>at work
>thinking of how I'm going to start studying programming really hard
>fantasizing about all the cool shit I'm gonna do once I become good at it
>come home
>all pumped up to read a programming book
>open the pdf
>read the first few sentences
>lose all motivation
>fap and start re-watching some series for the 7th time
Why is learning anything so hard?
>>28402329
>someone spelled "lose" correctly for once
I'm proud of you, anon-kun.
>>28402329
Learning isn't difficult at all. Learning to code is.
>>28402329
because some concepts are hard to put into words and even harder to understand, some people have an easier time because some people have a brain better predisposed to understand patterns and have a general ease at "understanding" concepts
>>28402380
>>28402382
I'm talking about everything though, not just programming. Imagine how great it would be to be a master gunsmith, an expert in chemistry, or a fluent speaker of Mandarin. Now imagine the amount of work you have to put into it before it's even usable.
>think i can learn programming
>do tutorials and shit 6 hours a day past 3 days
>still can't code the simplest shit
>>28402382
>a brain better predisposed to understand patterns and have a general ease at "understanding" concepts
That's a long way to say 'IQ'.
>>28402476
(Fun thing is, of course, hardly anyone would react to your phrasing, but those two letters never fail to jerk knees.)
Programming is incredibly easy. Even a retard can do it. Making good programs is harder, but the Black-Scholes pricing solver my Russian finance professor wrote in Perl where every variable was name a1, a2, a,3, ... gave output just as correct as what I could make with an BS in CS.
>>28402450
>I can learn to code in 3 days
Nigger it took me weeks to even memorize the main method signature when I started. You won't learn jack shit in 3 days.
>>28402449
>Imagine how great it would be to be a master gunsmith
There are many many different aspects to gunsmithing. Usually in a shop you're going to find people specializing in specific aspects of it, like finishes, engraving, machining/fitting, etc. It's exceedingly rare to find someone who likes guns enough to be able to do every single job related to gunsmithing at a competent level.
>>28402476
>>28402495
Well because it's the truth.
Some people are smarter and some people are stupider, and generally speaking stupidity leads to dangerous and aggressive behavior.
Tesla was a genius, but he was also a pidgeon lover.
Not everyone is smart enough to understand mechanics, or coding, or physics
it's just something you are literally borne with, strokes of luck also apply
I.E
kid in china plays guitar like an experienced master at the age of 12 and hes never even touched a guitar, his dad brought it home by chance, the kid just "knew" how to play it.
Or extremely talented piano kids that naturally connect with the instrument
>>28402329
I recognise this. I'm always tired after doing my college coursework to learn anything else.
>>28402565
Still, those people studied/practiced diligently to get to that level, something I can't seem to be able to do. Hell if I read 10 pages a day it's a fucking miracle. Usually I read 1 or 2 and slack off.
>>28402588
>kid in china plays guitar like an experienced master at the age of 12 and hes never even touched a guitar, his dad brought it home by chance, the kid just "knew" how to play it.
Did that actually happen, because if not I call bullshit. Some people are much more naturally inclined and find it easier to learn, but I find it very hard to believe someone who has never touched an instrument magically has all the muscle memory related to competent playing.
>>28402565
Gunsmithing is incredibly easy. Even a retard can do it. Making good designs is harder, but you can copy shit until you get better in a week or two.
>>28402686
This. The people just learn faster, and you see it everywhere. Doesn't mean they magically know how to play the instrument.
Y'all motherfuckers need some high energy
>memorizing
Won't get you anywhere unless you're in a shit tier profession (or an Indian medical school).
>>28402588
>kid in china plays guitar like an experienced master at the age of 12 and hes never even touched a guitar, his dad brought it home by chance, the kid just "knew" how to play it.
>Or extremely talented piano kids that naturally connect with the instrument
Yeah, if you pick up and instrument or anything else and can't master it in a few minutes, it's not for you. You're going to waste hours and hours and never get to be 1/10th as good as someone like that so quit while ur ahead (absolutely serious life is too short to waste being mediocre)
>it's just something you are literally borne with
So much this.
>>28402686
it was a 4 year old article and showed poor parents and a shitty acoustic guitar and the kid shredding it, they didn't seem to have access to internet nor did the parents have money for books about guitar or lessons.
It could easily be fake, but i don't think it's impossible, there's 5 year old kids playing piano like it's literal childsplay,
>>28402787
i tried to take guitar lessons, but i was just not inclined for, after one year i wasn't seeing enough progress and i stopped spending money, i still have the guitar and sometimes i try to learn some riffs, because it kind of feels satisfying when you complete it, no matter how shitty or out of tempo it is, after i finished house of the rising sun i was so happy.
Then i tried to improve it but it was really hard to even come close to the tempo or the sound.
Still a bit of fun was had
>>28402802
>there's 5 year old kids playing piano like it's literal childsplay,
Because they start when they're 3 and the parents make them practice about 8 hours a day. Accumulation of several thousand hours of (useful) practice in something is the only way to become competent.
>>28402867
>kid
>8 hours a day
sure i'm sure people actually do this i have no doubt about it, but how isn't it child abuse, i mean how does a kid understand what he likes or doesn't , he just does it because the parents are telling him to, and the parents are just fucked up in the head that want satisfaction from their genetic information not to become a serial rapist and that is commendable but some people take it to the extreme
>you can't achieve greatness without sacrifice
yeah just mentally fuck up a child to learn piano or violin just because you wanted him to be good at that, without understanding that the kid doesn't understand choices
My theory is that its not "you need 10k hours to git gud' but that there are a majority of people in any profession who are operating at under 10k hours skill wise.
They are essentially the working class and make the bulk of any profession. They aren't 'special', because anything that is 'special' is quickly figured out how to get sold to people too dumb to use it or understand the full implications of its use.
Most people will never understand things like simple generators or drug interactions but they'll use them every day. The top percentage are just people who geniunely give a shit about progressing the actual field and everyone usually thinks they are insane.
Look back through history, most notable thinkers spent their entire lives on the fringe slowly winning people to their side through intelligence, wit, and being right about things. Thats why the national parks exist, tesla invented wireless power years before anyone throught it was possible(they still don't know how he did it), Edison commercialized technology to heights never seen before, Bejamin Franklin saved countless lives by letting anyone use his potbelly stove patent for free.
Its not that your skill sucks, its that your passion sucks. Well your skill sucks too but thats because you have no passion anyways, so your skill is useless anyways.
I think the major reason why most people are here is just because they are normal and the internet fulfills their needs well enough along with normal society. They know deep down they want more but thats 'for later', don't worry your real 'passion' is still hidden and someday you'll just magically start caring about something I'm sure.
I doubt I will.
>download shitloads of music
>play it in the background while studying
>it's like the songs are feeding your very fucking soul
>keep motivated to a minimun
>actually achieve shit
Seriously guys, music was a gift from the gods. Don't underestimate nor squander the power of some quality background noise.
>>28402730
Whats it like to be so retarded?
>>28403168
>Its not that your skill sucks, its that your passion sucks.
Dude you've just described what I've always thought. When I was passionate about reading as a kid, I would read lightning-fast and retain everything in the books that I read. I recall me and my brother talking about the books we read in detail, even so far as to remember quotes from insignificant characters.
Now that I'm older, my passion has waned. In my head it seems awesome to learn what I want to learn, but I can't seem to actually push myself to do it. To be really honest, I think it's all the other shit in life that keeps me too stressed out to be passionate about something. I notice that the more "work" I have to do, the less I can physically even think of being passionate about something. Hell, I've been wanting to read a particular fantasy book for the last year. If I was a kid, I would have done it in an evening because I wouldn't have had any other worries. Now I can't even think about it due to the outside pressures of life (although this might be an excuse my brain is making up, it's also possible that I'm just becoming cynical naturally). I really fucking hope I (re)gain some passion soon, or I'm gonna have to off myself.
>Get cs degree so I can make cool programs/games and shit
>Learn how to code
>Its command line level shit only
>Still have no idea how to code a program
College is a meme
>>28403175
I dont understand how people can study while listen to music
I just focus on the music and can't take a single thing in
>>28403574
It's a computer science course you dork. It's about math and theory and shit. If you wanted to round corners on hipster webapp startups, you could have just learned that for free.
>doing codecademy for python
>get to the part where they stop holding your hand
>can't do anything and have to look up solutions
>>28403724
Don't feel bad anon
90% of programming is looking shit up on stackoverflow
>find computers kind of interesting
>know most of the basic shit and theory
>know some basic HTML
>took a compsci class in college
>probably gonna start learning about Linux soon
>still have no desire to learn programming
Why does everyone want to be a programmer? is it just a natural extension of learning to use the terminal or something? I can't even think of a program I could make that'd do anything new.
>>28403612
I can focus with instrumental (mostly game music) stuff, but yeah, I can't concentrate at all with lyrical music.
>>28403889
>I can't even think of a program I could make that'd do anything new.
That IS true, but you still have to practice making simple programs somehow by making something that already exists. It may seem redundant but that's how it works.
>>28403659
Yeah i know
But it still would have been nice to learn some practical applications for it, or at least how to build a simple GUI or something
Probably just gunna switch to engineering instead
>>28403724
Do you guys think that a person can learn about electronics as easily as he can learn about coding? I'm intermediate at coding, and want to expand by doing stuff with electronics (both analog and digital) but I don't know if it's doable from home. I don't mean just the basics, I mean enough to be able to make useful cool gadgets with it.
Programming was always easy to understand for me, but then I try to create a large program and all the OOP design pattern shit leaves me completely lost. No matter what I do it just gets convoluted. How are you supposed to share a lot of data between many unrelated objects while keeping classes and functions manageable and maintaining good code habits? It is hopeless.
>>28403979
>computer science
>expecting school to teach you everything you need to know
>>28402329
>the coding meme
Shig
>>28403979
You can learn that on your own. If you know CompSci, I imagine it's easy to learn the high-level stuff like GUI.
>>28403990
>programming was always easy for me
>programming leaves me completely lost
>>28404065
Yeah but i prefer other people to spoonfeed it to me
Learning on my own is too much effort
>>28403979
That's a horrible idea. Any specific framework you learned would be obsolete by the time you graduated. You don't want to be that guy linking to GTK+ in 2016 because you learned it in college, right?
>>28403990
That depends on how long you've been programming, and how big your programs are. For instance, I've heard this complaint from noobs who use global variables to pass around data between a gazillion different classes, rather than using parameters. It's doable as long as you separate classes/packages as much as possible, and have as few points of connection as possible between one package and another (i.e. classes not relying on classes outside of that package).
Idk though, I've never really made a huge program before, but that's how I imagine it.
>>28404091
you sound like me
I've been searching for a job for 2 years now after graduation.
Don't be that guy
>>28404072
The concepts themselves and the logical stuff, that is, when I was younger and learning. When it comes to the abstract shit I cannot grasp it. Have you seen Ulillillia's code?
>>28403612
what you do is listen to only one music on an infinite loop, what that will do is it will help you at the beginning to get motivated and then after 4/5 repeats it will have become so repetitive that your brain simply doesn't acknowledge it because of the lack of stimuli
all i do is code, im not great but it i still do it, fucked up my pc and had to write down instructions on how to install arch linux fron libraru computer as arch is all i have on my usb collections, feel horrible,,,,,, might end it soon,, its all i do and all i know, no friends, havent ever toucbed another human being in months, starting to question if the words i use are right in conversations, cant keey eye contact as i feel i freak people out, have nothing interesting to say to people besides info about code and how computers work, i dont want to live anymore
porn addiction is the reason.
Make fapping a non-option by doing all your learning in public places
>>28402329
You have to program yourself to enjoy delayed gratification.
Most forms of entertainment promote instant gratification. You used the example of a television series. At the moment I'm re-watching all of House and in the span of an hour drama occurs, tensions are created, things come to a peak before they steadily start resolving. Problem is: This obviously isn't an accurate portrayal of reality where it can sometimes take years for things to resolve, if they resolve at all.
As The Grateful Dead put it in Uncle John's Band 'The first days are the hardest days'. For a few weeks, maybe even a month, you're not going to feel good learning because you're not going to see very significant results. However, once you're able to start applying your learning and completing projects regularly you'll feel a deep sense of satisfaction. Then it just cascades into habit/addiction, eventually you become fully absorbed in your work because you're chasing that feeling you get when you finish a project.
>>28404198
This is how Douglas Adams got inspiration for writing.
>>28404255
Do you have internet friends of any kind? I'm afraid I'm heading towards this path as well. Sorry to hear bromigo, may you find inner peace soon.
>>28402450
You probably don't actually like coding that much and think it's boring.
I agree, its why I'm not going to college, because I don't have any motivation to learn anything I'm not interested in. There are lots of things I'm good at they just have no societal value.
>>28404375
I honestly didn't know, i just found that out by myself in the last 2 years I've learned 12 years of math taught in school (with the help of a great tutor, im only slightly above average intelligence wise) and of course i had to study math an average of 5/6 hours a day besides the normal school i had to attend to. And i found that i could use music to get me to start and soon my brain would shut it off completely and i wouldnt even notice it was playing anymore
>>28404457
Yeah it's called neural adaptation. If you practice mindfulness meditation one of the first things you realise is how much is going on around you that you usually just ignore.
>>28402329
>it's hard because you quit.
Winners never quit and quitters never win.
>>28404399
here and there some, my skype is cannibal2021 if you or anyone else feels like messaging.
>>28404523
Do you know any books, videos or any other kind of informative content on that kind of meditation?
I tried meditation 20 minutes every morning and it las like focusing on my breathing focusing on just being present, but i found it really hard to make myself do it, id just meditate for one week then stop and start 2 months later
>>28404542
I mean it's ridiculously hard to focus. Like pretty much impossible. Lately I haven't been able to focus on anything, not even games. I don't think it's the subject itself, but rather my mindset. Maybe there's something wrong with my head.
>>28404660
>id just meditate for one week then stop and start 2 months later
Try 5 minutes, then stop and start 2 months later.
I'm a fucking failure.
>at work
>thinking of how I'm going to go home and fuck my roommates gf really hard
>fantasizing about all the ways I'm gonna fuck the shit out of her
>all pumped up to plow this bitch
>get home
>3 seconds of foreplay
>pound the shit out of her and play with them titties
>turned from a "quickie" into a 20 minute pounding
I'll admit my roommates open relationship is probably the reason i don't even try to hit on girls anymore. I got easy pussy at my house and non of the head ache.
>>28404638
>tfw don't even use skype
>tfw sweating buckets at the idea of even chatting with a new person
God damnit.
>>28404759
Wait, you're cucking your roommate and he knows?
>>28402329
Try LSD or shrooms
not weed tho, weed will make this 10x worse
maybe they will help
>>28404662
the problem might be in your diet, if you eat a lot of processed foods and don't get a proper healthy diet, that might fuck up your brain chemistry and cause all sorts of problems like lack of motivation, depression, etc
>>28404863
I'm sorry my man but that is dumb as fuck
all I eat are veggies and grains. maybe some meat here and there. no change in motivation from when I ate only mcdonalds
>>28404906
just because it doesn't work in your case doesn't mean that it is "dumb as fuck" i for example notice that my diet is a big factor on dealing with my lack of motivation and social anxiety...
>>28404863
I'll list the unhealthy shit I eat, and you tell me:
>once a week pizza
>5 times a week french fries
>2 croissants a day (lot of butter in those)
>at least a chocolate bar or 5 chocolate cookies a day
>one time a week mcdonnalds/bk/kfc
>every other day chips
>every other day snacks
>cake once a week
>at least 2 200g bags of candy a week
>2 times a week fried chicken
>2 times a week fried fish
>eat 3 different sauces with every meal
I know it's relatively bad, but is it bad enough to cause the shitstorm in my head?
>>28404814
Hes the one who told me to do it. "Me and my girl aren't about restrictions in relationships. So if you're ever needing to get laid just talk to her and she'll bang you."
Lived together with them for like 8 months now, been banging her for about 6. Don't see a reason to stop, its easy pussy.
>>28402329
You've let your brain mature. That's the problem.
Let me explain. When you're young, your brain is set up to absorb new information at a ferocious rate, effortlessly. As long as new information continues to flow in, your brain maintains its supple, youthful condition. But go even a few months without learning anything new and physiological changes occur in the brain which turn you into a mature, adult version of your species. At this point learning new skills becomes painfully hard or even impossible. It's why scientists generally make their greatest discoveries in their youth and never again regain that level of innovation.
You're going to have to acknowledge that you can no longer learn skills with the ease you used to, and that it's going to take lots of conscious effort. The good news is that it turns out it's possible to at least partially regain a supple and active brain by keeping it very busy for an extended period. It can even counteract or retard the effects of brain diseases like Alzheimer's.
>>28405039
Yeah it sounds cool, is she hot?
Is she slutty or is she just attracted to you?
Did you ever double team her?
Did you ever fuck her in a very short time frame before/after he fucked her?
Anyway, good for you. Keep it up.
>>28404662
I know what you're talking about. It's like a fog is over everything and you just can't hone in on something. What I usually do on those days is change up my routine and do something different than I usually do. Shit sometimes I just go to a public place and people watch. Just change up the pace and your environment, maybe go to some cafe at a community college with your laptop and hang out/ study your shit. Go to an airport and watch the planes take off, different people bustle about their day. Just change it up a little bit.
>>28405073
My brain is racing all day long while I'm awake. It's not gonna become more active than that.
>>28405108
A "racing brain" isn't the same as an active brain absorbing new skills.
>>28404785
messaging, not chat, im a robot not a normie
>>28405084
>Yeah it sounds cool, is she hot?
She is a solid 8/10. hotter than I can usually score.
>Is she slutty or is she just attracted to you?
even though they claim to have an open relationship I've never heard of her banging anyone but him and me. so I cant outright say shes slutty.
>Did you ever double team her?
a couple times. DP is WAY harder to pull off than porno makes it out to be.
>Did you ever fuck her in a very short time frame before/after he fucked her?
Pretty sure the answer above this gives you an idea.
It takes time and dedication. 4chan and the internet all promote instantaneous gratification like other posters have pointed out
You've got to commit some time to learning the basics and it will be slow with little reward in the beginning. If becoming a genius was that easy everyone would be doing it.
>>28402329
>programming
>hard
You literally are just telling the computer what you want it to do, it's hardly different from giving a person directions
>>28405025
I'm not a nutritionist and i don't know you, so i cant tell how much processed food and sugar you can eat without i hurting you or your mental health but i think you should consider getting a nutritionist to plan a diet for you and exercising everyday, 1 hour or even 30 min just to work on your cardio
>>28403043
No really they do this a lot in china. There are so many kids and parental pressure is huge in their culture.
8 hours a day would be an understatement.
>>28405176
Yeah that's what I meant, I'm obviously not gonna physically talk. Anyway, I'll see if I wanna try with Skype (laptop overheats real quick and Skype doesn't help) and maybe I'll message you. We can have the pointless "X is the best programming language and here's why" debate.
>>28402588
>Not everyone is smart enough to understand mechanics, or coding, or physics
I'm convinced anyone can.
Intelligence is a concept hard to put into words, especially because it can be used to refer to so many different things. I'll use the simplified definition that an intelligent person is a person that can extrapolate from given data and find patterns and logic connections in them. An intelligent person could for example tell the connection of force addition and trigonometric functions, given the knowledge about both on their own.
For my case I'll simplify by saying memory is quasi infinite (at least since google got invented). I will also presume that everyone relevant to this discussion has at least a middleschool education, meaning they have a basic concept of the world around them and logic.
As a student you can either just believe what you're taught or try to get to the result by your self. The second is much more rewarding and - if we're talking about an "Intelligent" person - maybe even faster than the "messy" explanation that requires the teacher to formulate words and sound them out loud.
However, just taking facts for granted (e.g. that there is a force such as gravity) might just as well lead to the same knowledge, given that what is taught is actually true. It's just like learning vocabulary for a new language.
Having to be spoonfed all that information ofcourse comes with disatvantages like not being able to verify it's correctness or not being able to innovate.
Nevertheless it'd theoretically be possible to just have every law of nature, every mathematical truth remembered and to have aquired the same knowledge as an "intelligent" person that way.
A good teacher will strive to explain things, so that both ways of obtaining knowledge can be used. This will lead to the person having a better chance of remembering the lesson.
So the real problem is finding teachers, teaching their subjects well enough to be easy to remember.
>>28405189
>dp
>cant outright say shes slutty
What is happening to my world.
>>28402329
don't burden yourself with a dumb book. just find a tutorial and make something simple
try making a simple calculator that runs in the command prompt. it can do addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.
i love programming and i hate books, nobody likes practice really. plus programming books are a shit way to learn programming. best way is to make projects and learn by reference, more fun too.
if you wanna make games, download Unity (3D) or Game Maker (2D) and follow some tutorials to get started.
>>28405213
I know, but what's the alternative? Just sitting around all day? I obviously can't study/work 12 out of 24 hours.
>>28405881
Those tuts never really seem to teach about coding though.
It honestly feels like they are jumping from random spot to random spot.
Not OP but where does the very first beginner spot start. Do I have to learn how a computer functions before I start coding?
>>28405741
As a private tutor and part time teacher this isn't true. There were 18 year olds who didn't know what a sphere was. Some people genuinely struggle learning the absolute basics.
It's nearly impossible for someone to imagine how they would be with less intelligence, or atleast learning capabilities. Not everyone can learn these sorts of things.
>>28403724
that's perfectly normal anon. it's because you didn't learn a process for programming, they mostly just told you to type in things.
ya just gotta make something smaller, something that you can atleast think up some steps of. like: "oh well i need 2 variables for this" or "i'll probably need to store these things in a list" or "if i want to do something to every element in this list i'll probably need a loop".
as to those exercises, just keep at it. look up earlier examples. every time you try you get better.
>>28402329
>>28402450
>>28402538
>>28403574
>>28403659
>>28404065
Programming is fun but you need to do it from a proper University not some shitty online forum.
Start with python because it's the easiest language, then move on to Java and c++
You ain't going to make crisis 3 in a week but you can learn gui and programming a calculator reasonably quick. Programming is all practical and practice.
>>28405960
You really just need very little to start off.
You have to know basic syntax, datatypes and controll flow (functions, loops and conditions).
I started learning c++ with this turtorial:
http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html
after that just find projects you find fun doing and search all problems you might have, compiler errors are always a good pointer in the right direction.
I for example started making a bulls and cows game. After that I made a command-line minesweeper and after that a little textbased rpg.
Good thing about all c-like languages: once you've learnt basic syntax etc. ther are not too man things that will change.
Java and C# have a few less options in regards to memory-handling and every language has some features that the others don't but you'll find your way into a new language in half a day if you don't care about all the details of that language.
>>28406157
thanksmanoriginal commet desu
>>28406143
>You ain't going to make crisis 3 in a week
reminds me of when I told a friend that I had started using unity. He's not the brightest guy I might add.
I told him about how it's free and so on and he immeadiately asked me "can you show me how to use it, I wanna make a better version of CoD. There are some things that really piss me off but I like the game."
>>28406023
>18 year olds who didn't know what a sphere was
literally more stupid than a child in kinergarden. Ask them, they'll know what a ball is.
>>28406143
>You ain't going to make crisis 3 in a week
Dropped. Why even bother?
>>28406157
I disagree. Maybe it's the case with basic C, but most programming languages are much more complex than they seem on the surface. For instance, languages like Java and C++ are OO-based and you have to learn a lot of that to program effectively on them. I'm sure C has a lot of useful stuff in it that isn't directly taught tutorials because they skip over almost everything but the bare necessities. Books might be boring, but they're detailed and give you all the information you need to start out good.
>>28405960
the beginning is the hardest part.
if you can force yourself through some python lessons at codeacademy.com, that would be great to get you familiar with coding. just for a day or two.
i'm not sure what you're interested in programming, because you gotta have atleast a hunch of what you wanna program. if it's games then i suggest starting with Unity or Game Maker after that. there's a huge amount of resources for coding in those two engines, for beginners.
>Do I have to learn how a computer functions before I start coding?
absolutely not
>>28406023
>>28406298
tbqh it's not that they are stupid, but rather that they don't give two shits about math, and rather would learn normalfag things like sports
these are the kids that get laid at age 12 though. high test
>>28406309
Replying to this >>28405881
>>28406157
>>28406236
forgot to add they're not only c-like but also object-oiented. It's explained in the tutorial though
>>28402450
what did you expect for 3 days of work? there's entire college courses FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF ABILITY just to learn the basics of coding, and you're just average.
This is me with guitar. I can play decently, but every attempt at trying to learn anything more ends quickly.
>>28406451
he's clearly smart but lazy :^)
You should take programming classes after work because you lack discipline. you're probably not nomie enough to get up and leave if you're bored.
>>28406309
>I disagree. Maybe it's the case with basic C, but most programming languages are much more complex than they seem on the surface. For instance, languages like Java and C++ are OO-based and you have to learn a lot of that to program effectively on them. I'm sure C has a lot of useful stuff in it that isn't directly taught tutorials because they skip over almost everything but the bare necessities. Books might be boring, but they're detailed and give you all the information you need to start out good.
yeah i agree, but it is not the way for beginners. a beginner should just get the bare necessities out of the way first (how to turn on a computer, how to compile a "hello world" program). then he should make simple stuff and learn by reference. that's what i think.
i taught myself C with a book and exercises, but that was 3 years in when i knew exactly what i wanted to get out of it plus i had a project in mind already (a 3D engine). still, a book is a much slower way to learn programming even though it's rigorous. i could spend hours reading through a dull chapter and doing the boring, complicated exercises, or i could make a snake clone and look up whatever problems i run into online. guess which one is more fun? it also gives more knowledge and practice for the time spent imo.
books just overwhelm you with shit you don't need at the time. that's why it's so much slower than just getting into a project and learning what you need as you go.
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If it's chords or scales then print them out or draw them on a paper and keep them on a stand or something. This helped me a lot when i was trying to memorize scale patterns cause i just needed to look at the wall to get reminded.
Also always keep your guitar within arms reach of your computer.
>want to take up some hobby or do something to improve myself
>do it for a week or two
>it gets too difficult/I lose interest/don't have time/whatever
>series of failures makes me more and more reluctant to do anything
