A girlfriend should be your friend, too. The word "friend" is literally in the term. Yet, why do we have to treat girls like dogs just so they love us? Why can't we look to lean on her in times of need or when we just feel down? Why are we not allowed to treat girls as humans? Why can't we be unafraid to be ourselves around the one we love?
Why even have the word "friend" in "girlfriend" anymore?
Because girls don't want a friend, they want a guy who can give them safety and comfort.
No woman would want to be with an emotional whiny bitch, you're a man, you're not suppossed to show feelings and girls aren't supossed to care about them
>>26591945
This is why school shootings happen
>>26591945
Shit. What's a good way to destroy all emotions
>>26591945
hookers < girlfriends then
>just wanted a girl who cared for me
I've been lied to all my life. They care nothing for personality. I'm just a shiny toy that barfs up money for them.
>>26592043
Drinking a lot. A LOT.
>>26591961
Question for all you "toxic masculinity causes school shootings" faggots
Why was there virtually no school shootings 50 years ago when society was more masculine as a whole?
Men were the active party in a relationship, didn't need let their emotions spill out, treated their wives like wives instead of "best friends", played sport and were competitive back then, and society was fine.
It very much seems like toxic femininity is the problem...
>>26591945
>tfw emotional and whiny
>so much so that even if a girl throws herself at me I won't accept it because I'd find something about her to be uncomfortable about
I was created to be an evolutionary dead end
>>26591945
>No woman would want to be with an emotional whiny bitch
I understand this, but fuck, we all have moments where we feel sad. Why should we be afraid to turn to the ones we love on the occasion this happens?
>>26592370
Blame disney and fiction. It showed something that looked a lot more desirable on paper but in real life is impossible
>>26592426
>in class discussing this one day
>girl says she would never date a guy that cries
>it would only be acceptable if one of his parents died, and even then they would have to be silent tears
>read story on 4chan where his gf's dad dies and she cries
>short time later his mom dies and he cries
>she dumps him for it saying she can't date a guy who cries
>>26592523
>crying over the death of a parent is unattractive in the eyes of women
what the fuck? goddamn, kinda hard to be stoic about something like that
>>26592370
Men and woman roles became fucked.
Women started demanding men to be less sexist and more sensitive, beta males started acting like that because if a girl says it, it must mean I can get laid, but it turns that girls still prefer the assholes and those beta males turned into orbiters (a thing that didn't even existed back then), and there aren't many ways out of that, the lucky ones learn what they were doing wrong and start acting like men, others wonder why girls don't go for the nice guy until they end here or in reddit and some others marry a landwhale or singlemom
>>26592370
Anyone who ends their posts in ellipses...is an idiot.
The main reason there weren't school shootings back in those halcyon 50s is that it was much more difficult to become completely alienated from typical society, which is the common trait between all school shooters. No matter who you were, your coworkers/neighbors would involve you in society because they'd lack anything better to do in the absence of facebook/twitter/whatever, and the outsider would go along with it because they also wouldn't have facebook/twitter/internet forums/4chan/etc to reinforce their alienation from society, they would just submit to the larger cultural norms and there would be no problems for the most part.
Of course that only applies to white Americans of the time frame, there was plenty of violence going on for other kinds of people in that same era.
>>26592713
also back then dating was a bit easier and even the not so confident and hot guys found girls simply because they asked the girl's dad if it was okay
my gf is my closest female friend
>>26592713
This, the internet did a great job of alienating people.
>>26591945
Wrong
I just want to be with someone I can admire and be with through thick and thin
I had a gf when I was younger who was pretty much my best friend
She was super self conscious and had terrible anxiety from years of bullying and I think that helped it a little because we both acted like huge spergs
ITT: people without girlfriends complaining about "modern relationships" as if they know anything about it
People are still friends with their girlfriends, you autists. My gf is my best friend.
>>26591902
Im sorry, I just have to post this episodes of Teen titans,
its late at night, calm down, watch this episode and go to sleep
http://kisscartoon.me/Cartoon/Teen-Titans/47?id=548
>>26592785
>>26592844
you two probably just got lucky.
i've never had a gf myself because i am everything girls don't want. the more i read about women and dating the more i get scared and want to put a bullet in my head
>>26592904
yup, not gonna make it
>>26592928
That's a mean thing to say.
Please be kind to the less fortunate
>>26592928
my desires in what i'd want in a girl are a delusion. i'm gonna die alone and unloved, why not control my own destiny and end it all
>>26592713
So you are saying that the internet is causing young men to neglect developing social skills, leadership skills and general life skills.
They never gain traits like assertiveness and outgoingness.
Traits that are traditionally considered masculine.
So that just reinforces my point.
All the ills of society can be traced back to men not being men.
>>26592972
Sociopathy and machiavellianism is pretty fucking manly. People say autists are weird for being unemotional, but an autist with game would probably be hot for most women because they don't display emotion
>>26592877
https://www.sendspace.com/file/i93ygu
>>26593132
For reference btw tbqh
>>26593014
>an autist with game
"Game" is all about noticing and responding to social cues, reading people etc - things which genuine autists fail at
>>26592904
>you two probably just got lucky.
>i've never had a gf myself
how would you know then? It's the same case with just about every couple I know
>the more i read about women and dating the more i get scared and want to put a bullet in my head
stop doing that familia, try it yourself instead of reading shit about women/dating that was probably written by bitter lonely guys
>>26592736
that, and fewer of us were fat
>>26592877
why this friend and brother
>>26591945
why do you guys think the only way to express your feelings is by being an emotional whiny bitch?
you can express your feelings in a constructive, mature, and masculine way. being a crybaby is for women.
>>26591945
>No woman would want to be with an emotional whiny bitch
Then why do lesbians exist?
>>26592972
What I'd say is that you very quickly and conveniently changed what you blamed for school shootings. In that initial post it was "overwhelming femininity" and now you agree with me in that it was just changes in the technology that the culture of humans had available to it. It doesn't reinforce your initial point at all to now agree with me.
And also, what I'd say overall for the point is that why there's school shootings now is a much more complicated question than one or two key factors and deserves more thought than a 4chan post with a character limit can really give it. If you're looking to blame it on one factor, such as a perceived decline in "masculinity" (whatever that means), you're shortcutting mental work and will never find real answers to anything.
>>26593277
Because women are cuter than men
>>26593247
and fewer of us used Reddit
>>26591902
>That image
>Roastie dectected
>>26593231
>stop doing that familia, try it yourself instead of reading shit about women/dating that was probably written by bitter lonely guys
that shit was written by guys who drown in pussy. women love manosphere and alpha red pillers. truth is most women are shit. women would be better with male brains while retaining femininity
>>26593263
some of us can't help being like that. try strggling with depression for years
fuck it, i'm killing myself when my parents die. my role in life is to be unlovable
>>26593290
I agree with you in that technology has feminized men and the way to fix that is to encourage men to embrace their masculinity
It's really not that hard to understand
>>26593333
>try strggling with depression for years
i do have depression. and i've done an excellent job of hiding it from absolutely everyone in my life. it's pretty easy to not whine. no one but you has to know that you are sad.
>>26593333
At least you got some nice quads.
Also if you're so hung up about being unloveable you should at least try asking someone out, who knows, you got nothing to.lose
>>26593355
sometimes the lack of comfort, love and having have someone have your back is why you feel the way you do
>>26591902
Do women make good friends to a man?
Can women understand the plight of a man, and the loneliness attached to being one?
Where does the worth of a man lie?
>>26593374
yeah i realize that, but whining about it won't help.
>>26593231
>how would you know then? It's the same case with just about every couple I know
You can learn as much from failures as successes (on a statistical basis)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Pretty much why I want a GF. Someone I can confide in and be intimate with that will accept me for the piece of crap I am. The world scares me and I cant handle society alone
>>26593336
>and the way to fix that is to encourage men to embrace their masculinity
Wow. It's just that simple!
>>26593401
no
suicide is my only bet
i'd require a ton of self improvement just to be loved. and even then there's no guarantee. it's a race against the clock. missing out in my younger years destroyed me. i don't even have any friendsi'm so alone. fuck i hope i don't try
>>26593439meant cry, not try
>>26593377
Not really, but I think that's the bonus of female friends; they have an outside perspective on your problems.
Men have no worth. Nobody does. We might as well all be dead already.
>>26593439
what areas do you think you need to improve in and why
>>26591902
that's what close male friends and relatives are for
you can lay it on them and chances are they'll understand or at least know where you're coming from
>>26593456
not being overweight and being fucking shredded instead
not being shy, introverted kind and sensitive
being masculine, dominant and not giving a fuck
getting a driver's license
not having pimples
living on my own
not crying at work
having irl friends and not only online friends ill never meet
>>26592340
This is why I'm killing myself.
>>26593463
She's supposed to be the one you love the most. Shame you can't be fucking human around her.
When I get a girlfriend, the moment she cries about something, imma dump her and tell her to fuck off for being a whiny little bitch. Even if her dad dies or some shit. See how she feels.
>>26593453
>Not really, but I think that's the bonus of female friends; they have an outside perspective on your problems.
Do they? They must understand our problem first to have an informed perspective?
I don't think they understand to begin with, sadly. They also tend to not try to understand.
When they try they realise the pure horror of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_Vincent#Self-Made_Man
>Men have no worth.
How can a man have no worth but his mother wastes so much to raise/carry him?
>>26593543
>How can a man have no worth but his mother wastes so much to raise/carry him?
She's your mother. She, like your father, is supposed to love you. Your mother is the only woman that would die for you (granted she is a good mother).
Love you, mom. Wish you were still here.
>love us
they dont love anyone but themselfs
only exception is their kids, but thats not guaranteed either
>>26593489
that's not that much in the grand scheme of things, man. none of these things are impossible.
some of them are definitely difficult, but not impossible.
really the only thing you need to do is get motivated to do these things you want to do. and obviously depression makes it impossible to get motivated, though. i would suggest therapy. it seems like you really need someone who you can talk through your problems with, and you aren't going to find that here or anywhere else on the internet or even from hypothetical IRL friends.
>>26591945
>safety and comfort
Only latter is true
>>26593525
i just want to let you know, that contrary to what is being said in this thread and espoused on this board, most women are cool with men expressing emotion/crying/being vulnerable. obviously you can't throw a temper tantrum like a woman does, but you can shed a few tears and talk about your feelings every once in a while.
>>26593654
Women actually prefer that you do this. If you don't, they'll think you don't trust them.
>>26593654
I actually don't throw temper tantrums and my tears don't tend to be angry.
>>26593669
you're good then
women are crazy, but they aren't as crazy as /r9k/ makes them out to be, and many of them have some impressive streaks of being semi-reasonable
>>26593654
That sounds really fucking gay. I don't even want to do it.
>>26593774
i absolutely agree, i'm just saying women are cool with it. there are, however, much better ways of expressing emotion and working through problems, particularly for men.
>>26591902
>a dog is not a friend
>literally called "man's best friend"
You are such a piece of shit it isn't even funny OP
>>26592370
No I meant this kind of thread is why school shootings happen family
>>26591945
>>26592370
>>26592972
>>26593336
>>26593434, this is why the red pill is a thing. To make men, well, men again.
>>26593806
>there are, however, much better ways of expressing emotion and working through problems, particularly for men.
That's the bit I haven't figured out yet
>>26593851
it's for some reason been popularized that women's method of crying and throwing tantrums and talking about problems rather than solving them is the end all be all of emotional maturity. for me personally, i like self-reflecting and making myself aware of my ego while relaxing in a lazy boy recliner.
>>26593903
I would think temper tantrums are unattractive in both genders.
How come you just don't get women who are interested in feminine beta males or something
Trannies can get gfs, you can too
>>26593929
they're certainly unattractive, but women's temper tantrums are tolerated. think about how many women you've seen cry and scream in public like a child begging their parents for candy at the grocery store. now think about how many men you've seen do the same.
>>26593963
>How come you just don't get women who are interested in feminine beta males or something
because they don't exist, faggot. well they do but they're post wall women who want beta provider losers like us because they can't fuck chad anymore
>>26593968
Temper tantrums regardless of who they're from make me feel very uncomfortable. I can't deal with that shit unless she steps back and cools off a bit
>>26591902
You can, but you just gave to treat her like trash the first year.
You can model her to be what you need after that whole abuse.
>>26592043
Come with me and I will teach you the ways
personally I just don't like the 'dog' aspect and I CAN'T get over it
someone please help me
How can I stop feeling like relationships with women are an economic exchange? It always feels like I must provide something to the girl, beyond just 'me' in order for a girl to like me
it makes me feel like shit and worthless. I try to harden up and rationally make myself conscious of the fact that it only hurts because I am the one that valued the validitation of females in the first place, and if I didn't care if females didn't like me then I wouldn't even think about it. But, I just can't help but valuing whether females like me or not. So I inevitably get hurt.
I'm also a horrible person because I only care about whether attractive girls like me, and I don't really want a gf anyway I feel uncomfortable around everyone so always being around someone seems like a burden and hard work, and I'm not interested in sex, I just want the self-esteem boost that comes with females validating me.
Really the solution to the problem is dismantle the ability to be validated by females. if a girl liking me or not liking me makes no difference to my self-esteem, I would not care about women one bit. I'm selfish I suppose, in the end it all comes back to ME and how I feel
truth be told I don't even think I have the capacity to care about another person beyond the effect they have on myself. could I really care about someone elses happiness or pain, even if they were irrelevant to how I personally feel? I don't think so and the reason why is that I have very little 'mirroring' of others feelings. I suppose for most people, especially those in relationships, when one partner is sad, the other person feels the same sadness to a degree and it is through this mimicry that the 'care' for the other person is acheived. the partner tries to make the other person happy again, and when this happens the happiness is mirrored in the person. for me I don't have this capacity to mirror other feel
>>26594191
And this is literally why the girls always treat it as a relationship they're getting something out of
It can be sex or money or emotional support or making them feel attractive or validation, but modern culture treats relationships as transactional and this is what you get out of it
When I was younger and had no friends, I wanted a girlfriend that also had no friends. We could bond over our loneliness. We wouldn't have to be lonely anymore. We could be shut ins together, watching movies, playing vidya, fucking, laughing together, etc
Then I realized this is all a fucking delusion and that there are no girls like that
Fuck women. It's better to not have a girlfriend, just have a bunch of ONS's with sluts and have quality male friends than have a girlfriend. Or fuck hookers and escorts. You get none of the bullshit of a relationship, the sex from the sluts, and true, loving companionship from your bros. Chad's got the right idea.
>>26594288
I share your dream.
All the girls in the movies who are beta loner girls will eventually find chad boyfriends.
Beta girls would rather be alone than be with another beta. I've heard it straight from their mouths multiple times.
>>26593132
>>26593162
I haven't seen you post in months. I never actually tried it
>>26594402
>it's late calm down and watch this tv show
What
>>26594398
>Beta girls
beta and alpha do not apply to girls, as they are the prize and do not have to work for guys. they can have qualities though, and i'd argue a girl with beta traits would be much more attractive than one with alpha traits
>>26594411
>What
I don't know. This anon usually just shills his game/story/adventure about some girl from teen titans on here. He hasn't done it in months. People usually don't respond to his threads
https://desustorage.org/_/search/filename/terr34/
>>26594398
>Beta girls would rather be alone than be with another beta. I've heard it straight from their mouths multiple times.
Agreed, all women despise betas
Exactly OP, that is why you only make someone who accepts you as a friend your girlfriend. You need someone who likes you enough to want to be around you, regardless of material possessions/social status to be your girlfriend. You should not settle for anyone to be your girlfriend who isn't willing to be your friend as well.
Maybe I'm speaking from the priviledge of having found a partner who is so like me that we were bestfriends before we were romantic, but I have been on the other side of the fence as well.
Had an ex who I haf nothing in common with really but I still cared for her on an emotional level, and of course on a physical level. I was always there to help her through her personal baggage but when it came time for me to rant or vent my emotions, I didn't recieve the same attention. Hell I dont even remember her ever asking how I was doing. Broke up with her when I realized how one sided the relationship was.
Had another who was essentially the same story. Only wanted me to hear her out and be there for her, but not the other way around.
It wasnt until I met my current gf (dating 3 yrs) that I realized that worthwhile partners are out there. Shes been wonderful and totally accepts me for me. She listens to me as much as I listen to her. So much so that I get frustrated because im not used to talking about how I feel with the opposite sex, that I keep a lot of my emotions bottled up without realizing it. But shes showing me to open up, and she makes me want to be a better person.
Love and companionship between people has to be a two-way road for it be healthy imo. If you meet someone who isnt supplying the support you need emotionally, don't waste your time.
On the other hand, one should learn self-restraint and some control with their emotions. Meaning, you shouldn't pour out your soul every couple of days to your companion and vice versa. Emotions themselves can be extremely tiresome.
Balance is the way to go.
Tldr; don't settle for bitches
>>26594398
I'd also rather be alone than with an ugly girl.
Can't really blame them for not liking balding twitter SJWs or whiny robots.
>>26594191
To dismantle the need for validation by females I learned as a child that I can never have it. That validation was not meant for me. An impossibility. That helped me get by the most. Now, I see how that survival action has crippled me. I cannot unsee how I am only given attention or validation when I am providing a use for a female.
So when I receive attention I know they aren't seeing me and I remain alone.
I wish I wasn't sentient.
>>26594505
beta does not equal ugly. you can be beta for many reasons.
>>26594348
I disagree since I got a gf, I've been able to hit this hot piece of ass any time of the day. Even a single chad can't always have sex 24/7 with minimal notice like you can with a gf.
>>26594553
Cant tell if sarcasm
>>26591902
That character looks a lot like Hiro-tan.
>>26593654
>but you can shed a few tears and talk about your feelings every once in a while.
>I can shed all the tears and talk about any fucking feeling I want here
>on a fucking tibetan wool knitting penpal group
something is very wrong
>>26591945
>>26591902
Reminder that when it comes to women, most r9k losers will trust shill posts made by trolls over any amount of evidence, experience or common sense.
>I heard it said on r9k!
>Woah bro, it must be true
>Literally dumber than third world peasants
>>26591902
"Treat your girlfriend like a human, and she will treat you like a girlfriend." Is that right?
>>26595379
What's wrong with being treated like a girlfriend?
>>26595389
Nothing, if that's your fetish.
>>26591945
>Because girls don't want a friend, they want a guy who can give them safety and comfort.
that is literally what friends do
>>26591902
People seriously need to stop compressing their images to shit.
>>26591902
>Why even have the word "friend" in "girlfriend" anymore?
You shouldn't. They make horrible friends.
The only way to keep a girl around is to play bullshit macho games and wear masks and the quickest way to get dumped is to show the tiniest sign of vulnerability.
It's not worth it. If the game is rigged then don't play, anon.
>>26593263
>you can express your feelings in a constructive, mature, and masculine way
What the fuck does this gobbledigook even mean? Just piss off already I'm so sick of failed normalfaggots
>>26591902
>Yet, why do we have to treat girls like dogs just so they love us?
Because they're bitches, obviously.
My bf is my only and best friend though
>>26591902
>Yet, why do we have to treat girls like dogs just so they love us? Why can't we look to lean on her in times of need or when we just feel down? Why are we not allowed to treat girls as humans? Why can't we be unafraid to be ourselves around the one we love?
Women are attracted/aroused by power/dominance. Women are turned off by weakness/submissiveness. Simple as that.
If she doesn't look up to you, she looks down on you. That's true for women preferring taller men, and true for power in a relationship.
If you look to her for help, you look weak. She wants a strong man who can kill anyone who threatens her kids. She doesn't want another kid (who is as big as a man).
If you treat her like a human being, you look weak. If you're rude, you look powerful.
Women loathe doormats.
Women use betas as emotional tampons and don't have sex with them. Women use alphas for sex and alphas don't give a fuck what women are thinking.
Married women like to "train" their men to do their bidding, but they typically fall out of love with them in the process. Once she's locked in a submissive guy to pay for things, she's free to go find strangers that actually turn her on.
It's just the way it is.
>I want you to feel sorry for me that I have to pretend I'm not interested in a girl even if I actually am, that I must take my time responding to a girl's text message when I'm eager to talk to her, and that I'm forbidden to compliment her during the most intimate moments we experience in bed. All of that goes against my natural instinct.
>>26595880
xDDDDD LE FUNNY R3DDIT JOKE!!!!! xDDDDDD
Fuck off.
> it's a red pill theory echo chamber thread
Non of this shit is surprising any more, anyone who has ever browsed this board has heard all this shit a million times. How are you not numb yet? Why do we keep arguing in circles?
>>26591945
>Because girls don't want a friend, they want a guy who can give them safety and comfort.
They want neither.
When a woman says "can we just be friends?", she doesn't want to fuck you.
And women are not turned on by safety/comfort. They are thrilled by excitement/danger.
Think of a rollercoaster. It would be safer to just stand there on the ground and watch everyone screaming on the rollercoaster. But any woman would be happy to leave her "safe" boyfriend standing on the safe ground, while she rides on some exciting rollercoaster with some new Chad.
If you can't excite her, she will find a guy (or girl) who does.
>>26595930
thats normal
women are cunts so they cant make friends and attach themself to a guy thinking he is his friend
see how fast hes gone once you turn ugly or deny sexytimes
hes not your friend dumb whore
>>26592340
>I've been lied to all my life. They care nothing for personality. I'm just a shiny toy that barfs up money for them.
Pretty much.
Women have evolved to take. Think about it: she spends 9 months getting as fat as possible to make a new human. And she wants to eat meat during that time. So she needs a killer with a shiny blade to do it for her. But since humans hunted most large mammals to extinction, now she needs a guy with a killer instinct and a big wallet.
And she has to devote all of her caring to her offspring. Not you. You're a disposable tool to her.
Men are the hopeless romantics. Men write the love songs. A woman will never love a man as much as a man loves a woman. A woman's love is completely conditional, and conditions change.
Thousands and thousands of years of evolution have made it so a woman has to be prepared for her man dying at any moment. And when he does, she has to immediately find a better mate (who is often the barbarian who murdered her old mate). She has to be able to swap out mates in an instant.
>>26595741
>that is literally what friends do
Yes, except that the girl doesn't provide it in return, you stupid fucking roastie cunt.
>>26592370
>Why was there virtually no school shootings 50 years ago when society was more masculine as a whole?
Christian values. Murder is a sin. With the degredation of Christian values and the rise of atheism, nothing is a sin, and more and more people think that sin does not exist. Then it becomes "do what you want if it feels good", "I got mine", and "fuck everyone else."
And public school is often where people are exposed to kids whose parents do not share in those Christian values. Where good kids are exposed to bad kids.
School is a artificial hellhole and public school should be eliminated to eliminate school shootings.
>>26592713
>The main reason there weren't school shootings back in those halcyon 50s
Or they fought in the Korean War.
>>26595985
What the fuck in there was a reddit joke?
>>26592844
>My gf is my best friend.
It won't last.
And you're not even married. Who gives a fuck?
"That shit can be ended with a phonecall."
>>26592904
>the more i read about women and dating the more i get scared and want to put a bullet in my head
No woman is worth dying over.
And as soon as you start believing that, girls may even like you more.
Try looking for a girl who lets you do that. Just dump the roasties that want you to behave like shit.
>>26592972
>All the ills of society can be traced back to men not being men.
So feminism is to blame for misleading generations of boys?
>>26593277
>Then why do lesbians exist?
because all women are bi.
>>26596160
normie dectected
>>26591902
Because you're going out with someone way above your standards and will ignore the fugly trollbitch for the attractive cuntrag. Deal with it cunt.
>>26595991
There's always hope that once, just once, someone will come in with definite proof that red pill is not the be-all and end-all of male-female interactions, and that our fantasy dreams of good relationships wth people who actually care about us can be real instead of a life of either PUA or loneliness.
>tfw all "how to gf?" advice on the internet is either SJW shit or PUA
>tfw go offline for advice and it's "jus b urself"
>>26593290
The media propagates coverage of school shootings, and shooters become famous.
There have been tons of school shooters who idolized the Columbine killers.
The 24/7 news cycle means these nobodies are suddenly given a soapbox for their views and everyone knows their name.
>>26596111
>FRC faggot bitches about "fuck you, I got mine"
>Ties societal ills to moral erosion just like every pastor has done for the last several centuries, only caring about being on-message rather than attacking the true root of the problem
>Wants to eliminate public school, eliminating opportunities for millions and forcing them into poverty, just so that his message can be the only one
Fucking Pharisee.
>>26593434
To summarize what women want:
>I want a real man, not a boy.
>>26596246
>To summarize what women want
Cool, come back when you're a feminine virgin woman
>>26593543
>How can a man have no worth but his mother wastes so much to raise/carry him?
A mother is given very strong doses of neurotransmitters so she won't kill her kids (although some do).
No woman will ever love you as much as your mother.
Another woman doesn't want to be your mother. She wants a man to look up to you, not a full-grown son.
If women wanted whiny, sensitive faggots they'd all be lesbians
>>26591902
In a capitalist society there are no friends, only human capital to be exploited for personal gain desu.
>>26593567
>Your mother is the only woman that would die for you
this.
yet there are guys willing to die for their girlfriends.
men are the expendable gender.
over 90% of the people given awards by the carnegie hero fund are male.
a mother may sacrifice for her children. but it's much less likely that a woman will sacrifice for some mate.
>>26593654
>most women are cool with men expressing emotion/crying/being vulnerable.
They say they are. They think they should be okay with it. It sounds good in theory. It sounds like so much equality.
But it's a bad idea to look weak in front of any woman you have any desire to be with.
She wants you to be her rock, not the other way around.
When she says
>I want you to be vulnerable with me
She's like a tiger waiting for an animal to expose its soft underbelly. She's looking for a chink in your armor.
She'll probably bitch and say
>I feel like you don't trust me
But that's just an excuse for her to cheat.
>>26593807
Yeah, if you want to be loved, get a dog.
Dogs are also loyal.
>>26591902
>>26592043
>Shit. What's a good way to destroy all emotions
Date a mentally ill girl/fembot. If you don't kill yourself you'll be devoid of emotions afterwards
>26594191
>How can I stop feeling like relationships with women are an economic exchange? It always feels like I must provide something to the girl, beyond just 'me' in order for a girl to like me
To stop feeling that way you can live in denial, because what you're feeling is the cold hard truth.
Women don't love you for you, they love what you do for them, what you give them, what you provide them. They literally take penis into their bodies, take sperm into their bodies, and take food into their bodies for 9 months, and gain as much weight as possible, in order to make new people. Take take take is her default. She might start giving to her kids. The Spice Girls said it all:
>If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
>Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.
>I just want the self-esteem boost that comes with females validating me.
Your worth as a human being does not depend on women. Find another way to measure your self-worth.
>I really care about someone elses happiness or pain, even if they were irrelevant to how I personally feel? I don't think so and the reason why is that I have very little 'mirroring' of others feelings.
>for me I don't have this capacity to mirror other feel
You sound a bit autistic. Have you ever had a dog before? You might like it. And you might learn a bit more about empathy.
Oftentimes people who have suffered the most can feel the most empathy, because they know what it's like to be in someone else's shoes, they've been there, they've experienced it.
>>26594500
>It wasnt until I met my current gf (dating 3 yrs) that I realized that worthwhile partners are out there.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but you're only bf/gf.
Eventually she'll say she doesn't love you anymore because she doesn't feel that "spark" anymore. You're too much of a partner, too safe.
>>26594553
Is this a joke?
Is that picture a joke?
I've heard that guys in long-term relationships do have more sex though.
>>26596458
Lol you don't even realize how detached I am from these proceedings. I am 8 levels of irony deep and this whole thing is funny to me on a level you will never understand. I bet you feel foolish posting all that shit don't you? Please reply
>>26595847
>the quickest way to get dumped is to show the tiniest sign of vulnerability.
This.
Open your heart to her and she will open her legs for someone else.
She doesn't want to hear about your bleeding heart. Bleeding is for pussies.
>>26595991
There are plenty of males who have never heard it, like OP.
That's because they mistakenly believed all their lives what females said they wanted. That was just a trick to separate the men from the boys.
>>26596215
>our fantasy dreams of good relationships wth people who actually care about us
If you want someone to care for you as much as you care for them, that's pretty much only (a subset of) gays. If you want to be with someone who thinks like you, you'll have to pick someone with the same brain from the same gender.
Men and women think different.
Male brains have 23 billion neurons, female brains have 19 billion neurons, 17% less.
Male brains have 175 trillion synapses, female brains have 110 trillion synapses, 40% less.
>>26596226
And the true root of the problem is?
Public school doesn't give people opportunities. A high school degree isn't worth shit. Fast food slavery is an opportunity?
But public school does lead to huge amounts of peer pressure, bullying, negative social influences, bandwagonism, pointless consumerist one-upmanship, and a great vehicle to indoctrinate the populace of a country into nationalistic myths about "exceptionalism."
>>26596254
I'm not a woman. I'm explaining what women want.
>>26596425
Yeah, dating a girl with borderline personality disorder should do it. A year after it's over there will just be numbness.
>>26596536
I don't really care about trolls or bait, because I start from the truth and argue from there.
Trolls can say whatever they want, and my points still stand.
I never feel like a fool for replying because other people can read it too.
>>26591902
Women are buggy ever since civilization because they still have some hardwired preferences that conflict with civil ones
>turn gay
>girls suddenly like you
what the fuck.
fuckign whores
reeee
>>26597125
>turn gay
fucking fag lmao
>>26597125
That's because it's a novelty to them and women are entertained by gays, and attracted to guys who don't care what they think and ignore them.
Also, many gays hate women and women hate women so they have that in common, besides vapid shallow fashion and celebrity gossip.
>>26594500
So,now people admit to having relationships on /r9k/.I`ll go with the obligatory REEEEE NORMIE GET THE FUCK OUT,and hope you get the hint,fampai.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/adv/
OP, what are you on about??? You people watch low budget porn all day and think it reflects actual human interactions...
>>26596067
This so much.
Women are disgusting animals who get turned on by bloodshed.
>>26595974
Why do guys even bother with relationships at this point?
You're literally cucking yourself if you treat women as anything other than a disposable cumwhore.
>>26597804
>Why do guys even bother with relationships at this point?
>You're literally cucking yourself if you treat women as anything other than a disposable cumwhore.
If she's irreligious, I don't know why.
But a young rural religious girl still has some potential to be a good mother some day, if, and it's a big if, she isn't influenced by the mass media at large before she meets a guy.
>>26596067
>tfw you lie to yourself that it's any other way
>it feels good in the moment but some of those nights you just realize that you're romantically isolated in this world
>you have love to give and you have a need to love but it's like you're the last of your kind
I wish some woman could truly trick me into thinking she loves me. I don't even care if she replaces me. I'l just off myself.
>>26598329
>I wish some woman could truly trick me into thinking she loves me.
When a someone says she loves you, it's almost always a trick.
Women just "love" men for different reasons. I mean, men are butt ugly. So it's got to be about what he can be used for.
>>26598447
>men are butt ugly
Maybe I do find some men Aesthetically pleasing even though I'm straight. I don't see why that's relevant at all though. It's not about that. It's about how women don't seem to care about your personality other than how it benefits them. They don't look at a man and find him intending and lovable because he's himself. It's because of how he relates to others.
Stuff like what you find in Mirai Nikki isn't real. Sure, she's absolutely mental, but she does express many emotions that I'd describe as true love. It's not about how Yuki is a great guy who shows much potential to be anything she simply likes him for who he is. This is a very common theme among Shonen. Often there's a struggle through out the series where the female character is initially attracted to the superficially preferable choice (badboys like Sasuke) but gradually turn around to liking the 'lesser' choice. Usually that's a confirmation of mutual love at that point.
I think that's because guys (target demographic of Shonen, I think there's something similar about moe but it's more masturbatory) feel that that's something they're lacking. Especially Otaku who has nobody who's currently tricking them. What's Seinen about? Usually girls who don't consider themselves 'top tier' who are attracted to the popular, hot and kind guys and get their love eventually. There's drama and relationship intrigue but that takes the place of action and cool shit in Shonen.
This can be extrapolated to western media as well, but it's not as clearly divided in most cases. Fifty shades of gray and Twilight would be my go-to. But I can't think of Shonen equivalents atm.by the way if there's a twist in Mirai Nikki past the four first episodes don't spoil plz. I don't want to watch because I'm too invested in the characters and death really has started to scare me in anime
>>26591902
WHO DOES NOT TREAT THEIR GIRLFRIENDS AS FRIENDS? WHO DOES NOT TREAT GIRLS AS EQUALS?! FUCK OFF TO TUMBLR WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!
>>26598780
>Intending
Intriguing
>>26596226
Have you seen public schools nowadays?
Why do you think the left is so opposed to things like private school vouchers? Because it takes away their brainwashing center hegemony.
>>26598780
>anon preaching to the choir
It's a nice explanation but this information has to get out there. Most guys don't get it. Most women think men are interested in sex (because they interpret favors /kindness as a means to the bed and the sexual intercourse as him satisfying himself). This stuff can change. We just need to smash the matriarchy who demands us to be everything irrelevant.
>>26591902
>why do we have to treat girls like dogs just so they love us?
You don't
next question
>>26594500
>don't settle for bitches
Says the immature faggot who went through several failed relationships and left a trail of broken sluts
>>26596695
>got to
>>26596298
Biggest red pill in this entire thread of incoherent babbling
>>26598780
>Maybe I do find some men Aesthetically pleasing even though I'm straight. I don't see why that's relevant at all though. It's not about that. It's about how women don't seem to care about your personality other than how it benefits them. They don't look at a man and find him intending and lovable because he's himself. It's because of how he relates to others.
I think most people can tell when someone of their gender is good looking.
But for heterosexual males, they're mostly attracted to youth/beauty in females. He doesn't care if she's popular, he doesn't care where she works, he doesn't care about her social status, he doesn't care if she's poor. He falls in love with her looks. He's seduced by her looks. That's why so many women are devastated by aging and their looks vanishing.
For women, while they do like muscles and looks (which are ancient indicators of fitness and resources), now it's more about entertainment, status, money, being a leader, social proof (which are still indicators of resources). So they don't love him for him, they love him for what he can do for her. He's a tool she can use, or someone to show off to her friends, or someone to be her clown and entertain her so she's never bored. And women hate being bored, and almost none of them know how to solve it without a man (or something invented by a man).
And they do care about personality because they want strong, not weak. So rude guys trump nice guys. Mean guys trump caring guys. Aloof guys trump attentitive guys. They see nice and caring and attentive as desperate, weak, a push over, spineless, a doormat. She wants to tame a beast and seduce him to make him care only about her. Not try to find the backbone in a jellyfish.
>>26599579
I can't take this shit anymore
I'm outting of this crazy game, one way or another
>>26598780
p.s. Would just like to say that I'm not blaming women for this. Their priorities are theirs, maybe they can't even change it. I just wish there was something available that's more I'm line with what I wanted.
>>26599579
Yeah. I did say they do care about personality, but only towards their own goals, not out of a sense of empathy. I guess I call it that? Empathy, I'm not even sure our language has words that convey this well. I'd say love but that's clearly not specific enough.
I like your post anon. It's a bit 'shallow' (doesn't go deep enough to convey the entire meaning) because there's no clear better or worse in how females perceive personality. It's just that the reasons behind what they like are wrong to me.
I'd much rather they'd care about things like looks almost entirely rather than this reproduction oriented stuff. Because you can sort that or you can't. Some girls would have to settle for you even if you're not an aesthetics god. With these priorities there's no upper limit. Your ultimate goal is effectively world conquest. Hopefully they stop caring about how close you are to that at some point but it's far harder than just getting fit. Which certainly is work, but it's not 20 years of business/politics/ingenuity/manipulation.
>>26591945
I'm an openly bisexual manlet and always kind to everyone, not a mean streak in my body. I've been in relationships all my life, being "nice" has never been a problem - other than accidentally leading people on.
Seriously, you people want a tip? Stop looking for partners and start making friends, instead. Friends fuck all the time, the friendzone isn't real, it's just sometimes someone doesn't want to fuck you.
Start treating women like actual people, accept that everyone doesn't want to fuck you and your life will be much better.
>>26599990
Jesus I'm tired. I'm even contradicting myself. It doesn't matter if you're good enough, if you've conquered the world. That's what they cared about. That's when they can start to judge you on other merits. It's extremely expensive dating at best and you're practically single for that time. It's about the initial priorities always.
>>26600005
>the friendzone isn't real, it's just sometimes someone doesn't want to fuck you.
That's the definition of being friendzoned. Unless you consider the friendzone a holding place for beta orbiters she can look up when new Chad dumps her.
>>26600105
If someone wanted to fuck you before you became friends, they'll want to fuck you after becoming friends. Friends fuck all the time.
>>26591945
You can ask someone for support without being a whiny bitch. Girls like it when you share your feelings, but obviously if you're clingy or weird it's going to drive anyone away.
>>26600005
What you're saying isn't 'there's no friendzone' you're saying the friendzone isn't bad. But you're also misunderstanding the friendzone. It's about not letting someone go where the they've fallen for you. It's keeping their hopes by not rejecting a friend who's clearly not gonna be satisfied with just being friends. It's not how you should be dealing with people. And it gets very deceptive from the POV of females because they do tend to consider males in their surroundings potential partners if the current fails.
What should be happening is you distance for a while and then you can be friends but explicitly are never gonna have a real relationship. It leaves the friendzoned in a much fairer position since they now have a mutually agreeable relationship or none at all (also mutual in some sense).
Also friendzone had been a meme for quite a while now. I'd understand if you disagree. But there's being friends and being friend zoned. The meme version doesn't make the distinction.
>>26596133
Puns are reddit tier humour, reddit.
>>26593463
>that's what close male friends and relatives are for
What if you don't have any? And all of your close relatives are women? What you're scared to talk to men because they'll judge you and call you a faggot for not being like them?
>>26598799
Actually, you fuck off to tumblr with YOUR bullshit there, friendo :^)
>>26600245
learn to be friends with both women and men, learn how to deal with your feelings (like, physical and emotional intimacy between friends, men and women alike) and you won't fall completely for someone you don't even know.
Your definition of friendzoned is.. what, falling for someone who doesn't love you back? Shit happens, but if this keeps you from having functional non-romantic relationships you've got an actual issue.
Pursuing a romantic relationship because the very notion of being alone seems terrifying means you'll be unable to have an actual meaningful relationship, at least until you deal with that shit.
>>26600498
In short then: the problem with a friendzone isn't that you have friends who don't feel the same way about each other in and of itself. It's about how irresponsible it is to just let people who are in the vulnerable position of having fallen for someone just be there when there's no hope or not enough hope. It's not kind. The suggested solution is probably not perfect. It's an attempted solution. Point is that you're not really friends if you don't care about people enough to do that for them.
Some would blame the person in love. I can see that, but they're still friends, friends help each other. It's not some trade were you just let the other person buy shit off you for way above market price.
>>26600479
>call you a faggot for not being like them
Ditch them then? I don't know what you're concerned about specifically but I don't see why you see it as such a big risk. You can have friends or no friends. If you try for friends you might get friends or douchebags. If you get douchebags you get rid of them, only lost some time.
His post makes no real sense though.
>>26600631
I agree that it's probably best to just firmly tell someone who's fallen for you that you don't share their infatuation, although I myself struggle hard with this. It's not leading someone on to have a "back up", though, I just cannot stand hurting people. This is something I'm working on, getting in touch with my feelings and actively working on my fear of conflict.
I wouldn't say we're talking about a "friend zone", though, just that we're different people: you fall hard and fast, I build up relationships over time. We're both struggling, just on different sides of the same coin.
>>26599304
That was the whole point dumbass.
>>26596506
Implying being bf/gf is a commitment most faggots can keep for 3 months max. I've seen marriages between other "adults" that are more loose than couples who arent. Same the other way and around. Bf gf doesnt have much to do with it.
Besides, OP was talking about a gf bf relationship, whuch is what I was referring to.
>>26591902
>>26591945
I sent a snip of this post and first response to all of my female classmates
All of them said that anon #2(>>26591945) is right.
FML
>>26600498
>Your definition of friendzoned is.. what, falling for someone who doesn't love you back?
No. Women invented the friendzone. Women put men in the friendzone. "I think we should just be friends."
It's not "let's just be friends, and oh by the way, friends fuck all the time." No. It means sex is off the table. She sees you as a friend, not a lover, not a romantic interest.
I mean, from a guy's point of view, it may be that he's fallen in love with a girl who doesn't love him back. But from her point of view, it's "I don't see you in that way" or "You don't turn me on" or "I'm fucking someone else right now, and I'd rather be with them, but in case that doesn't work out, I'd really appreciate you waiting for him to finish fucking me and then maybe I'll consider you, or maybe I'll consider you when I'm 35 and I'm past the wall and I have 2 kids by another man, so don't think be mad at me, we can still be friends kthx."
>>26600858
Wouldn't say I fall hard and fast. In the hypothetical I do. But that's just convenience for discussion. Of course it's harder to see if someone loves you or is just your friend if progress happens slower. I don't blame people who don't see. I blame people who care so much about themselves that they don't act like we'd like them to here, they're simply not friends to these people. Assuming they see.
>>26600955
>have female friends who'd respond to that
Hard to believe but fair enough. It's not like you're making some extraordinary claim.
>>26600941
If it can end with a text message, it's not a commitment.
Sure there are people like Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn who have been together over 3 decades without getting married. But that's a huge exception.
You say she accepts you for you.
I'm saying don't be surprised when she cheats on you with another guy who she does not see as a friend.
>>26601032
b-but I really though that being a puss is fine, and some qt would want to fuck me just because I'm really coolin fact I'm the whiniest douche ever.
So uh, it's been almost two years at uni, and looks like I have to be more rude and forward, and emotinally impenetrable to have sex.
I can't be so, I'm a shitty actor
Girls don't want friends, they want replacements for their fathers.
They are perpetual children.
>>26601108
Yep. Be more forward for sure if sex is your goal. Probably a good idea either way honestly. No point in getting into relationships that won't start until you're 35.
>>26600955
If by "safety" they mean a giant guy who can bash in anyone's skull and by "comfort" they mean a huge mansion, sure, most women will not turn down John Cena.
http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/5-myths-about-female-desire
>another new study by Chivers gave women hypothetical erotic scenarios involving either a trusted friend or a stranger. Though the women claimed to be more turned on by situations with a friend, a measure of genital blood flow suggested they were much more aroused by the strangers. The bottom line: Emotional intimacy is a great predecessor to sex, but you can't make the generalization that it's a requirement for all women.
>>26601113
This, senpairino.
>>26601197
Why
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y bother
>>26601197
>women can just fuck and enjoy it
How am I ever gonna compete with male escorts and artifical insemination now?
>>26601197
>Though the women claimed to be more turned on by situations with a friend, a measure of genital blood flow suggested they were much more aroused by the strangers.
Even in surveys, women can't help but lie about what their vagina wants.
>>26600966
I just don't think this is grounded in reality.
I've fucked and dated both men and women and it's the same shit, basically. Men often are so starved for intimacy they dump a lifetime of repressed feelings, expectations and longing on the first person possible - this is a huge problem. Not exclusively a male problem, girls do this too, but most women get an outlet for their emotions in friendships/family, which makes romantic relationships easier to handle.
>>26601324
>Even in surveys, women can't help but lie about what their vagina wants.
Exactly. There is a mind/body disconnect with many (if not all) women. There is what culture conditions them to say, and what their vagina actually says. And all women have anti-slut defense, they don't want to look like total whores, that's bad for their reputation.
See the book What Do Women Want. It cites many studies by Meredith Chivers.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/05/what-do-women-want-extract
>How to explain the conflict between what the women claimed and what their genitals said?
>As they enrolled in the study, Chivers' subjects identified themselves as straight or lesbian. They were shown images of sex between men and women, women and women, men and men, and a pair of bonobos (a species of ape). The subjects, straight and lesbian, were turned on right away by all of it, including the copulating apes. While they watched, they also held a keypad on which they rated their own feelings of arousal. So Chivers had physiological and self-reported scores. They hardly matched at all. Chivers' objective numbers, tracking what's technically called vaginal pulse amplitude, soared no matter who was on screen and regardless of what they were doing, to each other, to themselves. The keypad contradicted the plethysmograph entirely. The self-reports announced indifference to the bonobos. But that was only for starters. When the films were of women touching themselves or enmeshed with each other, the straight subjects said they were a lot less excited than their genitals declared. During the segments of gay male sex, the ratings of heterosexual women were even more muted.
>>26601324
>Even in surveys, men can't help but lie about what their dick wants.
see? it goes both ways, you fucking faggot
>>26601349
You're the bisexual arguing that friends fuck all the time. I don't think your experience is very applicable to straight males on this board, who may be virgins.
To escape the friendzone that a woman has put a guy in, he basically has to disappear for months (which "sex educator" Laci Green said) and become a stranger to her again, since again, women do not want platonic friends as romantic lovers.
>Though the women claimed to be more turned on by situations with a friend, a measure of genital blood flow suggested they were much more aroused by the strangers.
>>26601576
You forgot the link to the survey anon.
>>26601576
>>Even in surveys, men can't help but lie about what their dick wants.
>see? it goes both ways, you fucking faggot
No. Surveys of male arousal tend to match physical arousal.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/05/what-do-women-want-extract
>And with the men, the objective and subjective were in sync. Bodies and minds told the same story.
>Chivers put heterosexual and homosexual males through the same procedure. Strapped to their type of plethysmograph, they responded in predictable patterns she labelled "category specific". The straight men did swell slightly as they watched men masturbating and slightly more as they stared at men together, but this was dwarfed by their physiological arousal when the films featured women alone, women with men and, above all, women with women. Category specific applied still more to the gay males. Their readings jumped when men masturbated, rocketed when men had sex with men, and climbed, though less steeply, when the clips showed men with women; the plethysmograph rested close to dead when women owned the screen.
>>26601621
But in my experience women are about as likely to sleep with a friend as men. I've slept with a lot of friends, started dating some while others were just a drunken "thing". On the other hand I've made friends that started out as lovers, it goes both ways.
>>26601678
WEll fuck
you win this time
>>26601696
Because you're an alpha bro, you made it
My girlfriend and I are very good friends and that's why we have such a strong relationship.
I mean, we make each other laugh, we banter and tease each other and support each other emotionally while also disagreeing on stuff and either letting it be or working on it.
She's a friend that I can also bone. We are exclusive fuck buddies, and that's how it should be.
>>26592754
If you are a guy: doesn't matter what you want
If you are a girl: yeah, /right/
>>26601696
Yeah and you sound totally promiscous. And you considered *them* as friends.
It probably wasn't the woman saying "I only see you as a friend" or "I don't think we should sleep together because it would ruin our friendship" or "why can't we just be friends?"
I'm not saying people will not sleep with friends, but in general, when a woman wants to fuck a guy she will skip the whole friends part.
Women are turned on more by strangers than friends. A stranger is mysterious, potentially dangerous, exciting, thrilling. A friend is often a known quantity, safe, boring, like a brother.
>>26601752
No, he's the bisexual flight attendant who was AIDS Patient Zero.
>>26601769
>we make each other laugh, we banter and tease each other
And that's why you get to bone her. Women love playful teasing.
She's not your fuckbuddy because you can unload on her emotionally.
This threads pretty big so this'll prob be buried but I'm a girl and I adore the dude I'm with so much, when he was down and out and depressed and showed vulnerability and "weakness" it didn't change my perspective of him one bit. I think if you find the girl that loves who you are, showing her others less appealing sides of yourself won't make a difference. Here are the qualities that he has that makes my heart feel warm and fuzzy: he's open minded, kind-hearted, vulnerable, thoughtful, willing to communicate. I'm usually a sarcastic, cold person but he makes me not care about looking stupid or appearing "strong." Just my two cents. It depends on the type of person that brings out the best in you and the having the qualities you admire. This guy is an recluse, shy guy too. But I just look at him with so much love.
>>26601752
I'm a shortish (174 cm or so), bisexual, androgynous, constantly "nice" man, with shitty finances, according to this place I'd be a virgin till the day I die.
>>26601943
We do though emotionally unload on each other though. Just equally, and not a whole lot. We're not exactly emotional tampons on each other but we talk about literally anything and everything and have told each other pretty much everything so we're just best friends and really comfortable with each other, inside and outside the bedroom.
She's the first person she ever had sex with with the lights on and her bra off, that's how comfortable she is with me compared to previous sexual relationships, and I feel really proud of that. Also, her tits are amazing. The other guys have missed out.
>>26601858
I have a hard time saying no, that's true, but I've been in long, meaningful and monogamous relationships despite that. Me and my ex just separated after 5 years - we were best friends before and we're best friends now.
This shit isn't static, is what I'm saying. Your sexuality, your feelings, preferences, all of these things will change every now and then. A friend can turn into a lover can turn into a friend can turn into a stranger.
>>26602035
This guy gets it, this is what a proper relationship looks like.
>>26601946
Be sure to come back here when you cheat on him and give us your rationalization after the fact.
>>26601952
No, you sound like a total manwhore.
And didn't you hear? Androgyny is in.
David Bowie slept with 15-year-olds.
>>26602035
I'm sure that'll last.
>>26602077
>Me and my ex just separated after 5 years - we were best friends before and we're best friends now.
Oh really? Why'd you separate? But I thought OP said being best friends were what relationships were all about?
You're proving my point for me.
Is your ex a man or a woman?
>>26602295
But I'm also a soft, non-threatening "manlet" who dares to be emotional (granted I am depressed and suicidal which I keep to myself, most of the time), so not "alpha" at all. Why do women want to sleep with me?
>>26602327
I hope so too. It's still fairly new, we've been together since 21st december I think.
We're both pretty mad for each other.
One day I want to tell her I love her but I don't know when. It's my first relationship, but I have had one night stands before so I just don't have experience when it comes to relationships.
>>26602434
>Why do women want to sleep with me?
Because you're gay (or rather, half gay) and androgynous. And you sound like a player. Women are attracted to people with a long line of sexual partners.
And it's a grand joke of the cosmos that women often like gay men (or metrosexual looks) more than straight men.
>>26602485
>We're both pretty mad for each other.
Yeah, because it's been 3 months. Women can grow out of that euphoric rush lust phase pretty quick. They become habituated to a stimulus, like a 13-year-old looking at softcore pornography. Eventually the rush wears off and they get bored and want something new.
And the fact that you've been having sex for 3 months and haven't exchanged "I love yous" reminds me of this quote:
>Men use love to get sex, and women use sex to get love.
>>26601769
>We are exclusive fuck buddies, and that's how it should be.
And by the way, a woman's sexual favors are never exclusive to one guy.
>>26601349
>Not exclusively a male problem, girls do this too, but most women get an outlet for their emotions in friendships/family, which makes romantic relationships easier to handle.
Okay, so men basically are getting fucked over because they're not narcissistic enough to offload their emotions onto "friendships/family"? I don't get what your point is. You're basically saying yes, women are again pampered and coddled.
>>26602431
She's a woman. It was a mutual decision, mostly because we've been together so goddamn long. I personally wanted to be single during my early 20s because it's an important, formative time and important for your sense of self-worth/future relationships.
It was the hardest decision either of us had ever made, but the mature decision to make nonetheless.
Forging a relationship on the premise that it can never end is setting yourself up for disappointment, because sometimes shit happens, you grow away from each other, whatever. People change and you need to keep this in mind while dating.
>>26602653
>Forging a relationship on the premise that it can never end is setting yourself up for disappointment, because sometimes shit happens, you grow away from each other, whatever. People change and you need to keep this in mind while dating.
You're a fucking idiot and people like you are why civilisation is circling the drain.
>>26602640
No, you misunderstand. It's fucking crucial for a person's well being that they're allowed an outlet for their feelings and men are missing out on this. Seriously, one major difference between "the good old days" and now is that men used to be able to be intimate with other men (in a non sexual way) without it being shunned. Can you hug your friends? Could you say you love your closest mate? I sure as hell can and it makes life so much bearable.
Men are being fucked out of their full emotional range, accepting that you've got emotions and being able to talk about what you're feeling with your close ones is not being narcissistic, it's being human.
>>26602814
Huh, explain why that is? Sounds to me like you're longing for a fictional relationship with a fictional person that's going to make all of your problems go away, then neither of you will ever change for the rest of your lives and it's just not realistic.
>>26601946
> showed vulnerability and "weakness" it didn't change my perspective of him one bit
And how did he do this?
>>26602814
Oh, also, I'm not opposed to the idea of a lifelong monogamous commitment to a person, if it's the right one for both of the two involved. Sometimes "the one" turns out not to be the one, though, and this is a variable you have to accept. So many people are stuck in loveless marriages they should have ended years ago, instead of turning what started out as something beautiful into resentment and bitterness.
>>26602653
I guess 5 years is a long time for a bisexual manwhore, but I don't see how it was a "mature" decision (and sleeping with both men and women isn't a mature decision either, it's how the HIV epidemic started).
>Forging a relationship on the premise that it can never end is setting yourself up for disappointment...
It's not about that. But the end of a relationship is rarely a mutual simultaneous decision.
Here you spent all this time describing how best friends can fuck each other and now you're saying it's over.
You said
>women are about as likely to sleep with a friend as men
and yet you're not sleeping with your "best friend" anymore are you?
>>26603149
If you try to go through a relationship without showing emotions it's doomed to fail.
>>26602983
He's probably looking for a wife and kids, not serial monogamy and bisexual manwhoring in his 20s.
Whatever woman you were with is ruined now.
>>26591902
I dunno senpai, maybe society? I think originally it was supposed to be a demisexual thing, then the sexual revolution happened and now we have stacies. Nobody cares about emotional bonds, I just want a friend to lean on, to hold...
Well, I guess that's why they say "male comrades before promiscuous females" its better to have friends who care than women who want to leech from you (plus bonus cucks!)
>>26603280
I'm 22 years old, 5 years is about a quarter of my life, I'd say that's a long time when put into perspective.
What? No, I'm not fucking my best friend anymore because we decided not to - i.e we broke up. Doesn't mean our relationship wasn't great while it lasted.
>>26603323
How is he supposed to have a lasting bond with someone if he won't even acknowledge that his potential partner is a human being?
>>26603323
If you're so insecure you cannot be with a person who's had previous bonds, you are ruined from the start. Therapy might be good, dude.
>>26603411
But I thought women want to fuck their best friends?
>>26603599
What are you even arguing? Do you think I just friendzoned myself? We're not fucking because we decided we should stop, not because there's no sexual attraction. Like I said, we were friends BEFORE dating.
>>26603451
>How is he supposed to have a lasting bond with someone if he won't even acknowledge that his potential partner is a human being?
He can acknowledge it, he just can't act like it most of the time. He has to act like a total dick to her sometimes too. Women are messed up like that.
>I want you to feel sorry for me that I have to pretend I'm not interested in a girl even if I actually am, that I must take my time responding to a girl's text message when I'm eager to talk to her, and that I'm forbidden to compliment her during the most intimate moments we experience in bed. All of that goes against my natural instinct.
Women want to domesticate beasts, they don't want a guy to start out treating her like a human being. She wants to seduce a bad boy and reform him. She wants to turn a brute gentle (like Black Widow calming down The Incredible Hulk), not try to turn a mouse into a man.
But women are not built for monogamy anyway. Men invented monogamy, not women. For hundreds of thousands of years, if a woman cheated she could get pregnant, and raising another man's kid is a waste of resources. And women like guys who fuck lots of women.
>>26603599
..and if there was one thing I wanted to make clear from the start, it's that just like you don't want to fuck everyone, everyone won't want to fuck you. Some will, however, regardless of wether you know each other as friends.
Bonus round: sometimes you find yourself wanting to fuck someone you didn't before, sometimes you realize you don't want to fuck a person you used to. These things aren't written in stone.
>>26603545
She's ruined because she's had sex with a bisexual male who has had sex with men.
Men who have sex with men are the biggest carriers of HIV. She's fucking done. And I bet she won't even tell her future male partners that's she's fucked a guy who's fucked dudes.
>>26603671
And you're best friends now, according to you, yet you're not fucking. But I thought women want to fuck their friends all the time according to you?
>>26596161
Yes. Feminism is the root of a fuckton of problems in this day and age.
Problems that we didn't have until feminism and fucked up gender dynamics
>>26592043
It's not hard. Just be the most pessimist nihilistic fuck on the planet, but keep it to yourself.
>>26603743
But I'm living proof that women like "sensitive" and kind men, at least some. Some want to date a dickhead. Surely you realise that not all men think like you or even desire the same thing you do?
I'm currently sleeping with a woman who's always been attracted to muscular, tattooed men and who's genuinely surprised she's attracted to my girlish looks. I'm also certain women who've slept with me have done the reverse.
Have you never found yourself in a situation where you're suddenly attracted to/aroused by a person you normally wouldn't be?
>>26603815
See:
>>26603749
That's not what I said at all, I said being friends with someone does not mean you'll never fuck/date.
>>26603778
I'm clean, I use protection regardless of who I'm fucking, thank you very much.
>>26603979
"Protection" isn't foolproof and most STDs don't show symptoms, just FYI.
>>26604052
I also get tested regularly if I'm "sleeping around", like any responsible and sexually active adult should. I'm clean, never had an STD and don't plan on it.
Besides there's nearly 10 women for each dude I sleep with.
>>26604161
I also don't feel the need to justify my sex life, I'm alright with my situation even though I'd prefer to have less sex and more completely platonic relationships, but grass is always greener etc.
I just want to point out that "being yourself" isn't a meme, and despite your flaws there's someone who'll love you out there. Sometimes you also have to ask yourself "am I a fucking asshole?" and if your answer is "yes, i might be" - work on it. Be fucking nice.
>>26604161
You are literally cancer.
Have you ever heard of Gaetan Dugas?
Do you even tell these women you sleep with men?
Do those women even tell their partners they've fucked a guy who fucks men?
Kill yourself.
