Daily reminder that communism is the solution to all your problems and in the year 2016 there is literally not one reason to not be a communist.
>People are equal
>No one has to be unemployed and no one is exploited with nonsense like unpaid internships
>Stable economy
>More inclusive and strong communities.
>No competition AKA getting cucked by Chadimir
>Efficient allocation of resources.
Communism would make life 10,000x better for the overwhelming majority of people on this board, this site, this entire planet.
Please go and shill somewhere else /leftypol/.
Reminder to sage those threads
>>28328706
Keep up the good work, comrade. The revolution is coming.
>>28328723
Fuck off, whore for the bourgeoisie.
>>28328723
No topic means nothing to close-minded NEETs living on mummy's tendies
>the commiefag is posting again
go away bernie sanders lost you have no reason to live
>>28328724
>The revolution is coming
I'm honestly not that much interested in politics don't identify with any ideology but do you really think this? In which part of the world are communist, or even leftist partys getting alot of votes? 3rd world shitholes don't count. And Sanders won't even get nominated I guess.
I also can't see any communist movement or new mindset around the world apart from the usual 5-10% who support far lift ideologys. A right wing revolution really seems more likely to me at this point since right wing partys are pretty successful in the past years and there are a lot of movements around europe.
>>28328752
Bernie Sanders is not a communist, he is a Social-Democrat liberal and probably killed Rosa Luxemburg too.
>>28328706
eat shit, nerd
roboto oh no
>>28328772
Modern day fascists only exist because of the confusion created by capitalism and their brains being saturated with propaganda against communism which would actually be good for them.
It is true however that governments are getting more right wing, but this only means that in the future the left will grow bigger as happens in every far-right society.
>>28328806
>equal sharing of miseries
Capitalist propaganda, there is more than enough wealth in the world to benefit everyone.
>>28328809
far right populists in Europe are to the left of mainstream left wing parties when it comes to economics.
They see free market capitalism as cucking their local industries and the free movement of migrants as a symptom of this.
>>28328842
They're very protectionist, but they still seem to be pro-free trade internally as seen with UKIP.
However it's not hard to be more left-wing than the mainstream left-wing parties in Europe that are invariably capitalist shills.
>>28328737
Kek, go on a believe your LE GREEDY PIG MAN conspiracy. I'm 100 times better off than I'd be in a communist society, and so are you. The only ones maybe suffering under capitalism are people in third world shitholes who get exploited, but I honestly doubt that they would live a much better life if all western superpowers were communist. I also doubt that you actually care about them.
I also think most young communists today don't understand much about the theory of communism/maoism or whatever and are just impressed by all the flags, cool propaganda and buzzwords which still seems to work today.
>>28328706
Daily reminder that Lenin's older brother was working for the terrorist organization called Narodnaya Volya, said organization assasinated Tsar Alexander II, the Tsar that liberated the serfs.
>>28328902
>Ah ha, I know communism doesn't work because clearly you are exactly like me.
Nope, if you're on this board and communism wouldn't benefit you then you're a normie who needs to get the fuck out.
>I also think most young communists today don't understand much about the theory of communism/maoism or whatever and are just impressed by all the flags, cool propaganda and buzzwords which still seems to work today.
M8, just go to /pol/.
>>28328934
Good, monarchy is an abomination.
>>28329036
>Nope, if you're on this board and communism wouldn't benefit you then you're a normie who needs to get the fuck out.
Why? If I choose to work and have a normie career I have more choices, higher wage and more freedom when it comes to education than in a communist country.
If I choose NEET welfare life (something that wouldn't be possible in a communist state) I'm living more comfortable too. Also my existence is not based on work, money and greed so I guess communism isn't for me.
>M8, just go to /pol/.
>but m-muh /pol/ is the same
Yeah, you sure got high standarts if you're comparing yourself with pol. I don't say they're any better. Most of them are teenage edgelords too who just like the flags, the uniforms and songs etc. I understand that, and I find fascist and communist stuff from the 20th century (like pic related) also aesthetically pleasing but I've realized that my life is easier in the capitalist world.
>>28328706
I kinda like communism, but let's be honset
>people are equal
that's bullshit
>no unemployment and no exploitation
it's just as likely, be it exhausting work at fields one is not fond of at all
rest seems reasonable enough
I'd say that communism would be a good system,but for an utopian society which we are not.
>>28329244
You don't actually, in the USSR you would get supported thoughout your life and led to a career that was good for you. If you were smart your education was supported to the PhD level, if you had a good plan for a business venture the state would help you out, anything. And more importantly you got paid enough to live independently without having to worry about paying for rent.
Even if you were the kind of irredeemable person that would want to be a NEET it was a saying that the army would take you.
> Also my existence is not based on work, money and greed so I guess communism isn't for me.
On the contrary communism elevates people's lives to something beyond materialistic things. Strong social communities, arts and sports were made accessible to everyone, it was good.
>also aesthetically pleasing but I've realized that my life is easier in the capitalist world.
Life is only easier for the landed classes, for everyone else communism would be a godsend whether or not they realize it.
>>28329295
>that's bullshit
Depends what you mean
Communism acknowledges that people can have different levels of ability, but what I mean is everyone gets the support that they need to live fulfilling lives.
>it's just as likely, be it exhausting work at fields one is not fond of at all
Actually the state would guide you to a career that it seemed like you would enjoy or at least be able to do well.
In the event you were to lazy/stupid/whatever to really be good at anything they'd be more likely to put you in the army than make you work in the fields.
>>28328706
gtfo of here you tumblr fag. Your fat ass would be the first one in the gulag if commies ever took power
>>28329450
>Yes, I believe what they told me in school about communism.
>>28328706
>>28329036
>>28329365
Honest question: What divides communism etc. from fascism? It always sounds pretty much the same except the fact that communists say fascism is in truth controlled by the rich
>>28329505
fascists divide everything in nationality and race while communists divide everything in social classes.Also fascists are economically capitalists
>>28329505
In communism there is no such thing as private property. The state owns everything and in turn the means of production are controlled by the workforce rather than by capitalists. How much second point was true however varied from country to country and under various leaders.
It's also not as nationalistic and even when it is, is so in a different way. Communist nationalism is more a means of defence against imperialist powers, fascist nationalism on the other hand is generally quite aggressive and hostile to minorities as well as neighbouring countries.
Also communism is supposed to be democratic.
Fascism, more or less, is militarized social democracy. It's a populist movement that supports the capitalist system of private property, whereas communists hold private property as something that needs to be done away with and nationalism is something that's very divisive to the working class.
>>28329244
Dude isn't aware that in fifteen years an AI will take his job. Universal income now so I can start my farm and not have to be a wagie
>>28329505
also this is another reason why communists and fascists arent the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YCcMOQnZ5Y
>>28329563
*in socialism, I should say for that first point.
In full communism the state doesn't control anything.
>>28329505
>fascists divide everything in nationality and race while communists divide everything in social classes
You got a point there, I think that's probably the main difference.
>Also fascists are economically capitalists
I don't know, they are of course less controlling the economy than a communist state but they also do a lot fo the things >>28329365 said. They are against globalists and huge companies which only hurt the simple man and try to strengthen the normal people.
>>28329607
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
Famous fascists like Hitler and Pinochet didnt do that though
Daily reminder that communism is a Jewish conspiracy and everyone non Jewish who respects communist values is a shill and won't realise how bad it is until they are breaking rocks in Siberia.
>>28329563
>The state owns everything and in turn the means of production are controlled by the workforce rather than by capitalists.
Isn't it just controlled by the state than? Aren't the top 3% not just switched from capitalists to politicians/dictators?
>Also communism is supposed to be democratic.
Source? I remember Lenin saying something bad about democracy but I can't really remember
And also, what is bad about private property? Is it only bad when it leads to capitalists exploiting the mass or always bad? I like the idea of private property
>>28329665
>Israel is basically the last non-US country supporting the US embargo on Cuba
>Communism is Jewish
>There's even anything wrong with being Jewish.
>>28329665
Almost fell for it.
>this comment is not original
>>28328862
>implying UKIP are far right
fucking kek, UKIP are moderately right wing and basically free market libertarians with some conservative aspects, the BNP are a far right party. Although UKIP are the best alternative currently
>>28328706
>>People are equal
There are no different classes of wealth.
>>No one has to be unemployed and no one is exploited with nonsense like unpaid internships
People are forced to work and earn a premeditated wage
>>Stable economy
kek
>>More inclusive and strong communities.
>Inclusive
There's that word again
>>No competition AKA getting cucked by Chadimir
Chadimir will still get babes, what makes you think you'll suddenly become in any way desirable?
>>Efficient allocation of resources.
No. Every communist government so far has been hillariously bad with their management
>>28328706
>communism is the solution to all your problems
>undialetical plebs ITT
communism is still far away from us, several nations are still underdeveloped and work has not been automated
>>28329049
Killing the man who started the liberal reforms is really fucking dumb
>tfw I have an internship this summer that is most likely unpaid
>>28329440
>Actually the state would guide you to a career that it seemed like you would enjoy or at least be able to do well.
Sound wonderful.
>>28329669
>Isn't it just controlled by the state than? Aren't the top 3% not just switched from capitalists to politicians/dictators?
Yes, you could say that but you'd ignore the fact that the inequality is reduced drastically. Whilst the minority of party members would be a little more powerful and better off they wouldn't enjoy the insanely lavish lifestyles of the bourgeoisie in the capitalist world.
Not to mention this is just really in the historic cases of socialist states, in theory the party could be much more open and the workers much more independent.
>Source? I remember Lenin saying something bad about democracy but I can't really remember
Lenin was massively critical of the kind of bourgeois democracy that we have in the western world, but democracy has always been held (in theory anyway) as inalienable from socialism.
And technically the USSR was democratic, but the failing of being a single-party state is that all you can really do is approve or not-approve the people nominated for positions by the party.
>what is bad about private property? Is it only bad when it leads to capitalists exploiting the mass or always bad? I like the idea of private property
Private property exists so that people can harvest surplus value from their workers or rent from their tenants.
If exploition isn't happening then it's not really private property at all, it's a socialist commune localized to that specific spot.
It's an idea that doesn't really need to exist, people are perfect qualified to run their own lives democratically and entitled to the fullest value of what they produce.
>>28329681
>implying that leading Bolsheviks weren't majority Jewish, financed by Jewish western banks.
>Lenin was at the very least part Jewish and spoke Yiddish in private
>Leon Trotsky was Jewish
>Rosa Luxembourg was Jewish
>Grigory Zinoviev was Jewish
>75% of Commisars were Jewish
>Christian Churches were burnt but Synagogues weren't until Stalins last few years of power
>The NKVD leader who murdered the Tzar was Jewish
>Lev Kamenev was Jewish
>First president of the USSR Jacob Sverdlov was Jewish
>"waaah I want communism because I don't want society to oppress me on how lazy I am!"
>that autistic mentality about how laziness is something you can't help, therefore I should be given the same reward as everybody else
Just fuck off you hilariously pathetic retards.
>>28328818
Yeah, but not the means to distribute it you retard.
>>28329461
Lad... Communism has never worked, maybe in a few hundred years when 90% of jobs are done by machines, but not now.
>>28329789
All attempts to enact rational laws about property have put out from the bay of love into a desolate sea of regulations. Even Socialism and Communism cannot be excepted from this. Everyone one is to be provided with adequate means, for which it is little to the point whether one socialistically finds them still in a personal property, or communistically draws them from a community of goods. The individual's mind in this remains the same; it remains a mind of dependence. The distributing board of equity lets me have only what the sense of equity, its loving care for all, prescribes. For me, the individual, there lies no less of a check in collective wealth than in that of individual others; neither that is mind, nor this: whether the wealth belongs to the collectivity, which confers part of it on me, or to individual possessors, is for me the same constraint, as I cannot decide about either of the two. One the Contrary, Communism, by the abolition of all personal property, only presses me back still more into dependence on another, viz., on the generality or collectivity; and, loudly as it always attacks the "State," what it intends is itself again a State, a status, a condition hindering my free movement, a sovereign power over me. Communism rightly revolts against the pressure I experience from individual proprietors; but still more horrible is the might that it puts in the hands of the collectivity. Egoism takes another way to root out the non-possessing rabble. It does not say: Wait for what the board of equity will - bestow on you in the name of the collectivity (for such bestowal took place in "States" from the most ancient times, each receiving "according to his desert," and therefore according to the measure in which each was able to deserve it, to acquire it by service), but: Take hold, and take what you require! With this the war of all against all is declared. I alone decide what I will have.
>>28329715
>There are no different classes of wealth.
There is in the capitalist system.
>People are forced to work and earn a premeditated wage
Are you sure you're not thinking of capitalism?
>kek
The USSR did have a very stable economy, until Gorbachev started being a retarded and his liberal capitalist reforms fucked everything up.
>There's that word again
So it is.
>Chadimir will still get babes, what makes you think you'll suddenly become in any way desirable?
Marx actually talked a little on this in the Manifesto. Sexual promiscuity is the vice of the bourgeosie.
Not to mention when you don't have people trying to market unhealthy produce to you, and everyone is raised to be fit, healthy and social from birth with the support of the state there'll be fewer KV incels running around.
>No. Every communist government so far has been hillariously bad with their management
Contrary to capitalist propaganda they were absolutely fantastic. Except of course when leaders started doing stupid shit like Khrushchev's agricultural policy.
>>28329740
The world is ready for socialism at least. At this point capitalism in the western world is only surviving on ideology and social-democratic compromises.
>>28329801
i don't see the problem desu, jews are the smartest ethnic out there
Communism, as well as democracy is utopic, so it's not possible.
You can't change the filthy nature of mankind.
Communism is a literally impossible concept because human nature naturally makes us want to take advantage of our environment.
>>28329801
As I say, there's nothing wrong with being Jewish.
>>28329826
Such is the failing of capitalism. It simply cannot distribute resources effectively which is why socialism is the necessary progression.
>>28329847
Communism has worked wonders in every society which has adopted it. The very fact that Russia went from a third-world level backwater to superpower in a single lifetime is a testament to the economic superiority of the socialist system.
>>28329912
>>28329903
Human nature is a product of the material conditions in which humans live.
Of course if they live in a society which encourages an additude of being selfish people will act selfishly.
>>28328706
>being economically illiterate
>being a collectivist statist stooge
no thanks
>>28329983
>Ancaps
No, please don't.
>>28328706
>People are equal
Only one line in and it's already complete nonsense.
>>28330029
The thing about communism is being less-abled doesn't matter, people get to be treated equally.
>>28329995
I fucking hate this shit so much. Somebody disagrees with your point and you immediately resort to "lol ur alone, faggot".
One of the many reasons why i despise comroaches.
>>28330052
kek, touched a nerve
>>28330052
Sorry if it offends you.
It is my only zesty anti-ancap meme.
>>28329887
>There is in the capitalist system.
Yeah. I meant that the goal of communism is the lack of a class system, not anything about petite-bourgeoisie spooks.
>Are you sure you're not thinking of capitalism?
what are Neets
>So it is.
Indeed. It's directly incorrect though because, as said, LGBT issues are petite bourgeois made up issues to seem like people have problems.
>Marx actually talked a little on this in the Manifesto. Sexual promiscuity is the vice of the bourgeosie.
I assume that that's why bydlos in general have a lot of absent fathers and single mothers with babies from several different bydlo men.
>Not to mention when you don't have people trying to market unhealthy produce to you, and everyone is raised to be fit, healthy and social from birth with the support of the state there'll be fewer KV incels running around.
For some reason I find that very hard to believe. Perhaps because there's no argument at all against food suddenly becoming healthier when it's so cheap and efficient to just pump everything with corn syrup.
>Contrary to propaganda it worked untill it didn't
You don't say?
>>28330082
>what are Neets
People that exist because capitalism is massively declining in the first world.
> It's directly incorrect though because, as said, LGBT issues are petite bourgeois made up issues to seem like people have problems.
This is true, hence why Cuba legalized gay marriage in the 70s without making a fuss about it.
>I assume that that's why bydlos in general have a lot of absent fathers and single mothers with babies from several different bydlo men.
I wouldn't doubt it, Eastern Europe following the return of capitalism is a haven of prostitution and porn because there's no a need to sell your body.
>For some reason I find that very hard to believe. Perhaps because there's no argument at all against food suddenly becoming healthier when it's so cheap and efficient to just pump everything with corn syrup.
Because you're not worried about maximizing profits anymore, you're worried about getting everyone fed well which means more of an interest in meat, vegetables and staple foodstuffs like rice or grain.
>You don't say?
Yes, it was going great until they started thinking maybe this capitalism stuff isn't so bad.
Evidentally they were wrong.
>>28330223
No, I think human nature is constantly changing with history to reflect the material conditions of humans.
I don't know where you got all that from.
>sees an ancap
>I disagree with you because you're alone in life
Listen anon, I ain't no ancap, but that's a pretty normie argument you got there.
>>28328706
>gibsmedat
how about no, how about you do some fucking work NEETSCUM
>>28330151
>People that exist because capitalism is massively declining in the first world.
Capitalism isn't a lifestyle. Society is capitalistic and has been ever since agriculture. The only reason NEETs exist is because people abusing the system to keep themselves from starving
>This is true, hence why Cuba legalized gay marriage in the 70s without making a fuss about it.
That's why Engels openly despised it right :-DDDD
>I wouldn't doubt it, Eastern Europe following the return of capitalism is a haven of prostitution and porn because there's no a need to sell your body.
Not relevant in any way. Talking about loyalty, not organized crime.
>Because you're not worried about maximizing profits anymore, you're worried about getting everyone fed well which means more of an interest in meat, vegetables and staple foodstuffs like rice or grain.
Why would people buy healthy food, when grain and rice is allready cheap and baking healthy bread is so much cheaper and better than buying bread rolls?
>>28330285
I'm not saying people shouldn't work, as a matter of fact I'm saying lazy bourgeosie shouldn't get to profit off everyone else's hard work.
>>28330282
I realize that, but the "economically illiterate" line is so overused that I just had to save it.
>>28328775
>>>28328752
>Bernie Sanders is not a communist,
He basically is and it a complete joke and is retarded
>>28328706
>No one have property.
>No one can use computers 24/7.
No m8. I'll pass.
>>28330303
>Capitalism isn't a lifestyle. Society is capitalistic and has been ever since agriculture
It isn't, capitalism is simply the latest progression of society following the end of feudalism and the rising power of burghers.
>That's why Engels openly despised it right :-DDDD
You don't have to agree with everything every communist ever said.
>Not relevant in any way. Talking about loyalty, not organized crime.
Once again this is a failing of capitalism.
Capitalism leads women to go after the most empowered mate, be it fitter, more socially well-adjusted, more wealthy. Men are more or less made into a means of social advancement. Likewise in capitalism the already empowered will seek out the women of their underlings as Marx, and everyone on /r9k/ will point out.
To abolish this system, is to strengthen the bonds between partners.
>Why would people buy healthy food, when grain and rice is allready cheap and baking healthy bread is so much cheaper and better than buying bread rolls?
They wouldn't have to for exactly the reasons you just said?
>>28330358
Okay, when has Bernie sanders ever said that private property has to be abolished and the workers should control the means of production?
>>28330370
That's personal property, not private property. Communists don't want to steal your toothbrush.
>>28330070
"lol umad"
>>28330072
It is fairly zesty, I'll give you that, but it triggers me
>>28329931
>The very fact that Russia went from a third-world level backwater to superpower in a single lifetime is a testament to the economic superiority of the socialist system.
Russia was always a big player in europe. Especially in the 18th, 19th century
>>28330417
>It isn't, capitalism is simply the latest progression of society following the end of feudalism and the rising power of burghers.
People have always exchanged goods and services for money my friend.
>You don't have to agree with everything every communist ever said.
>You don't have to agree with the founder of communism to be one
>Capitalism leads women to go after the most empowered mate, be it fitter, more socially well-adjusted, more wealthy. Men are more or less made into a means of social advancement. Likewise in capitalism the already empowered will seek out the women of their underlings as Marx, and everyone on /r9k/ will point out.
Sure. That would not change inbetween communism and any other system though. Why would a system of government (More like a religion heh) make women suddenly want to seek out the bottom rung of the ladder? Let's just face it, people will still go after looks and social standing, like they do in Bydlo groups. You still won't be Chad. In fact your cahnce to be Chad isn't even possible through wealth anymore.
>They wouldn't have to for exactly the reasons you just said?
.. You are aware that baking bread is allready much cheaper and staple foodstuff like rice and noodles are cheaper than an oven pizza, right? There's nothing stopping people from eating healthy.
>>28330489
Yes, but it was also always dirt poor and generally required the assistance of another great power to keep it from getting steam-rolled by more western nations.
>>28328775
Rosa Luxemburg was an unbelivable cunt though.
>>28330504
>People have always exchanged goods and services for money my friend.
This is true, but what makes capitalism capitalism is how trade and industry are controlled by private individuals rather than arms of the state.
>>You don't have to agree with the founder of communism to be one
You have to agree with him on what constitutes communism and other ideological matters to be a communist. His feelings on gays are simply irrelevant.
>make women suddenly want to seek out the bottom rung of the ladder?
Because there is no bottom rung of ladder.
>.. You are aware that baking bread is allready much cheaper and staple foodstuff like rice and noodles are cheaper than an oven pizza, right? There's nothing stopping people from eating healthy.
Because as I said in the first point on this those are marketed to you whereas baking your own stuff is not.
communism is a scam
Its actually super bad for robots too.
All the wealthy Chads work inside the party while proletariat robots have to slave away for a loaf of bread. Also there is no concept of NEETbux and loitering is actually punishable by prison sentence.
>>28330607
Apart from the fact that she cucked her husband why is that?
>>28328706
Ok, commiefags, one question. If communism only works when there are no leaders/leader organs, then how do you start the communism?
>>28330624
>All the wealthy Chads work inside the party
Does this guy look like a Chad to you?
>y while proletariat robots have to slave away for a loaf of bread
tbqhwym the idea that everyone in the USSR got shitty pay and there were mile-long breadlines are largely myths caused by western propaganda.
>Also there is no concept of NEETbux and loitering is actually punishable by prison sentence.
There doesn't need to be unemployment benefits when everyone has a job, and there's no reason to loiter when everyone has a house.
>>28330623
>This is true, but what makes capitalism capitalism is how trade and industry are controlled by private individuals rather than arms of the state.
... Anon, you seem to imply that state capitalism is something communists strive for? Have you read up on your own ideology?
>You have to agree with him on what constitutes communism and other ideological matters to be a communist. His feelings on gays are simply irrelevant.
LGBT rights obviously seem to affect communism though since you listed it as a pro, when in reality the founder of it was very very anti homosexuality, calling it equal to pederasty.
>Because there is no bottom rung of ladder.
What do you mean by this? Why would the foul smelling quasimodo suddenly be just as conventionally attractive as a Chad? Would you suddenly start masturbating to syphilis victims just because the vanguard party is in power?
>Because as I said in the first point on this those are marketed to you whereas baking your own stuff is not.
People are not controlled by commercials, sorry to say. And even then, at least in Sweden, there's commercials for buying the ingredients to good old bread. Not as if it's given up on.
>>28328706
Communism is pure delusion and anyone who believes in it is either underage or literally retarded
Hierarchy has always existed and will always exists because some people are simply superior to others
>>28330514
Yep, I agree. Russia was one of the latest countries that canceled the right of feudal lord of owning, selling, judging and killing his underlings.
>>28330696
Communism is an extreme distant future concept when society is so automatized and everyone is so accustomed to the socialist way of living that the state simply has no purpose anymore. There's nothing it can really do so there's no point to even pretending it's there anymore.
I imagine it would be a gradual process with the state slowly giving people more independence in the face of automatization of industry.
>>28330637
Because she started a movement that consisted mostly of dropped children and cost many people their lives' work or even life itself?
>>28330725
>... Anon, you seem to imply that state capitalism is something communists strive for? Have you read up on your own ideology?
No, and I'm not sure how you gathered that from what I said.
I was referencing feudalism where the majority of the land was owned by empowered aristocrats.
>LGBT rights obviously seem to affect communism though since you listed it as a pro, when in reality the founder of it was very very anti homosexuality, calling it equal to pederasty.
If you want to fuck men up the arse communists aren't going to stop you. And as far as I'm concerned having the freedom to do that is a good thing.
>Why would the foul smelling quasimodo suddenly be just as conventionally attractive as a Chad? Would you suddenly start masturbating to syphilis victims just because the vanguard party is in power?
tbqhwyl being ugly isn't that much of a hindrance to forming relationships. The main problem people encounter is their social skills, and communism with it's very strong social communities would make great advances in teaching people naturally how to not be beta.
>People are not controlled by commercials, sorry to say. And even then, at least in Sweden, there's commercials for buying the ingredients to good old bread.
1. They more or less are
2. Sweden is an extremely healthy country.
>>28330808
The only thing the German communist revolution did wrong, was not win.
>>28330870
>No, and I'm not sure how you gathered that from what I said.
>I was referencing feudalism where the majority of the land was owned by empowered aristocrats.
>Rather than the arms of the state
that's my problem right there.
>If you want to fuck men up the arse communists aren't going to stop you. And as far as I'm concerned having the freedom to do that is a good thing.
Engels woulda :^)
i gtg eat
>>28328706
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
Communism and fascism are the same thing. Millions of innocent people die in the name of both, and if you deny that then you're a fucking idiot who doesn't deserve to be listened to
>>28330758
You are implying that automatization of industry equals socialist society. But what about the owners of the means of production? It would only give them more power, so you would either have to heavily restrict them, which requires governemt, or you end up with extreme capitalism.
>>28330893
>that's my problem right there.
Aristocrats were arms of the state in feudal society.
>Engels woulda :^)
Yeah well Engels has been dead for quite some time now.
>>28330907
>Horseshoe theory
Centrist-nonsense and it's an embarrassment to mankind that so many people take this shit seriously.
>>28330919
No, I'm saying automatization of industry is inevitable in any instance and is the road to full communism.
> But what about the owners of the means of production? It would only give them more power, so you would either have to heavily restrict them, which requires governemt, or you end up with extreme capitalism.
This is the thing.
Automatization of industry under capitalism can, and will lead to more extreme capitalism. Thus making a Marxist revolution totally inevitable in the facing of the massively growing inequality.
But this is the thing about socialism, the means of production are to be controlled by the workers making this a non-problem.
>>28330892
Calling this atrocity a communist revolution is like calling Ferguson riots a communist revolution. It was just a bunch of mentally hindered alcoholics stabbing people and stealing their shit while calling themselves proud names.
>>28331000
The Spartacists were good boys who dindu nuffin.
>>28330938
So if youre not far left or far right youre an idiot? Either you dont understand history or you're denying it, either way your political opinion is irrelevant and useless
>>28330987
About full communism, watch "Suisei no Gargantia" anime.
>>28330987
But how do workers gain control of the means rightfully? Because there is no justification for seizing them by force, doing this would create a power imbalance in society, especially that communism shares a very important notion with capitalism, that is you have to earn what you have.
>>28331069
Here's what I'm trying to say when I talk about Centrist nonsense.
So many people who would identify with the centre hold it up as the ultimate of politics and say stupid shit like
>Communism is nice in theory but we need a mix of socialism and capitalism
>We gotta change the system from the inside
And the worst of all
>muh horseshoe theory
This idea is absolutely retarded, it points to the most superficial aspects of socialist states and says they're like Nazis. North Korea being the prime target of this despite the fact that these retards haven't gotten the memo that NK don't even pretend to be communist anymore.
Not to mention the Nazis that they hold up as far-right were in fact centrists. They were just extremely authoritarian. Actual far right would be people like Ronald Reagan who are indeed the exact opposite of communist.
>>28331018
Is that an argument or what?
>>28331134
>How do the workers gain control of the means of production
By seizing them by force in a revolution in which they go on to control them democratically.
>power imbalance in society
What? If you mean because the bourgeosie don't have power anymore then good, that's exactly the point.
>especially that communism shares a very important notion with capitalism, that is you have to earn what you have.
In socialism, you have to contribute but the state will support you. It's not like in capitalism where everything is a matter of getting yours and fuck everyone else.
In communism society would be so automatized that more or less the only thing to do at work would be hang out with your mates and check that the robots haven't malfunctioned or something.
>>28330922
>Aristocrats were arms of the state in feudal society.
More or less. More like adversaries, in the way that they controlled private armies and land, literally the definition of feudalism. That said, borgare still existed. They were less prominent than they are now. But still. Blacksmiths were not state owned.
>Engels is dead
So is Marx.. I don't see your point? Stop being a revisionist.
>tbqhwyl being ugly isn't that much of a hindrance to forming relationships. The main problem people encounter is their social skills, and communism with it's very strong social communities would make great advances in teaching people naturally how to not be beta.
Proofs
>1. They more or less are
>2. Sweden is an extremely healthy country.
1. is incorrect, 2 . is irrelevant.
>>28331217
So if you vote to keep your kidneys, but Tyrone and Jamal vote no, then that's completely fine?
>>28331292
> in the way that they controlled private armies and land, literally the definition of feudalism
They controlled land on the behalf of the king, and their armies weren't exactly private but rather control of them rested with their lord rather than the top-most leader.
> That said, borgare still existed. They were less prominent than they are now. But still. Blacksmiths were not state owned.
This is true, and this is why the bourgeoisie eventually emerged from the burghers of feudal cities.
>So is Marx.. I don't see your point? Stop being a revisionist.
I'm not being a revisionist. Being anti-gay isn't some major pillar of communist ideology.
>Proofs
Proof of what? It's all pretty self explanatory.
>1. is incorrect, 2 . is irrelevant.
Okay, how do you figure that?
>>28331321
No, what kind of retarded question is this?
Individual humans and their material organs aren't something anyone would put to a vote.
>>28331360
>They controlled land on the behalf of the king, and their armies weren't exactly private but rather control of them rested with their lord rather than the top-most leader.
They still controlled the land, and much of a Kings work was balancing the church, the feudal lords, and the plebs. Yes, the lord owned the army, and the peasants, what else?
>This is true, and this is why the bourgeoisie eventually emerged from the burghers of feudal cities.
So you agree when I asy that private enterprise has always existed?
>I'm not being a revisionist. Being anti-gay isn't some major pillar of communist ideology.
It is however a part of it. And yes, it matters, even if the founder of communism is dead now. Of course it matters, you can't just bastardize communism untill it's no longer communism and call it a deal.
>Proof of what? It's all pretty self explanatory.
Well first of all very strong social communities. Why'd that spring up all of a sudden? And second of all, looks is more important than personality. I knew a complete autist who couldn't speak normally and played final fantasy most of the day but still got tons of attention, because he worked out the other third of the day.
>Okay, how do you figure that?
Marketing influences us, but does not rule our lives. If it did, BMW sales wouldn't go down after the scandal about cheating on enviroment friendlyness, for example. Why would Sweden be unique because it's a healthy nation? I mean, it is (thanks culture) but why'd that make a difference? Is raw resources like I posted not readily available in the rest of the world?
>>28329983
>He believes only his math-ignoring austrian shits who nobody acknowledges today are right on economy
Why are ancaps so illusioned
>>28331375
You are the owner of your body. You are also the owner of the machines you bought.
>>28331508
They controlled it, but it's not entirely correct to call it private as the aristocrats were part of the feudal state.
>So you agree when I asy that private enterprise has always existed?
Yes, but capitalism hasn't been the prevailing system since the dawn of time.
>It is however a part of it. And yes, it matters, even if the founder of communism is dead now. Of course it matters, you can't just bastardize communism untill it's no longer communism and call it a deal.
They kicked free-love people out of the first international because considering it a big ideological deal is silly, it really does not matter either way.
>Well first of all very strong social communities. Why'd that spring up all of a sudden?
Because people are no longer divided on material issues and are generally encouraged to be nicer to each other, this is exactly what happened in the Soviet Union.
>And second of all, looks is more important than personality. I knew a complete autist who couldn't speak normally and played final fantasy most of the day but still got tons of attention, because he worked out the other third of the day.
They both matter, which is why I also mentioned the state supporting a good diet and fitness as important. But really looks alone would not get you in far in relationships as social ability as /fit/ has proven.
>Marketing influences us, but does not rule our lives. If it did, BMW sales wouldn't go down after the scandal about cheating on enviroment friendlyness, for example
Marketing is extremely influential and when it comes to what commodities people consume because doubly important. For instance despite in blind taste-tests Pepsi consistently being rated as the superior cola Coke continues to dominate the market because of pure marketing, it has become so ubiquitous because of it's campaign that it would be near impossible to wrest domination of the market from it without an equally massive marketing campaign like Irn Bru has accomplished in Scotland.
>people are equal
Lol fucking dropped
>>28331657
Just one last thing
> Why would Sweden be unique because it's a healthy nation? I mean, it is (thanks culture) but why'd that make a difference? Is raw resources like I posted not readily available in the rest of the world?
I'm saying it's not surprising that baking your own bread is marketed in Sweden because Sweden is extremely skinny and conscious of what they eat.
>>28331633
> You are also the owner of the machines you bought
Yes because the state endorses your claim to it and for literally no other reason.
>>28331693
No different in communism.
>>28331719
Communism wants to get rid of spooky memes like private property.
>>28331693
Give me a justification why something I created, or received in exchange for something I created should be forcibly taken away from me and given to the masses, other than "it's only yours because of social constructs".
>>28331984
So that your employees can control the total fruits of their labour and their own working conditions.
>>28331729
>le spoog :DD
>muh sdirnurrr
>>28331729
>using stirner memes while arguing for communism
>claiming communism wants to get rid of spooks
>>28332095
Stirner in recent years has been loved by everyone from every political ideology.
>>28329505
Communism is universal, fascism applies to a certain people.
>>28332023
But if it is done by robots, it is not their labour but mine, for I created/received the robots through my labour.
>>28332312
No, the proletariat created the robots.
>>28328706
In this world-
even a Soviet one-
there will always
be rich and poor.
Rich in gifts...
poor in gifts.
Rich in love...
poor in love.
Now get out faggot.
>>28332407
>The nomenklatura of the USSR are in any way comparable to the capitalist bourgeoisie in terms of wealth.
>>28328706
Daily reminder that capitalism has to collapse before communism is going to work
>>28332506
Yes, hence the importance of revolution to cause capitalism to collapse and transition to socialism.
>>28332539
>revolution to cause capitalism to collapse
Who exactly said that?
>>28332620
Every communist ever.
>>28332660
>>28332660
I don't know a lot about communism, but I thought only one type of communism wanted a worker revolution?
>>28332023
theyre too stupid to do that
>>28332698
Every type of communism wants a worker revolution, Marx is very explicit in his call for revolution most notably in the Communist Manifesto.
Leninism however is definitely the king when it comes to stressing the importance of revolution.
>>28332735
No they aren't, on the count that they work at their jobs on a regular basis they're certain to know how to run it better than someone who just happens to own the place.
>communism has never worked le may-may
communism is a theoretical stage of future development after socialism you fags
burgerclaps really are just the fucking stupidest
>>28332735
>the people that do all the work are too stupid to know how to do the work they already do
wew lad
tell that to all the people who were under soviet union, they would beat you to death
>>28332620
Marx and Egels
>>28329824
isnt it hilarious that communists actually believe in ''he who does not work does not eat'' but here you are accusing them of being lazy
>>28330433
>That's personal property, not private property. Communists don't want to steal your toothbrush.
A house is private property, and look what they did in Doctor Jivago.
>>28328706
>People are equal
>ly worthless under the jewish/chad government
wow it's fucking pointless
and what do you think happens to the sexual market when labour and the property of an individual belongs completely to the state?
It becomes entirely based on genetics. Capitalism at least gives the opportunity to intelligent robots to operate at their maximum intellectual capacity in hoarding resources to attract a mate.
>>28328706
OK, how do we get rid of the normies? There is no way in hell this shit will work with the mindless swarm breathing down our necks.
>>28329715
> communist government
show me the communist government. All I see are dictatorships with semi-good social systems.
>>28328706
Nice try, Goldstein
>>>/pol/
>>>/tumblr/
Just stoppimlng by to say that the fundamental problem is population control which leads to unstable economy and distribution of wealth. Call me dumb but the second the gov starts controlling population like China, standards will be better.
