I can't take it anymore.
>constant pressure from society to get a job
>parents no longer support my lifestyle
>running out of money
I don't want a corporate job, nor do I want a manual labor job, or a waiting job.
It's fucking over.
>>24462880
Your life what?
>>24462880
God damn just kill yourself already you entitled shit.
Tell you rbitch ass parents if that's how it will be you want your inheritance now. Legally they have to give you everything they own. If it came down to buyng tendies and letting you stay in the basement or everything they own "m sure they'd come to their sense.
>>24462917
How exactly is OP the entitled one? He didn't ask to be born. His parents owe him at least this much.
>>24462940
It worked in the Bible, I don't see why it wouldn't work now.
>>24462880
Try crime maybe?
>>24462940
It's not that I want to live in their house forever. My mom's stupid boyfriend comes over and sits on his ass everyday, and cramps my fucking style.
>>24462975
Be more specific.
>>24462940
Lol are you retarded? That's not how inheritance works.
>>24462965
If you didn't want to be alive then just kill yourself, don't complain about it to anyone else, just kill yourself. Do it for yourself
>>24463127
If I kill myself, I'll just be reincarnated back onto this shit-hole planet.
No one "owes" you anything. You can drop out of life if you want to.
>>24463012
sell people candy and flowers
>>24463127
That's not how it works. They created teh life and they are obligated to care for it until they die. They don't get to choose to give me both life and unlife. It's only one or the other.
>>24463415
meant to reply to >>24462965text for mistah robot
It is over, accept it or move on...
>>24463415
I don't owe the world anything either yet I have to get a "job" to support myself and this shit system just because most weak-minded normies have bowed down and accepted it.
>>24463566
I agree with your thought processing.
>>24463438
at the same time?
>>24463566
Why don't you find something you're actually good at, or learn a unique skill that you can make money off of?
>>24463658
If that's what the customer wants.
>>24463743
Fuck the customer.
>>24462880
Technocratic or academic job?
>>24463915
FUCK THE SYSTEM
>>24463953
FUCKIN TECHNOCRATES ALWASY GOTTA GIVE ME AFUCKING PASSWORD BEFORE I CAN OPEN EM
ASSS DICK BALLS
>>24462880
what exactly is your lifestyle?
And remember, you don't always have to play by the rules. You canlive by yourself in a conrner of the world, become a criminal to get your money, or kill yourself
>>24463385
Im sorry to break it to you but when your dead , your fucking dead. Your soul or essence sadly doesnt exist, just a lie people tell themselves to escape the harsh truth of death.
>>24463566
>I don't owe the world anything
who provided water, means of transportation, education, housing, electricity, safety, food, internet and the computer your using?
>>24463566
Thats a very cute and childlike way to view the world. Do you think an antelope bemoans the fact that it is constantly chased by predators? No it doesnt. Its just the way the fucking world works. And just because you ignore the rules of this world that everyone has to abide by it doesnt mean they dont apply to you. So fucking man the fuck up like everyone else has to or you truly dont deserve to breath the same air we do. Pathetic piece of shit.
>>24463953
What's the difference between the two?
>>24464128
My lifestyle is simple.
I like practicing the martial arts, studying, cooking and eating, and making art.
I'd jump into crime, if I knew where to start.
Yeah work is dumb desu. They expect you to work hard and try very hard but they give you nothing in return. Then they get upset when you lose motivation and stop trying. They act like you are a piece of shit even though without people like you they would be nothing.
>>24464151
I wish that were true, but I've seen the other side.
IF that were true, I'd kill myself.
>>24464238
Some faggots that predate us, and believed in a uniformed economy under the state of ignorance.
>>24462880
I'm almost in a similar predicament. I'm seriously considering suicide.
>>24464347
if you like to study, why don't you get into a stem field and have a job studying?
>>24464274
An antelope doesn't possess the cognitive abilities to begin to understand what is happening.
>>24464377
The other "side" was the firing of your neurons while you were in REM sleep. I have "seen" the apocalypse. Dont underestimate the power of a brain
>>24464438
I dropped out of school because I don't like formal education, nor advocate the corporate world.
>>24464399
>provide essentials you'd be helpless without
>''lol stupid faggots.''
>>24463566
No you don't, be a vagabond
>>24464458
Actually, I've had near death experiences, as well as drug-induced states of death.
Just because you listen to what science knows today, doesn't mean you know what the truth is.
You're focusing too much on the physical state of existence.
>>24464472
then just kill yourself. This modern society has been constructed to benefit and allow the life of the weak-minded liberals like you, and yet you go and refuse it. Basically evolution is cutting you off.
Seriously, do society a favor and kill yourself
>>24464487
I'd be fine living on a subsistence farm with no internet or electricity, but I live in gay ass America where everyone kills each other for money and recognition.
>>24464559
you don't want to even work in a library, the most confy job ever. Do you really think you could live in a farm?
>>24464541
I'm not a liberal though.
I've considered suicide, but I'd just be put back in another human body.
Also, modern society has not been constructed to help "the weak". The weak is those who believe there is a difference between workers and the people.
>>24464559
then join the amish. you wont because you're useless. spoiled goods. by the time you're 40 you wont be able to hold a normal conversation.
>>24464597
I have lived on a farm.
Give me women, drugs, and crops--the rest will fill the gaps.
start buying lottery tickets. Its the only way out
>>24464446
You seem to miss the punchline. In this world there are environments. These environments are either created by man or nature. Environments created by nature has certain laws to survive ergo the antelope. In environments created by man there are other Laws , the fundamental one being working for your livelihood. And as soon as you dont play by the rules your a weakling that doesnt deserve to live. Its just as simple as that.
>>24464610
I'm not a Christian, and the Amish are specifically that.
Actually, older people tell me how much better at conversations I am than other people my age.
>>24464644
Reminder. Animals don't have to pay taxes to live on a planet they were born on, you fucking brain dead slave.
>>24464636
lol
>>24464644
I think you missed the point of, "Who created the nature we find ourselves in?".
No one ever takes the time to smell the roses, for fear of getting pricked.
>>24464664
>I'm not a Christian
and? does it physically break you to lie?
sure you can talk now, but after dwelling in the basement for a while you'll forget. you'll be wrapped in inside jokes and a different way of speaking.
>>24464705
animals don't have firemen, police and doctors.
>>24464519
Its pretty ironic because I used to be big into psychedelics and astral projection and all the otherside bullshit. Then I did some research into psychology and the human brain. Maybe you should too. Its comforting to live under the assumption that when we die there is a special place waiting for us when we die. Comfortable ....but mistaken.
>>24464745
>physically break you to lie
I couldn't live with Christians.
Just because I live with my parents, doesn't mean I'm fucking severed from society.
>>24464705
I really dont know why I expected you to understand in the first place. You have be slow of mind to come to the irrational conclusion that you have. No wonder your life is in such a shitty state. All you can do is wallow in your delusions but if that gets you through the day so be it.
>>24464780
Animals don't use electricity, shoot up schools, or fabricate organized crime.
Also, niggers.
Most illnesses these days are due to poor dieting, and animals are immune to diseases because they've been on this planet longer, purportedly.
>>24464873
>Just because I live with my parents, doesn't mean I'm fucking severed from society.
the day will come.
>>24464781
I studied psychology before I ever experimented with psychedelics, in fact, I still study psychology.
You create your own reality. Yours just happens to be bleak, and unpronounced.
>>24464924
This is the most uneducated statement I have read in a long time.
>>24464881
Straw man, ad hominem, etc.
You're the delusional one, compadre.
>>24464664
I think I found you on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ViOAUNuq58
>>24464976
Thanks for refuting the central flaws.
Just because you graduated from central florida state university, doesn't mean you know shit about anything.
Humans are learning something new everyday.
>>24465025
How coincidental that you found that just now!
What I said was without ego, I'm sorry I offended you.
>>24464559
Lol, no you wouldn't.
I'd be VERY fucking surprised if you had any agricultural skill, much less the commendable drive and motivation needed for subsistence farming.
>>24464924
>animals are immune to diseases
Most common human viral diseases jumped to us from animals; urbanization and domestication allowed viruses to spread before humans could develop proper antibodies. Also most animals get eaten before they can develop a disease.
>>24464924
>Animals don't use electricity, shoot up schools, or fabricate organized crime.
no they do cannibalism, necrophilia, pedophilia and incest.
animals aren't immune to diseases. the reason they might be rare in the wild is because they get left behind and becomes pray to predators of all kinds.
>>24465038
Christ, that bloodninja stuff is ancient
>>24465073
>nuh uh
Alright, pleb.
>>24465139
What does that have to do with humans being genetically inferior and susceptible to diseases on this planet?
>>24464988
How exactly are you being oppressed by the system?
You sound like the overweight ghetto lady with a $500 dollar purse complaining about the white man keeping her down.
You never addressed >>24463683 either.
>>24465151
What is a lion's predator?
>>24465211
I'm being oppressed by capitalism because I don't want money.
>you never addressed
because that wasn't me, dingus
>>24465239
bugs, birds, hyenas, elephants and crocodiles when the lion is weakened
>>24465297
If bugs are a predator, then you have a chance.
>>24465200
How are we genetically inferior?
Most human diseases come from poor lifestyle, or occur when people reach middle age, a stage most animals never get to in the wild because something eats them first.
Humans have had more exposure to disease throughout history than most other animals.
>>24465239
Humans, either directly or indirectly through destruction of habitat and consequential starvation.
>>24465505
That ain't a predator, habitat destruction as uncared-for collateral damage isn't predation.
We would be more properly classified as "niggers", I feel.
>>24465295
What do you mean? I know it wasn't you, but you didn't answer the question.
Instead of complaining, why not find something you're good at and pursue it, and then worry about the money later.
Without the support of family or friends, you kind of need money to survive whether you like it or not.
>>24465563
Okay, lions have practically no natural predators, but >>24465151 never implied that every animal had predators, just that most do and it is the usual way for an animal to die.
>>24465462
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Humans create our own problems.
>>24465640
Then there is no black and white when concerns of living life.
>>24465682
Animals aren't much better though, many species kill over resources just as humans do.
>>24465576
I am good at art, but am in the wrong market for said art. I need substantial money to move anywhere in this country.
>>24465038
>funny, i still can't see it
Fucking kek, every time.
>>24465740
I'd kill humans too, but it's illegal--unless you're killing sand niggers in the name of capitalism.
>>24465640
Just saying that we don't engage in predatory behavior through deforestation or desertification.
That's just niggerdry.
>>24465754
Why not get a job for a few months and then move somewhere to set up a studio?
>>24465858
lol
You know how much money that would cost, and how much the cost of living is?
>>24465914
Where are you planning to move? If your parents don't make you pay rent you could save up a lot in a few months of work, and then move somewhere else.
You could find an apartment with roommates to if you want to save money. Seriously, if you have ambitions and dreams then go for it.
>>24466044
I've already found a roommate, it's just that it doesn't matter how much I save up. I live in a flyover state, and I'm trying to move to the big city.
>https://wwoofusa.org/our-farms/?status%5B%5D=open_now&length_of_visit%5B%5D=Long+Term
>>24466202
People manage to make it in the big city. Just get a job in a restaurant or something and do your art on the side. A job could even be useful for making connections in the art world.
>>24462880
honestly having a hard time believing this isn't bait. No one can possibly be this autistic
So get diagnosed with some crippling mental illness like MAD, Autism, etc.
Go join the military and get PTSD. The checks you get for that are very sizeable.
>>24466352
Are you new here? There's much worse on a daily basis.
Even most "normal" kids in college aren't much more mature than OP in their attitude towards society and the world.
>>24466202
>it's just that it doesn't matter how much I save up.
Dude, what?
I don't see how the amount you're saving is irrelevant. Nor do I see the impossibility of saving a sufficient sum to support yourself for some months in the city.
Let's be conservative with our numbers here; let's assume that rent (even with a roommate) and living expenses are going to total 1500/month for you. This is a ludicrously high number, mind you.
If you got a minimum wage job at 40 hours you're making around 300 untaxed each week- let's put this at 250 per week untaxed. Since you've not mentioned employment, I'm assuming you're living rent-free with family. No judgement, I'm doing the same right now!
Assuming all of this, it'd take you 24 weeks to save up enough for 4 months estimated living expenses. If you're unable to find a job in the city at this point...you must've moved to an absolute shithole of a city!
This estimation is purposefully assuming the worst; a true minimum-wage job and outlandish rent costs. Your real situation should take less time.
Could you explain why all of this is impossible, please?
>>24466428
>i don't wanna
>>24466428
Because I refuse to work a minimum wage job.
>>24466425
How is it mature to accept the sorry state of the world, and conform to its malicious standards?
>>24463566
So go live off the grid, go join the Amish.
>>24466518
what about
>>24466282
>desperately want a job
>apply for anything and everything
>revises my CV over and over again
>buy formal wear just for interviews (didn't eat for almost a week to pay for it)
>lucky to receive thanks but no thanks rejections
Fuck you, OP, you piece of shit. I'm going to end up homeless at this rate.
>>24462880
Say OP, how are all those years of blowing off responsibility and doing nothing with your life paying off now?
>>24466628
You seem too aware of the situation.
>>24466583
Not Op, but I'm in the same boat.
I just want a shitty retail job. I use to do a labor job but I damaged my leg and I can't do heavy lifting anymore. I wish someone would just give me a day to show them I'm keen worker. I've even offering to work a day for free.
I'm leaving off welfare at the moment, it covers my rent and bills and I have left over 20 dollars a week for food and nothing more.
>>24466282
I'm gonna look into that.
Do you have experience with it?
>>24466518
Oh.
I see.
You know, there DO exist entry-level jobs that aren't minimum wage. I purposefully scratched together the worst-case scenario.
Do you mean to say "I refuse to work for another person"? Or "I refuse to work"?
Your OP said you don't want a corporate, labour, or waiting/customer service job. Seems to be the only other thing is education and research. OH, and medicine I suppose. Not exactly entry-level..
>How is it mature to accept the sorry state of the world, and conform to its malicious standards?
Malicious standards? That is a severe misuse of the word "malicious"
The societal norms you take large issue with are not founded out of malice; out of desire to see other humans suffer. It's all about certain individuals and groups gaining resources. Very few people are actually malicious or evil, you know.
Furthermore, "the sorry state of the world" isn't obligatory to accept. Your perception of the world is vastly different from my own; you can change yours as well. I find the world to be cruel at times, but perfectly magical and lovely.
I mean, you won't flip your head around, but you COULD.
Hope your folks don't suffer too much on your account.
>>24466826
>I've even offering to work a day for free.
I understand why this sounds like a good idea. You're looking for a chance to prove yourself, to show that you'll benefit whatever company or employer you hop on with.
BUT DON'T DO THIS
If you do this, you're fucked at that location. It just isn't an effective method. Not to mention rather illegal; and employers are surely nervous of labor law litigation just as someone getting a hooker off backpage is nervous she's a cop.
Look at hotel clerk jobs- extraordinarily easy, very few requirements for hiring, albeit low pay mostly. At least from my experience, they're mostly staffed by felons and single mothers (or felonious single mothers, oh boy!) with few applicable job skills. Not difficult to beat them out.
Instead of saying you'll work a day for free, emphasize that your schedule is COMPLETELY open. Make it clear that you'll work nights, weekends, holidays, etc. Any and all shifts.
Good luck, homie.
>>24466861
Just because you refuse to see the world as malicious, doesn't mean that it isn't.
People are inherently evil, even if you seem to get along with them.
>>24466518
What about serving people coffee or washing dishes to support your creative endeavors is "malicious"?
Do you have a better idea for how the world should be? Even if you do, it makes sense to just suck it up in the meantime and get some kind of job.
>>24466945
>hotels, one of the most image-conscious industries that wants their guests treated like royalty
>hiring felons
>>24466969
>how
You're still perpetuating the cogs of capitalism that represent the evil things that happen in this world.
People wonder why terrorists are killing them, and it's not for their "freedom".
>>24462965
No one asked to be born shit for brains. By your autistic theory your parents should be completely supported by their parents, who are equally being screwed by their parents who should be supporting and being supported themselves. Everyone is entitled to 18 years of being a child, beyond that is a gift. Once you parents give up, you can live in the real world where things are hard sometimes, or you can die.
Where's your comfy pepe image now?
>>24462880
hahahah
fucking dumb ass neets lose again
>>24462880
same, listen to me, OP this is my plan
>move far away from my parent like a few states if your a burgerfag like me, say you are starting a new life but our parents will just be glad that we just got off our asses
>find a job (i know but it wont be for long)
>save enough money to quit and live for at least 3 months of food and enough to pay bills (this is necessary)
>go to mental health doctor
>fake schizophrenia this will be easy since i have numerous mental disorders (DO NOT say you are hearing voices)
>get meds toss them away
>keep "trying" new ones
>say that they are helping but they are making you sleepy and depressed but its better than the other symptoms of schizophrenia
>sign up for NEETbux
>tell them you have schizophrenia and show them meds for proof, your mental health doctor will conform this
>try not to over exadurate the symptoms, do your research
>tell them you cant work because of your schizophrenia and that you are running out of money because you are
>seeing that you have been unemployed for over three mounths due to schizophrenia chances are they will say yes
>acquire NEETbux and live the comfy NEETlife
reason i will move away is because my dad dose not believe in mental disorders and if he saw me on NEETbux he would blow my cover
hope it works, good luck
>>24467049
Even undeveloped countries have some form of exchange of labor for money or resources.
If you truly reject current society as much as you say, the most logical thing to do is kill yourself. Suicide is the most rebellious act you can perform in a capitalistic society.
>moved out of home when I was 18
>graduated college with high honors in a field I am interested in
>landed first job I applied for
>moved up into new and better career paths by making friends and being a helpful and communicative person with skills
>now married and make over 90K a year doing what I love
Sucks to be you OP
>>24466962
We both fervently believe (although the intensity can't even be quantified if we could properly compare our consciousnesses) in our own frameworks that explain or compliment reality.
You know that you're right.
I know that I'm right.
I wonder what must've took place for you to develop these strong beliefs.
>>24467144
Gives me some ideas.
>>24467152
God dammit, if I kill myself I'll just be placed in another body on this god-forsaken planet.
>>24467028
Excuse me.
I should've said "motels". Not a classy-ass joint. Like, I'm talking Super 8, Days Inn, etc. Primarily Indian-owned locations, at least in my region.
They pay for shit, and they violate ERISA statutes by forming a child company for each motel's location so they avoid paying any benefits or overtime. But getting hired is easy as fucking shit.
>>24467144
Do you mean your dad doesn't believe in any kind of mental disorder, even schizophrenia, or do you mean he would be able to tell that you were faking?
>>24467164
You'll get cancer and question everything soon enough.
>>24462880
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA
NEET FAGGOTS BTFO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>24467164
>boasting on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum
>successful
>>24467208
What makes you so sure of this?
>>24467169
Growing up in a decrepit city with low standards, but unfortunately--the way to assess anything is to observe the weaker points of its existence.
>>24467144
>>24467185
I don't know why I'm helping you cunts. I won't even allow a buddy to get me a drink or something with his EBT.
But we're on the internet together, right?
http://pastebin.com/6u5nwBhK
This seems to be the most effective, detailed, but concise guide to leeching off of the teat of your fellow man and squandering everything that those coming before us have accomplished.
>>24467217
at first he'll think i'm faking to get out of work but if i persist he might believe me
he would just make it harder
be glad if you have nice supportive parents
>>24467266
>the way to assess anything is to observe the weaker points of its existence
You are literally a pessimist.
>>24467265
A myriad of clues.
My parents were quite wealthy until I was about 21. I studied, observed, meditated and took mind-altering substances to uncover the true nature of reality. Of course, I've only just begun.
Now that they are no longer rich, I can no longer spend my time studying.
>>24462880
I always found it funny that the proud NEET threads would include people saying "tick tock". Yeah, tick tock on our weekends, but in the background there is a slower and louder tick tock that heralds the end of your ride on NEETdom and it's gonna be a rude awakening.
Tick tock NEETs
>>24467273
Sounds right up my alley.
>I don't like EBT either.
>>24467314
We can learn from our mistakes, can't we?
>>24466826
Fuck off the internet then you broke nigger
>>24467327
Have you thought about traveling?
You could teach English in an exotic country somewhere. It's still work, but experiencing another culture might change you.
>>24467341
You seem to have a lot of built-up resentment.
>>24467384
Yeah, I'd love to.
But, I don't know any other languages.
>>24467368
Yeah, but you made it sound like things were defined completely by their negative qualities.
>MUH WAGEKEKS
>MUH SMUG FACEBOOK FROG PICTURES
>MUH NEET LIFE
THIS IS THE REALITY YOU PARASITIC FAGGOTS
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>24464781
I overall agree with the point you're making anon.
>>24467409
You don't need to, most English teaching jobs require you to use English only.
Once you're in the country you could learn the local language.
>>24462880
clean up dead bodies and crime scenes for a living, partly manual labor but largely psychological labor, normies can't handle it
>>24464377
my heart stopped for 2 minutes in the ICU once and I saw nothing before they brought me back. there is no other side.
>>24467414
only shaped
>>24467465
How do I sign up?
>>24467490
that's because you believe that
>>24467528
so the "other side" is whatever each individual person believes it is? do you have any idea how much like wishful thinking that sounds?
>>24467613
well, that happens until your brain stops excreting DMT from your pineal gland.
>>24467465
I tried to get into this when I was younger, around 19. Couldn't really get anywhere on it. Only had one lucrative lead, some guy looking for a pseudo-intern type arrangement to learn the trade. Never panned out.
I do reckon a lot of that had to do with my age. Might look into it again sometime.
>>24467465
>>24467144
Anon from the NEERbux post
being a crime scene cleaner was my backup job if the NEET thing didn't work out
>>24467388
I'm here aren't I? Shouldn't be much of a suprise, I just happen to hate leeches
>>24467528
So why not just stop believing that there is reincarnation, then kill yourself?
Just convince yourself that whatever magical epiphany you experienced with drugs was just chemicals in your brain fucking with you.
>>24467678
me too, but I'm running out of options here
>>24467691
because there's a difference between rejecting reality, and accepting it for what it is.
>>24463454
of course they do
>>24467341
if they have morals they'll realize how low they have sunk at one point. i did after NEETing for two months. got bored of everything and considered suicide to end the boredom.
got a job and did crappy the first month but after feeling tired after a day of honest work and getting my first paycheck i got serious with my life.
NEETs destroy themselves. the longer they stay NEET the harder it will be to turn.
>>24467720
But just convince yourself that what you think is the reality of reincarnation is just something that your mind deluded you into thinking.
>>24467771
>the longer they stay NEET the harder it will be to turn.
Yeah, man. You right.
Spent far too long after I lost my college scholarship and dropped out drinking the nights away and not doing a damned thing for myself or anyone else. Honestly reckon I came close to the point of no return, and it was only around 8 months.
I am horrified at the prospect of feeling as I did back then again. You don't realize how bad it is, or how much better things can be until you've taken action to make it happen. I didn't understand that there was anything else in store for me but despair, stagnation, and rot.
>>24467930
Doesn't change the fact that I'll find myself in a new body three lives down the line, asking myself how I got here.
>>24467974
i just had two months. can't imagine doing that shit for over a year.
i've heard stories of people having their life fucked because they couldn't turn after four months of medical leave. happens when you sit at home watching TV feeling crappy. people need to do something, anything.
>>24463566
This board is beyond saving.
>>24468061
That isn't gonna stop me from going on here and /adv/ half-baked out of my gourd and offering genuine advice and guidance. Pulled directly out of my ass, of course.
Somebody's gotta post those walls of text that get 1-liner responses from the OP or others, you know.
>>24467988
You're completely missing the point.
You only think that you'll be reincarnated because of some drug-induced hippie nonsense your brain fed you. Besides, you won't know you're reincarnated even if you are. Do you remember your "past life"?
>>24467988
If you're stuck in infinite lives, why are you being such an entitled millennial manbaby that thinks the system owes you something in this one?
>>24463566
Prove yourself then. No amount of words can justify yourself. If that was the way the world worked we would all be magic and shit would appear out of the thin air because we argued about it enough.
Do you see how retarded it is to convince other people you "deserve" shit? You have the same slave mentality you hate, its all self-hatred.
>>24462880
There are two options out there
a) get diagnosed with autism, get assbux
b) start a business
>>24468118
I remember at least one of them, but that was through meditation, not drugs.
I'm sure your mainstream science has livened your senses.
>>24468255
>start a business
Do I take out a loan?
>>24467528
It is competitive but doable. It depends on your area, there may be some small company like this close by with openings.
http://county.milwaukee.gov/MedicalExaminer/BioHazardCleanUp.htm
There are larger companies that do something similar, though it not as lucrative.
http://www.rentokil.com
Though to be realistic it would help if you have normy things like no gaps in your recent employment, a driving license and the ability to move to another town if you find a job further afield. You might have to clean toilets and mop floors for a while to prove you can show up on time and work without being a hassle to your employer. If you live rent free with your parents this shouldn't be too difficult.
Throughout this time periodically contact the same employer, once every 3-6 months is reasonable, learn more about it and try to talk to people in the business.
>>24464274
Doesn't mean it's right. OP is correct the system is bullshit. I didn't ask to be here, what's the point in working just to die? Unfortunately the only real solution is to become self-employed which is why I suggested that to OP. Why do you think people stop working when they get rich? because working sucks. You are only defending it because you have no choice but to do it.
>>24467062
>18 years of entitlement
By why such an arbitrary number? The human mind doesn't fully develop until the early 20s.
Also, why would you bring a child into this world without knowing for certain that it would have a secure future? I mean, the act of having a child is entirely selfish. You aren't having a child for the child's benefit, it's entirely for your own.
You're born into a society that looks down upon you for not wanting to participate in a society you didn't choose to be a part of, and they stigmatize you for wanting to kill yourself and make it nearly impossible for you to do so in any painless, humane way.
You seem to be making more of a subjective, emotional appeal rather than a rational one.
>>24468277
Yes. Is your credit good?
>>24468277
When you "remembered" your brain had probably already been considerably fried with drugs.
You might benefit from therapy desu.
>>24468367
fucking excellent
>>24468423
Have you ever considered that you don't know anything more than your mind is capable of knowing?
>>24468344
>You aren't having a child for the child's benefit, it's entirely for your own.
Certainly plenty of people do, in fact, have children for personal benefit. Easiest example are the scum that pop out kids for gub'mint shekels. Less tangible examples are those that do so for emotional support.
But it is fallacious to say that the act of procreation is inherently selfish. Properly raised and with some luck, the progeny can make significant and tangible positive impacts upon the world around them, and its inhabitants. They can assist, in the small way of an individual, the process of social, technological, and spiritual evolution necessary (and inevitable, I'd say!) for the planet.
>Also, why would you bring a child into this world without knowing for certain that it would have a secure future?
I've got a bit of a nihilistic bent in one aspect; the concept of certainty and proof. Nothing's certain, and nothing can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Well, I woke up this morning, and I got myself a beer
The future's uncertain, and the end is always near
>>24468453
Yeah, but that doesn't mean I'll come up with an idea with no evidence like reincarnation.
I don't believe that a pretentious 2deep4work drug user's mind is any more enlightened than mine.
>>24468455
That's one way of saying a lot without really saying anything.
>>24468455
Procreation is inherently selfish, you idiot. It's literally genetic self-preservation.
>>24468487
Then you're a prejudiced individual that needs to look inward before you cast stones at anyone else.
>>24468521
Whatever, I'm just trying to help you out.
Your needlessly antisocial way of thinking will end up hurting you more in the long run.
>>24468505
yeah, it's the most conceited thing one can do.
>muh legacy
>>24468552
It's not only conceited, it's really sadistic.
>>24468551
It's not needless, if I don't want to associate with a close-minded person that values science over knowledge.
>>24468563
I've always said that I wouldn't want to put another creature through this hell.
>>24468505
>>24468552
Procreation may be selfish, but legitimately putting in effort to raise the child isn't.
It's only selfish when people don't take responsibility for their children (which is probably when they end up like you).
Also by your logic adoption at least isn't selfish.
>>24468583
>>24468580
>>24468563
>>24468552
>>24468505
Boy, what an interesting phenomenon. People legitimately believe that child-birth is an intrinsically sadistic act; meant only to provide personal gain on behalf of the parents and intentional suffering to the child.
I can't consider the act of procreation to be selfish when I see no possibility to obtain consent of life from an individual before their birth. If this was possible, it would absolutely be immoral to procreate without consent of the unborn.
But that possibility doesn't exist.
>>24468583
Just because you have your good "christian" ethics to raise your child doesn't mean you're not covering up the fact that you're a vain person wanting to extend your seed into the chasms of space because you're afraid you won't live forever.
>>24468644
I wouldn't say sadistic, but it is rife with the fact that people want to preserve their essence through childbirth--which is objectively self-centered.
>>24468583
Raising a child is still selfish. There are all sorts of negative implications and ramifications if you don't raise your child. You deliberate with the child before you conceive it to see if it wants to be born. You're having a child because YOU want one.
And a person is comprised of more than just their parental influences. So much goes into building a person and it's not all sunshine and rainbows. No one can guarantee that their child will experience more good times than bad. Even if you're the most loving parent at home, eventually your child will have to step out into a cold, bleak world that has no love for it and you don't know what will come of your child once it's out of your care.
>>24468648
there is no shame in fearing the unknown. a beautiful lie can do more good than an ugly truth.
good deeds are still good deeds no matter why someone did it.
>>24468694
That depends on your definition of good, and I think a white lie is still hurtful.
Delusion has brought us to this day of fear and hatred.
Again, people wonder why ISIS is trying to kill the free world.
>>24468644
How is it not sadistic? I wouldn't say wholly sadistic, but there is an element of sadism.
You really don't know what's in store for the kid after it's born. You want a kid for your own selfish reasons, regardless of what may or may not happen to it in the future.
There are tons of kids getting raped, killed and kidnapped every day, and I'm sure their parents had the most loving of intentions when conceiving them. But these are people that are fully aware of how the world operates and still chose to bring another life into this world to appease their own biological desire to live on.
Procreation is selfish, whether it's in humans, cats, mice or any other living creature. But there's no element of sadism with other animals because we are supposedly sapient, moral beings.
>>24468732
having no point in life can destroy people.
some people prefer the truth over all things, some prefer blissful ignorance.
>>24468644
>I can't consider the act of procreation to be selfish when I see no possibility to obtain consent of life from an individual before their birth
That's exactly the logic, if you aren't sure someone wants something you shouldn't force it on them.
If you killed someone would you defend it by saying "They didn't tell me not to!"
>>24468567
Why are you assuming science is at some kind of war with "knowledge", or spirituality, or what have you?
>>24467327
How has nobody called OP out on his fedora bullshit yet?
>>24468648
Well some people want children and grandchildren to be around to comfort them when they die.
>>24468678
I can comprehend and deal with this belief much more than that of sadism being obligatorily present in birth.
Would you say that this phenomenon is completely universal? Affecting the vast majority of people?
For all my optimism and idealism, I recognize that most folks are dreadfully unimaginative, unintelligent, and emotionally/spiritually immature, at this time.
So I can agree that many people do engage in procreation for wholly selfish reasons- the extension of their legacy, social stimulation, monetary gain, etc.
But I can't agree that the very act MUST be self-centered. I do believe that two individuals can have nothing but selflessness behind procreation; intending to enable this child to gain as much satisfaction and happiness as possible. Intending to enable the child to positively affect the world and its population.
>>24468777
Goddamn, this is a beautiful analogy. I'd like to steal it, with your permission, of course.
>>24468777
then kill yourself. you're given a life and you're free to take it.
blaming parents for bringing you into this world is stupid, rude and pointless.
deal with the hand you've been dealt or fold.
>>24468732
ISIS is doing more damage to the Middle East; they're actually helpful to US interests.
>>24468774
Being lied to doesn't change the truth.
>>24468818
Look, man, the act of reproduction is selfish when done in the animal world. Humans can rationalize it and try to find all sorts of reasons to justify doing it, but at the end of the day it's just genetic self-preservation.
This is scientifically irrefutable. Every time someone decides to have a baby, it's for a selfish reason since they can't consult the baby and ask if it wants to be born.
>>24468800
i dunno this board is usually full of retarded normalfag memelords
>>24468762
>There are tons of kids getting raped, killed and kidnapped every day
Most of those are dumb, religious people in undeveloped countries who just spit kids out like rabbits without thinking and wouldn't get abortions even if they could because their priest/imam told them they'd go to hell.
>>24468795
I'm not claiming to have anything, but science is constantly being proven wrong.
So, for you to "know" something right now is of little importance to me.
>>24468855
how do you know what you're saying is the truth?
60 years ago smoking was proven to heal coughing and sore throats.
besides, my point is that some would rather live a lie instead. let them. they're not hurting you.
>>24468816
Comforters are for the weak.
>>24462880
le reddit reeeee meme xDD
>>24468818
If a child was created in a laboratory, then I'd consider it selfless.
>>24468875
That isn't my point. And even still, what if something happens to you and your child's future is doomed because of it? You can't guarantee your safety or theirs.
The statistics of bad things happening may be higher in less developed countries, but that doesn't mean bad things don't happen in developed ones.
There's always a chance and you're putting your desire to have a little version of yourself walking around above the very real threat that your child will inevitably suffer in some way that is out of your control.
>>24468850
I was just using a meme word so people would get the gist.
ISIS, the American negro, the fucking Westboro Baptist church. Choose your poison.
>>24468918
How the hell is it selfless when the decision to be born is still out of the child's hands?
>>24468762
I believe our disagreement may result from semantics. I don't know if we are using the same definition for "sadistic".
I define sadism as the act of intentionally and knowingly inflicting pain on another individual (lets leave animals out of it for simplicity), for the primary purpose of garnering happiness or satisfaction from the suffering itself.
>You really don't know what's in store for the kid after it's born
You're right. No arguing that. However, I also strongly disbelieve in the existence of certainty or objective/universal proof. Given this, if two individuals rearing a child are reasonably certain (the best we can get) they will be able to properly raise and protect the child, I cannot view it as an inherently selfish act, or immoral.
>But these are people that are fully aware of how the world operates
It is important to note the importance of subjective belief. Clearly, both of us believe rather differently about this. We both reckon we're right. We both are rather confident that OUR explanation of "how the world operates" are correct; but these explanations are not the same.
>But these are people that are fully aware of how the world operates
> because we are supposedly sapient, moral beings.
I question the sapience/sentience of real people nearly every day. A disturbing lack of self-awareness and an unintelligent form of apathy is scarily present. I couldn't say with confidence that sapience or sentience comes bundled with membership in the human species. I don't think someone that we have difficulty even finding sapient is "fully aware of how the world operates"
>>24468777
I consider consent to be very important in nearly everything. My ideological and political beliefs rely very heavily upon it. It is a concept very dear to me.
Of course lack of active dissention doesn't imply consent in just about any venue.
I feel as though the murder comparison is an apples to oranges thing.
>>24468822
Yeah, fine.
I was going to use an analogy about raping an unconscious girl, but I realized that would backfire and edgelords would defend it.
>>24468855
No, but most people are too stupid and unstable to handle the truth, so it can be a good thing for society at large if they operate on a happy lie.
>>24462880
Ahahaha come on loser, just get a job at a convenience store or something. It's beyond easy. Even when I do screw up it's never a big deal. I literally just show up on time and tell people where to find stuff they're looking for. I never understood why you guys are against it so much, it's actually really enjoyable.
>>24468899
I don't claim to know anything, but it doesn't negate the fact that there is an objective truth to the universe.
They are not explicitly hurting me, but they are stagnating the human collective unconsciousness.
>>24468864
>Every time someone decides to have a baby, it's for a selfish reason since they can't consult the baby and ask if it wants to be born.
I won't throw another wall of text at you. We're destined to disagree for the time being. I'll try to be succinct.
If the possibility existed for obtaining consent from an unborn individual, and the consent was either unsought or rejected, going forward with that birth would be abhorrently selfish.
However, since such a thing is not yet viable, birth is not intrinsically selfish.
And thanks all for the discussion, even if I'm just about the only one on my "side" putting forth any cogent thought instead of "lol if u hate life kill urself faget". I really do enjoy it.
>>24468969
>No, but most people are too stupid and unstable to handle the truth, so it can be a good thing for society at large if they operate on a happy lie.
See
>>24468990
>>24468955
>I feel as though the murder comparison is an apples to oranges thing.
What's so different?
>person who doesn't want to die is made to die
>person who doesn't want to live is made to live
>>24468990
>I don't claim to know anything, but it doesn't negate the fact that there is an objective truth to the universe.
the truth don't matter since we're never going to find it and be 100% sure of it
>They are not explicitly hurting me, but they are stagnating the human collective unconsciousness.
why does this matter? don't wake people when they're having a wet dream
>>24468955
Unless they're brain dead or legitimately retarded, everyone knows how the world operates, in the sense that there are good and bad people in this world and no one's safety is 100% guaranteed.
I mean, where is the actual logic in having a child in this day and age? They consume your time and resources for decades, just so they can maybe make it on their own in this world and do things totally unrelated to you that more than likely won't benefit you at all.
Other than the satisfaction of knowing that some part of you will still exist when you're gone, there's no reason to have kids today. These aren't hunter-gatherer days where the bigger the tribe the more success and longevity we're guaranteed. There's no rational reason to have kids anymore. It's biological impulse at this point in time.
>>24469058
If everyone thought like you, we'd have no modern thought.
>>24469070
''the whole is more than the sum of its parts''
the world is more than protons, neutrons and electrons. its life.
>>24469010
Selfishness isn't some subjective word. It's not inherently good or bad.
Either a deed is done for the purpose of the self or it's not. You're arguing an objective fact, not my opinion. Having offspring is self preservation. It's literally ensuring your genes survive another generation.
>>24469053
Let's take two ambiguous people for example. Now, one of them is perfectly able to give his or her consent to his or her own murder. They can say "I, in sound mind and judgement, consent to my own death at the hands of this man next to me"
I mean, damn near nobody is going to consent to their own murder. But I'm sure it has happened before, and it'll happen again. Important thing is, it is possible and feasible.
It is not feasible or viable (at this time, I'm always very far future-minded, we may end up with techniques or technology actually ALLOWING this) to obtain consent from an unborn individual. You just can't do it one way or another.
So, the difference lies in the possibility of consent. In one situation, it is possible. In the other, impossible.
>>24469117
Just because it's not post to obtain consent from an unborn child, doesn't mean the act of having a kid isn't selfish.
>>24469146
*possible not post
>>24469068
>I mean, where is the actual logic in having a child in this day and age? They consume your time and resources for decades, just so they can maybe make it on their own in this world and do things totally unrelated to you that more than likely won't benefit you at all.
Most people, especially the uneducated, religious, and poor (most of the world) just get pregnant as teenagers and spit out kids without thinking. Most people are pretty much retarded by your definition. A lot of governments don't even provide any type of welfare for their citizens, people need kids to grow up and take care of them and bring the family money.
It's the dumbest people who have the most kids, and smart people like us who weigh the pros and cons and decide not to. This will end up causing problems down the road.
>>24469068
>I mean, where is the actual logic in having a child in this day and age? They consume your time and resources for decades, just so they can maybe make it on their own in this world and do things totally unrelated to you that more than likely won't benefit you at all.
You're right; having offspring is a large drain on time, effort, and resources. No success is promised, nor any success that occurs obligated to be shared with you. You're right.
>Other than the satisfaction of knowing that some part of you will still exist when you're gone, there's no reason to have kids today
I disagree strongly. I have an intense desire to see rapid technological and social advancement of the human species, resulting in the eventual propagation outside of this planet we're on. Given my confidence in proper child-rearing abilities (not present at this time, nor resources, kids are a rather long way off at age 24 for me), I can meaningfully contribute to this idealistic objective through progeny far more than I could on my own.
If you say that is irrelevant since I'll be dead n' buried by the time anything cool happens, you'r entitled to that opinion. Our views may differ heavily; the satisfaction, contentment, and real joy I'd feel having confidence that due in part to my actions, the human species will have gleaned benefit.
>>24469107
life is complicated on this planet.
>>24469117
What about an killing an unconscious, or even comatose person?
Bang, analogy fixed.
>>24469146
Ah, ok! Here's where we must digress.
I believe that if consent is not possible, an interaction between human beings cannot be inherently selfish.
I reckon I place far less credence on biology, especially physiological psychology than others here.
Regardless, do you see how your analogy is faulty to me? Keeping out of mind our fundamental disagreement.
>>24469205
Well, that certainly fixes the validity of the analogy, anyway. I can't debate that. No more apples n' oranges.
>>24469183
You basically conceded that having children is selfish. Every reason you listed for wanting a child of your own involved your wants and desires.
I will agree that the necessity of having children in this age is largely a subjective matter. So, there's no real right or wrong there.
>>24469218
Dude, what don't you understand about procreation being the literal passing on of your genes which is literally self-preservation?
It's a selfish act. Talk to any biologist and they'll tell you the same. You're just rationalizing, which is what humans do best. You can come up for various reasons as to why people have/want kids, but it's just a biological drive to preserve your genes. This isn't an opinion, it's fact.
>>24469238
Seems as though we fundamentally differ in our views on altriusm. I know plenty of people, including several close friends do not believe in the concept; that all of our actions are taken through selfish desires, even if these desires result in a large net benefit to others. It is a very rational view, really. I don't claim to be completely rational in all of my beliefs.
I do not view an action taken primarily for the benefit of others to be selfish; even if *I* am the one that wants others to benefit.
>>24469307
I understand, man. You're not obligated to admit that I understand all of the arguments put forth to me, of course.
Rejecting an argument does not always imply lack of understanding.
I sound religious, don't I?
>Strictly speaking, nothing may be claimed as a natural birthright, since to
digress for a moment every birthright is a fiction, something we dreamed after straying
from a factual world into one fabricated by our heads. For those keeping track, the only
rights we have are these: to seek the survival of our individual bodies, to create more
bodies like our own, and to know that everyone s body will perish through a process of
corruption or mortal trauma. (This is presuming that one has been brought to term and
has survived to a certain age, neither being a natural birthright. Rigorously considered,
our only natural birthright is to die.) No other rights have been allocated to us except, to
repeat with emphasis, as fabrications.
-Thomas Ligotti
>>24469361
But you're not arguing my opinion, you're arguing against a fact.
Procreation is biological selfishness. You're applying some negative connotation to the word selfish, but I'm just using it in its literal, objective sense.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
our only natural birthright is to die.
>>24469396
>>24469441
So why do normies stigmatize suicide and won't allow humane, assisted suicide?
>>24469461
allocated to us except, to
repeat with emphasis, as fabrications.
>>24469441
I agree.
>>24469461
Because it's a social construct not to die, and a biological prerogative to spawn babies.
>>24469492
>it's a social construct not to die
>>24469440
I don't think we're arguing or debating, anymore.
We've begun repeating our viewpoints more and more briefly and nothing more.
Let's just remain content in our respective knowledge that we're right. Least, that's what I'm gonna do. Imagine you'll do the same.maybe after telling me i'm wrong one more time
>>24469461
Now THIS is something I can consider entirely selfish. We should have total sovereignty over our bodies and minds; free to do with them as we wish.
It is stigmatized for plenty of reasons. None of them valid, in my opinion. The religious stigmatize it for dogmatic reasons. The sensitive stigmatize it to insulate themselves from perceived tragedy. Those close to the individual pondering suicide do it to retain someone they value, that provides benefit to themselves.
I know, OP. I'm not capable of being a functional member of society, and it's only a matter of time before I'm forced into homelessness or suicide.
>>24469528
ok, smart guy, let's go deeper.
It's a social construct because we have been genetically programmed to stay alive long enough to breed; and most people aren't aware of themselves enough to understand that simple fact.
By that fact, people will resort to primitive notions, and then they all want to be the same.
Not to mention mainstream religions and Ethics that say you should stay alive.
Probably to harvest life force energy and emotion.
>>24469673
i was ligottiposter. I was just making fun of your specific word choice and providing controlled opposition to that argument before anyone else could.
