Redpill me in trump Americans.
ls he really as bad as people make him out to be?
Here (England) people think he's like Bush mixed with Hitler.
Does he really stand a chance of winning?
Yeah everyone around here acts like he's Hitler but I live on a college campus, I'm not sure what's up with that. He never even legit said anything racist
>>24598438
>Does he really stand a chance of winning?
No. He's pissed off too many groups of people (especially groups Republicans count on) for him to win the Republican nomination.
Clinton will likely be the next president. Whoever she'll be running against is still up in the air though.
>>24598462
>never said anything racist
So saying that all Muslims should carry ID cards specifying that isn't racist? I suppose Muslims aren't a race but then again neither are Jews.
>>24598462
Didn't he call all Mexicans (and most Hispanics in general) criminals and rapists? Either way, he sure as shit isn't getting the Hispanic vote.
he is a meme candidate, he just exists to make us kek and stuff; i wouldn't take him seriously.
He is better than Adam Sandler tho
>>24598438
Well here is his main views on everything.
>Wants socialized healthcare
>Raise taxes on the rich and lower them for middle class and lower class.
>Wants to deport all illegal immigrants.
>Wants to build a huge ass wall on border with Mexico to keep out illegals.
>No income tax for anyone making 36k or less a year.(Its on his fucking website.)
>Wants to destroy monopolies and break up banks.
>Really huge on helping veterans.
>Wants NAFTA repealed.
>Really hates TPP
To be honest he seems center-left. His only riight wing views are protecting the constitution, deporting illegals, and wants to tax the ever living shit out of stuff made in 3rd world countries in an attempt to make companies move factory jobs back to the US.
>>24598438
>Bush mixed with Hitler
He's more like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks mixed with Mayor Quimby from The Simpsons.
>>24598561
He said Mexico doesn't send it's best people over here, rather than the criminals and the rapist. Now Hispanics that are over here tend to be generally against immigration, but that having been said I doubt he'll win even the primary at this point.
>>24598531
A reporter said that, not him. He just agreed later to the idea that muslim refugees should be registered with the government
>>24598561
He called illegal Mexicans that, which is statistically accurate.
>>24598562
shills are in full force tonight
>>24598438
He's a clear sign that the GOP has a lot of retards in it. I'm not even against certain parts of the GOP platform, but he is essentially a 12 year old in a billion dollar suit and advocating this knee-jerk loose cannon guy is asking for trouble. In a way I want to see him win just to see how he would deal with actual issues.
He wants socialized healthcare and all illegals deported. He also said he would only let muslim refugees in for a couple years max if they went on registry. After that he would deport them back. Sounds like my kind of candidate to be honest.
>>24598438
No, he's a good man with good intentions. He just wants to protect the country from crazy illegal immigrants.
He is not bush at all.
>>24598531
Your comment is stupid.
>>24598561
The illegals.
>>24598562
Obama was a meme, but look at him now.
>>24598607
This. But I'd say he's center right with a smidget of left.
>>24598462
Same here. Nobody I talked to knows what they're talking about.
>>24598517
Gaining and in the lead for five months with people still saying he'll fall off every time he says something new.
>>24598678
Beat me to it, I was just about to reply to them as well.
>>24598531
Jews are a race though
>>24598607
If only he would implement euthanasia to people based on their skin colour, he would be perfect
>>24598652
>Mexico doesn't send it's best people over here
Well yeah, no shit. Why move to the US if you're already living a comfortable life in Mexico?
The wall idea is stupid too. He underestimates how sneaky illegals can be (they literally have underground tunnels all over the place between the US-Mexico border), and even if a wall was constructed, they could still enter via the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific ocean.
He makes overly simplistic statements without any regard for actual nuts and bolts considerations such as cost and practicality. He's playing the public like idiots.
>>24598438
He's a faggot shill like the rest of them. 3 or 4 years ago people here would have laughed at the idea of him being president, but we've been constantly flooded with Reddit kiddies since then who think they're cool alternative revolutionaries because they spam epic maymays about a reality star.
>>24598791
If you look at his website he is going to tax the shit out of the rich to pay for stuff.
>>24598438
>All white people literally want to die and destroy recessive genes
>This man comes up to stop it
BUT MY CULTURAL DIVERSITY! I NEED MY MULTI-CULTURAL SOCIETY!!!11 I NEED ALL THE TRANNIES, ALL THE MUSLIMS, ALL THE TRASH!!! HE'S SO RACIST!
>MULTICULTURALISM PROGRESSES SOCIETY
He's not part of the cabal. The media has been trying to demonize him, but he's a good, compassionate, funny guy.
>>24598438
Here is the reality of the situation. If the media hates his guts you know automatically he is a great candidate.
>>24598845
kek, what planet are you from? Retards from /pol/ are the ones that shill Trump. If anything, reddit kiddies would be shilling Sanders or Clinton.
>>24598901
>compassionate
No. He's a bully, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is ones opinion.
>>24598438
he can't win the nation, the nomination maybe
>>24598889
But like even if you had all the money in the world, it's not as easy as "just round them all up and deport them."
Our "democracy" is a bad joke.
Elections are a dog and pony show. They give the public the illusion of choice and representation while being run by plutocrats who have their fingers in every pie.
>>24598705
>gaining
No, kek, not at all. Hes losing support fast as the novelty wears off.
the U.S. is beyond saving. we have people going homeless every day, jobs being lost,1/3 of the U.S. is on food stamps. and yet the only thing people discuss is fatass tumblrinas not getting boyfriends, mental men in dresses and niggers' feelings. voting for bernie, hillary, or trump will do nothing. america cant be saved. its like trying to turn a retarded kid into a doctor, it is not happening. cant say much about trump since he has only announced very few policies
>>24598701
there's no evidence that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a higher frequency than anyone else, though. they know they risk deportation. they want jobs - if you stop illegally giving them jobs, they'll leave. crack down on companies who hire them and the problem will go away
>Here is the reality of the situation. If the media hates his guts you know automatically he is a great candidate.
>>24598916
The media lives Trump. He's the new Bush in terms of looking like such a trained chimp on camera that people are willing to watch just for the entertainment factor.
>>24598791
This. Like 95% of the people who said they would vote for him can't come up with a reason other than "I like the fact that he speaks his mind" or "he's a businessman".
>Deport all illegal immigrants
Listen I'm not a Liberal but how can one possible think this is a good idea. Illegal immigrants are a necesary work force and considering how Hispanic parts of the US have become this would be nearly impossible to do.
>>24598983
He's really reaching these days just to keep getting coverage. He doesn't really have a platform so the day that he stops being offensive, he loses relevance completely
>>24598531
>white bleeding heart libkuk detected
>>24598997
>there's no evidence that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a higher frequency than anyone else
>illegal immigrants
>illegal
>not inherently a 100% crime rate
kek
>>24599027
I haven't met anyone irl that would vote for him. My conservative coworkers would elect Carson over Trump and they don't even like Carson
>>24598983
Show me some proof, my man. Before you post the Reuters poll, let me first make sure you're aware that it is one poll and is not enough to prove that he's "losing support fast". The 31% number is also very identical to the numbers he had before the Paris attacks, so it's more likely that the polls after the attacks were inflated. Also note that he still has more than twice the support of the candidate in second in this poll, and that the candidate in second (Carson) is the one who is and has been actually dropping in the polls.
>>24598791
Really 100% this. "Hurr I like that he isn't afraid to speak his mind and say bad words on the TV!" Everyone is also too retarded to realize that he's going to get shut down in Congress on most of his less conservative points and all his radical ones, just like Obama now, and his 'big bully' attitude won't do shit about it. If people really want a better country they need to go cast their ballot for their state's senators and reps too
>>24599027
Well to be fair, 95% of the voting population doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about, regardless of "which side they're on"
He will Make America Great Again
>>24598791
Just like every candidate minus The Bern.
I'm not a fan of him. But....
He didn't say all illegal immigrants from Mexica are killers and rapists. He said Mexico sends criminals to America. He didn't say 100% of people that willingly illegally go to America are criminals
>>24598967
You listen here, you little leftist cocksucker:
Obama headed the 900 BILLION DOLLAR tax-free gift to the kikes on Wall St. AND the TRILLION DOLLAR "stimulus package."
Bush and the shitheads that were in congress gave 900 BILLION to Iraq after the war.
There are 11 million estimated illegals here and even if you spent $50,000 on each one of the spics, the tab would still be only ~550 billion dollars: less than a quarter of what Obama spent on his pet projects and his "gifts."
The United States median household income last year was $51,939
This means that you could employ 11 million middle class Americans for one full year with that budget.
If you're telling me 11,000,000 Americans working for one year a piece can't root out one beaner each, then this country needs to be flushed down the fucking toilet anyway.
TL;DR
BUILD WALL
>>24599094
The assertion isn't that they didn't immigrate illegally and that it isn't still a crime.
But because they don't want to get deported they avoid breaking laws and cops at all costs.
Also if companies were held more accountable for the documentation of employees then it would be harder for companies to hire them, harder for them to get jobs when they come illegally, and in turn they stop coming illegally.
>>24598728
>He underestimates how sneaky illegals can be (they literally have underground tunnels all over the place between the US-Mexico border
>implying we didn't learn how to deal with that 40 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFG2F35PAY
>>24598938
You don't have to show compassion to the losers in order to be compassionate, Anon.
He's going to win
>>24598531
>I suppose Muslims aren't a race but then again neither are Jews.
Jews are a race, Judaism is a religion. Muslims are not a race, Islam is a religion. It's not hard, anon (you fucking retard).
>>24599027
>Like 95% of the people who said they would vote for him can't come up with a reason other than
WALL
>>24598438
GET A WARRANT YOU MEME FUCK!
E
T
>>24602316
>Jews are a race
Most are just Ashkenazim.
>>24602374
>le keeping the mexicans out will save this country from all of its problems maymay
>>24599043
>Illegal immigrants are a necesary work force
Whatever you say, Pedro.
>>24602475
It's the first step.Fuck the robot desu senpai baka
>>24598705
>Gaining and in the lead for five months with people still saying he'll fall off every time he says something new.
this is because he pretty much said when he announced his campaign "I'm not going to watch my tongue because fuck all that shit. I might offend people but whatever, at least I'm honest." and people really responded to that (and still do).
>>24598710
Untrue
There are a few different ethnic groups who are jewish, but there is no jewish race
>Ashkenazim
>Sephardim
>Mizrahim
>>24602559
>not including Falasha
You're a bigot, Anon!
>>24602592
I was giving some examples, there could be another 10 for all I fucking care
the only two important ones are there
>>24600133
>just like Obama now
The congress is Republican controlled now.
The conservative ideas will pass and he can just sign EOs for the radical ones.
>>24602623
>there could be another 10 for all I fucking care
You should care, Anon.
After all, they ARE the CHOSEN people.
>>24602661
M8 I am one
>>24598561
>muh hispanic vote
lefty shill detected. republikeks are never going to get the "hispanic vote"
>>24602681
Tell me about yourself.
>>24602688
I'm hispanic and I support trump
Moat of us absolutely hate illegal immigrants because of how horrible they make us look.
>>24602708
What's there to tell, I'm a shut in NEET just like most of the people on this board
I haven't been invited to any super secret world conspiracy meetings yet, but I do get contacted and asked to come to Israel every once in a while
Usually via email from an "uncle" who I've never met before
>>24598438
>bush mixed with hitler
>bitler
>>24598607
holy shit are those really his views?
i never actually knew what his views were
those are pretty good
|___|___|___|___|
BUILD
|___|___|___|___|
WALL
|___|___|___|___|
>you have been muted for 4 seconds because your wall was not original
>>24598607
Wow, those seem like actual good policies
Why did I believe the propagandaProbably the wall, that's meme tier stupid
>>24598607
He's really dreaming big, look at Obama, his healthcare is total shit but his campaign was all about free healthcare (except there is no free healthcare, you still gotta pay for it).
He has certainly backed out of other promises too. Judging a politician by something he says means almost nothing now. Vote for whoever you want but based on Trump's character, I doubt he can really pull this off and deliver what he is promising. The dude is spineless and flip flops on issues all the time.
>>24602954
>backed out
>implying obamacare isn't a shell of what it was supposed to be because it kept getting blocked in congress by the republicans
>>24598438
I really want him to win. Nobody is going to vote for him though because people are offended pussies. Trump is what America needs
>>24602832
How often have you gone?
So are you Ashkenazim or Mizrahim?
>>24602722
Are you a first generation immigrant?
>>24602887
>your wall was not original
Trump's will be
>>24602954
>The dude is spineless and flip flops on issues all the time.
Really, when was this?
>>24603183
No.
My entire family is strongly against it though.
>tfw you agree with Trump's polices but you actually hate Trump and his supporters because you hate narcissistic shitheads and you don't want the country to turn into Chad normalfags flinging shit at each other.
Why do trumpfags have to be racist sociopathic cunts. I actually cool with the deporting shit but when you're trying to make him fucking Hitler, it's just WHY
>>24598517
six republican candidates could beat shillary, though
cruz and rubio, the most likely nominees, can both do that
He's a moron who's all talk but in reality is politically clueless. The only people supporting him are equally clueless voters and racists.
>>24603026
Remember that one time Obama said he was going to do something about tuition then he did absolutely nothing? He mentioned it during his second campaign.
Now take a look at how well Trump follows his own beliefs.
>he was once anti-drug, but then flip flopped around when legalization started happening/he started campaigning
>early in his campaign, he said that we will "get used to syrian immigrants", then flip flopped lately and says he is sending them back
>he wanted to defund planned parenthood, but then changed his mind and said he wants to keep it funded
>he said entering Afghanistan was a mistake, but then said it wasn't lately
You want to stay away from flip-flopping politicians like this, Clinton is another flip flopping politician who I don't enjoy. I'm not saying Bernie Sanders is the post possible choice, but he at least isn't completely spineless like Obama/Trump/Clinton. I would enjoy voting in another "Bill Clinton/give no fucks what liberal-tards and extreme conservatives want" type president if you feel me.
>>24603269
Where are you from?
What state do you live in?
I'm just curious; I know all the good hispanics don't have anything against Trump because, like you said, the illegals lump them in with the rapists and killers. I'm sure they're not helping any American's job economy either.
Does Trump have any actual past political experience?
>>24603339
>>early in his campaign, he said that we will "get used to syrian immigrants", then flip flopped lately and says he is sending them back
>>he wanted to defund planned parenthood, but then changed his mind and said he wants to keep it funded
>>he said entering Afghanistan was a mistake, but then said it wasn't lately
>source:
>my ass
>>24603272
>>24603288
youre not on tumblr, kids
>>24603339
>you can't change your mind without being a flipfloper
>>24603412
Trump is an socialist who is against the free market and is for legalization so therefore you're the tumblr dyke here faggot.
>>24603339
>but he at least isn't completely spineless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWOuCfdJYMM
>>24603416
>>24603398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HJG-V5L9I
"I hate the concept of it,but on a humanitarian basis, with what's happening, you have to" accept the [Syrian] refugees. They're living in hell."
>>24603363
I'm from South Carolina originally but I live in Maryland.
>>24603397
He's dealt with a lot of foreign and domestic officials.
>>24598710
>>24602316
>>24598531
Technically, Jews aren't a race but a tribe
>>24603460
>I live in Maryland.
What a dump, why did you move there?
>>24603450
This doesn't prove any sort of point nor is he flip flopping on ideas/feeding people lies for votes. He's just dealing with some nigger, who cares? You need to point out actual evidence of flip flopping to prove that politicians are spineless, being polite in public has nothing to do with "having a spine".
>>24603491
Job opportunities.
I lived in Ohio before this because my familly moved there.
>>24603436
>and is for legalization
why is this bad though
lower crime rates, job creation, increased tax revenue, increased consumer spending
Holy shit, can we just merge /r9k/ and /pol/ already? Half the discussions are identical.
>>24603523
Ohio's turned to shit too.
We have some nice job opportunities in Florida.
>>24603521
No one is saying it's bad, they're saying Trump often lies about his ideas to win votes. There isn't laws against lying about your political beliefs while campaigning as president.
The president can say whatever he wants, it's only actions that will get him in trouble.
>>24603159
I've never actually gone, and I doubt I ever will
I'm Ashkenazi, my great grandparents on my mothers side moved here (London) to get out of the soviet union in the 1920s
He wants socialized healthcare.(One of his three core issues.) No more death tax. Lower corporate tax. No income tax for the poor. Higher taxes for the rich. Wants to deport all illegals. Wants to repeal NAFTA.(First he said he wants to add a bunch of taxes to bring in Mexicans to build the wall hilariously enough and then deport them. He also explains how he is going to get Mexico to pay for the wall on his site.) Wants to punish companies that ship jobs overseas. Wants to pay off debts and decrease government spending. Keeps talking about breaking up banks which is why the media hates his guts.
>>24603562
is response to
>>24603548
>>24603564
Israel sounds like a fun place to visit.
As a NEET, where do you get your shekels?
>>24603577
>No more death tax.
what does that mean?
>>24603561
I found a nice job here. Not too luxurious but im happy.
>>24603603
Inheritance tax.
You make money, you die, you give money to your kids and the government gets to take up to 50% on the process.
Trump wants to stop this.
>>24603548
less productive workforce, largely unresearched public health issues (a paper suggesting strong weed causes neural damage was published yesterday). National tobacco industry killed in favor of yet another import from mexico
>>24603548
TUMBLR
TUMBLR
TUMBLR
FRICK OFF BACK TO REDDIT SJW KIKE
>>24603631
oh i understand
figures that i dont know what that is because im poor
>>24603603
In the US you literally have to pay a tax when you die. Only country on Earth that does it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States
>>24603577
>lower corporate tax
So, more money for the rich? Taxing individuals more money means nothing, it just means maybe you are getting less than a million dollars per year out of ~1% of some Americans families.
Lower corporate tax means rich people who own corporations will actually be saving millions and millions of dollars in taxes, the sacrifice is that they need to pay a fraction more on their income taxes. Almost all rich money is moved around via corporations and not used as their own individual income.
>>24603625
What do you do?
>You have been muted for /2 seconds, because your comment was not original.
>>24598438
i'm literally only voting for him because the immigrant population has gotten out of control and no one cares to stop it but him.
he's also right about how people from outside of america are thriving in america more than americans are.
>>24598632
underr8ed chuckles thanks anon
>>24603642
It's alright.
We're all having trouble in Obama's economy.
>>24603644
I thought it was on a state level.
Its either trump or hillary. And we all know how t errible shillarly will be. Its a no brainer really.
>>24598701
>he's a good man
lel stfu you stupid idiot
>>24603593
Inheritance right now, a parent of mine died when I was 14 so I got a large sum and a flat to live in
Nepotism in future probably, I'm only 18
>>24603706
im not having trouble
i am happy i am on disability because the government is good
>>24603669
>i'm literally only voting for him because the immigrant population has gotten out of control and no one cares to stop it but him.
I know that feel, Anon.
I love still love Rand Paul but somethings needs to be done.
>>24603667
I'm a cook right now.
I'm probably gonna be a sous chef soon.
>>24603740
SSA is a bitch to work with.
>>24603731
You might say that you're not a part of the Illuminati but you seem to have it made better than >95% of the other people on here.
>>24603782
what is SSA?
you'll have to forgive me i dont know anything about politics or care about politics so i dont know what these acronyms mean
The only things I know about him:
>He wants to deport all illegals like Eisenhower, Roosevelt, and Kennedy did.
>Wants Mexico to pay for a Wall to keep illegals out.
>Get rid of birthright citizenship.
>Plans to replace Obamacare with socialized healthcare.
>Repeal NAFTA.
>Lower taxes on the poor and higher for the rich.
I don't know anything else about his views. This is just the same stuff he keeps talking about over and over.
>>24603792
SocialSecurityAdministration
Aren't you the Anon that's getting disability?
>>24603833
>>24603848
oh you meant social security
i have had no problems with them and they were nice to me when i went to their office
>>24603749
Being a cook sounds like fun.
Is it stressful?
How big is the restaurant?
How do you rank in the order of things there?
>>24603748
I feel like people have been saying the immigrant population has gotten out of control since the beginning of the United States
>>24603577
You're wrong on several of these...protip: bernie sanders and donald trump are different people
>He wants socialized healthcare
Once called for it, now says it could never work in the US.
>No income tax for the poor. Higher taxes for the rich
Wrong: He wants the poor to pay 1% income tax. Misleading: The rich would pay a lower effective tax rate (15%) than they currently do under his plan.
>Wants to pay off debts and decrease government spending
Has said nothing about this, it's more of a standard republican thing which we can't trust that Trump will follow.
>Keeps talking about breaking up banks which is why the media hates his guts.
He wants to repeal Dodd-Frank and called breaking up banks a bad idea. So pretty clearly against bank regulation.
>>24603555
Pretty much, but what would we call the combination? pol9k?
>>24603884
I'm pretty new to the place but I'm educated and seem to have an edge on everyone else. I get more hours than any other cook.
It's a small place. I'm using it as a low stress job to get my bearings here.
>>24603879
Are you an amputee or what?
They're not very helpful to you otherwise and they're slow.
You're right when you say they're nice in the office.
Just wait until one hangs up on you over the phone at one of the call centres.
>>24603935
why would they hang up on me? i am respectful when they needed me to call them
>>24603895
They say that but you're not considering just how intense immigration is here now. We are one of the only countries in the world who allow birthright citizenship instead of blood right (one parent must be American).
To put this population into perspective, the newest generation is 50% Mexican and is currently bigger than the baby boomer generation right now (keep in mind that we have not named a new generation yet and it's still growing). I am telling you that if all baby boomers were alive now, there would be more Mexican babies existing within the US. This is why it is a huge threat, look at the toll the baby boomer generation has on us right now and how bad our economy is, now imagine we're going to do it again with the newest generation (which could be controlled if you removed birthright laws).
>>24603895
We didn't have "benefits" and "aid" back then.
People used to only come here to make a better life for themselves so they contributed and loved their country.
>>24603897
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
0% income tax for poverty, lower class 10%, middle class 20%, and upper class gets 25% tax.
>No income tax for the poor. Higher taxes for the rich
See link above.
>Wants to pay off debts and decrease government spending
See link above.
>>24603815
That's true to an extent, I have a lot more opportunity certainly
The only difference between me and most robots, in terms of our outlook anyway, is that I'm not as bitter at the world because it's my fault I'm a loser
I'll still probably die alone and by my own hand, maybe not a virgin just because some psycho jewess will be forced on me
>>24603838
>Repeal NAFTA
>Lower taxes on the poor and higher for the rich
>Plans to replace Obamacare with socialized healthcare
If he lost the immigrant hate he'd have the liberal AND conservative vote
>>24603912
You took culinary classes?
He wants socialized healthcare and to deport illegals.http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/
>>24603960
Because some of the shits get lazy and don't like it when you call them on their bullshit.
That's why I record my conversations now.
>>24604034
why dont you just be nice to them?
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/23/9784766/donald-trump-abc-stephanopoulos
>>24603968
>the newest generation is 50% Mexican
I would like a source
>>24603979
>People used to only come here to make a better life for themselves so they contributed and loved their country
I doubt your or my great granddaddy said that immigrants came to this country just to make a better life for themselves and contributed and loved this country.
>>24603986
>upper class tax rate of 25%
W-w-what
>>24603997
You say you're a loser, but what have you lost?
>some psycho jewess
Sounds good to me. The Israeli women look pretty nice, unless you meant an Ashkenazim.
Which in that case, she's at least likely to have nice tits.
>>24603895
The thing is, since the recession it's been self-limiting. And the idea that illegals are criminals or parasites isn't backed up by facts at all.
It's an imaginary problem. If they were all made citizens, they'd pay taxes and make competitive wages. The problem of cheap labor undercutting US citizens goes away.
All I know is he won't shut the fuck up about socialized healthcare, increasing tax on the rich, and deporting chinese and mexican anchor babies. He is basically Bernie Sanders except instead of embracing illegals he wants to deport them.
>>24603986
My bad, looked at an older version I guess. That's likely still lower than the current effective rate for the rich but it depends on who you ask because the current code is so complicated.
Revenue neutral != paying off debt. The government runs a large deficit right now with increasing (as seen in the regular fights over the debt limit), so what is needed is a tax plan that increases revenue, OR massive spending cuts, OR a combination of the two. Trump has not advocated for any of these.
>>24604052
I'm always nice, sometimes too nice.
When people don't do their job what am I supposed to say?
>>24603910
maybe something like "retarded autism shitpost central"
it fits
>>24604123
The tax rate for upper class is currently 11.5% under Trump it would be 25%. That is higher than what even Bernie wants to tax the rich.
>>24603631
The inheritance tax only affects assests upwards of five million. Why the fuck does Trump want to make it easier for trust fund babies?
>>24604092
>I doubt your or my great granddaddy said that immigrants came to this country just to make a better life for themselves and contributed and loved this country.
How's that?
My family wanted to fuck over King George.
>>24604200
>Fuck them chinks man they're good for nothing!
>Fuck them Irish man they're good for nothing!
>Fuck them Italians man they're good for nothing!
>>24604141
>they'd pay taxes and make competitive wages
sure
>>24603968
>the newest generation is 50% Mexican
No it's not.
>and is currently bigger than the baby boomer generation right now
The population has grown considerably since the 60s
>look at the toll the baby boomer generation has on us right now
...which has more to do with their political inclinations and problems with entitlement programs than their actual number
The funny thing you're missing is that the best way to support a large aging population is a large young population. The burden of old people is mainly a problem in countries with low fertility like Japan. If there's a large young population and they're citizens and they pay taxes, they're paying for the old people.
>>24604189
Isn't the income tax rate supposed to be 40% for the rich?
Why don't we close all the loopholes and make them pay 40%?
>>24604189
>11.5
Source? I hear it's around 18%
It's going to be a 3.5% increase since half of the top few percent's income is from captial gains. Plus getting rid of all deductions that would be stupid for the lower classes. A bachelor earning 50k a year would pay the same as a single mother with two kids.
>>24604157
well what happened?
>>24604131
Loser is a phrase
I just meant a waste of space, someone pathetic, etc
My mum did OD and drown herself in the bath when I was 14 though which was pretty traumatic
I appreciate that I'll never have to deal with poverty or that kind of hardship, but I'm far from ever being a happy individual
>Sounds good to me
I'll never be loved by her though, just some beta loser who's there while she fucks tyrone and chad
I have to sleep now anyway, if you wonder why I'm no longer replying
>>24604284
Shit ton of deductions like captial loss deductions, which means if you lose in investing money you get tax credits. Supposed to be "fair" since there's a captial gains tax. There's a ton of stuff they use to minimise taxes, they have entire departments devoted for it.
Closing loopholes isn't easy, every politican talks about it but nothings been done.
>>24604123
>W-w-what
>>24604189
>The tax rate for upper class is currently 11.5%
>That is higher than what even Bernie wants to tax the rich.
Wew lad
$37,451 to $90,750 $5,156.25 plus 25% of the amount over $37,450
$413,201 or more $119,996.25 plus 39.6% of the amount over $413,200
You still pay 25% even if you make almost $13,000 less than the American household average. The "rich" get taxed almost 40%
And don't forget about your property tax, sales tax, communications tax...
http://www.irs.com/articles/2015-federal-tax-rates-personal-exemptions-and-standard-deductions
Go fuck yourself.
>>24604191
Most companies worth a shit are worth more than 5 million.
No one should be taxed on anything they already "own."
>>24604437
>The "rich" get taxed almost 40%
Are you really butthurt about the rich getting taxed 40% of their income tax even though they can weasel it down to like 10% using loopholes?
Even when the rich had to deal with a 90% income tax rate before Reagan?
Suck a fat dick.
>>24604437
No one with a brain pays the base rate, or uses the standard deduction. What do you think expensive accountants are for? Itemizing millions of deductions...
>>24604271
>the best way to support a large aging population is a large young population
So what?
You think I owe them something?
By that logic we should invite all the Jamal's and Tyrone's over from the source like Europe.
>>24598438
He's said a lot of stupid shit, like he met Putin on sixty minutes when they were filmed thousands of miles apart, if he were president he'd send the big oil companies to build rigs in Syria and use ground troops to defend them, that he drove himself and ate at McDonald's the other day when asked about how he was a regular guy.
Policy wise he wants to repeal NAFTA, deport illegals and use supply side economics.
>>24604284
>Isn't the income tax rate supposed to be 40% for the rich?
It is.
The dems up there are just lying to you.
>>24604291
>A bachelor earning 50k a year would pay the same as a single mother with two kids.
So?
Maybe that bachelor might want to sponser some kids in Africa or help the homeless here.
Does he get a break?
>>24604559
I think on average the rich (250k and above) pay 25% tax rate
>>24604271
>the best way to support our dying population is to create lots of babies for our very overpopulated dying planet
The better solution here would have been to let some of our population die off and collapse and attempt to shrink it a bit. We can't support poor people in our country, most middle class jobs are dying, and we won't have anything for all these "Generation Z Mexicans" to do.
People dying doesn't create more jobs. New technologies create new jobs but people dying just means that they'll be a few hundred thousand extra nursing home jobs and then... what do you do with the millions of others born in said generation? Don't forget how many nurses we have now. Stupid women ran to go into nursing because "muh jobs, muh dying generation" but in reality, we don't have enough jobs for all these "smart ahead of the pack" nurses that showed up.
>>24604488
>inheriting companies
And create shit like the Waltons?
Morally, they kids never earned it. All men are created equal. It's un-American to get money you neither earned nor need.
Practically it allows wealth to snowball between generations.
>>24604599
US kids > African kids
The government should be helping the homeless
>>24604304
I called them up and I was asking why a form wasn't documented despite me sending it in several times.
She didn't have an excuse, so "Julia" hung up on me.
These agencies love large, broken call centres so that even if you have their name, you can't narrow it down between 20 locations.
>>24604599
Charity tax credits.
>>24604358
Sorry to hear that.
I wish you the best of luck;
I know we all need it.
>>24604678
I'm not sure where you got any of that nonsense from, but it has nothing to do with anything I posted.
>>24604384
>Xerox
>lumber
>>24604643
25%? Surely that can't be true peasant, it says right here the base tax rate for my bracket is 40%. No we don't have time to explain itemized deductions, look over there an immigrant is taking your job!
>asking robots for political analysis
get your teeth fixed OP.
>>24604695
That would actually be pretty easy; there aren't that many homeless people. But politically it's not a high priority because most people don't give a shit.
And anyway it's not like the government can only do one thing at a time.
>>24604789
I think this board is probably the least qualified board to discuss politics since 50% of us live with our basements and are total failures who don't know how the world works, which is kind of scary since this board and /pol/ share a large common userbase.
>>24604501
>>24604520
> the rich had to deal with a 90% income tax rate before Reagan
What kind of bullshit are you trying to spew?
>they can weasel it down to like 10% using loopholes?
>No one with a brain pays the base rate
So now we're talking about what they do pay instead of what they're specified to pay?
I believe there should be flat tax among employers with no deductions.
>>24604854
>flat tax
ayyy lmao
look at the countries with flat tax rates and tell me how well it has worked for them
>>24598438
he's either memeing hard, stoking blue collar angst with nationalist fervor to win the primary and then become increasingly pragmatic in the general election. or he's completely sincere and therefore a straight up fascist. NatSocialism isn't terrible in an ethnocentric society, but the US is pluralistic. That is, the US was set up precisely to prevent precisely the sort of "leadership" he would bring
>>24604838
Conservatives are mostly losers.
Occasionally they are successful assholes.
But mostly they're just sad spergs that get a half-chub from the sound of Rush Limbaugh's voice.
>>24604692
>Morally, they kids never earned it.
Yeah, your morals.
MORALLY, LEGALLY and OBJECTIVELY Sam Walton earned it and he can do whatever to fuck he wants with it.
>It's un-American to get money you neither earned nor need.
Show me somewhere the founding fathers professed this "vision."
>>24604695
>The government should be helping the homeless
Just like they've been such a success at redistributing the wealth?
>>24604789
It's fun to see some retarded shit out on display though.
>>24598517
He has over 20% lead on any other canidate in most states, and Cruz might drop to be vp. His latest ralley got triple the people (5k expected, some 12k showed up). If he doesnt win at least the republican primary it will show that the GOP dont even want to win.
Trump isnt racist, or dumb. He knows exactly what he is doing. Also muslim isnt a race, illegals arnt all mexican. Watch the speaches and ralleys,not buzzfeed headlines and tumblr gifs for your opinions.
The dems and gop hate him as he isnt in eithers pockets via money so they cant control him.
>>24598531
>>24598678
>He just agreed later to the idea that muslim refugees should be registered with the government
He didn't even say this. They cut the video dishonestly to remove context. His agreement was to building a wall, not registering muslims.
>>24604742
Not the guy that posted, but how isn't it?
>>24604888
You didn't earn those trips.
It works pretty well with sales tax.
>>24604980
>He has over 20% lead on any other canidate in most states
falling like a rock, also massive unfavorable ratings make him really, really obviously unelectable
>>24604888
>>24604888
pretty well
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/future-development/posts/2015/02/11-poland-post-socialist-transition-piatkowski
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/mongolia-the-next-asian-tiger-11276
>>24604970
They government hasn't been trying to redistribute the wealth, are you retarded?
Reagan cut taxes for the rich, Bush cut taxes for the rich, and everyone else didn't do shit to curb the amalgamation of wealth in the upper class.
And it's much easier to help homeless people than to completely redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the middle class and poor.
To help the homeless all you need to do is build homeless shelters and help them find jobs and have a majority liberal population that's fine with this. To redistribute wealth effectively you need to basically do twelve consecutive backflips through flaming hoops while dodging bullets.
>>24605024
Sales tax is a highly regressive tax; the poor bear much more burden than anyone else.
>>24604980
Don't forget, 12k in a town with a population of 50k. Over a fifth of the town's population showed up. He even went outside and gave a short second-speech(recap) to the people that couldn't get in.
There was a picture of Rubio's speech in the same town, (which is in Florida I might add, where Rubio is a Senator) and he got about 100 people to show up.
>>24605036
>falling like a rock
He has something like 40% in flordia right now, with cruz in second at 11%. His ratings are soaring m8
>>24605047
Poland has a progressive income tax rate you fucking mongoloid
That article did not say Mongolia has a good economy right now, it said they have the potential to have a good economy.
>>24605082
This doesn't mean much, Trump is also a celebrity and public figure, curiosity alone will drive people just to see. They want to see a crazy performer in action, doesn't mean they went to listen to him preach.
>>24605119
>Doesn't mean much
Okay.
>>24598607
>socialized healthcare
No, he said he'd remove state-line restrictions on insurance plans so that private insurance companies have to compete more. When he says that he wants everyone taken care of, he's referring to the medicaid system we had before Obamacare.
Also
>renegotiate trade deals and impose an import tax to de-incentivize job/factory outsourcing to resolve our ~$600bn foreign trade deficit
>fix corporate inversion by allowing companies to cheaply bring their money back to the states (will bring around $2 trillion back into the US)
>remove department of education and make it a state issue
>renegotiate military deals with countries that we pay to protect (South Korea, Germany, Japan)
>>24605103
>Mongolia: After years of soaring economic growth
>>24604854
>we're talking about what they do pay instead of what they're specified to pay?
We aren't? It makes no sense to compare the rates under proposed simplified tax codes to the current base rate, because the current rates are so far away from reality. What point are you trying to make by constantly reminding everyone that the base rate on the highest bracket is 40% or so?
>>24605119
I cant wait for when he becomes President and all of you are completely btfo. It will be the most hillarious and amazing 4 years, and I cant wait.
You vastly underestimate the silent majority.
>>24603455
That was before he looked into it and found out they were 90% men and were economic migrants, not refugees, heading straight to Germany for dem gibmedats. He literally changed his mind the next day and stayed with that since.
>>24605082
>posting this ridiculous cartoon
there is no hope for you, anon.
>>24605277
>growth
>good economy
these aren't the same thing
>>24605319
I just posted it b/c it was funny. Obviously Bernie isn't going to take away shit from Clinton, but Yeb! got keked into oblivion.
>>24598438
he's retarded and believes things people tell him regardless of credibility.
>>24603469
this is just completely 100% innacurate
>>24605319
>complaining that a satirical political comic is ridiculous
>says someone else has no hope
hmm
>>24605288
>You vastly underestimate the silent majority.
...that's somehow invisible to polling organizations?
>>24605448
>in a shit redneck town that no one cares about
>>24605448
Are you trying to prove a point by attaching that picture to your post?
>Sarasota
Well anon, you aren't.
Who's to say that the majority of those 12,000 people didn't just show up because they're all fucking idiots?
>>24605367
>Yeb! got keked into oblivion.
I don't think he's done for. No one really liked Romney either until late in the primaries after all the sexy frontrunners flamed out and things settled back down to reality (or as close to reality as the GOP primaries ever gets).
>>24605587
Who's to say you're not an idiot?
>>24605516
the damage control by people getting curb stump'd is hilarious. makes me think self-deportation will actually work.
>>24605590
>Guaca Bowl
>ever getting passed 10% again
top kek, Trump ain't the only one beating him. By the time primaries come around even Randlet will be beating him.
>>24605606
Exactly, these are all just possibilities. :^)
Rubio or Cruz will win the republican primary
Hillary will win the dem primary but Sanders has a much bigger chance than you all think
>>24605587
>Who's to say that the majority of those 12,000 people didn't just show up because they're all fucking idiots?
Have you ever been to Florida? I mean that's a given...
>>24605722
That's why I included
>Sarasota
>>24605587
do you even begin to realize the importance of a state like FL in elections?
>>24605632
I'm not saying Bush will go anywhere; the GOP is a hell of a lot more insane and retarded than it was even in 2012. But don't count him out yet. You can't look at the current polls and expect that they have significant predictive power.
>>24605771
That is why it makes me very sad that a state full of idiots can have that much power.
>>24603491
>richest state
>dump
If you want me to take the picture of my back yard so you can see the Chesapeake bay, the gorgeous colonial era town and the local crab shop that are nearby I'd be glad to.
Though it is dark out.
>>24605796
>idiots
The only idiots are those that think Trump is hitler or some other rubbish that msnbc told them to think instead of watching his speaches and reading his website to form their own opinions.
>>24605771
Florida yeah, Sarasota no.
>>24605681
In the event Clinton loses people will pretend she's got in the bag till the end. Back in '08 after Obama started steamrolling it was all about muh superdelegates until she dropped out, and I'm sure that argument will be back if Sanders wins more than one state.
>>24605681
Prob Rubio. He's got the Hispanic demographic, he's the one establishment guy left for the Repubs, and he can use his youth (and swing state potential) against Hillary.
>>24605805
Just dont go near the cities and your fine. Lots of redneck garbage and roaming packs of basketball americans shooting people though. Baltimore's murder rate hitt he highest mark in years recently.
Blue crab is GOAT but they have shrunk over the years.
>>24605836
Cruz > Rubio
Honestly I wouldn't mind Cruz compared to any other republican candidate, Rubio can just fuck off
>>24605830
Hillary is shit desu senpai
>>24605448
You realize they often pay for extra people to show up. Sarasota is pretty liberal for a Florida town, especially because there are two liberal arts colleges (Ringling/New College) in that town.
I don't believe they got 12,000 Sarasota residents to show up to this. The crowd has an unusual amount of people in it who still have color in their hair, a bunch of races I almost never see in Sarasota (conservative young white women who live in Sarasota?).
This is the town where SJWs and liberals go to study in the state of Florida. It's possible you could get old people to show up but snowbird season is just starting and students are still in classes. I don't believe young liberals would take time off to go see Trump. I have lived in Sarasota.
Trump is a bad meme with no chance. He says stupid shit and proposes absolute mind blowing retarded stuff that /pol/ pretends to agree with because they pretend to be that edgy online. He represents everything that the world believes is wrong with the republican party yet people support him dragging it through the mud for some reason
>>24605851
Defining maryland by Baltimore is like defining Michigan by Detroit.
>>24605875
>pay people to show up
m8 he has gotten more than expected at almost every ralley, he doesnt need to pay jack squat. Im sure people from SC/GA/other parts of Florida drove to see him while close, but that doesnt change the fact that he is on a roll. And his numbers just keep climbing (I think its some reverse magic where every time liberal media spouts itll go down it doubles).
The libs should be happy- his politics are very un-republican besides military/illegals.
>>24605836
The funny thing is that the longer Trump hogs all the attention, the more he permanently damages the GOP's standing among Hispanics.
So Rubio or Cruz could have resonated with them toward the beginning of the primaries, but I don't think they can do as much now.
>>24605875
Florida has plenty of conservatives, 12,000 people at a Trump rally really isn't that shocking.
They could also easily come from nearby cities, I really doubt they pay people to show up.
>>24605856
I'm not talking who should win, just who's likely. Cruz, Trump, and Carson all appeal to the same anti-establishment group. Rubio's the only insider left, and he has the Hispanic card. Carson can win a few black voters, but Cruz and Trump will face tough sledding in the primary.
Rubio's a slimeball (Floridafag here; not a whole lot of us in the state like him much), but he has an easy route to winning the primary if he doesn't go full retard. Trump and Cruz look like they'll cannibalize each other at this rate.
>>24605877
>proposes absolute mind blowing retarded
name one, and let me enlighten you on how youve been lied to by buzzfeed headlines and media slander.
>>24605988
>Trump and Cruz
Cruz is going to drop and be Trumps VP more than likely, also netting more hispanic votes for, you know, the legal hardworking hispanics that arnt illegal and cant vote (except in shit states).
>>24605952
>we planned for 5K to show up
>rent some area "designed for 5K people"
>"omg 12K showed up, can you believe it? phew, thank GOD we made enough room for all of them. how could we have possibly been so prepared for exactly 12K people when we planned for 5K? what great coincidence and luck! look at how well my rallies are going!"
>>24598438
Daily Reminder that /pol/ has incorrectly predicted every presidential election.
>>24605988
You kidding? Trump and Cruz haven't said a word against each other this entire season. In fact, they met privately right when Trump announced his run. A lot of people think that Cruz is running distraction for Trump. Cruz is going to drop out of the race and endorse trump at some point, and the game is going to be pretty much over. Trump/Cruz 2016. Screenshot this post.
>>24605966
That's a good point, but if Rubio plays his cards right, he could paint Trump and the like as radicals and put himself in as the more reasonable candidate - especially if he's up against Hilldabeast.
He's got his work cut out for him,. but the path's there now that Jeb's basically a non-factor. Bush was the last insider hurdle, and Rubio can still win over Hispanics more on his own personality and letting the more conservative elements battle it out until Iowa.
>>24606048
they didnt have enough room, they were waiting outside and he basically gave two speeches and went over time.
I'd imagine he was expecting around 5k since his previous rallies all had between 3-5k.
>>24605966
>The funny thing is that the longer Trump hogs all the attention, the more he permanently damages the GOP's standing among Hispanics.
Hispanics who can actually vote love Trump
>>24605978
Okay but you don't live in Florida, Sarasota/Tampa is way way more liberal than other areas. Especially compared to rich areas in south Florida and Orlando (where many old people go).
Florida also has a huge huge Cuban population, and in Sarasota specifically, a huge black population. Yet the entire crowd is preplanned young and old white people with a few young brown people sprinkled in?
>>24606063
Rubio is a fucking idiot who cant even do his own job correctly. I hate Hillary and would rather her win.
>>24603339
Makes me wonder how different place the world would have been if Bill had not stuck his dick in that whales mouth at work.
>an election can hinge on whether or not you can pander to the people invading your country
Why do people support democracy again?
>>24606102
>Blacks and Hispanics
>caring about politics beyond BLM and welfare
>showing up to support Trump
you are grasping at straws
>>24606062
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cruz/Trump drops out for the sake of the other, but the longer they wait, the more time they give Rubio to win over wealthy establishment donors. That's just giving him ammo.
Trump knows his shit (I doubt Cruz could pull off much against the establishment in the primary) but even if Cruz endorses Trump, it's still keeping in the same conservative base. It's really a test if the anti-establishment conservatives have lasting power against the usual base that has propelled McCain and Romney to nominations (i.e., the group going for Rubio now)
>>24606084
this is an under-rated and under-voiced fact. legal hispanic immigrants that I have met are mostly republican catholics. remind me of the irish and polish in PA. they remember the jobbers from their shit third world they escaped from, and dont want them here either. like my boss (born in mexico city) who would go on about how idiotic these people are wanting usa to become the thing they left.
>>24606063
Hispanics have always voted democrat. Why do you think a republican candidate needs/wants to win over hispanics?
>>24606115
>Implying Hillary can do her job correctly
>Implying Hillary isn't a fucking idiot
>>24606190
>the usual base that has propelled McCain and Romney to nominations (i.e., the group going for Rubio now)
fuck those guys
>>24606143
He had people protesting outside of his rally, not even Jeb Bush in Tampa got that much backlash. I am telling you that his statistics are skewed and young people from Sarasota, FL would not go to this.
>https://twitter.com/KOD1AK/status/670633418984681472
I have personally encountered hundreds of them and can tell you that there are no young conservatives in Saraosta, FL or near Sarasota, FL. He did not actually convince 12K Sarasota natives to show up to a rally. He likely prescreened through 12K people who applied to come and selected based on what his campaign manager felt would be the perfect mix of people (sprinkle in some brown skins because DIVERSITY). He got old people to travel across the state to see his rally.
>>24606288
>prescreened 12k people to make a ralley look good
this is as bad as /pol/ saying TEH JEWWS. seriously, trying out a tinfoil hat?
>>24606220
Any candidate who's not Cruz/Trump wants that, because the party will support that.
Cruz/Trump have the conservatives in the bag. The GOP is losing their shit over that and want an establishment candidate with broader appeal. Hence Rubio. Bush is a goner, so there's no one left the party can throw their money at, since they don't want to back Trump/Cruz/Carson.
Challenging Trump/Cruz head-on is idiotic for any other candidate, since that's a guaranteed loss.
>>24606243
Hey, I'm with you, but that's the reality of this shit. They have money. Once they can lock down a candidate, they can run a mean campaign against the candidate who appeals to the people.
>>24598438
Trump isn't really likely to win. Most "millionaire" candidates don't do well in the general election - look at Romney. Statistically speaking, he should have won the election. The economy was in the shitter, approval ratings of Obama were at an all time low. He should have won.
However, Romney couldn't win because he looked too much like an out of touch plutocrat in the general election. Trump is likely to repeat history.
I'm not hugely familiar with his policies, but I would be hesitant to support him because he's never held a single political office before in his life, to my knowledge. I realize there's some carry over from owning a business to managing a country, but there are some serious differences between the two. I doubt that, for example, being a CEO would prepare you much for dealing in foreign affairs as the most powerful leader in the world.
>>24605988
>Carson can win a few black voters
What? No he can't. I mean maybe like 5...
>>24598438
Not sure why people say Bernie Sanders doesn't know anything about economics when this fucking nut job has absolutely no clue about econ
>>24606386
>Romney should have won
naw, find a president in recent history that only ran one term. people like the familiar.
>I would be hesitant to support him because he's never held a single political office before in his life, to my knowledge
He ran something more important- the money behind the politics. He knows all the super PACs and big money, which is what he calls out all the time.
>being a CEO would prepare you much for dealing in foreign affairs as the most powerful leader in the world.
more so than being a career politician who has only dealt with governors and soccer moms. Plus, CEOs are generally the most powerful people in the world.
>>24606378
>>24606353
they should throw their money at Trump/Cruz instead of trying to shoe-horn in who obviously cant win. Their is no way Rubio could win vs Hillary. Maybe Bernie, but not kill-list clinton.
>>24606056
RON PAUL 2008
>>24606288
>protesters are mostly crusty white lefties
Knew it.
>>24598438
>ls he really as bad as people make him out to be?
No. He's loud, offensive, ignorant for a man of his class, and prone to theatrics. Basically, he's Ronald Regan, but anti-immigrant.
>Here (England) people think he's like Bush mixed with Hitler.
Eh. That doesn't sound right at all. The political establishment is in a bit of a panic because Trump and Sanders both fall outside of it, and both have made threat against the extremist neoliberal status quo. In this nation today, proposing a tariff is virtually sacrilegious.
>Does he really stand a chance of winning?
Yes. Clinton is an uncompelling establishment candidate who must reuse lines from the Sanders campaign to remain relevant. Sanders does not enjoy the same establishment support and name recognition though, and the corporate media has made a habit of intentionally ignoring him. The other republican candidates are bad comedy acts to an even more extreme degree than Trump.
>>24606510
Well, in America, the Chicago School is still taken seriously. Does anybody here know a thing about economics?
>>24606510
Bernie 'FREE EVERYTHING' Sanders is wrong about everything but women.
>>24606063
>he could paint Trump and the like as radicals and put himself in as the more reasonable candidate
Yeah but the batshit insanity is what people are excited about to begin with.
If you propose now that maybe building a wall isn't the best idea ever, people are going to be so disappointed.
Once the crazy starts, it doesn't want to stop.
A good segment of the population has been brainwashed to hate government. They believe in a "true" American culture that's essentially a cartoon version of white rural southern culture. Liberals and minorities just want to take away their jobs and freedom, and force multiculturalism, upsetting a comfortable status quo. Not saying that's good or bad, just how it is.
The republicans have successfully tapped this group as a reliable base, but they have other baggage as an establishment, pro-growth party. They don't, in general, give a shit about your freedoms, and would take them away in a heartbeat if the corporate overlords really wanted to.
Along comes Trump, who runs as a republican without endorsing any of the "boring" parts of the Republican agenda. He just says a few things the base likes, like kick the immigrants out and cut tax rates. Even says things that are blatantly anti-republican like opposing NAFTA. And he's generally entertaining, unlike every contemporary politician.
Liberals like to call the anti-government crowd stupid, but they sure aren't blind, They see that Trump doesn't give a shit about the establishment and the corporations. He's uncivil and they love that: All our problems would be fixed if someone would just tell it like it is up in Washington, right? We don't need someone sucking up to the Kochs, we just need someone to stand up to the chinese! That's the mentality.
That's Trump's base, and he can't lose them unless he says something to offend them. Was anyone he insulted going to vote for him anyway? The mainstream can win if they unify quickly and effectively, or discredit Trump in a way that matters to his fans. Neither seems likely.
>>24606488
Whatever black vote is in the Republican party. See the right-leaning media outlets. They're losing their fucking minds over Trump and Cruz, so they're latching on to whatever - as is the party machine, which has a lot of $$$ (ie, Kochs have yet to endorse.) Trump (or Cruz, but prob Trump) will face his biggest challenge when the party culls their field down to one challenger,who will be able to tout whatever advantage the GOP can come up with to fight Trump/Cruz.
>>24606327
Because this is what they actually do retard. I volunteered for Jeb Bush's campaign in Florida for some money and they prescreen who shows up. They also hire people to show up.
I'm not doubting that Trump has a good amount of supporters, but do you really believe young shitskins and ~25-year-old Sarasota tumblr white women are going to show up for Trump? Don't forget that most of the crowd is older, do you think he magically convinced this many old feeble people in Sarasota to come outside and see him? He would have needed to pool in thousands of people from across the state to make it really work.
He got 12,000 Sarasota (liberal) natives to show up to his rally out of about 55K people? Why would there be protesters if you had this many supporters in your town? You would assume that's a conservative town, right?
Don't forget that 22% of the population in Sarasota is over the age of 65, so this means he would have needed almost the entire older population of the town to show up to his rally. Yet, you see old people standing outside and protesting. Guess what 22% of 55K is, it's about 12,000. He would have needed every single old person in Sarasota to show up.
>>24606565
bernie sanders is an IRL kuckold?
>>24598438
>mixed with Hitler
Wew lad.
>>24606576
Meme Magikz will win the presidency, then the CIA/FBI who monitor the chans will summon the Anti-Christ the same way sometime around 2030.
Calling it now, screen cap this.
>>24606084
Can you cite any polls backing that up?
>>24606576
Problem is if that has lasting power.
This is what the GOP is so worried about. The force is behind the more conservative elements, but that doesn't fly so much in the general election. Hence why Rubio's probably the most likely candidate out of the field - he doesn't have the weaknesses of Trump and Cruz long term, and he matches up well against Hildabeast without all the wall-building, etc.
>>24606534
>they should throw their money at Trump/Cruz instead of trying to shoe-horn in who obviously cant win.
We're talking about the party establishment that nominated McCain.
>>24606510
Most people only know econ 101 and seem incapable of understanding the most basic of real-world adjustments to basic economic theory. So the economics of both parties is blasphemy to them. Sanders just has it harder because of "socialism" and that he's very up front about economics instead of just repeating the word 'growth' over and over.
>>24606599
>Liberals and minorities just want to take away their jobs and freedom, and force multiculturalism, upsetting a comfortable status quo
I love that your implying any of this isnt 100% true, as shown by multiple years of american history.
>>24606683
Its almost like the Republican party doesnt WANT to win.
>>24606721
Did you just stop reading right there? Of course it's (mostly) true, as I implied. My issue is that so many people in the south are too brainwashed to have coherent views on anything, which leads to useless idiots like Trump becoming popular.
>>24606816
No, I read the entire thing. You are implying any of those positions are untrue, and thats what sways the 'idiots'.
The people that doubt trump or think he is 'stewpeed' should look through his history and read his book. He is incredibly intelligent. Playing the masses to your side by simplifying your positions is the correct way to do things (Bernie could take a lesson or two), but if you look at his actual policies lined up (available on his website) they are very good for the country on a whole.
The only idiots in this situation are the liberal fence sitters going democrat because ''lel hitler'' without realizing most of his policies are very central which will be good when trying to compromise between party lines. Trump knows this, which is why he doesnt focus on those aspects when talking to the conservative base, but instead of build wall.
When he is out of primaries and already established in the Republican vote, I am sure you will see him hitting these points more often to try and get those who were for Bernie before he dropped out as those people also dislike Hillary on a whole.
Either way, fun ride.
The media hates the living shit out of him, which is really the only chance he has, is getting the "annoyed with pc bullshit" vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32577Hom08
>>24606925
What's swaying the idiots is his attitude, not his positions. His statements on the whole are conflicted as to whether he actually opposes mostly unrestricted immigration. His positions on essential values are as flexible and evolving as Hillary's. Trump has nothing to do with. what matters to the people blindly backing him.
>Playing the masses to your side by simplifying your positions is the correct way to do things
Simplifying your positions is one thing, not having them is another. His past writings and statements are a constantly changing mess of typical liberalism fused with conservative positions where he can't stomach the liberals. As of now his website has positions on VA reform (appeal to the love of veterans), 3 basic areas where he attempts to gain some conservative credentials, and trade as a fuck-you to the establishment. Nothing about gays, no promises to control future immigration, no protections for the christian faith.
>most of his policies are very central which will be good when trying to compromise between party lines
Not really, I'd hope his immigration and trade stuff would be common sense but when you look at the mainstream there is no hope. Even taxes: it's either flat tax retards or sanders.
>I am sure you will see him hitting these points more often to try and get those who were for Bernie before he dropped out as those people also dislike Hillary on a whole.
Maybe we'll see some more of that single payer bullshit, and his support for gay marriage and love for multiculturalism. His idiot fans probably won't even care.
>>24598438
Can't wait to vote for him.
>>24607251
>Simplifying your positions is one thing, not having them is another.
He has them outlined, as you say after this sentence, on his website. Also, in the debates and Rallies.
>Nothing about gays, no promises to control future immigration, no protections for the christian faith.
What of gays? He doesnt need to say anything. He has a ton of promises to stop future illegal immigration- how much more future than 'build wall'? And Christian faith? who the fuck cares, why would that be outlined on his website on policy?
>Not really, I'd hope his immigration and trade stuff would be common sense but when you look at the mainstream there is no hope. Even taxes: it's either flat tax retards or sanders.
you have no idea what you are talking about. Heres a hint: very simplified version of his plans have already been posted in this thread. Also, >implying flat tax to bring business back to USA is a bad thing
>Maybe we'll see some more of that single payer bullshit, and his support for gay marriage and love for multiculturalism. His idiot fans probably won't even care.
I dont even know what the fuck your going on about now. And as long as its not thousands of no bodies that do nothing or illegally, I could give a shit about multiculturalism. And leave the gays to their own thing, more important fish to fry.
>>24604692
Inheritance taxes are unconstitutional. That money has already been taxed once.
>>24607437
Stop pretending you're not a liberal, please. "Who the fuck cares" about the christian faith and multiculturalism? Who needs detailed policies about ALL the issues that matter? Conservatives do.
>>24598438
Our only hope.
>>24607617
Im a moderate who registered GOP just to vote for Trump.
I didnt realize religious faith was a policy that effected anything of value. Oh wait, it doesnt. This is why the GOP has been failing for years- you idiots keep going after shit that doesnt fucking matter instead of real issues that the Democrats keep fucking over our future generations with.
>>24605814
but the O's play springball in Sarasota
>>24607617
Some do, some don't.
People's individual values are a spectrum, not everyone is black and white conservative/liberal.
Want to vote for Trump in the hopes he cuts back on the goddamned gibs until only octogenarians and crippled veterans on the dole.
But I also want the Iran deal to stay in place to piss off the Jews and because I like Persian qts.
>>24607675
In my opinion, what the liberals are destroying is the cultural foundation of America. That includes the Christian faith. If you don't want useless immigrants collecting welfare, you ought to care about the cultural heritage that made us successful.
>>24607765
Where does Trump fall on that spectrum then? If kicking some immigrants out is 90% of your consistent individual values, that sure isn't conservative or liberal, but it doesn't really deserve much respect.
>>24603577
>Wants to repeal NAFTA
Fuck yeah I didn't know that, he's got my vote.
>>24599127
I'm not conservative but I know a ton because I live in the Midwest, and all of the ones that really follow politics and research what the candidates say either want Rubio or Carson. The ones that pretty much only care during election season or when a liberal in power does something wrong tend to be the ones that like Trump. When I ask them why, I get the same vague response of "this country needs to be run like a business" and "we need to stop the illegals from taking our jobs."
This is basically what happened to Trump.
>Trump holds rally announcing he is running
>Rants about how the wall needs to be built and how illegal immigrants are destroying the country and how it is dangerous to have an unchecked border
>Everyone calls him racist, media gives him tons of attention because they see it as a quick way to eliminate a candidate that doesn't fit the narrative
>Just a little while after Trump does this an incident that gets national attention takes place, an illegal immigrant kills a citizen, then more events like this get uncovered
>People realize Trump was right and he was the only candidate willing to get up there and say what he thought
>Media is now in a hilarious backtracking battle trying to destroy Trump any way they can
>They have planted people in interviews and rallies to ask "Gotcha" questions, all of which have been BTFO by Trump himself
>Media is now resorting to calling him a racist and making fun of the way he looks
>Seth Meyers recently compared him to Hitler
>John Oliver, Colbert, and pretty much any other Libkek you could name can't stop talking about him because they are looking for any possible way to dirty his name
Usually if the media hates someone they are good, if they like someone they are bad. Trump can't be stopped, and Ted Cruz is currently considering dropping out and becoming Trump's VP. If that happens Trump is guaranteed a win, Cruz will probably decide what he will do by the time his Iowa numbers come in.
>>24598916
So you're gonna vote for Kanye in 2020 right? Outside of music critics the media fucking hates the guy, and even most of the critics that like his music don't like his personality.
>>24607923
>Trump is guaranteed a win
Have you seen his polling numbers vs. Clinton? They're bad. Real bad. The GOP lost the last election cycle by not pandering to Latinos, and were going to try to this time around, hence Bush and Rubio. They're a huge voting bloc and will absolutely go out just to vote against Trump.
>>24607882
>In my opinion, what the liberals are destroying is the cultural foundation of America. That includes the Christian faith. If you don't want useless immigrants collecting welfare, you ought to care about the cultural heritage that made us successful.
I'd never imagine I'd run into one of you people on 4chan, much less /r9k/. Faith and culture is decided by the people. Laws and international policy are completely separate. If your voting on someone for some sense of moralistic values you think they share instead of policy and reality you are everything wrong with politics, as thats exactly what the left tries to do with muh immigrants family muh culture of immigrants muh womens rights muh dindunuffin instead of facing reality.
fuck you.
>Where does Trump fall on that spectrum then? If kicking some immigrants out is 90% of your consistent individual values, that sure isn't conservative or liberal, but it doesn't really deserve much respect.
100% of ILLEGALS. Say that out loud- ILL-E-GALS. NOT LEGAL. BREAKING THE LAW. He doesnt give two shits about legal, documented, immigrants that show they can actually add to America and not drain it. Who cares about the left/right on this- its about upholding the LAW and reality of what undocumented numbers do to infrastructure and the money they cost.
>>24607993
I saw a poll on /pol/ that showed a fair number of Mexicans like Trump, black people as well. Cruz has good numbers, but if he isn't high enough to stay in he'll go Trump's VP, which would mean Trump will have all of Cruz's supporters. I think he has a lot better of a chance than you think, if it comes down to him vs. Hillary I think it will be close. Most Democrats don't like Hillary, that is why they wanted Biden to run.
Wish I was American just so I could vote for Trump, just seeing those Bernie fags BTFO would make it all worthwhile. The face we'd get a meme-preident is the icing on the cake
>>24607993
>>Bush
Not after he let The Donald shit all over his family.
>>Rubio
Yeah, working class Mexicans will totally relate to a rich European looking Cuban guy.
>>24603649
keeping corporate tax high doesnt help anyone. those people just leave to other countries and substidize and then import the work back for free. Trump explains this very clearly- high taxes on corporations just keeps them out, insuring they leave, jobs are lost, and the usa govt gets no taxes. Its a nice theory to think taxing them more will help, but the reverse happens when they just go 'lol nope' and leave.
>>24608050
>>100% of ILLEGALS. Say that out loud- ILL-E-GALS. NOT LEGAL. BREAKING THE LAW. He doesnt give two shits about legal, documented, immigrants that show they can actually add to America and not drain it.
Leftists have successfully convinced everyone that immigration is this binary issue: you either support open borders or you're a xenophobic bigot.
>>24608050
except he's going about it wrong. undocumented immigrants benefit companies that are willing to use them to save money on taxes and avoid having to build a real American company. the companies deliberately avoid hiring Americans in favor of illegals. if they can't get jobs here, they'd go home. but they do, and will easily skirt a 'wall' in the hyper-unlikely chance that did happen.
>>24607993
It upsets me illegals are allowed to vote. Only fucking democracy where you dont need an ID to prove your an american citizen. Its no wonder CA consistently votes Democrat when 99% of their population is illegal.
>>24608050
>If your voting on someone for some sense of moralistic values you think they share instead of policy and reality you are everything wrong with politics
Which is why I want to see policy that backs up the culture of America instead of gambling it on the willingness of new immigrants to assimilate.
>He doesnt give two shits about legal, documented, immigrants that show they can actually add to America and not drain it
And how's that working out for the EU? Even pre-Syria it was a trainwreck. Trump has said repeatedly he would expand legal immigration. That's harmful to the economy, and more so to America's heritage.
>fuck you.
how mad
>>24607882
I'm not arguing for or against Trump, just pointing out that claiming "Consrevatives support this" or "Liberals support that" is not reality.
>>24608166
He talks about this- he wants to punish companies swiftly and hard to do just this. Its part of his ''deportation'' plan. Of course, most idiots never listen to the debates, view candidates websites, or watch rallies so of course you wouldnt know this.
>>24608143
>Leftists have successfully convinced everyone that immigration is this binary issue: you either support open borders or you're a xenophobic bigot.
its maddening.
Smart men realize Rand Paul is the president we need
>>24608251
back to 2008 reddit
>>24608201
>Which is why I want to see policy that backs up the culture of America instead of gambling it on the willingness of new immigrants to assimilate.
>And how's that working out for the EU? Even pre-Syria it was a trainwreck. Trump has said repeatedly he would expand legal immigration. That's harmful to the economy, and more so to America's heritage.
are we even talking about the same candidate anymore?
>how mad
more mad at myself for arguing with a kike worshiping tard or responding to b8. Ill stop now.
>>24608241
why do i have trouble believing him when he says that? oh, right: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-immigrants-backs.html
>>24608283
Yeah, like most Trump fans you're talking about the Trump you've projected your views onto. He's great at facilitating it, doesn't make him less of a weasel.
>>24608267
That was Ron.
>>24608367
just because he hasn't gone loony about the fed yet doesn't make rand all that different
>>24608314
>thedailybeast
might as well link to gawker
>>24602191
Avoiding every law except the one they are constantly breaking.
I don't see your point, serial killers probably avoid breaking other laws too so they don't get caught.
In fact, if anything your argument is that criminals will avoid the crimes they don't commit, to minimize getting caught for the ones they do; still a criminal.
>>24602559
What about all the ethnic groups in Africa and Asia? For example, are the Han, Viet and Hmong people three different races?
Trump probably isn't the best Presidential Candidate I'm sort of hoping Jeb Bush gets the Republican nomination out of all the candidates I've heard about. I think his experience at having the governor position of a state puts him far ahead of Trump and his political connections would make him more effective at being president than other candidates.
>>24609999
Nice Quads tbqhf
>>24598438
>Here (England) people think he's like Bush mixed with Hitler.
I don't. Nice to see someone who's prepared to do what's best for the majority for a change. Call me Dave and comrade Corbyn could learn a thing or two.
>>24598438
Let me redpill you on Trump...
>>24606565
Looks like he's right about everything after all.
>>24605416
It's actually 100% accurate
