Veganism
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Anyone here vegan? Ever consider it? Reasons opposed it it?
I'd like to bring up some super heavy argument but the truth is I just like eating meat. Tried going vegetarian for a few days, didn't feel full without meat, question answered. Omnivores I guess
>>29576225
not vegan but I am vegetarian for cultural reasons I suppose
I think veganism is a little too extreme, it's very hard to be vegan in the United States unless you decide to hardly ever eat out - many restaurants do not have vegan options, many don't even have good vegetarian options
I don't know why anyone would oppose someone else being vegan - that being said I think many people who decide to "try out" veganism take it way too lightly and don't think enough about maintaining good nutritional habits, instead choosing to JUST cut out animal products but not replacing the nutrients they are missing, that's why you see stories about stupid vegan people killing their babies
>>29576225
that pic just gave me a dose of uncanny valley
Plants have feelings too. Why injure an innocent tomato or separate a one happy potato from it's family?
You are all bastards
My parents are vegans and it's honestly way too much work to be a vegan.
I'm a vegetarian but I enjoy cheese way too much to ever be a vegan.
>>29576225
Sister is
Sometimes I make vegan food for the hell of it, it isn't bad, usually just like salads or smoothies
Honestly it isn't bad but people are too vocal about it and a lot of them think that because they're vegan they're instantly healthier which isn't the case. I've had family members get fucked up because they went vegan and didn't get certain minerals or eat enough because they thought they were eating fine.
Honestly it isn't that different from eating regularly, you'd be surprised how easy it is to do and how cheap it can be
tl;dr: dont be a retarded cunt about it
>>29576225
I went vegan for a month when I was a teenager because a friend of mine was. It was really difficult and about halfway through, I started taking B12 because I wasn't getting enough. Vegetarianism is fine for health; only go vegan if you have allergies or whatever.
>>29576373
Thats cool rob. I felt the same way I understand.
I just felt better after veganism. Health wise, not moral. Seriously fuck dolphins I would fuck therir blowholes till theu suffocate.
no i won't be a vegan
because only retards are vegans that like to skew their arguments in their favor
first and foremost you are not getting enough protein, even if you think you do
second, you don't get enough calories in total, even if you eat fruit
third, you don't get B12, some omega 3 acids and creatine
also low cholesterol is just as dangerous as high cholesterol
>inb4 muh nuts
humans are omnivores we don't just eat nuts our system needs more complex nutrition
>>29576422
Now now rob. Plants have no brain or central nervous system. It would dumb for something that cant escape pain to feel it.
Also fuck the moral arguement.
>>29576482
>no i won't be a vegan
nobody is asking you to be vegan
>you don't get enough calories in total
this is bullshit
Vegan Wizard reporting in.
Just do it, OP. It's much easier than you think. Spend a few hours reading up about basic nutrition, start phasing out meat-based meals, start finding more vegan recipes to replace them. Then begin phasing out dairy\egg\etc based meals. Take vegan B12, Omega 3's, and a Calcium\Zinc mineral supplement and you'll be fine.
>veganism
>atheism
>pro-choice
>socialism
>feminism
What else do normies try to convert you to?
I really like meat.
I can make a perfect steak that will make you cum.
>>29576511
maybe you do get ur calories but ur lacking fat, since veggies are so low calorie and most of it is absorbed and not converted
>>29576556
>having a religion
wew
>>29576556
>crossfit
>gluten free
>vaping
>weed
Just eat more fish. It's good for the environment since the over-fishing of the sea.
that uncanny valley is messing with me
>>29576482
Vitamin b12 is added to soy milk. But for all the other vegans out there.
TAKE YOUR FUCKING SUPPLEMENTS.
Your not cheating if you take a multi vitamin.
So shut up and take your supplements and eat some fucking flax already. And eat some damn carbs too. You twiggy salad eating fucks are making the the rest of us look bad.
>>29576587
>>vaping
vaype naysh yo
>>29576524
OP here. Already vegan. Thanks anyways rob.
>>29576655
can't escape the cancer, even here
I am of the belief that everyone should evaluate how they feel about eating meat. Not just eating the end product, but examining how they feel about every step of the process. If you have moral qualms about anything, you should stop eating meat. I've seen a bunch of documentaries, I watch Food Incorporated, and I still find eating meat to be worthwhile.
>>29576651
i agree that when looking at the big picture vegans are much healthier than the average person.
i just don't like the "we have it all" argument
>>29576225
i did vegetarian for ~6 months with cheas on thanksgiving.
i was soo hunrgy i couldn't keep it up. felt great physically but i needed to really feel full.
>>29576225
some questions for vegans here:
were you born vegan? if not, when and why did you decide to switch? Did you become a vegetarian first before becoming vegan?
how often do you eat out? has being vegan affected your lifestyle much (other than your diet obvi)
>>29576556
>normies
>vegans
Normies want to eat pepperoni pizza and talk about bacon like it's a meme.
>>29576690
>not even checking my dubskys
I've been a vegetarian for a year now, feels great I dunno if I could do vegan though maybe someday.
>>29576727
I know the feel rob. I still eat more than i used too on a omni diet. but its nice to gorge and still lose weight. Thats why im sticking to it.
>>29576736
my friend is vegan and he is smug as shit
he almost killed me when i ordered a pizza
>>29576838
>pizza
oh fuck I forgot vegans can't even eat cheese
what the fuck how do you guys even live? You can't eat pizza, I eat pizza like 3 times a week
vegetarian is enough for me I think
>>29576876
i order a pizza like every two weeks and its not even a full size pizza its like 4 small slices.
i stopped ordering tho because the order limit changed
>>29576736
Op here. Over half a year now
Did the 30 day vegan challenge for the meme. Straight vegan cooked everything in the beggining.
Felt better, kept it going. Trying to eat cheese or eggs made me sick. Meat was tolorable but didnt like ot anymore.
Still eat out constantly since sauce, fries, bread, quac and AZN food isvegan or can easily be made vegan.
>mmmm delicious side dishes.
Lost weight helping with social interactions. Also being male vegan makes you a rare commoditee. Other than that i still play vidya and hit the bars.
>>29576736
Not born vegan. I became vegan at 26, which is later than most. I became vegetarian for exactly a year to the day, then became vegan. I had I think two 'lapses' while vegetarian - one time I was moving house shortly after become vegetarian, hadn't eaten all day and the only food available was some Thai-takeway with prawns\shrimp so I ate that, but then again I consider fish and prawns\shrimp to be somewhat more acceptable to eat. I had one lapse as a vegan and ate a meat pie because I'd ordered for somebody else, they weren't going to eat it and I figured it didn't make a difference whether it went into the bin or into my stomach (I'm a vegan mostly for moral reasons). My biggest struggle going vegetarian was actually quitting eating cheap chocolate like M&M's, Snickers, Chocolate milk, etc. Mostly because of the sugar content. I haven't had a 'lapse' in several years now, and I haven't been tempted in about as long. When I went veg\vegan I was sure I was going to go mad with 'cravings', but that never really happened, I missed Quarter Pounders for a while but quickly stopped caring.
I don't eat out at all, but I live in Melbourne, Australia which has hundreds of vegan restaurants, cafes, bakeries, etc. Most supermarkets here have a small section with a few vegan products, many products in Australia advertise when they're vegan. I don't eat out because i"m an anti-social wizard, but I've always been like this. Plenty of vegans where I live eat out all the time.
>>29576876
I still eat pizza. Hand tossed doe is vegan by default and if i want cheese i use some fake cheese.
OP is it true your erection quality increases after going vegan? This alone may be my primary motivation to make the switch.
>>29577046
its mostly the vitamins and low fat diet that increase bloodflow
>>29577046
Well rob, studies point to yes. But desu for me its more about how hydrated I am.
>>29577046
Also they say penis problems are the firat sign of heart disease. Get yo shit checked rob.
>>29576225
I think the reason most people become vegan or vegetarian is the moral argument, but the biggest direct benefit of vegetarianism by far is the environmental benefit
The environmental cost of producing meat is much, much worse than that of grains - not only the obvious "my food needs food to eat" part (meat uses 10x more water per kg than a kg of grains or fruits, not even taking into account the food they eat)
but animals also produce a LOT of waste and require antibiotics, both of which are hard to get rid of easily
that's the reason I became vegetarian, I mean obviously one person can't really save shit, but, I guess no one drop causes the storm hehe
after stopping eating meat, meat just seems disgusting to me also. it has a weird smell.
Hominids are an easy 3-7 million years removed from an all vegetable matter diet.
How about an argument for why this shit meme diet is still being taken seriously.
>>29577196
Explain bonobos and gorillas.
>inb4 97% percent plant based by calories is not technocally vegan.
>>29577196
>>29577249
Relevant infographic posted herein.
>>29577249
Bonobos and Gorillas are not hominids. Both eat meat if they can catch it. We are 7million years removed from chimps and bonobos and much more from gorillas.
You have no point.
>>29577316
Jist looked up hominod. Assumed it icluded most primates. Your point checks out.
It is definatly a meme diet. Works tho.
>>29577196
>>29577249
>>29577285
>>29577316
Honestly, I don't give a shit about "muh history" or "muh origins" arguments, they don't matter for anything
even if humans descended from wolves or animals which ate 100% meat, we CAN live a healthy lifestyle today without meat, can we not? millions of people do. My grandpa never ate meat once in his life, and he is 6'2" and still very healthy. A vegetarian diet works.
vegetarianism is simply more environmentally friendly than eating meat, it produces much, much less waste, and more economical, it's much cheaper to be a vegetarian
Not vegan. Dont think i will be.
If animals are too stupid to have a sense of their surroundings, reference level or can even have a level of self-awareness (having memory, show emotions that aren't based on 'calm state' or 'panic state'), they're probably not even aware of life the way we are. I don't mind domesticating them and using them for it.
If that's the case though, i should stop eating pork and beef. Chicken and fish is okay though.
>>29576838
Ugh I know that feel.
EVERY time i'm in his presence he mentions in some way or another how he's superior because he's a Vegan
>>29576225
I am about to stop eating mamals. Will eat only chicken and turkey for a while, and if i can handle it, i will become pescetarian. Going vegan is not good for you, especially if you work out. pescetarians>vegeterians>>>>vegans.
I am against halal meat though. We should kill all animals with as less pain as possible. Not slit their throats and watch them suffer for minutes just because of a stupid ideology.
>>29576225
its unhealthy for yr vagine
>>29577438
>"Going vegan is not good for you, especially if you work out"
Care to explain your reasoning on this one
>>29577438
>Not slit their throats and watch them suffer for minutes just because of a stupid ideology.
wait what the fuck
I thought halal just meant made in the presence of a priest or something?
>>29577438
If your gonna eat pesco make sure to eat lower on the food chain. Industrial Toxins build up in the larger fish. Especially dolphins.
>>29576225
Whether or not you eat the meat doesn't matter, the animal is still dead. Might as well enjoy the spoils of not being born a fucking carrot
>>29577493
I can understand this if your your going for dbz gainz. But anything less is totally viable.
>>29577392
>I don't care about science and history and how they challenge my moralistically determined reality.
You are apart of a cult then.
Went vegan for a couple years as a teenager. I turned into a skeleton and stunted my growth as a result. I really got memed.
>>29577507
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shopping-and-consumer-news/11384505/Secret-halal-slaughterhouse-film-reveals-horrific-animal-abuse.html Watch some of this stuff, it gets me pretty angry
>>29577507
Kosher and halal require the animal to bleed out, in the presence of a priest.
>>29576784
i didnt really know how to cook vegetarian at that time though so that probably hurt my chances. thinking about going meat free most of the time and eating animals three or four times a month.
>>29577493
you don't have creatine which is important for maintaining muscle, also you would need much more carbs and protein in total
>>29577548
>I don't care about science
who are you quoting
read the rest of my post first anon
vegetarian diets are not only viable but quite healthy
>>29577612
The body creates its own creatine.
>>29577563
Be bee bee bee be beep*
This just in. Animals are killed before you eat them!
"OMG I can't believe it was happening in my very city let alone in a building I drive by! I don't feel safe!"
More at 11.
>>29577541
No thanks. Fuck morals, this is about A E S T H E T I C S
>>29577555
only reason im not fully down with it is because i believe meat intake is somewhat related to testosterone levels, also not every bodytype can have low calorie diet
>>29577642
our body also produce thc, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't smoke weed
>>29577541
>Whether or not you eat the meat doesn't matter, the animal is still dead.
you pinpointed why the moral argument is retarded
stop eating meat for YOU, stop eating meat to make our society a better place, not for the dumbass animals
>>29577601
Rice / pressure cooker rob. Without them your looking at 1.5 hour cook times for feasts.
They only cost 20 bucks and up.
>>29577612
>" important for maintaining muscle"
keep on trying friendo
>>29577746
>Creatine is a nitrogenous organic acid that occurs naturally in vertebrates and helps to supply energy to all cells in the body, primarily muscle.
naturally occurring does not mean you can't resupply it
>>29577612
>implying you dont want to eat more carbs and protein.
Also why do you need more protein? Just cause vegan protein? I dont think your body cares where you get your amino acids rob.
>>29577507
they cant use anesthesia or bolt guns on the animals cause they wont be "pure" anymore. Also for some reason they cant cut off their heads so they can die as quickly as possible, they slit a vein in their throat. and it takes 30seconds to several minutes before they die.
>>29577493
Protein. Do not start the classic beans have protein. No they dont, and if you eat so many beans to get enough protein, you will overdose on vitamin b1-b3-b6 and b9.
>>29577777
I've never seen something as beautiful as these numbers before, anon. Thank you.
>>29577772
because post-workout your muscle is rebuilding itself more than usual
>29577612
Looks like creatine to me
>>29577847
>>29577612
Doot doot oregano comment
>>29577777
Amazing rob. These quints are very aesthetic. Especially since all the nbers except 9 is a fibonacci number.
But only retards wpuld monocrop their protein. Theres things other than beans and peanuts for protein. Like lettuce and rice and everything.
>>29577946
actually seek protein charts at this point
>>29577840
Acknowledge. But why would say 50grams of pork protein differ from 50grams of soy protein ( OR other source)
>>29578004
not a big difference, its mostly because of the carbs and fat that comes with it that acts as a fuel to work with your muscle.
you actually need those to sustain muscle building
there is a argument that meat protein is processed better, but that's not really established
>>29578052
cont. if you have problem with getting any type of fat in your diet then add it, as most veggies don't contain any fat whatsoever
>>29578076
I recommend just mayos and cooking oils. Or nuts if you want to be a savage.
>>29577946
you do know that protein from plants is way harder to absorb right? And besides that, maybe i dont want to eat rice and peanuts all day so i can achieve my daily amount of protein. Maybe i want to find an easier way. And not deny my true nature completly, that i am a omnivorous.
>>29577993
I never said they had much.
>>29576225
Never seen a male vegan that I couldn't snap in half like a twig.
>>29578200
>doesnt want to eat more
Thats fine rob just keep the aesthetics going.
>>29577615
>muh origins
>muh history
That is science. That is reality. We are omnivores wether you eat that diet or not because this is what we have evolved into. To immedietly put a stop to that path set down by our very DNA is not healthy. Do not claim it is healthy or healthier when you ignore millions of years of molecular adaption. It is a risky lifestyle that only the first worlders can barely pull off because they live amongst grocery stores and supplement pharmacies.
Because you ignore history and your origins you are ignorant of reason and flaunt it. You are foolish. You have let yourself be sucked in by fads and facebook infographics. You parrot someone elses squawks and call it truth and moral. For the past 195,000 years and farther back you'd find no time or place in which you could survive on the vegetable matter within your ability to travel on foot.
Veganism and Vegetarianism is not a human diet.
Veganism is about a transition to healthy foods beneficial and medicinal to your body for optimum quality of life
Not about not hurting animals .
Go to whole foods and ask people why they buy that stuff because its fucking healthy
Its science.... Now going apeshit and not eating any protein you will probably die but smart vegans will figure that shit out
>>29578375
>only the first worlders can barely pull off
no
you seem to think the whole world is the west anon
whites eat much, much more meat than other races
hundreds of millions of people around the world are vegetarian, do you realize that? many people are living fine without meat every day
the fact of the matter is, anon, you can live a perfectly healthy life with meat and you can life a perfectly healthy life without. it's more up to you to decide how healthy you are, by making sure that regardless of your dietary preferences, you are eating healthily.
>>29578375
>can find enough vegetable matter on foot
You forgot about farming rob.
>>29578448
the "hundreds of millions" (more like billions) you're referring to are dirt poor and have myriad health issues related to their nutritional deficiency
Im really suprised no one played the china study card.
I'm vegan except honey and fish, don't give a fuck about animals and wear their skin but I was sick of breathing heavy and being lied to.
>>29578835
Sadly algae blooms are wiping out your fish harvest. Picrelated.
Lol silly rob. Fish isnt vegan.
>>29578437
That's a plant based diet, not veganism
>>29578375
>You are foolish. You have let yourself be sucked in by fads and facebook infographics. You parrot someone elses squawks and call it truth and moral. For the past 195,000 years and farther back you'd find no time or place in which you could survive on the vegetable matter within your ability to travel on foot.
I am Indian [American] and most Indians are vegetarians. My parents are vegetarians, my grandparents are vegetarians, their grandparents were vegetarians, and their parents before them.
I don't know how far back this goes anon but this isn't any new generational fad - people have been vegetarian in India for a very, very long time.
also, human ancestors were almost all completely vegetarian - I'm not saying that meat was not an important part of the early human's diet, but it's clear from human anatomy that our ancestors were not meat eaters, or did not eat nearly as much meat as we do. Even in the direct past, the early humans never ate as much meat as we do today, in fact people didn't start eating meat like we do today until the last century
>>29578597
that's right, there are many Indians that have health issues related to their nutritional deficiency, but that doesn't mean nutritional deficiency is related to vegetarianism. This is more a poverty problem than anything else, just like anywhere in the world, the poor are not as healthy as the rich.
It is completely possible to live a healthy lifestyle being a vegetarian, but if you eat like the average dalit you are not gonna be too healthy
>>29576651
This is why I think vegans has mental illness
>cheating
Cheat for what??? Nobody ever enforced this stupid idea on you and yet you act like you'd be punished by invisible executed if you eat meat
Vegans are like a bunch of extremist want to accomplish some goals and show the world they're onto something. But nobody ever knows what they're on about...
>if I shower, I waste water
>therefore stop showering guys!
>I'm 80days without shower. I stink but I'll maintain this status
>take some dry soap it's cheating! Still cleans you but it's not shower!
This is same kind of non-sense bullshit. You just set up an useless goal then put much effort in it. Congrats you accomplished absolutely nothing and laughed by others.
>>29579133
Lolwut.
Is this.. Crystalized autism?
>>29579224
>vegan
>accusing others have autism
Fuck off
Vegans do stupid non-sense shits to themselves. I don't even care but I'm mad stupid people make themselves suffer because they're too stupid
>>29579266
>on r9k. The bastion of self inflicted misery. Cares what people do to themselves
That ones gonna need sum splainin.
Veganism, taken to its logical conclusion, results in human extinction.
Its been fun. Goodnight rob. Gotta wake up early to milk the almonds.
>>29579583
Where do you live what time is it there
Why do you call everyone rob
>>29579693
Currently 11:31
New york
Its like anon but for robots. Also helps with unique posts. Rob.
>>29579741
Ohh haha that makes sense
Would you say you feel tired all the time?
>>29576225
I eat meat but I respect vegans who are vegan for moral reasons, but not health reasons. I considered it, but I crave the taste of iron and meat occasionally, especially after I exercise.
It doesn't matter anyway, soon cultured meat will be available and there won't be any reason to be a vegan.
>>29579769
No. More hungry than i used to. I eat more to compensate. Gnight rob. I wont reply anymore.
>>29579130
sure buddy.
if you drank milk 2000 years ago you might puke and die and now your body adjusted because human bowels adjusted
also humans couldn't grow food all year long, especially certain foods
I like being vegan, the very IDEA of veganism triggers the fuck out of carniecucks. Keep eating animal flesh, retards.
>>29576376
>I think veganism is a little too extreme, it's very hard to be vegan in the United States unless you decide to hardly ever eat out.
This hasn't really been my experience. I've found it to be quite easy to be vegan in the US.
Most chain restaurants offer vegan dishes, and a lot of local restaurants can whip something up upon request.
>>29578220
https://edbauerfit.com/
>>29576225
I HATE this spooky angry tree
>>29576651
I did see vegan buff guys but they eat like a tub of whey a day.
>>29576373
I can at least respect your being honest about it. Too many people are obviously (if they are ever made aware of it) bothered by the barbarity of meat and dairy production yet cannot admit that the only reason they continue to consume these things is because they are basically addicted to the taste, convenience and tradition of it all and feel the need to conjure up absurd excuses instead of just admitting the real reason. I am not assuming you care at all about animal welfare or bioethics, but at least you can be honest about the main reason that you consume animal (bi)products.
Yo vegans, vegetarians why do you think that fish and seafood okay to eat?
>>29581406
Whey isn't vegan though. It's a dairy product.
>29581559
Vegans and actual vegetarians don't eat fish (or lobster, etc.)
The right term for a diet that includes fish but excludes other kinds of meat is pescatarian.
>>29581559
They don't, there's another word for that altogether.
People who say they're vegan or even vegetarian while consuming seafood of any kind are full of shit or just don't understand the terminology.
Vegetarians simply abstain from meat but eat drink dairy products/biproducts and things that may be fortified with animal derived vitamins.
Vegans take it a step further and exclude any and all meat/dairy/anything that may possibly have gelatin, cochineal dye, whey and other unseen and otherwise unidentifiable animal sourced ingredients that can only be known to be present if an ingredients list is accompanying the food product in question.
>>29576225
I like meat, and I don't care about the suffering of animals.
>>29581681
Why do vegans go so far?
>>29581803
As a vegan, I can answer that I'm vegan because the dairy and egg industries are closely linked with the meat industries and cause easily as much suffering. Truth is they're basically one thing.
Cows on dairy farms get sold for beef when they get too old to produce enough milk to be more profitable than it would be to replace them. Also for a cow to give milk, she has to get pregnant first and then her calf is taken away and sold for veal--so the dairy and veal industries are really two sides of the same coin. For the sake of consistency, I avoid both.
And hens are killed when it's no longer profitable to keep them for egg production.
I think vegetarianism is good, but I'm a vegan because I do think it's better.
>>29581803
probably because they're insecure elitists who need a cause to be braggarts about and virtue signal at every turn of the way
it's an endless game of one-upmanship and veganism is nearest the top of the list of unone-uppable things, the only people who can one-up even them are jainists who're vegan (most are vegetarian at least)
it's all just arrogance and it's a social currency of sorts
that's more or less what a lot of people would say or think
I can't tell you why every veganfaggot is a veganfag, only why I am, but that would take forever to explain in detail
just know that there are three main reasons; environmental conservation/health/ethics and within those you'll find many specific reasons of different people should you inquire
