Is MGTOW the start of the beta uprising?
MGTOW is sour grapes: the movement
Women don't care if you go your own way. They don't care about you because they only care about Chad.
MGTOW is an alt-right diversion which blames women for the work of themerchants
>That's right good goyim don't reproduce.
>Leave the girls to Tyrone.
>More money to spend on yourself
It's so weird how this board worships NEET culture but shits on MGTOW.
Face it: NEETdom and MGTOW are very much the same thing. They're both about checking out of society and living life for yourself. Yet /r9k/ loves one and hates the other.
>>28903014
r9k will just shit on everything that is popular to look cult
MGTOW are just a bunch of spergs who think they're euphoric for just being bachelors
>>28903000
Couldn't have anything to do with the shit deal that is modern dating and marriage...
yep. and it's already having an effect, all the feminazi papers constantly publish articles about the lack of men willing to marry, have kids, etc (of course blaming men for this, but increasingly women are finding that bs harder to swallow)
>>28903014
MGTOW are bitter failed normies
neets are life's rebels living life on the edge
I'm mgtow. I just don't put in any effort anymore and I guess that's just the definition of one.
The betas won't uprise though. Our place in society is not wanted just needed. We will continue going our own way until women start initiating more the closer they get to the wall. It's not a bad deal, just men as a whole are becoming more selfish and that does hurt society a bit I guess. I like to think mgtow is just a more frugal way to live. Cheaper to not go on lots of dates, pay a large bar tab clubbing, no weddings, or even gifts given. Nope, women will have to work now for their own material possessions. They will have to work full time and be the primary caregiver to their children.
But I suppose there's little to no spice to my life without relationship drama. Only thing worth pursuing is selfish things like a larger bank/investment account, perfecting my body, or finishing off my ideal man cave.
>>28902905
>MGTOW
>movement
check the dictionary, faggot
>>28902921
the alt-right hates MGTOW because they're pussy worshipping cucks, nothing more
>>28903000
>implying MGTOW doesn't hurt merchants' profits and makes them anti-MGTOW in the process
>>28903014
because most of these NEETs are incels
>>28903041
lots in MGTOW aren't bachelors, they've been divorce raped by roasties... check out Messenger Rising to gain some insight
>>28903066
me neither, brother
>>28903110
one tradcuck bitch even managed to blame us for the (already debunked) gender pay gap...
>>28903123
>being a millionaire and having all that money to yourself
>failed
sure thing bro, keep telling that to yourself
>>28902905
doesn't matter if they care
for me it is really about giving up playing a rigged game
>>28903151
I mostly agree, but I doubt I'll ever go back to the plantation. Some sex is good but not worth living with a roastie, and I hate children too much (annoyingly loud and smelly) to ever have one. MGTOW4LIFE
>>28903155
>doesn't matter if they care
this too
>>28903154
i checked the dictionary and it told me to tell you to eat bowel movements
I love how there is so much backlash against MGTOW.
Roasties, if MGTOW are such losers then why the venom? You don't want to date them anyway.
And men, why do you care about competition eliminating itself?
>>28902905
The whole point of MGTOW is to not give a fuck what women think. So what if they want Chad, they can have him, l'll rather stick with my money and prostitutes.
>>28902756
it's mostly just cuz women don't wash dey cunts so dey cunts stink like doo doos yo
>>28903154
Euphoric MGTOW detected
>>28903225
y so butthurt
>>28903243
indeed, the irony of this is so fucking kek
>>28903268
yep. and not getting divorce raped is a huge plus too
>>28903310
Buttmad roastie or wannabe beta provider detected.
>>28903324
Go your own way, and die childless and alone.
End your lineage because DUH EBUL ROASTIES DON'T BUNT 2 DAYTEE MEEEEE WAAAH WAAAH
Manchild.
>>28903406
ok l will.
So go on to "be a real man" procreate and #givewomenyourmoney like the alpha male you are
:^)
>>28903243
the women are buttmad because it means less betas to marry and divorce rape, and the beta men are mad because being a cuck has been so drilled into their heads, they refuse to believe there's another option
>>28903406
nice spergout there. do you by chance have long hair? maybe wear a fedora from time to time? live with your mummy/dada?
>>28903406
>What are surrogate mothers
aka: how to have a kid and still go your own way with said kid
>>28902756
mgtow are a bunch of butthurt faggots that will make real loners look worse than we already do.
>>28903321
i'm not butthurt. i'm telling you what i saw in the dictionary.
>>28903406
>die alone
you can't prevent that either way you stupid cuck... the only way not to die alone is by hiring someone to be there
>muh lineage
fuck off back to >>>/pol/ we don't care about shit like that here...
>>28903442
>>28903457
savage
>>28903463
this. and when we finally have artificial wombs and eggs we won't need roasties anymore... we'll move to another planet and that will be male only
>>28903472
you're the one that seems butthurt here...
>>28903478
sure, of course you're not :) LOL
i made a butt fart and it accidentally got into my pussy and i didn't have time to pump it out before my date and my date was eating me out and my butt fart escaped my pussy and i said it was a pussy fart but it was a butt fart and i think he knew it was a butt fart because it got in his face and he could smell that it was a butt fart not a pussy fart so i don't blame MGTOW i would too if pussies farted butt farts into my face
>>28903472
t. betalord who just posted his millionth tfwnogf thread
#reallonerpride
>>28903515
not butthurt, just don't want everyone to start thinking that actual real loners are some whiny gay dudes that are butthurt that a woman hurt them.
>>28903539
being so paranoid about being perceived as butthurt = butthurt
>hurr hurr I'm going to completely change my life and overrule biological imperitives and human nature...based on inaccurate stereotypes and caricatures
>n-nah bro you don't get it, I'm just being myself!
Utterly tragic.
>>28903519
29th post best post
post orignialoios
>>28903539
>please don't hate me m'lady, I'm one of the good ones.
t. classic white knight
>>28903515
you're sentient trash bro
>>28903539
got anything better than decade-old shaming tactics? https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
>>28903524
>>28903584
kek
>>28903519
wat
>>28903577
tell that to newton, tesla or da vinci
>>28903586
go back to plebbit if you want to be a good mangina and stay there whiteknighting roasties
>>28903123
you mean the edge of their seat, of their cholesterol level?
>>28903442
I will. Enjoy your miserable existence, pathetic cuck
>>28903457
That's rich coming from an "MGTOW"
I remember watching a video of MGTOWs and they were all ugly/cringy/spergy
>>28903463
And what if you have a daughter?
>>28903515
Kike goy slave cucks like you will be the end of the white race
Kill yourself, pussy manchild kike slave subhuman cunt
>>28903635
>implying you will be raising your genes and not Chad's, Tyrone's, or Jose's
tip top cuck m8
>>28903635
you remember watching a video? lol WOOW, good job! you must be the best rememberer in the world if you remember watching a VIDEO! fuck off you gay cocksucker. remember the you-homo.
>>28903635
Normally, you can choose your kid's gender in surrogacy but it wouldn't matter much to me
>>28902905
why don't feminist leaves us alone then if they hate men so much and call us pigs. they should be happy that men are going their own way instead of attacking us.
The true meaning of mgtow changed so much. It used to be just men going thier own way literally and not a redpill 2.0. It used to be just not giving a fuck and not being controlled by society's expectation of men. I think mgtow should just shut the fuck up and literally just go thier own way.
>>28903696
>I think mgtow should just shut the fuck up and literally just go thier own way.
Or you could just not listen to or comment on them...
i've got a hot girlfriend who buys me stuff all the time and drives me around places. we fuck every night. you guys are just doing it wrong.
>>28903667
Stir the pot, kike
Your heads will roll soon
>>28903675
As I said: you're cringy and ugly.
>>28903688
How would you raise your daughter then?
>>28903694
What a little pussy you are. Oh, no!! The ebul feminists!! Get a grip and grow up. Find a nice white girl and make as many babies as you can. MGTOW is not the way to go.
>>28903719
>who buys me stuff all the time and drives me around places
She's going to, at the very least, cheat on you with Chad. Sorry m8.
its pathetic as fuck
patheticblox
>>28903632
the edge between god and beast
>>28903737
lol, and honestly why should I give a fuck? like I said, we fuck every night and spend every day together. if shes cheating on me with chad then chad is a premature ejaculator because he literally has no time to fuck her.
>>28903734
As if I would have my son...
And transition would be a lesser evil desu
>>28903734
>Find a nice white girl and make as many babies as you can.
Mindless breeder.
>>28903635
>miserable because I can do anything I want
>not miserable when slaving for an ungrateful roastie under the constant threat of divorce rape
you're pretty delusional, just like all blue pillers
>ugly MGTOW in video
you mean ugly MRA pretending to be MGTOW because we don't show our faces for fear of getting killed by white knights
>daughter
you can chose gender and many other things
>muh white race
if you pseudonazis were any smart you'd spread MGTOW among non-whites, but you're actually dumber than a dog
>>28903694
seems like their "narrative" is crumbling, eh?
>>28903696
stop lying
>>28903719
so? you can have that while being MGTOW as well
>>28903734
you're worse than radical muslims m8
>daughter
into the trash she goes
>>28903769
because she's trying to b8 you into commitment, then the sex will be rare and shitty
>>28903797
literally a gypsy, only white
This thread is real gold
>>28903719
enjoy while it lasts, you will get cucked soon
>>28903734
>hurr durr it's all da joos
oh no, a fucktarded troll cuck on 4chan has discovered our secrets! I must go to synagogue at once and call another world conquest planning meeting
>>28903734
>How would you raise your daughter then?
your strawman of mgtow just being total woman haters does simply not reflect reality, dude
Just because we're disillusoined about gender relations doesn't mean we can't have female relatives, friends or even children.
>>28903734
>Your heads will roll soon
Nothing will happen to him. You fantasists will die leaving no mark on the world, not even the mark of mindless violence you dream of.
>>28903014
>women
>retarded incels who unironically believe in unicorns
>/pol/tards who think I care about their race baiting
>failed normies
All browse this board. It's not so weird when you think about it.
>>28902756
lol no, it's just stupid demagogue bullshit that sn't going to help anybody
>>28903817
>implying kikes aren't behind racemixing in media in the western world, leftist politics and immigrations
I hope your liver fails, you alcoholic kike piece of shit
>>28903817
not every girl is an evil conniving feminist sow. Find a girl into black metal and norse paganism. Red-pilled as fuck.
>>28903000
Thanks for the advice old Shlomo, I'll do just that
>>28903955
Metalhead girls are crazy and slutty. They make shit-tier gfs.
>>28903154
>implying MGTOW doesn't hurt merchants' profits and makes them anti-MGTOW in the process
MGTOW was literally invented by YouTube to sell Doritos and Mountian Dew
>>28903955
>date someone who believes in retarded religious shit
>>28903970
somehow I think you'd think every girl is slutty no matter her interests.
>>28902756
I used to frequent the mgtow forum, and it did give me some good advice, like to not take shit from women just because I am single and looking, since it will just backfire. But I think any ideology as this one is never a genuine way to self expression, because the traditional circlejerk and limitation.
>>28903993
Clearly you've never dated metalhead girls
R9K proving yet again why they're a low IQ board:
>made up of lonely guys with no social lives who have never seen women interested in them and probably never will because they're ugly, awkward and not rich
>continue making threads about how horrible, shallow, stupid and evil women are
>hate MGTOW for some reason
Literally Stockholm Syndrome: the board
You keep being disappointed by all the women you meet, but you still keep clinging to them and keep wishing that you'd get one interested in you even if you know it's not going to happen.
This will only lead to frustration and you know it, you have to forget about the ones that never really gave a fuck about you, just find something else.
>>28903955
the trouble is, women have so much more social power. sure, not all women set out to rob, extort, or falsely accuse men, but the fact that they have the power to makes them hard to trust. it's the same reason people dislike the police
>>28904028
>the fact that they have the power to makes them hard to trust.
And slimy kikes like you
I want to be MGTOW, but as a kissless virgin, it's going to be hard. I want a woman, I want companionship.
I know you can have it and still be MGTOW, I just hope I don't fall so in love that I let her run me. I was never planning on getting married though, but if she wants kids, will I have the fortitude to gtfo?
Also, as usual people don't understand what MGTOW is. The only real tenet I've even come across that's required is "don't get married". Which in western society is just common sense for any man. Don't be a slave, that's it.
I keep seeing people misunderstand things like MGTOW and Stirner. Why? It's just a way of being yourself, not bowing to anyone else, at least not anymore than you have to. I understand why women may not like it but fellow robots should be more sympathetic.
>>28904027
>continue making threads about how horrible, shallow, stupid and evil women are
vocal minority
i no longer care about women
>>28903876
pretty much
>>28903907
really? how about the guys who won't get divorce raped thanks to us? how about the homeless guys the Mayor of MGTOWn and others help to make a difference? also, did you know that most homeless guys have been divorce raped and have nowhere to go thanks to an ungrateful roastie?
>>28903935
cultural marxists just take advantage of female nature, right after women and white knights (voting majority) gave them power willingly and continue to do so
>>28903955
LOLOLOLOL metal girls are even worse than normal roasties. I've been black metaller for a decade now, and I know I'd never go for a female metalhead. no. fucking. way.
>>28903982
kek
>>28904027
incels are like this everywhere
>>28904028
I'm a europoor and will trust the police far before roasties
>>28904088
fuck an escort or two to get the itch out of your system. also, your horniness will decline with age. otherwise you're spot on.
>>28902756
MGTOW in a nutshell: pic related
>>28904124
Which is the only logical answer.
There's literally no reason to keep clinging to a group of people that have forsaken you.
Even worse when you hate that group of people, but still wish they would one day accept you.
>>28904088
>I want a woman
>I want companionship
Pick one, you fucking retard. Women are the worst companions you could find, unless you are interested in discussing trivial topics, being swallow, doing mundane activities and being exposed to retarded drama.
>>28904088
l think love is actually a very desirable drug trip.
You should just be sure about who you are and what you want. As long as being with her isn't breaking your principles (and those should closely allign with the mgtow philosophy) there's no problem with being in love.
>>28904217
>MGTOW
>no longer care about women
if you no longer cared about women you wouldn't be mgtow you'd be hermits aka people who have existed since the dawn of time
>>28904251
HAHA YOU WANT A MALE COMPANION
YOU ARE A FAGGOT
A HOMO FAGGOT
HAHAHAHAHA ONE MALE COMPANION FOR THE HOMO FAGGOT PLEASE! PLEASE GIVE A MALE SEX COMPANION TO THIS THIRSTY FAG >>28904251
FAGGOT>>28904251
FAGGOT>>28904251
>>28902756
It's alpha uprising.
MGTOW can't be properly understood by people who have craved female attention in vain for all their life and still consider women as a path of redemption. MGTOW is recognizing the reality of the modern sexual marketplace and living in accordance to one's core belief. Also if you're 20 you can't be MGTOW because your libido overrides anything you think about the world.
You can tell being MGTOW is just a manifestation of incel bitterness. Its not that they reject women, it's that they can't get women.
Rather than see it as their own failing and improve themselves, they blame the world/society like fucking children and ad hoc post-rationalise not wanting what they can't have anyway.
Of course all women are succubi/sluts/whores, it can't be that rejected men have any faults.
MGTOW aren't fighting for this, they are throwing this away with the bathwater
they are voluntary cuckolds, white women will just get seeded by big black guys and have the government raise taxes for more welfare
>>28903696
>mgtow should just shut the fuck up and literally just go thier own way.
but else do we safe the rest of the men from committing suicide from divorce or getting baby jail because they fail to pay child support.
>>28904326
Even if we improve ourselves we will not be able to get women that Chad can get(not without paying anyways and even that is not guarranteed). It's not fair. So MGTOWs don't want to play this rigged game.
>>28904297
>>28904326
https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/ be more creative
>>28904329
not our problem
>>28904334
indeed! this also shows how society doesn't care about men at all...
>>28904347
incels can't be MGTOW sorry
>>28904297
Or just get a friend, you retarded fuck. You don't have to fuck every person that you sometime spend your time with, you also don't need to be around that person all the time.
Put down the crack pipe for a few minutes before your next reply.
>>28903719
nice fantasy story the truth is that you want us to be miserable like you with a nagging gf and have time for friends/hobbies.
>>28904326
>I have such a tiny imagination that I can't imagine men who can get sex not having sex.
>>28902756
MGTOW can also be interpreted as Christian - in the new testament it is said that a man shall not seek women - that is don't put women in place of God (as most of western society does). MGTOW can be aligned with that.
>>28904369
all mgtow are incels though. take a shower your problems might go away.
>>28904160
I'm already 27 and still eager. Probably will do the escort thing but a gf would be nice.
>>28904251
I have a female friend online and she's ok to talk to. Granted a woman will probably not be as interesting as a man to talk to, but a gf can give you hugs and stuff and that feels good.
>>28904287
Yeah I'm hoping I can do this. I know I'm inexperienced though, so if I fall in love I might let it take over me. It's a chance I'm willing to take though, but the danger is real.
>>28904369
>incels can't be MGTOW sorry
So men who can't get women because they are inferior are just fucked? And people are still surprised there are mass shootings?
>>28904347
Getting the women that chad has would improve your life exactly 0%.
>>28904329
You stupid moron, even if you did breed it wouldn't result in a master race. You're a fantasist and your children will be degenerates like you.
>>28904374
>mom and dad, i'd like you to meet my male companion, bruce. we can talk about real issues like video games and we don't even have to fuck every time we see each other!
>>28904402
Can't comment on that since it has never happened and never will.
MGTOWs make it sound like they actually had a choice.
manchildren go their own way
>>28904369
>incels can't be MGTOW sorry
Wrong. Mgtow define themselves by their disregard for gynocentrism. Therefore judging a man on his ability to get laid is actually the least mgtow thing you could do.
In mgtow literally all men are created equal.
>>28904429
>>28904439
t. roasties or aspiring beta providers with no argument.
>>28904424
Man seeks redemption, but redemption can't be gotten through women or material possessions. In fact it might detract from it. You will get to know this fact all too painfully when your achievements will bear no fruit, even though you thought they would.
>>28904329
>hur hur day of the rope I'm a living meme!
>wealthy men tell the young generation that if you're not a top quality big shot, that you're worthless
>women who are emotionally unstable want the same group of guys to suffer and be as lonely as they are
>all these guys who willingly do exactly what they are told and call it "my own way"
My favorite part of these losers arguments is that they say they are doing what they want, as if sex and having a family are not in that list at all, let alone a fundamental part of life. Were you born without balls or something? No, somebody just convinced you to stop caring (publicly) and now what is your life, what is the alternative? Whining about women you don't even know on the internet? Fucking christ.
>>28904385
yup
>>28904386
nice try but nope
>>28904387
just don't get married or knock her up and always demand a paternity test
>>28904399
but you can, you just have to pay upfront (escort) instead of paying for life (wife)
>>28904402
>>28904411
>>28904455
true dat
>>28904429
>implying we'll be married forcefully against our will
kek
>>28904450
incel means "I want to get laid/gf/wife just can't" so no. the moment you don't want this you aren't incel anymore
>>28904479
in other words: blue pill is cancer
>>28904326
>It's one of those "I know what other people actually desire episode"
>It's one of those "Just improve yourself because you're always the problem and all of your problems can be solved episode"
Just kill yourself, you deluded piece of shit.
![mertle_running_away_crying_by_lionkingrulez-d5t3jew[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/C5mWg5r.png "mertle_running_away_crying_by_lionkingrulez-d5t3jew[1].png")
>>28904411
As long as they're not MEAN BULLIES like YOU!!!
>>28904347
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>Wahhh I can't marry a kinky 10/10 model with a law degree and track and field background... fuck all women I'm going to toss aside the most meaningful and valuable aspects of human existence and have a hobby!!!
Enjoy that, champ.
>>28904498
>but you can, you just have to pay upfront (escort) instead of paying for life (wife)
Chads don't have to marry the woman. So they can get lots of free sex before moving ont another woman. It's not fair.
>>28903123
more like living life on a budget
>>28904527
better than giving knife on a midget
>>28904510
But it's just not fair. I know you will say shit like
>hurr itz how it is
>hurr deal with it
>hurr dats life
But I don't give a shit. Why should I work hard and get less? FUCK THAT. And also fuck everyone who suggests this.
>>28904497
>>women who are emotionally unstable want the same group of guys to suffer and be as lonely as they are
Elaborate on this
In what ways do women suffer? In what ways are they lonely?
>>28904540
it's probably the suffering and loneliness they have to deal with.
>>28904418
Nice projection you got there, faggot. Now you're just getting mad cause you can't make a friend without feeling a strong desire to suck his dick like normal people do.
>>28904497
>still implying the meme that MGTOW don't have sex either through uncommitted relationshits or escorts
>>28904501
pic saved, thx
>>28904510
the example you gave is already full of red flags, no sane man would put a ring on that shit
>>28904520
I know, but most of the delusionals in this thread don't
>>28904566
my sides
>>28904566
HAHAHA YOU JUST SAID NORMAL PEOPLE HAVE A STRONG DESIRE TO SUCK THEIR MALE FRIENDS' DICKS!! HAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE A FUCKING HOMO BRO!!!!!!!!!!
>>28904583
lrn2read faggot
>>28904551
And men don't suffer and deal with loneliness?
Men compete for women; women just have to look fuckable and pretty. Who suffers more?Answer: men, otherwise incels wouldn't exist
>>28904497
getting a nurturing loving qt3.14 gf that loves me unconditionally was an that list too.
then l grew up and realized that the world isn't what l projected onto it when l was 14.
Reality doesn't care about what you'd like to be true, reality just is, and we'll just have to try our best to deal with it.
>>28904589
LRN2WRITE FAGGOT!
>>28902756
>MGTOW
>men dont care about women even if these women dont care about them in the first place movement
Zero value was lost.
>>28904501
Except no. Some people are irredeemable. True incels who have zero chance or possibility of procreating or being in a loving mutual relationship. Those people aren't MGTOW, you can't reject what you can't have.
MGTOW is about being a petulant crybaby because you don't get granted all your heart's desires while being a lazy, boring, unappealing piece of trash.
I dont care if retards want to go live in a hikki mancave and indulge pointless hobbies with their 1 shot at existence, but let's not pretend these strawmen caricatures of women and other men are anything like reality.
Yes worthless whores exist, so do cheating sluts and gold diggers - but they are a minute fraction and not worth throwing away all chances of love, happiness and family for.
>>28902756
>men go their own way
>this means more girls are stuck with chad
>implying they didn't mind that to begin with
>implying that you're all betas for a reason
>implying that reason is you sit around and let stuff happen to you instead of the vice versa
Coincidence? I think not.
>>28904510
>fuck all women
To repeat what one anon has said, it is not always about cutting off all contact with women. It is about being aware of the ways in which you can get shafted and making decisions based on that.
It's like you morons don't want to, or can't, understand. What's the matter, have you invested so much time and money in pussy that if you actually thought about it you'd realise your life is empty?
>>28904592
huh? i said women did, not men didn't. you poor baby boy, you're so mired in self-pity you can't even consider anyone else might be suffering besides you. you poor, poor baby.
>>28904624
You didn't elaborate on why women want men to suffer the same way they suffer which implies women suffer more than men
Elaborate
>>28904601
it wasn't even me you stupid shit
>>28904604
MGTOW is still not a movement because we don't have political goals
>>28904605
the projection is strong in this one
>>28904611
>implying MGTOW aren't full of chads who fuck then dispose roasties for you white knight manginas to marry because you're just too stupid to listen
wew lad
>>28904617
they are in constant denial and can't deal with reality
>>28904624
roasties are only lonely when they're old and useless (post-wall) but never before
>>28904597
Underrated post. Some people are leaders, some are followers, some are gifted, others are cursed.
It must be something related to Americuck culture that everyone feels they are entitled to everything they want. Even more so, that they shouldn't have to work for it.
>>28904540
>i have become meme
how could you empathize with anyone if you're a little cuck who has little to no social interaction?
by the way you're a bit behind the current trend among these self deprecating pseudo-monks. you're supposed to believe that women are sad and upset that you're choosing to sit on a computer whining about them instead of marrying them. particularly all the used goods out there that are older than 16. that's like 80% of women that are missing out on your loving and crying about it.
as for whoever cucked you in the beginning, it was the sort of princess who thinks that she has some sort of "power" over men on the internet if she makes them feel shitty about themselves.
>>28904666
But why should they not be entitled? Being a leader mostly comes down to things out of your control. Why should I have worse life just because of bad luck? And why should I be okay with it?
>>28904672
do you have anything better than shaming language, you useless hole?
>>28904605
>retards want to go live in a hikki mancave and indulge pointless hobbies with their 1 shot at existence
so what are you doing with your "1 shot at existance" that is so much better then that.
life is ultimately pointless.
epicureanism is the best thing anyone can do.
>>28904662
>we don't have political goals
>oppose marriage
>not political goal
>>28904583
Didn't deny that you were projecting. Closet faggot detected, time to embrace your sexuality, now go play with your girl friends, it's make up time then you get to try different dresses and talk about boys.
Bet you enjoy their companionship.
>>28904672
>buttblasted wall of text completely ignores my questions
toastie roastie
>>28904605
found the roastie
roastie plz
wat r u doin roastie
>>28904691
because you can't change it
>>28904733
That's not really an argument. If anything it means you should try to get back at Chads and anyone luckier than you. Any way you can.
MGTOWs made smelly poo poos in their underpants
>>28904498
>implying we'll be married forcefully against our will
Lol what the fuck? You sound like a woman.
The man is the one to propose. That makes the decision rest in your hands. If you don't want to get married you can just not propose.
neckbeards go their own way -- GOOD RIDDANCE
>>28904605
>wah, men are no longer mindlessly throwing themselves into the parasitic lifestyle I'm trying to set up for myself.
>>28903014
MGTOW would be a good movement if their representants weren't a bunch of betas lamenting about the aversion of pretty women towards them.
Like feminism uselessness in the modern world, I haven't heard of MGTOW dedicated lawyers defending a guy whose wife is about to take everything away from him, or when a woman sues him for any fucking reason just to see him suffer, that happens a lot in the courthouses. Or what about helping homeless men that makes the majority of homeless population.
I'm going my own way, I had enough with women, but I'm not going around screaming that I gave up on them.
>>28903734
>What a little pussy you are
says the guys who want to get married and have this Disney pixie fantasy marriage.
>>28904617
>It is about being aware of the ways in which you can get shafted and making decisions based on that.
They amount to the same thing as 'fuck all women' .
>don't have kids because they might be someone elses
>don't marry because some people have bad divorced
And so on.
Just because some bad women do some bad things is no grounds for tarring all with the same brush. It's insultingly stupid. Its also full or assumptions, like when a divorce happens its because the woman is a cold-heartes gold digger rather than the man being a shit partner.
There are a ridiculous number of great women out there who are loyal, decent, loving - and can start a family with you that means more to you than you can even comprehend beforehand...but nah fuk that a guy on the internet lost his house because he married a trophy wife bimbo with shit for brains.
>>28904758
>GOOD RIDDANCE
>NO SOUR GRAPES, HONEST!
kys roastie
>>28903454
>being a cuck has been so drilled into their heads
this
i didn't have friends growing up. i was a loner with underdeveloped social skills. but late in high school and through college, i started branching out, enjoying new experiences, reading/watching things that expanded my mind, and became semi-normal at social interaction.
what you said is one of the most baffling things i've observed.
having been a complete outsider before, i'm able to view dating bullshit with a degree of distance. if i'm talking to a girl, and she's acting like a pouty passive-aggressive idiot, i just fucking stop talking to her. betas who tolerate that and entertain that... just fucking why. what the fuck are you doing. and then they DEFEND her. and DEFEND that weak cuck "manliness." it's just like... bro this would be ok if she were an honorable woman. but she openly disrespects you. she openly takes your money. she openly runs around with chad or her male "friend." you're a tool. you don't have to murder her. just dump her ass.
that's what MGTOW is to me. ignoring women until they start acting like people. because that's so unheard of in normie culture.
>>28904693
did you even read it, cuckboi?
>>28904716
this implies that you acknowledge women being upset.
>he comes to 4chan thinking he's finally talking to girls
10/10 please never have a family XD
This thread is just one huge assblast
>>28904783
From what I've read on this forum, it's you manchildren who have a fairy tale understanding of relationships and love.
Enjoy loneliness, beta manbaby.
>>28904789
That is hilarious coming from an MGTOW
Women don't need you, but you need women
>>28904662
>implying MGTOW aren't full of chads
Why is it I've only seen discussion on MGTOW on /r9k/?
What kind of people does this place bring in? Normies looking for a good laugh, weebs, pedos, NEETs, and robots.
Quit projecting your fantasies of the members on an anonymous image board. It really makes it hard for a neutral person like me to side with you.
>>28904788
>They amount to the same thing as 'fuck all women' .
No it doesn't you intellectually sub-normal dip.
It means that you can have a relationship and even children with a woman, but that you don't do things like let her get control over your own finances.
>>28904802
No, it """implies""" that I know you can't answer my questions so you resort to ad homs
I'll repeat for your tiny brain: How do women suffer? In what way do they suffermore than men? And why would women want men to suffer like they suffer?
>>28904820
what, mad you can't get pussy, neckbeard? :^)
>>28904701
Have a relationship of 10 years with a smart, pretty girl. Have kids I love more than anything, who adore me back, who I get to watch grow and develop...and would willingly die for.
Sure beats playing video games or collecting model trains, or whatever 'brings enjoyment' to an empty shell of a life.
>>28904823
>but you need women
Nobody needs you. You are a glorified incubator. Society would still function if you were literally just an incubator.
>>28904605
>"I dont care if retards want to go live in a hikki mancave and indulge pointless hobbies with their 1 shot at existence"
It's one of those "I know how to TRULY live my life as it was intended and other people don't" episodes.
Meh, complaining about strawman while using no true scotsman instead.
Why even bother with you ?
>>28904855
But some of us got born so ugly no woman wants us. Actually lots of us just got fucked up when being born.
>>28904869
>creates a crybaby movement called 'mgtow'
>claims to not need women
haahahahhahaha
ha
ahahha
wait
haha
hold up
hahahHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Can you say SOUR GRAPES????????????????????
>>28904605
>I dont care if retards want to go live in a hikki mancave and indulge pointless hobbies with their 1 shot at existence
>I care so little I get buttblasted and have to throw around invectives.
>>28904707
do you see us getting marriage outlawed? because I don't. and even if you think you do, that's just an MRA pretending to be MGTOW to show us in bad light (so they can be the good guys)pic related
>>28904745
don't let revenge (fantasies) rule your life it's not worth it
>>28904747
you said that we don't have a choice, and now we do? make up your mind, faggot
>>28904775
that's the men's rights movement you idiot... and some of us do help the homeless, check out the Mayor of MGTOWn
>>28904802
why would I read your useless ramblings I've seen a gazillion times?
>>28904832
because you don't use the internet outside 4chan you stupid fuck
>>28904855
keep deluding yourself, the wake up will be painful and costly
>>28904918
this kek
>black pride (the thug kind)
>NEET pride
>adult bachelor pride
>tranny pride
whats next, you guys are going to start cutting out your eyeballs and being proud of being blind? i mean you can't go much further into counter culture territory when you stop having relationships. also, if it's so easy to make you give up on women, how easy would it be to make you all give up on using computers and shit? you guys aren't funny or interesting, let's just make you "go your own way" off a bridge or into never ending wagecuckery.
>>28904903
Don't strain yourself darling.
>>28903635
There is no need to be upset ayy lmao
>>28904929
>don't let revenge (fantasies) rule your life it's not worth it
It is. It's all I have left. If I leave them be, then all there is my inferiority. And that's a sure way to eventually kill myself.
>>28903406
>die childless and alone
Most old people are left to rot in an inhuman health care system. The lucky ones spend their last days spent sedated on a cocktail of opiates and benzos. The less lucky ones live a couple of decades being spiritually dead while modern medicine drag out their horrible lives. There is more dignity in suicide than passing away "naturally" in the modern society.
What I wanted to say is, the concept of an agonizing death is used as a shame tactic.
>>28904945
Oh I won't, honey. I'm sitting here with my bf and we're laughing at you pathetic manbabies
>>28904918
It insults me that this is portrayed as some noble, smart, calculated decision rather than the hilarious sour grape support group it is.
I have no problem with 'men rejecting women', just those who need an echo chamber club with rules to do it.
>>28904903
>"I know what people ACTUALLY desire" episode
Great. Thx for dropping this board's IQ.
>>28904972
Good, we all know your brain wasn't evolved to ponder existential issues. Have your boyfriend do the thinking.
>>28904977
>It insults me
>I don't care
Pick one you dumb fuck.
>>28904855
read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race and tell me again about my empty shell of a life.
Also, your strawman is just utterly bad.
no mgtow is necessarily a basement dwelling manbaby. many guys in the mgtow community are six figure earners, many have kids, and men like davinci or tesla have lead lives a millon times more meaningful than yours.
>>28904992
Oh you desire us. Don't even try to deny it, manbaby. This board wouldn't be full of your kind, if it was any other way
>>28904994
Ok, sad little man
>>28904992
She's a roastie. Her whole world consists of herself and the few individuals that support her in life. Don't expect her to be able to relate to any other lifestyle.
MGTOW for me is about avoiding this type of vacuous woman.
>>28904297
nothing wrong with grabbing a beer with your buddies and talking about sports/video games. women have become so insufferable they expect us to treat them like they are the last vagina on earth and hanging out with your friends is way better.
>>28905020
>and men like davinci or tesla have lead lives a millon times more meaningful than yours.
Don't try to claim them as MGTOWs. That's like a feminist trying to claim Boudica as a feminist because she lead England against the Romans
>>28905038
Your cunt is the only thing that gives you meaning in life. That's the real sad fact.
>>28904850
they don't suffer more. what is wrong with you? just look at any feminist ramblings, whether its a subtle insult at men or an outright declaration of war. these people are troubled, and because (in part) of them, you gave up on something the vast majority of men have lived for across all generations and cultures.
>>28905065
He's not claiming them you nit. He's saying that the attitude that men who don't breed are useless is countered by their example.
>>28905018
>I'm incapable of seeing that something is tragic and pathetic, while not being bothered if people waste their lives on it.
Surely only true autists can thing this one dimensionally.
>>28903769
You can be MGTOW and still fuck women. If you invest emotionally and financially into a girl, then you are preparing the bull.
>>28905097
*peenzample
>>28904510
>the most meaningful and valuable aspects of human existence
this is the mass man posting
>>28905077
>yuh kunt
The death shrieks of a little manbaby
Keep going, sweetheart, this is more entertaining than the new series of X-Files
>>28905117
>i don't have testicles
are you at least a good singer?
>>28905080
they did it to themselves; they deserve it.
feminism should've died after the second wave
>>28905137
only fagets have testicals
>>28905110
>MGTOWs can totally have sex with women!
>spent half your conscious lives worrying (fantasising) about other men's dicks and how they use them.
Sounds pretty homo to me, brotherman.
>>28905133
>manbaby
>read: a man not stupid enough to see my lack of inherent worth other than my vagina.
>>28905065
ever read what tesla had to say about women?
or how about nietzsche?
But that's not even the point. The point is to show that life without a typical family life can be incredibly meaningful. Just think about how basically everyone in the 1800s had a traditional family, yet no one cares about 99,9% of these people.
>>28905097
How many modern MGTOWs have contributed to humanity? (Give me some examples of men who claim to be MGTOW, so you can't throw Tesla and Kant at me)
>>28902756
That began in the 80s have you seen much since then?
>>28905175
If I have inherent worth, what do have? Nothing. Keep shrieking, honey. Maybe if you shriek hard enough, Mommy Dearest will come up to check on you
>>28905179
You are far too stupid to live. The point he was making was that you don't need to put women on a pedestal to have any worth, not that abstaining from reproduction makes you a genius.
>>28904510
>women
>most meaningful and valuable aspects of human existence
t.testosterone + below average IQ
Great no true scotsman, you know what the TRUE pinnacle of human experience is, you are truly enlightened.
>>28905176
>appealing to authority
tesla was an autist genius but he didn't understand humans and humanity
nietzsche was an edgy atheist manbaby who went crazy after he got fucked by a horse lmao
what great posterchildren for your shitty movement LOL
>>28904662
>MGTOW
>men going their own way
>GOING
>going = movement
Check mate, nigger. How does it feel to be BTFO by linguistics?
>>28905202
You have no inherent worth. That's why you are threatened by men you don't value your pussy. They take the one thing you have.
Women who have inherent worth would see no reason to respond.
>>28902756
Why do men not interested in relationships need a label like that anyway?
It just makes easier for nutcases who think they're in likeminded company to besmirch the whole entirely reasonable original idea, as has already happened as far as I see.
>>28905214
Oh, so nothing then, right? Yeah, enjoy your Nintendo games and Cheetos, mankiddy
>WE DUNT WUNT U! WE INDEPENDENT! ROASTIE ROASTIE ROASTIEEEEE WAAAH WAAAAAAH MOMMY WHERE MILKY WHERE MILKY
LMAO
>>28905155
they did it to you, senpai. the guys ive known who never took feminists seriously? they are either happily married or actually have something else to be proud of. you (or these other dudes) are constantly frustrated about those fucked up chicks on the internet and have been taught to not trust anyone (except the dudes bashing your heads in with misinformation).
if you have a nice life that's your own then i can't tell you to sacrifice it for some random bitch. i'm specifically talking about the guys who are just ragdolls, targets for "alpha" douchebags and spiteful whores. and for some reason claiming to choose that miserable life after all, since they aren't giving alimony or something.
>>28905260
Keep getting flustered, this is good.
>>28905247
I'm not threatened by an ugly beta like you, honey. I have a perfect bf. You're doing us a favor by """going your own way"""" thereby removing your inferior self from the dating pool
This is merely entertainment for me.
>>28905179
The phenomenon is just around for a few years and no one openly calls themselves that to avoid public scrutiny.
Dont try to deflect from the real point. You procreating is about as meaningful a contribution to humanity as is me taking a dump.
>>28903123
Both groups are a mixture of failed normies and schizoid-esque people.
>>28905250
Migtowels checkmate'd
>>28905297
>I'm not threatened by an ugly beta like you, honey.
>You're so non-threatening that I am getting this buttmad.
>>28905294
This whole board is full of manbabies like you getting flustered everyday and then the next second if a girl appears or a poster who seems like a girl you all jump on them
God, you guys are so fucking pathetic. I don't even hate you; I PITY you.
Your whole lives revolve around us "ROASTIES" lmao. Even your MRA movements, like MGTOW, revolve around us. You are innately literal and figurative orbiters.
>>28905317
MGTOWs are beta pussies then? yep, thought as much
Btw your little manbaby group is tiny and will always be tiny
>>28904369
They will make it your problem by raising taxes like I said. If you slink away they will just find more ways to intrude into your life and demand more from you. Apathy and decadence is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
I am more interested in getting my own way than going away.
First I will make it, maybe learn a language and get into a business and learning to manage my finances. Then maybe move to another country and find a good christian woman or a qt asian waifu, with my sketchy business and finance skills it will be easy to prevent her from taking what I worked for for years.
Here is the thing that will piss you off. I will spend on her and my family, I will dote on her to the point you'd called me pussy whipped, but I will be in complete control over my finances and I will do it because they deserve it and it is my choice. If she does cheat on me or want a divorce then fuck it, she will never see me or my money again. Life is too short to waste on people like that.
>>28904411
>>28904494
never said those things, I think you're the fantasist
>>28905342
Oh, sweetheart, something really horrible must've happened to you for you to be like this. I feel sorry for you.
>>28905351
You are not from here, don't you?
>>28905239
>Nietzsche was an edgy atheist manbaby
>why is philosophy so hard to understand anyway ? ugh !
As opposed to you who have already proven to be an edgy manbaby that trows baseless incentives ?
You even projected your own horse fucking experiences onto his life. Great.
>>28905351
>Your whole lives revolve around us "ROASTIES"
>I'm too dumb to notice the "going our own" way part of MGTOW.
I wonder why are men who don't want to accept the unfairness of the world and let society shit on them called manchildren and similar in this thread. It's pretty funny to be honest.
>>28905239
do you even into logical fallacies, dude?
i never said that these guys are an authority on anything.
l just pointed out that their opinions on women and relationships were pretty similar to those of mgtow.
>>28905387
why the fuck would you respond to that drivel you retard
>>28905342
You must be enjoying replying to this self-proclaimed girl (not me) on an anonymous imageboard. You can boast about it with the other incels at your next sour grape support meeting!
Contact with a female at last!
>>28905387
nietzsche is entry level; come to me when you've read hegel, manbaby
>>28905371
ok l don't care
fuck up your life if you want to
>>28905317
The funny thing is that I can actually imagine you MGTOW's being too scared to take a shit and will endure the pain and possible health issues just so that nobody knows you use a toilet.
Maybe it's your brain being too broken in the first place, but it's absolutely hilarious what kind of mental gymnastics you guys take to defend your awful choices in life.
>>28905395
Exactly, your whole life revolves """"going your way"""" away from """roasties""""
Your whole ideological framework is based on us. So pathetic.
>>28905351
>It's one of those "I pull assumptions out of my gaping vagina" episode
Arguing with holes, everyone.
>>28905371
>not wanting to commit career suicide
>beta pussy
k
>>28905403
You likened them and their reputation to MGTOWs to boost the pathetic reputation of MGTOWs
Don't deny it and play dumb. Without Tesla, you have no posterchild (unless you count ugly, beta neckbeards on /r9k/)
>>28905425
damn you just showed me didn't you
:^)
>>28905422
Why don't you just... GO YOUR OWN WAY? ROFL MANBABY
>>28905439
I guess I won then
>>28905446
Abloo blooooo!!
>>28904938
you know that MGTOW who never married can retire years before official retirement age comes, right?
>>28904958
look deep within yourself and find what you always wanted to do (especially as a child) and go for it.
>>28904959
very well said.
>>28904972
aren't you afraid that he gets a few ideas and realizes how vile you really are? oh wait, you're a fat man in his mother's basement pretending to be female
>>28904977
are you afraid of the word spreading? maybe don't be so shitty that men won't want to deal with you anymore...
>>28904992
>dat gif
I love it
>>28905038
some women maybe, but definitely not you, fake roastie
>>28905065
they were. they've willingly forsaken marriage and women and chose to pursue greater things in life.
>>28905110
this
>>28905168
don't project your faggotry on us
>>28905175
roastie toasted again and again
>>28905179
guys like the Mayor of MGTOWn or Messenger Rising are actively helping the homeless in their area. the others are spreading the word and saving men from an unfortunate fate.
>>28905244
that was pretty low energy m8
>>28905250
so we can identify each other and show the real world to others
>>28905297
>I have a perfect bf
sure you do, fedora
>>28905351
>4chan is one person
>>28905371
>>28905415
>>28905474
you have been muted for 64 seconds because your comment was not original.
>>28905380
>implying taxes can't be avoided legally or illegally
wew lad
>muh unicorn
I live in the eastern part of the EU and let me tell you something: AWALT. another eastern EU MGTOW nails it on the head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRzzepFmg-w
>>28905395
>>28905438
nope, it only seems so because you constantly strawman us with that shit
>>28905425
we aren't scared, we just aren't stupid either. if you're so brave, y u no jump off a cliff bare naked?
>>28905458
>You likened them and their reputation to MGTOWs
You are the most retarded person in this thread (next to the moron saying manbaby every other sentence). The point he was making was that their lack of children didn't define their worth.
>>28905415
Kill yourself, roastie whore
Your cunthole holds no power here
>>28905495
MGTOWs have no worth. Now go play your Nintendo games, child
>>28905458
What are you trying to say?
An untypical lifestyle has very few representatives, that is to be expected.
>>28902756
It's beta as fuck, but it's no uprising. It consists of people who would never be able to breed in a million years anyway, so it frankly makes no difference from what existed in the past. It's just that now this group of people have decided to put a name on themselves so they can be special snowflakes.
>>28905525
sure, Leonardo DiCaprio is just another loser in his mom's basement, right?
>>28905420
>you don't know TRUE philosophy, I know TRUE philosophy
No true scotsman to go with that ad hominem, awesome.
You people are so fucking easy and stupid
62 (You)s - my new record
I'm outta here, nerds
>>28905525
I literally have not owned a video game for four or five years. Pleas vary your insults, if that isn't too taxing on your limited intellect.
MGTOW is pretty cool, if nothing else it reminds men to be mindful and respect themselves.
95% of mgtow either already married and had kids in the past or they eventually will do so, just later in life and under more agreeable terms. The true mgtow monk who actually never marry or reproduce are a minority in a minority.
>>28905560
>62 (You)s
A GOD
65
new record, lmao
so fucking easy holy shit
I've been playing both sides for the whole of the thread
I'm gonna go watch an overwatch stream now
bye bitches
>>28905560
your life is surely meaningful if that's your source of self-worth
>>28905578
meh
>>28905576
>they eventually will do so, just later in life and under more agreeable terms
those people aren't MGTOW
>>28905489
>we aren't scared
>jumping off a cliff is the same as having a relationship with someone
>not scared
nice buddy. don't get too excited, mommy might hear your keyboard smashing and spank you for being on 4chan again.
>>28905606
>jumping off a cliff is the same as getting married
FTFY
>>28905627
as if marriage is the only thing you're running away from you little cuck. let the real men do what they need to do, but don't tell me you aren't scared if you equate normal relationships with literally killing yourself. i'd be scared too if i had nothing to offer anyone.
>>28905690
>i'd be scared too if i had nothing to offer anyone.
Not him but many men are like this because of things out of their control. They can work hard, they can lift and get a good job, but none of these things will make up for being short, ugly, small dicked, etc.
>>28905690
>real men
>using shaming language instead of arguments
you have been muted for 64 seconds because your comment was not original.
>go on MGTOW website
>word for word copy pasta of what feminists declared for themselves like a decade ago, except focused on men rather than women
>my generation has taken childish gender wars games to adulthood and actually protests against anything resembling traditional stability and maturity
>i get insulted (on the internet, certainly no where else) for actually showing interest in or success with women
Im a 30khv and in MGTOW in part because women have never shown any interest in me, but the bigger reason is the way I cannot live in my culture (Australia) without being bombarded with misandry and feminism every single day. I used to think it was r9k that made me obsess over bitterness towards women but what I actually realised is that my everyday reality was - just as a simple example I even had to remove the abc (Australian broadcasting company) news app and even the BBC news app from my phone to avoid being triggered constantly by feminist articles, I swear both organisations have policies of making sure there's a man-hating article in the top stories every single day. Also dealing with my own female family members and their lack of self awareness over the shitty things they say about men, and seeing my own brother the victim of his wife's false accusations of domestic violence where he got arrested, and even though the females in my family knew that his wife was the abusive one - they were all downplaying the significance of what she did (getting my bro arrested) and all tried to make excuses for her. I can't even walk down to the supermarket without seeing this white ribbon shit everywhere ("tell men not to abuse women and children!") I see women exercising all this power, like the ability to have a PUA guys visa revoked, but women do nothin about the increasing unfairness to men everywhere.
So I ghost my female family members and women in general. I just can't stand the emotional abuse.
The whole purpose of the male/female distinction is reproductive responsibilities. The male of our species is male because there is a certain pathway his engorged penis needs to take in order to create the next generation of humans. That pathway is the vagina of a woman, because it is the only pathway with the ability to pair the man's sperm with an egg and grow it into another human. Men have their own pathway of sorts. A penis doesn't belong in it, but because of the necessity of ingesting food and secreting waste, there are two warm cavities on the male body that a penis could technically make its way into, though it is an incorrect use of the body. Even with that knowledge, some men choose to insert their penises in the wrong way, in the way that food and waste are meant to travel. The gastrointestinal way, or g-way, or just gay. You can do what you want with your bodies or the bodies of male friends, but you don't have to come up with some fancy vague acronym for it. We already have a term for it: Gay.
>>28905765
>pls no shaming :(
>>28905723
>MGTOWs are all ugly small dicked manlets
It's more likely that they don't want to work hard or think about relationships at all because of the risks (which are usually falsely represented anyway).
You have a bunch of guys who grew up playing video games with other guys and never adjusted well. That doesn't mean they can't or it's out of their control, it's just a lot simpler to not give a fuck. Although......they still are giving a fuck by spending X amount of hours defending their little label of MGTOW or talking shit about women (that they have refused to have relationships with......somehow)
>>28905832
still not an argument, and of course you don't have any
>>28905832
>You have a bunch of guys who grew up playing video games with other guys and never adjusted well.
But also plenty of men who got shafted and don't feel like repeating their mistakes.
ohyhhhhmy willyfeelssogood;))))endlessWILLYPLEASURE.
u wanna some willy wanking tips I give you some my willywanking grasshopper
>step 1: grab your willy
>step 2: waggle it up and down!!!!!!
>step 3: even tho it hurts waggle it to FULLJOY!!!!mmHHHHmmmmmwaggleurwilly;))
>step 4: CUM WILLY JUlCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!myWIIIIIIIIIILLLLYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>28905832
I never said that.
>It's more likely that they don't want to work hard or think about relationships at all because of the risks (which are usually falsely represented anyway).
I don't want to work hard for what Chad gets easily. That's true.
>That doesn't mean they can't or it's out of their control, it's just a lot simpler to not give a fuck.
Good job ignoring what I said about things you can not change.
