I'm banned from /pol/ again so I'll ask here.
What is the point of "saving western civilization"? So I, as a young male, can "save" a society that hates me? So I can defend the right of young women to take slutty, nude selfies?
What is the point? I mean, I hope western civilization crumbles, I really do, but the "alt-right" and such never give any solid reasons as to why men should save western civilization in the first place.
Islam is the only truth, the salvation of the West lies in conversion.
>>29544962
>What is the point of "saving western civilization"?
Depends on your definition of "western civilization". If this definition includes all the results of this civilization such as science, medicine and human rights then it's obvious it should be preserved for the well-being of everyone on the planet, not just westerners.
The rest of your shitpost can be summed up in "tfw no burqa 12 year-old to buy at the local slave market" and I can see why you got banned from /pol/
>>29544981
I honestly thought about that as I was typing the thread out. I'm as white as white can be, but I really, REALLY hate western civilization. I was never treated good, I had a bad life and the degeneracy I've seen just make it worse.
Western society hates men - especially young, white males.
>>29544962
> I hope western civilization crumbles
What do you think will take its place?
A better society?
I don't think it's about "saving" it, as in, keep the status quo. We have to believe in a set of virtues and work toward their realization.
America is what it is because men in the past did tremendous sacrifices, and it wasn't so that their grand-grand-kids could freely stomp each others to buy the last Air Jordan.
>>29544962
Take this shit back to po- shit
>>29545079
>
The rest of your shitpost can be summed up in "tfw no burqa 12 year-old to buy at the local slave market" and I can see why you got banned from /pol/
False. I got banned from /pol/ for making a thread about video games, because other people did, and then I assume the other people that made them got banned too.
No shitpost intended. What "human rights"? The west kills plenty of people without due process, and "human rights" won't matter when males are forcefully rounded up and brought to the frontlines in a major war. "Equality" FTW.
>>29545090
I don't care what will take it's place, I just want the current civilization to crumble. Men in the past only made sacrifices because they were appreciated and rewarded as men for doing so. Those days no longer exist.
>>29544962
Western Civilization is the crown jewel of human achievement. EVERYTHING of value that mankind has struggled for, fought for, and created has culminated into the place where we are right now.
Africans couldn't do it (and never will). Arabs couldn't do it. It was OUR white and far-east asian ancestors who developed everything of value on this planet--- science, medicine, mathematics, philosophy, art, law, ethics, architecture, etc. Everything that we take for granted is a result of Western Civilization.
Western Civilization is worth preserving. Far-East Asian civilization is worth preserving. Every other race never made it past the stone-age, and they can all burn, to be quite honest.
Just because you don't have a girlfriend (or whatever petty reason you've got a chip on your shoulder), doesn't invalidate the incredible achievement of Western Civilization, and the white men who created it.
>>29545128
Our current civilization is not totally ideal, certainly not for losers like us, but what alternative would you prefer?
>>29544962
The idea isn't saving it to keep it going. As it is, it can't continue. Saving it in this case means changing it so that it can survive.
The changed western society the alt-right want, is very different from current western society.
>>29545231
the alt-right are just reactionaries but dumber
being dumber defeats the whole point of the exercise
>>29544962
I agree that "western civilization" (nice meme) isn't worth saving, but your reasoning is still asinine and effeminate.
>>29545268
lol yes REAL MEN defend societies that hate them and actively shit on their sexuality while rewarding the sexuality of women
call him a cuck some more, that'll surely bring him around to your way of thinking
>>29545264
It doesn't matter, you asked what the point is. The point is to save western society by changing it.
If you'd asked what the deal with the alt-right is, or why they're dumb, that would be something different entirely.
>>29545178
>crown jewel of human achievement
I think you meant to type Japan somewhere in this post but you forgot to
>>29544962
I find it hilarious that you got banned from /pol/ out of all places for such a thread if this is indeed what has happened.
Anyway the point of "saving western civilization" is to prevent it from falling under anarchy, because without law it is what WILL happen.
That being say, you have to remember that all the "young women being slutty" is of no importance to the men at the top of the society, it just annoys the masses like you but you have no power so who cares?
You want to change things? Get rich, get powerful and do something. Try to not get assassinated in the process though.
>>29545298
I think you misread my post. I'm only berating his mode of thinking, too personal and consequentialist.
>>29544962
You seem to misunderstand. Women being fucking sluts is NOT a part of the western civilization we want back... that is the work of the Jews and cultural marxism. We want to bring back an age of purity and follow the new fuhrer when he arrives
>>29545306
No I think he studiously avoided it to avoid ridicule. As if we couldn't tell.
>>29545336
dude if you keep caring about what happens to you and, like, actual results and shit, how do you expect to sacrifice yourself to a social superorganism???
>>29545085
The people that make you feel like shit are the people that have Western society.
The reason you don't like society is because we aren't living in what could be considering Western civilisation.
Woman's suffrage, making boys have feel like they have no worth. Giving women control over us.
This is exactly what "sabotage west" is trying to stop.
>>29545369
>ridicule
>"we"
yeahhhh im pretty much the class "leader" i guess, like no one says anything but they respect my role, its pretty much implied
>>29545352
I'm so ready already
>>29544962
If you don't like where you live, leave. if you don't have the desire to fortitude to leave, stay put and shut up. if you don't like either of those options, kill yourself. I mean, society caters to society, you're a minority in a sense. the best thing to do is try to fit in or go out like a philosopher and be remembered after you're dead
>>29545378
It's weak, lots of robots are pussies too scared of whatever antisocial tendencies they have, so they blame themselves and implicitly accept superstructures that are hostile, alien or immoral rather than live out and accept whatever antisocial impulses they may have.
Die on your feet rather than grovel like a dog.
>>29545306
Weeb encounters of the Autistkind
>>29545298
Western society has offered you a huge list of rights and securities in your day-to-day life and has basically ensured that you and most other people under it can eat and sleep under a warm roof. Western society isn't in jeopardy because you can't get a girlfriend. You should count your blessings that you aren't homeless, poor as fuck, or a mistreated slave. By the way I'm a KHV so you can't just call me a normie to discredit your "muh sexuality" point. Even if your social life and emotional state sucks ass you still have it comparatively easy thanks to your hard earned guardian: western civilization.
>>29544962
Save it FROM the people who make it shit.
>>29545306
Before American occupation and the injection of democracy, Japan was just another warrior culture with clean buildings. Only nobles.lived well, and you only hear about those that lived well.
Western society flourished because we have allowed even the poor to write and read and they told their side of things, that is how we were able to improve upon everything.
We have so many authors that wrote stories of their suffering, in Japan all you heard about is how glorious the samurai were, you never hear about the robots of their past, so you are completely bias and uneducated.
>>29545298
The society that alienated you isn't Western at all. It's a bunch of liberal hippies that have white guilt and allow their base desires to control them (porn, casual sex, drugs, movies)
If you understood what the western society of old stood for you'd defend it, of course you are given lies so you believe the west is to blame.
>>29545484
>tfw the US should have teamed up with the Japs before the war and beaten the ruskies together
>>29545401
But that ship has already sailed, my friend.
>>29545190
>but what alternative would you prefer?
That's not my problem. It is not my responsibility to care, all I care about is that this current state ends.
>>29545178
You sound offended, and you didn't answer my question. Things have deteriorated to this point - why should young males fight for a society that hates us? Avoid the snarky comments next time when you reply again. I see no reason to fight to salvage the current state of affairs, and not a single person has been able to change my mind on this topic.
>>29544962
we shouldn't
western civilization is a meme
humans where made to do their own thing and fight for themselves
fuck sjw, fucj right wing, fuck left wing
they're all retarded
>>29545429
society has not "offered" these things to anyone
it extends them so that you don't get bored or upset and start wrecking up the place
shutting up and eating shit because you don't think you can get a better deal is one thing
trying to convince OTHER people to shut up and eat shit reduces both their bargaining power and your own at literally zero benefit to you or them
you are literally selling out your own species for the pleasure of seeing them get eaten. shit's evil man
>>29545426
why are you replying to yourself
>>29545511
>>29545298
>>29545268
You /pol/iticians just don't seem to get it.
Your idealized visions of "men being men" are from a time long gone, where men were "real men" because they lived in a patriarchal society that rewarded them for being one.
Those days are OVER, and we are where we are at right now. I find it insulting that so many /pol/iticians try to brainwash me and other guys into thinking that we can still be respected as men and that "the good old days" still exist. No they fucking do not. The only solution is for it all to come crumbling down.
>>29545401
>The people that make you feel like shit are the people that hate Western society.
>The reason you don't like this society is
because we aren't living in what could be considering Western society.
>Woman's suffrage, making boys have feel like they have no worth. Giving women control over us.
>This is exactly what Western society is trying to stop.
>>29545521
No it hasn't "friend" you're just a defeatist. If you want to play the victim and lay down go right the fuck ahead, you can live off the merits of others that desire change.
>>29545521
>That's not my problem.
If you're proposing the end of our current societal system then it IS your problem. It's your number one problem. If you plan on destroying everything we have and everything we fought for because you're convinced it's not working then you better have a great alternative to best it, or else you're nothing more than an anarchist.
>>29545549
I find it incredibly insulting that you think I'm from /pol/.
>>29545551
You have absolutely no idea how much I've struggled in all this. You're trying to convince me that the past still exists, that dem durr good ole days are still real, and they aren't. All these snarky posts and I still have not budged one iota on my position.
And do any traditionalist ideologues actually think that it's sustainable to have a society where feminism exists alongside men being "real men"? It isn't. Men were only real men in the past because they have the opportunities to do so, and I wish the traditionalist ideologues on this websites understood that.
Once again, why should I as a young white male care about western civilization? I need REASONS.
Culture, conciliation my ass. The only reaosn to do Cynthia is go maximum pleasure of out this existence. I don't care what happens to future generations or 'my' race.
>>29545513
Russia was still an ally.
The only reason we were fighting Germany was because England was fighting them, which in my opinion, shouldn't have been. But that is history, can't change it.
>>29545565
You're damn right I want an end to this.
Women being sluts and whores without repercussions, males being outcasted from western society, the economies getting worse, yeah, I do want it to end. The only solution traditionalists have is to abuse young men and try to shame them back into being "REAL MEN" so women can be comfy and not have to face the consequences of their stupidity.
>>29544962
Do you think muzzies will tolerate neetdom?
The same values that protect women taking slutty selfies also protect you shitposting on 4chan.
>>29545599
>Russia was still an ally
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
the west was always going to go to war with the soviets, it was inevitable. Japan was scared of its thrusts into the far east and its saboteurs in China. the US already knew its place as a global power was coming after europe fucked itself twice in 20 years.
it just turned out the inevitable war was a lot longer and slower than anyone predicted.
you must a huge fucking fag to get banned from /pol/
>>29545549
>You guys keep saying to fight for the right to be a man again
>we have all agreed Those days are over
>the current system is shit
>Yep let's keep on letting this shit show occur in its current direction, nothing we can do
>Dah patriarchy!!!!
Wow kill yourself anytime.
I think your vaguely-defined "western civilization" will be just fine with or without you. You are way overblowing your influence, I think. So, just calm your tits and enjoy the ride.
Alternatively, go live somewhere away from "western civilization" if you want. It's your right.
And what's all this about selfies? How does that factor in to saving society? Literally laughing if you think selfies are bringing down anything. It's just a thing people do sometimes.
>>29545589
This. I really don't understand why people care so much about what happens after they die. If western civilization did crumble, it wouldn't happen in my lifetime, so what does it matter? I just got a vasectomy recently and I'm ready to party til I die and then who gives a shit after that. Don't understand this paternal instinct some people seem to have towards society.
>>29545579
Holy fuck, NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT GOOD OLD DAYS STILL HAPPENING.
We are talking about bringing those says BACK. Nobody has said anything about it still being a thing. The only one in the delusion is you
>>29545534
The desire to die for something beyond yourself is an innately human trait.
Ask yourself if you would die for yourself moron.
>>29545603
The western population, which is roughly 50:50 gender ratio, is massive and always growing. This is literally impossible if males are "outcasted". There are a million things wrong with western civilization and you'd be right to point them out and say that they should be remedied but males aren't on the chopping block here. The feminism craze is out of hand and girls would rather fuck chad than us but that's not civilizations fault, that's how it's been since day one. At best some civilization ""fix"" might alter the social order resulting in some girl fucking you but she will still desire a life of sluttiness and fucking chad over a beta loser. Your problem has nothing to do with civilization, you're just useless on the social ladder.
>>29545655
Your apathy is your problem.
If you're so ready to die and be happy then why are you here. If you were so happy with your visectomy why are you here now.
>>29545521
>That's not my problem. It is not my responsibility to care, all I care about is that this current state ends.
That makes you worse than the SJWs. Passivity and a defeatist attitude.
>Things have deteriorated to this point - why should young males fight for a society that hates us?
Pathetic, weak little teenage piece of garbage. You think this trend is irreversible? You think the founding fathers of America had this in mind? If you knew anything about history in general, you'd know the extent to which a nation's values can be subject to radical and sudden change after important events. The media probably gives you the impression that the regressive left are a crushing majority, and yet Brexit just happened and Trump may or may not win.
Western Civilization is worth fighting for because it was built on the blood of lesser men. Things seem bleak with the current political climate, coupled with this hopelessly consumerist and shallow society we live in, but nothing would be worse than the death of Western society as a whole, because there's much more to it than you can see. America was founded on the principle of liberty and all men being equal, those are ideals worth dying for, although we have failed to stay true to them.
>>29544962
Oh, it's 'Ha ha I'm a super good man but society doesn't appreciate me. All women are sluts. Women and these civilization savers (silly guys, XD) want me to help them, but I won't. I was wronged by society too hard. Let them kneel, I won't help them, lol. I'm so edgy.' again.
Mgtow pls go
>>29545706
This is really the crux of the issue, there are too many people alive that shouldn't be.
Robots have already checked out of life. No point in getting us to have hope for something we never experienced.
>>29545746
I'm not MGTOW, and you sound like a snarky loser that is offended by this topic. The only edgester here is you, friendo. It's also telling how you specifically get very bitter about the me not "saving women" part. You revealed yourself too soon. I'm not going to help women, you just need to accept what you cannot change.
Try not to cut yourself on the edge.
>>29545706
That's another theory, but I disagree with it. Feminism has elevated women to a point where they get equality and special treatment, and it has thrown the social order out of whack.
>That makes you worse than the SJWs. Passivity and a defeatist attitude.
No it doesn't. That's you making an assumption off of incomplete information.
>Pathetic, weak little teenage piece of garbage. You think this trend is irreversible? You think the founding fathers of America had this in mind? If you knew anything about history in general, you'd know the extent to which a nation's values can be subject to radical and sudden change after important events. The media probably gives you the impression that the regressive left are a crushing majority, and yet Brexit just happened and Trump may or may not win.
I'm 24, and you sound like a bitter spergy grouch. This trend has only been picking up pace for decades now, and your pathetic shaming attempts won't work on me. The "right wing" too is full of demigod frauds; I've noticed how they, too, see males as disposable, and they do whatever they can to pedestalize females and let them be sluts and whores all they want to.
>Western Civilization is worth fighting for because it was built on the blood of lesser men. Things seem bleak with the current political climate, coupled with this hopelessly consumerist and shallow society we live in, but nothing would be worse than the death of Western society as a whole, because there's much more to it than you can see. America was founded on the principle of liberty and all men being equal, those are ideals worth dying for, although we have failed to stay true to them.
Men have always been disposable tools though. That has not changed one iota.
Not a single ideologue in this thread has been able to give me a valid reason why young males should even care anymore. Men are not equal, and women are valued more than men. Right-wingers have no problem with that.
>>29546510
Oh fuck. Most of this post applies to >>29545718
>>29546469
Is that all you can say? Why are so many people so BITTER here? All I'm getting is meme insults and anger directed towards me. The responses here just proved me right again - western society hates males, worships females, and young men are expected to take all this abuse and serve women at the end of the day because reasons.
>>29544962
How the fuck did you get banned from /pol/
Anyway, you have the true spirit of r9k. Nothing is worth doing anything.
>>29546537
That's all I'm going to dignify this bait with. Your base premise is totally acceptable, and in fact I agree. But here >>29545521
>That's not my problem. It is not my responsibility to care, all I care about is that this current state ends.
you lost me. You outed yourself as being a totally juvenile and self centered individual with no sense of forethought. So go ahead, cave Western Civilisation without a plan for what comes next. Enjoy starving to death in a pool of your own piss and shit while tribals burn down your mud hut. So I'll say it again, try not to cut yourself on the edge.
>>29544962
>so I can defend the right of young women
Women are subhuman scum. I don't know how long have you been on /pol/, but they're not about equal rights for women IN ANY WAY. The western civilization is crumbling due to the emancipation of women.
You've been shilled hard, lad.
>>29545521
You're not fighting for current Western society, you're fighting to bring back a better time where white males were respected.
>>29546510
>That's you making an assumption off of incomplete information.
it doesn't take a genius to know that thousands of men and women around the world are fighting for what they believe in. Some of them get their way, a lot of them don't, but the bottom line is that people with your attitude accomplish nothing and nothing good ever comes off of it.
> This trend has only been picking up pace for decades now, and your pathetic shaming attempts won't work on me. The "right wing" too is full of demigod frauds; I've noticed how they, too, see males as disposable, and they do whatever they can to pedestalize females and let them be sluts and whores all they want to.
Decades are nothing. Decades cannot undo what's been set in motion for centuries. We don't live in "special" times, ideas come and go, same old same old. And the right-wingers put women on a pedestal because they don't have a choice in the current political climate, otherwise they would have no chance of getting elected and shift the moral values of the people in their favor by attrition.
>Men have always been disposable tools though. That has not changed one iota.
Men are in power, other men are dying in mineshafts. What more do you want? Men and women cannot and should not be treated as equals. They have had roles for good reasons. You could argue that before the sexual liberation, women were baby-making babies and slaves who never had a choice but to raise children. People today think it's fucked up, but they don't see the benefits of it
>Not a single ideologue in this thread has been able to give me a valid reason why young males should even care anymore.
If you can't see that men are seen as disposable in every culture imaginable, you're shortsighted. If you can't see the good in Western Civilization, even through the current problems we're facing, you're retarded.
cont.
>>29546510
cont.
Young men should care (and they do) because if they don't, things are only going to get worse with time and the work of our ancestors would be undone. If you don't think that's a valid reason, you're a selfish, weak little prick and had you been born a thousand years back, you would not have made it to 24
And again, it's pathetic that you think Western Civilization should be destroyed for a reason that applies to all of humanity, ignoring everything the West has accomplished. People HAVE given you reason to care, you are just incapable of seeing it because nihilism and anger are clouding your judgement
>>29546749
>>29546834
Pretty much exactly this.
/thread
>>29546627
You sound very bitter though. You're not a cool Internet guy because you use the 'edgy' meme from 2014.
I will be glad to see western civilization burn down. Why should I capitulate to you and others? Why cant you all capitulate to me? You've given me no reason to change my opinion, neither has anybody else. Accept what you cannot change.
>>29546749
>>29546834
Right. Well, I'll reply to everything you said in general.
Yes, every culture sees men as disposable, but western civilization is the only culture where men are hated THIS much, where women are "equal" to us yet they get special treatment. Women get feminism and chivalry, men just get hatred and impossible societal expectations of them.
Right-wingers are frauds and demigods, they could set an example and "do the right thing", but they don't. Funny how everyone has (failed) in using shaming tactics and bitterness here on me, yet even the most extreme hardcore right-wingers pretty much agree with the status quo, see men as disposable and do their best to let women be sluts and whores at EVERY opportunity. They cheer it on, as well. And these people are supposed to be the revivalists of the west? Give me a fucking break. Too much has changed at this point, and I want it all to end. I've thought this way for years, a bunch of memesters and angry sluts on 4chan won't change my mind. They can't.
People have not given me a reason to care. Me and other guys are expected to "MAN UP" and sacrifice ourselves for a society that hates us, while women never lose one single iota of their pedestalized privileges. I'm not a fan of roleplaying "alpha male" shit. Men in the past made those sacrifices because they were forced to, but they got rewarded for it.
I hope you traditionalist faggots get angry at me saying this.
>>29547316
>Yes, every culture sees men as disposable, but western civilization is the only culture where men are hated THIS much
This is currently part of the biggest issue we're facing. Ever since the sexual liberation (which only happened 50 years ago), pic related has been happening AND women are more career-oriented. This is why birthrates in the west are catastrophic and we have to rely on immigration to increase our population. With time, this will generate more crime, more poverty and the democrats would only keep getting reelected. People are aware of this.
You're the only memester here. My point about political correctness on the right-wing's side still stands, you just refuse to acknowledge it. History proves that a nation's ideologies and norms can change radically and suddenly through important events, elections, journalism, conflicts and revolutions. We have the internet now; which makes spreading ideas only easier. We are far from hopeless and you refuse to see it.
There's not a shred of rationality in your posts anymore. You're just so frustrated and close-minded that you can't see the good in the West and what can be changed in the future
>>29547529
There is plenty of rationality in my posts, you are just upset by what I'm saying here.
You basically ignored everything I said and went off on your own tangent. The people that are supposed to be the "saviors of civilization" are contributing to the problem, you moron. You call me close-minded just because I'm repelling all the little meme insults and meme arguments the 4chan kids are throwing at me. No real arguments have even been presented to me here, most of it was personal attacks and denial.
It's almost criminal what a joke this is - the people that represent "TRADITION" are enabling women to be sluts and whores and cheering it on, and making more young men opt out of society.
>>29544962
Just do drugs fuck chicks and look cool. Those are the three most important hinge to having a happy life. I'm serious.
>>29547696
No, you're the one who ignored what I said about the right-wingers.
>the right-wingers put women on a pedestal because they don't have a choice in the current political climate, otherwise they would have no chance of getting elected and shift the moral values of the people in their favor by attrition.
This is what I said and you straight-up ignored it because it's the truth. Not that it matters what today's right-wing politicians think, because it's impossible to predict where a nation will be, ideologically, in say 200 years.
And again, you want the most developed countries in the world to be destroyed because an issue we've been having for less than a century. You can't even see the potential of humanity to break away from its animalistic urges and instincts (such as putting women on a pedestal and obsessing over sex) through scientific and technological advancements. You don't give a fuck about the thousands of years of knowledge, philosophy and technological advancement the West has brought to the table. Somehow, to you, the only difference between the West and fucking Mozambique, is how men are treated.
Three things must happen for the West to be saved:
1. Mass immigration must be stopped
2. Whites must start reproducing more
3. Cultural Marxism must be rejected
Unfortunately, I see none of those things happening. We're not too far gone yet to prevent civilizational collapse within the next couple of generations, but we're moving rapidly toward that point.
>>29544962
Fuck off. We're not your back up board. Try b
>>29544962
I like how /pol/ is always talking about muh western civilization and the achievements of the Greeks, Romans, British, etc then talking shit about them the next thread calling them shitskins, subhumans, cuckolds, claiming white superiority over them, undermining their achievements and whatever else lmao
Sheer and utter cancer.
>SOME SAY THE END IS NEAR
>SOME SAY WE'LL SEE ARMAGEDDON SOON
>>29547832
You're just another "TRADITIONALIST" piece of shit demigod fraud. See this guy? >>29547714
I disagree with him, but I have more respect for people like him these days, as opposed to people like you. Guys like that mostly leave me alone, and support my right to do what I want. People like YOU try to force me back into a role of servitude for women. You see me as a disposable tool and you are bitter that I refuse to do your bidding.
And yes, right-wing scum do have a choice. They've gone way too far at this point. Appeasing women on a shallow political basis is one thing, constantly abusing men and forcing them into their gender role while allowing women to be sluts and whores with no consequences is another. Western society hates men, and you know it, despite your kicking and screaming otherwise.
I await your next reply, where you will once again fail to convince me of anything. The "saviors of the west" are phonies.
>>29547696
>personal attacks and denial.
You forgot historical evidence, logic, facts and a basic understanding of politics (which you lack)
>>29546432
>snarky loser
>offended
>bitter
0/10
>>29548177
You're wrong though. He (you) is trying very hard to pull out all the stops, and he's simply denying my premise. But go ahead, keep believing the right-wing 4chan circlejerk you've all carefully crafted for each other over the past few years. We live in a "TRADITIONAL SOCIETY", right little dudebro?
>>29548182
I was serious, and it made you reply, so go commit suicide.
>>29548173
>You're just another "TRADITIONALIST" piece of shit demigod fraud
Look who's resorting to personal attacks and memes now.
>People like YOU try to force me back into a role of servitude for women. You see me as a disposable tool and you are bitter that I refuse to do your bidding.
And this shows that you haven't read a fucking thing I wrote.
My arguments are based on logic, facts and historical evidence. All you've said has been nothing but rhetorical statements, emotions and a piss-poor understanding of politics. You don't even have a solution to the West's problems, you useless tool.
And once again, you completely ignore my point about the West's accomplishments and you make it all about you and what you expect out of society.
You made this thread asking why you should care about what happens to the West. With your attitude and how self-centered you are, you have no reason to care about humanity as a whole.
Truth is, the West is going to change because it's the natural order of things. Feminism will be damaged if not destroyed. You may or may not live to see the West become better, but if you don't, it'll be your fault, as well as everyone else who decided to lay down and surrender.
>>29546432
I agree with you. Today's "traditionalists" ignore the value of celibacy, and don't realize that at this degenerate time in history celibate men are actually preferable to enabling sluts. "muh birthrates" is a meme.
Most great traditionalist philosophers were celibate, and for a reason. Hell even the Bible itself says in the end days God's most treasured people are celibate virgin men
>>29546834
I agree with you almost completely except for a few points.
Anger motivates me more than anything else. It's all that keeps me going these days. Don't say anger clouds people's judgement, when in our time happiness and caustic levels of optimism are the real culprits for deluding people's thinking.
I think the main problem facing our society is that too many low IQ, trendy, smiley idiots with defective survival instincts have been brought into this world and since they make up the masses and the masses make up the majority of public opinion, our nation and the west as a whole is sliding into decay.
These idiotic sheep people are easily tricked, easily lead, and easily exploited. And since they are so domesticated and cowardly they will never retaliate against their slave masters. This leaves those of us at an economic disadvantage who do have some common sense powerless.
I want society to collapse so that these fucking trendy retards can die in droves.
>>29548612
The fact that people are aware of this decay proves that it will take centuries until humanity turns into some Orwellian nightmare, if it happens at all. All empires eventually fall, surely this will happen to the current superpowers as well and the cycle will continue
Have to admit you have a point. Not sure what MAGA will accomplish, since America's "greatness" is what led to the current situation anyway. Things will decay again and again in the same fashion.
>>29548383
I've been saying the same things for a while here now. Why do you have to keep telling yourself how much "facts, logic and evidence" you have? You sound insecure.
>All you've said has been nothing but rhetorical statements, emotions and a piss-poor understanding of politics. You don't even have a solution to the West's problems, you useless tool.
I asked for a reason to care about the west and you didn't give me any, neither did anyone else here, you bitter sperg.
The rest of your post is just more useless shaming tactics, and I am genuinely enjoying seeing you get this upset. I want the west to crumble, and nothing you say can change my mind. All you've done is deny my premise and force empty platitudes of idealism on me. You're a stupid sperg.
>>29548425
That's because right-wingers in this day and age are all frauds. They pretend to be the saviors of the west but they contribute even worse to the problem, then turn around and expect men like me to make sacrifices, then they get mad when I refuse.
>>29548253
You have no premise to speak of, you're the one in denial. He provides arguments, you say "NO FUCK OFF LOOK AROUND YOU EVERYTHING IS SHITTY"
Know why nobody except you thinks the West is doomed? What's more likely, that you're intellectually superior to everyone or that you alone, are retarded and edgy?
>>29548920
>I asked for a reason to care about the west and you didn't give me any
you sure about that?
>Young men should care (and they do) because if they don't, things are only going to get worse with time and the work of our ancestors would be undone
> History proves that a nation's ideologies and norms can change radically and suddenly through important events, elections, journalism, conflicts and revolutions. We have the internet now; which makes spreading ideas only easier
> the potential of humanity to break away from its animalistic urges and instincts (such as putting women on a pedestal and obsessing over sex) through scientific and technological advancements.
And it still hasn't occurred to you that people like you didn't build the West. If everyone were like you, the human race would be extinct already, but you'd like that, wouldn't you?
I guess this is my fault. I shouldn't have expected you to be educated on human history and the rise and fall of societies.
I shouldn't have expected you to understand that the West is a concept greater than you could ever hope to be.
>nothing you say can change my mind
makes me wonder why you made this thread
>>29548920
>I want the west to crumble
>You're a stupid sperg
Oh the irony
>>29549167
People like him didn't build the west,. but celibate people did. "traditionalists" who only value breeding and marriage but don't realize that the West was at its greatest when it the artistic, cultural and intellectual achievements were produced by celibate monastics, NOT laypeople who had lots of kids are just flat out wrong.
And we're far past the point where reproduction and "serving society" is of any value as opposed to preserving your own morality, even if it means leaving the modern world behind and not having kids.
>>29544962
>I'm banned from /pol/ again.
Then wait out your ban.
>whestern civilization = dumb whores
You dont know a lot about the place you live, dont you?
>>29548383
>lay down
Lie*
You lay SOMETHING down.
You LIE down.
Transitive and intransitive verbs. Learn them.
>>29549242
Celibate people contributed to the West's development, but it still wouldn't have happened without a stable economy and a working class. These two things are going to suffer in the coming decades because of the issues we're facing. So doing nothing would not help at all. You're stating the obvious here when you say that exclusively popping out babies is not doing the world any favors
If you see nothing wrong with all our art, technology, architecture, history and culture being destroyed by hordes of illiterate sand people then no, there is no point to saving western civilization
>>29549203
Oh no, looks like another sperg is upset!
>you sure about that?
Yes I am, you arrogant little sperg. No valid reasons anyway, just you proclaiming what a traditional intellectual you are. I'd tell you to tip your little fedora, but I don't want to use the fedora meme here, it will trigger the 4chan spergs too much. They don't like their own memes being accurately used against them.
>If everyone were like you, the human race would be extinct already, but you'd like that, wouldn't you?
That's debatable. Western civilization is degenerate, but I'm still not entirely sure if I want that. I would never get it, anyway - if humanity ever will die out, it will be the decision of a force far greater, far more powerful than me.
>I guess this is my fault. I shouldn't have expected you to be educated on human history and the rise and fall of societies.
You don't seem to understand that everything moves in a cycle, and the current status quo, especially regarding men and women, is unsustainable. Oh no - your only solution is for us all to "MAN UP", and submit to women even more.
>makes me wonder why you made this thread
So I could argue with you and people like you, and tell you all what piece of shit frauds you are., and then watch as you try to force me as a man to submit to women and validate a society which hates me. It happens in every thread like this - like clockwork.
>And it still hasn't occurred to you that people like you didn't build the West
And it still hasn't occurred to you, because you're stupid, that the west's glory days were in a different era, and men back then contributed because there was incentive, and they were rewarded and appreciated for doing so. Now, even the most hardcore right-wingers that claim to be saviors of the west are simply frauds. I don't even bother mentioning the Left, because the Left is very honest about their intent to destroy things.
>>29549793
Oh for fuck sakes. I get so carried away in my own thoughts that I fucked up the post again. Most of this applies to >>29549167
>>29544962
>What is the point of "saving western civilization"? So I, as a young male, can "save" a society that hates me?
Please note that Western Civilization is the one who gave you internet, comet landing, life expectation way over 40, classical music, and so on.
Wars, faggotry, sluttiness, nutrition imbalances, alcohol, porn, drugs and so on, are found in every population of every epoch.
>>29544981
kabooom!!!
(note: explosives were not invented by muslims)
>>29545178
>Africans couldn't do it (and never will). Arabs couldn't do it. It was OUR white and far-east asian ancestors who developed everything of value on this planet--- science, medicine, mathematics, philosophy, art, law, ethics, architecture, etc. Everything that we take for granted is a result of Western Civilization.
Also note that Chinese space exploration is being done copying/buying Western Civilization scientific advancements.
>>29549793
And you just ignored the reasons I listed of course. I can only assume that what qualifies as a valid reason is something along the lines of "if you do this, things will immediately turn around and you'll get all the bitches"
>You don't seem to understand that everything moves in a cycle, and the current status quo, especially regarding men and women, is unsustainable
That's what I've been saying this entire time, you braindead piece of shit. You only got the idea that I'm one of those pussy-whipped SJWs because I don't agree with you on another point and your reading comprehension is fucking shameful
>the Left is very honest about their intent to destroy things.
Absolutely not, a large amount of people still can't see that they are acting sanctimonious to keep their votes.
> I'd tell you to tip your little fedora, but I don't want to use the fedora meme here, it will trigger the 4chan spergs too much. They don't like their own memes being accurately used against them.
The "fedora" insult is used because it's a parody of people who are autistic, because autistic people tend to have odd opinions. You're the one here who's a contrarian with an unpopular opinion, so that would make you the fedora sperg.
>So I could argue with you and people like you, and tell you all what piece of shit frauds you are
So instead of an actual discussion, you wanted to get attention. You should have said so earlier.
>>29549824
>thoughts
no thoughts to speak of, only anger, self-entitlement and nihilism. The recipe for failure and suicide.
>>29549889
>You will neve be a goat living the God-King goat life touring around the middle east and getting fucked in the ass
>>29544962
What we have today isn't Western civilzation, what we have today is a monstrosity that should be destroyed, and you're right to think so.
True western civilization is hinged on the preservation of the family, the protection of the weak, innovation, discovery, and social cohesion.
All of which has been destroyed by fucking Kikes.
>>29544962
If you save the civilization, it won't hate you anymore.
Try to remember that women don't have minds of their own. They believe whatever the dominant power in their lives tells them to believe.
If you become that dominant power, they'll love you again.
>>29545534
yea, yea, a meme, yea.
still waiting for an african Beethoven, an arab Paganini, an aboriginal Schubert...
>tfw you will never lead a serious alt-right political party
>tfw you will never use your smooth-talking communication skills to rouse white males into rising up and becoming politically active
>tfw you will never dethrone the Jewish overlords with your master plan
>tfw you will never restore the Great American way of life
>tfw you will never save the United States of America
>tfw it's really happening.
>>29550016
>And you just ignored the reasons I listed of course. I can only assume that what qualifies as a valid reason is something along the lines of "if you do this, things will immediately turn around and you'll get all the bitches"
I didn't ignore your reasons; your reasons are invalid. And your assumption is false.
>That's what I've been saying this entire time, you braindead piece of shit. You only got the idea that I'm one of those pussy-whipped SJWs because I don't agree with you on another point and your reading comprehension is fucking shameful
Woah, calm down there you bitter autistic sperg. I never thought you were an SJW, I do think you're a traditionalist fraud though.
>Absolutely not, a large amount of people still can't see that they are acting sanctimonious to keep their votes.
False. It's very easy to see through the facade. The Left does not claim to be the saviors of civilization; rather, they want something "new".
>The "fedora" insult is used because it's a parody of people who are autistic, because autistic people tend to have odd opinions. You're the one here who's a contrarian with an unpopular opinion, so that would make you the fedora sperg.
Holy projection batman. All I'm saying in this thread is that western civilization is disgusting and worthless, and there is no incentive for males to save it, and you are such an autistic loser that you just can't accept that someone disagrees with big important YOU. Grow a pair you little faggot crybaby, I mentioned the fedora meme because you obviously see yourself as some intellectual that you are obviously not.
>So instead of an actual discussion, you wanted to get attention. You should have said so earlier.
I wanted to make a statement and then see people like you get bitter about it, and you've more than satisfied me, you bitter autistic spergy piece of traditionalist trash.
>>29546676
>Women are subhuman scum
ewwww, Ahmed, don't repeat Abdul speeches every time.
The actual "scum" thing is the fabricated misunderstanding about "equal rights".
>>29546676
You're wrong though. /pol/ CONSTANTLY talks about how young males have a duty to "MAN UP", marry sluts and whores, and perform our so called requirement to society. They never shut up about it, ever.
People saying "HURRR I NEVER SEE THAT" and denying the premise altogether does not mean it's false. /pol/ is playing right into the hands of slut culture and I'm not sure they even realize it.
Its easy to get a white gf, just go to church and pretend to be religious and shit, literally what I did, now she loves my brown cock
>>29547878
>2. Whites must start reproducing more
it will only happen when sluttiness won't be a Western Value anymore... and when having a family will be again a Western Value.
>>29550211
>I didn't ignore your reasons; your reasons are invalid. And your assumption is false.
Then enlighten as to what you think would be a valid reason
> I never thought you were an SJW, I do think you're a traditionalist fraud though.
And you're still wrong. You couldn't even see I was against the idea of female favoritism
>False. It's very easy to see through the facade. The Left does not claim to be the saviors of civilization; rather, they want something "new".
Did you not hear about the britcucks crying about how "hate" won when brexit was passed? I'm tired of your hearing your rhetoric. You don't have a clue how politics work. The Left would never benefit from being honest, same with the Right.
> you just can't accept that someone disagrees with big important YOU.
>says "nothing you say will ever convince me
And there is more intellectual merit in using historical evidence and logic than there is in using emotions and rhetoric like you have this entire time.
>you bitter autistic spergy piece of traditionalist trash.
lol, seems I've touched a nerve. It's funny that you call someone else bitter, while you're the one who wants all of Europe, North America and most of Oceania to "crumble". And you called me an idealist (which I'm not)
>>29545419
You are wrong, all the great men of our past did not like what they saw, and attempted change. Women go with the flow and adapt too what's popular.
>>29550331
Perfect example of the kind of shit you're talking about OP. I agree with you 100%
>>78849485
>>29550641
>>/pol/78849485
>>29550458
>Then enlighten as to what you think would be a valid reason
At this point? There are no valid reasons, since people like you don't want there to be.
>And you're still wrong. You couldn't even see I was against the idea of female favoritism
You advocate men to "MAN UP" and sacrifice everything while women lose absolutely none of their rights and privileges. So no, you're wrong.
>Did you not hear about the britcucks crying about how "hate" won when brexit was passed? I'm tired of your hearing your rhetoric. You don't have a clue how politics work. The Left would never benefit from being honest, same with the Right.
Nobody is forcing you to talk with me except yourself, you bitter sperg. The Left is far more honest compared to the right-wing. Even look at this thread - you've lied the entire time. You're another demigod that makes false claims and even falser promises. You allow women to be sluts and whores, you hate men, and at the end of it all, you see no contradiction or double standards in how you claim to be traditional yet you validate the modern status quo. Right-wingers are frauds.
>And there is more intellectual merit in using historical evidence and logic than there is in using emotions and rhetoric like you have this entire time.
Adjust your fedora. I'm right and you're wrong, Mr. Intellectual Tipper. I hope you know that you have only made me strengthen my position even more. I'm not going to save a society that hates me and other men, and from the looks of it, more and more men are opting out, and it's great. Wallow in your despair.
>lol, seems I've touched a nerve. It's funny that you call someone else bitter, while you're the one who wants all of Europe, North America and most of Oceania to "crumble". And you called me an idealist (which I'm not)
How cute now you're trying to steal my insults. Yes I want the west to crumble. You are an idealist since everything you are saying here is just regurgitation of 4chan right-wing garbage.
>>29547316
>I will be glad to see western civilization burn down. Why should I capitulate to you and others? Why cant you all capitulate to me? You've given me no reason to change my opinion, neither has anybody else. Accept what you cannot change.
You literally repeat this over and over when people have given you plenty of reasons. Fuck I wish I could punch you in the face, you idiotic child.
I can't wait until Islam takes over the west and show these dhimmi kaffir their utopia multicultural society that they dreamed of. IF they think they are oppressed now then I can't wait for the future. If you want to preserve this farce of society called contemporary western civilization then go fuck yourself cuck.
>>29550719
>You advocate men to "MAN UP" and sacrifice everything while women lose absolutely none of their rights and privileges.
That's incorrect. You're the only one who ever used the expression "MAN UP". You're just projecting what /pol/ thinks on me only because I disagree with you on another point.
>you validate the modern status quo.
I do not because it is unsustainable like you've said. You are incredibly confused and cannot read.
>I'm not going to save a society that hates me and other men
Saving it would be to change it so that men are not abused and women are not put on a pedestal. The first step towards that is to take away women's sexual freedom, this would cause a decrease in promiscuity as a whole. Why in the world would you not want that?
>waaaah right-wing politicians can't change the world overnight!! I don't understand the word attrition!! FUCKING FRAUDS
>>29550719
>At this point? There are no valid reasons, since people like you don't want there to be.
What the fuck does that mean? You're the one who doesn't want to be convinced that the West should be saved, not me. Again, tell me what reasons would be valid in your eyes?
>>29550719
>I'm right and you're wrong, Mr. Intellectual Tipper
Anime presents an ideal that was built around Western ideals with Eastern values, a perfect Utopia free of Jewish brainwashing. Funny thing is people will call it autistic or something but Autism is the future, we might be a minority now but as more and more men give up on 3D technological and biological advances will bring forth the Waifu age, the key is to vote for Trump which will only cause more unrest within all political spectrums and will lead to what the left is trying to fight: segregation. They are already doing this with places like Commiefornia, so maybe we need to find a place for all of us to congregate, outside of the USA preferably.
>>29550983
Nice projection, bro. Obviously that one little snippet triggered you so much. I touched a nerve again, I see.
>>29550753
You don't have the balls to even try to punch anyone in the face. You're just another bitter SPERG that is angry because I'm a male and I'm rejecting all the autistically idiotic "reasons" people here are giving me. Kill yourself!
>>29550897
>That's incorrect. You're the only one who ever used the expression "MAN UP". You're just projecting what /pol/ thinks on me only because I disagree with you on another point.
Semantics. You said it numerous times in this thread, just in different ways. You are basically /pol/ incarnate.
>I do not because it is unsustainable like you've said. You are incredibly confused and cannot read.
You're a retard, and your denial does not surprise me, lel. You literally do exactly what I said then you deny it, that's what you've been doing this whole thread.
>Saving it would be to change it so that men are not abused and women are not put on a pedestal. The first step towards that is to take away women's sexual freedom, this would cause a decrease in promiscuity as a whole. Why in the world would you not want that?
But I've already explained to your thick fat autistic skull that it doesn't work that way. We are too set in our ways, and even the most hardcore right-wingers hate males and do their best to allow women to be sluts and whores.
Let me ask you, do you legitimately think that your sperging out here is going to achieve anything? I assume you keep replying because your fragile ego needs the last word, but there is a possibility that you still think you can convert me into a disposable male slave.
>>29550935
Can you not read? RETARD. Moron! You can't change my mind about anything, but my point was that the people who claim to be saving the west are frauds that only want men to be disposable slaves to women. They hate men. You have horrible reading comprehension, and I hope you kill yourself soon.
Original comment, reposting because greentext mistakes.
>>29551038
>still thinks I advocate MAN UP
What I said is that men and women should not be treated as equals. By that I meant we shouldn't hold either of them to the same standards, neither should be more "enslaved" than the other.
>You literally do exactly what I said then you deny it, that's what you've been doing this whole thread.
No, you only just realized that I only disagree that the West shouldn't be saved, and you're so profoundly retarded that you think I changed my mind during this discussion. Why in the world would I be dishonest about my opinion, like I was some politician pushing an agenda?
>But I've already explained to your thick fat autistic skull that it doesn't work that way. We are too set in our ways
You haven't explained shit and you don't have the slightest amount of evidence or logical arguments proving that. I explained to you many times that it's journalism, important events, conflicts and revolutions that change the world more than politicians do most of the time.
>even the most hardcore right-wingers hate males and do their best to allow women to be sluts and whores.
They're either bought out by Democrats or trying to be PC to get elected, you hopeless retard. And do you really think you can say every politician on that part of the political spectrum is exactly that way and always will be? I'm thinking that you might, because you've already proven that you have as much knowledge of politics as some 16 year old nigger
>FRAUDS
ATTRITION
>You have horrible reading comprehension
"How cute now you're trying to steal my insults."
>>29551077
I can assure you that I would punch you in the face if you were spouted all this retarded bullshit in front of me and no one else was around
>>29551077
>Can you not read? RETARD. Moron! You can't change my mind about anything, but my point was that the people who claim to be saving the west are frauds that only want men to be disposable slaves to women. They hate men. You have horrible reading comprehension, and I hope you kill yourself soon.
You're still avoiding the question. Pussy.
MGTOW is the light.
If you want the world to appreciate the white man, you have to show them why the white man succeeded in the first place. Easiest way to do that- just show them a world without you. They'll come crawling back.
>>29545128
The fact that our civilization is still flawed should not erase the massive advantages and improvements of life western civilization has brought from medicine, to food production and access to information. We are living in the most peaceful free time in the history of our species thanks to western civilization.
>>29551191
meant for >>29551077 of course
original
>>29551239
No you wouldn't. You're a coward. You're so pathetic - male refusing to be a disposable slave makes you angry. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Of course you'd only think of trying it when nobody else is around - then I'd rule you to the ground, spit in your face, and make you look like the pathetic ass that you really are.
>>29551297
I already answered the question, you just can't accept it because you are the real pussy. How ironic.
>>29551191
>What I said is that men and women should not be treated as equals.
Hah, nice backtracking of your "argument" you bitter sperg, You said that men should be disposable and submit to women, and that women should not lose any of their rights or privileges. Women good, men bad.
>No, you only just realized that I only disagree that the West shouldn't be saved, and you're so profoundly retarded that you think I changed my mind during this discussion
More bitterness I see. You are like a child stomping your feet right now. What a fedora tipping loser you are, You have been dishonest this entire time - you are literally a demigod fraud just for taking the position that you do, you autistic little sperg.
>You haven't explained shit and you don't have the slightest amount of evidence or logical arguments proving that
More fedora tipping, I see. Your fragile ego just wants the last word, and you just keep repeating this "HURRRRR I'M SO SMART HURRR" point over and over again. TIP that fedora, bud!
>They're either bought out by Democrats or trying to be PC to get elected, you hopeless retard. And do you really think you can say every politician on that part of the political spectrum is exactly that way and always will be? I'm thinking that you might, because you've already proven that you have as much knowledge of politics as some 16 year old nigger
Holy autism, batman. You can't make even an inch of progress here so your bitterness just keeps spewing out. You have no ACTUAL argument here, sperg.
Salty and bitter/10.
>>29552185
Your answer was that there is no valid reason "because people don't want there to be". Great job, dumbass.
>>29552226
It seems like I am arguing with one sperg pretending to be multiple people.
What I meant, retard, was that there is no valid reason because people do not WANT there to be, in the sense that even the most hardcore right-wingers let women be sluts and whores with no consequences, and they give men no reason to opt in to society.
No force in existence wants there to be a solution that involves actually "putting women in their place". Nobody wants to actually fight degeneracy at all. The people that say they do are the same people making it even worse.
I am proud of myself for making so many traditionalist 4chan spergs upset in this thread.
are you guys here for real? you'd go and follow one of the most backwards oppresive religions/ideologies left in the world that literally strip you from basic freedom like listening to music or drinking alcohol because you were bullied at school?
you guys really are retards after all
>>29545264
>alt rite r dumb
not an argument.
>>29552185
>Hah, nice backtracking of your "argument" you bitter sperg, You said that men should be disposable and submit to women, and that women should not lose any of their rights or privileges. Women good, men bad.
Quote me. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.
>Holy autism, batman. You can't make even an inch of progress here so your bitterness just keeps spewing out. You have no ACTUAL argument here, sperg
I could say the exact same thing about what you say. Except I'd be right, because I am. I disproved your theory that all right-wingers hate men, you can't even come up with a retort because insults are all you have left at this point.
This reply is the worst one you've written so far because literally all it is "bitter sperg autist fedora". You're ignoring my point about attrition and what really change the world (important events > politicians)
Also you never responded to a paragraph on >>29546749
>
it doesn't take a genius to know that thousands of men and women around the world are fighting for what they believe in. Some of them get their way, a lot of them don't, but the bottom line is that people with your attitude accomplish nothing and nothing good ever comes off of it.
you never responded to this because you know you can't deny it. Ultimately, your attitude would be the only reason the West can't be saved
>>29552366
I am willing to watch western civilization crumble and burn, yes. It disgusts me how degenerate, pro-female and anti-male the west is.
Why do so many people expect disaffected males to defend the same people that harmed them? No. Revenge comes first, and I'm not going to let any loser on 4chan tell me what to do.
>>29552314
I asked you what you thought would be a valid reason to save the West, nothing about solutions, nothing about what other people want. I asked about YOU. YOUR OPINION. You're changing the subject again because you're a little bitch and won't answer the question.
What would be a good reason to save the west?
>>29552413
>Revenge comes first
oh shit boys it's Lepine 2.0!
>>29552384
>Quote me. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.
Your entire argument has been "HURR DURR YOU HAVE TO OPT IN BECAUSE I SAY SO AND BECAUSE REASONS". You're a bitter loser autistic spergy fedora tipper. I'm insulting you because you're the most arrogant loser I've seen on 4chan in a while, and that's saying something. Your autistic mind actually thinks that I respect you our your subjective opinions enough to let you sway me in any way, as if I haven't heard all of this male shaming garbage before.
>Except I'd be right, because I am
TIPS FEDORA!
>I disproved your theory that all right-wingers hate men
No you didn't. Your narrative was that men should make all the sacrifices and that women should be free of consequences. You disproved nothing, you wannabe intellectual.
>you can't even come up with a retort because insults are all you have left at this point.
The most ironic statement in this thread, coming from a butthurt fedora tipping neckbeard wannabe intellectual like you who simply can't accept that I can't take you seriously. This is entertainment for me. You must be a popular guy in the Youtube comment section.
>you never responded to this because you know you can't deny it. Ultimately, your attitude would be the only reason the West can't be saved
No, the west is in a state now where it has fallen victim to what every other civilization has - arrogance, greed, degeneracy, the pedestalization of women. Your empty platitudes of heroism are meaningless, and I don't feel the need to reply to every one of your fedora-esque statements.
>>29552413
and why do you think Islam would treat you any better? you're useless to them too.
they take retards like you, recruit them to the IS and use people like you for suicide bombings because you mean nothing to them
do you think a islamic culture would guarantee you a better life than the western one? it wouldn't and it just shows how dumb and blind you are. it's good that people like you have zero impact on the world
there will be no "fall of the western civilization" you idiot, you're just looking for revenge at the stacy that ignored you at school or the chad that bullied you for being a faggot. grow a pair and stop giving these people so much attention in your life. your life isn't shit because of the western world or whatever you're blaming, your life is shit because you're a shitty person just like everyone browsing this board including myself
>>29552451
I've answered you plenty of times, you wannabe tough guy. Stop with the fedora tipping for at least 5 minutes.
The only good reason to save the west would be a system where males are guaranteed to be respected once again, women are brought back into their roles, and degeneracy is reduced. I know you're going to reply and say "HURRR BUT WE HAVE THAT ALREADY", but we don't. The people claiming to work towards that are frauds.
>>29552509
Oh my god. What a great 4chan reply. You got me. You are such a badass 4chan poster. So much emotion going on right now.
>>29552512
LOL you didn't even quote me. You're in denial because you don't want to seem like an idiot, but I''ve been anti-feminism this entire time and nothing you say will change that. I should know what I said, don't you think? Or you can actually copy and paste a sentence I said that suggested I was advocating "MAN UP SUBMIT TO WOMEN"
>The most ironic statement in this thread
Look at the post you're replying to. I don't see any insults in it. I see about 20 insults in the last posts you've written. What do you think it means? To me it sounds like you're insecure and paranoid
>No, the west is in a state now where it has fallen victim to what every other civilization has - arrogance, greed, degeneracy, the pedestalization of women.
And you're totally not arrogant and selfish. Oh and the women being forced into marriage and stoned to death in the Middle East? Totally privileged.
>>29544962
lol i only come here when I'm banned from pol too
>>29552553
>I know you're going to reply and say "HURRR BUT WE HAVE THAT ALREADY", but we don't
You're so paranoid you think you know what people think or will say in advance. You spent too much time on /pol/
You're also really naive if you think only the Republican party can possibly turn things around. Hundreds of years ago, women used to think they would never have sexual freedom for the same reasons you said earlier, "we are too set in our ways". Look where they are now. Laughing at us, stepping on us and shaming us
>>29544962
You cannot save western civilization. You can save yourself. Become a monk of sorts. Educate yourself, better yourself, and live your life by the ideals that you value.
The whole shit show is crashing down, there's nothing you can do but live a just and virtuous life for your own self fulfillment.
>>29552553
You're in no position to call someone a "wannabe toughguy". Everything you use as an insult, you're guilty of yourself (copying other insults, being a tough guy, being edgy, making fedora sperg statements)
>>29552720
>>29552553
Also, this is the first time you actually answered the question and it was about time.
>>29552512
Look at this post I wrote 5 hours ago >>29547529
I was arguing that feminism is destroying the west, and here you are still accusing me of being an SJW
>>29552652
You're using my insults again. Just clam down you sperg. You and others advocated that I, as a man in western society, "MAN UP" and make all the sacrifices, and you not once advocated taking away any rights or privileges from women. That is the narrative here.
>I see about 20 insults in the last posts you've written. What do you think it means?
Are you aware of how many times you have insulted me? But oh no, that is valid because you are you, right? You seem to have an awfully thin skin here, don't complain about me insulting you when you and numerous other people did the same to me.
>And you're totally not arrogant and selfish. Oh and the women being forced into marriage and stoned to death in the Middle East? Totally privileged.
What in the flying fuck do the women in the middle east have to do with me? You only think I'm arrogant and selfish because I disagree with your cool, edgy, reactionary right-wing 4chan cool kids club.
How would I (am not op btw) even go about saving society?
>>29552789
Yes I am. You, or someone else, said they would punch me in the face. A lot of angry losers hate me in this thread. You people are just SALTY and BITTER that a male is disagreeing with you. You are important intellectuals apparently, and men MUST be disposable according to you gentlesirs.
>>29553244
>>29553492
I answered it plenty of times, and not once did I call you an SJW. I called you a demigod fraud, a loser, an autist, a fedora tipping wannabe intellectual, but never an SJW.
You cool edgy edgesters on 4chan have not convinced me of anything, and I just hope you know that I wasted all of your time.
>>29553716
See >>29553492
To sum up this whole discussion, you said right-wingers are frauds because they are not actively taking action to prevent excessive degeneracy, and more importantly they are not destroying this heap of shit that women call "third-wave feminism". I've been trying to tell you that if Republicans started making speeches calling out women for being sluts, they would lose all their female voters and the left would further demonize them and this would make the situation even worse for young white males. We need something big to happen in order to make the people make a 180 on their morals, otherwise there's no other option but to do things one at a time by attrition. I'm trying to make you see that it's not impossible to improve things, but you won't have it
>>29544962
I can't wait western civilization to crumble so we can reconquer yurop.
t. ottoman
>>29553752
For fuck's sake the word is demagogue.
Why should you a fucking white male try to save Western civilization?
It's the only one you've got. And it's the only one that has ever respected individuality and freedom.
>>29545128
Hello Jew
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>>29553823
No. This isn't even about "Republicans", it's about the entire right-wing and how they claim to be the saviors of western civilization, but their traditionalist views make them put women on a pedestal, and see men as disposable, and they refuse to hold women accountable for being sluts and whores. It isn't even about "losing voters" and such - even the right-wingers online simply cannot comprehend holding women accountable for things. They are mostly young little dudebros that were destroyed by feminism.
>>29553893
>And it's the only one that has ever respected individuality and freedom.
Well memed, nice joke there friend.
Maybe that was true in the past (it was), but not anymore. That is a bygone era.
Also, I said "demigod frauds". Meaning, right-wingers want to portray themselves as these symbolic higher beings that can save everything, but they are all fraudulent and I loathe how they put so much pressure on young men to make all the sacrifices. Fuck those pieces of shit.
>>29553949
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I was Jewish, thankfully I am not though.
>>29553982
>their traditionalist views make them put women on a pedestal
No, leftists are the ones who want to put women on a pedestal. Leftists caused the sexual revolution. Leftists came up with bullshit like "rape culture" and "male privilege". Leftists are the ones leaping at every occasion to cry misogyny when a right-wing politician says something that can even remotely be interpreted as such.
> It isn't even about "losing voters" and such - even the right-wingers online simply cannot comprehend holding women accountable for things
So because you came across people online who were like that, you think nobody in the right-wing is trying to think long term and fix the situation for males? Yes, these feminist values are much bigger than they have a right to be, but still the West is not beyond saving. Something's going to happen eventually, it always does. Whether it's a revolution, a scandal, a new journalist that everyone loves, anything can happen and the tables can still be turned even if things seem hopeless.
People mention birthrates and females working Is a problem? I don't think it is in western countries. Western girls do get babies and why shouldnt they be allowed to study and work? It's what they want. That being stuck at home with kids isn't what they want.
>>29553982
>That is a bygone era.
America, as corrupt as it may seem at times, is still the place that values freedom the most. A lot of countries still violate human rights (invented by the West) left and right, so don't take the retained western values for granted, they are still alive even if they seem overshadowed by shallow consumerism and degeneracy.
>>29554159
Birthrates in the west are catastrophic, there's no denying it. Look at Japan: their women are career-oriented and they don't take in immigrants so their population is aging incredibly fast and their population (and productivity) is dropping like a rock. The working class will have to provide for millions of old people, all so that women can have the "privilege" of working their ass off 16 hours a day and not having a family to take care of.
>>29554260
Meanwhile in the West, we rely on immigration to stabilize our population. Illiterate immigrants will be put in ghettos and the West will be just one big welfare state, riddled with poverty and crime and racial conflicts
>>29554260
Well it will never happen that girls suddenly won't be able to to study or work. Also today females don't get children early because of the mentioned studying and working. And getting a child when you're young would fuck all of that up nor would it be economically viable. And I do see a lot of single mom's nowadays.
Yet another "I'm a shithead millenial who is going to shun employment, shun marriage, and spend my days playing computer games and chasing asian women, but because of the ever pervasive special snowflake syndrome, I'm going to convince myself and other people that I'm really a right wing conservative through flimsy justifications for my failed life"
I'm glad you got booted from /pol/
You stupid fucks make thread after thread without realizing how alienating your asinine bullshit is.
>>29554352
>Well it will never happen that girls suddenly won't be able to to study or work.
Of course it won't, but less emphasis can be put on the whole "career" thing. If women were forced to only have children and take care of them, that would be slavery and would not be economically viable either. There needs to be a balance.
Third-wave feminists are teaching women that the housewife life-style is shameful and degrading, and this is by far the most toxic parasite in the west and it goes against human nature
>>29544962
Because by being born European and/or in western countries, it's yours by virtue of inheritance and birthright. You might not like it, so you should work to change and reform it. Why would you accept destroying it?
I get into arguments with Muslims, supposedly westernized and were born and grew up in the west, all the time that laugh and smile at the destruction of the west. We can't let these heathens conquer us. They say that gays MUST be killed because god says to kill gays in the Quran and that you must follow what he says otherwise you aren't Muslim. They are the antithesis to everything leftists claim to be for and yet they defend them and want them to come.
Leftism is just a suicide cult to destroy the west, there's no logic behind their thought process.
>>29554488
This
more and more people are coming to their senses though. I have faith
>>29554433
And then at the same time teaching them being sluts is a good thing. And fucking Chad of course. As an average or below average looking guy you are fucked.
>>29554430
I'm not really "right wing" though anymore, every single Internet movement in existence has thrown me off now. I still hold some right-wing views deep in my mind, but I avoid advocating them now since I know how fraudulent the right-wing truly is.
Yes I do play video games; I spent money on those Steam games, and I have a huge backlog, and I've outgrown games, so I have to force myself to sit there and play them, or else the money is wasted, but I can't focus for the life of me. It sucks, man. But yeah, I have no reservations about living life for myself, as opposed to worshiping women the way you /pol/ fucks want me to.
My ban ends in 1 day and 8 hours, then /pol/ will have to deal with me again.
>>29554591
So you're alt-right?
Not everyone worships women for fuck's sake
>>29554101
Your post would only be true if this was another era. We are in current year. Pro-female, pro-slut ideas have progressed so far, that even "conservatives" push for them. I know what I've seen.
>>29554200
Are you another person that thinks it's still the 1950s? I see a lot of idealism in this thread. I know I made this thread, but this would be like a form of torture if I wasn't so accustomed to people behaving this way. I wonder where the hell the right-wing gets off, insisting to me that we still live in a prude, traditional society and then pulling out all the stops so young guys like me are sent to do the bidding of women and fraudulent figureheads. I get insulted when people tell me the good ole' days are still around, I don't like being lied to.
>>29544962
Society doesn't hate you. Don't let yourself believe a vocal minority is all of society. If you aren't perfect, you shouldn't keep focusing on the flaws of others.
It's harder to fix something than it is to just throw it away. You just want to throw it away because that's easy, and removes any responsibility you have.
>>29544962
Are you FUCKING STUPID?
How far in denial are you stupid Amerishits?
ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE US.
Look at my own country, the much superior CANADA as an example.
The US robbed my nation of its identity and forced us into a role of subservience. Now look at how cucked we are.
Fuck America.
You Americunts think you're such hot shit with your shitty ass shows and slutty ugly ass women.
That's funny, because you people couldnt even fight a bunch of farmers that hid in holes, so resort to fucking blowing up their innocent families instead, you imperialist war mongering rat fucks.
You fat fucks are so far in denial, that you dont even see how hopelessly lost as a society you are.
The average american is weak of mind and health (read: fat and stupid), cucked (like, literally KEKED as divorce rates in the USA are at their highest levels yet), and disenfranchised from yourselves as a people and nation (read: shooting each other in your fat FUCKING faces all day due to having no grip on reality)
And yet, despite ALL of that, you stupid FUCKS still think that you can force your shitty tv """""""""""""show"""""""""""""""""" on everybody else?
Fuck America, and fuck all the Americans reading this comment.
I'm glad as fuck that I live in Canada, where we have FREE healthcare, dont have to live in fear of our own lives everyday, and have a government that actually cares for us.
And yet you FAT FUCKS have the the gall to call us "irrelevant"?
Fuck off.
Oh wait, pardon me.
I almost forgot how POOR the """""""""""education""""""""""""" in USA is, so let me convey my message in a way that is more in tuned with your colloquialisms:
>USA USA NO SUCH THING AS WAR CRIMES LOL SOCIALISM IS BEHD LEL FUCK CANADA LOL [Fucking shoot yourselves in the heads, you fat cucks] DA MOON DA MOON DA MOOOOOON MURICAHN PRIDE MURHICAN PRIDE
The everyone else, the answer is fucking simple;
STOP USA.
Then the west will become the bastion of hope it once was.
>>29554688
>So you're alt-right?
lol, no. They are the same thing. I was talking about them too when I was mentioning the fraudulent demigods. I don't think that a movement lead by a fag that worships sluts taking nude selfies in MAGA gear is going to save western civilization. But they are just one pieces of the puzzle.
>>29554706
>Society doesn't hate you
Yes it does.
>Don't let yourself believe a vocal minority is all of society
Oh, look! It's a "Everything you have experienced is part of a VOCAL MINORITY, please don't hate us" episode again!
No. People hate me, so I hate them. The western world hates young men like me, so I hate it.
>>29554713
>"""""""""""""FREE""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" healthcare
i know canadians who complain about their quality of treatment and how long it takes because of waiting lists
>>29554762
>anecdotal evidence trumps general patterns
Amerifat logic.
>>29554755
>sit online all day focusing on people who hate you
>surprised when you feel like everyone hates you
do you see the problem?
>>29554699
>even "conservatives" push for them
I'd be curious to have some examples. Leftists are still the enemy. Right-wing want to get more women on their side, period. Honesty would kill them and you know it.
The last part of my post is still true. Ideas do not stick around forever, anything can happen.
>>29554591
We're not telling you to worship women, we're telling you to marry a woman to start a family, the very foundation of a civilized society. The reason the west had declined is because of weak and effeminate governmental policies (socialism), destructive social norms (single mothers, promiscuity, and the destruction of marriage) and the feeling of cultural relativism, that other cultures and moralities are just as valid as or better than ours for the sole reason that they exist too so there can't be a true answer.
Your solution shouldn't be to destroy western civilization and let others pick up the pieces and take it for themselves, your solution should be to fix and reform the problems I laid out earlier.
You're just a weak little shit that can't stand up for himself so he'll let others do it for him. Think about those men that went and fought and died for their countries in World War II, shit all the wars. They had the real hell, what you have to do is to simply win the ideological war. And right now, our side is losing because we don't show up to the debate, we don't reach out to people, and we let the leftists control the narrative. This shit can flip easily, we just need people like from /pol/ to debate the lefts ideas and show the majority that what the modern day leftist argues for is civilizational suicide.
By the way, women hate a quitter you little faggot. Maybe that's why you're so willing to see the west destroyed, because you're a loser with women, see the extreme shit some women do, and then ascribe all women with those traits. No, not all women hate men and are whores.
>>29554699
>Are you another person that thinks it's still the 1950s?
For fuck's sake, take a minute to stop thinking about gender issues, because the post you're replying to is not about that. Yes the gender situation is shit and has to change, but Western countries are still the best place to live in for plenty of reasons, such as liberty, human rights, living conditions, medecine, technology, development and education. This is not up for debate.
>>29554755
>The western world hates young men like me, so I hate it.
Men ARE the western world, or at least they should be. One corrupted generation will not destroy something as great as the West forever
>>29544962
>Why save the best system in the world
Well, I have no idea, OP. We should all just look at the superior countries in the middle east and africa and do like them.
>>29554816
You said it better than I ever could, especially the part about wars
thank you
>>29554816
>muh forbearers
>muh wimmin
It's all shit m8. Marriage is like playing Russian roulette with a shotgun and the culture is too far gone to save. Fuck off you hackneyed tradcon piece of shit.
>>29554699
Nobody, literally nobody, is saying we still live in a traditional society. Nobody's telling you the "good ol' days" are still around. Stop being so delusional, or at least stop focusing on that one dumbass politician who says stupid shit like this
>>29554779
I don't sit online all day though, but people are naive in this day and age to think that constant patterns on the Internet don't represent anything.
>>29554811
The right-wing lacks honesty, though, so that idea just won't work. How can any honest person believe people that say they represent traditionalism and decency, when these same people worship sluts on the Internet? And fund camwhores? And watch porn? And defend slut culture? So on and so forth.
>>29554816
This post is just another failed attempt at trying to shame me back into being a disposable male, so I won't listen to you. Yes, I still want the west to fail, you're going to have to deal with it. I also found it astonishing how the only strategy /pol/ had for dealing with disaffected males was to abuse them even more. Sure, that'll work bro! YEAH!!!! And yes you are telling me to worship women, you're telling me to take all the fucking heat so women can have comfy lives, you're telling me to be a perfect male and marry women so they don't have to face the consequences of their actions, and so they can have feminism and chivalry working in their favor 24/7.
>>29554883
But 90 percent of the topic IS about gender issues, though. Look at all the bitterness I've received here - how men are expected, by edgy cool 4chan kids, to do all the work while women sit on their asses, get worshiped, and feminism stays and so does chivalry. All the "human rights" bullshit is just bullshit. Men are considered disposable, if there was a real war, we'd all get our asses carted off to the frontlines. "Human rights" is just a concept that people prop up to feel better about themselves, it's not real.
>>29554922
Oh yes it will. Things can change very quickly. Ideally, men are the western world, but it's not the same. We are nowhere near as appreciated as we once were, men hate each other, no sense of brotherhood exists, it's not the same. It's all about women, and satisfying them.
You cannot save that which was never yours.
>>29554922
So far the Boomers, Hippies, Gen X and Millennials have all done their part to gouge out anything of worth from the West.
>>29555038
>the culture is too far gone to save
Says you, only because you can't see it changing. You probably don't want it to change either, you just want to keep complaining. That's how pathetic you are. If anything, you're only hurting young white males with your short-sighted bullshit claims
>>29555083
>How can any honest person believe people that say they represent traditionalism and decency
The idea of traditionalism, for example the housewife lifestyle, is demonized by the left. How many times do I have to say it? If the right-wing was honest, they would ruin everything and the feminists would win, period.
>>29545521
you're an edgy little queer dude
le nihilistt xddddd
>>29555083
>human rights are not real
You say this because you don't know what it's like not to have rights, you despicable fuck.
"Guilty until proven innocent" is not real? Human rights are not real, are you fucking kidding me? You only say this because you've never lived in a country where the government is actually abusive and kills and tortures people who criticize them. You dare say that these values and these rights that men have died for are "not real". That makes you the worst kind of degenerate, a fucking disgrace to your country and all who have fought for it. I told you to stop talking about the women thing and you won't shut up about it for one second. You'd be naive to think living in fucking Africa is better than living in the West
>>29555083
>Oh yes it will.
I didn't ask you a fucking thing. I'm TELLING you, things can change and so they will, one way or another, sooner or later.
You're a fucking idiot if you think things cannot change just because you can't see it happening
>>29555181
Modern traditionalists only joke about the idea of things such as housewives, though. Forget about politicians and the public. When push comes to shove, the modern right-wing simply doesn't believe in taking away any modern rights or privileges that women experience, at all.
>>29555196
It's not nihilism, and you can stop being offended. Nihilism is trying to force young men to opt back into a society that hates them, just so sluts and whores can be happy. That, my anonymous retard, is nihilism.
>>29555306
How many times has the west killed people without due process? Locked up innocent people? Absolutely fucked men over in divorce courts, in general courts?
Women are simply favored by men in western society and that's all there is to it. We see many examples of this. There are no current wars, and like I said, if there was one, "gender equality" would be absent. Women would be left behind, and men would be shipped off to die. I know you support that, so do most people in this thread, but still. I keep mentioning women because the angry people here cannot give me any valid reasons why young males should even bother caring about a civilization that hates then. All I've received in this thread is denial, bitterness, threats of violence and idealism. "Human rights" is indeed a fraudulent concept. I'm still not sure if God is real, but sometimes I feel as though he is, and I would ONLY trust him with my rights, with my safety.
>>29555338
You're just another Internet idealist. Your entire plan rests on western society going back to the way it was, and it won't, considering you give young males no incentive to care, and you don't want to reel women in one fucking iota.
Tell me, why do you spergs worship women? Why are you so hard on men, and you favor women in everything? Answer me, you traditionalist 4chan spergs. As cringe as this sounds, I summon all of you who see this text to explain to me why you do this.
>>29555083
>This post is just another failed attempt at trying to shame me back into being a disposable male
No actually, he was 100% right. You're just incredibly, hopelessly paranoid. You think the West should fall because you lack the capability of saving it. And so you will rot, while the West will be fixed, no thanks to you defeatist little bitch.
You're helping the feminists is what you're doing. You're only helping them keep the status quo
>>29551007
can we please get rid of the darkies and congregate in the USA, the weather's better.
>>29544962
MGTOW beta cuck you're salty cause you can't get laid. Anyways, we want Western Civilization to survive because it's objectively the most advanced part of the human race.
>>29555429
> you give young males no incentive to care
>says the west is doomed and should die
Hypocrite
>Tell me, why do you spergs worship women?
Delusional fuckwit. What do you think would happen if we tried to force women back into the way things were? Shit does not happen overnight and it doesn't happen on its own
>>29555125
>ad homs
Whatever padre. I've seen first hand the contempt which my generation has for Independence and Liberalism (don't get riled up 'murika, I'm using the proper meaning of that word). They're going to keep giving up their rights so Mommy-governments will protect their feels. You may think I'm being short sighted but it's the opposite.
First we gave up or privacy to fight terrorists who were using our weapons. Then we sold our identities to advertisers so we could have social media. Now we're giving succor to an alien culture that is violently opposed to ours. Meanwhile, universities everywhere are teaching students to hate free speech and free association. Look at the reaction to the Jian Ghomeshi case - the assumption of innocence is seen as an impediment to women's rights. So far women have gotten every 'right' they've campaigned for. The trends point to a much worse future.
>>29555405
>Modern traditionalists only joke about the idea of things such as housewives
Gee I wonder why.
I'm done talking to you, you cannot and will not hear the truth. You can't properly refute my argument either, and you sure as shit can't read every right wing politician's mind. You don't have a fucking crystal ball that tells the future either, so fuck you, and let your pessimism kill you
>>29544981
This, but only for doner kebab. Doner is the best thing ever created, truly the pinnacle of civilization. All humans should eat it.
>>29555405
>How many times has the west killed people without due process? Locked up innocent people? Absolutely fucked men over in divorce courts, in general courts?
not nearly as much as third world countries, I can tell you that.
Again, you're a traitor to your nation, not only for surrendering to this "hopeless" situation, but for claiming that human rights aren't real and implying that living in the West is not any better than in some poverty-ridden shithole of a country that is rampant with illiteracy, crime and torture.
God is not real and he won't do shit. If the West is fractured or saved, it will be the work of men who worked for it, not some imaginary skydaddy
>>29555510
Your argument is that you "feel" things will not get better. And that may be the case in your lifetime. But to claim that things cannot change is naive and moronic. History proves that no ideology can stay forever
>>29555555
>555555
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It's original shut up
>>29555555
hexas holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>29555733
Wow man you really opened my eyes. I didn't realize how feelzy I was being by making conclusions based on observations of what's been going on so far in this century. Tell me how the Great Leap Forward to salvation will be achieved.
>>29555903
The only evidence you need is history. Empires rise and fall, ideas come and go. To claim that from this point on, we are forever stuck in a loop of hopeless degeneracy and enslavement of males, is to claim that we live in a special time, a turning point in human history the likes of which have never been seen before. It's incredibly naive and unrealistic. The fact that we're even having this conversation proves that people are aware of the issues and so they cannot remain forever. One way or another, sooner or later, things are going to change. Could be with a bang, or it could be a slow-burning thing. It's not optimism, it's just the way things are. It's one of the many cycles that civilization is composed of.
>>29555456
He (you) was not right. He is just another bitter fucktarded loser that thinks that sperging out at a young male on a message board is going to change anything.
Traditionalists are the ones helping the feminiss, because traditionalists advocate giving men a hard time and not stripping women of any of their rights or privileges. Women are good and men are bad, amirite?
>>29555479
Oh look, a slut has arrived in my thread.
>>29555499
How is that hypocritical or delusional? When did I ever say things happen overnight? I'm saying traditionalists do not want to put women in their place AT ALL; they simply want to pretend, to play dress-up, to roleplay this "traditionalism" garbage, where women benefit from feminism and chivalry, and men are stuck being the slaves once again.
>>29555555
>The truth
The truth as you see it, you mean? You have said 3 (or 4?) times that you were done talking to me. Nobody is forcing you to communicate with me. What I am talking about goes beyond right-wing politicians and the public, it's bigger than that. It's a civilizational thing.
>You don't have a fucking crystal ball that tells the future either, so fuck you, and let your pessimism kill you
But you do, right? So does everyone here that went against me? Oh yeah, I forgot; you are all hardcore, cool 4chan people, and you know everything. You are "TRADITIONAL", you worship women, you think men should "MAN UP", and you eagerly sniff out any sign of males not toeing the lines. Pardon me, m'lord.
>>29555670
So God is not real, but "human rights" is, even though this entire thread is full of people admitting that we should all worship women and treat males as disposable objects?
Your fedora - you forgot to TIP it, dear gentlesir. "Human rights" is an arbitrary, forced concept that people like you prop up because you need to convince yourselves that everything is alright, and just, and fair.
>>29556046
>sperging out at a young male on a message board is going to change anything.
Still does more than what you've been doing, aka whining and bitching. So don't even try to evaluate people based on how they're contributing to the cause, because you have a negative effect on it
>>29556021
So how you gonna wait this one out sempai?
>>29556046
Can't help myself
>But you do, right? So does everyone here that went against me?
My beliefs are based on the cycles of ideologies coming and going, revolutions happening, and other historical evidence that nothing lasts forever, including nations. Your pessimism justifies your beliefs, but if things don't get better (or western civ doesn't get destroyed) within your lifetime, then you simply won't live to see it happen, period.
It's honestly pathetic that you still accuse me of wanting to worship women when I've proven that I don't. You just want to believe you're completely alone in this.
>>29556046
>because you need to convince yourselves that everything is alright
No you got it wrong. I acknowledge what is bad in the west (gender issues), and I acknowledge what is good in the west. You acknowledge the bad in the west and completely disregard everything else. And on top of it you refuse to do anything about the the problem, you expect it to solve itself.
>>29556187
I'm not waiting it out, I'm discussing it. I'm not going to have a career into the political field, but I would support some political movement if it were suitable for change. It's the best I can do, and it is better than to admit defeat
>>29544962
Why should this failing system be saved? The rich will always stay rich, a d the stupid poor as they deserve. Let the rightful successor take its place, islam
>>29556271
So much for making a difference.
>>29556310
That doesn't prove that things will remain like they are forever. Since I pretty much have history on my side, the burden of proof is not on me.
Third wave feminism is incredibly toxic and when its effects are felt to their full extent, it will either lose its influence or take down the West with it.
>>29556046
>What I am talking about goes beyond right-wing politicians and the public, it's bigger than that. It's a civilizational thing.
No it absolutely doesn't. All you've said, literally all you've said is that the politicians are frauds. If you knew about "civilizational" things, you'd know that ideologies cannot exist forever without changing. The existence of feminism is proof of this: it broke a cycle that lasted 200 000 years.
>>29556392
>Third wave feminism is incredibly toxic and when its effects are felt to their full extent, it will either lose its influence or take down the West with it.
That is literally my thesis you cunt. Either way it's going to take a few generations - it's nothing I should wring my hands raw worrying about saving.
>>29556046
Again, what do you think would happen if we these politicians tried to force women back into the way things were?
I'll tell you what would happen. The concerned political parties would be dismantled and reformed. You still don't understand the concept of attrition and small victories, so now I see it is pointless to even try to make you understand
>>29556519
>this is my thesis
i thought it was obvious that I was on your fucking side and that I've been arguing that it's absurd to think that the status quo will be eternal and unrelenting
>>29548105
FLUSH IT DOWN
>>29556649
You're the one who made a big deal of saving Western Civilization but now you seem to be all right with letting things run their course. Wtf?
Honestly I'm not too sure that things will go back the way they were once 'progressive' politics dies down again. Islamic conservatism could be the next zeitgeist.
>>29556837
It's the other guy who thinks the status quo will never change. He's batshit insane and the most paranoid person I've ever seen on 4chan.
I would rather see the West be fractured (because it can't just go up in smoke all at once) than have feminism dominate forever. I still want to believe the West will redeem itself beofre that happens, but it's impossible to predict how and when it will happen, if it does.
Bottom line is, nothing lasts forever.
>>29556960
I should add to >>29556837 that there's no telling what effect the convenience of technology is going to have on political and cultural changes. Maybe SJWs will continue to foment hate and misinformation in various dark niches of the internet. It could prolong the transition period of any change. The shiny baubles of the digital age may convince people to keep giving up their individuality and rights to neoliberal governments and MNCs.
>>29556960
>He's batshit insane and the most paranoid person I've ever seen on 4chan.
Are you talking about m, the OP? You made me grin from ear to ear when I read that.
The west will not redeem itself, you fucking faggot. We have shown that we are a fallen civilization.
>>29557452
me* the OP
>>29556135
I'm discussing a subject and seeing people SPERG OUT at me in ways I never even thought possible on 4chan, and yet you've all miserably failed at convincing me of anything. The mighty right-wing 4chan badasses couldn't even convince one guy of something. How pathetic.
>>29556218
>You just want to believe you're completely alone in this.
Have you seen the responses I got here? Of course you have. I am indeed alone in this, not just in this thread, but in general. This topic does not seem to be discussed much, and when it is, most people just sperg out, worship women and spout empty platitudes of western revivalism, like you did. You worship women because you place the onus on men to do everything, while you do not wish to take away any rights or privileges women have. I've explained this about 15 times now.
>>29556239
No. I advocate total destruction. This has made people upset here, but I've thought this way for years. The system is too broken, everything needs to crumble and burn. What is good in the west? People sperging out on Internet message boards? Porn? The empty promises of a revival of civilization?
>>29556466
Feminism, when allowed to grow, is just an extension of gynocentric chivalry. That's why it's so damn strong, and why men are fucking PUSSIES when it comes to fighting it in any way. It's just an extension of what is deeply embedded into all of us, especially into men. The problem was letting it grow, especially letting it grow unchecked into what we have now.
>>29556607
But you're like the 5th guy who has said that it's pointless to talk to me. Or maybe the same guy who has said it a 5th time now. Why do people keep replying then? This goes beyond official labels and politicians and parties, I've seen with my own eyes who modern right-wing demigod frauds simply cannot comprehend the concept of holding women accountable for anything. This has nothing to do with politicians, fuck.
>>29557658
>What is good in the west?
I've already proven why living in the west is better than living in a third-world shithole. Liberty, living conditions, technology, the basic human right to safety and shelter, medecine, science, etc.
That's why it's worth saving by destroying feminism, but you can't see that and never will
>>29557658
You don't discuss anything. Instead of understanding argument and addressing them, you either block them out with the same weak rhetoric or ignore them entirely. Everyone can see this
>>29557658
> I am indeed alone in this
You still ignored my argument for believing that feminism and the current bullshit cannot stay the same way forever. I also explained to you why it's impossible to immediately take away women's privileges, and you still ignored it. All joking and anger aside, you sir, are a genuine madman.
>>29557658
Your argument is based on psychology and is even more theoretical than mine (which is that ideologies don't last). It has little to no basis in reality, even if it did you can't possibly predict how it would fare in the future.
>>29544962
I am not sure why pol would ban you for that. They have the exact same idea. But just because one part is degenerate does not mean society should end.
>>29557452
Thousands and thousands of years of greatness, boundless philosophy, knowledge and political ideals and you think this one ideology fucked the West forever? Do you think feminism, a fucking political idea, is also a physical, unbreakable wall or completely untouchable like the sun? There is not even the tiniest amount of rational thinking that goes on in your dense, rotten fucking skull. You're just projecting your pessimism on civilization, with absolutely no historical evidence and no logic. Kill yourself
>I really, REALLY hate western civilization. I was never treated good, I had a bad life and the degeneracy I've seen just make it worse.
lol, so biased, no wonder you desperately want the west to fall (although it's not happening)
protip: your shitty life is your fault ;) I'm doing great, fucking girls left and right and am making five figures a year
bye bye :)
>>29557754
>I've already proven why living in the west is better than living in a third-world shithole
No you didn't.
>>29557781
I argued with numerous people in this entire thread, and they all failed in convincing me of their scummy anti-male pro-female pro-western ideals. I gave them a chance, they just couldn't deliver. I know I'm the target of 4chan and it's regressive ways right now, but the traditionalists on this site need to get it through their think autistic braindead skulls that they alienate young men even more with how they treat them on here.
>>29557832
>>29557875
So at this point, it has devolved into people proclaiming their superiority over me? Since when did so many people here become fedora tippers? You all utterly failed at presenting any coherent points to me, it was just:
>I'm right and you're wrong
>I'm smart
>You should be a disposable male because reasons
>I am going to attack you (literally)
>Western civilization is good because [insert cliche platitudes here]
You guys really suck at this, and I'm just letting you know that. Go ahead and tip your fedoras some more, you brave 4chan intellectuals have earned your good boy points for the day. Now go ahead and go tell other people elsewhere about this thread, and convince yourselves you made a difference, even though you just made me realize even more that western civilization is not worth saving and that western society hates men and worships women, and the right-wing is full of frauds.
>>29545085
who treated you badly?
think this: if you were born in the old western civilization (i personally believe it peaked in the 60s), how likely is it that you would have been trated this way?
>>29557969
You sound like a bitter loser. How typical of this thread. I disagree with you and you are such a manchild you can't even handle it, so instead of putting across a coherent argument, you sperg out and talk about me committing suicide. You are a waste of oxygen and you know it.
>>29558409
Yes, it is failing, I see the signs everywhere. /pol/ does too. But go ahead, keep telling me about your mythical great life, I'm sure everyone here will call you an "alpha male" soon enough, kek.
>>29558455
There is no point explaining it at this point. This thread is full of losers that couldn't even convince me, ONE guy, of their point, so they sperged out and threteaned me with violence.
We don't live in a traditional prude society, and I think all of you need to kill yourselves. Your fragile egos have dragged this thread on for so long because you all can't handle one guy disagreeing with you. I hope you know your parents see you as failures. And no, that's not "projection", that's the truth.
>>29558454
Once again, you ignore my arguments, resort to insults and accuse me of worshiping women even though I objectively don't.
You admitted you were alone in this. If hundreds of millions of people don't share your ridiculous, cartoonishly unrealistic view of politics and civilization (that somehow feminism is immune to anything and everything) there are two explanations for having such an uncommon opinion.
1. You're a modern-day Socrates with no audience.
2. You are mentally ill
Statistically, which one is ASTRONOMICALLY more likely than the other one? I'll let you guess. I'm going to sleep, because I can tell I won hours ago with the way you keep repeating the same rhetoric over and over again even after I've stomped it into the ground in so many ways using logic, rationality and a basic knowledge of history.
Do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool. I'm sure you want to do it real bad anyway
>>29558485
Instead of proving me wrong, you just insult me and call me out for the suicide thing
LOL
oh man this is sad
>>29558485
>/pol/
>a bunch of neckbeards on an image board
>the most intelligent men in the world
>definitely the #1 authority on the state of Western civilization
>>29557969
Not him but I do think feminism/neoprogressivism can destroy the liberal democracy of the West. Feminism takes advantage of a number of weak points in the body politic:
>Men's and women's biological bias towards women
The Women are wonderful effect applies to both sexes in different ways. Men want to get laid or protect women so they go along with anything like Feminism which makes those claims. That's how you get male feminists and whiteknights. Women seem to view themselves as a bloc almost nationalistically. Along with some self-aggrandizing notions, this is why women see themselves as more virtuous and more worthy than men. It's not something we can change culturally it's just how we evolved.
>Vulnerable liberal (JS Mill kind not US Democrat) sensibilities
Everyone is liberal in the West. No one wants to be called a bigot (edgelords aside). It's a label with immense social power to shame and discredit people. Since Feminism is literally women the movement it is very easy for feminists to label any critique of it as misogyny, leave the person to fight for their reputation and flounce off to the next thing. This isn't limited to the political arena, it's social suicide to espouse antifeminist opinions. Sure you can say that feminists are crazy but you can't question the fundaments like the equality of the sexes.
>antiestablishment sentiments held by minorities and women
Intersectionality is the idea that everyone is oppressed by the patriarchy in different ways according to their attributes. Feminists used this idea along with the presence of a common enemy to bring other oppressed groups under their umbrella. The movement has expanded from just women's issues to literally everyone who is not a confident, straight, white man.
While feminism is merely an ideology it isn't purely theoretical in it's appeal. The social and biological hooks make it impossible to break free of.
>>29558900
See OP, this is how you argue. This post right here is the opposite of throwing a tantrum
>>29558900
>The social and biological hooks make it impossible to break free of.
This idea of should have made it impossible to happen in the first place. No one saw it coming either. Feminism is fundamentally against a biological norm that was present for eons.
Nothing is impossible. Revolutions happen, ideas come and go eventually, even if it has to take down the West
>>29545178
let me just remind you that , arabs ( during golden ages) were waaay superior than what western culture has done at the time ( algebra algorithmique calculations, heart diagnosise, courts being shut because there is no injustice ,,,,,), all the sexual liberation , feminization of the society have side effects and consequences , /r9k/ is one of them
>>29558900
cont'd
The danger this poses is in the fact that Feminism has become very antithetical to the basic principles of western civilisation. Freedom of speech, due process and meritocracy are seen as outmoded or worse, elements of an oppressive society. Instead restricted speech is being push to spare people's feelings in the form of safe spaces, doxxing and outright prosecution. Colleges are adjudicating criminal matters like sexual assault without giving the accused fair trials, the definition of rape is being made vaguer and more difficult prove one's innocence of. Equity has replaced equality via affirmative action in scholarships, hiring and even socially. The ridiculous idea that minorities can't be racist against white men is accepted without a second glance.
Because of the natural sway feminism happens to hold socially and biologically pushing it out of the Oberton Window is a Sisyphean task.
>>29559121
>Feminism is fundamentally against a biological norm that was present for eons.
Which was?
>>29545549
amen muh brother , you just typed what 's going in my brain right now , some times i just think how much i would love to live in the 18 century , how having a daily job for feeding your family is cool, how no chad could get into your life and ruin your future plans , how women are raising their children instead of having 25+ male partners as normal thing to do these days , i actually hate the fact that once females at our age decide to settle down ,betas will be there for them
>>29544981
>Wahhabi sunniggers
What about smelly kike tool
>>29545178
>Every other race never made it past the stone-age, and they can all burn, to be quite honest.
I'll take "what is India" for 500 Alex
>>29545706
so ur telling me that muslim countries have chads who fuck multiple girls and then these girles settle down with a beta , absolutly not true , the way that these society treats male and females are waaay better than here mate,
>>29545718
you actually think that brexit ot trump wining gonna change that , these problems started two generations ago , you'll be wrong if you think they would change society through politics , we're actually fucked
>>29559279
Yeah. I have to admit, this thread would have terrified me if I wasn't so accustomed to people being retarded on the Internet.
But I'm glad you agree, and I'm glad I gave you the chance to see the message and get your thoughts out. The current status quo is fucked up, and I refuse to defend it.
>>29559224
Gender roles. Up until a few decades ago, the kind of shit we're seeing today was inconceivable. And again, people didn't see it coming
You speak as though this neoprogressivism is completely unopposed. It has many things going for it, but it's easy to look at the current situation and feel as though there is no getting out of it, especially if you live in New York or London
Also, how likely is it that we happen to be alive right after the sexual revolution, which you implied is such an enormous event in human history that it is the only ideology to ever be immune to everything?
>>29559362
>you actually think that brexit ot trump wining gonna change that
What it means is that the regressive left is not unopposed. Even if people will not do a 180 on their moral values, everything is not lost
