What's your non-meme opinion of feminism?
>>27023635
Third option: Women are BETTER than men
>>27023635
>What's your non-meme opinion of feminism?
What the fuck do you think?
I'm a feminist of the non-tumblr kind; you might even say I'm completely anti-tumblr. Ultimatley I believe in complete equality of rights, duties and responsibilities. I do believe that there is a gendered power structure and that it tends to benefit men more than women, and hurt women more than men, but that is just overall - there are still plenty of cases where men will get the short end of the stick. (I also think the pros and cons tend to really be part of the same problem; for example women are considered the more "natural" parent which means that A) they get custody most often but also B) they have a harder time getting full-time employment.) Also the male perspective is not taken into account enough, nor the whole idea of 'maleness' and masculinity, other than just blaming "toxic masculinity" for crap (without understanding it).
Also, gender is only a part of the whole, bigger power structure, and focusing on gender alone is wrong. So you can still have women be better off than men. For example a female CEO is doing better than a homeless man, because she is more privileged economically. However, females CEOs are rarer and get paid less than their male counterparts, while homeless women are usually worse off in terms of security, etc. So you have different pyramids of power (race, gender, economy, etc.) and your position can be different on them.
>>2702390
I know this was a serious question but this is the first thought out decently formulated response I've seen in months
>>27023635
Things like voting and equal pay act are good. Don't like the state funded single mothers though, they will destroy society. Oh well, it's happening just got to deal.
Hi! Few things to start off with =] 1. Yes I added you because you're a female gamer, 'tis an awesome thing to see! 2. I'm Brian. 3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen =D
>>27023901
>I do believe that there is a gendered power structure and that it tends to benefit men more than women, and hurt women more than men
Name literally one way how it does this.
>>27023635
Shouldn't have given them the vote.
I started out as a feminist too, lol.
I was young and naive, and didn't know anything concrete about women back then.
>>27023901
There's a gendered power structure because men are more naturally more powerful and capable.
Women cannot be raised up. Men must be brought low. The ultimate aim of feminism is to destroy all standards and castrate males which will reduce us all to bonobos.
Feminism is anti-human.
>>27023901
>However, females CEOs are rarer and get paid less than their male counterparts
There are reasons for this.
>>27023901
Who's fucking paying them? Men, because only men are capable of hierarchical directed structure. An all-female corporation immediately implodes because women working with other women can't set their petty bullshit aside and get work done. They also are incapable of objective interest in a topic and therefore don't have the passion for real innovation.
So, females attach themselves to male enterprises and gum things up like barnacles because that's what they're good for: dead weight.
>>27023901
>Political parties are clashing
>England is about to leave the EU
>Refugees invading Germany. Sexually assaulting women and taking over Germany.
>Whilst this worthless bitch moans about gender inequality.
I really hate you, I really do. I hope you get eradicated together with the shitskins. You're part of the cancer.
>>27024238
go away please
reeeeeeeeeeee
>>27023901
>Ultimatley I believe in complete equality of rights, duties and responsibilities.
So you're an egalitarian, not a feminist
Equality is a social construct
>>27023901
Being a woman is actual hell. It's a life of comfort and ease that rots away your soul before you're old enough to realise you have one. All women are deeply fucking unhappy, in the same way a junkie is. Women may not understand ambition in the male sense, because they've never experienced it, but they can still feel that SOMETHING is missing from their lives. And all they can ever think to do is cram the hole with more attention. Get another boyfriend to love you, get another lover to worship you, go out and get a hundred random men to ogle you. No matter what, the solution is always external to yourself, and always accompanied by the knowledge that you are going to get old fairly soon, going to become like one of those faded, wrinkled bitches in office jobs or working at the pharmacy, who used to be cute a thousand years ago, used to be on top of the world, except it was only like five years ago.
>>27024289
The truth hurts, doesn't it, roastie and/or roastie enabler?
Show me a team of women doing anything, anywhere. I'd be content with "equality" if it meant males could just do our own thing, but, no, everything we create needs to be fucked up, nagged at, and monitored by roasties and their inane fucking suggestions, because they have no creative capacity aside from whining and getting fucked.
Here's one fundamental thing that many feminist don't get.
Most people with power are male does not mean most males have power.
>>27024380
misunderstood your post, sorry senpai
also, not a roastie toastie
>>27024374
quality post. if you wrote a manifesto i'd read it
Feminism ruins women by turning them into yowling rape banshees.
I've never met a feminist I've liked, because they're all liars.
>>27024123
I ask you to understand the following two things only: 1) I was talking globally, so that includes impoverished women in the 3rd world but not necessarily upper-middle class white women in the US and more importantly 2) That the important bit isn't who has more/less privilege but that both genders actually suffer from this order. Wasting time arguing about who has it worse is meaningless given that it's the SAME DAMN STRUCTRE harming both; the harm only takes different forms in different situations.
I forgot to write this in my previous post, but it's maybe the most important bit: any men vs. women bullshit, including women blaming "men-in-the-abstract", is just a distraction and serves no purpose. None of us has chosen for things to be this way, and all of us contribute to the system staying in place, and we are in it together EVEN IF some do benefit more than others. Because, even so, it isn't that much more. Oh, I could bring up stuff like men having more seats in congress, but men also fill more spaces in military cemeteries. Men are more likely to rape women, but also more likely to get caught and sentences than a women who rapes a man (or another woman). And so on. Every pro turns out to be, on closer examination, a con. And the same goes for women, really. All their "privilege" is hinged upon male approval, on men giving them things for being pretty.
And yes, women contribute to this sytem: everything from how they vote, how they raise their children, what fields they work and study in, and what men they chose... it all reinforces the current system as much as the actions of men. For example, there are complains about "toxic masculinity", yet some women will happily chose to fuck/date a guy displaying that exact toxicity rather than a nice guy who actually behaves like feminists wish; the negative behaviour is rewarded and reinforced while the postive behaviour is punished.
A common struggle in needed, all else are lies by our masters.
>>27024374
This might be poignant if you didn't have every opportunity in the world to stay loyal to a man and experience true love and fidelity well past the point your beauty fades.
Rationally I can say that feminism has done a lot of good for women in the past (although it's become a bad joke nowadays). Emotionally I fucking hate those cunts with a passion
>>27024209
Sure buddy, whatever you say.
>>27024211
Of course, there are reasons for everything else too. But once a bunch of stuff that shouldn't be connected forms a pattern, a proper social scientists goes "hmm..." and wonders if there aren't other, structural, reasons besides the visable ones, that operate more subtly but more universially. This is why tumblr-style "explanations" that just say "Patriarchy!" are actually useless: they're gross oversimplifications.
>>27024488
feminism hasn't done any good for women
giving women the right to vote will go down in history as the worst decision ever made as the west falls
Feminism is and always has been the belief that
>women are systematically oppressed/disadvantaged
>society should provide them with more advantages than they currently have
It was once a sane, accurate viewpoint, but these days the most vocal feminists (in 1st world countries heavily weighted towards female privileges both legally and culturally) are insane/wrong.
Women don't contribute equally to society to men, and therefore don't deserve equal rights, let alone all the free shit and special privileges they have now.
That simple
>>27024238
Even if you are right, there is no biological reason for things to be this way (unless you belong the the BIOTRUTH school of anti-feminism in which case, please try studying actual biology please) - the way that some women act is problematic but these are learnt behaviours. Part of our culture. One might say that if you treat a whole gender like children, children they will be. This is why equal duties and responsibilities and equally important to rights; in a different kind of society, women will learn different behaviours.
>>27024262
Please read the post I wrote. I made it clear that gender is only a part of the problem, and in some cases a small or insignificant part (I mean who cares about CEOs, really?). Also I never mentioned inequality, but "gendered power structures". Men from other, less egalitarian cultures who believe they have the right to women's bodies could be said to be a blatant display of such structures. But stay mad. If it's any consolation, I hate you too.
>>27024298
I am a humanist, first and foremost and always. If women suffer, I am a feminist. If men suffer, I am a... what do I call it? Andrist? If workers suffer I am a socialist and when the environment is fucked enough to make that all our problem I am an environmentalist. But always a humanist first, so I will never be a misandrist feminist or a misogynist andrist or a communistic/fascistic socialist or whatever else - I fully reject all antihumanist ideologies. I just don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and that we can image both a feminism, andrism, socialism, etc. that is humanistic at heart.
>>27023635
>What's your non-meme opinion of feminism?
it is dead because it has succeeded in the first world. what replaced it was a group/generation of victim complex having degenerates who think because they were born with certain parts instead of others, they deserve more than the other sex.
as meme as it sounds, that truly is my view because i have seen many many instances of it on an almost daily basis.
I feel like if I had a daughter, I'd want her to have just as much confidence in becoming whatever she wanted without hesitation because of who cared/what she'd be paid.
I think feminism is a good movement, but a lot of women who get negative attention by being a feminist ruin it for the other women who just want women to be treated the same, just like, idk, how weeaboo neckbeards make anime look bad, when a lot of normal people also like anime.
>>27024470
>I ask you to understand the following two things only: 1) I was talking globally, so that includes impoverished women in the 3rd world
I'm not the one arguing who has it worse, I don't really care one way or the other. You brought it up in the first place and I asked if you could clarify your beliefs. It's a little obnoxious for a feminist who is making a "we have it worse than men" argument to turn around and chastise me for using the same frame.
"Third World women" is something of a feminist sleight-of-hand meme and it plays on the fact that people don't recognise just how gynocentric the human race inherently is. You could say that women in the Third World have it *worse*, and are often treated horrifically, and any right-thinking person would agree with you, but it's *worse than other women*, not worse than their own respective men. Men in sub-Saharan Africa are raised as slaves, child soldiers; male mortality and death from disease, warfare and alcoholism is catastrophic in these places.
I can't say this for certain, but I would bet dollars to donuts that there's no area of the world where women are *more* at risk of serious dangers like murder, violence or chronic homelessness than men. There's some circumstantial evidence for this: female life expectancy is higher than male life expectancy everywhere on the planet, often substantially higher (in places like the potatozone women live a mind-blowing 15 years longer than the average man).
The feminist frame relies on relentlessly narrowing in on a very small segment of successful men, without realising that success is often a zero sum game. Men who are killed, aborted, beaten or crushed by the gears of life are paid no mind and exist only in statistical annals that feminists bluntly refuse to read. They are treated with as much respect as you could expect being that they're utterly disposable.
>>27024818
(2)
Please bear in mind I am not saying that women have a fast of problems of their own: I am saying that feminists assume this existence of "male privilege" where there is absolutely no evidence for it, and quite a great deal to the contrary. There are no privileges to being born a boy other than the privilege of opportunity for competition. A thirst for competition and glory where failure and death are very real outcomes is a characteristically masculine trait though, so it's more or less moot.
>>27024746
>Even if you are right, there is no biological reason for things to be this way (unless you belong the the BIOTRUTH school of anti-feminism
Grow up, moron. There's honestly nothing worse than someone who sticks their fingers in their ears and mocks empirical study because they don't like the results.
>>27023635
its contrary to human nature, women are not as smart as men in general, women are naturally submissive, both men and women are happier in a society with traditional gender roles
>>27024238
my job had a "holiday hangover" party after the holiday seasonto just kind of get together and have a good time. we went to a bowling/karaoke place and as the night was winding down, one of the higher up managers and her girlfriend, another higher up manager, started getting too close, if you know what i mean. the owner went and literally pried them apart and then yelling started and fists were being thrown. as this was happening, all the females in the vicinity, scattered, and my manager said to help stop it. i am on the lower end of the ladder in the company, yet i had to separate the owner and a corporate manager. both were female. that is when i lost what little respect for my female managers i had.
>>27024544
Yeah but now they can work and shit. Even if most of them have very little to contribute, now there's at least more options for them then Motherhood or becoming a Nun. Feminism has had a couple positive effects amongst the mountain of shit
>>27024818
>>27024836
The woman you're arguing with will be too narcissistic and stupid to respond to this post in the way it deserves, but I wanted to let you know that it's very well-argued and well-articulated, and I like it tremendously.
>background
>Swedish
>23yo
>was part of the teetotallers movement
>they were rather authoritarian leftists,not straight up communists but they want to ban all they deem to be drugs. Not just discourage the use/tax it
>rich (white) middle class family
>kinda socially successful up until after highschool
>4chan since I was 13
>value democracy above all else really. Will frequently try to improve people's rhetorical performance even if I disagree
First of all its a poorly chosen word that doesn't hold much of its meaning anymore (atleast here). The movement is still concerned about equality but it's approach isn't liberal (international use not American use) enough for me. If I was part of the movement I'd probably have left it for the same reasons I left the teetotallers. They had a vote on expelling SD (Sweden Democrats, anti-immigration party) sympathizers from the moment. There was a very slim majority opposed the idea (~55% iirc). That was just not good enough for me. So I left. Feminism seems to have very similar ideas now. If you ask someone about the wage gap they cite the amount of money earned in a field per person for me men and women and conclude the stats are complete. That's not nearly enough and anyone with a brain sees that. But since they're so bias they don't try to find real issues and because of that they can't find real solutions. Questioning things like that are often just frowned upon. Even if you make a solid claim about how things can be inaccurate.
They conflict with my view of democracy. You need to have someone insert critical thinking and if you don't even allow your opponents to then you can make any claim really.
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>>27025061
And I obviously want equal opportunity, if you choose the same road as a man and have the same potential you should find very similar results. But I'm not for equal results. If someone decides to have a child that leaves them out of work for about a year you should expect to be behind about a year. We have laws that prevent people from losing their career because of things like this and we have good child care supporting laws. It's not an issue I see.
Doesn't help that their activism tends to be to grab attention. The feminist party leader burned the difference in wage she estimated that she lost over a year because she's a woman. Lots of criticism of that I'm happy to see. Not only is it illegal it could be used to better ends. Also her estimate was wildly inaccurate according to pretty much every source I've seen.
They're not there to have discussions really. They're just grabbing attention. That's not the political landscape here and it's certainly a bad development if it works.
They got huge numbers in the EU parliament elections which I don't mind at all. There's large issues in Europe as a whole, especially the southern states.
>>27025061
fuck democracy, technocracy it's where it is at. People are stupid.
>>27025145
That's an option.
>>27025175
Option? Look at Sweden now. That would have never happend under a technocratic and pragmatic government.
>>27025272
It's not that bad honestly. They're problems brought about because of a rather high moral standard. If all you care about is the country then yes laws that doesn't benefit the country directly (our asylum laws mainly) are clearly problematic. I understand the view that everyone thinks that their country is incredibly special and needs protection at every cost almost. But the real issues aren't really like that. We weren't losing that much from accepting them in the past. It wasn't the best thing because we didn't have a surplus of jobs like we did in the 90's (also received a lot of immigrants then, to our benefit). Now it has gone overboard. During the election the only party opposed increased immigration spending was SD. Now just a year or so later everyone but the far left party is for restrictions on immigrants. We have real border control where it's feasible now. I'm disappointed they didn't see the problems with having such an open ended system, we're taking an unfair amount. The idea that we were supposed to be a good example to the rest of the countries is also ridiculous. But perhaps voters will have a larger appreciation for moderation now. I'm happy they're sticking to their opinions though. There's been a very wide effort to accept immigrants into their own homes etc. If that's what they wanted then I'm happy for them. Immigrants do lower house prices (for some reason, there's no sensible reason actually because if they're gonna do crime they can just walk over here in 30 minutes) which has been a concern in my area. The neighborhood had enough influence to relocate the immigration center away from here.
Not all bad. We can handle it. But it's not to our benefit atm.
>>27023635
I think all the problems women have is a result of ancient times, and it can all be traced bak to the the fact that men are on average physically stronger. Everything springs from this, the effects just piling on more and more. This is, however, not men's fault, but pure random evolution.
It's outdated. Women have equal rights in the west, catcalling and occasional judgement =/= actual opression. Those who think otherwise are delusional or stupid.
>>27023901
>while homeless women are usually worse off in terms of security
I'd agree with you but society already provides for this with many women only homeless shelters. There are little to no men only homeless shelters but like you said homeless men are usually more capable of looking after themselves + less likely of having a child with them..
So it's not a case of fairness or worse off, it's a case of luck.
literally gibs me dat: women edition
>>27023635
Alright, simple question, simple answer.
Feminism requires no special treatment or special discourse. We don't need to distinguish it from any other movement because it is exactly like any other movement: more power for my team, less power for all other teams.
Feminism is a branch of Communism, it is a bioweapon designed to tear down the fabric of established civilizations in order to create a playground for the international finance nomads. The leftist footsoldiers promoting this agenda do not necessarily have to know that. They will give you a million bullshit reasons for why they're doing what they're doing and they will believe them all.
You absolutely cannot argue with their official agendas. The manifesto is designed to claim moral superiority. How can you oppose statements like "we want to fight oppression"? It's just as crafty as "Make America great again".
The dangerous part is that the left can easily recruit new followers from a cesspool of imbeciles because it preys on our inherent shittiness. Instead of going to the gym three days a week, why not force people to admire obesity? Welfare for all, and no criticism for your behavior ever. Nobody should be held responsible or accountable for what they do. These people are by definition the barbarians, the nation-destroyers, inherently unable to create or maintain anything for themselves.
So call it whatever you want. It is a big fat insect that brings down establishment and authority so that the children can act up. It seduces and enables the shittiest of us.
Feminism has not been able to help women. Feminism has subverted education and media in the first world and is unable to do jack shit in any other part of the world. They have to maintain their legitimacy by constantly inventing new enemies, just like the "War on Terror" and the "War on Drugs".
There is no reason for argument. All you can do is duke it out.
>>27023635
I agree with some things, but it's mostly complete nonsense, lies and fallacies
It's quite fucking rich that third-wave feminism is even a thing when places like this exist and alpha and beta males are a thing. You think the patriarchy exists? You think men are somehow the superior sex and live easier than women? You're fucking deluded, and the natural derision to this kind of bullshit is not out of manliness or security, but out of sorrow.
We're actually living in a matriarchy, and you have society's backing to be the decision maker when it comes to sex and social circles. Socially, you are the only true free members of society - you can like whoever or whatever you want without being socially ostracized. Personality doesn't matter either - society will still protect you because you are a woman. Meanwhile, men have to tailor their interests and their personalities to even engage in conversation with women.
Take a look at all the female anime fans and "gamer" girls. The only people taking the piss out of them are actual anime fans and gamers, normally men. But society doesn't care. Women don't compete for other men or try to win them over. They don't engage conversation with men with the endgame of getting love or sex. They're the objective and thus the VIP. Meanwhile, If I watch anime, I'm a weeaboo faggot. If I play video games, I'm a loser. If I respect and admire any branch of East-Asian culture, then I'm a creep. If I don't smoke or do drugs, I'm a pussy. Women can have every single one of these interests and not be judged for it, because they are the object of desire. They are the treasure that you - a man that is hopefully Chad - must work for. It doesn't matter if we just "like" these things or if they are our passionate interests. We could always talk about other things, but no - if we like something you don't, society's got your back in ending any and all affairs with us.
And then there's the ever-trivial pursuit of sex. Men are not allowed to be submissive - if a guy is into role-reversal, society will prohibit his access to love-related endeavours. Now you may ask, why would you want to be pegged by a long, permanently solid object? For the same reason women want the biggest cock they can find to be shoved straight up their pussy, pooper or mouth - pleasure. Both parties in sex will receive pleasure somewhat, but men have to settle for dominant pleasure - no subs allowed.
That's why we're not equal. You expect us to stick up and protect you as a woman when this clear disparagement exists? You perpetuate this shitty ideology where it's okay for men to be on the receiving end of violence but not women? You complain about sexism yet secretly desire Chad's 12-inch cock while rejecting robots on their interests and not their personality? And we're not allowed to do that without people pointing fingers at us and labelling us as the bogeyman?
Happy International Women's Day, you fucking cunts.
>>27024470
>both genders
Check your cis-privledge you rancid cunt.
>>27026127
I'm pretty sure feminism fights for the problems you stated with men too. But that brings me to what I think is the biggest problem of so called "feminism". The problem is that anyone can say they are a feminist and have their own ideas of what a feminist is. any action reflect the image of feminism as a whole even though everyone has a different idea of what that really means..
I would like to see how society would be if women took all the masculine jobs. If women fought all the wars and only women could join the military or only women could be president. How different would the world become.
>>27026616
Some feminists claim that's what they're fighting. Yet at most what I've seen is a comment on a video about men and women's sexual experience proclaiming it's the patriarchys fault that guys feel bad about having stuff up their butts. When it's clearly women that propagate that in my experience. Dudes past the ages of 15 know for the most part. Women freak the fuck out and assume you're gay and stuff.
Same with tears and vulnerability in general. All the male stereotypes are perpetuated by women. It may not seem that way because there's guys who mock those who cry but the fact of the situation is that these guys are just asserting themselves towards women. I've never had a guy friend who would be like that. I have had girlfriends who have dumped me over saying stuff that'd imply I'm not an impenetrable wall of confidence, extreme mental fortitude and raw muscle.
Even that UN speech Emma Watson (HeForShe) had was careless enough to mention that men have problems too and then proceed to claim that women are the ones that need help and can't deal with their issues alone.
The movement makes no attempts towards approaching the MRA's who would hypothetically hold very similar ideas. And for the most part you see that they're both just opposite sides of the same coin. I'm confident that the view in feminism seems to be that anything that would benefit men would be to women's disadvantage. To some degree they're correct. In the case of vulnerability or financial situations it's pretty clear they hate that men's problems stuff. But the hypocrisy is really not working in their favor. They'd get more traction if they were for equal rights.
>>27023664
Are you sure that's a woman tho?
>>27023901
go back to twitter and cry about scantily clad women in video games. We dont want you here
Non-meme opinion: obviously feminism is positive but the ingroup vs. outgroup witch hunting attached to feminism is completely worthless. If internet outrage covens devoted their time and energy towards actually solving problems instead of just inciting hatred then things might actually change, but every article you see about TEN REASONS WHY STRAIGHT WHITE MALES CAN'T STOP GETTING MAD ABOUT THE NEW CAST OF GHOSTBUSTERS is just driving the wedge deeper, at best it just makes people that already like you nod their heads, at worst it causes people who disagree with you to hate you more and feel even less sympathy for your cause.
I seriously cannot fathom why people feel the need to instigate even more hatred in this world. It's already rife with it. Two wrongs have never made a right.
>>27023635
There is no reason for it to exist. Its existence alone implies that women are somehow not independent,and that this social movement is needed to rescue them. All arguments that women are oppressed by "society" have been debunked over and over.
>>27023635
it;;s shit lol
>>27023635
What right do I lack that men have in the United States of America? Aside from being shirtless in public, I'll give you that one even if it's only expressly illegal in a few states. If it's an issue of respect/being taken seriously, you earn that shit. People deserving of respect don't whine about their lack of it. And fucking hell women are not PAID less than men, they EARN less than men. However much women EARN is their own problem.
My biggest issue with feminism is that feminists enable and encourage women to be pathetic. We got our rights, our freedom to work and show our capabilities, and we're still far behind in almost every measurable metric. It's embarrassing to point that out though, so they have to make up some bullshit reason about why the metric used is sexist. They think women are so pathetic that they can only succeed if they're encouraged to do so, despite the fact that men are hardly ever encouraged to do anything - they're expected to. If women had the same expectations maybe the gender gaps would close. Or maybe not, we'll never know because, despite women and men apparently having no differences, holding women to the same standards as men is sexist.
>>27024380
>tfw this comic is arguing FOR feminism whether it mean to or not
I'm all for equality. But some feminists use body shaming towards men. Feminism should support those who suffer body-embarrassment.
>>27023635
Need to be eradicated and brought to justice for hate crime. It will be the downfall of western society.
>>27023635
I wish we could just get along and leave each other alone, but that'll never happen.
I wish everything would just go far away and never bother me again.
>>27023635
Feminism has turned western society into a misandrist pit of decay and degeneracy.
Feminism purposely pushes little girls ahead of boys in schools. It teaches young females growing up that they are superior to men. It decimates birth rates and marriage rates. It teaches a general culture of women mistreating any man that isn't a 10/10 Chad.
It has achieved nothing positive in the modern era except for drive more people apart.
>>27029003
DOn't worry. They will have their Medea story eventually except the tides will be against them.
>>27029040
I find that hard to believe, considering 2013 was the year when feminism absolutely exploded on the Internet. That was the year when feminism broke out once and for all, and it's too popular now for any tide to be against them.
Feminism has destroyed western society and women have made it abundantly clear that they have no conscience when it comes to what feminism has done to people.
>>27027347
>The movement makes no attempts towards approaching the MRA's who would hypothetically hold very similar ideas.
Yeah, that's another funny thing I've noticed.
People like to bitch constantly about how western society oppresses women, yet being an MRA is so heavily stigmatized even on the Internet, that these guys go through fucking hell. I'm not an MRA because I don't affiliate with any Internet movements. But I respect those guys a lot, because they all have a certain charisma to them, and they don't back down in the face of *amazing* hostile force against them.
It's so ironic that people think that women are oppressed in western society, yet males are still seen as disposable. We are FAR more likely to commit suicide, we can't show our feelings, we are the absolute majority of workplace deaths, and if there is a REAL war, we actually have to get drafted to fight and get killed while women sit back home in safety. It's socially acceptable to bully a male yet not a female, and there are hardly any services for us to go talk about our issues. Ugly/fat guys can have their lives ruined simply by how they look, and those guys tend to be targets for false rape allegations. I could keep going on and on.
MRAs are a small minority of well meaning men that get shit on for no good reason. People say women are oppressed in western society, yet men have it far far far rougher, and women in the modern age benefit from feminism + chivalry combined, simultaneously! I'd say men are the oppressed gender considering all the hate MRAs get, along with the fact that nobody really cares that males by default live far rougher lives than women. It's just something that people accept and shrug their shoulders at.
>>27023901
> women are worse off than men
No madam muh-sogyny, they are not. White western women are the most privileged class in history.
>>27024818
Wow you just blew that feminist land-whale sky high. Kudos.
>>27023635
first wave feminism was good
second wave feminism was awful
third wave feminism is cancer.
Feminism in theory is equality.
Feminism in practice is A L W A Y S anti-male. If there's a dispute between male and female interests, feminism will always concoct some bologna and give more entitlements to women--as in the case of "the wage gap" which is just nonsense.
>>27023901
Yeah yeah, why don't you just fuck off? We all know how this is going to go down. You'll spout some bullshit. An anon will come along and absolutely crush your shit. Then you will quietly leave the thread with your fingers in your ear and ignore all reason.
>Chivalry: stop treating me as an inferior, shitlord
>Egalitarianism: okay but only for the good prestigious jobs :^) all the garbage collectors can be male. oh and we keep all our special "girl only programs." oh and no "male only programs"!!! that's bigotry, shitlord. oh and all the stats that say men are dying in gutters and blowing their brains out 5x as much as women are just something to gloat over :^)
>Woman-worship: Okay I am better than you. Now pay my mortgage while I go fuck Chad.
>MGTOW: Stop jacking it to lolis and inventing cyberwaifu. That's cyberrape of an ink drawing you shitlord. Also you are a fat virgin. Suffer as I emasculate you *wrenches your balls*
Women are shit. Feminism is shit. There is no victory with the cunts.
That's why they must be made obsolete. Women FEAR the waifu.
Feminism as a term is meaningless. You can't use it to actually talk about anything without getting into a semantic argument.
I don't know if feminism died, or has transformed, or always was this way. Whatever you want to label it though, the cultural zeitgeist right now has little to do with the "equality" most people like to pay lip service to and is increasingly divisive, nasty, hypocritical. Pic related.
People talking about "cultural Marxism" are crackpots but they're correct about "SJWs" or whatever you call them using a lot of manipulative propaganda tactics. For example emotional blackmail (agree or you're a bad person), attacking people rather than arguments, etc.
>>27023901
Your inclusive type of thinking is not currently popular, though.
I hate the fact that they knowing go into places that are unsafe and then declare it should protect their feelings because they are a girl. Meanwhile, getting away with shit they shouldn't because they are female. Like they can't be adults and stick to their own space that's ideal for them. They just HAVE to get involved with men activities or groups or places that are mostly men for some fucked up reason and then get surprised when they see or hear things they dont like.
College for example. You speak your mind, you so much tell the truth, if you are honest about what you are thinking, no matter how tame the words, no matter how assertive the thought....
If it hurts her feelings you're in trouble.
I could go on about how they spout rape culture and blame the white man but when muslims are doing it and have been doing it for years it's not that bad because they aren't white. Or how rape on college campuses are bad and the worse thing ever next to the anti-christ but when I guy gets raped in college he's expelled.
But I would never get done.
>>27024470
But men aren't harmed at all by patriarchy. Actually they only stand to benefit. And no, western countries are not patriarchies. All of the legislation that actively goes against male interests were passed by feminists. Unfair divorce laws, forcing little girls into little boys sports, ridiculous definitions of rape where a man is considered the rapists. All passed by feminists. Only a man hater would identify as a feminist.
Feminism is an academic topic. People going around the internet (usually teens- early 20's girls on tumblr) are just vying for a following. People on here are always refering to the later as some kind of problem but they're practically just entertainers for weird and antisocial young girls and you can effectively ignore them.
>>27023635
same as my meme opinion I guess. It sucks. Its irrelevant and its another political residue from a bygone era championed by those tapped out for self-actualization in a culture that is feeling the effects of blithe self-absorption and ignorance.
>>27023901
This is surely copypasta
>>27032137
>they're practically just entertainers for weird and antisocial young girls and you can effectively ignore them.
Nope. Even if such beliefs are not a majority and even if most people who hold such beliefs do not have power, radical fringe beliefs still leak into real politics and have real consequences.
You know the "women can't be sexist against men because it doesn't reinforce systemic power structures" meme? It's actually been around since the 80s and is the reason there are shelters for homeless and abused women but not men.
Society still does not believe men can ever truly be victims of violence or rape at the hands of women. Men are dragged through courts on scant evidence for non-crimes, like the Toronto twitter bullshit, or are denied education by the Title IX kangaroo courts without due process. There's still a large gender gap in criminal sentencing.
>>27023635
It's thanks to feminism that I am a free person and not a slave, since feminism allows me to have an education and get a job thus permitting my finanicial independence which is essential for freedom, while men just expect me to be a house slave that shits out children - having no continuous money of my own and therefore no control over my own life, like a slave. I don't want to be a slave, I want to live my own life freely, and for that I need independence and financial independence especially. Feminism got me that, which is why feminism is good.
>>27032267
Why should I care about you?
>>27032280
Why should anyone care about you? Nobody does but that doesn't stop you from posting your pathetic manwhining all day.
>>27032267
>OP starts a thread asking for personal opinions
>Femanon replies to OP
>Anon immediately takes it personally
Why are robots such pathetic insecure shits?
>>27032362
That is kind of my point. A political movement is not made "good" simply because it benefits one individual, or group for that matter. Even if that individual is yourself. I think you are just another stupid redundant millenial and while maybe you shouldn't be a 'slave', you probably don't need to be this unconstrained. Its not doing anything for society as a whole certainly. In fact the blithe solipsism of the past 3 generations is breaking down social cohesion. Fuck you, you sack of shit.
>>27032280
Because what I said is true. You need financial independence to be free. Even though wanting to live freely is an universal desire, men hypocritically push for traditional gender roles where the woman has no financial independence, thus denying her her freedom and making her the same as a slave. Feminism fights against that for the good of women and that's why feminism is good.
>>27023664Foosball is the devil!
>>27032783
Not that guy, but what do you think about how feminism provokes males without provocation? How do you feel about how feminism tries to make guys feel guilty for rejecting certain women? How do you feel about how feminism has contributed to a climate of division and anger?
>>27032783
I don't want to be "free" as a man. I just want to be told what to do and be comfy. Fuck all these idiots that want to be "free" and "individual". They are worse than these "truth" assholes. All that matters is how comfy you are because everything else is subordinate to that one factor.
I believe in equality and I consider myself a feminist. While we may have legal equality, people do not give women the same respect. Society is still de facto sexist.
>>27032902
And yet almost the entire Internet will take your side on almost any issues. /r9k/ is a minority of the Internet. Women have been given jobs over me before. Society is not "de facto sexist", you are just a spoiled cunt and that's probably why you're alone on /r9k/.
>A political movement is not made "good" simply because it benefits one individual, or group for that matter.
But it is, for that group and for that individual. Not to mention that the group you're talking about is half the human population whose opinions and desires you cannot continue to ignore.
>Even if that individual is yourself
You mean especially if that individual is myself. I only have this one life and you want me to sacrifice it, make it horrible, miserable and disgusting for a bunch of misogynists who wish to deny me my own life? No way I am that stupid.
>you probably don't need to be this unconstrained
As I pointed out. You do not care about women; you wish to silence them whenever their opinion goes against your ideas, because you cannot stand disagreement from a woman, because you do not see her as a fellow human whose freedom of thought you respect but rather as some non-sentient thing that ypu expect not to speak at all if not to spout praise about you like predefined machine. You are the kind of toxic, barbaric creature feminism fights against.
>Its not doing anything for society as a whole certainly. In fact the blithe solipsism of the past 3 generations is breaking down social cohesion
A society that oppresses its memn
bers is not a society worth having. Looks like social cohesion was built on ultimately wrong things such as oppression and misogyny for it to break down this easily.
>>27032896
And how can you be comfy without your money little goverment-leeching NEET?
>>27023635
>>27023635
>muh safe space
you can't not think of memes when you think of feminism, it's the ultimate meme, 'specially these last few years
>>27023635
i believe that at a legal level women and men should be on equal footing; however, i dont think it's possible that socially we'll ever be equal due to the innate physical differences between us.
>>27033060
I'm not a NEET you dumb shit. I just want to live in Brave New World
>>27033029
Sorry for the typos, I'm on a phone.
>>27033326
Can you answer my questions here? >>27032847
>>27032783
>men hypocritically push for traditional gender roles where the woman has no financial independence
no. men dont care about making you or any woman a slave. you want equality? do the same job, at the same level, with the same passion as a man. dont half ass it and say you dont get what you deserve because the job title is the same.
>Feminism fights against that for the good of women and that's why feminism is good.
first wave feminism did that. the feminism we have today is pushing for extra rights and privileges on top of the equal footing they have. there is a majority of college students in the US that are female, they have the means to succeed, but instead of enrolling in a lucrative degree program, they take bullshit like english/gender studies/fine arts. look at any portion of a STEM dept vs the liberal arts dept in ANY institution of higher learning. the degrees that are semi to completely worthless are going to be a majority female. explain that to me. is math or science sexist?
>>27032902
i believe in equality as well. to get respect, you must earn it. you dont get given respect at birth, or in school, or in sports, or in life. if you excel at something, and you show drive and passion, you gain respect.
my personal opinion is that men have the innate drive to be the best, or to want to compete and be better than someone. whereas women have the desire to be just good enough. yes ive met some smart women, but for the most part, they all have the same hobbies, the same interests and the same points of view. ive never seen a woman, even one i consider to be smart, out think or debate a man. why? because while women are very good at standardized, structured things like schooling, men are better at abstract out of the box thinking, which leads to new ideas or ways of thinking that challenges the structure that women are used to.
>>27023635
but anon, feminism IS a meme. It's been irrelevant in the west since the equal pay acts of the 1960s.
>inb4 muh pay gap
see https://youtu.be/wjWBXbGVyQU
>>27033029
youre on your phone, in the western civilized world saying whats on your mind freely and talking about being oppressed.
get your head out of your ass.
no one is telling you to " sacrifice it, make it horrible, miserable and disgusting for a bunch of misogynists who wish to deny me my own life". no one is denying you anything. you have a victim complex because your little, or should i say big, tumblr friends say thats how you should feel. take a step back and look at how you are treated daily versus how a male poster on this board is treated daily, then tell me about how repressed and downtrodden you are, you terrible selfish piece of shit.
>>27032267
>feminism still gets me that
No it doesn't. It gets you unfair advantages like higher acceptance rates to university without it being reflected in performance.
Practically nobody here is against women's suffrage or most of the stuff the feminist movement has actually done. It's the recent developments that's concerning.
Sincerely hope you're baiting.
>>27032783
>financial independence
Yeah we've had that for a very long time now. What your movement is pushing for is to put men into subservience to women by tax. It's not fair to irresponsibly get pregnant in a situation where you can't support yourself and then expect everyone else to pay.
