Why are our parents so buttmad at us when they are the very reason why we are this way?
because they are normies and hate you
>>29967943
your not a cabbage and have freewill. your making excuses
>>29967943
I have a hypothesis - maybe they are not the reason you are like this.
Would any robot care to respond to my post from this perspective? Come on, exercise those noodles. Come out of the hugbox for once, it's no good.
>>29967943
probably a personality disorder, my mom seems to enjoy getting buttmad and beating the crap out of people.
>>29968003
Why don't you go fuck yourself? Maybe from your perspective your parents aren't like that. Mine, my parents have been fucking abusing me my whole life.
>>29968028
Hmm. Then the statement doesn't apply to you, right? You didn't have to reply, don't worry.
>>29968003
no they really are, i had to spend 10 years as a shut in dealing with serious medical issues because they were too cheap to send me to a doc in the first place
>tfw your parents are multimillionaires and you're living on ssdi
>tfw an asshole like paul ryan is a prominent politician
>>29967991
They shaped our body and mind. We have ugly faces because of them. We have autistic personality because of them. We get more insecure because they yell at us everyday for not being the sons they wanted us to be. How is it not their fault?
>>29967991
Literally no one in the world has freewill, you idiot.
>>29968003
No? Well then, who's genes did I receive? Who raised me the way I am?
>>29968081
limits only exist within . you can run away from home if you wanted to.
>>29967943
>when they are the very reason why we are this way
I don't blame my parents any more than I blame myself.
If I'm a victim of causality than so is everyone else, regardless of how I might feel about it.
>>29968003
I think forcing me to stay home during my most adolescent years did kind of fuck me up desu
>>29968073
mindcontrol huh? you can leave if you wanted to. just go to a close internet friends place or be homeless and beg for work . you have the capacity to get on chan, you have the same for leaving home and asking for advice.
>>29967943
Anyone who says otherwise is literally retarded. The first seven years of your life are in essence, your programming stage. You can't escape what they made you, only cover it up.
>>29968216
>just go to a close internet friends place or be homeless and beg for work
>just
Just be yourself. :^)
>>29967943
>IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT NOT MINE
>>29968292
Go back to your homeboard.
>>29968304
I can't, it's your fault I'm here :^)
>>29968173
what was their excuse anon?
>oh it's so dangerous out there
>we must control every last detail of your life like when you were 2
>>29968292
You gotta admit though that some parents are better than others
American parents are absolute garbage. They see their kids as nothing more than social tools at best and pets at worst.
>raised by alcoholic single mother with drug addiction
>she never worked, instead we lived on government money, money from her boyfriends, and the occasional church handout
>frequently evicted, stability was unheard of, lived on a diet of 90% canned food
>she was a black sheep of the family and since we usually lived in rural areas and moved around a lot I never made lasting connections with people
>ended up as an "adult" that can't function at all in any sense of the word
>one day she gets a little too much to drink and starts mouthing off over things
>calls me gay because I've never had a gf
>blames me for her life being shit as if I was the one who forced her to spread her roastie legs
>go to my room
>she follows me
>turn around and smash her head into the floor until she blacks out
still don't regret it
>>29968319
Nice entry-level strawman! I'm gonna go ahead and say, /b/?
>>29968393
That's true, but only a very small amount of parents are so shit that their kid turns out like them, because most children have the mental capacity to realize that what their parents are doing is wrong
>>29968414
I'm only getting on your level, given that you like to blame everyone else for your problems and not take responsibility for anything
>>29967943
>don't go outside it's dangerous,all you have to do is studying
>look at you,all you did was studying,why didn't you go out like all normal kids?
>>29968283
its too easy anon
>>29968410
I'd regret that somewhat, but also it's likely no one else is willing to call her out on their shit because they can just walk away
she does still let you stay there, I know it's the least she can do but once you start physically attacking each other its time to think about getting the fuck out of there. not that I've done that myself, I just kinda know the feeling
>>29968441
Nice set of assumptions you have there! How about you stop projecting and go play Minecraft, or whatever it is you kids do.
>>29968028
Sexualy or? If first post green text i need a good jack off material.
>>29968410
wow anon are you incapable of greentexting to her face? i think that might have gotten your point across somewhat more succinctly.
>>29968476
>literally start out the thread blaming everyone else for your problems
>NICE ASSUMPTIONS XDDD
You're not a robot, you're just a stupid faggot
>>29968441
my abusive parents say the same thing and for some reason it's hard to take them seriously
>beat the shit out of me for 20 years
>"stop being a victim!"
>>29968468
No, I let her live there. I paid the majority of the bills including the rent, with a job that was constant unyielding torture because I grew up as a retard social animal that can't be calm around members of my own species.
>>29968501
No she was one of those types that lets it all in ear and out the other, she actually believes she was a good parent because thats all she wants to believe.
>>29968519
>hasn't beaten his parents back
Kek. Loser.
>>29968147
No, I can run away from home if the right circumstances, memory and genetics and environment, fall right into place at birth. Beyond that, the machines that were my ancestors, down to the ones who were single celled organisms, would have also had to have fallen into place correctly in fate to eventually give birth to a machine that runs away from home. Beyond that, the Earth would have had to have seen them appear in the right environment, and the Earth had to have had the capacity to build this enviorment, and the universe had to be able to craft this planet and so on and so on and so on. Your fate was decided with the conception of this universe. The only limit in this life is the limit of FATE. We have no will, no agency. We are living in some sort of stimulation, I'm convinced.
Away from the abstract though, OP's point is that people are raised in environments, or have genes, that make their machine predisposed to failureship and these factors, genetics and environment, are two things completely in the control of their parental machines from birth to adulthood. Even after adulthood, it's too late because the boulder that is fate has already been pushed down the hill that is life.
Telling us that it is our fault, that we are to blame due to lack of will or inner limits, is stupid. Blaming our parental machines is sort of stupid, but it is a very understandable reaction. Naturally, we feel the need to defend ourselves and correct this ill thoughtout critcism by pointing out it is our of our control.
>>29968519
If your parents beat the shit out of you for 20 years you go to the cops or beat the shit out of them yourself
You have to understand that in this life you don't have to take the shit of others, you are free to fight back whenever you want to
>>29968216
>hurr durr mindcontrol, huh :^)?
Uh, it's called genetics and epigenetics, m8.
>>>/reddit/
>>29968504
>assuming I'm OP
Holy shit, dude, how often did your parents drop you as a kid?
>Anon you don't get along with us
>You don't get along with anybody
>You have anger issues
FUCK YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR BULLSHIT I WENT TO BECOME A FUCKING JUNKIE SO I CAN BE PASSIVE AND A FUCKING PEOPLE PLEASER BUT THAT ONLY MADE ME EVEN MORE MISERABLE FUCK YOU HAVING FUCKING FRIENDS WONT GET ME FAR I. LIFE FUCK YOU I LIKE BEING THE WAY I AM FUCK OUTTA HERE I DON'T WANT TO SMOKE MORE WEED AND BE EVEN MORE PASSIVE
>>29968657
>junkie
>weed
Nah, m8, that just makes you a loser.
>>29968544
>No, I let her live there.
Christ and she still talked shit? You should have pimped her out in that case
>>29968645
>behave exactly like someone else
>DURR HOW DARE YOU ASSUME I'M THAT PERSON
How much did your mother drink that you were born a braindead retard
>>29967943
We are the very reflection of their own failure, that's why they hate us.
>>29968441
>le look at you, heh. Let me stoop down to your level, kid :^)
You haven't the capacity to get on his "level"; you weren't gifted with genetics that allow you to introspect in abstract, you fucking redditor.
You are the reason you are like this.
>>29968670
>Implying normies don't use drugs
Also weed makes you into a big pussy. No wonder why everyone in feels cry about nonsense girly shit
>>29968670
Yeah, plenty of people here go through hell and don't do op[iates; that's just crossing a line. I'd rather just jump in front of a bus than pick up dope.
>>29968003
They make up most of the reason but not all of it.
If my aunt didn't marry and stay with a sociopath man who didn't finish high school her children would be better off, but they are messed up now, and their children are struggling and they still have resentment towards her.
>>29968708
Nah fuck you, weed is great. Heroin is the worst poison on the planet though.
>>29968698
No, I just don't have enough chromosomes to be this retarded
>>29967943
>not having parents in denial or willfully ignorant parents
>>29968731
Shh pussy no one told you to talk
>>29968735
How can anyone, who's really pondered the idea, believe in libertarian freewill?
>>29968741
Just have some real priorities.
>>29968756
There is no true free will, but that doesn't mean your actions don't pave the path to your future
If you're gonna be a cuck your whole life, you will stay a cuck for the rest of your life
>>29968781
>If you're gonna be a cuck your whole life, you will stay a cuck for the rest of your life
That's really nondescript and unhelpful. Why not just say "don't be a cuck"
>>29968803
I'm saying that if you have a problem, you should step up and do something about it
Problems don't fix themselves
>>29968738
who here /willfullyignorant AND indenial/ combo
>>29968775
Nah nigger. I'd rather shot my leg than to be a pothead loser like you.
>>29968829
Ha, what?
>>29968865
What's that pothead? Can't get a job to fuel your shitty habit because you can't pass a drug test? Sucks to be you, passive faggot.
>>29968893
Not that anon but
>work on legal cannabis farm in Washington
>tfw have to fail a drug test to work there
besides drug testing cannabis is going to be a thing of the past in the next 10 years.
>>29968893
Lol, did you get cucked by a pothead or something?
It's not that serious and you're getting really, really worked up over him mentioning he smokes pot.
>>29968937
>Have to fail a drug test
Nice bullshit story that none cares about, loser pothead.
>>29968946
Look here another virgin pothead who likes to asslick other people. HAHA. GTFO to your gay image board faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ioSRwzFGg
just feel my shit up fampai
>>29968104
Your parents are only responsible for teaching you good values when you are young
After age 10, its more or less on the kid for how he develops
>>29967943
they're buttmad at themselves for fucking up when they raised you, but they take it out on us
because we can take it
>>29969014
Like I said, there's no free will.
How you raise a child, coupled with what genetics you give to said child, determines what their future will be for life. There is no "on the kid". It's all on the parent, and if they didn't foresee something like this happening, too bad.
>>29969084
>there's no free will
You're fucking retarded or just that deluded
Here I'll give you an example of free will you dumb fuck
>You have two options between cereal and toast for breakfast
>You pick toast
You just exercised free will
My parents aren't mad at me, they just feel sorry for me. I had an amazing childhood until I left kindergarden. That's when my mild autism and boylet frame fucked my shit up. I got diagnosed recently, but if my parents weren't so naive they'd get me diagnosed way earlier so I didn't have to suffer for so long.
Now I'm a friendless virgin manlet NEET with (probably) no future. I'm just sitting here doing nothing while waiting for some more rejected job applications.
I try to watch anime but it doesnt entertain me so much anymore. I'm considering getting on xanax or something so I don't have to feel like shit all the time.
>>29969141
>>You have two options between cereal and toast for breakfast
>>You pick toast
And the chemicals in your brain and body had no effect on which breakfast you felt like eating.
>>29969141
That's not an argument favoring free will. If you chose toast then why would you ever choose cereal? It was determined.
>>29969141
>compatabilist shithead with a single digit IQ detected
I picked toast because of my genetics and past memories interacting with my subconscious and litterally influencing my will.
>>29969084
it's useless trying to explain this shit to them.
normies aren't smart enough to figure out cause and effect works.
>>29969141
Sure but by that logic you can't blame your parents either. They are what their genetics and upbringing made them, same for their parents, etc.
>>29969181
That's like saying my car moved because it has an engine in it, fucking retard.
>>29969205
>aren't smart enough to figure out how cause and effect works
Too true, my boi. His logic is basically "dominoes fall over, but they're given the illusion of wanting to fall over so free will :^)".
>>29969258
No shit, you dumbfuck, I mention that >>29968549
here. Only thing is though, this thread isn't about us blaming them, it's about their blames and buttmad being unjustified. They can't blame us for actions their machine created.
>Waaah waaah its not my fault I'm a fuckup and have zero ambition to make my life better
Ahh yes, the whiny cry of impotent beta males
>>29968003
That's like saying it's not your rapists fault you got raped.
Every branch of childcare and psychology thoroughly explains how malleable children are and how negative experiences impact them far worse if they have an atypical mind.
Sure. Everybody has a choice, but that's when they gain their rights. And in my state you don't have full rights until you're 21. You would be surprised if society tells you to obey your parents every word and you have your parents threatening you but sugar coating it after long periods of abuse. We should honestly execute criminals with life sentences and reduce prisons so we can have government funded residences for abused children and struggling young adults. There is no reason why you should be forced to choose between intermittent comfort or getting thrown randomly with fosters or forced to be in an orphanage of whodunits.
I'm honestly disgusted that we take care of our prisoners far better than our children. Single parents that are not widowed/widower poor or illegal should not be raising children.
But nobody cares and feminism will never support this. It will support fathers to never see their children and pay child support to go to her prada bags and vacations.
>>29969298
Yes, exactly. The car doesn't move because it has free will. It moves because of the fucking engine.
>post your face when normies are literally mindless robots and the only reason they've gotten so far in life is because they're submissive cucks that are too stupid to think
>>29969355
Unless you grew up in the Middle East or any shit 3rd world country, there's no reason for you to be crying about "muh abuse :,(". Fucking pussy.
>>29969372
But I'm the one who decides when to move the car, not the fucking engine you fucking retard.
>>29969344
>zero ambition to make my life better
why would I have ambition to make my life better when I'm a ugly manlet assburger NEET? I even started lifting for 1.5 years and it gave me nothing more than a bit less anxiety while in public.
>>29969408
>implying traffic lights dont exist
>>29969408
You decided to move the car to get somewhere. To work, to buy food or in a useless attempt to prove you have free will.
>>29967943
>blaming others for your own deficiencies
You really are delusional.
>>29969408
WELL WHY DID YOU MOVE THE CAR, YOU FUCK!
Obviously for a reason, right? Now appply that method of thought to the reason you give and realize that you're just a machine reacting to external forces, i.e. not capable of free will.
>>29969141
Why would I pick the toast?
>>29969141
lmfao this cuck thinks he has free will hahaha.
>>29969467
And by making a decision he has a made a choice, therefore exercising his free will
Get fucked NEET your shitty logic ultimately fails
>>29969457
>Implying you can't pass through them
Faggot
>>29969524
Animals make choices all the time, that doesn't mean they have free will.
Try again.
>>29969492
>tfw all that shit on the right sounds horrible
>>29969524
If he needed to go to work, then he drove to work.
If he needed food, he drove to get food.
If he did it to show he has free will, then he reacted to our posts.
Ever heard of cause and effect. That's the law of nature. Cause and effect, not "free will".
>>29969387
In the middle eat and third world country families stick together and parents take care of their children. Hows it feel to be stupid? :)
>trusting the chemicals in your brain to tell you that every thing you do is because of the chemicals in your brain
Kek
>>29969524
The decision was made by the chemicals in his brain.
Bitch ass normie, don't try to tell us how this works, you don't know shit. Some of us have been on the loony bin, pumped on "just b urself man :D" meds. It's all about the chemicals, all about the damn chemicals.
>>29968073
You have too much pride to admit that it's your fault you stay at home all day.
God damn, at least use some of that freetime and volunteer.
>>29969608
You're right, everything in his life is his fault and he should just man up and be himself.
>>29969570
>>29969559
>What are virtual particles that appear out of nowhere
>Implying I am not the virtual particles controlling the car
>The engine is a brain who can't function without control
NEETfucks once again, BTFO
>>29968814
Problems have solutions.
A lifetime of Fucking things up fixed in one determined flash.
>>29969645
The brain is just controlled by instinct.
Try again wageslave.
>>29969671
>Yet we male decisions that go against our instincts
WOOHOO these NEETfucks are so easy get BTFO
>>29969671
But that's wrong you fucking retarded fuckbot
>>29969697
Like what give me an example?
>I am hungry
>Therefore I eat.
>>29967943
Because they lived in a generation before feminism where they had every single opportunity to succeed. They are the last generation that got the right to have a conservative wife and have a happy traditional family. They sold us out and gave way for liberalism and progressivism to ruin chances for all coming generations. They gave way for mass immigration so that young people have little to no job opportunities. They hog up all the housing and expect their kids to move out like the luxury they have had with cheap housing. They retire early and expect us to work into our 70s.
>>29967943
Ego and ignorance
They only wanted children because they FELT like it. For some reason, people perceive having children as a good thing, as a benifit to your life, so they ignore the fact that they might not make fiting parents (have youever seen a mom take criticism pertaining to her parenting skills? You don't, because of their ignorance. "DONT TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD" as if the child is jist property, and it's development doesnt matter, as long as the parents are happy. Even pets are treated better than children, for people take second opinions for them) and decide to have children because biological reward systems. Of course, they will not think about the gravity of rasing a child, the stress it may cause, how to make sure society doesnt brainwash them with normiedom, and the damage they could do to the child, and society as a whole (ex rasing up a robot or ghetto trash). They are in it for the pleasure, especially in this consumer society where normies do anything for mindless, short term pleasure (like that one thread where some college normie knew that he shouldn't have gone bareback, or have had sex with some random roast in the first place, but took no responsibility when she got preggo. "Its not my fault for biology makeing me want sex" he said. Ot could have been bait tho). This is why parents throw temper tantrums at children when they do something they dont want them to do instead of taking the time to teach the child properly, this is why parents will take full credit for their childrens sucess, but blame them for their failures. This goes more for single mothers (females are known to be more emotional, and men are the ones who sacrificed feelings to benefit society, unless risen without those guidelines, like in...) just look at black communities, where 70% of children are raised by singke mothers.
Its all about pleasure, ignorance and ego to make themselves feel good.
>>29969697
>we have defective, chemically unbalanced brains that make bad decisions
Fixed
>>29969630
That's a false dichotomy, and not one that I presented.
>>29969765
>I cannot refute, therefore I avoid.
>>29969736
Parenting isnt about the children anymore (if it was about children at all). You gotta blame society, for these parents are a part of it, and perpetuate it. Change society, change the way parents think and act, its the only way
>>29969733
I think computing forever did a vid on this, the creation of sjws or something
>>29969730
>What is anorexia
>>29969737
Therefore we have free will
Hahah this argument was 2easy4me
>>29969774
Saying an argument has a false premise is one of the most direct refutations possible.
>>29969671
>he's going to choose whether or not to reply to this post
>he's going to write/think up a response to this post
How is ^ instinctual? Remember, if you call everything we do instinctual the the word completely loses it's meaning
>>29969790
anorexia is a mental disorder.
>>29969806
So what
Oregano 2east
>>29969645
>hurr durr it's true because I said
>hasn't actually researched the shit he's spewing
>basis his entire argument on this false premise, for the sake of being right
Particles do not appear from nowhere. All elementary particles are excited states, or "quanta", of fields that exist throughout all of spacetime. For example, the photon is the quantum of the electromagnetic field, and the electron (and its antiparticle, the positron) are the quanta of the electron field. So when a particle appears, it is because the corresponding field became excited for some reason; but the field was already there.
>>29969834
If we had free will, we wouldn't have mental disorders.
>>29969790
No, "we" don't, you fucking moron. You can't control those chemicals, if they decide to go to the shrink or get fixed by taking meds, it's still on them. We don't control anything, we're just puppets, spectators who are stuck in Mr. Chems' wild ride.
>>29969834
so it's not free will
does an alcoholic have free will when he picks up the bottle? no
>>29969847
BTFO
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NO FREE WILL
NO FREE WILL
NO FREE WILL
NO FREE WILLL
The amount of wagecucks in this thread thinking they have free will. :^)
>>29969790
Therefore WE DON'T have free will, see here >>29969847
BTFO
>>29969850
Why are you trusting the chemicals in your head that say that everything you do is controlled by the chemicals in your head?
>>29969891
Who is "you"? You're talking to the chemicals right now.
>>29969645
>>29969697
>>29969891
>WE WUZ PHYSIC PROFESSORZ N' SHIEEEEEET
Kindly refute my post here >>29969847
>>29969597
>Muh chemicals
Way to buy into Big Pharma you dumb fuck
>Yes goy, you need this medicine for the rest of your life :^) please pay for it
>>29969918
No I'm not. I don't exist. By your logic the chemicals do everything. Therefore I don't exist and i am the chemicals. And who are you to refute that? Your just another batch of chemicals
The point in trying to make is that it doesn't matter what you call it and even if its 'fake' decision it's stills decision you can make.
You act all smug and almighty like you figured it out, but that's just the chemicals. There lies the biggest flaw in your theory however, if I just subtract 'chemical' from everything, everything remains exactly the same. It's just you found a way to spin it so you can do nothing with your life and say MUH CHEMICALS
Pathetic really
>>29969935
WAGESLAVES ON SUCIDE WATCH!
WAGESERFS ON SUCIDE WATCH!
WAGEMONKEYS ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING SUCIDE!!!
E T E R N A L W R E C K A G E
HARD DETERMINISM: 1
FREE WILL: BTFO
Where you going, normies, too scared to face reality? Too scared to accept that your just world is a sham?
>when a nigger steals and rape, the entire black race is at fault
>when anon is a worthless scumbag, it's everyone's fault except his own
/r9k/ is literally the teenage board
>>29970006
>the illusion of a descion is a descion
>>29970044
>/r9k/ is one person.
original
>>29970063
Is it not? Care to explain how it isn't?
>>29970006
No one is denying that we are just the sum of our chemicals or genetics, save for you.
We're fine with accepting this fact.
>>29969847
>>29969847
>Got his information from quora
>He can't make a solid argument himself
Hahaha. Ok article boy how about read this and yet again get BTFO once more
>But not every physicist buys into this argument. Here's the rub the Nobel prize winning condensed matter physicist Philip Anderson wrote a famous article entitled More is Different in 1972 where he defended the view that the laws and principles he studied as a condensed matter physicist were emergent and there are plenty of phenomena exhibited by a macroscopic systems theory. In other words, the information obtained from the whole cant be explained by the sum of information from each individual element. Simply put. Just because matter in the universe including all atomic constituents in the human body obeys the same laws. There is a huge gap here which is not explained by this line of reasoning. This is simply bad logic.
>>29970102
OH SHIT NEETKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH
BTFO
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>>29970102
>le expert diproved what I said and anon copied it. hehe this disproves the argument entirely
Holy shit, you're stupid. Wagies will do anything to cling on to their just world fallacy, huh?
>>29969847
>Another fundamental aspect which is widely overlooked in these studies is that they provide no proof whatsoever that brain activity could happen without conscious decision taking place. This is a critical point particularly because neural activity precedes the conscious awareness of the decision corresponding to it. Understandably, it is not surprising that brain activity that takes place before the will has been historically thought as the source that leads to behavior. Anything preceding an effect must be a cause. Not the tiniest shred of evidence exists, however, in favor of the idea that brain activity can occur without the corresponding decision-making. This is an argument piercing the veil of the fashionable you-have-no-free-will dogma that we are being told with religious certainty and confidence.
Oh boy I hope you have your suicide hotline to handle getting BTFO x2
>>29970178
I doubt you even read what was said made by a quora cuck student. Haha it's ok. I know it's hard not realizing free will exists and we are responsible for our own actions. Maybe go find another excuse as to you why you are a virgin
>>29969408
What if I don't know how to drive and I'm too dumb to learn?
>>29970184
>>29970234
blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/scientists-say-free-will-probably-doesnt-exist-but-urge-dont-stop-believing
Get RAPED, wagies. Only retarded scientists believe in free will.
>>29970315
Brains have limits, just like engines.
>>29970342
Prove to me that the brain can work without conscious thought. In the meantime, enjoy getting BTFO once more HAHA.
>>29970342
>blog.scientificamerican
Concisously decided to stop reading there.
So by this shitty NEET logic, you can't blame Chads or Roasties for anything because its simply their chemicals
I dont want to ever see another thread complaining about either
>>29970357
Then why did I get the 95 mercury sable and everyone else got at least a nice modern Japanese car? I can't make it up the mountain in this piece of shit
>>29970428
they don't deserve their good lives
i don't deserve my bad life
nobody deserves anything desu
>>29970432
Because you're unlucky. However, learn to ride that mercury better than anyone else and you'll probably be seeing yourself pass a couple Toyotas and Hondas. Maybe not all of them. But some.
>>29970398
No where in quantum physics is it claimed that we have free will. Electrons can be random, but randomness doesn't equal free will.
Normies who believe in free will should be murdered. Hard determinism should be a religion that enforces it's beliefs on non-believers via jihad
>>29970394
The illusion of coconsciousness does not prove free will.
>>29970455
And why do your chemicals decide that? Check ur chemical privilege u..... U.... IONIC COMPOUND
>>29970542
Your false premise, now, is that randomness, or what we perceive to be randomness, amongst the particles somehow disproves determinism.
But how can you prove it? You can't.
>>29970542
it's a little more complicated than 'your chemicals did it' actually
if you want to be stupid and simplify the main point is cause and effect
>>29970530
>Illusion of consciousness
HAHAHAHA. Confirmed anon for having the knowledge of an edgy high school freshman. Oh dear mr freshman, please tell us the definition or consciousness in your own words when neuroscientists can't explain what it is. HAHAHA.
>>29967991
>c'mom, just go out there! It's easy.
While it may seem like a breeze to normies because they haven't endured what we have, It's fucking terrifying to us.
>>29970611
>le straw man fallacy disproves free will
No. Free. Will.
No soul, no agency, how's that make you feel, slave boi?
>>29970680
Prove to me that consciousness is an illusion.in your own words. HAHA.
>>29970184
>>29970102
>what human brains consider randomness disproves determinism
Are normies this stupid?
>>29970606
>it's chemicals, dad
>you wouldn't understand
Because you don't own up to your mistakes and blame them on others.
They don't want to admit their failure. It's easy as that, admitting it now would make them insane.
>>29970761
How is being ugly an option? How is being short an option? How is being dumb an option? Come on anon, you're not even trying.
>>29970745
>what human brains consider randomness disproves determinism
>implying it doesn't
Boy sure you look mad over there
Us 'wageslaves' get it
Your having an existential crisis and you think your the only ones on earth that do
Your so special and deep mr anon with ur philosophical talk about chemicals
What college did you get your masters degree in chemistry in? You seem to talk about it alot
>>29970817
I got mine on quora.com :^]
>>29970761
Hard determinism is a fact, infidel, we are what we are because of our parents.
>>29970788
you use dumb as an excuse for being lazy, you use ugly as an excuse for not taking care of yourself, you use short as an excuse for not socializing with women
>>29970817
>le chemicals strawman
Mostly all of the posts, save for a few, refer to our fate as being decided primarily by genetics and enviorment. Go fuck yourself, infidel. Determinism as a religion is a thing now.
>>29970854
>MUH JUST WORLD FALLACY
Kill yourself.
>>29970854
>you use dumb as an excuse for being lazy
Someone who is dumb can work hard but he will always have much harder time understanding concepts and someone smarter will understand more for much less effort.
>you use ugly as an excuse for not taking care of yourself
How is it an excuse? Is ugliness only determined by taking care of yourself? What is facial bone structure?
>you use short as an excuse for not socializing with women
Why should I try hard to get women as a manlet when someone who is exactly the same, only tall could get these same women much easier?
>>29970611
Chad goes on tinder, gets 9999 matches. So he decides to use it again.
Robot goes on tinder, gets 0 matches, decides never to use it.
Assburger can't interact socially because of his disorder, so he decides to avoid doing so.
Chad Richcock with a high IQ grows up with all the privilege in the world, so he can easily focus on his studies and enter a top tier university while getting floods of pussy.
Robot Poorcock with a high IQ gets bullied in school, so he gets depressed. His seretonin and dopamine levels gets fucked so he loses his willpower and decides to drop out of college.
Anon wakes up feeling tired, so he drinks an extra dose of coffee to wake up.
Long term 27yo NEET ugly KV gets so depressed that he can barely get out of bed. He reluctantly sees a shrink and tries plenty of anti-depressives and therapy, and exercise. But the meds don't work and he has no hopes or dreams left. He could chose to start scrubbing toilets while depressed, but he doesnt have any friends to motivate him to do anything at all. He can't think of a reason to live, so he's too exausted and depressed to even make a decision at all.
>free will fags argument
Depressed suicidal robot can decide to ignore his chemically fucked up brain by deciding to get that toilet scrubbing job. He won't get a gf since he's an ugly loser, but he'll be able to live in a shithole after a few years of hard toilet scrubbing. It's all about decisions!
>we are the way we are because of muh parents and muh mean Chad classmates
>nothing is my fault
>don't my parents and Chad know how to be empathetic?
>is a meet and leeches money off other people, perpetually making these bad environments for families and furthering the gap between you and Chad
>b b b b b ut its not my fault !!
You might save a robot in the future if you end your life right now
>>29970894
you 100% missed the point of my post, good job
>>29970920
>perpetually
That's where you're wrong. Brother Schope and eternal mother Determinism have shown us the way.
>>29970992
Forgot pic. ###68_83&
>>29970982
So explain it to me. You will find out that your "point" is retarded, so don't dodge it with a dumb excuse like "no point explaining it to a loser".
>>29970902
>He does not know what consciousness is
HAHAHAHA. Since when was this image board full of uneducated underage b&
My personality/mentality is so crooked right now because i never had that father love that guys had. I grew up being scared of my dad and from what i've read, daddy issues can fuck a guy up quite badly.
>hurr just fix your relationship with yr dad
I can't. He's like stranger to me now. Of course he tried to be all friendly and stuff but i feel so distant. I feel awkward when near him and always avoid meeting him. Like i avoid meeting strangers. I don't hate him though, it's just that our relationship will never work, and i will be a father with daddy issues and my son will also have daddy issues.
>>29971056
You normies think consciousness is some magical thing. I bet you even believe in "souls".
Ever heard of subconsciousness. Or neurochemistry?
>>29969608
>You have too much pride to admit that it's your fault you stay at home all day.
if i only could kill you you fucking faggot, i missed out literally everything in my life becouse my parents didnt allow me to leave house when i was kid/teenager
The most defining feature of a normie is the belief in free will, they actually believe that they earned the life they have, they don't like the fact that everything they have is simply due to luck.
>>29971023
there is no point but I always answer someone who asks nicely. People are born inequal, but it doesn't mean they can't all access some sort of happiness. Being short, ugly and dumb are handicaps but they do not determine your future and they certainly do not determine your actions, you alone are responsible for them. People complain about being ugly yet they don't work out, are way overweight, don't have good hygiene, don't get a haircut and don't get decent clothes. Basically they use their shortcomings as a justification for their action, whereas there are plenty examples of people not necessarily better looking but who take much better care of themselves and finding themselves a spouse.
"I am ugly/dumb/short therefore I can't do anything about it !" this is the ultimate excuse for someone who's afraid of taking responsibility for their own choices. Every morning you wake up and you have a choice, you try to improve your life or you don't. You don't have the choice of actually improving, but you have the choice to try. No matter what you or anyone else say as a mechanism of defense for their behavior, you have that choice. From the first day until the last.
>>29971205
>People are born inequal, but it doesn't mean they can't all access some sort of happiness.
I agree. But someone who is born better will have more happiness in life.
>whereas there are plenty examples of people not necessarily better looking but who take much better care of themselves and finding themselves a spouse.
You said it yourself. Examples. Examples don't mean much (if anything). For every inferior guy who works hard there are many who work hard and don't get anything. Not to mention if someone gifted worked as hard as the, he would get much more.
>Every morning you wake up and you have a choice, you try to improve your life or you don't
And you think trying to improve yourself makes sense?
Free will is an ''illusion'' because everything is a series of reactions. You are never making a pure action, it does not exist, it is always caused by something, whatever the genetic and mental conditioning reason is. There is ''choice'', but the choice is not free, it is not a free agent making an action, whatever you do is a reaction to prior reactions.
The problem here is that losers use their basic understanding of this to validate their shitty life.
>>29970920
It's not their fault that they had bad childhood conditioning. Their fault is that they failed to overcome it.
>>29971141
If you know what consciousness is then define it in your own words, NEETKEK HAHAHA.
>>29967943
Your parents didn't make you robots. You chose that.
>>29971271
>It's not their fault that they had bad childhood conditioning. Their fault is that they failed to overcome it.
How can you say that when many people didn't have bad childhood? YOU FUCKING CUNT.
>mid 20s NEET
>scrolling through craigslist jobs
>see this shit
GOD FUCKING DAMNNNNNNNNNNNN
>>29971261
How do you determine who will get something and who won't ? how do you decide that someone is born better and someone is born worse ? At what height should you stop trying to live your own life ?
why would you ever stop trying to improve your own life ? why would you ever stop trying to improve yourself ? if something is precious to you, you're the only one who can work toward it. Again, it doesn't mean you'll get it and nobody on earth has any guarantee whatsoever, you only have one choice, you either do something or you don't do anything
>>29971271
They failed to overcome due to genetics and childhood conditioning though.
>>29971205
Your actions are determined by your genetics, really.
>>29971396
>How do you determine who will get something and who won't ?
Attractive people get more from life than ugly people. In pretty much all areas of life.
>how do you decide that someone is born better and someone is born worse ? At what height should you stop trying to live your own life ?
Like pretty much everything in life, it's fuzzy. You can't tell the exact height, but you can roughly tell the amount of inferiority. People have a sense for it. And especially women obviously.
>why would you ever stop trying to improve your own life ?
Because compared to someone gifted you get poor results.
>Again, it doesn't mean you'll get it and nobody on earth has any guarantee whatsoever, you only have one choice, you either do something or you don't do anything
And just accept the injustice and even support it by working.
>>29971198
This. Fucking this. Normies should be executed.
>>29971450
>I'm a lazy little bitch, the post.
>>29971506
>no retorts, the post
>>29971450
I've said all I had to say on the subject really, there's no point in discussing further. You do on living your life as you see fit, I'll go on trying to improve myself on the areas I care about most.
>>29967943
lol you are a fagit fucking ignorant retard.
the other guy is right, own up to your faults.
no one said the world is perfect, and that life is great for everyone, life can be shit, but it is still your fault if you aren't productive for yourself.
>>29969630
>>29968073
lmao retards^^^
you guys are just making excuses. so logically distorted.
>We have ugly faces because of them. We have autistic personality because of them. We get more insecure because they yell at us everyday for not being the sons they wanted us to be. How is it not their fault?
>We have autistic personality
Well, that sure is apparent. Coming up with those kinds of self serving, nearsighted, and logically flawed ideas is something that is characteristic of people with autism and aspergers.
You don't have to go out and improve yourself, just don't blame people who aren't responsible for your shortcomings.
>>29968003
You're right, it's not their fault my oneitis called me gay.
It's not their fault I was made fun of, bullied and beaten in school.
It's not their fault a group of girls surrounded me to laugh at how I'll never get a girlfriend.
It's not their fault in a social game I was the only boy the girls never picked.
Oh wait, did I have an ugly, bespectacled face back then which I was made fun? That just might be my genetics.
Could it be that I was also socially awkward and autistic because of my genetics?
Hmmm.. things aren't looking too good for my parents, do they?
It's all their fault. You cannot refute this.
>>29971554
Well since you have no retort. I'm gonna have to assume I'm right and you're not.
>>29971556
>I chose to be autistic
Hmm, really makes you think.
>>29971303
They obviously had bad early and adolescent conditioning which caused them to be retarded.
>>29971402
They can expose themselves to information which will cause them to get out of their current state. It's not fate, it's determinism, there is a great difference. If you are aware that you are a loser, and you do nothing about it, you will remain a loser. If you do something about it, it still plays into the truth of the illusionary free will because like everything else, ''you'' are reacting.
>>29971582
assume what you want, I've argued with enough people both at my job and online to know that you can't really convince people with words. It takes times and events. I've said what I had to say, it'll stay with you for a while and maybe help you one day, maybe not. Going on again and again at this point is pointless and a waste of both of our time
>>29971556
>You're a by-product of environmental and genetic factors out of your control.
EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES
>>29971640
>They obviously had bad early and adolescent conditioning which caused them to be retarded.
Why should they have to overcome something they didn't choose to have?
>>29971643
>loses argument
>oh it's just such a waste of time
>still thinks he's right
maybe someday you'll realise that you're wrong
>>29971640
There is virtually no difference between determinism and fate; fate and determinism both agree that, even this discussion, was set in motion at the beginning of time.
I don't see how compatabilists don't see the flaw in their arguments. How can the illusion of a choice be a choice? I get your thought procss, I get that you're trying to help, but you're telling me all of this because it's fate's decree.
>>29971686
They don't. There is no real choice, as i said, no true action. There are too many factors determining what reaction will occur. I am saying that they can change their brain chemistry, change their conditioning etc. But that it still plays into the whole concept.
>>29971681
Why don't you go "work hard" with your "free will" and make a billion dollars anon? Don't make excuses, go do it.
>>29971769
I'm on your side faggot look at who I replied to
>>29971681
>be le compatabilist good guy that doesn't actually believe the absurd concept of free will
>fate dictates that you are to help le NEETs because you're genetically predisposed to such things
>but all you're really doing is making NEETs more zealous in their belief of hard determinism
Kek.
>>29971737
it's not about the argument, it's about where you are in your life thanks to your outlook. I'm going to realize I'm wrong because after years of hard work I'm finally getting some results ? I doubt it
>>29971169
>didnt allow me to leave house when i was kid/teenager
I lived on a rough estate but I agree, I'd rather be out there with the chavs smoking spliffs and drinking white lightning
I just feel so isolated
>>29971908
>wasn't abused as a kid
>"why can't you trust people? what's wrong with your outlook?"
>>29971752
I am aware of all of the reactions and causes that determined me to make these posts. But i can't change this. Why do all of these robots here think that they were destined to be robots? Some reaction might cause another reaction when they are effected by it. I'm not saying free will exists. I'm saying is that they do not know for sure their ''fate'', but still, whatever they do will be determined.
>How can the illusion of a choice be a choice?
Because it is an illusion to the one making the choice. There is a prior cause to whatever they do and so on.
>>29971800
Shit, well that's embarrassing.
>>29971569
>>It's all their fault. You cannot refute this.
Only if they were below 3/10 humans who decided to reproduce because muh dick and vajayjay. If they were average or above average and produced you then it's just bad luck.
The genetic lottery is fucked up. Especially when my brothers are Chads and I'm a manlet assburger robot. FUCKCKKC
>>29972176
>Especially when my brothers are Chads and I'm a manlet assburger robot.
I completely shut myself away when my brother hit puberty, it was so humiliating and made me so fucking angry that he got the good genes and I got fucked over. That's the day I gave up on life
>>29972241
>tfw my 14 year old brother is 2 inches taller than me already
Fucking unbelievable
>>29967991
YOU'RE A PRODUCT OF YOUR ENVIRONMENT, piece of shit.
>>29967991
>>29972385
+ genetics
Every time I tell my shrink this she can't refute it. She (I know, I should've gotten a male one) just tells me I need to make the best out of my life as a NEET assburger friendless virgin.
>things will get better
>you're still young
But I missed out on my entire youth and early 20s-
>you're still young
Yeah I'm sure my late 20s and 30s will be amazing.
