don't fall for the capitalism meme. demand your fucking share.
some of you are content on your mctit 28 hour a week job, well you guys can all suck a dick, you're part of the problem. for the rest of us who have to do real fucking work life is shit. anyone ever work for a temp agency? that is hell on earth. i learned some real shit at the temp agency and that is this: if your job pays above minimum wage and they don't give out gatorade, you're just a fucking collaborator living off of fat.
that's real work, lowest possible pay and they give out nectar to improve your productivity. and believe me there are 20 guys for every one of those jobs. the next tier are things you need citizenship, a clean drug test, and the willingness to take any bullshit your lord, i mean boss, gives you. these men are cucks but they make up the vast swathes of the middle class and are usually not what normies aspire to be but what they end up settling for. above them are a few anointed chads but they are mostly the societal elite, the ownership class that lives off other people's work, that want to keep it this way.
fuck that. money and all that is just a tool for distribution, butthink of it like this boys: we produce in the americas a huge surplus of food and have a current surplus of housing. we produce enough electricity and fresh water and have plumbing facilities... blah blah blah. the cost of that is really fucking low boys, yes there are workers producing that shit but they are paid DICK and their bosses do nothing and get heaps of cash we need to get rid of the profit system and just create, the worker class should be the most highly compensated, while everyone else that doesnt need to work (because we have a huge surplus of labor) can get a 2nd tier income or just do away with cash altogether and distribute goods.
dont think we can't do it, with computers logistics problems are nothing, the only barriers standing in the way are political.
Yeah man scrubbing the floors and manning the cashier that's real work, not like those people who run multi billion dollar companies
>>29382428
if you had the capacity to follow through on such ambitions, you'd be thriving in this system.
>>29382428
there are a lot of shills and propagandists on this board right now, because they understand its influence. ask yourself why they want you to have normal ideas, why they want you to stop being a neet, why they want you to get a wife and raise children, they want you to become dependent on capitalism, they want you to become one of them and hate those who question the dominant system or envision alternatives.
if you must work, save your money. it is sadly the only way to escape. live minimally and plan for how you can free yourself. if you have freed yourself, you owe it to others stuck in the system to fight against it.
really though, you guys need to start thinking and talking about socialism. if you think this board doesn't have influence you're very wrong, why do you think they spend so much energy spamming and monitoring you? go with something else boys. we can overwhelm them.
>>29382428
If you want to overthrow the proles then go and fucking do it, but whether you realize it or not when the bubble pops in a year or two you and your massive entitlement complex are coming down along with it free-rider.
P.S. you're a fucking fool if you think the real cost of electricity and all these natural resources we're blowing through is less than even the highest inflationary costs of them during even the greatest times of wealth disparity.
>>29382428
>People who work in a power plant make shit
Mother fucker the janitors make like $18/hr there. I'd fucking kill to get a gig at a power plant.
>is less than even the highest inflationary costs of them during even the greatest times of wealth disparity.
how stupid do you think i and the people of this board are, shill? you aren't even making sense you're just sputtering shit everywhere. my electricity comes from the river dam that was built 100 years ago, and i wouldn't need a car if i didn't have to go to the franchise marketplace and pay a dozen companies a premium for the food i need to survive.
you're a disgusting shill and you'd better double your efforts, because when real men take over they are going to have you atop their list of willing collaborators.
>>29382428
It's not even the economic aspects of contemporary capitalism that bother me the most, it's the shite shallow consumerist culture it propagates.
>>29382463
>running multib companies
>people
Anon, I...
If you have a shitty job that doesn't pay enough, that's your problem for not being valuable. I make 120k as a software engineer, I'm a total robot socially, but one thing I don't complain about is the job that I love. I worked my ass off to get qualified for it, nearly killed myself directly and indirectly through stress and worry during university, but it was so worth it
>>29382552
>P.S. you're a fucking fool if you think the real cost of electricity and all these natural resources we're blowing through is less than even the highest inflationary costs of them during even the greatest times of wealth disparity.
This. Too many jobs shouldn't exist as it is (mine included). The actual cost of performing them is far greater than actually calculated.
>>29382761
see what we have here is a cuck. this man, like a dog, did everything his masters told him to become valuable to him. he used his intellect, which is rare, to become a software engineer to make money for other people. congratulations to you, good boy.
and believe me anon, all 150 million of you working age males can develop software too, or at least find _some_ way of making money for your lords, this guy only had to work himself near to death.
i'm sorry anon, you're cucked to the core. if you think your income phases me... come on. do you think the poor and neglected get this refined? i'm pretty fucking privileged and i didn't have to go through any personal stress and currently serve no masters.
>>29382428 (OP)
I doubt you know even a decent amount about current economic conditions, but this post capitalism style of life you are dreaming up is utopian for your own conditions. realistically you are a burden on everyone else and have to work in some fashion to compensate. contribution doesn't have to come through working a minimum wage job.
Just throw the Jews out and we can inprove over time
if you guys aren't a little uneased by this desperate shilling, i don't know what to say.
headquarters has red alerted this thread though, if you read it you're a thought criminal.
>>29382660
you do realize that there are more people on this earth than there were and this affects city development and energy consumption, right?
You do realize that the nonrenewable resources that we use are called nonrenewable because they do not regenerate for a very LONG time dont you?
Did you know that the only reason you can get 'premium food' for as CHEAP as you can get it is because of specialization and economic incentivization? Your liberal uni probably didnt teach you that shit.
Try making all the ingredients for a sandwich, or just do a quick websearch for the man who did it.
See how much it cost him, then realize from this cost that money is a metaphor for the abstract relationship between time and demand and supply.
You could always go to a fucking farmers market or dumpster dive you dumb hippie..
Newsflash Communism doesn't fucking work because it's based on naive aphorisms believed by brainwashed "progressives" like you and that there will still be people at the top, or people at the side, just waiting for you to slip so they can steamroll you..
>>29382932
the wealthy core of the elite is certainly jewish senpai but i'd rather change everyones mind and bring them to heel than have a bloodbath, plus all the jews that aren't at the big time table are all good socialists, u just have to take away their diamonds and gold and suddenly those helpless little men care about a fair society.
PEAK OIL!
Go ecovillage asap if you want to live.
>>29382981
oh boy everything has a cost. trust me, baby dick, i've lived it and i have the muscles to show it. but there is a surplus of labor and its growing. right now our ranks are small enough that you can effectively shame us and inspire resentment in the rest of the people that are enslaved, but eventually you are going to run out of ideas, uncucked men are fucking women who want children, and meanwhile machines and science are giving us incredible bounties, and pieces of dog shit like you want millions of people jockeying cash registers. you deserve hellfire but i'd rather give u a welfare check.
Yeah I'm already a leftyfag. I agree with a lot of those values. But I'm worried about centralization in general and that our government is too fucked up to be trusted. Maybe it needs to get the axe first.
BUT ANYWAY.
What happens to us robots under socialism? Aren't we even more screwed because it would be harder for us to prove ourselves through hard work? Many of us are willing to (and doing it, we're not all NEET memes) to make up for being less attractive.
>>29383053
why do you think any system that was focused on productivity would even want your labor? did you read the post? real men is done by the physically fit at a grueling pace, and there are more than enough of them. the fact that you're here in the first place most likely means you're not very valuable, and i don't mean that in an insulting way like the 120K doggy did.
initially you would get cash to fund a basic lifestyle, if you wanted more you could answer phones or man the fryer at arbys. ideally a more efficient, cashless distribution system and more advanced culture would develop though. robots might be slightly better off but being a beta who jerks off to anime still isn't going to be cool.
>>29383037
The reason that there are millions of people jockeying the cash registers is because these progressive policies, while nice in theory, give rise to enormous power disparity. Look at any communist state in history and you will see the same tragic story of the leaders turning inward on the people while violence and strife breaks out since people refuse to work. Not to mention the effects on the market ( less choice in goods for instance) that affects both GNP and GDP. If you can't acknowledge that in communism there are leaders then you need to read history. If you want to talk anarcho-syndicalism or something like that you may have a case but then look back at ancient history and the development of nation states.
In the U.S. at least our government historically has actually been using protectionist policies rather than even this 'free-trade' that we are doing now since geneva and all this multi-culti bullshit with other countries. Look it up, it's a well-known fact.
you can raise the minimum wage to 1,000$ a day and, guess what, the entire rest of the market will find some way to adjust because it's not the monetary goals that they are trying to meet, in fact we have been living off of bogus credit ratings and foreign debt bondage since at least nixon. It's that complex relationship I talked about in the last post that you should be focusing on. I say this because no matter the pricepoint even more jobs will be lost but the people at the top will still manage to squeeze the same amount out of the economy.
>>29383053
actually this is exactly right. The government is too fucked up right now to be trusted.
look at obamacare. obama used executive action (as he has done to raise the debt ceiling and... well hell, just look at the number of executive actions he's taken compared to any other sitting president) to secure a deal for the people who lobbied to him ( big pharma and insurance)
with big pharma it worked because the people under obamacare are more sick, so of course they go to see the doctors more often, meanwhile incentivizations are given to doctors to prescribe vastly overpriced meds and medical equipment, and so that money is pushed right back through and the government gets a nice little cut at the end for its role.
The only reason why insurance is getting fucked on obamacare is because not enough people opted-in, but guess what, them raising their prices and the vested interest big pharma has in keeping med prices high makes sure that no normal person can pay for their pharmaceuticals / medical devices on their own.
and its this way with many other corps. I would recommend looking at the leaked portions of the tpp bill if you think you can stomach it. especially the technological and pharmaceutical sections.
>>29383295
i'm sorry but people with crazy agendas have you confused with smoke screens. what matters is how many tons of edible crops we produced, edible meat we produce, and useful products produced. debt and money is all just a tool to move things around, it would mean nothing if we destroyed the current currency and introduced a new one with new value tommorw, so long as enough of it was given to the people doing the labor, goods would continue to be produced and distributed.
a system where you trade your labor for currency will always benefit the owners, because they will have all the negotiating leverage, so it is better that the owners be the state with all of us a similar stake than the current system which u know enough about to know is crooked.
look at it this way: your share of the productive economy under socialism will most likely be larger than any share you could possibly manage to buy on the public markets with your earnings. you would become an owner of capital simply by being a member of the state, and you would receive the dividends from its vast productive capacity.
>>29383128
Actually I'm a programmer but as a contractor and really poor. Pretty much because of competition from India. I'm an OK programmer, but I can't (even) compete... I'm always trying to get better, but even then it's hard to get contracts or a job again.
And I'm fully aware that my work doesn't really matter. I'm just supporting the service industry, which is mostly make work. Sometimes I work on stuff related to entertainment and desu I think it's the only thing of value I ever do.
Our form of capitalism is extremely demoralizing I think. But I do put in effort and I wish my work could have value (even though it does not).
I always wished our society could undertake gigantic projects. Colonizing space, restoring the environment to near pristine levels, etc.
I'll probably never be socially skilled or attractive... I just want to be given something to do to make up for it. If that's even possible.
>>29383511
please stop shilling, please stop impersonating me. for the slower people all of this is meaningless, petty, small potatoes bullshit. they want you confused and worried about pointless shit, like i just said, what matters is valuable or useful goods and food. this guy is a shill trying to scare you away from politics with meaningless bullshit, politics is about distribution, not obamacare and tax credits and code words, and its only as complex as politicians make it.
>>29383511
desu I don't understand most of this. But yeah I am pretty aware that the US healthcare system and bigpharmas is one of the greatest bullshit of our times.
Oh yeah.. I get that the TPP/TTIP are terrible. It's all for corporations. I'm a leftist but I support Trump; he's BY FAR better than Hillary. Even though he's kind of dick.
>>29383628
i get what you mean, and i think socialism would at least free you from doing unfulfilling work for survival. i agree that a society should aspire to great things and i think the humanitarian goals of the soviet union are something to look towards, but i'm really most concerned with breaking wage slavery. unfortunately i don't think your skillset would be very valuable in the world i'm envisioning, but i think that's the beauty, you could cultivate other skills you thought were valuable that you thought improved your community, with your new free time that you don't have to devote to (largely) meaningless work.
>>29383569
You are making a mistake here, you are talking about theoretical communism, not how communism actually works out.
Money is a tool that allows advanced specialization. If I give money to anyone it is good for a trade ( just locally with a community for the sake of staying on topic). If I give corn to anyone, it may or may not be good for a trade
Just because my share would be larger, does not mean that disparity between I and the ruling class, or a few nefarious lawless figures who have ample time to abuse the system, is any less. It also doesn't mean that the economy will be fixed in the current system where more federal government power ( as is the case now) is being exploited to cut deals with private companies and corporations.
smaller decentralized governments give more fault tolerance and issues are easier to detect and fix up to a certain level of 'smallness'.
we are not being represented by our representatives right now, corporate interests are, and they LOVE this idea of 'communism' because it invites them to bring in even more illegal immigrants to the workforce so they can create even greater disparity and choke out the citizens of the u.s. because they are not tethered to the u.s. They can leave whenever the fuck they want and go anywhere.
>>29383779
not to even mention the implemenations of advanced tax avoidance systems like the double dutch or offshore accounts in tax havens like those leaked in the panama papers that, say, vladimir putin put a lot of his money in.
>>29383779
>smaller decentralized governments give more fault tolerance and issues are easier to detect and fix up to a certain level of 'smallness'
this is complete bullshit that you just made up. i thought i was talking to someone in good faith but you're ANOTHER shill. i shouldn't even waste my time with you but just to make your dumb ass work harder i'm gonna ask anons to check the wikipedia for franklin roosevelt and then ask themselves if they want a weak government.
holy shit shills have fun looking your fathers in the eyes tomorrow.
>>29383758
Oh well. If that's for the greater good.
I don't super enjoy my ""skills"" becoming unneeded but I could do without the stress... I work on open source projects already anyway (when I have the energy), I could dedicate myself to it. But it would never allow me to make up for my deficiencies.
Actually I could start working on video games mostly. The entertainment industry should explode under your schemes?
>>29382428
>WAAAAAH STOP HAVING APPLICABLE SKILLS THAT EMPLOYERS/CORPORATIONS DEEM MARKETABLE AND THUS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I DO WAAAAAH
Grow up kid, go to school, put your money aside and save up for school, most major companies like grocery stores/fast food places have policies in place where if you work for them while you go to school for a certain amount of hours a week they'll even foot the bill for 90% of your schooling. You have no excuse besides being lazy and wanting "free gibs me dats".
>psssst I'm making over 120k this year.
>>29383881
Yes, the idea behind the former colonies and the united states of america is complete bullshit,
</end fucking sarcasm> you fucking imbecile.
I'm starting to think you're the paid shill. are you from fwd.us? lmao.
>>29383902
yeah, with people's bread taken care of they will want circuses. really this is just the logical extension of efficiency which the capitalist system itself has thrust upon society. i think you have a good outlook and open mind, citizen, and i think if you really think about socialism deeply it will make sense to you and you'll feel compelled to talk about it like i do.
>>29383902
better pick up a gun and learn how to shoot before a bunch of banshee towelheads from the neighboring country come and blow up your section 8 housing while you're de-stressing and listening to phish on cassette tape like a good commie
>>29383920
psst, real live women cum off my dick and give me money, you eat pussy and can't take a piss next to a taller man.
I didn't actually think there were commie shills on 4chan anymore
>>29384010
this is reddit9k m'lady
>>29383955
And the circus could be almost completely anarchic. It would be mostly Internet-based. Anybody can produce content and contribute it. Like it is now but with more people dedicated to it voluntarily. There could be open source video games with many millions of man-hours put into them...
Yeah I've always had leftist tendencies, but I do distrust centralized planning and what it could become. I don't think it's impossible though.
Another thing I was thinking about.. what about culture? Especially the family aspects. Do you protect it? To what extent?
Prostitution would be an issue I think. It will become the only recourse of so many people to actually become "in demand" and to get more things than the others. It could degenerate.
Sorry I'm asking you lots of questions while you're trying to BTFO those who try to BTFO you, but you seem like a true believer and I wonder how you see it.
>>29383974
DUDE you're not being very mellow right now. I'm gonna have to try to relax extra hard.
>>29384183
i dont concern myself with the family, i wish i could be a leader and make decisions about public morality but i think i lack charisma in person, i would make an excellent advisor to an influential person though, hopefully one reads this. i think christian morals are largely admirable but i dont believe in religion.
as to prostitution, first of all i think the problem of surplus labor wanting to be in-demand is at worst mutually exclusive to capitalism, in that surplus labor already turns to sex work. i take the optimistic view that more women are driven to prostitution because they are in poverty rather than they want career advancement, but i might be wrong and yes there might be negative cultural consequences to that effect if i am.
as to centralized planning i'm beginning to become cynical too but that's just the impression i get with the current system, it is corrupt and us plebs are surrounded by low level incompetents and (almost) everyone important or competent is insulated from the rest of us, but there really are some very smart, competent technocrats in this country, they are just so cucked out, all it seems to take is 120K a year to turn a high i.q. asset to humanity into an obedient lap dog that barks readily.
>>29382428
You're paid jack shit for those jobs because anyone can replace you. The reason why neurosurgeons get paid more is because you need to meet extremely high qualifications in order to do the work. You don't need college to know how to flip a burger, hammer a nail, work a register, or mop a floor.
>>29384463
there aren't many neurosurgeons on r9k, too bad your masters don't pay for anime expertise yet, you would really get more traction if you adjusted your playbook to the environment you slimy shill. you can't be blamed though, you want to do right by your shill parents after all.
>>29384515
What the fuck did I just read?
4gw
>Tfw poor for the rest of my life
Thank god "The rest of my life" only amounts to 1-2 years.
>>29384433
Yeah I'm a "cultural christian" as some say.
It seems like the Soviets (and China surely) had a lot of social engineering going on and tried to instill values and tried to make sure families were functional, etc. They maintained some continuity with the previous social order. And they didn't want to let their people completely without guidance.
Yeah, NOW prostitution is mostly just poor women having no recourse. But once it becomes the only job (apart from murder and theft, etc) for millions of people, it'll explode. Social media and hook up culture are already destroying the family unit and the birth rates are plunging.
And yeah, it sucks that the smartest people in the world are not making humanity better, just making profits. In an idealized capitalist society, the two are equivalent, but SERIOUSLY NOW.
The best chemists in the world are busy making fast food as addictive as drugs for the benefit of the healthcare industry that treats symptoms and don't cure diseases aND FUCK EVERYTHING.
>>29384580
hey anon, i can't say i've been there, on the edge like you are, but i've at least done some of the same work, and i know its not a life that you look forward to living. my best advice would be to find a companion, another worker like you who you can rely on for simple favors and kindness. i think you will find that as you form a community, no matter how small, you will feel like your small rewards matter.
next i would urge you to spend some time improving your living space with tidiness and your health with exercise, these might help you see hope, and save your money and be obedient so you can get a better spot on the work line or some time to relax.
vote your interests and you might find your burdens relieved sooner than you think, we already have social security and that was thought unthinkable in the prosperous 1920's. we produce such great wealth in this country, and there is so much idleness, it is not right that the burden is carried so heavily by a few of us.
>>29384743
>Me
>A robot
>Finding a "companion"
>somehow implying people give a shit about each other in any capacity anyway
I've just faced the fact that wealth is directly related to your talent. Things like the SAT, ASVAB, and MCAT are all elaborate ways to obscure a simple IQ test. Talent is wealth, wealth is happiness. Hardwork means fuck all
Life is rigged, my friend. We are the clowns.
>>29384846
Yeah, I was gonna say...
OP, you're on r9k. Let's get to the point. How do betas get laid in socialism? If you're below average in looks, and most women share the few Chads, and you can't even provide because there's no use for you, you're even more fucked than right now right?
If you want the robots to join in the revolution you better find a solution OP! We're not all NEETs, it's just a meme. And even the NEETs are mostly just memeing about it, they want jobs and a GF eventually. We want out of the rat race, but not quite enough to never ever get laid.
