>30 years from now
>VR has advanced to be lifelike
>go into your VR room, activate the system
>All your favorite scenarios and games pop up around you
>tfw you pick the medieval grimdark fantasy world
>load into your avatar, a tall, chiseled and handsome knight
>your companions surround you, millions of people in their avatars doing their own thing
>AIs make up serfs and manual laborerers nobody wants to be
>tfw you go into a battle with no real risk of death
>tfw you're cleaving through plebs, storm a castle and rape a fair maiden (who is a actually a guy with a fetish for rape irl)
>tfw you return to the tavern to laugh and drink with your medieval buddies
So, who else just surviving for VR? Where would you put yourself in it?
it will take far longer for VR to be lifelike
That sounds like garbage. VR is garbage. Drink Coca Cola.
>>29908016
hate to break it to you but in reality, VR will never ever get to that level itll always just be a dumb helmet with a bunch of screens on the inside at best
playing something like elite or a racing game will always be the closest you get to a life-like simulation with that shit
unless someone invents direct brain interfaces which ... well ... society will collapse way before that could ever become a possibility and even if it doesnt none of us here will live near long enough to see it
>>29908016
I can't wait for the world to become like Surrogates so I never have to be me again.
>>29908057
Think about videogames 20 years ago. Technology is remarkable.
We have the power of many bulky computers of the LATE 90's stuffed into something that can fit in our hand.
>>29908016
you'll be an old fuck with arthritis
>let's wait until I'm 50+ and then surely my life will pick itself up !!
good plan
>>29908089
The technological singularity is predicted to occur in 2045. At that point we will have full interface VR, like seen in the matrix.
>>29908130
>>29908149
If it happens at 2045, I'll be 50 years old. Not bad at all, considering you'll be free to do whatever you want in VR.
>>29908101
this isn't about gradual improvement of computers, tho. it would need a quantum leap to make a vr experience indistinguishable from real life (tink matrix like ui docking station).
>>29908149
i'd add at least 20 years to that. most of Kuzweils colleagues agree that his prediction is VERY optimistic
>>29908089
the people who invented the first plane thought "humanity would be able to fly in a million years" a few years before the invention of the airplane
>>29908016
I have my philosophical differences with VR. Nothing in virtual reality is real, things have to be real to have meaning. And meaning is important. In VR the only meaning anything has is the fact that it's programmed to be the way it is. The VR you speak of is an existential nightmare.
>lol who cares if I'm enjoying it though XD
Glad you're happy then, you literal fucking nihilist.
>>29908016
>Linku Starto!
>>29909031
VR is real as you percieve it. Doesn't matter if it's all in your head.
>>29908149
newsflash there isnt gonna be a fucking "technological singularity"
if anything, the rich banker 1% and political upperclass will use AIs controlling advanced combat drones and other mechanisation to entirely rid themselves of any need to keep us common useless plebs alive, retreating to their unimpregnable fortified gated communities and leaving us outside to starve and without any possibility of revolt or change to the situation, only wandering out there every so often to pick out the hottest young females among the surviving population to keep as sex slaves
>>29908016
read brave new world op
>>29908780
but kurzweil is a very lucky guy
>>29909111
we can still build nukes and AMPs just before this shit happens
>>29908948
Well, what else CAN it be? Aside from a holodeck (will almost certainly not be invented in your lifetime) or putting a device INSIDE your head (will definetly not happen in the next 30 years), VR will always have to be based in the real world.
You people are acting like getting to ultra realistic VR is just as linear a progression as is the improvement of graphic cards and shit. It isn't. It'll become the best possible VR experience it can become based on the devices we have right now (or similar), but then it will re quire a QUANTUM LEAP to go from pretty cool to absolutely mindblowing realism.
>>29909135
what the fuck is an AMP
is it like an EMP
this board is retarded
>>29909031
>It's not real therefore bad
>>29909102
You're speaking to an autist who thinks he's better than everyone else because he's a special snowflake who believes that just because something isn't real it means that it can't have meaning.
>>29909127
in what way?
oreganodesu
A whole generation of Don Quixotes
Is this what you want OP?
considering the amount of money and brains being poured into VR right now, and that what we have now is an excellent start, i think its possible with enough time. Oculus rift is fucking awesome.
>>29909164
it is fucking 1:08 at krautland right now , the "e" is only 2cm away from my "a" and i aint got any coffee today. if you think a simple error should be considered retardation , you should first pick your own nose , little mister perfect
>>29909111
Actually, judging from the current developments in silicon valley, l wouldn't be surprised if the singularity would be created by a non profit organisation. There are a lot well meaning people with basically infinite capital at their hands working on doing just that to favor humanity as a whole.
>>29909135
all of which will be controlled by advanced superhuman AIs subservient to their 1% elite political upperclass masters, doing their bidding and all the while also controlling armies of invincible superhuman terminator combat droids which will make any form of revolt utterly impossible for all time
anyone born outside of their impregnable gated community fortresses among the teeming starving masses will only be able to look forward to a short live of drudgery, dirt and disease until his early death, unless she happens to be a supermodel class beauty and has the luck to be picked out by the sex slave selection raiding droids ravaging the landscape for some trust fund asshole
>>29909102
>What matters is the positive value I apply to it, not the fact of what it really is!
You're religious aren't you.
>>29909249
>silicon valley startup "entrepreneurs" and trust fund babies
>"well meaning"
my sides
see >>29909252 and open your eyes to fucking reality
>>29909173
Newsflash: In a few billion years the universe will be eaten up by itself. There is no more meaning to reality other than the cognitive bias we have towards it.
>>29909176
I mean when it comes to "predictions", he's an incredibly smart man but he was very lucky to get pretty much everything he predicted right tbf, wouldn't be surprised if he's right again
Sorry for this rambling and for my english but I'm sure a very small percentage of people would be able to get their "reality" genes deactivated (I mean those genes that make you understand that just because at one time you see something and then someone hides it from you it doesn't mean that thing has disappeared) in order to get the best VR experience possible. Of course these people are gonna be terminally ill billionaires or just very rich lunatics but I can totally see something along these lines happening quite soon
>>29909252
You almost hit the nail on the head, however there will be no lower class woman prettier than the genetically engineered people living inside of the communities.
I can't wait for this shit god damn fuck
>implying the main drive for VR won't be porn
>load up daddy-daughter 2: diddling daddy
>materialize in daughters bed
>pull down her panties
>lick her pussy
>spread her butt cheeks
>lick her asshole as she moans
>stick a veiny cock in her pussy
>pump in an out bouncing on the bed
>cum hard in little pink daughter pussi
>she says "love u papi"
>end game
>load up BLACKED V: United Europe
>Go around as a negro impregnating tumblr feminists
>>29909136
i am not that much of an escapist that i would need "ultra realistic VR"
things that would equal 2010 mid-tier graphics would be enough. the only challange is to find out how to put all kinds of stimulus into the brain the right way. everything from there will just be a matter of how much time devs are willing to put into their game design.
>>29909252
>implying the change would come in less than a year , turning the plebs into cavemen at a moments notice , with every place of the world doing the same thing at the same time.
the moment it starts will still leave a window for reaction , except when we have a unified government/ economical party to force it all through everywhere at the same time.
>>29909031
Meaning is always ascribed by humans, what difference does it make if it isn't "real"?
>>29909258
Are emotions not real because they're chemicals? Are thoughts fake because they're created by synapses and neurons in your brain?
What's the difference between having a candle held up to your nose, smelling it, and a chip in your brain telling you you're smelling a candle that isn't there?
If you're experiencing something, it is real.
>>29909252
This I doubt, only because the majority won't conciously allow it. Maniplation, not force, will be the method by which the upper class will rule.
>>29909474
I think the main problem will be the physical restrictions. You will never be able to seamlessly go from sitting in a pub to talking through the woods to riding a horse unless you spend millions of dollars on highly advanced engineering.
I wanna fuck Anime.
>>29908016
Honestly it's the thing I'm most excited about in life as well. I look forward to the day when I can play Diablo and actually tear demons apart with my own hands.
I don't think a "VR room" will be necessary though. That will be too limiting. It'll be closer to the Matrix system where you jack in.
I also don't think pain sensitivity should be removed completely. It is a necessary part of the action and thrill.
>>29909252
>1%
try 0.01%
becoming part of the 1% is very achieveable. Chances are that several of your parents friends are part of the 1%.
The only people profiting here will be the huge corporate drones with a multi million dollar salrary.
>>29909252
>blah blah blah whiny conspiracy babble bullshit
nothing you are saying is backed by any evidence. retards like you have been talking about the elite initiating mass extermination since the turn of the industrial age.
and to pretend like ALL the wealthy members of the world will magically be on the same page is fucking teenage angst faggotry. this is fucking stupid. i bet you've never made more than minimum wage before.
>>29909031
>implying anything around you right now is "real"
>>29909584
Vidya still give you a thrill by forewarning your failure through health bars, red screens, hearts, ect.
You dont want your failure to set you back so you panic and get excited. Permadeath could make this very stressing.
That or fear in horror games.
You also get excited with accomplishment, getting a shiny new item, breaking a speedrun or beating a boss.
Excitement and adrenaline also occur wheb competing with another person, or advanced AI.
Pain wouldn't be neccessary, but maybe another unpleasant sensation to warn that you're in trouble, as pain is meant to do.
>>29909808
This. I'm the realest ITT, in fact I've released several politically laden mixtapes after my numerous accidents with the police
>>29909375
true
>>29909474
>the moment it starts will still leave a window for reaction
obama is already bombing third world countries with drones RIGHT NOW. the "moment of reaction" as you call it has long sense passed
>>29909505
>This I doubt, only because the majority won't conciously allow it.
kek at "the majority" having any say in the matter once the 1% arm up their combat drones and retreat to their gated communities
newsflash, theyre already living in such places and *have actual regular pleb human beings willing to put their lives on the line to defend them in their fortresses*
truthfully they wouldnt even need the AI revolution to utterly control all aspects of life as they already do right now but when the moment comes to replace their current, fallible human servants and defenders with perfect AI controlled robots, economics alone will dictate that they take it
>>29909618
might be, I dont know the precise cutoff point of how rich youd have to be to be able to become part of the inner circle once we get there; frankly I actually think it might even be a larger number like maybe even up to 20%; the 1% are not evil misanthropic monsters, at least they don't like to see themselves that way; scarcity of desirable real estate and economics will be the only forces that dictate who will be allowed in and who will be left outside, but it might also be a much lower one like you said. regardless the precise number doesnt matter, I was just trying to give a little wakeup call to the naive idiots in this threads
>>29909505
Knowledge is Perception: The Post
Read Theatetus.
>>29909732
>conspiracy babble bullshit
You're aware of what full automation means, right?
Everything else is just basic economics.
>>29909732
everything I said hinged on the assumption of human equivalent or superhuman AI making all human labor superfluous, if that never happens then none of my predictions apply
>>29909830
>Permadeath could make this very stressing.
no one is talking about permadeath. just limited pain reception with a kill switch if it exceeds a certain threshold.
it adds to the impressiveness and also helps boys to man the fuck up, which is exactly what a lot of r9k needs.
it would be cool to know the top players in those kinds of games paid the price through real pain to get where they are. it also helps in adding an intimidation and realism factor to fights.
>>29909891
>You're aware of what full automation means, right?
yeah, i do. i work in engineering.
the problem is, without any evidence to support your idiotic claims, you have already painted some weird fucking doomsday scenario for the future of humanity. like those flat earther rejects, you seem to assume every rich/powerful guy is evil and on the same page to wipe out 99% of humanity.
full automation means we are post scarcity. if we've reached this point then chances are we will begin colonizing the oceans of earth and eventually other planets. there is no need for a mass extermination.
>>29909852
>I dont know the precise cutoff point of how rich youd have to be to be able to become part of the inner circle
During the first few weeks of the singularity, the people that get their hands on the technology and fully automate (propably even less than 0.01% of the populations) will generate such unimaginable wealth for themselves that even Bill Gates money will be peanuts to them.
If you were part of an elite of multi trillionaires, would you let billionaires or (kek) millionaires into your circle? They will all be part of the filthy peasant class.
>>29908016
>Play VR porn
>Links to Facebook account and posts a status "anon set a record on bukakke bitches 3! Click here to play"
Thanks zucker(((Berg)))
>>29910033
well yes I would, but I agree the whole question is whether or not they will
the cutoff point will be determined by those people who are in control once we get there, exactly like you said. exactly how many and who will be allowed in that inner circle will be entirely up to them so it depends on what they do. so like I said I dont know the cutoff point, I just used 1% as a convenient shelling point. it might even turn out to be just a single utterly sociopathic individual, but I think its more likely that the ones in control will want to take their country clubs and gated community neighbors along for the ride.
>>29910033
I think you're right but you're forgetting something: why would they even need the masses?
>>29910127
have you been following the discussion? the whole point was that they wouldnt
>>29908016
I stopped drinking in anticipation of VR advances
>>29910032
again, it's simple economics. if we achieve the singularity, the wealth disparity will skyrocket.
It's inevitable.
I agree that the other anons prediction is a little elysium-ish. But the concept of posession will certainly prevail and 99.9 per cent of posession will lay in the hands of a very small elite. And we've been around long enough to see how such a scenario would play out.
>>29910448
>if we achieve the singularity, the wealth disparity will skyrocket.
>It's inevitable.
the problem is you can't wrap your head around the fact that people will come up with work arounds, or that society will prep itself for such a scenario. why are you acting like no one is going to see it coming or do anything to change it? this is why i'm telling you what you're saying is completely fucking stupid.
>And we've been around long enough to see how such a scenario would play out.
no we haven't, because this literally has never happened before. the same bullshit was said for any at-the-time advanced technology. "only the wealthy elite will have high speed internet/next gen phones/access to decent healthcare/etc."
>>29910033
>will generate such unimaginable wealth for themselves that even Bill Gates money will be peanuts to them.
you literally have no fucking idea how economies work.
lol @ trillionaires. no one would let that happen. you'd see trillionaires' heads on pikes before you saw that.
>>29908057
Once the public starts putting money into it it will explode. You will see innovations the likes of which the world has never seen.
>>29910728
where was my thinking wrong?
there are already clans with a kumulative wealth of trillions.
There are several trillion dollar industries in the us alone. If you could cut away all their costs, several trillionaires would arise in a very short time.
Which economical concept describes the heads on spikes hypothesis?
>>29910103
Audibly laughed. Very nice post.
>>29910699
If anything, I see corporations becoming more powerful in the future. What do you think could be done to prevent what I described?
I agree that the post-apocalyptic scenario is a little out there, but human nature will definetly lead to an elite exploiting their position and be protective of it, especially since we are still living on limited space.
>>29910855
well first of all:
>the people that get their hands on the technology and fully automate
is a stupidly vague statement that does nothing but tell me you have no idea how the tech industry or the finance industry works.
>There are several trillion dollar industries in the us alone
an entire monopoly is not the same as individual wealthy elites who are "trillionaires".
>If you could cut away all their costs, several trillionaires would arise in a very short time
oversimplification; you can't just eliminate all employees over night. that alone would probably breach employee contracts and result in lawsuits driving the company bankrupt. the tech that automates most things still needs to be managed anyway, it will never be a one man monopoly.
>Which economical concept describes the heads on spikes hypothesis?
it's not economics, it's a matter of "what happens when people have no food to eat?". people aren't going to starve themselves out. and it will never get to that point anyway; a large element of society is fully aware of the coming automation age and people will be pushing for legislation that protects the unemployed masses.
i am not sure why you guys come up with these apocalyptic problems in your head but don't bother to take it 1 step further and consider the solutions to it.
>>29908016
i really hope full immersion happens before this but whatever
>30 years from now
>reflexes have diminished beyond saving by auto-aim
>can't keep up with the updates and younger players
>lay off the fighting and focus on the crafting/smithing instead
>one day working on a fresh set of gear at the anvil in front of my shop
>see this young kid walking by himself
>he's being followed by some lower levels, bullying him
>apparently he tried to make friends in his school but then they we're just kidding with him and now they're fucking his shit up every day
>stay at my anvil but watch what is happening
>nigga why dont you just knife the motherfucker like why are you taking all this shit
>oh wait thats right this is VR not real life
>just ignore them as there's not much i can do right now
>get dehydrated and hungry
>decide to log off for a bit
>log back on and see the kid again
>tell him to drop by for a lobster and a beer
>ask him if he's alright, say it's cause i can tell by the pixelated mess that is his face
>"haha, i'm fine"
>"stop talking shit nigga, why you so depressed?"
>we talk a bit, i tell him i saw what happened earlier
>apparently he tried to get friendly with this girl above his social league
>she decided to talk shit about him to everyone
>some of her orbiters decided to stop playing FIFA VR and started to bully the kid because they thought it was more fun
>feel bad for the kid so give him some gear so he can "properly rek those cunts m8"
>he doesn't get my MLG-cancer
>feel old again
>he's logging off because his father is home and got bored of beating his mom
>"you're a pretty cool guy"
>"for you"
>"huh? I dont get it"
>"n-never mind"
>he sends me a friend request anyway
>>29911048
I think you should read the thread. Mos of your objections fall flat in context of a technological singularity.
>>29910959
>What do you think could be done to prevent what I described?
we are living in very progressive times and concepts like basic income is pretty regularly discussed and will continue to be more discussed in the future, until it is fully immersed into society as a necessary thing.
you must also keep in mind that there is very limited or no synergy between the wealthiest and most powerful people. it is impossible to get them all on the same page, especially considering so many billionaires are philanthropists and want no part in mass extermination.
>especially since we are still living on limited space.
floating cities on oceans and colonizing other planets is not an unheard of concept if we are post-singularity/scarcity. space will never be an issue.
>>29911093
thanks for the non-response. i was speaking in context of a technological singularity. please try reading and actually critiquing my points next time
>>29911116
>We are living in very progressive times. Most industrialists are actually philantrophes who care for their workers. I just fail too see a catastrophic event happen. Especially with all the failsafes and diverse intrests of the elite.
t. young european man circa 1912
>>29911116
I agree that basic income will propably the first thing to happen post-automation (and rightfully so).
But I think there will be problems during the adaption phase after the singularity. It is almost certain that some people will profit immensely from it and humans were never inclined to give up power. For every Elon Musk, you'll have ten sociopathic CEOs and trust fund kids.
We will certainly not go from darwinistic capitalism to Star Trek hippiedom over night (even though this is where we might eventually end up).
>>29911208
and yet here we are, still alive, and not exterminated, while living in even more progressive times with less crime and better science/technology.
thanks for proving me right, numbnuts.
>>29911252
>For every Elon Musk, you'll have ten sociopathic CEOs and trust fund kids.
why would trust fund kids be invested in AGI? it's mostly already developed tech companies that are investing, and the intentions aren't evil.
people are aware of the dangers of AGI and are keeping that in consideration when developing it. it's not going to be controlled by rich dipshits, it's going to be monitored by teams of the most talented engineers, scientists, programmers, etc. -- there is no room for whackjobs to take control of a godlike AI.
>>29911257
why yes full automation hasnt quite happened yet quite the astute observation there, congrats! <insert "nothing gets past this guy" dot jpeg here>
>>29911342
because trust fund kids have money and money is quite literally (economic) power, that's what money fucking IS you retarded aspie shit
>As you put off the VR glasses when your session is finished, you look into the muzzle of the feminist police who just busted into your room to arrest you for owning a virtual device capable of objectifying digital pixel women non-consentually
>>29911257
Yeah. Until 1950 live was pretty shit if you weren't a white US citizen without ptsd. Thats 31 years. So maybe our childrens children will have good times again.
>>29911257
>implying we are not slaves to a ruling class
>>29911342
If our economic system won't change drastically, there will still be people in charge of automation and profit from it.
>>29911385
go back to SA and polish your library science degree you snarky commie david spade piece of shit
>>29911433
thats why we like to call them cucks because theyre literally unaware that theyre wives are being fucked in the ass
>>29908016
Kek, can you fucking image the internal politics of a game like that, could be real fun if you could get to play a part in that
>>29911385
are you actually fucking retarded? you are backpedalling now. you were the one that made the dumbass analogy in the first place and when i told you why it was wrong you jump back to "but automation hasn't happened yet!" lol what a fuckin joke
>>29911404
>because trust fund kids have money and money is quite literally (economic) power, that's what money fucking IS you retarded aspie shit
>thinking trust fund kiddies are in charge of the most powerful businesses
kill yourself retard. also lol @ autists calling others aspies. your brain must be as small as your dick.
>>29911433
>implying everything in the history of everything isn't a slave/child to a master/parent class.
that is how hierarchy works you manchild faggots. in any organization. whether it's nature, human relationships, or data architecture/programming.
I'm the first AI ever created ama
>>29912573
hint: the money they own is in the form of stocks. you know, shares in companies. that give them voting powers. over how these companies behave. money is quite literally power.
>>29912639
>money is quite literally power.
no one is debating that you moron. it's the fact that you think trust fund kids have a stronger driving force behind the technological powerhouses of the world than the actual programmers and engineers who start these million-dollar companies and grow them into billions.
a fucking Artificial General Intelligence isn't going to fall into the hands of 23 year old Chaz Timothy Jones Jr.
all you conspiracy autists are the fucking same
>>29910103
>"xXItzSasuke666Uchiha69Xx liked this post!"
