I'm tired of hating my self, all of this self pity does nothing but waste time for me.
I feel I can't afford to waste anymore of this precious time.
I'll at least put it towards improving myself
It is the least I can do.
eat a grilled dick sandwich you obnoxious faggot
>>24407055
>I feel I can't afford to waste anymore of this precious time.
but you are still on 4chan...
>go on trips
>learn a new language
sure I'll get right on it
>having thoughts to write down
>after 'meditating'
Bad joke.
I'm still having thoughts (two examples from today: why, looking for English adjectives ending on -ful (I'm not a native speaker), I only thought about a very common one, 'harmful', after some time (and 'helpful' not at all), first thinking of rarer ones such as 'scornful' or 'mournful'; and, as I was crossing a street and synchronizing it to the lyrics of a song I was playing, wondering whether this phenomenon could be related to the psychiatric delusion of relevance, where random events are being found personally meaningful).
But ever since I began to read on 'meditation' (hardly on my own desire), such thoughts became much rarer. As soon as I have an inkling regarding something, it is stopped in its tracks by the vapid 'mindful' pseudo-observation from my brain, 'hey, you, you just had a thought'.
I honestly wish I had never heard about 'meditation' or 'mindfulness' in my life.
>>24407354
At this point it isn't even about me anymore, though. I just don't want other people to share my fate.
I always have moment or two during the year where I try to improve myself. Two months during this year I ran my local college track, stop smoking weed, read self improvement books, learn to cook , and try to become more socialable and go out. But I always fall off the tracks and start picking up my old habits again. I know it's just because I'm ugly AF because my Chad friends have the same life style except they bone chicks without any effort of self improvement. Egg man was right about everything stated in the black pill video. So in the end, it's worth just doing what you like to do until faith takes its course and kill you.
>>24407568
>read self improvement books
>reading books telling you to read books
That's like searching Google for >how to find stuff on the Internet.
I do all these things anon, I still have no friends or gf.
>>24407055
>tfw when I do everything there but travel
>tfw still feel like a loser and still seek self-improvement
>>24407917
>I do all these things anon
>>24407922
>>tfw when I do everything there but travel
Worthwhile girls smell the spinelessness of people who 'meditate'.
>>24408027
I didn't say I was looking for a gf. Self-improvement isn't for sex.
>>24408027
Note, journal-keeping, studying anything, collecting anything, doing literally anything is better than 'meditation' because it is DOING something. I respect cheaters, killers, people with 'autistic' hobbies, people with 'disgusting' fetishes more than people who 'meditate' because those people actually go out, to no matter how comparably small degrees, and DO something. Whereas 'meditating' people just do nothing for the nebulous promise of 'improved concentration in the future'. It is it that epitomizes mindless consumption, not watching porn or refreshing chans. Just another of the small, but bitter ironies with which the subject of 'meditation' abounds.
>>24408164
It is the purest escapism, building indifference to nigh everything, coming to proceed in a comfortable haze from one mundane task to another in life with not a thought to disturb your 'perfectly tranquil', 'perfectly still' mind, just the way textbooks on 'mindfulness' want you to (to focus wholly on things such as vacuuming or doing dishes or eating -- why the fuck would anyone want to??*) and calling it 'finding one's core' or 'finding one's centre'.
It is the most pitiful way a human being may end.
(*I know the fallacious reply to that, don't bother.)
>>24407055
> Tier 1
All of this is the "Obvious things are obvious" part of every infographic ever made.
> Tier 2
> Meditation
Close your eyes and waste your time having "Deep thoughts" over nothing. Oops you fell asleep, guess you "meditated" too deeply.
> Journal
What is "A thing that will be used in a court case against you."
> Goals
Unless you have amnesia you shouldn't need to write these down. Staring at a list of shit you wanted done after a year of not doing them will depress you even more.Go find that list of things you wanted to do as an adult that you wrote out when you were a child; Wow, watch those dreams come true.
> Exercise/Weights
What the fuck do you think most robots are, /fit/ Most of the amerifats will die of a heart attack before they get out the door.
> Walk
The only reasonable advice in Tier 2, since it should be easy for anyone who doesn't have an irrational fear of large open spaces or crowds of people (or other people in general)
> Tier 3
> Language/Talk
Toppest kek, it takes 10 THOUSAND hours to do something well and language has a definite age limit and individual affinity. Even then you'll have a horrible accent you won't even be aware of from your native language that'll make the native speakers of whatever language you've "learned" (also good luck doing that without being completely immersed 24/365 for YEARS) completely fucking cringe every time you open your mouth.
> Travel
Walking IS travelling though. Most other countries are just the same as the US or if not, you'll be walking through the painted-up facade the worst shitholes on the planet use to trick dumb money (that's you) to coming to their shithole to prop up their dictatorship.
> Volunteer
Never do work for free when you could be getting paid to do it.
> Study/Work
No one wants you without useless papers "qualifying" your "Studies" that cost more than you can afford.
> OH ANON YOU SO NEGATIVE
TFB, everything i've said is at least half true.
>>24407055
I don't see hobby's anywhere on that list
>>24407055
You for got limit internet use and eliminating games.
>>24408287
kekfuck this gay robot
>>24408164
Why are you assuming those things are mutually exclusive? I probably collect more shit and have more of that shit than most people on /r9k/ and frequently participate in threads for them. I'm in graduate school and I keep a commonplace book that always fills very quickly.
But I still meditate every morning.
>>24408164
>>24408255
Is it that bad? I suffer from severe anxiety, my mind basically bombard itself with tons of chaotic and negative thoughts 24/7 to the point of sensory overload. I really need some tranquillity and silence
>>24408287
Let's hear your plans for self-improvement.
>>24408164
Meditation has been shown to be healthy in clinical studies. Clearly you should all ignore those and listen to this retard posting on R9K instead.
>>24408306
No time for hobbies. You have to serve your wonderful Jewish overlords!
>All these people failing to notice that this is a Kike ploy to convert NEETs into wagekeks
>>24408397
>Why are you assuming those things are mutually exclusive?
Why are you seeing things I never said?
Could it be the absolute ultimate self-mastery of the mind that 'meditation' bestows didn't teach you reading comprehension?
They aren't exclusive, and it is only been 'meditators' so far who implied that I believe that. It's just that 'meditation' erodes meaningful hobbies, which fact the Buddhist tendency to use the free will argument ('meditation is only harmful if you let it be harmful, no true meditator lets it affect his life') does not disprove.
>>24408439
Aww, he thinks 'healthy' is an unambiguous term. Brings back memories of happier, naiver times.
>>24408287
To not be a complete party pooper, a shorter and easier list:
- If you're not morbidly obese or immobile from fatness, you should be able to put on undamaged and clean pair of socks, pants, shirt, and a pair of matching shoes (in that order) along with whatever weather clothing you may immediately need, and go for a walk outside without getting arrested for indecent exposure.*
- When you get back from the walk, wether it was 5 minutes or 5 hours, get in the bathtub and have a shower or bath; I shouldn't need to explain how and you ARE intelligent enough to figure it out if you can figure out how to shitpost on an anonymous image board.
Do these two things as often as you can, and never stop doing them.
*Unless you're such a poorfag you're living in an actual slum and have shit clothes and no shoes. If you get depressed on your walk from the shit you see or get physically attacked by thugs; seriously think of how to get out of the area and then GTFO and try again. Can't GTFO? Welp, you're fucked.
>>24408560
So your idea of self improvement is to put on clothes take a walk and take a shower?
>>24408537
>I respect cheaters, killers, people with 'autistic' hobbies, people with 'disgusting' fetishes more than people who 'meditate' because those people actually go out, to no matter how comparably small degrees, and DO something.
There's the sentence where you implied that meditation is exclusive to "doing something".
Taking a few minutes every morning after waking up to be calm and relax yourself doesn't erode hobbies any more than taking a few extra minutes on the shitter to stare at the wall does.
>>24408419
i keep it simple and cheap so anyone can do it >>24408560
seriously, putting shit about learning languages and getting educated skills in any kind of "help the robots" infographic is doomed to fail because it's too much too fast usually for too little immediate return.
you need something that can be done immediately for no cost and requires nothing to do it to gain even basic confidence.
>>24408407
What do you expect me to say?
I can only tell you that all 'meditators' I've met have been dull, self-centered individuals with no sense of humour and a violent (in males) and vulgar (in females) streak. The latter might be a cause, but the former ones are pretty much a consequence. There's just no room in your brain for, I don't know, wordplay or hacking, or even carefully defining your terms which any discussion requires, when you see the world through the lens of OH NO HE CLEARLY HASN'T LET GO OF HIS ANGER and OH HO SHE CLEARLY DIDN'T LET GO OF HER EGO, which 'meditation' reduces you to.
>>24408648
Are you that one anti Buddhist who hates psychedelic and have some weird obsession with I.Q. points?
How meditation could help me? It i stupid.
>>24407354
ive read a lot about meditation, heard a lot of good things about it. i chalked it up to being like your own personal Alcoholics Anonymous. tried it out, only to realize, this forced isolation could be more meaningful if i at least lurked 4chan, played a game, or did homework.
meditation is pretty lousy. you get enough introspection through dreams or everyday tasks, like pooping or showering.
nowadays, the closest thing i have to meditation is exactly the above, or reading wikipedia, or writing something like this. i do a lot of mental gymnastics to ensure that i am self aware, to know where i am in life, rather than to ensure i am being mindful.
>>24408698
I believe that the image circulating on /r9k/ you might've based this question expects you to find me 'mentally ill', too.
>>24408643
>Taking a few minutes every morning after waking up to be calm and relax yourself doesn't erode hobbies any more than taking a few extra minutes on the shitter to stare at the wall does.
Your disingenuous backpedalling whereby you redefine the practice of most 'meditators' as a 'few minutes' while you are aware that they take up to a couple of hours notwithstanding, that is not just true. The difference is that during sitting your brain is free to roam, to be bored, to eventually elect to find and count spots on said walls, or read labels on bottles, or try to calculate the angle at which the light falls on something, or anything at all. While 'meditation' by definition gets your brain to constantly return to itself, to terminate the (universally vilified, and just as universally underlying scientific and creative insight) mind-wandering, by teaching itself to react to any nascent thought with the automatic, thought-terminating bray of 'OY I JUST HAD A THOUGHT I JUST HAD A THOUGHT... uh, what was I doing again?'.
See >>24407354.
>>24408880
Again, I am aware that you are going to invoke the free will pseudoargument, 'you can choose to return to a track of thought after you become aware of it'.
No. This is like saying that breaking your own leg is good because a consequence of it is a period during which your bones and muscles getting stronger (except it is rehabilitation). Sure you can, more or less, train yourself to think in spite of 'mindfulness', but it is much better never to've become 'mindful' in the first place.
>>24408880
>>24408964
No, I think we're just talking about different types of practices and people. Your way of arguing against arguments no one is making is kind of unsettling.
I've never met Buddhists irl who take hours from each day to meditate, unless they're specifically on a retreat or isolation for it. I'm sure the people you're talking about exist; they sound like typical suburbanites. And this is assuming you aren't counting "practice as meditation," which is how a lot of Zen types go about things. it's what I consider my mindfulness. It's not a lack of thought, just awareness.
>>24408737
what image? youre out here assuming we give a shit about a picture we've never seen? you really are crazy
>>24409083
And to give you background, the Buddhists I know are from the rural Southern USA. I suppose the type I know wouldn't be able to afford to be so outspoken and confrontational as the people you mention, because of how much a disadvantage it already is to have people think you worship a golden fat guy. It's necessarily much more a private activity. I've never known it to take over a person's life to the exclusion of betterment otherwise. No more than anyone else's relaxing morning thoughts.
>>24409083
>different types of practices
Yes, I've heard 'no true meditation is harmful' before. It remains as embarrassing as it was fifty uses ago.
>Your way of arguing against arguments no one is making is kind of unsettling.
If I were only to address the facts that Buddhists and 'meditators' themselves bring up in discussion, then given their disinclination to do so, I'd hardly have anything to talk about. So I make digressions. In text media, it is desirable. The egoism that makes you self-obviously assume that I (and everyone else) should be reduced to addressing and only addressing what you brought up is typical of 'meditators', by the way.
>"practice as meditation"
I know the 'you're meditating every time you are in the present' manipulation. It is reprehensible. I don't understand how people can see 'you're already a feminist' for what it is, but not 'you're already a meditator'. Another small irony.
>It's not a lack of thought, just awareness.
And ethnic cleansing 'is just about' helping one's nation.
For the hundredth time, I'm not interested what 'meditation' 'is about', I'm interested in what it does to you.
>>24409199
I believe that that image pretty much expects you to give a shit about me, yes.
>tfw i started doing all of this except meditate and write journal since 3 months ago because i had enought cocoon mode in my life.
It is going pretty good t.b.h
>>24409319
>The egoism that makes you self-obviously assume that I (and everyone else) should be reduced to addressing and only addressing what you brought up is typical of 'meditators', by the way.
As is the fact that you can't tell it apart from strawmanning.
>>24409319
If you're interested in what it does to individual anons, I overcame agoraphobia with it.
I made a digression about personal history too. Is that typical of my kind?
I obviously don't understand your disgust for meditation, but I don't see why anons shouldn't at least attempt it, since so many others here suffer from anxiety and many others talk about how it helped theirs too. "What it does" can be helpful in individual cases. I doubt any beginner is taking hours out of their day to devote to nothing.
>>24408648
Ugh it's that anti-Buddhist guy look,
the info doesn't say convert to Buddhism it just says to meditate at least once a day which takes no more than 20 minutes, nothing more, nothing less. So please fuck off
I read somewhere that the most important part of improving yourself is believing that you can improve. You have to bekieve in your ability to grow into a better person. You have to understand that the person you are now is not the person you have to always be, and truly believe that you can be better
>>24407568
Next time you try and improve yourself, pick up one extremely small habit that you can do everyday. Something as small as making your bed or brushing your teeth twice a day or whatever, just find something. As long as you can continue to do this simple activity, you can continue doing everything else that will help you.
>>24409544
I wonder if it's the same guy who posts dead animal pictures in the animal threads.
He has the same vitriolic line-by-line attack style.
I love the fuck out of my hair and I'm not going to let some faggot try telling me I'd look better with a crew cut or whatever the fuck. I love myself more each day and I love my hair, I've lost weight and kept my silky shine going down halfway my back. Go fuck yourself for trying to impose your burr nonsense on me since I was a god damned child.
Facial hair isn't for me though no shave November has taught me that lol it just wants to grow under my chin and that's gross.
>>24409255
>how much a disadvantage it already is to have people think you worship a golden fat guy
There is literally no social movement that is adored as uncritically and universally as Buddhism. It is literally being hailed as science -- and God (in whom I don't believe) knows how painful it is to remember that none of you will realize the discrepancy between scientific claims and the ambiguous, unfalsifiable, figurative Buddhist bullshit which Buddhists declare to be 'on the deepest level, profoundly scientific'. I need to use the best of my Google ability (and I use |, .., -allintext:, etc. regularly) to be able to find scraps of criticism of Buddhism (it is there, though). 'No true Buddhist' is rampant. Everyone turns a blind eye to the incessant cries of 'clear your mind', 'stop thinking', 'control your thoughts' as innocent tips. Buddhist violence and molestation is being unspoken-of, as are results of studies on harmfulness of 'meditation' (keywords: mind wandering, implicit learning, false memories, empathy, etc.). When the latter are discussed, they are dismissed using the free will pseudoargument. And more.
The consequence of pointing it all is, of course, being called mentally ill, liberally too -- ranging from obsession to autism to schizophrenia.
>>24408964
Where do i get the info for the different practices?
I feel like i'm just trying to touch something on the dark
>>24409718
>I need to use the best of my Google ability (and I use |, .., -allintext:, etc. regularly) to be able to find scraps of criticism of Buddhism (it is there, though).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Buddhism exists
this is a troll post right
>>24409718
Academic and learned criticism is rare, I'm aware. I actually had a classmate take that as his topic in a course and come up just as short on the non-conciliatory-criticism you're talking about. But criticism from the unlearned and rural is not at all rare. Not everyone lives in big cities and suburbs, or around people who finished high school. My implication with golden fat guy was of the type of people who don't know Buddha or Buddhism as anything more than the statue that sits in Chinese buffets. My point was that this makes people less aggressive about it than the ones you've dealt with.
I haven't called you mentally ill, and I don't think you are. I'm not trying to stop you from arguing against it by defending the suggestion of robots trying it out, or against the claim that all people who practice must be forceful and obsessive.That's why I found the counterarguments-that-weren't-there unsettling.
>>24409819
This is not criticism.
This is one part playing along the bullshit game by trying to address it 'meritorically', one part pointing out monastic practices irrelevant in the West (plus a liberal dose of Tenzin Gyatso apologetics), one part no true Buddhism, and one point an opportunity to boast existence of reformation movements.
A religion is only defined by its scriptures and leaders and literature insofar as those scriptures and leaders and literature reach the society. If you want to judge Buddhism, read Thich Nhat Hanh, not some moron from the 13th century (unless that moron's ramblings about ultimate truths and experiential truths is then being hailed on a popular western blog as having predated modern logic).
I can't even get rid of my neckbeard, every time I try, I get painful razor bumps, even when I use creams that are supposed to stop that from happening.
That feel when I'm genetically destined to be a lonely robot neckbeard
>>24409718
mindfulness meditation is not a panacea.
to put it simply, it weakens the bonds to the threat processing center of your mind. for a person suffering from anxiety, this is good. but there are plenty of buddhist stories that warn against self-centered introspection. the aging buddhist who always meditated on the river with his eyes open, who would stop to lift drowning flies. Buddha's proverb about those who seek crystal clear concentration as the kind of people who are reincarnated as cows, destined to chew the same cud over and over.
on the other hand false memories are heavily influenced by paranoia and negative emotions.
for example,
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/6854245_Ripple_effects_in_memory_Judgments_of_moral_blame_can_distort_memory_for_events
>>24409900
>I haven't called you mentally ill
I AM calling you disingenuous scum when you are implying that my mention of having been called mentally ill was a misinterpretation of mine of your personal stance to my posts in this lone thread, as opposed to what I've been subjected to from Buddhists hundreds of times across threads over the years.
>>24410078
jesus christ you're fucking autistic
>>24410053
>Buddha's proverb about those who seek crystal clear concentration as the kind of people who are reincarnated as cows, destined to chew the same cud over and over.
The problem with giving advice is that when it is done with integrity, it is good (it makes you a good person), but when it is not, it makes you a fucking hypocrite.
>>24410078
or maybe that's a false memory you implanted into yourself
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/221759467_Repetition_not_number_of_sources_increases_both_susceptibility_to_misinformation_and_confidence_in_the_accuracy_of_eyewitnesses<@:^)~:-<
>>24410078
I assumed you meant the posts in this thread calling you mentally ill, clarifying that they weren't me. Like the other reply just made, too.
I get called an autist for wanting to sincerely argue points on here all the time too. It's frustrating to not get real conversation or effort. Godspeed on your attempts to be genuine, anon.
>>24410137
Buddhaste you into your self-inflicted 'meditative' torpor, moron.
>>24410188
I was close to making the pun, since you said we don't like wordplay. I'm actually spending the night listening to a lecture series on the history of Russian lit though. Like I said, it's only mornings for me.
>>24410115
>love of duality
>>24410252
Studies on the effects of 'meditation' on pursuit and choice of interests, such as in literature, must obviously control for IQ.
>>24407055
tier 0:
stop being depressed
0/10 advice
>>24409694
Lol chill out it is supposed to be facial hair. You don't want a neck beard
>>24410307
being a lazy piece of shit better prepares your mind for more of the same.
we have become masters.
>I'm so vehemently anti-Buddhist that I make chains of long-ass pretentious posts shitting on them on /r9k/
>>24410336
>anti-Buddhist
For that to be an adjective and not a proper noun there must be at least one more person who shares my understanding, anon.
>>24407354
what about sadful ?
>>24410295
I manage a good six hours of reading every day, regardless of both employment and meditation, if you'd like more information. A little less than half is literature specifically, most is non-fiction.
>>24410379
It seems -ful takes nouns. So rather 'woeful', I guess?
>>24410393
Or 'rueful'? Sage.
>>24408701
This anon helped me out and I saved his post
>>24410436
>I'm going to describe a process that's going to make you aware
>step 1: stop being aware of your surroundings
Only in Buddhism, guys.
>>24410461
Thanks for the (You). Are you the famous (You) collector of this thread?
>>24410461
>>24410436
Also notice the glaring manipulation in which the author sprinkles heart-warming remarks such as 'be gentle' and 'don't strain', so to imply that what he suggests can't POSSIBLY be wrong. I literally hope I'd rather die than sink that low.
>>24410461
is this the famous anti-buddha we were all warned about?
>>24410461
Dude this is not about Buddhism this is just meditation which started before Buddhism
>>24411050
At least non-Eastern denominations didn't have the nerve to imply that 'meditation' ('contemplation' in Christian traditions, I imagine) makes you 'more aware'; they labelled it straight away as an act of communication with God. Mislabelled, of course, but defining a meaningless practice using a meaningless term such as God is better than defining it as the *fucking opposite* of what it actually does.
>>24407242
>jumping straight to tier 3 when you're probably tier 1
>>24407242
I've started learning ~30 mins of French per day. Not that bad if you break it down.
>>24411301
I used to do tier 3 things -- bought and tried to read a Latin textbook, was much better than I'm now at planning code such as, well, I have two pet projects by now which exemplify it, a n-dimensional, m-variable abstract table generator (incl., but not limited to HTML tables) and an abstract pattern detector (identifying parts of a piece of data, assigning them numerical values in a number of properties, and judging if the similarity is enough to cluster them together) -- before I've begun to read on 'mindfulness' and 'meditation'. Now I literally can't open a book without being distracted by the fact that I am reading. Nor can I look at nature without being reminded that I am looking at it. Every time I go outside, my mind is locked in the 'I am walking-I am looking-I am walking' cycle. It is only the most direct situations, such as being asked a question or meeting a physical obstacle, that I actually begin to think (ineffectively, I might add -- I was walking around some road works today and much of my time was consumed by being mildly aware that I am thinking how to walk around them). But as soon as that's gone, I'm back to self-referential loops. This is literally what textbooks on 'mindfulness' set to accomplish, telling you to 'focus on the present' and 'focus on the very action you're doing'.
>>24411493
Also, this is literally, and solely, what underlies the claims that 'meditation has health benefits'. When you're too intellectually disabled to pay attention to your problems such as your future, they trivially 'disappear'. In other words, 'meditation' is for people who genuinely believe that 'ignorance is bliss'.
I can't live like this
Im trying to stay ahead of the game but the game is too far away. I can't take it anymore. Enough is enough. I can't live in this isolation, in this contamination.
Everyday in the morning and at random, I get these angry and sad filled thoughts on how I want to go back to when things were normal. When I was innocent. The monster inside me has grown this big. I feel permanent damage is coming from this isolation. Me without contact with anybody. Why do I have so much love them? And it's not even them, it's one person. Why do I have this much love for one person? I don't even want to date her, I just want her to be my friend. But I had to mess it up because I wasn't thinking straight. Blocks me from all sort of social media. If I send her a letter I probably will get a restraining order.
Am I always going to make bad decisions? Will I never learn? I really do think professional help is in order.
>>24411643
My sole goal in mindfulness is to know so much about my surroundings and their intricacies through obtaining previous knowledge and skills about them that I'm aware of all things surrounding me, keeping myself in a permanently grounded state. Like having built a home and everything in it with my own skill and accomplishment. Caring for a garden in which I know every biological facet of what I grow.
It's the exact opposite of ignorance of bliss. Can I not call it mindfulness?
>>24411718
Just kill yourself.
Or just start 'meditating'.
There isn't really much difference between killing yourself and killing your self, after all.
>>24411752
Wow
Um.... Thanks senpai
>>24407055
I there a picture like OP's that can tell me what to do everyday?
>>24411718
DAMN IT READ THE FUCKING GRAPH, CLEAN YOURSELF UP.
MEDITATE TO CLEAR YOUR MIND FOR AWHILE OF ANY THOUGHTS.
LEARN A CREATIVE SKILL LIKE DRAWING, MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.
EXERCISE TO GET ENDORPHINS IN YOUR SYSTEM.
TALK TO NEW PEOPLE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING SPECTACULAR YOU CAN JUST SAY HI, HOW ARE YOU?
GET A JOB
LEARN A LANGUAGE
AND TRAVEL
LIFE DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND A WOMEN, IF YOU WERE TO FIND A GIRL THAT BLOWS THE FUCK OUT OF CHASING A WOMEN YOU WILL HAVE A GOOD TIME
ENJOY
>>24411876
<If you were to find a girl
I meant to say if you were to find a goal that blows the fuck out of chasing a women you will have a good time
>>24411746
What exactly has your 'mindfulness' helped you observe?
I mean *exactly*.
No. That's not 'exactly'. You're just repeating your vague initial claim, 'it has helped me be more aware'. I mean EXACTLY.
No, I think I need to give you examples what I mean by 'exactly'.
>I noticed that I could look through a passing bus' windows to see if the red light turned green, so to start walking on a crossing and get an edge over the rest of people.
>I noticed that scars pale at different rates depending on their location.
>I noticed that I could write a pure-CSS tripfag filter for 4chan by using the position property for the element containing the tripcode.
Or either of realizations in >>24407354.
'Meditation' both directly and indirectly lowers the incidence of such, on which solely depends the amount of suffering of yourself and your loved ones.
>>24411930
In other words, 'meditators'' definition of 'awareness' is never, literally never, substantial. It is always, literally always, defined circularly, in the manner ridiculed by me more often it deserves. Awareness, meaning consciousness, meaning openness, meaning mindfulness, meaning perception, meaning observation, meaning comprehension, meaning awareness. But those terms, to quote again the wise tripfag, never 'have traction'. They never come into contact with factual, measurable, applicable knowledge, such as improves lives.
I'm so despondent about everything. Everything I try goes totally wrong. There's no escape from this hole here. I feel drained. So far, I still haven't found a real purpose in life. Sometimes, I'm afraid to get out of bed in the morning. There's nothing to get up for. I'm already dead.
>>24411876
>Just follow the graph anon
>Then your life will be amazing
Shut the fuck up you gigantic faggot
>>24411930
The type of observations you mentioned back in your original post, with -ful words, is almost exactly how I think of things. I'm pretty certain everyone knows the lights trick on crosswalks.
Awareness, for me, is mostly tied to memory. I can only make it happen right now when I'm surrounded by books. What happens, exactly, is that I can recall myself at the exact moment I was reading any book my eyes fall over. I can recall the emotions I felt at the most impactful parts of the work, the things I noted down to remember later, I can remember the weather, the temperature, the place I was sitting when I read it. I may not be able to recall every detail of the novel, but its effect on me is brought back by seeing them again. But it's instantaneous and I can do it across multiple books as I look over them. Sachiko losing her child, Raskolnikov wanting to stick out his tongue, the many colored tree of Alfanhui, the obese sexcapade of Marlaud.
Anyway, that's what I want with the rest of my life too. If knowledge and experience and practicing skill don't get me that far, I don't know what else to seek for.
>>24407055
>meditationmost honorable original comment desu
>>24407354
agreed it's a good way to end up disassociated
>>24412071
When did I say to follow the graph I just told him to read it and gave him a quick summary of the graph. He looked like he was in need of some good decisions to make so I made some suggestions
Depression wouldn't be such a big problem if you could just decide to improve yourself and do it. If you can do it, you either have superhuman willpower, or you were never really depressed to begin with. Most likely the latter.
>>24411930
>>24412162
As for what I meant with "grounded" and "aware", I don't know how to talk about it. For 99.99999% of my life I don't feel like I'm in my body. I'm highly dissociated from every experience.
Only a few, very singular moments in my life can I say I've felt like I was "inside" my body and "experiencing" the world, and that's what I mean by "grounded." All of those times where it happened were related to the nostalgia/memory with books. I felt like my brain was in my body.
I've tried a lot of other ways sans medication to fix disassociativity. I'm half sure it was medication that caused it. I don't want to go that route again.
>>24412162
>I'm pretty certain everyone knows the lights trick on crosswalks.
If your IQ were two SDs lower, you'd know what it is like to struggle to come up with examples of observations.
>What happens, exactly, is that I can recall myself at the exact moment I was reading any book my eyes fall over. I can recall the emotions I felt at the most impactful parts of the work, the things I noted down to remember later, I can remember the weather, the temperature, the place I was sitting when I read it. I may not be able to recall every detail of the novel, but its effect on me is brought back by seeing them again.
So, basically, you exchanged insight as might've been yielded by mind-wandering ('this character reminds me of this one law I read on Wikipedia was passed in the 19th century... wait, let me look it up') for a carbon copy of your direct sensations during reading. Shame if you ask me. But it is in line with the 'mindfulness' dogma of priority of sensations. You are to primarily focus on, remember, savour, the sensory sensations, particularly touch. And emotions, too.
>>24412296
>f your IQ were two SDs lower
In fact, in your case, three or more probably.
>>24412289
So typical misdefinition (or should I say, undefinition) of 'awareness' into 'feeling a certain peculiar way about oneself'. I don't care one whit whether I am disassociated or disassembled or dismembered; this has nothing to do with my understanding or self-understanding. I just want my brain to derive proper, true facts and conclusions.
>>24407354
Does this actually happen to people? I've tried mindfulness before and its literally impossible for me to stop having thoughts, I just go in constant cycles of thinking->shut up->concentrate on noises->slip and think again over and over, even when it goes on for more than 20 mins. I seriously can't even imagine what it's like to stop thinking just because your realized you thought, what the fuck are you smoking?
>>24412296
But I just said that I do mind-wander, and it's in fact the entire thing my career revolves around. Making connections between literature and other humanities. Synthesis and comparative ability are the key talents needed.
I mean, I just stopped listening to those Russian lit lectures earlier after having come across that folkloric tradition of placing bird down on graves to research what people leave on graves throughout other cultures (when they do have graves). Right before that I stopped to read about the different translations of Psalms, since apparently the early Slavic ones were powerful enough to continue to shape Russia literature for centuries to come. My research binges before this particular lecture set was based on a sushi chef in the novel I was reading, because he took his name from the establishment he apprenticed at. I had to check to see if sushi chefs do it like ukiyo-e artists--like the Kuniyoshi->Yoshitoshi and so on.
I mean, if you want mind-wanderings, my commonplace book is about as meandering as it gets.
>>24412434
You just proved that you don't understand >>24410295. You manage all this because you're intelligent, not because you've 'meditated'. It's understandable that you don't understand; as a humanities student, excepting a couple of cliches that 'it has its uses, too', you will dismiss the importance of IQ.
>>24412373
Of course my thought resumes as soon as the 'mindfulness'-inflicted self-referential lockdown passes. But even in the most fortunate and productive cases, not even a hundred metres ahead another happens. It's constant interruption from which no insight ever comes other than 'I'm sick of this'. Imagine typing a post with your hands freezing for a couple of seconds every third word. It's like that.
>>24408287
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>>24411930
Another great post
Keep at them anon
Fight these new age faggots
Drive them to the fucking ground
>>24412529
>Imagine typing a post with your hands freezing for a couple of seconds every third word. It's like that.
Well, that's not the whole story. There's is the general haziness, which some anon above has loathsomely called 'a sense of being grounded', which causes general disinterest and lack of passion, the state of an increasingly large portion of my brain being devoted to contemplating itself as I go around, a cancerous growth such that I'm thinking about, say, the origin of a dynastic symbol at the 80%, 70%, 60% of my capacity, because 20, 30, 40 % is consumed by my brain feeling about itself. It is exactly that that 'meditators' call 'having found oneself', 'feeling stable', and such.
But the direct 'mindful' interruptions are more frustrating on the daily basis.
>>24409380
>started doing
Have fun with the initial excitement before it fades, my robot friendo
>>24412640
>[...] a cancerous growth such that I'm thinking about, say, the origin of a dynastic symbol at the 80%, 70%, 60% of my capacity, because 20, 30, 40 % is consumed by my brain feeling about itself. It is exactly that that 'meditators' call 'having found oneself', 'feeling stable', and such.
If you want to see the terminal stages of this, look at monks. They are dead alive; their celebrated 'calmness' is just loss of the ability to be distracted or excited. They're going to call it 'self-control', a choice, absolute awareness (of course), and so on. Don't be mistaken; observe their actual, hard ability to spot new, interesting things around them. It's absent.
>>24412640
>>24412529
For someone who has trouble thinking, you sure have built this shit up excessively. I can't tell you to just "calm down" or "forget it", but seriously, there's no way that this isn't a monster of your own imagining. Either that or you're using antidepressants or something. Really though, my only advice is to stop valuing your thoughts so highly, I really doubt that they were giving such meaningful insight into your life that not having them is like "a cancer".
>>24412822
>there's no way that this isn't a monster of your own imagining
Buddhist-tier argument.
>stop valuing your thoughts so highly
See my very second post in this thread.
>>24412695
Oh, and if you've bought into the 'meditation improves cognitive ability' thing which 'studies have proven', here's the explanation. I can't be bothered to spell it out further; it is sufficient.
>>24412996
In short, the distinction is of controlled vs non-controlled conditions.
>>24412853
>Buddhist-tier argument.
I honestly don't even know what you're trying to say with this, but okay my man, I'm sure you're just fucked for life then.
>implying I've been following the thread that closely
If you mean the argument that mindfulness is going to prevent you from considering your future well-being when you;re in the heat of decision-making, then I don't even know what to tell you. If you're that weak and stupid that thinking about thinking is enough to dissuade you from making good decisions, then you probably were never going to get very far in life anyway.
>>24413076
That I am fucked and unable to accopmlish anything I have known for almost as long as I have been.
>>24413076
Also, my second post ITT said that I don't care about myself anymore, I just want to spare other people from my affliction; for it is false that 'meditation' only impairs people who're stupid/weak-willed already; this is just a cowardly way to avoid responsibility for promoting it, just as with drugs ('it depends on you if you get addicted').
HOW THE FUCK DO I LEARN TO DRIVE
I HAVE A PERMIT AND TOOK CLASSES BUT FORGETTING LITERALLY 1 RULE FOR 1 SECOND PUTS MY LIFE AND FAMILY MEMBERS AND STRANGERS LIVES IN JEOPARDY
AND EVERYONE JUST SAYS 'LOL JUST PRACTICE XD' SO I'M JUST SUPPOSED TO DRIVE 40MPH DOWN A HIGHWAY FIGHTING OFF AN ANXIETY ATTACK JUST TRYING NOT TO SHIT MYSELF AND WHOEVER'S HELPING ME IN THE CAR IS A FUCKING RETARD WHO TEXTS ON THEIR PHONE NONSTOP OR OTHERWISE CAN'T HELP ME FOR SHIT WITH DIRECTIONS AND DRIVING LESSONS ARE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS
>>24413114
>>24413153
>I just want to spare other people from my affliction; for it is false that 'meditation' only impairs people who're stupid/weak-willed already
Yeah, you sure disproved that claim with your obvious and overwhelming intelligence. Buddhists BTFO, we got a fallen genius here.
>>24413258
You assumed that because I mentioned stupidity of others, I don't count myself among them?
I am not even angry...
>>24413302
Well there's not really much left for me to say then, feel free to keep warning others; but don't be surprised when nobody gives a shit, because at the end of the day, nothing of value was lost.
>>24413258
We got a loser avatarfag here. Fuck off you low functioning retard.
>>24413415
>not knowing what avatarfagging is
I know you probably think you're being annoying by doing this, but really all it does is make you look stupid.
>>24413399
Your dramatic touch of nihilism at the end is telling, too: 'you might be right, but in the GRANDER SCHEME OF THINGS (to which Buddhists and 'meditators' just so happen to like to point to when they have nothing else to say), right and wrong doesn't really matter'. In other words, the final tug on the other person's priorities: if I can't win, I can at least try to convince them that their victory is meaningless.
Buddhists, ever pathetic.
>>24413480
In fact, it's just the old sour grapes! I just never thought to apply it to arguments themselves. Funny.
>>24413163
If you have anxiety attacks then go to your doctor and get on pills. And you don't have to go on the highway when you're not ready, just drive around a parking lot / the streets at 2 AM with your dad until you feel more comfortable.
>>24413545
I don't have an anxiety disorder, I would consider it perfectly understandable anxiety to be a little on edge when you're literally a muscle twitch from death
I just don't understand how people learn to drive because you can basically die at any moment
>>24413480
Do you want a medal for raising awareness for a problem that only affects subhumans? Do you really think I feel bad about conceding the fact that you have a gigantic, irreperable self-pity complex that fucks your life? Seriously my man, truly, honestly, you win. Congratulations.
>>24413679
Abusing the words 'truly', 'honestly', and 'seriously' is hardly better than abusing 'literally'.
>a problem that only affects subhumans?
This is not true. As I said, it's comforting to believe: 'the people to commit crimes have been evil from the beginning'; as if preventing crime-causing agents couldn't make the situation a bit better, as if evil were an absolute that can't be aggravated. You are just being lazy.
>>24413766
It might not be the best venue, but single post I make on /r9k/ about the dangers of 'meditation' causes there to be a little less suffering caused by preventable accidents/lack of lifesaving skills, bad job performance, factual misinformation, and so on.
>>24413766
I'm not lazy, I just like seeing stupid people suffer as a result of thier own actions. It's justice.
>>24413588
Have you ever taken a driving class? The instructor has a brake on his side as well so to stop you from an accident.
>>24413588
>a little on edge
>DRIVE 40 MPH DOWN A HIGHWAY FIGHTING OFF AN ANXIETY ATTACK
That being said, just drive late at night when there's no one on the road.
>>24413850
Stupidity is not a choice. Free will is another way for people to dismiss moral questions ('free will will fix it!' -- in reality, free will is the morally *ir*responsible position), but that's another story.
>>24413919
I never said it was. Whether it's a choice or not doesn't change anything.
>>24413988
If stupidity's not a choice, then stupid people had no way of knowing better, and since actions can only be judged as choices between known alternatives, those people can't act wrongly, and so their actions can't be brought to justice either. (Morality presupposes awareness.)
That said, you're not only just replying randomly, you're providing no relevant subjects on which I could digress either.
>>24414092
Not to mention that harming yourself, insofar as it doesn't affect the society, has no moral value at all.
>>24414092
It's not a matter of morals or choices, it's a matter of seeing the inherent justice in people with weak minds destroying themselves. Also, do you really think the point of an argument is for me to provide you with ways to keep changing the subject? It really was silly of me to engage you, I'm just going to end it here. Enjoy your ruined life and endless waffling.
>>24414166
>to provide you with ways to keep changing the subject
In the majority of threads I post in, I take it upon myself to elaborate on digressions I myself come up with (as well as remember to sage if I don't find them warranting a bump).
>>24414166
Also, please clarify which subject I am evading.
anyone have a journal? maybe a dream journal
