I want to talk philosophy, beliefs, lifestyles, ect with you anons.
I want to learn how you all view life and your take on things.
I'll start with a controversial belief I've come to hold:
If you do drugs then you are a slave who can't face reality. And if you can't face reality, then you are a weak human.
Discuss.
All right, I do drugs to become a better Ubermensh. I choose what my mental state will be for the task ahead. I do grow my own plants because I think it's morally wrong to buy them from a criminal.
I am a mostly Stoic, so I face reality and my obligations to my job, my family and my community. I do not consider myself weak.
Define Slave? As in "you don't have enough properties to live off the land so you have to sell your work to pay the bills" then yes, I'm a slave.
>>29109269
I believe that most people who choose to do drugs do so because they are choosing to alter their mental state, for better or worse. Only addicts are slaves, and yes, they are unarguably weak.
The most controversial beliefs that I hold are all about utilitarianism. I genuinely believe that in politics and philosophy that the best course of action to take is the one that brings about the greatest good. So, say, euthanizing people who are deficient mentally or physically to promote greater overall health and stability in society completely falls in line with my beliefs. So does any system that promotes the greatest amount of benefit for the largest number of people, even if it must come at the expense of a smaller number of people. It's impossible for me to discuss this with normies so I never even try but I'd be interested to hear what you all have to say about utilitarianism.
>>29109436
I say slave as in you are dependent on dealing with things through an altered mental state, so you are a slave to drugs is my idea.
But are you stoic through the help of drugs or on your own merit? Perhaps you can't even know since you are a user of them.
All just food for thought.
>>29109582
I like the idea of utilitarianism, but the tough part comes when you are on the chopping block. What if some one you love suffered a terrible accident where they wouldn't be able to work anymore? According to the greatest good it'd definitely be best to get rid of that person. But when you involve emotions, things get really complicated.
>>29109725
I've had to care for loved ones before that were terminally ill, physically handicapped and mentally handicapped. In two situations they killed themselves, in one they died of natural causes, in another I had to pull the plug, and in the last I cared for them until they were able to go back to work. The common theme in all of them was that we did what it took to make their suffering as bearable as possible. If you truly, really and honestly care for someone, you'll do what's best for them, regardless of your personal feelings.
Bumping one of the only original threads on r9k right now
Originally
I have my own philosophy, or maybe it already exists, but I came to this conclusion by my own accord.
I don't know what to call it, but it's basically a philosophy of paradoxical perceptions. Everyone's right, everyone's wrong, and when you die, everything is nothing; one of the absolute truths.
It's kind of weird knowing we've all died hundreds of times today.
>>29110581
Speaking of death, I thought I'd share my favorite quote from an old tombstone: What you are, I once was. What I am, you soon will be.
Just reminds you that death is a trivial thing.
>>29109269
"Spiritually", for lack of a better word, I find Spinoza's philosophy the most satisfying, albeit with some of my own nuances added, but I haven't read Hegel or Nietzsche or really anyone past Kant unfortunately.
Ethically speaking I think Aristotle was spot the fuck on with virtue ethics, deontological and consequentialist approaches try too hard to generalize a set of 'moral guidelines' to apply to multiple situations, but this is silly I think.
What do you mean by drugs? Some people, who takes drugs as medication, I suppose are slaves in the most literal sense, in that they require certain drugs to function. If you mean recreational drugs like alcohol or cigarettes, I don't think slave really applies unless they're addicted, but nevertheless using drugs as a crutch indicates a certain mental weakness on the part of the user.
>>29110700
Care to explain the philosophy to me? I like hearing people's take on it rather than just googling it.
>>29110700
Drug use vs. drug abuse
Drug use is when you use a prescribed dose monitored by a professional for the purpose of improving your health and minimizing the negative effect of your body fucking itself
Drug Abuse is using a dose that it largely based in guessing to achieve a recreational effect to make yourself 'feel good' or 'feel better'. Often tolerance will develop because you're using to get a heavy effect and your body doesn't want to have things cause it to do stuff so it balances out your system and negates the drugs effect.
That doesn't mean you can't use drugs to have fun, just that most people are usually flying blind and not exercising moderation at all when using drugs and end up killing themselves or causing heavy damage.
As for 'mental weakness', my experience is that people need shit to do. Doesn't matter what. You can say things like trying to feel good is different than a job, but in the end its just the person spending time doing something. Jobs are just usually a great way to spend time because they drain energy and give you funds for living and saving, so if you live a life of thrift and moderation you can enjoy a very stable life. However, lots of people have personalities that push them into risky behaviors and ultimately these people are just fucked if they don't channel that positively into sports, exercise, risky jobs, more hours etc rather than meth.
My philosophy tends to border on how feelings pretty much define everything we do. Reason is just based off our feelings and experience. "You don't want to do X, X is bad, you'll feel bad if you do X" and thats a majority of our society right there.
I think that ethics is just an offshoot of that. What are we okay with doing to others? What are we not okay with? And generally it depeneds whos in the conversation. If someone has a history of fear they will err on either the empathic side and want the person babied.
>>29109269
I believe you should separate the individual from a psychoactive drug. A psychoactive drug is not just a certain state of mind, it is a mind altering substance. So it is the individuals mind reacting to the substance. This can vary from person to person, because it is not the substance taking over the mind. That is a common misconception. If a person finds a particular drug useful for any particular task, and the person can use it without abusing it to the effect of negative outcomes, then how can you judge a person for taking that advantage? It really is not your business anyway, whenever you talk about drugs you are talking about potentially forcing people from not using at gun point. Which is going on now. Better to just worry about your own family.
>>29109269
If you don't do drugs then you're a slave who can't handle drugs
I get what you're saying, but it relies on the assumption that reality is worth handling, which is subjective. Like someone is trying to bait you into something you see no point in or never wanted to do in the first place bcuz ur a pussy if u dont
>>29113705
Also drugs are a part of reality and your definition of reality is therefore itself not real.
>>29109269
Nothing humans do really matters because we're such a small part of the universe
>>29109269
Antinatalist here. Life is fundamentally more bad than good. Net cost of suffering and death drastically outweighs net benefit of any form of pleasure. I do remain mindful to the fact that, despite understanding this, I remain a puppet subject to the tug of war between pleasure and pain. As such it is my understanding that a pursuit of pleasure - in any forms which it takes - is the closest to ideal - antinatalism does not mean suicidal, as death is just an aspect of the unfavorable state of existence, with suicide being a sort of "cashing out" from life before suffering becomes too much, but at the same time death may occupy the highest tier of suffering, being the complete undoing of the self. Essentially I just pursue what pleasures and interests me, which is a pretty basic lifestyle philosophy. My feelings about my foundational philosophy range from a sense of liberation to a sense of despair, depending on context.
>>29113928
well spoken, I generally agree with you aside from the idea that life is fundamentally more bad than good. I feel that instead life is defined rather more on environment whether or not it has more "suffering" vs pleasure or whatever. IE: I child in somalia would agree with you that life is fundamentally bad, while a normie raised in a good household would disagree
>>29114065
Ah but the foundation of antinatalism is based on the entirety of human experience. I would also argue that it is the case for every individual, as life exists on some spectrum between
A) Living in suffering until death, or
B) Living a life of greater net pleasure and fulfillment which is suddenly ripped away, along with the entirety of one's sense of self, in death, leading to overwhelming suffering in their final moments that quickly trumps all the pleasure they had in life
So yes, a normie raised in a good household would disagree, but a normie raised in a good household has yet to experience the true horror of even his existence
>>29109269
>If you do drugs then you are a slave who can't face reality. And if you can't face reality, then you are a weak human.
I think that only holds true if you can't live day to day without constantly being on drugs
Honestly I think recreational drug use is no different from any other form of entertainment
>>29114139
so you're saying that even if somebody has a happy fulfilling life, death trumps that? I disagree, death is something that we all have to deal with it, and if you're prepared for it, and assuming you don't die in some painful matter it can go peacefully.
>>29109269
Depends on your definition of drugs. Big 3 (pot/booze/smokes) are pretty fine as recreation as long as the person using understands the consequences.
>>29109269
Oh also OP, antinatalist anon here and with regards to your opinions on drugs I must disagree. Drugs are just a form of pleasure seeking which is something I approve of. Reality is horrible and facing it does not necessarily lead to greater benefit.
all belief systems are wrong and there is no inherent meaning to life. my path forward, as such, is essentially absurdism - embracing meaninglessness and listening to my own moral intuition.
i enjoy life so i keep living.
>>29109269
>If you do drugs then you can't face reality
You've probably come to that conclusion by looking at the people around you who do drugs as a form of escapism.
but i personally believe the arrow of causality is reversed, ie.
>If you can't face reality, you use drugs.
but not all drugs are used or even able to provide that perpetuation of ignorance that these 'slaves' are reliant on.
In fact some drugs are used to break down the warped worldviews people develop naturally to cope with the constant barrage of negativity that this information age has given us access to.
>>29114221
>smokes
>Implying most people who start smoking know about the consequences
>>29114679
>implying intense anti-smoking campaigns haven't existed for decades
>>29114844
>implying people aren't dumbfucks
>implying some people aren't immune to education
>implying implications
>>29109269
>I'll start with a controversial belief I've come to hold:
I believe that if you don't strive to improve yourself, you're going to be unhappy in life no matter what handouts you get. In addition to my nearly Rand-tier politics, this is the large part of my hatred of modern culture. Particularly the Tumblr-tier "I'm le triggered by talking to people so I can't hold a job, please donate to my GoFundMe" stuff, that seems to fuel so much of the bern that today's shitty youth are feeling.
>tfw only 24
>tfw feel like I'm in my forties some days, with how much I hate the culture I'm living in, "bluh bluh bluh muh kids these days, bluh bluh bluh muh degeneracy."
>>29114956
>implying people who ignore consequences don't deserve them
>implying idiots not using readily available information warrants me giving a shit about their consequences
>>29114963
Modern day youth are just a product of a generation that grew up without fathers, thank the last generation for messing up their children
I'm a nihilist. I believe existence is meaningless, and ultimately, it is up to the individual to give meaning to their lives. Unfortunately, humans are nasty pitiless things. We're greedy, we're violent; we are a tribalistic species.
Humans attempt to create order and end up doing more harm than good. How arrogant must one be to believe that we can legislate human nature and force us into artificial social constructs? The only natural thing to do is to disregard the artificial and embrace organic human relationship . I do believe that if nations were created along ethnic and cultural lines, our problems would be solved. Am I advocating for the return of racialist policies of "ethnic cleansing" as of past?
No . I simply believe that multiculturalism has failed us. There is more racial tension than ever before. Sectarian conflicts and in the middle east and Germany are shining examples of a few egotistical idealists getting their wa .
Your nation, your tribe, your race; this is what allows humans to have functioning societies and has worked time and time again. Ask the Danes and the Japanes . Think of race as your extended family . You share similar views and hold the same values. A shared culture, values, and people coupled with any economic system would prosper infinitely more so than a country and people without a common dream.
It may appear this has nothing to do with nihilism, but alas, it does. We are organic lifeforms, so why not then should we build organic societies? Let humans be and do what they've done for generations: created nations and fough . In the end, it doesn't matter, but it would be the logical conclusion to humanity.
>>29115126
>a product of a generation that grew up without fathers
Come to think of it, the less a father has been involved in their life, the more annoying a piece of shit the person does tend to be, in my experience. And I will say, that "father figure" can replace "father," for cases of adoptees and suchforth.
WWIII when?
