty interesting. I would kind of like that, honestly, a very guilty person who's less sympathetic than James entering Silent Hill- maybe a child molester or wifebeater. Maybe the monster designs could reflect their abusive past, or them being molested which led to a later cycle of them molesting others- just really, really terrible and dark stuff. I think that would be neat.
>>28018183
I like to keep it local on my hard drive. I also take some pleasure in the fact that I have more than the wiki, even going in the game and taking my own high res photos of things even the wiki doesn't have. I might add to it once I finish my archive, though. An anon last night suggested I make my own site dedicated to Silent Hill 2 with all of my lore interpretations and theories.
>>28018215
I would actually read that if you made it
>>28018246
The anon gave me a link to a good website maker, and I copied it down so I think I might just do it once I finish my SH3 archive as well. I appreciate the kind words, that's nice that someone finds it interesting enough to read it.
>>28017678
>Fatal Frame
Fuck I forgot about that game. Was fucking fantastic, except when I was playing in my dark room and I started hearing the static and voices from the ghosts out of nowhere
Scared the absolute fuck out of me
>>28018305
You should check out DreadOut. It's somewhat similar.
I just finished my character documents, they're all huge. I'm going to explain why I really like the environment design of SH2 really quickly, and what I believe them to mean lorewise:
The standard issue Silent Hill environment in SH2 is washed out- it's how the apartments look, it's how the Lakeview Hotel looks, it's how the prison looks, it's how the hospital looks before the Otherworld. Everything looks like it has been flooded in the past, everything is water damaged. My interpretation of this is that it represents two things- one, James' intention of killing himself in Silent Hill, which is confirmed in the novelization which uses the In Water ending. His suicidal ideation is apparent numerous times, when he looks at Angela's knife, reading the journal on top of the hospital, it represents his future intentions of driving his car into Toluca Lake and drowning himself. But it also represents too much water- flooding means too much water, and what does too much water mean? Drowning. Drowning=suffocation. It's James' psyche projecting his repressed knowledge of suffocating Mary onto the environment.
The other interesting thing, pic related, is the Otherworld design- notice that everything is tightly wrapped in cloth- in my opinion this has two meanings. One, something in James' psyche is hidden, "under-wraps"- the fact he killed Mary. Two, look how tightly everything is constricted by cloth- it reflects the tight restriction of the pillow on Mary's face, suffocating her. It's too tight to breathe.
>>28016779
OP I love you, I'm a big SH fag. It's brought me so much joy throughout my friendless no gf robot life.
I haven't read your whole thread yet but I gotta say the music of the games moves me a lot. Or hell everything about it moves me a lot. Here's a cover of theme of laura I started making recently. Sorry it's so short.
https://clyp.it/jrtc5doi
>>28018354
I love you, too.
Also, awesome cover man! I started learning guitar 3 months ago, and all I've been playing is Silent Hill music to be completely honest. What's your favorite track? Mine is probably White Noiz, or Laura Plays The Piano.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFmfuRyN_Kc
If you're a big SH fag I'm sure you know a lot about it, but if you have any questions I am sure I can answer.
>>28018256
Im a big sucker for reading lore for horror video games especially if its really detailed.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10006633
>>28018393
I could go on and on about it man. Once I finish my enemy documents I will get started on a website.
Fun fact- Laura and Mary's designs come from the movie Con Air, specifically Nicolas Cage's daughter and wife.
>>28018409
Here is Mary's dress by the way.
>>28018401
Not sure if you meant to post it here, but go buy groceries.
Thoughts on the Resident Evil series?
What do you make of the Silent Hill movie?
I love the old RE games but never once played SH
>>28016779
Why was there a chimp ghost in the school?
>>28018445
>Resident Evil Series
Love RE 1, 2, 3, REmake, and 4, 5 was fun, never played any of the others to be completely honest. They don't inspire nearly as much passion in me as SH though.
>What do you make of the SH movie?
Never seen either of them 2bh. I hate that Pyramid Head is in them for the same reason I hate that he is in Homecoming.
I would highly recommend Silent Hill, I put download links above if you want to snag them and play them for free friend.
>>28018473
Those little clear ghosts in SH1? They were representative of Alessa herself. That's why they did no harm, and walk up to Harry- for protection, they want an adult to protect them from the horrors she had to live through.
i fell in love with silent hill, here have some sh music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5u1kTM3wE8
>>28018079
>>28018112
>comfiness
Weirdly enough I agree these games being comfy, I think that might actually be why the game is so terrifying. Because it knows exactly where the uncanny valley is, where things border between familiar and weird. The games even have several truly comfy moments where you're considerably safe, usually after exiting the nightmare world. This contrast makes the games work so well.
Bloodborne had that same feel of comfiness, but wasn't as "creepy" as towering eldritch horrors generally exceed the more realistic fear of a human-sized monstrosity. Those screaming cunts in chalice dungeons are far more terrifying to me than, say, Amygdala.
I started playing SH when the SH1 demo disc came with the copy of MGS1 I got for my 11th birthday. The demo featured the uncensored "grey child" content and I remember the genuine confusion and panic I felt as I got stabbed to death by knife-wielding ayy lmaos.
>>28017963
I just remembered that when returning to the first monster you encounter the scene seems to be taped off as if it were a crime scene. This obviously doesn't necessarily mean that you simply see everyone as a monster, but it does imply that there are people going on with their daily normal lives in Silent Hill.
>>28018510
Love that one, plays during the game results.
Here is my fastest time by the way, just for fun.
>>28018538
Kek, knife wielding ayy lmaos. I'm glad someone else knows that feeling of comfy from SH.
Also you're right, the scene is taped off. There are some strange implications throughout all of the town honestly, but yes there is some version of Silent Hill which is real and functional- it's where Mary and James visited the first time, of course.
How do I keep Eileen from harm from those goddamn ghosts in the subway? Those talisman things don't last for shit.
>>28018351
Imho I think the cloths are generally used as a representation of abandonment. They indicate people didn't just disappear, but that they closed shop first, picked everything up and only then left him behind.
>>28018570
I hate the Eileen escort half of SH4. Just keep plowing through things I guess. I can't think of any other tips, just run past them.
>>28018573
That would be true except for
1. Silent Hill is still a functional town. Mary and James visited it not long before his second visit, and it was a normal place. There is a version of the town that is normal, and one that is made by the character's psyche.
2. If they just wanted to cover up things to prevent dust, why cover the ceiling and walls, too? Also, a lot of the coverings look very much like flesh.
>>28018595
Don't you need to stay close to her and keep her protected to get the better ending? There has to be a strategy.
>>28018620
You do, but there's other factors as well. As long as she isn't constantly getting hit you should be fine for the good ending. I wish I could help you more, but really you just have to trudge though and beat back anyone who gets too close to her. The ghosts are by far the hardest enemy in the game.
>>28018595
That's the point - it's a psyche thing. Covered up furniture etc point at a deeper abandonment.
They indicate people left you rather than just drifted away. As such, the fact we can see them everywhere, points at the character feeling abandoned. It's a pretty standard trope and usually used in movies.
>>28018112
Thanks I didn't notice resident evil remakes. Will definitely try.
Do you know any lovecraftian game? I love listening to HPL's audiobooks like Color out of Space or Lurking Fear, any game with similiar atmosphere? Call of cthulhu did it for me in the first part of the game, would definitely recommend
>>28018675
I see, I see what you mean, you definitely could be right. It's all very open to interpretation, and I'm sure there's more than one explanation. Very cool theory friend.
>>28018683
My go to lovecraftian game is Call of Cthulu, I can't think of any other with that same feeling of Lovecraft besides Bloodborne honestly.
Bumparino famtino
This makes me want to play SH2 again. Thanks dude.
>>28018785
No problem, there are download links up above if you want to play it on PC in widescreen HD.
I don't know if this thread will still be up in about 10-15 minutes, but I'm going to grab some diet soda from the gas station. Hopefully it's still up when I come back, see you soon friends!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPnkqLVJYA
I find this track to be very comforting but Im not sure why
>>28019098
That is probably my favorite track in the whole game, up there with White Noiz and Laura Plays the Piano, because it PERFECTLY captures that feeling of numbness you feel when something devastating happens to you.
I love that Pyramid Head emits his own red glow.
>>28018889
Do you guys think this anon will ever return or will he just abandon us like everyone else?
>>28019178
Oh I'm back right now friend. Got some diet mountain dew, grabbed a shower, and took my pug outside really quick.
>>28019176
It never made much sense to me why he glows red in this specific scene.
>>28019254
I would give you an in depth explanation, but there really isn't one. Throughout the rest of the game he has a very faint red glow when in the dark, but never that strong. There's no lore explanation, just coincidence I guess.
I still think Abstract Daddy is the most disgusting and disturbing enemy design in all of video games.
Is anyone interested in hearing some of the symbolism behind the enemies? Pick an enemy and I can explain, it's pretty interesting.
>>28019351
I recall reading some theories that it's because he is the red God some memo in the game makes a reference about.
But considering Pyramid Head is supposed to be James's wish for punishment, that wouldn't really make much sense. But in Pyramid head's lair, there is an implication that he is the one that is putting all the bodies inside frames, so maybe he is the otherworld's manager or something lol.
>>28019471
True, he is another manifestation of Valtiel, but a lot of enemies have a similar red glow so I think it's just sort of a Silent Hill enemy thing, like the Jacob's Ladder scare effect, a trademark of sorts.
Yeah, he is the one who creates Flesh Lips.
>Otherworld's manager
Kek, he really is.
>>28017009
Well, you made it easy thx. I hate searching for links all the time. Also ive never played any of them, so i think ill start with SH2.
>>28019521
Highly recommend it, it has all the fixes for widescreen included as well. If you're going to play 3, play 1 first, or at least read the story, it's pretty much essential. 2 is very standalone though. Enjoy, friend!
Just finished my catalog of character documents, character images, enemy documents, and enemy images. Feels good, just a few things left to do.
Bumping once more, just for fun.
Going to give this one more bump because I'm done gathering information for today.
>>28019875
I love discussing Silent Hill, but sadly right now i have to sleep. See ya.
>>28019994
It's all good man, I'm pulling an all nighter so I'm trying to stay occupied.
I hope you sleep really well my friend, and I hope your dreams are sweet.
Question, did Dahlia mean to burn Alessa or not?
There is a theory that the impregnation ritual does involve immolation, but that the fire got out of hand. And then there is also a theory that the ritual involved no fire, and that Alessa started it by blowing up a boiler with her powers. I don't know which is true.
Personally I'm leaning towards the whole Dahlia burned Alessa side of things. Alessa was shown to be fairly submissive towards her mother, I don't think she'd be directly aggressive towards her, and Dahlia is hubris enough to think that she alone can summon god from her house and claim familial ties to it, her thinking that she can keep the fire in check doesn't seem that unlikely.
>>28016779
what's the scariest and/or most disturbing thing in SH2?
>>28020041
I'm not an expert on Silent Hill 1, but from what I know Dahlia did it on purpose. She was extremely abusive, hit her (according to her teacher K Gordon), locked her in dark attics for weeks, and was basically incredibly torturous to her for her whole childhood with the intention of provoking out some of her power. So I do believe she burned her intentionally, and it got out of hand what with the entire home burning down. This is implied pretty strongly in Origins as well.
>>28020079
Most disturbing? Angela's background. Raped and beaten by her father as well as brother, told she deserved it by her mother. She looks like a 30 year old woman, but is only 19. This is intentional, meant to show that she's been aged beyond her years.
Scariest? Personally I think the scariest part are the random whispers you hear in the prison and the apartment:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/e/e3/Whisper.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20100430213621
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/f/ff/SH2_Prison_Monster.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20091219225204
>>28020099
The arguments against that are in a newspaper article which can be found in some version of SH1, claiming that a boiler started a fire. Also, the fact that Heather suffered no immolation.
Still, Heather underwent no ritual at all, leading me to believe that whatever was done to "impregnate" Alessa simply stuck on to her reincarnation. And the article also claims that Alessa died. The cult had its fingers in too many pies to take anything the officials say at face value.
But yeah, SH2 is the best as far as story and characters go.
>>28020274
>The arguments against that are in a newspaper article which can be found in some version of SH1, claiming that a boiler started a fire.
I remember that, it's coming back to me now. I haven't played SH1 in a few months. SH3 is fresh in my mind though, and you're right, it's an immaculate conception with Heather. I was always under the impression that it was a "left over" of sorts from her Alessa half.
I agree man. Also, that's such a wonderful image- I will never forget that sight because it's so spooky.
Thanks for bringing up this question by the way, I'm going to freshen up on my SH1 lore/notes and try to figure this thing out. Interesting stuff.
What you do you think about Twin Perfect's The Real Silent Hill Experience?
>>28020423
I've only seen part of their videos, I don't really like their comedy shtick and find them somewhat annoying. I respect their work in exposing the HD Collection so extensively, but I'm not into them personally.
>>28020297
Checked out the wiki, the ritual did indeed involve fire.
http://silenthillchronicle.net/shkgb.htm
http://translatedmemories.com/bookpgs/Pg82-83.jpg
http://translatedmemories.com/bookpgs/Pg88-89.jpg
No idea why this used to be such a controversy when it's spelled out in the guidebooks.
Speaking of questions... How do you interpret Maria existing and doing her own thing before she meets James?
>>28020454
Cool, cool, thank you for this. I have the Book of Lost Memories but I didn't think to check it. I figured it involved fire somehow.
>How do you interpret Maria existing and doing her own thing before she meets James?
Ah, this question I can answer. In Born From A Wish, Maria starts out very child like. She is saying very simple minded things, like "I'm scared to die" and "I don't like being alone", "Is there anyone besides me?". She sounds like she just was born, as hinted at by the title of her scenario Born From A Wish. In SH3, we see posters that have a stripper at Heaven's Night named Maria, see the picture in >>28018037
In my opinion, it's very likely she was morphed from a stripper or person of some sort into Maria, modified to fit James better. You can tell she was created specifically for James by the voice, face, and so on, but also notice that her rag in the sink has Mary's dress pattern, pic related.
In my opinion, she was a stripper who was modified/morphed/born into Maria. There's no definitive proof, but I think it's implied on some level.
>>28016779
I have been told the world of silent hill is based on HP Lovecraft books.
>>28020557
Eh, not really. They take more influence from The Shining, Junji Ito, Blue Valentine, Jacob's Ladder, and Crime and Punishment.
>>28020568
The movie basically implies that it's purgatory which seems about right.
How do I get into this series? Where do I start?
>>28020796
I posted download links above, check them out my friend. I would start by emulating 1, then playing 2, then playing 3. Alternatively just play 2, then read the plot for 1 if you don't want to emulate, then play 3. It's essential you know the plot of 1 for 3 though.
>>28020786
Fair enough, I've never seen it but I'm sure you're right.
>>28017009
>using demon tools
Have fun with your maleware faggots.
Use Clonedrive , it's the best virtual drive out there. It's free and better in every regard.
>>28020918
I actually use PowerIso, recommend it highly.
My theory is that what's going on at Silent Hill was actually supposed to be Heaven, a spiritual realm where a person's innermost wants and desires could be conjured up conciously to create an ideal utopia. But something went wrong, God died and now Silent Hill only works by reflecting the subconscious fears.
>>28020969
There's a bit of lore that backs that up, and that's a really cool idea man. Good thinking.
>>28020528
> You can tell she was created specifically for James by the voice, face, and so on, but also notice that her rag in the sink has Mary's dress pattern, pic related.
DEEPEST. FUCKING. LORE.
Keep making threads SH2bro.
>>28021068
You are why I make these threads, I love when people discover how deep the lore goes. Thank you for your kind and encouraging words, it really does make me smile.
>>28021105
I've been autistic about classic SH for 8 years now and there's still deep lore.
If you don't know about them, silenthillheaven.net has a few camera hacks that show images that were dummied out. I forgot what was on there, but they had some good stuff for Sh2/sh3.
>>28021400
I have gone through their images and I have most of them, I do love that site though. They're the best place besides the Wiki to find good information in my opinion.
>>28016923
>I was only 7 in 2004
Holy fuck go away.
>>28021621
I'm 19 pham. This has been a good thread and you're not adding anything of substance.
>>28016779
Why are you doing this on /r9k/ of all places?
How did you feel about HD collection being the most awful HD port ever done?
>>28021888
Nice trips
This is my homeboard, and it tends to have better discussion without shitposting than /v/ so I can talk about stuff very easily.
I think it's an abomination and I hate that they went with some shitty studio instead of Bluepoint who did the fantastic MGS HD ports.
What was the symbolism behind this?
>>28019471
I'm guessing the first time you see him they want him to visually pop out for the player. So he glows. Afterwards the glow look might not look scary so they make his color look like the other monsters do.
>>28016779
ive always been super interested in the lore behind SH in general but ive never given a shit to watch a bunch of videos on it or read a bunch of wiki pages about it. Can you give me a brief rundown of the story? maybe include some of the theories?
>>28021430
>Nurse rachel is dead
Feels bad
>>28016779
Don't mind me, just dancing in the streets hoping the monster will kill me
>>28022170
The solution to the puzzle has green eyes looking at James- green is a recurring color for James. His jacket, his eyes, the long forest sequence at the beginning of the game, his grave being in a green room, and so on. Green represents vitality, determination, and eternity in Japan- representing his relentless search for Mary, the determination he has to find her, and the fact that he wants to die to be with her for eternity.
>>28022275
It's really hard to give a brief rundown because every single thing, the enemies, the environment, the characters, all are full of theories and lore. I recommend you play the games, I posted download links up above, and then read the wiki to start getting into it. Read the thread, but beware of spoilers.
>>28022326
It's a shame.
>>28022275
Sorry for the general answer I gave you in >>28022395
but if you do have any more specific questions, I can most definitely give you some goods answers.
>>28022459
Any idea why ayyyy lmaos are a recurring theme?
>>28022781
Because the devs think it's funny.
That's really it, they just like aliens and the UFO Endings became a loved and cherished tradition.
>>28022781
Team Silent have an immature sense of humor.
>>28017634
>They just have an incredibly unnerving atmosphere, and they will disturb you.
This is why many people might find them too scary to play though. They do this very well. You can't really find much games, hell even movies that are as nightmarish with the atmosphere like Silent Hill is. Not even trying to be a fanboy here. They are just very unique.
>>28023272
No you're absolutely right. Playing it just makes you feel disgusted, and disturbed, shaken in a way no other horror game really can shake you. It's why I love em.
This game means a lot to me for the simple fact that my mother really enjoyed this game
I was born in 95 and I remember sitting in her bedroom watching her play it back in 2001
Being young made this game really spooky and mysterious
My mom died from cancer in 04 and I remember these nights of just me and her
Shit's comfy
Sometimes I listen to the OST and think of her and what could've been a more fairly normal childhood
Sorry for the blog post
Just posting some /feels/
>>28023833
That's really sweet anon. I'm sorry to hear she passed, though. I hope you are feeling happier now a days.
>>28016779
I've never played the game as I've never had a playstation but I find long plays of them comfy, my girlfriend used to hold a European record for speed runs of the first two games.
>>28023963
Sounds good to me man. I find them comfy as well.
Apparently, James' voice actor hasn't played the game at all before this.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL32lBv9GuYJBJ_hQg0_I__mEsKg4C5JBb
Why did you say you dislike pyramid head OP?
Alone in the town is my official theme song. I'd probably be dead if not for it.
>>28024533
I don't recall ever saying that, I dislike that they use him for brand recognition in Homecoming and the movies, but I love him in 2.
>>28024576
Great choice.
>>28023984
Saw that when they did the hitbox stream. He said he never even seen most of the game before that point. Nor has the guy that played Eddie.
Seems very strange to me how so many of these actors don't like to ever see the work they do. You would think he would be curious to see how his work in the game looked but I guess he just don't care for that silly ass vidya stuff.
>>28024723
He's actually really well acquainted with a lot of fans and he loves the game now- he just wasn't interested for a long time because Konami kind of fucked him over pay wise. They even censored his face out of the Making Of video.
Konami actually refused to pay any of the original voice actors royalties for the HD Collection, but Guy Cihi gathered all the voice actors and said- look, they're not gonna pay us, but our original voicing has a lot of soul and character and it means a lot to the fans, so let's just let them do it for free. They all agreed. Unfortunately they couldn't do the same for 3, because Douglas's voice actor has passed away.
>>28024853
>Konami actually refused to pay any of the original voice actors royalties for the HD Collection
I love Konami games (not like they make games anymore), but fuck they've always been a shady company with unethical practices.
>>28024914
Yeah, they're assholes. They are just lucky to have gotten so many good dev teams.
>>28024602
>I dislike that they use him for brand recognition in Homecoming and the movies
Because he was specific to 2 and they took him out of context? I don't rly know anything about silent hill.
>>28025049
Yes. He is designed to represent and be a duality of the main character of SH2. He's literally designed with that character in mind- everything about his appearance and behavior is tailored to that character, so it doesn't make sense for him to be in Homecoming or the movies. They just abuse him for brand recognition.
I liked Shattered Memories
>>28024723
Not everyone is interested in videogames.
Majority of League of Legends/Dota2 voice actors don't even play games.
