You're a banana merchant. Your exterior, the way you look, how fat/fit you are etc., is the quality of your banana. Your confidence, your game, the way you act and talk to women is your ability as a salesman.
If your bananas look fucking delicious you will probably get a few girls wanting to buy some even if you don't even bother openly saying you're selling bananas. However, if you keep going on and on about how shitty and bad quality your bananas are, even if they aren't, she won't stay around for long.
As we all know, an amazing salesman can sell useless shit for an expensive price and get away with it, because he knows what to say and how to say it. But if your product is literal shit, that sale will be next to impossible to pull off. If you walk up to a woman and say "Look, I have these delicious, thick, juicy bananas and you're going to buy them right fucking NOW, because I know you long desperately for the feeling of having my bananas in your mouth, I KNOW you want it, you little slut. If your bananas are really appealing and look amazing, that sale will be really fucking easy, all the women will buy them. But if your bananas are small, rotten, brown and smell of shit, you'll just be seen as some shady person trying to sell bananas that are clearly not worth anything.
So, what am I trying to teach you here? If all you have is tiny, rotten, disgusting bananas, don't waste your time trying to sell them, instead focus on nurturing them and making them grow nice and big and juicy. When you succeed with that, and it will take a lot of effort, you might not even have to advertise, and if you don't have the confidence to advertise them, you'll gain it pretty quickly when you notice how all the women are head of over heels in love with your bananas. BUT. Don't misunderstand me here. You're not only putting all this effort in so that your "selling bananas to female customers"-business will flourish. You're doing it because big, juicy, delicious bananas are fucking great. You grew them with your own hard work, and now all these awesome bananas are all yours. If a particular woman wants to buy them, good for her. If she doesn't, her loss, she doesn't even realize how fucking delicious they are.
And eventually, this will happen. So hang in there.
>>29851758
not gonna read all this shit desu
>>29852170
Do it, or no girl will make your soft, sad banana hard and happy with her mouth, ever.
Now I just want to eat a banana
PUA are a cult of deluded predators which misconstrue the success of a numbers game with their creepy techniques
>>29852318
As long as they're your own bananas and you're not buying them from some other guy...alright, I'm not sure where I'm going with this analogy now to be honest. Not telling you to blow yourself, but I guess you could admire your chiseled physique in the mirror while eating an actual banana in a sensual way.
I'm a mushy, black banana. But I'm perfect for banana bread
>>29852352
Some are, but others have some seriously consistent success with women. There are definitely 'techniques' that will aid you in the game, however these are essentially just learning to read and write social cues. It's not like some hypnotic wizardry, really.
>>29852352
>Not going around begging for pussy and instead focusing on becoming fit, healthy and good-looking for your own sake and not really giving a fuck if you're getting laid or not is creepy
How did you come to that conclusion?
That being said, and I'm speaking my own personal opinion here, not on behalf of PUA or anything. Men ARE predators, to a degree. Back in the days we literally raped whoever looked hot when we got horny. We don't do that anymore and I'm not saying we should, it's pretty fucked up. But there's an instinctive biological reason that many women love the thrill of having a guy she's attracted to, in a relationship with and trusts hold her down, fuck her violently, grab her throat while doing it, or even initiating sex when it's completely unexpected and going through with it whether she wants it at the time or not. Women being turned on by domination isn't thanks to 50 Shades of Grey as people seem to think, it has been around for thousands of years.
Why would any girl want my bananas when other guys have already better bananas?
>>29852434
well, OP may be writing this originally, but it is not a new song and dance. The SUCK MY DICK but with different, non-actionable words is not some ground breaking scenario, pretty sure Jeffries and DeAngelo both had shitty iterations of it. If you could listen to a man telling you what OP told you and not think very little of them, regardless of their success, I guess we're different people. I'd consider you BELOW ME (you now want to suck my dick, because NLP is real)
>>29852434
Haha, you just reminded me of a Gavin Mcinnes quote. "Good sex should be just on the verge of 'this is going to court' "
>>29851758
This metaphor is redundant because it works exactly like this irl, the less attractive you are the more work you have to put in.
There's no reason to substitute this with "banana" and "salesman", it's exactly like time and money, or mass and energy
Also I'm not gonna buy your ebook
>>29852502
That's just the thing, if your bananas are shit, don't even think about how, when or where you're going to find girls who want them, fuck all that for a year or two and make your goal in life to make sure you have the most amazing bananas ever. Trust me, if you have good quality stuff and you yourself like the stuff you have, you'll have to get yourself bodyguards to keep the pussy off you. You don't need to have the best bananas in the world, you just need to have good ones and know that you do, that alone puts you over 99% of guys these days. This generation is fucked up, we're all browsing the internet, playing vidya and jerking off to porn 12-14 hours a day, your competition is pretty damn easy to beat right now.
>>29852750
My competition are outgoing, attractive and sociable banana sellers.
No one is looking for second-grade bananas from a tryhard when you can easily have better ones from genuinely better people.
>>29852750
>spend a couple of years improving my bananas
>meanwhile Chad the Banana Top Seller is making millions by selling his already perfect bananas
>finally reach a good quality level on my bananas
>no one wants them anymore
>stuck with a banana addict that ate Chad's bananas for 5 years
>>29852814
the real answer is engineering a banana virus that you get from either buying, or selling bananas
once people are afraid to buy and sell banana juice, OOHhh, you'll have time to win a greater customer base with your non-banana related products
(AIDS was invented by dicklets to even the field)
>>29852748
I don't have an ebook, I have a long way to go before being able to write something for the masses, you'll probably notice my bad habits of using , instead of . way too often and editing my text without removing all of the old text, like this: "I was I started doing..." with "I was" being the old text.
You're right though, if you want to get laid and you're broke, ugly, socially retarded and unintelligent, you basically have to trick the other person to have sex with you, because no one in their right mind would want to. Instead of trying to become the sexual equivalent of the world's best scam artist and inevitably cursing the female gender when this nearly impossible mission falls flat on its head, take the easy route instead. Fuck your vidya, fuck your porn, and start focusing on getting more money, becoming more attractive, working on your social skills, reading about lots of shit and if you need it (if you actually are mentally slow for real), doing some mental agility and critical thinking exercises. You'll find pretty quickly that becoming a more awesome person is a reward of its own, progressing will keep you happy and keep your mind off pussy enough to not binge on porn all day, and soon you'll notice that the streets are paved with girls spreading their legs and making come hither motions at you.
>>29852814
Yes they are, as opposed to you who are an introverted, ugly and socially retarded banana seller. None of those things are permanent though, if you feel that they're characteristics that you'd rather not have, do something to change them.
>>29852820
Again, the banana analogy is muddling things up a bit for me, but...no one wants them anymore? Are you suggesting that in a couple of years, girls will stop wanting cock? The thing is, you've probably heard the saying (exact number varies) that for 100 women who have had sex, there are 10 guys who have had sex with those women and 90 sad virgins who jerked off in their basements. You don't have to worry about Chad, he's already got so many customers that he can't even grow enough bananas to feed them, and there are tons of girls desperately looking for actual happy, confident, attractive men. There's not exactly a lot of those these days. And guess what, if you spend those couple of years improving your bananas, you don't have to stand there worried and insecure comparing yourself to that amazing Chad, because you will BE Chad.
>>29852869
>find pretty quickly that becoming a more awesome person is a reward of its own
Do you seriously believe this? Do you think people better themselves just for the sake of it?
>the banana industry is now shilling on r9k
>>29852968
Hey Bros, all I know is that once you start improving yourself, the bananas will follow, feel me?
If you build it. they will c u m, capiche?
I don't know, I suppose there is not anything inherently wrong with OP's banality, it just bugs me to hear cunts talk about human behaviour in absolutes when a simple head swivel will tell you they're talking out of their asses
>>29852947
I meant by the time you finally improve your shit, the girls sucked and fucked so much Chad cock that your "improved" stuff pales in comparison and you're basically obligated to settle.
Why? Age. I'm 27 and this is exactly what happened to me. I was a failure all my life and started improving my shit at 20. At 25 I got my shit together (for example, consider myself 80% of a Chad). All women near my age are turbosluts that partied and fucked all their life. I don't want them.
I want the prime teenage pussy that I missed. But alas, both society and the PTP don't want me. They'd rather suck the natural teenage Chad's cock.
But what if I don't want to sell my bananas? What if I don't want to sell bananas at all? What if I wanna go do something else instead of standing under the summer heat at a shitty roadside fruit stand with no wifi?
>>29852999
Meant to say society frowns on me, 27, going after teen pussy. And teens, while might become firstly infatued with me (stable, "experienced" older man), they'd rather fuck their teenage counterparts.
>>29852949
Yeah, I do. Would becoming fatter, dumber and more socially awkward make you less happy? Yes.
Would becoming more fit, smarter and more charismatic make you happier? Yes.
Take it from a fat, broke person with no redeeming traits other than an ok face, a witty sense of humor and a sharp mind who spent two years doing nothing being, depressed as fuck and regularly fucking two different girls during that time period. Getting to put your dick in a vagina feels good and makes your brain release some hormones that will make you feel satisfied and chill for the rest of the day or so. Having someone to genuinely love, respect and share your life with (which I didn't, the girls I fucked openly admitted it seemed boring and stupid to play vidya all day, and I regularly thought about how they weren't really smart enough for me to even be able to see them as equals) probably helps a lot, but guess what, you don't want a girl who would want to be with the miserable, self-hating mess you most likely are right now.
Pussy feels good, but pussy doesn't solve any of your problems, it's just jerking off with the same feeling of lethargy afterwards, but replacing the feeling of shame/frustration/despising yourself with a feeling of bliss and relaxation instead. Nice for the moment, zero long-time reward. The long-time reward comes from fucking someone you actually enjoy spending time with and genuinely want to have as a life partner, and trying to find someone like that when you're miserable, depressed and self-loathing is doing things backwards. Fix yourself, find what you want to do in life, she'll come along soon enough.
>>29852947
>None of those things are permanent though
That's quite a stretch. No one can really fix my small, malformed dicklet.
You will also find that people(at least the social ones) smell weakness from a mile away. Even if you make yourself presentable, you'll always be the odd one.
>>29852999
Another true cliche that you've probably heard is that women get less sexual value as they age, whereas men get more. A 20 year old woman is prime for fucking, delicious pussy, tight body, curious to explore, everything. When she's 40 she's worn out, jaded, bitter, probably half-dead by cigarette-induced lung cancer.
A man at 20 is inexperienced in bed, probably not physically fit, doesn't really have his shit together at all, chances are he's playing Xbox and eating cheetos in his underwear in his mom's basement all day and night. Not very sexy. At 40, he is confident, has learned how to be charismatic, works out regularly and takes care of his health, eats right, dresses well, fucks like a god and is probably pretty rich, or at least much richer than when he was 20. You've got all the time in the world, bro. Hell, by the time you're old enough to be unattractive, science will most likely have made your age moot in terms of both attractiveness and lifespan. But yes, I know what you mean, teenage pussy is great. I'm 24, lost my virginity at 20, still in the process of getting my shit together and the four girls I've fucked, one per year and in this order, have been ages 20, 15, 17 and 14. The 15 year old had fucked a guy older than me before and is currently in a relationship with a 38 year old. The 14 year old was a virgin when we had sex, but has a pretty huge fetish for older guys, and is in a relationship with a 29 year old now. You'll be fine, fix yourself and you'll drown in teenage pussy. Don't do anything illegal though.
>>29853000
Banana analogy is screwing me over again here. Bananas are your cock, but they're also everything of "value" about you as a person. As I said in the original post, you don't have to sell them if you don't want to. Just having amazing bananas is worth the effort regardless of what you're going to do with them.
>>29853204
>20
Make that 16 to 18
>inb4 pedo
Age of consent where I live is 14.
>>29853121
If your cock is such a dealbreaker, which I doubt it is (how many times have you gotten to the stage where she pulls your pants down, and then getting denied?), just don't worry about it and work on the other things. Hell, people are literally 3D-printing functional human hearts, drivable cars, inhabitable houses and edible, healthy food as we speak. If your cock is actually the one factor that makes you a forever alone virgin, you'll be able to fix it by the time the parts of you that you can fix with effort alone have been taken care of.
You're right about weakness/insecurity/awkwardness, it's pretty obvious when someone is trying to be something he isn't, and it's weird as fuck. Fake it til you make it works though. Just be weird as fuck around random girls regularly and soon enough, you'll stop being weird as fuck. Social awkwardness is not a permanent trait either.
could you make a point about women becoming less valuable as they age with actual points, not "uh you see when women are old, they'll probably have a worn out pussy and smoker's cough. Men though, age into a professional CEO Adonis"
you have to realize that you are fucking flooding your thread with empty a priori verbiage. You think age will stop mattering in 20 years due to... science?
are you high right now man... I, know you don't care what I have to say, and fair enough, but this shit is crazily retarded
unless it's just a feel good banana stand thread where self improvement is provoked through cliche assurances, in which case I'm wasting my time
>>29853257
I agree with you there. Like I said, I've tried 14, 15, 17 and 20. Had a crush on a 26 year old but that never got that far. I don't have a preference for teens over 20+ girls, but I'd say anything 14 and up is biologically intended to make your cock hard, fuck peoples' stupid, conservative christian morals. That being said, If you've ever fucked a girl under 18, you've probably noticed that other than the whole cock in pussy part, you might not be all that compatible. I'm guessing my ideal age right now when I'm 24 would be 18-22 or something along those lines.
>>29853265
Not to say that I am objective, but your own experiences make you a bit biased.
You said that you were a mess but still got laid regularly. I am 26 years old and I can count on one hand how many times a girl has interacted with me.
The way I see it, if I don't have that something that girls want, there's no reason to try at all. I feel that I'm far too bitter for any of this.
>>29853315
I don't think age will stop mattering in 20 years, no. But I'm pretty confident that I as a 24 year old (age-wise that is, there may be economic factors involved too) will live until the day humanity figures out how to make death and aging optional. By the time I'm 50, I intend to get into that research myself if it doesn't look too promising yet, because fuck dying.
There are actual reasons why women become less sexually valuable as they grow older. Menopause is a thing, there's a deadline for how long they can reproduce, which, at least subconsciously, is the reason you're having sex in the first place. A man does not instinctively want to fuck an infertile woman, that would be pointless. There's also the fact that they have a higher number of sexual partners under their belt as they get older. I don't personally (consciously anyway) care about that, I think everyone should fuck whoever they want as often as they want to without it being taboo, but slutshaming is a thing, and there are biological reasons for that too. Male humans can make multiple women pregnant every day, that's why we aren't too picky about who we fuck, we usually just want to fuck. Women have to suffer 9 fucking months of vulnerability, a painful birth process and several additional years to take care of the little thing just to make a single kid. There's a reason they want a man with good genetics who will keep her and their kid safe instead of running off when they're done fucking. That's why being a slut is bad, biologically. Do you see how an infertile woman who has slept with 50+ men in her life is not very appealing?
>>29853414
Yes, a man doesn't instinctively want to fuck an infertile woman, it would be pointless.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. You made that up in your head because it sounds right and are relaying it as a fact of human behaviour when if you looked at the world you would see infertile women getting fucked regularly. "But... evolutionary... uh... it would... waste resources". If you think people fuck based on instinct and for the purpose or reproduction alone... I mean. You don't think that, you could not possibly think that. So why are you speaking as if that is the case?
People are not 1 dimensional social chemistry equations that follow the "it should work this way" rule. How would you explain mature porn? The people that watch it are just fetishists not realizing their instinct want them to knock off twenty years so they can have a baby with them?
And beastiality porn? "oh yes they're attracted to horses because they see the wide child rearing hips"? I'm making these up obviously, but if you made the arguments I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm not defending older women mind you, limnal ridges are other indications of youth are actually attractive characteristics that can affect selective forces, I just want them addressed instead of washed over with bullshit
human behaviour and sexuality is not nearly explained fully by evolutionary science, and people are actual people not imaginations of what should and should not be
>>29853346
True, you have a point. To be more specific about "regularly", I lost my virginity in June 2013, met a girl online (got her kik and skype on a social site where most people are 13-22) around April 2014, mutual masturbation & dirty talk on skype regularly, visited her in May, fucked for a weekend, she stayed at my place for a week in July, fucked 4-5 times a day, she told me she wanted to become my girlfriend, I figured (never been in a relationship so I don't really know the "rules") that I couldn't make someone my girlfriend if I didn't love her, so I told her I couldn't. She went home at the end of the week, we gradually stopped talking, these days she's dating a 38 year old. March 2015 I met another girl on the same site, she visited me, we watched a movie and then fucked the rest of the night, after that she visited me about once a week or so until October, same thing here, she caught feelings, I couldn't reciprocate them. That made her feel worse and worse over time and at one point I started taking an antidepressant that killed my sexdrive, so I basically just fucked her for her sake for 2-3 weeks, then we ended it. She got a boyfriend a few weeks later. I met a third girl on the same site around that time, talked semi-regularly, met in March 2016, took her virginity, haven't met since, still talk sometimes. She has a 29 year old boyfriend now. (more in second post)
>>29853608
So yeah, I had some sex. It felt good. It didn't fix my depression, sex doesn't do that, change of lifestyle does. It's true, if girls don't find anything about you appealing, they won't have sex with you. I had a good sense of humor, a good mind and a decent cock, but that's all really. Fat, depressed and inexperienced in bed isn't really all that great, but I do get compliments for my personality. The point is, work on yourself. I'm not looking for sex right now. I'm preparing for school in August, I'm swimming daily and eating properly to stop being fat, and I'm reading about habits, motivation and investing. Have played maybe an hour of vidya during the last three weeks, compared to the 10+ hours a day I'm used to. Basically, I'm trying to become sexier, healthier, smarter and richer right now. I've got time for pussy later. And trust me, this feels great.
Or you could just stop fucking caring and live your own life.
>>29853618
Good luck to you anon. I'm too far gone but you look promising.
>>29853592
You're right in that not everything I say is quotes from scientific research journals, I take what I've read and come to logical conclusions based on that. I don't think that people fuck, think, act or do anything based on chemistry and instinct alone, but you'd be surprised how little the conscious part of your mind actually has a say in the matter. If my conscious mind had the majority vote, I'd never get addicted to stupid shit like fapping or pizza (have had pretty horrible issues with both in the past). But yeah, peoples' conscious thoughts do play a big part, of course. Mature, infertile women do get fucked on the regular, but I bet it isn't exactly by the men of their dreams. Life partners would fuck them, guys with low sexual value, young or old would fuck them, male prostitutes would fuck them, people with mature fetishes would fuck them. But I doubt they sleep with rich, hot, successful men all that often. (more in post 2)
>>29853814
When it comes to porn, people have studied that pretty extensively while looking into the porn addiction that pretty much our entire generation has, me included (trying to get rid of it though). Instinctively, men really love variation when it comes to sex. That's probably one of the reasons why people are unfaithful too. Same wife you've fucked 900 times isn't that exciting, but your co-worker who you've never fucked is. Makes sense, can't get the same woman pregnant twice (without waiting for a while, anyway). Porn works like that too. If you watch the same old video every day, it'll stop being hot pretty quickly. So people try something else for the sake of novelty. Hell, things I've been into include deepthroat, facials, swallowing, bondage, missionary with eye contact, choking (the hand around her throat kind, not the cock in her throat kind), bukkake, girls getting fucked by machines, girls getting fucked by dogs, girls getting fucked by horses, gangbangs, girls available for anyone to use in public, passed out/sleeping/really drunk girls getting fucked, the list goes on and on. Does that make me the biggest, most varied perverted fetishist ever? No, it makes me your average male who spent his days age 13-24 on the internet watching porn about twice a day on average. Regular old stuff gets boring, so you try new stuff. Apparently it's pretty common for fully straight guys to start regularly watching gay or shemale porn in that way, only to completely lose attraction to it once they manage to get their porn habits under control.
>>29853728
Thanks, genuinely makes me happy to hear that, I'm kind of a sucker for compliments. I feel promising right now, but incidentally I kind of have an urge to watch some porn and fap after writing all that. I probably shouldn't though.
>>29853632
Just sharing my thoughts on life. If you don't agree or want to read it, that's alright.
>>29853840
>I kind of have an urge to watch some porn and fap after writing all that. I probably shouldn't though.
I'd say do it because what's the point, but you're right, you probably shouldn't.
>>29853875
Nofap is a thing. Not something I have researched much personally but like a lot of the other stuff I said above, it makes sense intuitively. All living creatures, us included, live for one main purpose, passing on their genes to their offspring. We have conscious minds to think with and come up with other things to motivate us, but the subconscious part of you that just wants you to do nothing but cum in pussies, eat and sleep is still pretty fucking strong. Whenever I fap, I feel tired, unmotivated, and will usually follow up with eating something and/or watching an episode of some series. Makes sense, I just came, I literally fulfilled the purpose of my life for the day or at least a few hours, of course I'll shut down and not do anything. Longest nofap I've ever pulled off was 29 days, it ended with me taking a 4 hour train trip to visit a female friend I had a crush on, making a move on her, getting rejected, snooping through her computer while she's at school, finding nudes of her and having the most glorious fap of my life. Lost my virginity with the same girl 6 months later. Being horny makes you get off your ass and do crazy shit. Not saying snooping through girls' computers and fapping to their nudes is productive, but it takes a lot more energy than sitting on your ass at home, and that energy can supposedly be repurposed to do the things you want to but never have the motivation to do in life.
>>29854024
Funny, nofap makes me way more depressed than usual.
>>29854024
Nofap is a meme
Porn is the real enemy
Fapping using your imagination is healthy and should be encouraged
>months of no fap
Enjoy your fucked up prostate
>>29854154
I've heard that and I'm not refuting it, it makes sense that the rewiring that happens in your brain when you get to experience dozens of different "mates" every day would majorly fuck with your relationship to sex and cumming. Fapping with your imagination would still be cumming though, and the reward of getting to cum is what instinctively motivates you. Wouldn't that mean you'd still not try to do anything with your life if you can just have the reward whenever you want to?
Tried nofap, after 4 days i had a pretty good fap.
Would only do nofap again to explode like a volcano again.
>>29854267
Yeah. just look at all that people that 180'd their lives just by stopping fapping. Oh wait, they're still failures, except they cum in their sleep now.
>>29854328
Not just by stopping fapping of course. Most people these days have a slew of shitty habits, fapping (if it is indeed something you shouldn't be doing) is just one of them. If your daily routine still consists of playing vidya, browsing the social media, eating fastfood and smoking weed, you're not going to 180 your life until you quit most or all of those too.
>>29854366
>shitty habits
>vidya
>social media
>weed
That's just your opinion, man.
>>29854397
salt and fat are what drives people to act, blowing loads and self worth are tertiary
>>29854366
>If your daily routine still consists of playing vidya, browsing the social media, eating fastfood and smoking weed, you're not going to 180 your life until you quit most or all of those too.
Just the fast food. Some people want attractive losers but no one wants a fat loser.
>>29854024
>Nofap is a thing
Especially after day 7139
The fact that this comparison fits just makes me want to kill myself. How can we say that every human life is worth the same when society gives everyone value tags like this. Every human is born with different traits and won't have the same chances to be successful as others. And even if the chances were equal, there would still be a huge disparity in value we give different members of our society.
Besides that, knowing that there are people below me on that value ladder, who probably live even shittier lives than I am, and thinking about the fact that I would actively devalue other people if I ever moved up on that ladder just makes me feel bad to my stomach.
>>29854722
stop reading pick up artist advice forums,. You did not independently come up with the terms for sexual and social value. There is some truth to them, but these faggots spout it off as if it is an actual value that people have around their necks.
Look at kijiji, there is a ton of fucking trash that niggers will pay either nothing or hundreds of dollars for. Natural value is not the retail price and human value is not however you or your fuckbuddies want to evaluate someone's value to be.
Get out of your head and get out of your house
>>29854722
>How can we say that every human life is worth the same when society gives everyone value tags like this
Because people are hypocrites and those higher on the social ladder are the biggest hypocrites of all
>>29854453
Nobody wants a stoner either
>>29854809
If he's attractive and has a big cock, all is forgiven.
