Smith II, Eugene F.
22 March 1994 - 17 March 2015 (aged 20)
Texas
Our Remembrance
Texas size heart- Gone way too soon! We'll always miss you!
http://www.facesofsuicide.com/index.php
Ball, Jordan
05 November 1994 - 02 February 2011 (aged 16)
Ohio
Our Remembrance
We lost our beloved son/brother/friend by suicide on Groundhog day. We had no signs, no note, no texts. We all miss him so much. Just on more hug, one more conversation, smile, or a clue to why this happened. We all love you Jordan. You will never be forgotten.
I wish they would show how they hero
>last name freshman
>dies a freshman
ahahah. this really isn't as funny as it should be but goddamn.
Freshman, Alison
23 August 1996 - 03 October 2010
Greencastle, Pennsylvania
Our Remembrance
Alison Freshman was an amazing 14 year old girl who committed suicide, for reasons nobody knows of. She was funny, crazy, funloving, outgoing, gorgeous, kind, brave, strong, and sweet. She was one in a million, and I will never find another like her. she was my BEST friend since 4th grade and I\'ll never forget her. I miss you AllieFresh!
Why is there so many Chad's and Stacies. Is suicide a normie thing? I thought it was only robots that did it.
McKitrick, Sean
28 November 1984 - 28 April 2004 (aged 19)
Tennessee, USA
Our Remembrance
You thought the world didn't need you, but it did.
For you were unique,
Like no one who has gone before, or will come after.
No one can speak with your voice, smile your smile,
Speak your thoughts, or shine your light.
No one can take your place, for it was yours alone to fill.
Because you are not here to shine your light,
Who knows how many travelers will lose their way
As they pass by your empty place in the darkness.
Sean -- Forever 19 and Forever in our Hearts.
>>28892151
It's almost like depression is a medical condition or something.
>>28892159
forgot sean's picture.
maybe he was a early 4chan browser, we'll never know.
I find it weird when people born after me kill themselves, just seems strange. Especially if they're a kid/teen.
>>28892167
>Implying it isn't Chad or Stacy getting depressed because they're not getting enough attention
>Or that one thing out of a million goes wrong and they realize that they aren't fucking gods who rolled 100% luck on life
>>28892022
I can feel the forcedness in his gaze
>>28892215
HURR NO ONE ELSE BUT ME COULD EVER HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS> IF UR PRETTY UR LITERALLY A NORMIE
Laudig, Shannon
26 April 1986 - 10 November 2007
LaGrange, Georgia
Our Remembrance
My Shannon was only 21 years old when she died of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. She left behind a 4 year old autistic son.
>>28892176
he looks like a closet trans
>>28892284
>My Shannon was only 21 years old when she died of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. She left behind a 4 year old autistic son.
>>28892267
Something wrong normie?
Brunette, Chad
02 December 1976 - 21 July 2002
Texas, USA
These threads make me sad
>>28892284
EXCEPT THIS YOU DUMB WHORE GETTING PREGNANT AT 16 AND LEAVING YOUR AUTISTIC SON WITH NO PARENTS 4 YEARS LATER
HEARTLESS BITCH
Palomo, Scott Cory
28 January 1989 - 08 April 2006
Taylor, Texas, USA
Faces of virginity. Props to the guys over the age of 21 that said fuck it.
Boring, Jr., Allen Dale AKA Rusty Shackleford
17 February 1965 - 26 May 1997
Indiana/USA
Our Remembrance
Allen was so warm and loving. Allen had beautiful eyes and a captivating smile.
Allen left behind 3 children, family and friends that love and miss him so much.
Rodger, Elliot Oliver Robertson
July 24 1991 - May 23 2014 (aged 22)
Isla Vista, CA
Our Remembrance
A real human bean, and a real hero.
Demiters, Rihards
04 May 1994 - 13 May 2015 (age 21)
Riga, Latvia
Our Remembrance
You know your in love when the hardest thing to say is goodbye. xoxo Lots Of Love. - John Flanagan
Sometimes I wonder how many people would actually show up at my funeral. Maybe my friend, and a minister, but that's about it I think.
>>28892069
Stuck in a time loop.
>>28892323
Why?
He's just a pasty nerdy depressed guy. Well he was I mean.
He even looks like me a bit and I'm not a tranny either...
>>28892498
shut up closet tranny
Grover, Stacy (FUCKING STACY) Kay
2 June 1981 - 5 May 2005
Michigan
Our Remembrance
My daughter, My angel. What a horrible disease mental illness can have on a human being. I know you love me and You know I love you. I wish we could turn back time and get the proper treatment that is now being recognized in children. Love Always:)
>>28892577
Parent seems rather relieved that they are dead.
Moffatt, Jade Greengrove
11 July 1990 - 10 January 2008
British Columbia, Canada
(forgot pic the first time)
These threads always make me feel.
>>28892466
I was watching videos of that game like an hour ago, funny coincidence.
>>28892577
>Proper treatment
Let me guess, she was depressed because she was fat, and the "treatment" is drugs, not exercising and dieting.
>>28892613
Kind of depressing when you realize how many people cared that she was dead. Hell Von Croy didn't even show up. Literally her butler, a coworker, and her priest were the only people that showed up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZhAoqND-w
>>28892466
lots of people would attend claiming they were actually your friend just for show
I wonder if I'll make it on there. I plan to kill myself in the next month.
Nowacki, Michael
11 May 1990 - 19 June 2010
New Jersey
Our Remembrance
I love you and miss you more and more every day. Love You
Chad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unidentified_decedents_in_the_United_States
these people look normal
>>28892183
iktf
Rocha, Mary
07 September 2000 - 20 February 2015 (age 14)
Pearland, Texas
Our Remembrance
Dancing in the sky
Singing in the angels choir
>>28892715
So do you. That's the whole point.
>tfw you just search for chads and stacies to fell a little better
Gilboe, Kerri Maria
08 May 1992 - 09 July 2014
Averill Park, New York, USA
Our Remembrance
KerBear, My Little Petunia...We miss you so much each and every day. We will love you til the end of time. So many hearts broke when you left. Never forget "Your Mama Loves Ya." Someday we'll be together again...til then, we hold you in our hearts with tremendous love. Love, Mama & Joe, Danny, Nick, Lee, Kait, Lindsey, Cheryl and hundreds of others who will remember you with love & kindness, FOREVER.
Zaeske, Taylor
23 March 2003 - 06 December 2013
Maryland, USA
Rowe, Jacob
15 October 1984 - 30 September 2013 (age 28)
Boston, Massachusetts
Our Remembrance
You left home and you could never go back. You'll be forever young and you're carried in the hearts of all who knew you. I'm sorry I let you down, buddy. Your dad misses you and I know all the ladies you loved on do to. I miss you and Melvin. It's 2015, can you believe it?
>>28892649
she didn't come across as very social and was possibly a sociopath so not surprising. And she did screw over von croy by stealing the iris from him.
>>28892463
Is this the guy from the sad birthday picture? The ages match I think.
>>28892690
Anon pls no
At least tell papa why
lel remember when this first happened?
Alcorn, Leelah / Joshua
15 November 1995 - 28 December 2014
Kings Mills, Ohio
Our Remembrance
Rest in power
>>28892764
>ten year old girl commits suicide
how?
>>28892845
normie media created this excuse called bullying
>>28892498
she just does okay
i have a flawless tranny radar
Glenn, Julie Ann Richardson
21 January 1955 - 16 September 1992 (age 27)
Topeka, Kansas, United States
Our Remembrance
Your family and friends miss you, Julie!
>>28892397
>inb4 pocket sand
this one probably died of a esctasy overdose or something.
Locey, Krista
11 February 1989 - 15 April 2011
Vancouver, Canada
Our Remembrance
I Love You Krista, may you rest in peace until we meet again,
Love Mommy xoxo
>>28892779
That's what I don't get, because he did try looking for her in the Egyptian ruins after they collapsed on her. You'd think if he cared enough to do that, he'd care enough to show up at the funeral. Then again her parents never did either, maybe there was something else going on that was never shown in the games.
some of these pictures are comical.
Dunn, Harvey Lee
23 September 1958 - 12 August 2001 (age 42)
Carolina, USA
Foster, Vince
15 January 1945 - 20 July 1993
Arkansas
RIP Vince, you were a devoted father and a very good man with great intentions. - Diane Rodham
>>28892838
I have no friends, no parents, what family I have left hates me. I have been unsuccessful in everything I have tried and just work dead end jobs just to make ends meet. I see no reason to continue.
James, Creigo Jonathan
14 November 1988 - 01 August 2011 (age 22)
Washington, US
Our Remembrance
Beloved grandson, brother, cousin, uncle and friend greatly missed by all. Hanged himself before his 25th birthday.
>>28893004
most likely, It's possible that her parents are dead. I don't recall them ever being mentioned. I don't really know what was going on with von croy. And I dislike how they never shown how she survived.
damn, this guy is interesting.
Brown, Alan
20 March 1963 - 5 June 2010
Johannesburg, South Africa
Our Remembrance
Alan was born in England on 20 March 1963. He lived in many countries throughout the world including India, Zambia, England, New Zealand and of course South Africa. His immediate family members are Jason and Chrissie ( his children ) and Heather and Carol - his sisters. Both his parents are deceased ( Jessie and Pat Brown ) rnHe went to various schools throughout the world ( as his dad did work contracts in different countries ) Michael House Boarding School in Petermaritzburg and John Orr Technical High School in Johannesburg to name 2 of his main schools. He never liked school though and was happier under the bonnet of a car or taking something apart to see how it worked. There wasnt much he couldn't fix and was brilliant with his hands. There was never any fear of breaking down if Alan was in the car because he could get anything going as long as he had a spanner and a screwdriver in his hand. Alan liked adventure in his life and when he was in his early 20s - he hopped on a flight to England and got himself a job in the printing and publishing industry fixing all the printing presses and whatever machinery broke down. He was never scared to take on new challenges and tackled various jobs throughout his life. rnHis main forte was his skill at steelwork and building gates, burglar bars and anything steel related. Most of you in this room are bound to have some steelwork of Alan's in your houses!rnIn fact I asked Alan's brother in law Andy if he had a message for Alan and his answer was " Alan, DO NOT try and fix or redesign the pearly gates!!!"
>>28893123
Gee wonder how he died. Pretty sad that the only photo they have of him, is him getting high.
Dean, Brittany Rena
10 June 1993 - 26 October 2013
Kentucky, USA
Our Remembrance
A bright light of my life is gone and my life is grief forever. Bye Brittbrat I hope to see you again somewhere else.
>>28893197
Part 2
The most important aspect of Alan was his soft hearted and generous nature and he was a true gentleman who still believed in opening doors for ladies - a trait not seen very much in this day and age. He could never say No to anyone and was well known for giving away his last R20.00 to someone in need. Throughout Alan's life his parents got used to him bringing homeless people home and feeding them and giving them a bed for the night and sending them on their way with his pocket money in their hand. He never had much in his life in terms of material possessions as he was always giving away whatever he had, even if it meant going hungry himself, but that is what made Alan happy - simply by helping other people.
>>28893192
>her parents are dead
If I remember correctly they're both alive, they just don't give a fuck about their daughter. Which is funny because Crystal in their games made Lara obsessed with her parents and had her try to find them.
>And I dislike how they never shown how she survived
Well that's the thing, she WAS supposed to be dead, but Eidos got greedy and told Core they had to keep making Tomb Raider games. Technically Lara after Chronicles is kind of an alt universe Lara where she did survive.
>>28892716
I love these stupid notes where the family is like "SHE'S IN HEAVEN NOW!"
suicides go to hell, if you believe in heaven then you can't really ignore that.
Cheng, Lancy
07 May 1982 - 06 May 2000
California
Our Remembrance
My dear friend, we were all saddened by the news of your passing on. I am thankful for the three years of laughter and friendship I had with you. Thank you for your kindness.
>>28893297
Not if they are mentally ill.
>>28893102
Stop giving a fuck what your "family" members think and start working as hard as you can. Show them you won't become the fag they want you to become. Apply for better jobs, start learning more, try everything. You'll find what you're good at eventually, look back at this and realize what a shitty mistake you almost made. I can't stop you, but I sure as hell can cheer you on.
Don't let me down Anon.
>>28893297
Even if that's true that's absolutely fucking ridiculous. It's like getting pushed into a snake pit, and then when you try to get out of it, you get pushed back in; after you manage to get out you're then punished by getting shoved into a flaming pit. Great fucking logic right there.
>>28892284
mom? they said you moved to an other country without me..
>>28893338
Suicide is basically like giving God/the Universe as a whole the finger. It's the ultimate embodiment of spiritual despair, which is a fairly significant sin in many religions.
>>28892022
R.I.P King of GrungernYou are forever missedrn<3
Made me kek.
Is it me or do all these people seem like robots or "that kid">
>>28893375
>Giving the finger to a deity that acts like a fucking retarded 5 year old torturing ants with water and a magnifying glass is somehow bad
>>28893424
BUT DUDE FREE WILL LMAO!
>>28892577
that is an unfortunate looking woman
>>28893275
oh okay. according to tomb raider wiki they're both alive.
>Technically Lara after Chronicles is kind of an alt universe Lara where she did survive.
Do you mean Aod or the legend trilogy by this? I was never sure if legend was a reboot, but I'm guessing it is.
>>28893212
Why do such good men kill themselves while chads and stacies keep on living?
>>28892151
Yes suicide is a normie things
Robots are more like stuck in life with no place to go cause life and death seem equally appealing
>>28892463
Aww this guy was a cutie
Too bad
>>28892627
The treatment would be a sex change,
>>28892764
10 years old? The fuck
>>28892167
Well said!!! XD
Reddit faggot detected
>>28892845
autoerotic asphyxiation would be my guess, just flew too close to the sun
>>28893461
That's even worse though, because a deity shouldn't give free will to it's creation and then throw autistic fits to the point you damn them to eternity of pain and torture, when they do things it doesn't like or want.
>>28892770
>It's 2015, can you believe it?
For fuck's sake.
>>28892996
That's a tranny
Suicide is what they do
>>28893528
Talking about Angel of Darkness. LAU is another universe, while the newer ones are yet another.
>>28893201
That's cake
Only fat people get high on cake
>>28892176
He looks pretty cute desu senpai it's a shame he killed himself he could've found himself a qt nerd grill to play vidya and watch star trek with
>>28893202
Kinda qt
>>28892397
TOP ZOZ
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>>28893706
On closer inspection it appears you are correct. I honestly thought he was huffing silver paint.
>Our Remembrance
Marc Sell always had a smile on his face. His favorite pass time was to play video games like Minecraft and Kek`s Adventure in Dudesville, so much great times we had together! I prefer to remember him for the good rater than the bad. I`m going to end this like he would - Be excellent to each other and party on, dudes!
what the fuck
>>28893050
is that a fucking picture of a picture? jesus christ.
>>28893651
>At a very young age, Taylor was different. She insisted that there was a girl who talked to her in her room every once in a while, or she thought that scratching herself was the only way to save the world. She was not accepted at school, and was often teased. It was very hard for her to make friends. When she reached second grade, she became more violent. She beat up classmates and bit teachers. She threw tantrums over the smallest things. When she was 9, she attempted to kill the dog with a kitchen knife.
Bitches be cray mayne for real
>>28893870
a radical young man, tragically cut down in his primo tempo, dudes.
>>28893084
>Suicide
Comment original
>>28893883
To be honest she sounds interesting, I'd have loved to try and be friends with her. Two fucked up people just chilling with each other.
>>28893414
I saw a guy who looked exactly like kurt cobain at the grocery store today. Pretty weird stuff.
>>28892167
It's almost like youre some meme-spewing shithead who has never had an original thought in his entire life. Or something.
>>28892338
lol le triggered meme xD
>>28893320
Anyone who commits suicide are mentally ill, though.
>>28894018
leave forever
>>28892577
She looks like the sound a tuba makes.
>>28893461
There's no "free will", our will is just very complicated. If you rewind time to your birth (or the beginning of earth) you'd still do the exact same things in the exact same manner, because nothing in the universe is random and everything happens for a reason.
>>28893414
Cobain didn't kill himself, he was murdered
>>28892577
>Grover, Stacy
>Grover
LOL
Imagine her speaking in Grover's voice. Imagine her saying "IM SO DEPRESSED AND I WANT TO DIE."
>>28894024
what if they're terminally ill?
>>28892022
I wonder if their faces are now visible in the skin of some eldritch entity that has their souls, like Freddy Kreuger.
Pic related. It's the real 'faces of suicide' ;)
>>28892022
I wonder if their faces are now visible on the skin of some eldritch entity that has their souls, like Freddy Kreuger.
Pic related. It's the real 'faces of suicide' ;)
>>28894257
Forgot pic famalamadingdong originality
>>28892363
This, glad shes dead
>>28894296
Their faces are now rotting in a hole in the ground or have been turned to ash. Souls don't exist.
>>28892159
>You thought the world didn't need you
>but it did
>>28893747
You wanna be my qt nerd gf? I'm a tall handsome robot with muscles
>>28894024
>Anyone who has a shitty life, shitty genetics, and/or shitty luck obviously has mental issues! XDXDXD
Fucking normies.
>>28894508
>Kill myself
>Absolutely no fucking change
Now if I was a public person or person that worked for the feds or really important company, that's a different story. But your average joe will no affect on anything if he an heroes, and that's the brutal truth.
>>28892451
you forgot supreme gentleman
>>28894567
But I don't have muscles, can we still date?
>>28892845
walking in traffic
that ain't a girl though
>All the remembrance comments about how great a person they were and how much everyone loved them
No wonder so many people kill themselves
You think people would write nice things about you, anon?
>all of these kids younger than me that probably had vastly better lives got the balls to kill themselves already
I really need to get my head in the game
>>28893297
jesus committed suicide
>>28894613
That's fine, I prefer big girls. :^)
Lynch, Alexander
25 July 1997 - 10 April 2013
California
Our Remembrance
Alec was a fun, loving, caring guy. he helped out a lot of people. i didnt know him for long, but he was one of the most amazing guys i have ever met. people pushed him to far one day and he gave in. your time came to soon alec... i love and miss you <3
love Amanda
He was cute ;_;
>>28893747
for some reason i think this post is shallow..
>>28892656
Yup, stacies love to cry and gain attention.
>>28894895
I'd smash his boipussy
>>28892215
>people who kill themselves just have superficial pain compared to us robots!
Fuck off, the fact that they successfully killed themselves absolutely proves they were suffering more than you are, and that their issues are absolutely profound ones.
>>28894704
No, he martyred himself, there is a difference, even if they can coincide at some points.
>>28894895
He would have made a fantastic group catamite.
Got a real winner here today.
Harris, Michael James
27 October 1979 - 24 July 2009
Indiana
Our Remembrance
This is my beautiful son Michael. He had so much to give to the world; but he didn\'t think the world had anything to give to him. He was raped when he was 8 by an older neighbor boy; and he was bullied at school. Michael had ADHD and even some of his teachers bullied him. He would be called stupid in front of the class, among other things. As a freshmen football player; he and a handful of other young men, were locked into the cage where the lockers are; and they were urinated on, and hit with locks in a sock. The coach knew this and thought the hazing was a rite of passage. I had to hire a Lawyer to get the school to do an Assessment test (IEP) on him, after 3 years of fighting them to perform it. Finally he changed High schools and had tutors and was put in the right classes for his education level. rnrnI found out Michael was severely bipolar when he was about 23. He struggled with that beast for years until he felt he couldn\'t fight it any lo
nger. His Psychiatrist bullied him and his staff did too. When Michael\'s medicine was a week from running out; he was to call in to the Doctors Office and tell the staff and they were to relay this info to the Doctor\'s nurse. The staff didn\'t think Michael looked like he had anything wrong with him; so they didn\'t always tell the Doctors nurse that Michael needed refills. So he would call and call to get the Staff to get this taken care of. He had to go cold turkey off Seroquel which made him vomit and have severe panic attacks. The kind of meds Michael was on could NOT be stopped abruptly without Doctors advice and monitoring. Michael was in and out of the Madison Center wanting to end his life because he hated \"riding the Bipolar Roller Coaster.\"
>>28896111
The face of a broken, bullied man.
>>28892151
Depression can happen to anyone.
>>28894133
Not this meme again. Go douse yourself in bleach.
Maybe some day I'll have my own pic posted in one of these threads.
goodbye, Genie, you're free now...
>>28892022
>majority of pics are males
holy shit
>>28896269
why is this so surprising?
![l_kv2_20f948dfa08cbf0d2d3a10cc03453674[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0384Zpb.png "l_kv2_20f948dfa08cbf0d2d3a10cc03453674[1].png")
>>28896269
Did you just now realize this fact of life?
>>28896300
Because this normbot's been brainwashed by mainstream leftist outlets to believe that only coloured wymyn are capable of feeling pain or victimization; white men, on the other hand, are emotionless autonomotons manufactured by Satan with the sole purpose of haranguing said visible minority wymyn
>>28896336
it's actually the jews that are doing it though
>>28892577
>What a horrible disease mental illness can have on a human being
>>28896269
Majority of suicides are male though anon, and they're treated as such in the clinical setting. Though it's exaggerated the difference in attempts, men are about 48% of attempts that get hospitalised, they're just more likely to use more violent methods.
>>28896358
And precisely who do you think is in overall control of all mainstream (and even most alternative) news outlets?It's a rhetorical question. Don't feel the need to respond back with some needlessly-biting wit, you sperg
>>28896449
you got me, pol, yeah you got me
an actual friend of mine
>>28896464
>I'm sorry I didn't notice
They say that one a lot.
>>28896464
>11 days ago
Damn.
>>28892022
>bullied even in death
lol RIP in peace faggot
>>28892144
On cigarrete packs in Canada they have these health warnings.
One is about a woman who got lung cancer at 46 and her name is Barbara TARBOX
some things were just meant to be.
>>28892747
>tfw she was born on the same day as me
weird feel desu
>>28896464
Didn't this guy post on /r9k/? I swear I've seen him posting his face in heaps of threads before.
>>28896602
That was me posting him, we would joke around in highschool and post each others photos on sites like this and act like retards, seems like i'm getting the last laugh
>>28896507
>>28896515
it's heavy, I really miss him
>>28896544
why 46?
you think they'd choose one of those one in a million who got it at like 24 to scare you as much as possible
>>28893681
Nu its elliot rodgers in disguise
>>28896544
Yeah man. I had to listen to her when I was younger in school. She was so annoying. She started crying like a little bitch at .04 seconds in. Its one of those things that consists entirely of emotion, no information. Its the kind of thing that makes you cringe when you think that there are actually people out there who are stupid enough that they actually feel like this dumb bitch is trying to get them to feel like.
>>28893297
>suicides go to hell
lel, based on what? Dante's Inferno?
Absolutely suicide-fu tier
Harper, Veronica Marie
09 March 1992 - 04 September 2008
Rutland, Vermont
Our Remembrance
Our beautiful princess, we love and miss you with all our hearts!
Abc def
Going through the abandoned facebook profiles of some of them right now.
Pretty sad to see, some of them posted some kind of last cries for help days before their death.
>>28897160
I have no idea what this conversation is, is the an hero'd giantess on the right or the left?
>>28897652
Left box
Ghijklm nopq
Qrstuv
>>28897764
that guy could pull off a face tattoo
Wxyz123
>>28897846
>>28897764
>>28897748
>>28897735
>>28897160
Leave, Chad
origin
I really wish they'd legalize psychedelics for medical treatment for people with suicidal thoughts/severe depression. It would save so many lives.
>>28898089
>DRUGZ MAN LMAO
>DEEP THOUGHTS N SHIT
>>28898089
>tfw this tard probably follows Terrence McKenna non-ironically
>>28898143
No, but my therapist does.
>>28898125
Don't knock it until you try it.It worked for me
>>28898178
>No, but my therapist does.
Shocker of the millenium
>>28898089
fucking retards like yourself make me glad you'll one day kill yourself
>>28898089
There is some evidence that psychedelics used in a clinical setting can help with PTSD, but I don't think I've ever heard of it helping with depression really.
>>28898238
it's new age sensationalist faggotry of people hyping placebo effect.I guarantee this retard had no serious "depression" whatsoever besides maybe attitude and stress
>remember when idiots said weedz cured depression? It's the exact same with LSD all over again
>>28892022
This shit encourages killing yourself
>>28898238
It is.
>>28898228
What's so funny about that?
>>28898232
But I don't want to kill myself
>>28898283
because you were never depressed. Reddit; it's where you need to go!
>>28898283
>But I don't want to kill myself
at the moment you don't, you can't predict how you'll be in the future
>>28898283
>What's so funny about that?
Nobody said it was funny. More pathetic and self-serving than anything.
Maybe you need to lay off the psychedelics and Terrence McKenna books for a while so you can come back into practical contact with basic human emotions
>>28898305
What makes you think I wasn't depressed?
>>28898306
That's some pretty edgy thinking, anon
>>28898330
But I already am. I've only done them twice, and they were two years apart.
>>28898332
here's a special hint, just for your faggotry. The majority of "depressed" people will spontaneously recover without outside help within 1-2 years time. Anyone who "did lsd twice" is absolutely not taking a medical dosage anyways and clearly just a fucking idiot on the placebo hype of epix colors. In summation:
>>28896111
Poor bastard, but it's better this way.
>>28898394
And the ones who don't recover within 2 years?
>>28898418
they're treatment resistant and clearly not you. They don't rely on just drugs for these types of people because it simply doesn't work
>>28898266
I mean, don't underestimate the effects placebo can have on mental illness, a lot of recovery is having the right mindset to recover, and placebo can allow you to have that, it doesn't say anything about the severity of presence of the illness. Please don't use "You aren't REALLY depressed" as an argument, it's childish, there's no contest here.
>>28898283
Can you show me something that says it is? I can get how it could work theoretically, but something to support it would be good.
>>28898436
>getting "treatment" for depression
>trusting placebo pills
>trusting psychiatrists
Seriously why wouold you willingly get into position where some old hag can ruin your life(get you institutionalized) if she gets a hunch that you could be "dangerous". Only a retard would get treated for depression. It's just a trap devised by normies. One of many.
>>28898394
Mine lasted longer. Also, I never tried LSD. I should add that when I first tripped, I didn't do it for any kind of therapeutic reason.
>>28898436
So why not try something new for these people?
>>28898487
I'm posting in between matches of overwatch. Look up MAPS. They have lots of interesting stuff on it.
>>28898487
If you need a placebo to "escape" depression, you are not depressed. It's a medical diagnosis not a bad lifestyle justification for normies
>>28898502
genuinely depressed people lose gray matter and will kill themselves. So that's bullshit
>>28898510
so you're a hedonist as well as a fucking idiot. Please die
>>28898540
I was young and rushing a frat. Sue me.
>>28898540
>genuinely depressed people lose gray matter and will kill themselves. So that's bullshit
How exactly dos it relate to what I said?
>>28898557
>"depressed"
>"frat"
>>28898559
you seemed to be suggesting therapy isn't worth money. For some people it's not actually bullshit. But only for the extreme cases
>>28898575
>shitposting this hard
Smh
>>28898575
>you seemed to be suggesting therapy isn't worth money.
How did I ever suggest that? Seriously. I just said that whoever gets help for depression is a retard. Because essentially you are just getting drugged to stop having the "bad" thoughts. It's not like anyone actually tells you that what you're thinking is not true. They just tell you the typical normie platitudes. It's worthless.
>>28898593
>muh weedz an psychs and shieeeet medddicaaal lmaooooo btw im depressed : ^ (
no, you're just cancer
>>28898598
anhedonia is a giant negative feedback loop that will totally fuck your shit up. The entire premise is you're not capable of emotionally taking control of your life
drugs are totally acceptable when prescribed legitimately for this context
Brave, beautiful people. It will be a privilege and an honor to join them.
>>28898604
Well if you're not feeling pleasure from activities that you used to enjoy it's probably just because you outgrew them. It fucking happens.
>>28898638
Or, you know, you're an enormous fucking beta who is literally paying someone with incarcerative powers to babysit and mollycoddle you to the point where you experience mental regression.
>>28898540
>It's a medical diagnosis not a bad lifestyle justification for normies
It being a medical definition isn't an argument. It has no physical manifestation that needs to be treated (please don't say the chemical imbalance shit, that's unproven and extremely tenuous, the only studies that really say it's true are funded by pharmaceutical companies). It's inherently a behavioural and thought pattern based disorder which is treated by changing the thought patterns and behaviours. As such, a placebo that causes someone to feel as if they have hope and might be feeling a bit better (even if they aren't really, obviously perception is important here), causing them to act in ways that they wouldn't without the placebo is extremely useful. Depression isn't like a tumor or other physical malady that you can only fix with medications.
>genuinely depressed people lose gray matter and will kill themselves. So that's bullshit
Depression is not a one size fits all disorder. Not everyone with depression is severe, and it manifests it a lot of different ways. They certainly don't lose gray matter either, it's not a neurological disease that somehow causes degeneration of the brain itself, it's not fucking kuru.
Please anon, at least read some basic stuff on MDD before you start acting like an expert. Even if it's just the DSM section on mood disorders, it's not exactly a hard or long read.
>>28898604
>I was never depressed because I joined a frat
Yeah, you're shitposting
>>28898638
You ony outgrow hobbies when you have something to replace them. If you forsake previously enjoyable activities to stare at a wall for hours there is something fucked in your head
>>28898650
I agree with you. I think there are things that most people just ignore or don't worry about. They do this to retain their mental health. But when you are depressed you suddenly see everything for what it really is, even if it's self-destructive. And if you go to the psychiatrist, you are basically paying for someone to talk you into the common delusion that people live in.
>>28898659
I forgot to mention, I agree with your arguments about therapy being very useful for depression, and the guy claiming that you're retarded for fixing it is a retard. You fix an illness because it causes you distress, why the fuck would you go to therapy and then bitch that all they try to do is stop the things causing you distress?
They're not there to have a philosophical debate about the validity of your style of thinking, if you think it's a good way to be, keep being that way, don't go to fucking therapy.
>>28898696
>why the fuck would you go to therapy and then bitch that all they try to do is stop the things causing you distress?
Because in therapy they don't actually fix your negative thoughts. They just try to talk you into ignoring them. Into ignoring reality to be happy. That is fucking retarded.
>>28892355
Chad no!!! D':
>>28898718
Can confirm, having had to sit through an entire semester of Psychology 100 taught by a therapist last semester.
The only way I can possibly see even a remote chance of positive in the feel-good setting of a psychotherapist's office is if it were a teenager or young child that was forced to go, since at least then they wouldn't have to pay for it.As someone who actually went to a behavioural therapist as a kid, it was still a massive waste of everyone's time and money
Why do these threads both make me wish for death and the delay of it?
>>28892144
Damn, she died on my birthday
>>28898718
>Because in therapy they don't actually fix your negative thoughts. They just try to talk you into ignoring them. Into ignoring reality to be happy. That is fucking retarded.
They don't fix your negative thoughts, but they stop you having them? Do you not see that by stopping people having them, they are fixing the thoughts? As I said, they're not there to debate you. You can't convince a depressed person to be happy with logical arguments, otherwise that's what they'd be doing. There's a lot of versions of therapy, but CBT, the most commonly used for depression, focuses around helping you manage those thoughts, and eventually phase them out.
If you're depressed because of outside factors, your therapy will have a major focus on fixing those outside factors.
You've got this weird idea that depressed people are actually looking at the world in the correct way and aren't ill, which is just ridiculous. Sure, life sucks sometimes, but the reaction is rationally not to want lose all ability to appreciate pleasure, become ridden with thoughts of worthlessness and possibly kill yourself. Depression isn't fucking nihilism either, just so you know.
i only looked at the pretty girls. i wonder if my face will be on there and never be seen or noticed because it's surrounded by pretty people. probably, lol. just the way those kinda things go i guess, not really a big deal.
>>28898897
>They don't fix your negative thoughts, but they stop you having them? Do you not see that by stopping people having them, they are fixing the thoughts?
Well if the negative thoughts are based on reality then you can't really fix them. You can only start ignoring reality.
>You can't convince a depressed person to be happy with logical arguments, otherwise that's what they'd be doing.
Well I've been trying to convince myself by arguing with people on /r9k/ and even in real life but I've never seen any logical arguments. But it's not due to depression, it's because my perception of the world is based on reality.
>You've got this weird idea that depressed people are actually looking at the world in the correct way and aren't ill, which is just ridiculous.
Why? You said yourself that life sucks. Life isn't fair, there are many things to complain about. And if you ignore them, you are a retard.
> Sure, life sucks sometimes, but the reaction is rationally not to want lose all ability to appreciate pleasure, become ridden with thoughts of worthlessness and possibly kill yourself.
Is it not? If you are in fact worthless, inferior, unable to fit in with people. I'd say that's the only rational reaction.
>>28898089
One large dose of magic mushrooms cured me of any suicidal fantasies. It was a hell trip but ultimately worth it.
>>28898988
>Well if the negative thoughts are based on reality then you can't really fix them.
If your negative thoughts are based on reality, you don't have depression, you're sad about your situation. Depression is a dysphoric reaction outside the norm for your circumstances, being sad about having a shit life isn't depression.
>Well I've been trying to convince myself by arguing with people on /r9k/ and even in real life but I've never seen any logical arguments. But it's not due to depression, it's because my perception of the world is based on reality.
Gee, maybe because as I said, you can't convince a depressed person to be happy via arguing with them? It's not a rational belief system, it's a dysfunctional one, hence it being an illness.
>Why? You said yourself that life sucks. Life isn't fair, there are many things to complain about. And if you ignore them, you are a retar
No I didn't, don't put words in my mouth. I said it sucks sometimes, there's plenty of happiness to be had. Unless of course, you're someone with an illness that makes it nearly impossible for them to appreciate these joys and pleasures.
Going "If you disagree with me you're a retard" isn't an argument either.
>Is it not? If you are in fact worthless, inferior, unable to fit in with people. I'd say that's the only rational reaction.
No, it's not. If you're worthless or inferior, generally the reaction is to gain worth and become better, or at least to find joy in your situation. Unable to fit in with people means fuck all, there's always a group that people can fit in with. Robots fit in here for example, as much as they complain they don't anywhere, and most have at least a couple friends.
Don't you find it kind of silly that you're arguing that therapy is stupid because it doesn't argue with you to make you feel better, when you're saying you've been arguing with people about your issues, whatever they may be, and yet haven't noticed any improvement?
>>28899199
>If your negative thoughts are based on reality, you don't have depression, you're sad about your situation. Depression is a dysphoric reaction outside the norm for your circumstances, being sad about having a shit life isn't depression.
Is it not really? Even when people who have worse life than you can somehow function? Honestly, it's beyond me how. Well I know how, by ignoring reality.
>It's not a rational belief system, it's a dysfunctional one, hence it being an illness.
Why is it not rational to see things for what they are?
>Unless of course, you're someone with an illness that makes it nearly impossible for them to appreciate these joys and pleasures.
But the unhappiness is more important. The negative things hold more weight than the positive. It would be retarded to feel happy just because you had some joy if most of the time you have none.
>Going "If you disagree with me you're a retard" isn't an argument either.
True. I didn't say that though. I said "if you ignore reality, you are a retard"
>No, it's not. If you're worthless or inferior, generally the reaction is to gain worth and become better, or at least to find joy in your situation.
You can't gain significant amount of worth. Not to mention the little worth you gain will always be incomparable to people who got lucky and were not inferior.
>Don't you find it kind of silly that you're arguing that therapy is stupid because it doesn't argue with you to make you feel better, when you're saying you've been arguing with people about your issues, whatever they may be, and yet haven't noticed any improvement?
What kind of improvement are we talking here? Ignoring the negative things(even if they are overwhelming) and focusing on the positive things? That's fucking retarded. And that's what these ideas of improvement are. To ignore reality to feel better.
>>28899353
>Is it not really? Even when people who have worse life than you can somehow function?
What? Can you rephrase this?
>Why is it not rational to see things for what they are?
Because who says the way you see things is the most accurate? You? A schizophrenic thinks their way of seeing things is accurate too.
>But the unhappiness is more important. The negative things hold more weight than the positive. It would be retarded to feel happy just because you had some joy if most of the time you have none.
Once again, says who? I'd argue that the positives are equally as important as the negatives, and that for a healthy individual most of the time in between is just neutral, not particularly happy or unhappy. You're simply making assumptions and judgements here and calling them reality, and treating depression as if it's a philosophical issue.
>True. I didn't say that though. I said "if you ignore reality, you are a retard"
Sure, except that you're arguing that your view of reality is the objectively correct one, and that anyone who disagrees is incorrect and retarded.
>You can't gain significant amount of worth. Not to mention the little worth you gain will always be incomparable to people who got lucky and were not inferior
This is just flat out wrong. Obviously it depends on what you define as worth, but worth isn't inherent, it's based on actions. Even if you define it as simply as worth, do you think that most wealthy people are born wealthy? And if you define wealth as worth, do you see Dan Bilzerian as a useful and superior human?
>What kind of improvement are we talking here? Ignoring the negative things(even if they are overwhelming) and focusing on the positive things? That's fucking retarded. And that's what these ideas of improvement are. To ignore reality to feel better.
You still feel shitty. Maybe the doctors who've spent 8+ years studying illnesses and how to treat them know a bit better how to handle it than you anon?
>>28892151
everyone is inherently depressed, it's only when we fill it with arbitrary tasks like socializing, working, and worrying about sustenance that we dull our minds to it
because the stuff we fill our lives with are very transparent or non-existant, we are prone to stronger cases of depression
>>28899502
>What? Can you rephrase this?
Many people have much worse life than me. But they just don't lose hope and keep trying, despite failing constantly. Or they have what they call "realistic expectations" which means accepting their life is shit. And they don't care about these things and are happy regardless. That's delusional.
>Because who says the way you see things is the most accurate? You?
So tell me in what way exactly is it not accurate.
>You're simply making assumptions and judgements here and calling them reality, and treating depression as if it's a philosophical issue.
I'm likely not even depressed. So it's a philosophical issue for me.
>Sure, except that you're arguing that your view of reality is the objectively correct one, and that anyone who disagrees is incorrect and retarded.
So tell me why it's not correct.
>This is just flat out wrong. Obviously it depends on what you define as worth, but worth isn't inherent, it's based on actions.
Whether your actions are perceived as worthy is based on your worth.
>Even if you define it as simply as worth, do you think that most wealthy people are born wealthy?
Yes. Either wealthy or with good genes.
> And if you define wealth as worth, do you see Dan Bilzerian as a useful and superior human?
Useful? Not to me. Superior? Yes.
>You still feel shitty. Maybe the doctors who've spent 8+ years studying illnesses and how to treat them know a bit better how to handle it than you anon?
No one who is telling you to ignore reality can't be right.
>>28893212
Clearly he realised eventually helping wasn't enough in this fucked up world
>>28892022
He died on my birthdayylmao
>>28899619
>Many people have much worse life than me. But they just don't lose hope and keep trying, despite failing constantly. Or they have what they call "realistic expectations" which means accepting their life is shit. And they don't care about these things and are happy regardless. That's delusional.
Wait, so you're claiming that majority of people are delusional for acting a certain way, and a certain group of people that all fit the criteria and can be treated as we would any other mental illness are all delusional? Really? You don't see it as possible that maybe you're the one being irrational here?
>So tell me in what way exactly is it not accurate.
Because the way things are isn't a fixed state. People constantly change their lives and create happiness via whatever method. You going "life sucks and anyone who disagrees or is able to be happy is delusional" isn't an argument. You back up why you're right before you start telling people to prove you wrong, because there's no points you've made to actually refute yet. There's no logic you've presented except for "I feel it to be so", and when the majority of people feel that it is not so, and in fact is the result of a treatable disorder, you don't really have much to support what you're saying.
>So it's a philosophical issue for me.
So why are you arguing that depressed people are the same? You want to argue nihilism go over to /lit/. And as I said, you're treating depression like a philosophical issue, when it's clearly a medical one, seeing as when people are treated for it, they no longer hold those views. This doesn't hold true for any other philosophical train of thought.
>So tell me why it's not correct.
Explain to me why it is first, I can't refute logic that you haven't actually shown. See my above paragraphs.
>Whether your actions are perceived as worthy is based on your worth.
What? It's absolutely not. cont
>>28899739
>>28899739
>Wait, so you're claiming that majority of people are delusional for acting a certain way
If they ignore reality to feel better, then yes they are.
>You going "life sucks and anyone who disagrees or is able to be happy is delusional" isn't an argument.
Being happy if you are not top Chad is retarded and based on delusion. How can you be happy knowing you worked for things that many people get just by breathing.
>And as I said, you're treating depression like a philosophical issue, when it's clearly a medical one, seeing as when people are treated for it, they no longer hold those views.
BUT THESE VIEWS ARE BASED ON REALITY.
>Explain to me why it is first, I can't refute logic that you haven't actually shown. See my above paragraphs.
Most people have no reason to be happy. They work hard and get things that luckier people get easily. They contribute to society that will treat them poorly for things out of their control. They take chances and work hard even though most people who succeed aren't just the ones who put in effort, but the ones who were also tremendously lucky. Knowing this and not being born the top part of population, I don't see how anyone could be happy. Unless they delude themselves to ignore these things.
>>28892693
>Chad
He died in my state, rip.
>>28899619
part 2
>Whether your actions are perceived as worthy is based on your worth.
This is absolutely untrue, and you're relying on circular logic. You cannot be seen as worthy without doing something, whatever that something is. And you're arguing that you can't have your actions seen as worthy unless you're already so. If I go donate 12 months of my time to helping the less fortunate than I, are my actions just worthless because I don't already exist as the front of a major charitable organisation? That's a provably false way to view things anon.
>Yes. Either wealthy or with good genes.
>muh genes
Please anon, explain what gene it is exactly that makes people become wealthy, seeing as you're apparently an expert on it. The vast majority of multi-millionaires in America are first generation by the way, they've made that money themselves. They didn't inherit it or get given it at the end of their genetic exams, they earned it.
>Useful? Not to me. Superior? Yes.
Really? You think someone that gets a bunch of his daddies money and wastes it on roids, vacations and hookers is superior to you? Because most of the world sees him as kind of laughable and kind of pathetic. Money doesn't equal worth.
>No one who is telling you to ignore reality can't be right.
Literally no doctor does that, as I've already said. If you're just going to deny the facts of how mental health treatment works, I have no interest in discussing this with you. They work with you to help you fix any factors causing your distress, but I can say with absolute certainty that the fact that this apparent philosophical issue you're having can be treated the same way as schizophrenia (different meds, obviously) makes it not a philosophical one at all, but a psychiatric one. How do you explain Bipolar people if Depression is just all accurate beliefs? Is mania accurate? What about psychotic depressions? Is it a jewish conspiracy to use drugs to suppress the already suppressed? Maybe aliens?
>>28899812
>This is absolutely untrue, and you're relying on circular logic.
I'm not. If you get born with worth(for example attractive) then your actions will be considered more worthy. That's my point.
>he vast majority of multi-millionaires in America are first generation by the way, they've made that money themselves.
[citation needed]
>Really? You think someone that gets a bunch of his daddies money and wastes it on roids, vacations and hookers is superior to you?
Superior to a 24 year old ugly, short and small-dicked KV? Yes. He is. Then again, so is pretty much everyone. This is the reality. He has MUCH better life than me. Actually that's not a valid comparison. He can't have a better life than me because I have none.
>Literally no doctor does that, as I've already said.
So phasing out negative thought patterns(based on the truth) is not common?
>How do you explain Bipolar people if Depression is just all accurate beliefs? Is mania accurate? What about psychotic depressions?
I think it's just the way society labels undesirable behavior. To work in society you have to lie and delude yourself.
I want to kill myself. I have no true loved ones, i.e. no one loves ME, and i am well and truly alone. I've failed at anything I've ever tried and i feel a deep disdain for existence in general.
Someone please help me. I'm too scared to kill myself. Please kill me.
>>28899798
>If they ignore reality to feel better, then yes they are.
Stop being so solipsistic. Reality isn't how you define it, especially when you absolutely fit the criteria of a well researched mental disorder.
>Being happy if you are not top Chad is retarded and based on delusion. How can you be happy knowing you worked for things that many people get just by breathing.
Because chad's aren't born attractive and successful with good bodies. I guarantee that they regularly workout, take good care of themselves and work hard in school to become successful. Also, your worth isn't defined by how fucking high schoolers act, how old are you? Looking good doesn't make you happy, and plenty of incredibly successful people still suffer from depression, especially in creative fields.
>BUT THESE VIEWS ARE BASED ON REALITY.
Except they no longer believe that it's based in reality after they're treated of the disorder. Do you think therapy is brainwashing? Do you actually know anything about therapy, or psychiatry/psychology as a whole? You saying "this is reality" doesn't make it so.
>Most people have no reason to be happy. They work hard and get things that luckier people get easily.
Yet people that are lucky and get great things can still end up depressed and killing themselves. Also, luck doesn't just hand you shit, you still need to work hard for the opportunity to arise.
>They contribute to society that will treat them poorly for things out of their control.
Such as?
>They take chances and work hard even though most people who succeed aren't just the ones who put in effort, but the ones who were also tremendously lucky
Yeah, just like you know, professional athletes, businessmen, musicians, actors, doctors, academics of all kinds, pretty much any successful person, they all just sit around all day and jerk off until someone hands them their successful career thanks to their results on the genetics exam. They totally don't train/study incredibly hard.
>>28899871
>especially when you absolutely fit the criteria of a well researched mental disorder.
Yeah because you can tell so much from bunch of words said over the internet.
>Because chad's aren't born attractive and successful with good bodies.
They get born with good facial bone structure(looks), height, big frame. That's what makes their hard work worhwhile. Hard work is absolutely necessary for success, but it's not nearly sufficient. Only the ones who got lucky AND also worked hard can become Chad.
>Except they no longer believe that it's based in reality after they're treated of the disorder. Do you think therapy is brainwashing?
Yes I do.
>Also, luck doesn't just hand you shit, you still need to work hard for the opportunity to arise.
Yeah but if you have no luck you work hard and get nothing. That's worse. MUCH, MUCH WORSE.
>Such as?
Bad looks, low intelligence.
>They totally don't train/study incredibly hard.
They do. But for each succesful person you have many who also worked hard but didn't accomplish shit due to their bad starting position.
>>28899849
>I'm not. If you get born with worth(for example attractive) then your actions will be considered more worthy. That's my point.
You just moved the goalposts. Sure, having some worth makes it easier to gain more, that's pretty obvious. But you can still gain a little bit, and then a little more, and it snowballs if you make a concerted effort to gain that worth.
>[citation needed]
There's a forbes article, but 4chan keeps labelling any posts with links in it as spam. I'll try in my next post again though.
>Superior to a 24 year old ugly, short and small-dicked KV? Yes.
You're defining worth on looks and sex, which is silly. If I ran red cross or some similar incredibly charitable organisation, many would say that my contribution to humanitarian works would have incredible value, right? Making me worthwhile. Does that change if I haven't had sex?
>So phasing out negative thought patterns(based on the truth) is not common?
No. Learning to differentiate thoughts based on reality and thoughts based on emotion is the goal of CBT, as well as learning to cope with strong emotion.
>I think it's just the way society labels undesirable behavior.
No shit, that's literally the entire point of what mental illness is. Are you going to tell me that disease is what society labels undesirable states of physical wellbeing next?
>>28893123
I like this one, hishappiess seemed genuine if only temporary in that pic, I wonder how he did it and why.
>>28899963
>But you can still gain a little bit, and then a little more, and it snowballs if you make a concerted effort to gain that worth.
But in the end you get much less than someone who is lucky. It's humiliating.
>You're defining worth on looks and sex, which is silly.
It's hard to imagine how someone could have worth if he can't even do the basic thing that many people can.
>If I ran red cross or some similar incredibly charitable organisation, many would say that my contribution to humanitarian works would have incredible value, right?
Point is why would you want to contribute to society by being a humanitarian if you got born unlucky to be shitty. Thanks to that people will treat you poorly and why would you want to contribute to society made of these people.
>No. Learning to differentiate thoughts based on reality and thoughts based on emotion is the goal of CBT, as well as learning to cope with strong emotion.
I don't think that's true. But whatever really.
>No shit, that's literally the entire point of what mental illness is.
So it's not really about trying to help someone. It's about protecting society and making people contribute to it even if they don't want.
>>28899937
>Yeah because you can tell so much from bunch of words said over the internet.
I misworded that, calm down. The attitudes you're defending are absolutely in keeping with that of a depressed individual.
>They get born with good facial bone structure(looks), height, big frame.
So what, if you can't be 10/10 you may as well not be at all? Once again, kind of irrational, you're looking at pictures of models and going "they look better than me so I'm not worth anything". There's been models that say that they don't even look as good as they do in photos, no-one does.
>Yes I do.
Well then you're absolutely wrong, and clearly have no idea how therapy actually works or what it is.
>Yeah but if you have no luck you work hard and get nothing.
No, you work hard and aren't lucky you get moderate success.
>Bad looks, low intelligence.
No-one really treats you badly for looking bad, not wanting to fuck you isn't the same as treating you badly. Same with low intelligence, most people are average and couldn't fucking care less about your IQ.
>They do. But for each succesful person you have many who also worked hard but didn't accomplish shit due to their bad starting position.
You're moving the goalposts again. Now, according to you, and as I said in the first place, it's absolutely worth trying because you have no idea how lucky you could be if you don't try at all. There is no genetic factor to ability to succeed in the vast majority of fields, simply dedication and making smart decisions, with a bit of luck. If you sit at home and whine about how unlucky you are, it's entirely your fault, luck has fuck all to do with it.
>>28893297
>muh bibble
Is religion the only thing keeping you on this earth? How about the easter bunny faggot. Religion is normie as shit.
inb4 le ebin "pwned" xd meme hat, is that the only counter?
>>28900023
>So what, if you can't be 10/10 you may as well not be at all?
Exactly.
>Once again, kind of irrational
Why? If you are not a 10/10 you would have a harder time doing anything. You will be less succesful. You will be humiliated every day in your life.
>No-one really treats you badly for looking bad
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHa. I can't really take you seriously now. Ever heard of halo effect?
> it's absolutely worth trying because you have no idea how lucky you could be if you don't try at all
I know how unlucky I am. I fail at pretty much everything. I've lost a poker game with two aces in my hand. I fail whenever I do. I'd rather not do.
>There is no genetic factor to ability to succeed in the vast majority of fields, simply dedication and making smart decisions, with a bit of luck.
Lol. Yeah, sure. That's just-world fallacy you are exhibiting.
>If you sit at home and whine about how unlucky you are, it's entirely your fault, luck has fuck all to do with it.
If I get up and try, I still fail. I've tried.
>>28900017
>But in the end you get much less than someone who is lucky. It's humiliating.
So what? Someone who isn't the absolute top tier at something is worthless? Do you think everyone under 7' is short, because people above that line exist? It's the same logic.
>It's hard to imagine how someone could have worth if he can't even do the basic thing that many people can.
Stephen Hawkins can't walk yet we still find him incredibly valuable for his contributions to science. He's also married. Yet, I'm pretty sure almost everyone can walk.
>Point is why would you want to contribute to society by being a humanitarian if you got born unlucky to be shitty
Because I feel that doing that is worthwhile, and that assisting those even less fortunate than I is all I can do to change a society that tends to neglect people like that? Or even a society that outright harms them, in some more third world locations. The fact you think that you should only help others if they help you says a lot about you as a person though anon, it's an incredibly selfish way to see the world, and it also validates everyone who's ever treated you badly. What reason do they have to treat you well if someone else didn't treat them well?
>I don't think that's true. But whatever really.
Think whatever you want, it's the entire purpose of it. You just went "nuh-uh" to something that refutes your claim that depressed people are right, and essentially proves it wrong.
>So it's not really about trying to help someone
That's a huge fucking leap there, and I never even slightly suggested that. Society sees these things as undesirable because it causes people distress, and yes, harms others in some cases as well. Doctors aren't instruments of some conspiracy dedictated to forcing you to work, and people so mentally unwell as to be unable to work are given disability so that they can have basic human needs met while they attempt to recover. You're acting kind of silly anon.
Stop arguing and post more dead people god damn.
>>28900101
>So what? Someone who isn't the absolute top tier at something is worthless? Do you think everyone under 7' is short, because people above that line exist? It's the same logic.
No I think everyone who is under 6'1" is short. When you are better than 95% or 96% doesn't make that much difference.
>Stephen Hawkins can't walk yet we still find him incredibly valuable for his contributions to science. He's also married.
And still he is a cripple. If he wasn't things would have been much easier for him. Also his problems started exhibiting later in life. So he actually achieved the most while being relatively healthy.
>Because I feel that doing that is worthwhile
And if you don't, you get brainwashed by therapy into thinking it is. Lovely.
>it's an incredibly selfish way to see the world, and it also validates everyone who's ever treated you badly
Not really. They started it. I'm just retaliating. Treating someone like shit until he snaps and then shouting
>hurr he snapped which means we were justified in treating him baddly
is retarded. Even you should be able to understand that.
>You just went "nuh-uh" to something that refutes your claim that depressed people are right, and essentially proves it wrong.
I just don't know shit about CBT. And don't care. Never have.
>Doctors aren't instruments of some conspiracy dedictated to forcing you to work
Then why do they want me to abandon my though processes even if they make sense?
>>28900065
>Why? If you are not a 10/10 you would have a harder time doing anything
Wow, so being a 10/10 makes me able to do complicated mathematic equations? That's pretty impressive anon, that looks impact that sort of stuff. Explains why Bill gates is known for his incredible good looks too.
>Ever heard of halo effect?
Yes, and it's completely irrelevant. Someone treating someone else better based on a disputed study that simply said we attribute more attractive features to more attractive people we haven't met doesn't mean if you're unattractive people will hate and scorn you.
>I know how unlucky I am. I fail at pretty much everything.
Good for you, your life story doesn't impact the discussion at hand. You are not everyone, and it's clear you're not even trying to maintain any level of success.
>That's just-world fallacy you are exhibiting.
http://www.thomasjstanley.com/2014/05/america-where-millionaires-are-self-made/
Here's the source I was talking about, I guess all these guys were just really lucky, right? Just going "lol you're wrong" doesn't change anything. There also isn't a just world fallacy, you just made that up, it's a just world hypothesis that I'm not necessarily even arguing for, I admitted luck had a factor.
>If I get up and try, I still fail. I've tried.
If you try to get up once, fail, and then bitch about how it's impossible to get up, then you're just being retarded, yes.
>>28892144
>for reasons nobody knows of
Her friends and family knew. They just didn't care.
>>28900186
>Also his problems started exhibiting later in life. So he actually achieved the most while being relatively healthy.
"Hawking has a rare early-onset, slow-progressing form of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)"
shit started when he was still in college.
>>28900186
>No I think everyone who is under 6'1" is short
No but anon, you see, there's lots of people taller so therefore people who are 6'1 are short and should just kill themselves.
> If he wasn't things would have been much easier for him
Probably not, no, a lot of his fame came from his status as a cripple. And he was still a student when he became a cripple, so no, he hadn't achieved the most at that point.
>And if you don't, you get brainwashed by therapy into thinking it is.
Holy shit, there's no point talking to you. I've explained how therapy works, and you're just insisting on going "nuh-uh, it's brainwashing you!". Why do you argue with people if you're unwilling to ever change your point of view?
>Not really. They started it. I'm just retaliating.
You completely misunderstood what I said. You claimed that we shouldn't do good deeds because others haven't done good deeds to us. My point was that, in that world, someone treating me like shit means I am justified in treating you like shit, and no-one should ever treat anyone well at all.
>I just don't know shit about CBT. And don't care. Never have.
Maybe don't fucking argue about how useless it is then if you don't even know what it is? You're just spouting shit about a topic you've now admitted you don't even know anything about. CBT is what therapy is for most people.
>Then why do they want me to abandon my though processes even if they make sense?
Because they fucking don't make sense. You've argued for circular logic now, you've argued about the quality of things you don't even know anything about, you've simultaneously argued that if you aren't the best you're shit, and that you don't have to be the best to be good, just way above average. You arguments are full of flaws, and constantly contradict each other. That's why they don't make sense and doctor attempt to teach you to learn how to decide which thoughts are rational one Note, I'm not saying they go "This is rational/irrational"
>>28900193
>Wow, so being a 10/10 makes me able to do complicated mathematic equations?
Not but you can get more money and be more liked than people who can but aren't attractive.
>Someone treating someone else better based on a disputed study that simply said we attribute more attractive features to more attractive people we haven't met doesn't mean if you're unattractive people will hate and scorn you.
They will treat you worse compared to someone attractive.
>You are not everyone, and it's clear you're not even trying to maintain any level of success.
Gee I wonder what that means.
>Here's the source I was talking about, I guess all these guys were just really lucky, right? Just going "lol you're wrong" doesn't change anything. There also isn't a just world fallacy, you just made that up, it's a just world hypothesis that I'm not necessarily even arguing for, I admitted luck had a factor.
Your source is worthless. It's what one guy says. A single opinion. Not even peer-reviewed.
>If you try to get up once, fail, and then bitch about how it's impossible to get up, then you're just being retarded, yes.
But many people who got lucky don't fall so many times like me. They have it easier.
>>28900267
>No but anon, you see, there's lots of people taller so therefore people who are 6'1 are short and should just kill themselves.
But when you are taller than 80% shit doesn't matter as much. You should be able to understand that. If you are 6'9" there aren't too many reasons to be angry at 7' people because you will win. There is so few people who are better than you, it doesn't need to bother you. But if you are under average height like me, most people you see are better than you. That's the difference.
>Why do you argue with people if you're unwilling to ever change your point of view?
Has it ever occured to you that I'm unwilling to change because you're not really making good points?
>>28898089
tfw tried shitloads of psychedelics and still probably going to dock my tail
>>28900267
>You completely misunderstood what I said. You claimed that we shouldn't do good deeds because others haven't done good deeds to us. My point was that, in that world, someone treating me like shit means I am justified in treating you like shit, and no-one should ever treat anyone well at all.
That's how it is.
>CBT is what therapy is for most people.
And therapy is brainwashing.
>you've simultaneously argued that if you aren't the best you're shit
That's how it is.
>and that you don't have to be the best to be good, just way above average
There is a difference between being batter than vast majority(95%) and being above average.
There's some qt girls on this site, but this girl made me feel. Died at 16, damn that's sad no matter what the gender. It always makes me wonder what could happen in someone's life to make them kill themselves at such an early age.People say teenagers just act irrationally and in the moment, but I don't think so, I think to make a permanent decision like that at such an early age, something really awful had to happen, or you have given up all hope. It's honestly a little bit scary
>>28900391
>Not but you can get more money and be more liked than people who can but aren't attractive.
Prove it.
>They will treat you worse compared to someone attractive.
Prove it.
>Gee I wonder what that means.
Exactly what I said?
>Your source is worthless. It's what one guy says. A single opinion. Not even peer-reviewed.
Did you even read it? He links to several studies, and I mentioned a forbes article, but 4chan is fucking retarded and that's the only link I could post without getting flagged as spam.
>But many people who got lucky don't fall so many times like me. They have it easier.
Says who? You're making assumptions about their lives based on your own preconceived notions.
>But when you are taller than 80% shit doesn't matter as much.
And most people aren't 10/10 rich model tier looking guys with huge dicks and great bodies. In fact, I'd argue that 99.9999% of the population isn't, probably even more. Yet you've argued that if you aren't,there's no reason trying.
You've just made up an arbitrary number here, and it doesn't fit with the rest of your ideology. Why in height do you only need to be a bit above average to be adequate (somehow, I don't see how anything above average can be considered short), yet in other fields you need to have incredibly easy success to be worth anything? It makes no sense.
>Has it ever occured to you that I'm unwilling to change because you're not really making good points?
No, because when I completely refuted one of your points, you just went "well I don't care" and continued to argue against a strawman of what therapy really is.
>>28900569
>Prove it.
Halo effect.
>Prove it.
Halo effect.
>Says who? You're making assumptions about their lives based on your own preconceived notions.
No, by observing their lives.
>Yet you've argued that if you aren't,there's no reason trying.
There is no reason to try for most people.
>It makes no sense.
Neither do you.
>No, because when I completely refuted one of your points, you just went "well I don't care" and continued to argue against a strawman of what therapy really is.
I don't give a shit about CBT. I know what is is from talking with people who undertook it. And these were the people who said it "helped" them. That's enough for me.
>>28900458
>That's how it is.
Well then fuck, what are you complaining about? You just said you agree that others are justified in treating you badly. Stop acting like it's all so unfair if you think it's okay to be that way.
>And therapy is brainwashing.
Are you actually retarded? Like, I'm not even insulting you here, this is an actual question. I've given you a relatively detailed explanation of what CBT is, and how it's clearly not brainwashing, and then you've just gone "it's brainwashing" as a response. Are you somehow incapable of arguing beyond just "nuh-uh"? Can you just not read very well? Are you just some elaborate baiter? Let me know what's going on anon, because I'm legitimately confused here.
>That's how it is.
So then if you aren't 7'+ you're short, according to you?
>>28900632
>Stop acting like it's all so unfair if you think it's okay to be that way.
It's unfair. It justifies me being angry and hateful.
>it's clearly not brainwashing
Says you.
>So then if you aren't 7'+ you're short, according to you?
Never said that. Also it's obviously useless arguing concrete numbers. Every human understand the principle of inferiority intuitively.
>>28900607
>Halo effect.
Doesn't say what you're claiming in the slightest, as I already said, all it states (and it's heavily disputed) is that we attribute good features to good looking people we haven't met. Not that you make more money or are treated badly if you're ugly.
>No, by observing their lives.
Please, as if you're so close with a sufficient number of successful people to say that they don't fail as much as you do, that's a lie anon.
>There is no reason to try for most people.
And here we come back to why? Because you don't see them as good enough? Most people do.
>Neither do you.
Fuck anon, sick ass burn.
>I don't give a shit about CBT. I know what is is from talking with people who undertook it
CBT is therapy. You're arguing about therapy without any real knowledge of what it is, and flat out saying you don't care. No, some anecdotes from people who went through it doesn't count as knowledge of what it is, the same as asking a person about chemo doesn't make you qualified to talk about the efficiency of it. If you don't even know what something is or how it works, you have absolutely no place in talking about it, because you just look dumb.
Please stop posting these threads. Every time I see one it delays my suicide longer because I think about my parents and little brother crying. But I don't want to live anymore.
>>28900660
>It's unfair. It justifies me being angry and hateful.
How can you argue for a system while also saying it's unfair and causes you pain?
>Says you.
Says the facts of how it works, retard.
>Never said that. Also it's obviously useless arguing concrete numbers
You said if you aren't the best, you're shit. So if you aren't amongst the tallest people alive, you're short, it stands to reason. Or does your logic only apply arbitrarily where you decide that it does?
>>28896111
I see I'm not the only one who tried to look up Eric Harris.
>>28900673
>Not that you make more money or are treated badly if you're ugly.
Well if you are not good looking then people don't attribute good features to you. Are you saying that doesn't mean you are being treated baddly if people think you're worse?
>Please, as if you're so close with a sufficient number of successful people to say that they don't fail as much as you do, that's a lie anon.
I've been in high school and uni. I've seen my fair share of Chads.
>And here we come back to why? Because you don't see them as good enough? Most people do.
It's not about seeing someone as good enough. It's about objectively not being good enough.
>If you don't even know what something is or how it works, you have absolutely no place in talking about it, because you just look dumb.
You're just trying to trap me now. To know anything about CBT I would have to try it. But these things would then be on my record as being treated for mental illness. Typical normie trap trying to make me show weakness.
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>>28900702
>How can you argue for a system while also saying it's unfair and causes you pain?
Because I can't change it. All I can do is spite some people who treated me like shit.
>Says the facts of how it works, retard.
That's just your opinion.
>You said if you aren't the best, you're shit. So if you aren't amongst the tallest people alive, you're short, it stands to reason. Or does your logic only apply arbitrarily where you decide that it does?
So if my logic is wrong. How is it? Seems like you're trying to create a crutch(like most people) so you don't have to admit inferiority. Just lol at you.
