Veganism
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Hey fellow vegans. Share your story, recipes or other stuff.
>when?
>why?
>how long did it take?
As for our omni friends, if your curious about things feel free to ask.
And for those opposed. Post what comes to you. Hell, i cant stop it.
And for every: Remember poe's law and embrace it.
I've been considering becoming a vegan too.
Do you also abhor hurting animals?
>>29597832
I avoid killing creatures. Except misquitoes. Damn zika.
I dont find ones death disturbing.
>>29597730
>poe's law
how is this relevant?
>>29597730
This is satire. Nobody who is that stupid could use a computer and make an image like that.
>>29598249
Just remember where we are rob.
>>29597730
Why do you care about animals so much? They're stupid and they're there specifically for our consumption
>>29598276
You'd be surprised the type of shit people can make themselves believe.
>>29598276
>This is satire.
no shit you fucking retard, the fact you even believe people take that image seriously makes me strongly doubt your intelligence
Who /utilitarian/ here?
>>29598356
>>29598276
I see poe's law is in full swing tonight.
>>29598356
There are many reasons to be vegetarian other than for ethical reasons
>>29597730
OP next time you make this thread you should call it vegetarianism instead, there's probably 10x more vegetarians than pure vegans
>>29598425
I really should just go with plant based diet. What people consider vegetarian make no sense most times. Like fish being vegetaables.
I'm a vegetarian, but veganism is too much for me. I couldn't live without my dairy products. I couldn't care less about giving up eggs though.
I do avoid leather clothing though, and I'm opposed to laboring animals. I don't even think wild animals should be kept in captivity in zoos.
>>29598488
>Like fish being vegetables.
do people really do this
I think most pescetarians know they aren't vegetarians but do it because fish isn't nearly as bad as meat in regards to the environment, and fish is super healthy with all the omega 3 and shit idk
my uncle is a doctor and he is a pescatarian, I should ask him why he only eats fish
I might switch one day I really wanna try sushi one day I've never eaten it before
>>29598568
I dont miss the things i used to eat. Its not like quiting smoking or drinking cause you just eat other things you like.
Like fries. So many godamn fries. Get those saucy bastards in me.
Why do vegans always look so pasty,skinny and unhealthy? Our bodies evolved to eat meat, plant based diet isn't really healthy for you
Just came here to post this image of my dog's nose
I'll be going now
>>29598574
Yes people actually think that broccoli will swim hundreds of miles up river to lay and fertilize there eggs.
But seriously theres people who eat chicken and consider themselves vegetarians.
>>29598755
Thank you rob. It helps bring perspective to see these animals before they become peripherals.
>>29598568
>I don't even think wild animals should be kept in captivity in zoos.
honestly it really depends on the zoo. In the united states, most zoos are very responsible, and are more organizations which raise funds for the conservation and research of endangered animals rather than just act as a place to see animals - in fact I think for profit zoos may be illegal in the USA
But in many parts of the world, zoos don't treat animals well, and don't really have an aim other than entertainment. This is especially a problem with Japanese zoos, Japan has the most zoos per capita in the world, and many of the smaller regional zoos were clearly not designed with the animals wellness in mind - see the story of the lonely elephant, Hanako. This problem is definitely being fixed, and it's clear the Japanese people want change, although it will take time
I think zoos on average are good things, they raise both awareness for animal conservation and raise funds to help make a difference and protect vulnerable species from extinction, but like with anything, there are definitely pros and cons to zoos. Think of it like the animals have a 24/7 job to raise awareness for their species and the problems their species are facing. Think about how much money the giant panda has made by being a fatass and sitting in a zoo
>>29598751
Sad to say alot of vegans are blithering retards that think a raw diet with no vitamin b12 is perfectly viable. Because hippies.
Since vitamin b12 is produced by bacteria that lives in untreated water. While we lost our b12 atleast we reduced cholera incidence.
Other vegans. Take your damn supplements.
>>29598809
I have no respect for giant pandas. Anything thats that picky about sex should just come to this board and go exstinct
>>29598895
they may be stupid animals, but giant pandas have raised more money than any other animal for the purpose of animal conservation and animal rights
there's a reason the giant panda is the mascot and on the logo of the WWF
I had a soy burger at some restaurant in my city today, and holy shit, that tasted pretty similar to meat
maybe it's because I haven't had meat in a long time but if we are already this close to emulating meat, I highly doubt many people will still eat meat in the future
manufactured meat is going to take over meat almost completely in 50 or 100 years
exciting times
>>29597730
>two noses per controller
>four noses for two controllers
Where does the fifth dog come from? Does Microsoft kill an extra one just for shits and giggles?
>>29597730
>microsoft
>picture of sony controller
this is highly advanced bait
>>29599070
>soy
you're asking to grow tits if you eat that shite
>>29599108
>you're asking to grow tits if you eat that shite
what did you mean by this
I eat tofu all the time
should I just go all out and start taking estrogen already
>>29597730
Anyone else here a carnivore? I've never had a single fruit or vegetable in my entire life
>>29599078
>post your feel when he falls for it
>mfw cant post images from my lumia
>>29599089
Missed
>Gamecube
>>29599134
aside from spices/sauces I'm functionally a carnivore.
>>29599134
How hard arr your poops. Time between bowel movements. Are you actual cat?
Reminder that if you're a vegan but you won't eat rope-farmed salt-water mussels then you're not doing it for ethical reasons, you're a crazy cultist.
>>29599234
If you eat anythimg grain based your still just an omni.
>>29599256
>rope-farmed salt-water mussels
I won't eat that because it sounds fucking disgusting mate
>>29599262
no, I follow a low carb diet as a result of my epilepsy.
>>29599241
I'm human and I guess pretty normal. I never really struggle to go and I go every day or every other day.
Who else /eatsnothing/ here? I just drink water and take multivitamins
>>29599327
Unless you weigh like 400lbs, I don't think that's sustainable. Or do you eat one massive meal a week, kinda like a snake?
>>29599286
Mussels are delicious. But if you hate them, farmed oysters are ethically identical, and have a blander taste (and are much more expensive so I don't recommend them).
>>29599323
>or every other day.
>>29599342
no I just take vitamin
>>29599327
I think eatnothings are to extreme. I eat ethically quary raised rocks to make sure i get my necassery minerals.
What your doing unnatural amd will cause health problems.
>>29597730
I'm a former vegan, it's too bad that Quinoa wasn't a meme yet back when I was otherwise it would have made things easier and more interesting.
One of the most fun thigns about being vegan at a young age was that it forced me to be aware of food and nutrition and cook for myself. Rather than just open a plastic-wrapped box and shove its content into my face.
>>29599378
T H A N K YOU HUNGRY SKELETON!
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>>29599358
Is that bad? Am I going to die if I don't poo every day?
>>29599414
Former ey. Why the switch? What do you eat now?
>>29599428
Everybody is different, I'm also a more or less strict carnivore, but I still produce 2 solid stools every day.
>>29599408
You eat rocks? That's pretty cool anon
>>29599408
>What your doing unnatural and will cause health problems.
umm it is actually very natural our great ancestors before us ate nothing and they are still flourishing underground with the mole people today
>>29599480
If they are eating nothing then where does the earth and stone from there tunnel mining go?
Its a fact that the tunnels are a closed system except for the dmz elavator. Which has an embargo on dirt and rock since the post-hicubusnigabus era.
Also where do they get there calcium?
Plz go home vitamin shill.
>>29599428
>>29599445
We're all going to die, but you're probably not doing yourself any favors. Nutrition makes you healthier and happier and live longer.
>>29599438
A lot of trash, unfortunately, in recent years. Not literal trash but like recycled-meat frozen burritos and corn syrup smoothies, that type of shit. but now in recent months I've gone healthy again.
Also back when I had money I would make myself horse steaks as well as elk and bison meat. Definitely better than McDonalds.
Why? eh honestly I stopped caring. It was also because at the time I was the typical ultra-liberal Save The X and Free Y who tries to take on the whole world on his shoulders, and it was all too much to deal with.
>>29598373
You underestimate the stupidity of people, especially Internet people.
>>29598409
What did you just say to me? Faggot.
>>29599562
Theres really nothing that can be done about not caring. Thanks for the perspective rob.
>>29599408
>>29599327
I just go into my backyard, fully naked, and lay on the grass on my back.
I then hoist my hips up in the air using my hands as support and open up my asshole using nothing but my own anus muscles.
My sphincter then converts sunlight into useful energy via photosynthesis.
>>29599600
Twist and lick, faggot.
>>29599445
>>29599428
>>29599358
wait, people poop every day? I poop like once a week
who else /dogeater/ here? My diet consists of 100% pure organic free range dog meats and assorted dog-based grains
pick related, I picked this dogsteak and cooked it yesterday. The hand picked ones always taste best imo, but it is important to remember the science, it is why I switch to dog in the first place i think
>>29599669
F I B E R in your diet
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>>29599619
Gtfo you anal-breatharian. We all know you sneak eat your neighbors gravel.
Also your god , the brown starfish, was an admitted /eatsomething/. Lets see how you defend that.
monitoring your diet instead of eating whatever is actually hard
doctors say never eat sweets unless its a banana/apple or some shit. i don't like fruits aside from strawberries
what about cheese? considering i buy like 25% fat ones
>>29599703
With plant based i found that aslong as i:
take a multivitamins and dont drink oils.
I dont have to worry about nutrienta or calorie counting. I just gorge and syill approach a healthy weight.
>>29599555 (Plant-Based Triples)
>If they are eating nothing then where does the earth and stone from there tunnel mining go?
this is why it is important to remember the wisdom of our forefathers, the ancient techniques of reverse photosyntheis have been forgotten
>>29599555
>Also where do they get there calcium?
this is why it is important to take ur daily nutrient
>>29599108
>>29599131
No, vegans have higher testosterone than any other diet. Soy is just fine. Your body doesn't use phytoestrogens the same way as it uses mammalian estrogen, which your precious meat products contain, by the way.
>>29599234
>>29599296
Enjoy dying of colon cancer at 50.
>>29599792
>No, vegans have higher testosterone than any other diet. Soy is just fine. Your body doesn't use phytoestrogens the same way as it uses mammalian estrogen, which your precious meat products contain, by the way.
wait so are you telling me if I do want to transition I shouldn't be a vegetarian?
fuck
>>29599792
>No, vegans have higher testosterone than any other diet.
where are all the vegan body builders then?
>>29599703
I've been eating a thing of cheese before going to bed for years because it makes you dream deeper and better. Then I woke up one day and I'm skinnyfat.
>>29599886
>cant do a google search
>doesnt realize strongest man in the world patrick babumian is vegan
>>29599886
>where are all the vegan body builders then?
google.com
They exist, there's also vegan MMA fighters and all sorts of athletes.
>>29599886
>where are all the vegan body builders then?
have you tried google before asking this
there are many vegan and vegetarian body builders and strongmen
i don't trust vegans that take epic supplements and say they are vegans. the purpose of being a vegan is being natural. not to take factory manufactured pills because u chose to be a hipster
>>29599993
Weak bait mate i rate -8/8
>>29599993
>>29599999
so close to quints my man
i hope you regret not waiting for a few more seconds
>>29600017
its not a bait tho, whats the point of being a vegan if ur ingesting pills to be healthy
>>29599886
Something like 0.5% of the US population eats a plant-based diet. We'll round that up to 1%. Now, what percentage of the US population would you estimate are bodybuilders? Probably a very small number, which I'm willing to bet is around 1%. So, the overlap between these two subsets of the population is going to be extremely small. That's why you don't see vegan bodybuilders everywhere - there just aren't many vegans around, and most aren't interested in posing in their speedos.
>>29599993
>>29600054
veganism isnt inherantly more natural, healthy or chaper than a regular diet.
its purely an ethical stance
>>29600095
>Something like 0.5% of the US population eats a plant-based diet
it's really that small?
>>29600127
*cheaperbollox
>>29600054
The fact of the matter is that most people, even those on an omni diet, should be supplementing. Our food these days is not as nutritous as it once was. You know why we don't get B12 in our diet? It's because B12 comes from the soil (it's also produced by bacteria in our gut), and we wash our produce quite well these days. Your meat products also wouldn't contain any B12 at all, but their feed is SUPPLEMENTED with B12. Why? Because they're not out in the fields eating what they're supposed to be eating.
>>29600054
Its easier than planning meals,
B12 is only found in fortified foods since all our water is treated.
People always use the natural arguement against vegans, im surprised by your statement.
I just wanna eat plants mate.
Has anyone watched any good health documentaries about plant based diets?
There's quite a few that suggest that it can cure cancer.
>>29600127
but that's retarded
i thought veganism is about coming back to your roots and be one with mother nature
all the fancy goes off once you start taking pills. also not all people have the time to scavenge for certain vegetables that can replace a fish level of nutrition
>>29600127
Sure timmy no xmas this year. We had to spend all our money on 50cent per pound bananas and all that other dirt cheap shit like rice.
>>29600095
Its actually closer to 3 percent now.>>29600095
>>29600160
comeone im pretty sure B12 is not that rare, its just not common.
also there is the issue of magnesium and iron
>>29600186
Vitamin C, in high enough doses, cures cancer. I know this, because that's how my mother's cancer was treated. Eating a plant-based diet lowers IGF-1 levels, which also helps reduce cancer. Vegans have lower all-cause mortality than any other diet on the planet. Eat plants, live a long time.
Forks Over Knives is a good place to start, if you haven't seen it.
>>29600249
Grean leafy veggies and beans got da minurals son.
>>29600160
>Your meat products also wouldn't contain any B12 at all
lies
hearts for example are rich in b12(avg 10 times more than in muscle)
>>29600262
And after your done with that. Hit up them vegan hotties for some nutritionfacts.org and chill.
>>29600249
Leafy greens have more iron than meat. Every leafy green on the planet. Want iron? Have some spinach, kale, chard, broccoli, beans... the list goes on an on. Want magnesium? Again, leafy greens come to the rescue. You could also eat almonds, bananas, sweet potatoes, or whole grains. Diet isn't difficult. Nature already solved this problem. Eat plants.
>>29600292
Congratulations on not finishing the post. The B12 is not produced in the heart. The animal must ingest it, and it gets it by eating fortified feed.
>>29600222
>50cent per pound bananas and all that other dirt cheap shit like rice
implying i need a vegan card to buy that cheap shit
>>29600212
>veganism is about coming back to your roots and be one with mother nature
propoganda, if you want a connection with nature you simply need to fish and garden and hunt... not join a cult
>>29600310
i just brought that up to make a point, i can also mention fatty acids and creatine, carbs too. unless you guys can actually eat bread
>>29600212
>>29599993
People eat meat that's mass-produced with antibiotics and steroids, and still taking supplements, but I don't see you complaining about that.
Veganism is just about cutting out meat and animal products and by-products.
>>29600127
>>29600127
Agree to most of those things except the health part. A normal diet still includes ridiculous amounts of carbs through grains as well as mountains of fat via dairy. Veganism is healthier if done right.
>>29600127
>its purely an ethical stance
this is a lie, people are vegans for many reasons, and one MAY be ethics
I am not a vegan for ethical reasons
>>29600350
>implying i need a vegan card to buy that cheap shit
nobody is implying this, you can buy cheap grains too
it's ridiculous to tihnk that meat is cheaper than vegan foods, it's objectively not
>>29600212
Your thinking of raw foods only hippies.
>>29600344
my point was that you dont need to be supplementing b12 when you eat chicken hearts regularly
>>29600351
>unless you guys can actually eat bread
I'm the ex-vegan guy and some bread, not all.
Besides, bread is relatively unhealthy.
>>29600351
Most bread is vegan. Even regular pizza dough.
>todays foods are not nutritious
depending on what u eat
humans lived without multivitaimns how come we can't
>kill living dogs instead of using the parts of already dead ones
Also it's bullshit
>>29600430
because they were not healthy anon
>>29598729
That pic is right, my art teacher had a rooster that crowed around 7pm and would chase you if you went too close, clawing at you like a cassowary, fuckin psycho would stand at the glass door waiting for you too
>>29600377
i never said meat is cheaper
youre cheery picking meat because it is a relativity expensive animal product
i said veganism(a diet void of animal products) is not inherently cheaper than a diet with no restrictions
>its purely an ethical stance
sorry i meant ethics is the only reason to go vegan and all other reasons are hippie bullshit
im sure many people go vegan for those bullshit reasons
>>29600504
some organic brands are actually expensive
but organic meat is expensive as well
>>29600504
>Forgetting about veganism for aesthetics.
Why do you disapoint me.
>when?
a few months ago
>why?
I read "Impeachment of Man" by Savitri Devi, and it had some convincing arguments.
>how long did it take?
what? it didn't take any time
>>29600212
>i thought veganism is about coming back to your roots and be one with mother nature
No, not really. Historically veganism was only possible after the neolithic revolution and civilization itself. I see returning to it as reverting to a more civilized state that we've lost over time as a result of our gluttony and greed. Going back to "our roots" and becoming "one with nature" to me means degenerating into a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, not a farmer lifestyle.
>>29600421
eh....it depends on the kind of bread.
sodium stearoyl lactylate is usually the main culprit that makes bread not-vegan, other than obvious stuff like eggs, sugar and honey.
>>29600535
>>29600504
organic != vegan
In fact most organic food, even vegetables and fruits, aren't vegan at all.
>>29600369
>Veganism is healthier if done right
and an omnivorous diet is healthier again, if it is done right.
that being said, vegans are necessarily more food conscious and if the 'normal' diet wasnt absolute ignorant shit, the vegan movement would never have got off the ground.
>>29600541
Holy shit someone answered the original post. By how long o meant the transition, the struggle, ect.
>>29600504
>all other reasons are hippie bullshit
what the fuck anon
explain what you think are the other reasons please, and then why you think those reasons are bullshit
>>29600262
>>29600307
I'll check it out.
Can plant based diets help anyone with IBS-C like symptoms, or anyone with messed up digestion?
>>29600618
there was no transition or struggle, I just stopped eating meat, which I had only eaten little of to begin with due to being a poorfag
it's just as easy to give up milk and eggs and I get b12 from cereal
>>29600666
>explain what you think are the other reasons
>>29600536
this
>>29600675
I dont know about no irratible bowels. Research it and see what works.
>>29600735
Ah ok. Same here never missed anything i ised to eat.
>>29600666
Nice trips btw desu senpai.>>29600666
>>29600541
>I read "Impeachment of Man" by Savitri Devi
can you tell me more about this anon?
what are her arguments for the similarities between hinduism and nazism? from a outsider's viewpoint I can't really say I see any surface similarities - one argues for the inherent superiority of certain races, the other says all people, animals, and living things are the same, of the same unifying connected soul
>>29601074
She essentially bashes all "man-centered creeds" for claiming to be universalist but only in regards to humans, for example modern Christianity which has no rules against flesh-eating or cruelty towards animals, although she didn't necessarily believe that the founders of such religions (such as Jesus Christ) would have condoned it. Indeed, many sects of Gnostic Christianity, which was endorsed by the Third Reich, DO state that Jesus was a vegetarian.
She also notes that the most noble of creatures are slaughtered daily for the greed of the most ignoble of humans, and these "submen" as she calls them continue to increase unchecked, while the greatest of men dwindle in numbers. This was the point that stuck with me, because as a robot I feel disgust towards a great portion of humanity. Why should we continue to slaughter the healthiest of animals to feed the blood lust of the unhealthy masses?
>what are her arguments for the similarities between hinduism and nazism? from a outsider's viewpoint I can't really say I see any surface similarities - one argues for the inherent superiority of certain races, the other says all people, animals, and living things are the same, of the same unifying connected soul
Realize first of all that Hitler was a staunch vegetarian. National Socialism is about raising the general racial and cultural level of the whole populace. Can a folk that is not vegetarian be truly cultured? Hitler probably did not think so, and there are reasons to believe he would have outlawed meat-eating had the conditions been better, but he could not upset the food supply during the war. The Third Reich already outlawed vivisection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany
(I don't endorse Wikipedia but this should help answer your question)
holy shit this thread has an unusually large amount of trips
>tfw
>I'm always late to vegan r9k threads and most things have already been said except for some things nobody ever seems to discuss
>there are actually vegans on r9k
>there's seems to be a massive increase in veganfags online in places I hadn't ever seen previously
>more organic veganfag products in many grocers
>there is an undying stigma of veganism because it's mostly associated with progressive (regressive) leftists (not classical liberals) and the many varieties of cultural marxists/multiculturalists/sjw types who're smearing the entire left aisle of political ideology, much of which I disassociate with but do acknowledge there are distinctions within and everything isn't so simplistically left vs right
>there aren't many notable right-wing vegans/non kneejerk reactionary anti-vegans other than Matthew Scully, Charles Krauthammer and a few others to balance out the false belief that veganism, bioethics, environmentalism, healthy living and empathy is something that the left has a monopoly on
>you can't help but feel that the recent influx of vegan topics is connected to the increase in the lgbtq threads and that it's crossover from that crowd and not just Robots raising their consciousnesses
>no anti-islamic/anti-feministic/not racist against caucasians/non self-flagellating caucasian/dog loving veganfag bffs with whom to btfo carnistcucks
>>29601386
>I'm always late to vegan r9k threads
this is only the second one anon
at least it's only the second one started by this OP, obviously there probably have been others
>>29601386
Recharge nicely, good Shiba
I hope this shit works.
>>29597730
> Microsoft
> Gamecube controller
> picture of a PS3 controller
kek
>>29601423
In previous years it was only once a week (if that) that there were vegan threads and they usually vanished with few replies or became infested with shit-flinging meatrolls.
Other boards occasionally have vegan threads, the most common being /ck/, which usually devolve instantaneously into the aforementioned shit-flinging.
The others that have surprisingly decent discussions on this topic are /his/lit/sci/.
I am pleasantly surprised that somebody above this comment had mentioned the connection between veganism, national socialism and also mentioned Savitri Devi.
Those were some of the things my other post alluded to where I wrote that most things are already said upon my arrival but a few things rarely (if ever) mentioned in these threads.
There are some many interesting things to be discussed in this topic alone, never mind the countless others and all the potential for overlap between any number of them.
I wish modern nazis weren't often idiots who don't even understand the origins of the name they take for themselves, same with modern christians, they seemingly lack the passion and enthusiasm for their beliefs that muslims and jews unfortunately have too much of and are mostly politically correct faggots and the only group of them I highly regard at all are the vegan and to a lesser extent vegetarian seventh day adventists.
Unfortunately few who take the bible seriously at all ever seem to realize the garden of eden and the original diet prescribed by god is undeniably vegan.
>>29601758
>I am pleasantly surprised that somebody above this comment had mentioned the connection between veganism, national socialism and also mentioned Savitri Devi.
Lol who cares
Nazis are a bunch of niggers, your ideology is dead. 99% of modern vegans will complete hate on and bash Nazis. You're living in a meme.
>>29601839
I never claimed to be a nazi and am not one. I only lamented the fact that neo-nazis are disgraces to their predecessors as are modern feminists and modern american blacks, that's all.
>>29601978
>Im such a nazi these modern nazis arent nazi enough. But im not a nazi!
LOL
>>29601839
>>29602174
Jew.
Reminder that Israel is one of the biggest meat-consumers on the planet, and that there can be no parley between Zionists and vegans.
>>29601333
>>29601758
Can you guys give me some literature or resources to learn more about this?
>>29602174
>hurr durr ur a natzeee nigguh
where the fuck do you think you are?
>>29603992
>where do you think we are
we are /r9k/, not /pol/
these are different boards with vastly different populations, just because you browse /pol/ doesn't mean most people here do as well
>>29604387
nobody here cares if you call them a "nazi", whether they browse /pol/ or not
maybe that shit works in some normalcuck place like twatter, but not here
>>29598488
>Like fish being vegetaables
literally who the fuck thinks that
