>its acceptable to wear this shirt in western society
Communist designs can be aesthetically pleasing but also they carry a bad message
No it isn't, anyone with half a brain will know you're a retard for wearing that shirt or supporting communism.
>>29570827
Implying the CCCP didn't have its own death camps for enemies of the state...yet if you wear a swastika, you get crucified nowadays because MUH HOLOCAUST
>its still acceptable to shitpost in western society
Oh the travesty of modern civilization
>its LITERALLY considered cool and edgy if you wear this shirt in western society
LOL what does CCCP even mean? Communism Communism Communism Piss??
There was a faggot at my high school who was very smart and fairly intellectual, yet he wore a hammer and sickle shirt around. I'm not even a conservative, but endorsing the actions of the Soviet Union is endorsing mass murder on a Holocaust tier scale, except so often completely fucking random and unorganized. I can understand how a fascist can say "Yeah, I don't give a fuck that they killed Jews, I hate Jews.", but you can't really say "Yeah, I totally hate all those Soviet staff who didn't actually do something except incite Stalin's paranoia, I'm glad they got killed." I don't understand how someone who was genuinely intelligent could be so fucking clueless.
>>29570939
It's a transliteration of the Cyrillic characters for USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Why wouldn't be acceptable to wear a shirt about codecs
No matter how smart you are wearing something like a Che Guevara shirt makes you look like a retard.
>>29570882
there difference in the average person's mind is that the soviet union is seen to be a nice idea gone wrong (everybody equal in a high-tech utopia) while nazism is seen as a bad idea that came to fruition (kill jews and acquire territory by war).
of course western society has been infiltrated by commies for decades
>tfw communist party allowed in your country
good thing they only get 200 votes max
never lived in soviet era Russia, but my friend says it was much better than it was today. plenty of free shit.
>>29571967
CAVI = Codecs Are Very Important
>>29572035
soviet union was a wrong idea gone wrong, nazism was an okay idea gone right until globalists fucked Hitler over
>>29572089
lmao your friend bullshitting you
>>29572089
free housing? fuck your friend might be right, but he sounds like a total bullshitter. if hes like 60 something than sure, but if hes any younger than 40, tell him to fuck off
>>29572101
>nazism was an okay idea
/pol/ detected, back to your containment board
>>29572035
From the beginning of the revolution, terrorizing the populace was endorsed by the Communists as a necessity of the system they were creating. They starting discriminating against the kulak's (basically any farmer who had any amount of wealth) from day one, and not handing over all of the grain you produced even if your family was starving was grounds for execution.
>>29570827
>he thinks he should be able to dictate how others dress.
kind of like the people that shirt represents, huh?
>>29572228
the urban population welcomed the harsh treatment of kulaks, however, because in the immediate aftermath of the civil war food was scarce and expensive, and the kulaks were seen as selfish hold-outs who threatened the lives of city dwellers. the communists were partisan on behalf of the urban proletariat against the landowning peasantry, which is why they came down on behalf of the cities in this dispute and exercised harsh measures against landowning peasants who would not comply. they finally achieved some compromise with Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP), but that was later overturned by Stalin when he pursued his policy of forced collectivization. it's a simplification to say they exorcised terror against "the" populace - what they did was intervene in favor of one section of the populace and against another.
>Wearing graphic tees of any description
>>29572364
I don't want to dictate how people dress at all, but it's retarded that people find countless things offensive, but apparently a hammer and sickle is totally innocent and okay.
>>29572206
Fuck off to facebook, normalshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHGxGPTsAI
GOSHA
RUB
CHIN
SKIY
>>29572406
>shirt representing hard industry and prosperous crops is bad
kys my guy
>>29572434
>shirt representing killing millions of people because "OH MY GOD TROTSKY EXISTS EVERYONE IS A SECRET TROTSKYITE WE NEED TO KILL EVERYONE"
Kill urself my mane
>>29572474
>thinking a symbol can only mean one thing and is not open to idealist and objective interpretation by different individuals
ensure that your heart stops beating soon my dude
>>29572419
nazism is quintessential the normalshit ideology, summer
>>29572500
>objective interpretation
>by different individuals
You wot?
I would wear that shirt. Mostly from a love of Red Alert 2 and general Ivan memery, and also purchasing a mass produced piece of clothing to cultivate cheap irony at the expense of their failed attempt at government feels deliciously like I'm dancing on the party's collective graves.
starting to thing the 'bug is right
don't like these strange new vistas, mang
>>29570827
I think the Combined Community Codec Pack is pretty gud.
>>29572406
>it's retarded that people find countless things offensive
he says as he finds a shirt offensive.
I want to buy a Rock Against Communism shirt because HATE COMMIES but I'm afraid I'll get in trouble for having it.
>>29572585
>but I'm afraid I'll get in trouble for having it.
You will, the west is full of cucks
>>29572585
>>29572591
samefagoriginal fuck off back to ur highschool
>>29572749
>samefag
Wrong, fucking faggot
>>29570827
> can be a commie on campus but wearing this even ironically will get you b&
>>29572768
>Wrong, fucking faggot
it took you a whole 50 seconds to post that
vs 30 seconds
the extra 20 were for reading and thinking up such a witty retortserious get the fuck off this board little boy
>>29572822
You sound autistic af
>>29570827
Anytime I see this sycle with hammer and cccp I think of this
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xH90r_gHY28
>Its offensive, so they shouldn't be allowed to wear it!
LITERALLY tumblr tier thinking and doesn't appreciate freedom
>>29573020
>m-muh freedumb!
kek
>>29573035
Sounds like you want a personal hugbox were your feelings dont get hurt and you dont hear about different opinions. Maybe you should try communism
What's even more sad is that there will always be retards to blow this shit out of proportion. Teenagers rebel. They endorse political shit they know nothing about because it makes them look edgy. This is by no means a new phenomenon.
But sure, let's all succumb to moral panic and rally up a lynch mob because some high-schooler is running around in a Che Guevara t-shirt. That makes perfect sense.
>>29572574
I don't think the shirt is offensive, I think it's stupid.
>>29573065
>Maybe you should try communism
yuck!
>>29573113
You're allowed to call stupid kids stupid kids
t. stupid kid
>>29570939
Lmao, good one faglord the 3rd
>>29573113
You mean like everyone does with nazi swastika shirts?
>>29573020
Do you support Nazi, confederate and South African apartheid era shirts? If not, shut up lefty hypocrite. America fought a decades-long year war against that shitty soviet union, and now it is deemed acceptible to wear this piece of shit on campus.
BTW, Stalin was not a rainbow coalition hippie. He killed Jews and many other minorities in his purges.
>>29570827
yeah. just don't wear it in eastern europe. you will be killed. except in russia, maybe.
>>29573180
>You're defending the right to wear stupid shit, so you're defending the stupid shit itself!
Please off yourself for being brain dead retarded
>>29570827
the socialist collectivist fascists authoritarians have to be stopped at all costs
they don't even realize what that symbol means
>>29573223
>20 million
hmm
>>29573223
None of those were socialists, they were all fascists.
>>29573180
there is nothing wrong with killing any minority group if it is a furtherance of communism
>>29573255
Most of that number is Russians and Eastern Europeans. The SS just wandered around purging everyone they found to clear up Lebensraum.
>>29573214
No, I'm saying if Commie shirts should be allowed, Nazi and Confederate shirts should be allowed. The Cold War was more than just high level espionage. Thousands of third world humans died during it. The USSR regime itself killed or gulaged tens of millions of people.
>>29573150
>You mean like everyone does with nazi swastika shirts?
Oh, please. Don't act like you're uniquely persecuted. Schools, malls and other institutions (public or private) ban ideological displays of every nature. Some even ban t-shirts or other items that endorse LGBT rights, especially here in the South.
http://www.westword.com/news/wearing-yes-we-cannabis-t-shirt-leads-to-1-year-ban-from-aurora-mall-5836361
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Gay-OK-Shirts-Not-Allowed-at-McKinney-Middle-School-306086971.html
>>29573333
You're right, they should be allowed. So we agree with each other
>>29573296
As someone who leans towards some socialist theory, they were all socialists.
>>29573309
Does communism accept pedos? I was libertarian before but I'd be willing to convert.
>>29573309
Communism is shit. Humans value individual accomplishment as a rule. That's why so many flock to America and very few flocked to the USSR to become commies.
>>29573357
libertarianism is the only ideology that has pedo acceptance, the statists would kill you
>>29573362
none of what you have described is inconsistent with communism:
>However, Marxism rejected egalitarianism in the sense of greater equality between classes, clearly distinguishing it from the socialist notion of the abolition of classes based on the division between workers and owners of productive property. Marx's view of classlessness was not the subordination of society to a universal interest (such as a universal notion of "equality"), but was about the creation of the conditions that would enable individuals to pursue their true interests and desires. Thus, Marx's notion of communist society is radically individualistic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism#Marxism
>>29573392
Yeah, statists only believe in raping the minds of young in re-education camps and forced education.
>>29573421
yes, what a disaster that the state provided education instead of placing them on assembly lines to produce more capital for chadipalists
>>29573180
>Do you support Nazi, confederate and South African apartheid era shirts?
Not the anon you're replying to, but I don't give a shit what anyone wears. If you want to announce to the world you're a jackass, be my guest.
And I'm pretty sure you are at liberty to do so. Now, private property rights are another matter entirely. If you waltz into a mall holding a swastika banner, the mall owner is well within their right to make you leave their property. Is that an encroachment upon your freedom of expression? No, not really. The same logic applies to you with regard to your own property. If you don't want a bunch of Tumblrites parading on your front lawn shouting anti-cis slogans, you're well within your right to have them removed.
>If not, shut up lefty hypocrite
The irony. If /pol/ had its way, we'd all be living under an Orwellian regime that mandates far-right ideologies and ships minorities off to death camps.
>>29573438
Or maybe we could go back to tribal times and let children be raised by their family and relatives. With the internet databases available to anyone, compulsory schooling is becoming more and more of a statist scam.
>>29573451
I love how /pol/ and associated boards where they have a heavy presence does every single thing they can do to make modern leftists seem totalitarian. It gets pretty impressive, they're good at mental gymnastics.
>want to get pic rel but worried I'll get beaten up, screamed at, or lose my job
>people can wear commie shirts with no repercussions
>>29573451
This is why anarcho-capitalism is objectively the best ideology. It emphasizes free minds, free markets, and individualism.
Collectivism = Totalitarianism
>>29573508
>implying you would get beaten up or lose your job
See
>>29573487
I won't deny you could get yelled at, but people get yelled at for a lot of things.
>>29573518
>propertarianism
>>29573487
I think both Nazis and Commies were statists with very similar methods. You are the guys buying into the left and right paradigm and believing that commies are any different from nazis. BTW, have you noticed how white Moscow and East Berlin were when the walls fell? Now crapitalists are pushing for immigration in every country.
>>29570827
What's wrong with liking CCCP? It's pretty handy codec pack.
>>29572749
Just wanted to exonerate my fellow here.
You need to fuck off back to whatever red land you came from pinko.
>>29573438
Why should they provide either? State run education is worthless, noone learns anything from it. Just give them a computer and Internet access at home. Much cheaper and they'll learn much more.
>>29573487
I don't think any effort is needed to make the modern left appear totalitarian. If you're ideas are so good they need laws and gunmen men with guns to bring about they really aren't that great after all.
>mfw I got a Swasticka shirt off my Skinhead friend
>mfw I sometimes wear it
>mfw people think i'm some hardcore neo Nazi
>mfw i'm just a fedora Neet and any of those people could kick my ass if they tried
>>29573601
I never said communists are very different from Nazi's. Both Nazism and Communism were in many ways leftist ideologies, though Nazism wore a faux-traditionalist costume a lot of the time. I'm saying that in most cases neo-liberals aren't totalitarians. Your example is pretty pathetic, allowing immigration is comically far from totalitarianism.
>>29573685
>laws and police forces are totalitarian
And yet I'm guessing you aren't an anarchist, you just magically think that conservatism would make those things okay.
>>29573685
>modern left
>"I saw this sheboon on Tumblr make a retarded political statement, therefore this is what millions of liberals actually believe!"
You're a fucking idiot. Please don't ever vote.
I'm Canadian and I have a CCCP hockey jersey that I like to wear for games of shinny. I respect the dedication of that team and the hardships they had to go through and how they managed to make it to the western world and put up one of the best games played at the time. not many people here know what it means though because they're all braindead hicks.
>>29573713
Allowing it isn't totalitarianism, but forcing people out of their ancestral towns to allow for more refugee living spaces is statist. Crapitalists value work force more than anything. They don't care about race or how united anyone is. Having more ethnicities in the pot just gives them more products to sell.
>>29573792
Show me actua examples of people being forcibly ejected to make space for refugees.
>>29573811
Are you even following the news in Europe?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-refugee-riot-puts-a-german-town-on-edge/2015/10/01/fa9075bc-65f5-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/23/world/europe/germany-immigration-refugees-asylum-integration.html?_r=0
What I'd really like to understand is the fascination that college kids have with communism. It's like 13 year old girls fawning upon shitty boy bands.
>>29573333
So did US backed regimes and US imperialist wars but you can walk around in cloaked in the symbolism of the world's most brutal empire and no one will say shit.
>>29573878
Their liberal arts professors like it, and tell them about all the great scholars and works behind the iron curtain to which their imperialist oppressors forbade them access.
>>29573878
>What I'd really like to understand is the fascination that college kids have with communism
They want seem progressive and edgy at the same time
>>29573508
Does having such a victim complex ever exhaust you?
>>29573935
I would hope you could wear American symbols in the United States of America. It would look stupid in Canada, Russia or Western Europe.
>>29570827
I use Combined Community Codec Pack every single day, why wouldn't I promote them!
>>29573860
What I see here is not a single case of the state forcing people out of their ancestral towns. Did you actually read those articles, or are you just retarded/insane enough to twist them to your own logic?
>>29573935
Why are Americans and Brits called imperialists by commies when the USSR expanded the already vast Russian empire with more provinces?
>>29573935
>the world's most brutal empire
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look, you're allowed to hate the US, it's imperialism, and it's puppet states, and I'm not denying they've done horrible things, but if you can't see the ludicrousy in your claim, you need to stop talking about politics.
>>29574022
Because anything done by the communist state is revolutionary and good, and anything done by any of their enemies is reactionary and bad.
>>29573878
Hint: Nobody likes their bosses and lots of people would like to live in a society without them. You pseudo-edgy pricks are so brainwashed that you actually think you've developed a counter-culture when you're all actually dedicated to an ideology that's meant to serve the interests of your masters. Enjoy being a good well-behaved little wage slave, you tell them commies!
>>29574009
They force violent and radical soldier-aged male "refugees" into the town, which will be requiring shariah law for the town in only a matter of time. There are videos of gangs of Muslim youth going after white Germans. They know they are invading but Euro fuck politicians and enablers either don't know or do and don't care.
>>29570939
Nah, it's obviously Combined Community Codec Pack :^)
>>29574022
>USSR
>communism
Read a book you brainwashed faggot.
>>29574057
Not of all time, but during the cold war? Sure. Well, you could argue whether US or USSR are more brutal but it's a toss up. I'd say US was more militarily agressive while USSR was more brutal towards its own population.
>>29574103
I'm not even going to argue with your /pol/ tier nonsense. You're going to take that as a victory, and that's fine. But know that I'm considering this a victory too, through not engaging in an argument with an easily swayed moron.
>>29574155
America's body count is much lower than other comparable examples of empires.
>>29574124
So the Russian hammer and sickle, which was the symbol of the USSR, is a symbol of communism, but the USSR was not communist even though it was run by the Communist party? Do I have this right? How were Marx's social theories and Communist Manifesto not a factor in the formation of the Bolshevik Soviet Union?
I've been reading this from internet Marxists for years.
> muh State Capitalism.
> communism has never been tried bro.
> pass the bong I need a hit so I can study my for my polisci final.
>>29574172
I said not of all time you patriot-cuck.
>>29574157
Syrian war refugees are an invasion, and German politicians rub it in their citizen's faces. What's there not to get about it?
>>29574157
So what do you think is going in the EU right now? It looks like some disastrous lovechild of Capitalism, Social Marxism, and Soviet style dictatorship.
Ok, I honestly wonder. How many of you actually read Capital? I have the feeling most of you are (if not all) most of you make your claims based upon secondary or tertiary sources
>>29574269
Nigger you have no clue what communism is. It's funny how both liberals and Leninists operate under the lie that the DotP is socialism. Both Western and Eastern bloc propaganda systems dedicated themselves to convincing people that the system in USSR was socialism/communism. You would know this isn't true if you pulled your head out of your ass and actually looked at what the concept of communism is. You won't because of ideology but I'll try to make it simple enough for a poor indoctrinated fool to understand.
>class structure=not communism
>state/government=not communism
>wage labor=not communism
>money=not communism
>workers not owning the means of production=not socialism.
But liberal and Communist Party propaganda contradict this so you'll choose to ignore this because your benevolent masters say so.
>>29574368
Just volume one is enough.
>>29574368
No shit.
>communism is bad because my dad told me so
>communism is bad because my high school history teacher told me so
>>29574271
I'm not even a patriot, I'd be happy if my state seceded, I'm just saying you're taking a reasonable dislike of American imperialism and ruining it with false logic.
>>29574368
I have. But this thread is mostly arguing about Soviet communism, which is distinct from true Marxism, so I don't find Capital particularly relevant. And we're also not talking about economics, which is Capital's focal point.
>>29574390
So at what point does a Communist party defining their policies as Communist in the largest and one of the most populous countries in the world lose the right to define the doctrine which they brought into actual existence?
>>29574440
I know, it's not relevant to the thread per se. I was just wondering. I have the feeling that 90% of all the discussions involving communism on the internet could've been avoided if people would've just read his bloody books.
>>29570923
Considered cool by giant faggots and hipsters, maybe. Everyone else just rolls their eyes if they even notice at all
>>29574523
Why do you feel the need to curse with faggot?
>>29574505
I think the thing is that there's a world of difference between pre-Soviet theoretical communism and post-Soviet Russian controlled communism. The international was completely controlled by the Russians. It was more pro-Russia than pro-Communism.
>>29574564
This is 4chan, faggot is practically just a stand in for "person". Do you not remember when -fag was used freely as a suffix here?
>>29574596
I agree and it's the main source of frustration (for 'both' sides) in this discussion. It's a real shame what happened with the Russian revolution. Because I ultimately believe that quite a few ideas of communism hold a real merit for quite a portion of the general population. (be that as it may, I also recognize it's tendency to authoritarianism, which is a real issue with communism.)
>>29574428
> National Socialism is bad because my professor told me
> National Socialism because movies told me
> National Socialism because my high school holocaust survivor speech giver told me
National Socialism actually had more economic stability and technological progress than the Soviet Union, and it did so with a huge war with all the world super powers of the time on its ass. The Soviet Union had 70 years and spent most of it focused on space travel and military while leaving other areas of the planned economy neglected. It fell apart because of the one-dimensional focus. Nazis fell apart because they were outpowered in military force.
