I used to believe suicide wasn't selfish but now I've realized my mistake. Don't make the same mistake I did.
>>29994930
>don't try to stop all the miserable pain you are in or you might make other feel bad :(
shut up
>>29995008
>this pain will never end!
>whats the point of going on like this?
>what do i have to life for?
depression does this to you, only cure for it is time and facing the issues that caused it,
and by that i mean accepting it happened,
letting the shit feeling wash over you once again, and letting it go,
you being a martyr over it won't bring any change to it so just let it go and start finding out who you are again from the ashes.
"wow what a massive faggot, talking about feelings and such"
Whether suicide is selfish or not, what's wrong with being selfish every now and then? Why can't I just have this one selfish act in my life, why do I have to consider other people for every fucking decision? I want to die, let me fucking die.
>>29994930
What if you're suicidal because you're family don't give a shit/are dead?
>>29995102
Except there are other people in your life that would care. Family isn't exclusive to blood.
>>29995127
Assumptions abound. You have no idea how isolated someone can be
>>29995091
So? It's my own choice.
How is it selfish to do what I want with my own body?
Isn't it more selfish to stop others from doing what they want for your own goals?
I'm not pro-suicide, but calling it selfish is idiotic.
I know I'm weak. I'm useless, I shouldn't have been born. I wish my parents had me aborted.
>>29995157
In my opinion it is inherently selfish, but the option to say "fuck it, I'm done" is the only true right you have as a sentient being
Suicide shouldn't be your choice alone. You have to talk about it with others or you'll make the wrong choice.
>>29994930
that's what the normies say homeslice
>>29995236
Yeah let others make your choice for you, because nobody knows yourself better than people who arn't you, fuckface.
Suicide is (usually) selfish because life is hard for everybody. We all need each other's help just to keep going. When an otherwise healthy person chooses suicide, they are basically saying, "Fuck you, I'm out."
>>29995268
There are definitely people who know you better than you. There are feelings that you won't understand until you talk to a therapist for example..
>>29995268
wew lad. Even an autist should have been able to detect that irony
>Implying shaming someone into staying alive when they're in constant suffering, just so that you won't have to say goodbye to them, isn't even more selfish
>>29994930
Ok.
Is there a story you'd like to share with us, or is that all you had to say?
>>29995157
Im not the one who called it selfish,
im just saying it's not forever,
my source? my own experiences,
depression took 10 years give or take from my life,
only reason i didn't commit suicide was out of spite,
i didn't want my relatives to be able to smugly say "oh i could see he was a troubled kid since birth, he was strange, red flags were all over the place"
it was that shit that partially caused it,
i refused to be the bad example that people would refer to,
"don't do this or that, this guy did and he committed suicide!"
i won't be a bad example not to do something for some pretentious prick over dinner.
Though my text may seem harsh i am quite calm.
the only cure for sadness is suicide
who gives a fuck if its selfish we're all gonna die anyway might as well leave before everything gets monumentally worse
>suicide is selfish
you would cease to exist so things like people's feelings would not matter anyway.
>>29995127
>Except there are other people in your life that would care.
>this is what normans believe
>>29994930
Well what does it matter if you're dead?
>>29995397
You have friends. They will miss you.
>>29995626
What makes you think that I have friends?
>>29995654
Everyone has at least one friend. It's literally impossible to have no friends.
>>29995698
Fucking normie scum, piss off
>>29995698
>It's literally impossible to have no friends.
>impossible
>>29995698
>this againoriginalele
>>29995752
You had them, but you pushed them away, you hid from them and you let them go.
Only reason i still have mine is because one is alcoholic and the other is ADHD,
so it's the outcasts clinging together kind of thing for me,
i tried to hide from the world but the ADHD and alcoholic wanted company and kept bugging me until i went out to drink and such with them,
you could make new ones and you can change,
the thing is you have become accustomed to the shitty feeling you have now so you won't even bother trying,
because if you try and fail it's just going to bring more pain in your eyes,
and even if i succeed it's not worth it, they won't understand me, they aren't like me,
no one can understand and people think like this when they are depressed, it's no shame to be depressed, it's just a chemical reaction in your day caused by your mental conditioning you have done to yourself, a defense mechanics of the brain when it fears for the ego that has been harmed one too many times, no attempt = no fail so you don't even try anymore,
you tell yourself it's better this way but you know it's not, you will eventually have to come out of it and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can start picking up the pieces.
No one actually gives a shit. The people that judge the suicidal are just as selfish, because the only thing they will offer are meaningless words and phrases when they can do so much more.
All the efforts that society puts to stop people from killing themselves are half hearted and mechanical formalities. The platitudes from the typical person, to the care of the therapist -- all superficial nonsense. No one in the psych wards cares about making a difference in your life, because they have their own problems. The therapists that you end up lumped with afterward are naive and have no insight or sympathy into the life of robots.
>>29995698
Hehe.
Thanks for reminding me.
>>29995698
>People actually, truly, unironically believe this.
How fucking sheltered are you, normalfag?
Do us a favor and fuck off back to plebbit where you belong.
You don't even know the first thing about isolation.
>>29995882
>you could make new ones.
>you can change.
You really don't belong on this board, friend.
>>29995698
Why are people acting like this is an outrageous claim? I'm as pathetic as you all are and I've made my fair share of friends. I didn't even have to talk much, they knew I was quiet. Just let yourself be approached is all you need to do.
>>29996031
>was able to make friends.
You're just a failed normie. If you're approachable in the first place you aren't a robot, period.
Piss off.
>>29996031
>Just let yourself be apporached
THAT'S EXACTLY THE FUCKING PROBLEM
Also, I do appreciate you wanting to help us, but it's really not working.
>>29995698
kill yourself seriously lol
>>29994930
oh man, they really set me straight
fucking idiots, do they really believe someone that is genuinely considering suicide gives a shit about stuff like this?
>>29996031
>Guys, guys, I'm just as pathetic as you all are! I just was able to attract people to me naturally!
NORMIES GTFO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING GO AWAY!!!!!!!
>>29995995
>high functioning autist
>social skills of having uncontrollable snickering at relatives funeral because i thought of something funny while someone was having a tearful speech
>my whole family tree from both sides think im weirdo loser NEET
Shit i must've missed the memo, what more did i need to be?
>>29995698
So whos my friend then? Tell me.
>>29996125
Still doesn't change the fact that you were able to make friends, that you were able to be approachable enough to people that they wouldn't mind being around you; that they wouldn't rather do anything else in the world than be in your general vicinity.
You're a failed normie, don't try to make yourself seem as pathetic as the rest of us. You are now. You should be happy you aren't god damn.
>>29996131
You are, you are your own friend, now go toss that pig skin you scamp!
But in all honesty if you don't have any friends at this point of your life then you must've pushed them away at early age and never bonded after that.
>>29996131
One of my friends is I'm the same major as me. We were friends in high school and we ended up in the same major at the same uni. We play League and talk about CS mostly.
>>29996163
>you must've pushed them away at early age and never bonded after that.
How does that make you right? Its not my fault I pushed them away.
Not original but
>friends
>>29996163
>Blame the anyone but other people for the way a robot turned out.
You are such a fucking normie I'd be surprised if you weren't a fucking woman.
>>29996178
That doesnt answer my question.
oregani
Memes aside, do normies really actually unironically seriously truly genuinely honestly believe this?
>>29996204
I don't know you personally but I know you have a friend. You probably don't realize it.
>>29996178
But...who's the anon's friend?
Why is it so hard for you people to comprehend that people can not have friends, ever?
Is it really so hard for you to imagine being in total isolation?
Because if so, you're a normalfag.
>>29996233
Theres no reason for them not to. They have really lax rules on what makes a friend. Basicallly anyone they talk to on a regular basis is their friends. And they talk to lots of poeple.
>>29996181
That's the problem, you don't take responsibility for your own actions, you blame it on others, your condition, your personality, you can change but it's easier to tell yourself over and over again that you're a lost cause,
that's what makes you angry,
the fact that you know you could try but you lie to yourself and hinder yourself because you don't want to fail again.
"normie reeee go out, i can't change! its forever!" all lies you tell yourself to prevent yourself from getting hurt again.
Greetings from the other side, the path is there walk it like i did.
>>29996238
You are so fucking out of touch with the reality of people lives on this board it's more pathetic than most of the things I've read on here.
Consider suicide.
>>29996238
Well who fucking is it you retarded normie?
>>29994930
>Suicide is selfish.
Posting in a spooky thread.
>>29996233
Many of them do, and not just the religious ones.
To the anons asking who their friend is. I'm your friend.
If the pain bothers them so much then they can kill themselves too
Win/win for all parties involved
>>29996277
Well apparently my condition is more serious than you could ever comprehend.
>>29996309
No you're not.
I don't even know who the hell you are.
Go away creep.
>>29996277
So you honestly believe that we are in a position that even if we wanted to, it would be even slightly possible for us to improve our lives?
You don't even realize how much of a normie you are, don't you? You are so oblivious.
Suicide is a means for weakness. If you come across the idea of wanting to commit suicide you should go in the opposite direction. In otherwords, destroy your problems with your bare hands.
>>29996341
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>>29996369
>destroy your problems with your bare hands
srsly kys if your problems exist in ghe material realm.
>>29996356
Then what is it that holds you back, the condition that can't be fixed?
BPD? PTSD? schizophrenia? psychosis?
What's holding you back?
>>29994930
Being selfish wont be a problem anymore once you're dead
>>29996369
On the other hand, being baited into a non-consensual agreement and barreling through meaningless problems because some guy on the sidelines is calling you a pussy shows a lack of internal conviction
If you want to get up and quit, and you don't, then you are weak. If you want to stay, but end up killing yourself, then you are also weak. Weakness is only a measure of how much you allow others to cause you to violate your own agency.
>>29996404
Not him but considering that even AvPDs and Schizoids are expected to have friends it must be more severe.
>>29996438
Tell that to people with schizophrenia that live in house hoarded full of trash and whos relatives are all dead.
>>29996493
The only symptom of schizophrenia I dont have are hallizunations. So you can fuck right off.
>>29994930
It may be selfish but it's not about morality, it's about a state of mind. This guilt tripping and berating is not only selfish itself but downright evil.
>le easy way out
There is nothing easy about taking your own life. People having an obligation to live is just an opinion, and you're not a strong person just because you won't kill yourself.
I'm not advocating suicide but I'm against people bullshitting.
>>29996493
> house hoarded full of trash
Those are hoarders. Different thing.
>and whos relatives are all dead
That has no effect on mental health
>>29996031
>>29995698
You dont understand because youre literally not suppose to. Making friends is easy for you because youre normal and approachable. You don't know what its like to not be approachable so you just assume its easy as sitting there and doing nothing, where it goes beyond that such as physical appearance or not having a repulsive personality or aura about you.
>>29996369
people already do that. theyre called mass shootings.
I hate how we're not even allowed to point out the selfishness of suicide.
I remember when Robin Williams committed suicide and some pundit dared to point out it was kind of selfish to leave behind his young daughter like that.
The entire left wing media jumped down his throat screaming "ur so insensitive" "muh feelings"
You know what, fuck all of you. Mentally ill people are so ridiculously coddled these days despite all the claims that they are stigmatised or whatever.
Everyone needs to pussyfoot around them just to please them.
Well you know what? Fuck you. I'm not letting myself be held hostage to you.
If you kill yourself while you still have family members or friends, then you are selfish. You are acting out of primary concern for your own self. There is no other way to twist it.
I don't care if it makes you more depressed. I don't care if its insensitive. It's the fucking truth. No sugarcoating.
>>29996547
People with schizophrenia tend to be hermit like, thus leading to hoarding,
no alive relatives was more of a reference to not having friends that way.
People with mental illnesses tend to become shut ins, it's the mental illness that makes you think it's there forever, and i admit some mental illnesses can't be cured yet but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to at least make friends to make your road lighter, humans are pack animals and prolonged isolation has been known to cause "craziness".
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/
the only difference is we are/were doing it to ourselves.
>>29994930
>you can't kill yourself because you will make your friends sad, ugh !
>you have an obligation to respect your friends and family's feelings, your friends and family don't have the obligation to respect your choices
>even if you have nothing to fight for you are still weak if you kill yourself just because I use the term however I want to
>weak used as an insult
Flawless logic.
Unless decided to have children and have to support them materially otherwise you'd be selfish you have an obligation to no one to keep living on for their sake.
It's not selfish to kill yourself, it's selfish to make other person keep living against their will because of your feelings.
People who try to force you to keep living even if you don't want to because they want you around are NOT your friends and do NOT want what's best for you because they don't understand your motives, they want what they think is best for you or for themselves.
>>29996720
Why are you talking to me like I'm not severely mentally ill?
>>29996713
Okay, you're right. Thanks for your worthless input.
>>29996732
top post
I'll remember your reasoning in the future
put it into words really well
>Suicide is selfish
Arguable
>It's the easy way out
No shit, that's why I'm doing it
>You don't consider the pain your family and friends will go through
No one considers the pain I go through
>You're weak if you commit suicide
Yeah
>>29996720
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/
I'm too lazy to open that but I'm pretty sure I'm more isolated taht the people in the article.
>>29996764
Because you are still human?
Where im from we don't shut mentally ill into facilities or tie them to beds,
you treat a man like a beast and he becomes a beast.
>>29996713
If you don't let a family member kill himself because of your feelings for him, then you are selfish. You are acting out of primary concern for your own self. There is no other way to twist it.
>>29996810
So schizos arent human? You dont make any sense.
>>29996845
People with mental illnesses are still human.,
and that is why i am still talking to you like you're not severely mentally ill.
>>29996909
If you ever were mentally ill you'd know how wrong it is to even say that. If I was human then why do I have no friends? Why am I a virgin? Why do I have no desire to work?
>>29996814
You're a dumb fuck.
If a man with a wife and son suddenly ups and leaves because he doesn't want to be a father anymore, he is called selfish. No one calls the son selfish for not wanting to grow up without a dad.
If a manager runs from a company with all the funds, he is called selfish. No one calls the workers selfish for wanting their pay.
Same thing with suicide. If you're putting people you know through the pain of loss because of whatever trivial problems in your lives, you deserve to be called selfish.
If you want to kill yourself, then fucking do it. Stop hanging around and making these stupid, ridiculous arguments that suppress the truth.
>>29996998
Man you suck at analogies. We are not fathers or managers. We are losers. The only people who even know us are our parents and they will be relieved when we kill ourselves.
>>29996956
You don't have friends, or will to work and you haven't had sex because you're mentally ill,
i have only had depression, panic attacks and i still have high functioning autism,
and that package was enough to fuck up my social life, my school and give me alcoholism (runs in the family),
my only job has been delivering papers which i held for 3 weeks.
>>29997069
Thanks for agreeing with me I guess?
>>29997065
If your parents don't want you and you have no friends, then go ahead and kill yourself.
Otherwise, you can still kill yourself, but people have a right to point out how selfish it is without being shut down by you touchy feely faggots
>>29997179
It isnt selfish. You are in control of your own life. No one can judge you based on your actions? Isnt that what you normies always go on about? Or does that only count when you wanna have casual sex?
>>29996998
Holy fuck, you are retarded with all those mental gymnastics and overall shit logic. And what's with that stupid analogy ? I bet that sounded really smart in your dumb brain when you wrote it.
If you have kids you have an obligation to be there for them financially and morally until they are of age, yes.
And that's the only thing you got right.
>If you're putting people you know through the pain of loss because of whatever trivial problems in your lives
It's your life, your choice what you do with it. You don't seem to get that in your stupid brain, you think other people should have control over your life because of their feelings. They are the ones being selfish for wanting you to stay alive when you don't want that, they should respect your choice about what you want to do with your own fucking life.
>trivial things
Yeah, cause all the people kill themselves over trivial things, retarded fuck.
>If you want to kill yourself, then fucking do it.
I never said anything about that, you're just a fucking moron.
See >>29996732 then commit suicide and take your 5th grader logic with you.
>Don't cause pain to others.
The fuck? I'm in pain BECAUSE of the others so see if I care.
Who the hell started this shit about suicide being selfish? It's my life, I end it whenever the fuck I want to.
>>29997238
>no one can judge you on your actions
People can judge you. People will judge you. People have a right to judge you. If we didn't judge each other, there wouldn't be civilisation.
>Or does that only count when you wanna have casual sex?
That empty millenial platitude is used to justify all kinds of selfish, harmful behaviours.
And apparently, now its used to justify suicide.
Stop trying to justify it.
>>29995099
Because you're part of the absolute lowest rung of society and you're expected to please and entertain everyone around you at your expense since their lives are more important than yours. You don't get to make choices. You don't get to prioritize yourself. You don't get to be happy. If you try, you get smacked down hard by those above you and put back in your place, reminded that you have been, are, and will forever be a worthless fucking loser. If you try to preemptively end your role as societal monkey and exit your miserable existence, you get shamed, hauled off to an institution in handcuffs, and pumped full of drugs until you promise you'll remain society's little bitch and not take any initiative for once in your life.
Normies go to sleep at night and genuinely think they're good people. Remember that.
>>29997417
>Don't cause pain to others
>Others should be able to cause pain to you because of muh feelings, ugh !
Anti-suicide fags in charge of being rational beings.
>>29997402
No ones stopping you from doing anything, fuckwit.
You can commit suicide anytime you want. (although, I doubt anyone on r9k will ever commit suicide, since they are all cry-for-help faggots that always talk about suicide, but never actually do it)
All I'm saying is people have the right to call selfish things selfish, and all your "muh feelings" bullshit shouldn't stop that
>>29997426
>Having control over your body is an empty millenial platitude
>You can't justify suicide
>Killing yourself is always bad because I say so
>Stop trying to justify your own actions that are unjustifiable, again, because I say so
Ha ha ahahahahah, holy fuck you are dumb.
>>29994930
Isn't it also pretty selfish to only care about me after I kill myself?
>>29997534
You still can't get it through your thick skull that wanting someone to keep living even if they don't want to is just as selfish as killing yourself when people want you alive, a case where the selfishness concept becomes useless and should be dropped. I usually dislike the left, but they are right on this one. The fact that you can't into basic logic doesn't make it less true.
>>29997554
You're not dumb. You are just rediculously narcissitic, like everyone else in your generation.
You let everyone know that when you used the old "no one can judge me" chestnut without any irony.
>>29995698
fucking kill yourself honestly get the hell out
>>29996131
I amDon't give up though, anon, it will get better one day if you don't give up
>>29997777
checking your quads, senpai.
>>29997788
They're friend quads, for everyone in this thread who thinks nobody cares about them
>>29995275
>We all need each other's help just to keep going.
So, by this logic, you not donating and actively volunteering is saying to others "get fucked".
Does it really matter when you're dead?
>>29995698
NEGRO ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS!!!!
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE !!!!
>>29996309
As nice as that sounds You dont know me so we cant really be friends ;-;
