Welcome back Ladies and Gentlemen to (probably) the longest ongoing quest on /qst/ with an astounding 15 recorded days of playtime so far!
Sarsarrum Karna the Liberator or Karna the Conqueror depending on who you ask, has sent out settlers, warriors and merchants to found 6 new cities on the fringes of Hindustan to spread our culture deep into these new territories and encourage the Hindus to adopt it.
Additionally, to prevent any further outside influences on our culture, Sarsarrum Karna has increased the time for compulsory education.
10 years for boys from age 10 to 20
4 years for girls from age 8 to 12
2 additional years after that for unwed and childless women from age 18 to 20
Education is also standardized to prevent educational gaps between different people from different parts of the Empire.
Due to the Carthaginian Exile of the Royal family during Hellenic occupation the Sarsarrum has learned about Stirrups, a small device attached to a horses' armor to give riders stability, enabling even heavy infantry to ride them safely.
The Stirrup is introduced in our Army, but not only that, we put them on all horses, making messengers travel much easier.
With this, a new road-system is put under construction within the heartland of the Empire, specifically for Horse-based messengers, who deliver messages to checkpoints , from which a new messenger keeps the delivery going until either the next checkpoint or it's destination.
Also, a road network in Hindustan is put under construction, to not only include the new Messenger ways, but also our 20ft broad Roads for commoners and the Army.
Since our Empire is so expansive, the Sarsarrum has figured that the only way for us to maintain is, is a high emphasis on mobility.
For this purpose, Karna has ordered his court-scholars and mathematicians to research new methods of transportation and how to maximize the speed with which we can relay messages across the Empire.
Thusfar, everything is stable, primarily due to the victory spirit going through the Empire right now, sooner or later however, some subjects might become discontent with the Empire, be it us being foreign occupators, or simply not able to meet all the societal demands. These things will gnaw at our stability.
How will we proceed from here?
>>199755
bulid new cities in persia
oh yeah also we have 6 new cities in India that I mentioned in the post, they're unnamed so we need 6 names.
Try to spread the ideals of our state in all of our territories. Every man, woman and child should be taught of how much their empire loves them, and how the world beyond our borders is barbaric. Teach them what they are being given. Beyond this, to assist both our military and our sense of national unity, summon the best professional soldiers from each and every one of our territories to form an honour guard for the Sarsarrum. When they return home, bedecked in medallioned armour, they will be rich and respected, able to spread their own gradual indoctrination out to the people. If every man in the empire has seen one of the Sarsarrum's swords, has heard of the greatness and power of the veritable god in Thumim, then either he will be too impressed to oppose him, or too terrified to do the same. Gradually our system of education will unify these people. Perhaps individual cultures will remain, but every group will eventually have a loyalist section.
Also, have the Sarsarrum tour the Empire in it's entirety, make every group feel special, part of a whole.
>>199767
>and how the world beyond our borders is barbaric.
>Maybe, we have misjudged the Carthaginians.
While they don't appear to be the most honorable of people, they do seem fairly civilized.
>The Sarsarrum, is showing some respect for Carthage and has acknowledged them as a civilized people.
Like Egypt before them, they are the only speck of civilization outside of the Empire, and almost equal to us in their elegance and superiority over the Barbarians.
>>199774
most of the world
>>199774
A mistake on my part. Almost all of the world beyond our borders, in that case.
>>199766
>6 new cities in India
Hellenic influences: Integrate "polis" (town), "neos" (new) into city names
Tuskarpolis, Neos Namek, Zarkpolis, Daropolis, Neos Delhi, Karnapolis
>>199767
Yes, unify our people more. The elite should strongly subscribe to our main culture. And the education of the masses will carry it further.
Does our Indian land touch borders with our original land?
>>199791
yes
pay attention to the eastern border of the map
>>199795
Dope. We should invest some coin into establishing a government-run system where citizens can have written letters sent to anywhere in the Empire at a much faster speed than if someone else were to deliver it.
>>199796
We're not into the whole rich privilege thing in the Empire, primarily because our values developed out of poverty, famine and the occasional barbarian invasion, so we try to make everyone benefit from everything, to keep the Empire together and not create parallel societies.
come on guys some more names for me to pick from for the new cities please?
>>199825
Thuma, Karn, Laeta, Menanda, Libe, Mollet, Toltem, Tol-Memphi, Tol-Acchie, Bengan, Ur-Bengal, Heraklellu.
As part of the new standardized Education, Sarsarrum Karna introduces Patriotic Education.
Which are essentially just lessons of history, but with strong and subtle propaganda thrown in there, for the commoners all over the Empire, to feel part of something greater.
To support this feeling, our Sarsarrum has planned out a travel schedule, he will dedicate 5 years to travel one quarter of the Empire, and in between he stays rooted for 3 years in the Capital, so that in the future even the most short-lived of Sarsarrums will have circled the Empire at least once in their life time.
The Sarsarrum wants this feeling of unity present especially in the Army however, thus he introduces an honorary ranking system in the Empire, which promotes greater Heroism among our Warriors.
Special deeds earn them special Medals, each of grants them slightly more Authority than an average Warrior.
This way, common Warriors have the ability to rise all the way to the top of the military structure as Supreme Sarerimhas, who outrank the regular ones due to their various achievements.
A Supreme Sarerimha can be promoted even further however by an additional Rank, which requires at least one of 3 very special Medal.
One the Sarsarrum himself has to give out to the bravest and most skilled of warriors in all of Humanity.
Either the "Hero of Mankind", "Warrior of Heaven" or - the prestigious of them all - "Light of Civilization" Medal.
The Hero of Mankind medal can be awarded to anyone who does an out-standing service to Humanity, one equal to or greater than that of the Sarsarrum himself. It can even be awarded to people who aren't warriors.
The Warrior of Heaven medal can only be received by Warriors who, when faced with a hopeless situation, have proudly sacrificed themselves, for the greater good of Mankind.
Receivers of this Honor however, rarely survive, rendering the reward even greater while still alive.
Last but not least, the Light of Civilization Medal, an honor worthy of a God. It can only be awarded to someone, who through their effort, genius and selflessness, have extended the life-span of the Empire beyond expiration.
Anyone who single-handedly saved the Empire from either collapse or conquest, is eligible to be awarded this Medal. It can only be given out by the Sarsarrum if he has the full support of the priesthood to do so.
This Medal is proof, that the receiver is nothing short of a Heaven sent Angel.
What will our glorious Sarsarrum Karna do next?
>>199874
So, is our old religion dead?
>>199874
Our Empire is mighty, it is supreme, and it is our duty to spread the glory of mankind. The world as we know it is almost all ours, but much of it is uncharted. What lies east of India, north of Persia, South of Punt? We must send explorers south and east, we must spread stories of our great power, of our glory among the barbarians beyond the world's edge.Perhaps we may rouse them to our service, bring the light of civilization to them.
Beyond this, we must simply learn further. The philosophers of Greece eclipse our own, and this cannot continue. Socrates, Aristotle and Plato were all Mycenean, who do we have to match them? We may rule supreme, but we must become enlightened too. We may not simply rest on our laurels. We must know why the world is as it is. Support universities in our cities, support philosophy, and send investigators to the schools of Aristotle and Plato in Mycenae.
Sorry lads, I have to go, preparing for exams next week, so I'm leaving early.
I'll continue tomorrow.
>>199874
We got science, time to explore the possiblities of better medicines
>>199933
any time set when?
>>199995
Supported.
>>199995
We should try to develop loos
>>200754
sewers then?
I created a rough full map. It's too large to actually use to show cities and such but I wanted to make something to show the full size of our empire in one image.
>>201299
Thanks for the map overview! Truly large empire :)
>>201299
Arabia irritates me. I feel as if that should be a project to come.
We should start sending out missionaries to spread the word of our glorious faith and culture to the barbarians. Also the missionaries have a side quest to try and discover any burgeoning civilisations snd report back to us.
>>199911
this
>>201299
I emphasize that we should not dwell any deeper inside Africa. Romans did not attempt to and they were absolutely right in doing so.
>>202597
It's a dangerous game but I do agree with this.
>>204401
The last thing we need is AIDS or malaria. We are the world's most populous country, and it's probably a breeding ground for STDs.
I think we should finish civilizing India, at least vassalize Arabia, and start colonizing the islands in the Indian Ocean. Plus, explore outwards into Asia, meet the only civilization that even stands a chance of matching us in China, and start the spice trade early.
>>205011
Certainly, not to mention that meeting china will grant us access to some truly impressive knowledge.
Their feats of mechanical engineering were unmatched in certain areas for an extended period. Imagine what we could do with such knowledge!
ok sorry for the long wait guys, I kinda had shit to do.
The Sarsarrum has decided that now, in times of safety, the Empire should be getting more aware of barbarians at the gates.
In order to do so, he has sent out several expeditions into the world.
A grand-expedition to the South into the uncharted parts of Egypt.
A grand-expedition to the East, into the uncharted parts of Asia
A grand-expedition to the West, into the vast Oceans.
And a grand-expedition to the North, beyond the Caucasus and Hellas.
At the same time, some of the research into mobility has actually paid off.
Mathematicians have figured out, that the contact between a wheel and the ground , causes heat, similar to when you rub your hands.
This friction slows down wooden wheels significantly and damages them badly over time.
So they did the maths and came to the conclusion, that a rounder wheel causes less friction, but also that Steel is much smoother than wood.
So they came up with new methods of transportation for messengers - Delivery Chariots.
They have 3 wheels of Steel.
2 at the sides and 1 in the middle that is attached to a lever , that can turn the wheel to either left or right, to give the messengers more control over the Chariot itself.
Each Chariot is made of simple wood, reinforced by Steel , and carried by 2 Horses.
Who, have been given a sort of horse-shoe made of Steel, since our Mathematicians figured, if Wheels and hands cause friction, then feet must do the same and concluded that Horses should get steel shoes for greater mobility.
And it works.
After introducing the system , message exchange speed has increased by more than 40%.
Though, the increased mobility has immediately shown it's draw-backs.
New diseases have found their ways into the Empire more easily because of this.
These new diseases have both Philosophers and Doctors in uproar.
Doctors are questioning whether we can even treat these new diseases, while Philosophers question the whole concept of us being the light of all civilization.
They are also influenced by the philosophical ideas of the Hellens (greeks), who seem to be making huge advancements in this particular field of Science, that way surpass our own.
Although the current rise of philosophical thought in the Empire suggests otherwise.
It is uncertain when our Expeditions will return, but the Doctors fear that they will bring back even more diseases.
The entire Scholastic community of the Empire, is shitting itself over the recent events.
The Sarsarrum isn't sure whether Scientists being in uproar is a good thing or a bad thing, but he does know that something will get done because of it, and that in his mind, is enough to please the Gods and end this wave of disease and sickness soon.
We're kind of running low on money since no one in the Empire is able to work all that much, thanks to the current wave of disease.
What are we going to do?
>>205162
>vaccines
Nigga it's 290 BC, all we have is some fucking herbs and the basics of operations.
>>205162
This. Work on sewage networks and bathing, quarantine the returning explorers.
>>205137
Well, I would suggest we get the best and brightest in the medical field together and have them tackle these disease one at a time. They shall be assisted in these efforts by those whom have survived the disease and gained immunity.
To prevent further spreading, institute greater awareness of the symptoms of the diseases and also improve public cleanliness where possible.
Advise people to avoid physical closeness with infected, to only travel when it needed or an emergency and also to avoid use of courtesans.
Lastly for those known to be infected, begin establishing quarantined districts and cities. Internally they shall function the same but they will lack physical closeness with anyone from outside their walls.
This should isolate the infected, gather those capable of treating it and slow the spread across our empire.
>>205182
see, this guy gets how pre-industrial epidemics work.
>>205182
this
>>205179
well explain how we would get the idea for sewage systems and I'll consider it.
>>205182
now this is medical schooling 101
>>205185
Thanks, I know how to prevent this sort of shit thanks to vague knowledge of the subject.
Also most of that is standard conduct; isolate (the district plan), investigate (the medical expert gathering, kinda primitive CDC), inform (courtesans and info about disease), identify and treat.
The only other thing to advise would be a risky plan B, C and D but those would only work if this turns into a situation like that prior to the fire of London or similar.
Those plans being;
Plan B; Start fires in infected zones to cleanse the population, eliminate possible vectors of spreading and infection.
Plan C; Evacuate all non-infected, grab all the valuables and wait ten years. Either they are dead or immune.
Plan D; Pray to god and institute kill on site policy.
>>205221
>Plan D
Sounds pretty Imperium of Man. I approve.
>>205190
The idea of sewers could come from the ruins of the Indus Valley civilization, or from Krete, orm from Athens. All three had simple sewage systems, and Athens had some indoor plumbing. The Sarsarrum could be having hot water piped into his washroom for a shower if he desired. The technology is there, and we happen to own or directly border all of the places it does exist in.
>>205326
>sewers
The Sarsarrum saw nomads throw trash into a river, which carried it all away, leaving clean land - so he wanted an indoor river which developed into sewers over time?
>Indus Valley civilization
Our libraries should contain their knowledge - makes sense that some old tomb should contain something about sewers.
I'd also bring up the nature of our northern borders, and the vastness of them, particularly east of the Caspian. That's steppe country, and we all know what comes from the steppes and has a habit of overthrowing empires...
>>205526
We have a plan to deal with them, don't you worry.
We plan on building a series of interconnected, highly advanced and strategically placed forts. (Maybe a great wall?)
To stall their advance as they can't move past them for fear of their force being surrounded or their supply lines being cut off (ignoring that the Mongols lack any)! Not to mention the fact that we can just move our huge army north to semi-literally coat the border with troops.
Just to point out the sheer magnitude of our forces, we rule over around 78% of Humanity, if we mobilized half of our male population as levies we could raise 39% of the earth's male population. We can win any war of attrition. We could easily build a ramp over any wall with corpses without denting our manpower. We are truly the empire of Mankind. Even with two percent of our population serving in the military we have enough men to outnumber the mythical Persian force at Thermopylae.
>>205558
Yeah consider the following : we have a road network more advanced than Rome, specifically because of how huge the Empire is and that it is almost entirely land based, without the ability to sail from 1 end to the other.
>>205634
When you put it that way it is rather hard to believe that we haven't just accidentally conquered everything north of us. In a sort of passive "fuck you I am going to go found my own town who's with me?" sort of way.
>>205641
That is because, as advanced as we may be, 70% of our population is either a peasant farmer or all-purpose worker.
>>205641
There's not a whole lot to the north of us - endless steppe. The only valuable thing about that land is its people; the horsemen of the steppes could prove to be a formidable cavalry force in our armies.
The last time I contributed to this thread we had conquered Persia and set up a new standers religion with I think Gilgamesh the Ceaseless as our Emperor. Where can I find the info of what has happened since?
>>205657
We finished off with most of india under our control, worked on unifying our people and are now dealing with pandemics.
Over all though things are just getting better.
>>205641
I correct my earlier statement, we could easily outnumber Xerxes army, but not with 2%. I'm sure our culture is disseminating outwards rather quickly, but the burned remnants of Persia are good for settlers.
>>205670
as we speak I'm updating the big log
aka Saga.png
that contains all update posts ever made.
The previous thread is still missing in it.
We should build iniverisites in as many cities of the empire as possible. This will provide a large civil project for citizens to work on and further our knowledge. How Is our National Library doing? How is trade with China? We need gunpowder to keep control.
>>205686
spelling correction *universities.
Also these colleges could research disease prevention
>>205686
No China yet.
There are universities, most of them clustered around the first Great Library in Thumim.
There's another 1 in Tutankaia.
1 in Memphis, a leftover of Egypt.
Then there's a University INSIDE the second Great Library in Tuskar, and a small one in Ecbatana , built by the Persians.
>>205698
China is also in the tail end of the Warring States period in 290 BC, but Qin is the dominant power
>>205698
Then we should try to make more universities in cities across the empire, this creates jobs and learning. We could gear them towards plague research. Just think, an entire empire worth of intellectuals that researches something on the Emperors command
>>205720
Nah, that only makes higher education less worth and worthless (see what I did there?).
People will have higher standards for jobs and suddenly a chunk of the economy will just fly out the window, since no one can meet these ridiculous new standards anymore and we have an entire population of systemic failures who will never achieve anything productive with their redundant education.
Labor will become so expensive we will run into all sorts of economic and societal problems.
It will be worse than what's going on today.
>>205738
So you mean the problems we are experiencing in some areas in real life. Well simple solution, we establish trade-schools that educate people in practical skills.
>>205738
Have we decided on a decision yet, and if not- what are the options?
>>205744
guilds bruh
I do believe we decided on this >>205182
Since ya know, we're having kind of a problem with epidemics right now.
>>205756
I have back-up plans also but they are kind of extreme ways of dealing with a minor problem.
>>205738
Well make it so that not everybody can get into these colleges, only those that are talented. We wont let a farmer come and learn physics, but we will teach him better farming techniques
>>205756
I will add to this by suggesting we fund the construction of a giant pillar-shaped building called The Clinac.
The size of our biggest monuments, it will basically be a bunch of cells and labs rooms to hold sick people and study cures.
>>205776
but that's what we do already.
The boys who are good at school, can go to university and learn whatever they feel most comfortable with, which due to the time we live in, isn't a whole lot.
You have Mathematics, which also includes physics and engineering just for the sheer lack of information on them.
Then you have Philosophy and Theology , essentially opposing fields of study, both of which include Astronomy and Social Sciences , again due to sheer lack of knowledge.
Then you have Alchemy , which is about - you guessed it - chemistry , but also biology, geology and medicine.
Then we have History , that is entirely self explanatory , nothing funky going on here.
Next we have Warfare, that includes Sports , some assets of Mathematics , geography , cartography , the basics of sailing , the basics of combat (weapon of choice) , amd the basics of riding (animal of choice)
Last but not least Linguistics , again nothing funky going on here.
checking in
Sarsarrum Karna makes use of the few resources he still has left, to fight this wave of disease.
He gives general order across the Empire to every Alchemist, to find people who are not affected by the disease for whatever reason, and find out why.
After that, he orders all cities where the disease has spread be put under quarantine.
Alchemists all across the Empire make even the last people, oblivious to this crisis, aware of the symptoms of the diseases.
People are advised to visit their nearest public Thermae at least once every day.
Private Thermae are forced open to the uninfected public by the order of the Sarsarrum.
Travel is limited for infected only from one quarantined city to another. Uninfected cannot travel to any quarantined cities.
Our Alchemists have identified the 2 diseases that have made their way into the Empire and found a treat.
A tincture made of incense, lemon peel, cinnamon and beer seem to weaken the disease significantly, when rubbed across a person's body, enough for the infected to recover within just 2 weeks time, while getting treated once a day with this tincture.
With the disease now under control, the Quarantines are ended and all infected who survived are treated with the cure.
The diseases have taken a great toll, over 20 thousand people have died because of them.
A memorial statue is erected in Babylon to remember the poor souls that didn't make it.
a feeling of change is in the air
What is this medicine called?
>>207106Uncle Sarsarrums cure-it-all, Lemon flavoured
antibiotica? medicine names are hard to figure out without knowing the exact disease name
>>207130
truth the told I have no fucking clue which disease just hit us there, I just made some bullshit up.
The idea behind the cure however is, that the Beer component disinfects the patient because alcohol , and the rest is kinda just random shit I've thrown in there.
>>207137
Flu Syrup, medicae influenca
Thanks to the Flu-syrup, the Empire is now healthy again.
Though something interesting happened in the infected cities.
Local Alchemists who were infected themselves, kept records of people who were less prone to getting infected and noted all of the reasons they could possibly find.
Infections appeared to be less common in the desert and Hindustan, where people wore clothing that covered their mouths and noses, which might explain why no active soldier was ever infected.
In another city, a group of scientists who tried dealing with the infection, discovered that people living near rivers where more prone to getting infected, while at the same time recovered faster from it.
So much faster in fact, that they were already cured by the time Flu-syrup was invented.
This has lead the Alchemists in the group to assume, that a reliable out-flow of trash and excrement, while slightly contributing to the spread of disease, also significantly reduces their deadliness, by removing potential infection sources.
With this knowledge, a skilled Mathematician from the same group, has devised a sort of city-intern canal system which is supposed to carry all the waste of a city, out into a large cesspool outside the city.
The Plan is to periodically clean the Cesspool once it is filled, for the waste to be carried into the infertile desert.
He makes his way for Thumim to suggest his plan to the Sarsarrum, now that the crisis is over.
Sarsarrum Karna is visibly disgusted by this idea, but approves of it for the sake of his subjects.
He makes some minor adjustments to the plan however.
To make the trash-heap in the desert that is about to be created this way, less of an eye-sore, he wants it sealed off, by putting a layer of dirt , followed by a layer of sand , on top of every City-cesspool emptied into the desert.
We go and conquer a strip of uninhabited desert that a local bedouin tribe has laid claim to for whatever reason.
The future City-cesspools are supposed to be emptied here.
Karna eventually dies and his son takes over.
Decades pass and the Sewer systems have spread from city to city across the Empire.
The majority of our Urban population have access to toilets , public baths have been adapted to include sewers and toilets, to wash out all the dirt that usually gets into the pools.
The Legacy of Karna is a healthy one, but also disgusting at the same time.
The explorers he sent out returned home with a supposedly "complete map of the world", just to find a small hill of trash in the middle of the desert.
Our people have dubbed it , the big heap.
(a disgust for the ages)
What will our people do next?
>>207305
What did the explorers find beyond the edges of the world? Record everything they tell us in the great libraries. Beyond this, construct new libraries in every major regional city, copying a smaller corpus of books from our larger libraries into them. We are certainly unable to build a great library in every city, but at least a library of some magnitude in every regional center may be achieved.
(I wonder what our literacy rate is at right now)
>>207398
Agreed. Also, if literacy is low, then let's have reading be mandatory to learn.
>>207398
it's nearly 100% because we have compulsory education for boys AND girls.
also there are libraries everywhere else, one of the first things we did when we started becoming an Empire, was build libraries in every city and no King or Emperor has ever changed that.
Even the smallest village has at the very least 1 library.
This high literacy and education standard in our Empire, is the reason we're so successful in the first place.
Consider this : We've had steel for 1000 years.
Running water for 800 years
Compulsory education for - get this - 1600 years
I just don't want us to absolutely steamroll everything , in addition to the rise of the west restrictions , that we aren't building steam powered ship already.
>>207511
See the thing is OP we aren't in the position for steam power to be useful. For steam to be useful, mechanical machines must be made along the lines of a spinning machine for thread or an auto-hammer for metal. For those to occur their must be highly advanced metal working and an understanding of mechanical energy transfer to replace labour.
Not to mention a want for a way to replace labour and a established rich business / merchant caste whom can afford to buy and build such machines.
These are traditionally powered by the wind, water or animals and are in fact what drove the industrial revolution until steam power became far more efficient. They only occurred however as production became increasingly centralised into certain buildings owned, not by craftsman, but rather by rich "factory" owners.
So if you want to stop us developing industrial machines;
1) Keep production local and small scale to stop centralisation.
2) Make sure the rich don't invest in manufacturing or those who do aren't rich enough to afford the setup cost of mechanisation.
3) Keep labour cheap and the previous stage is unneeded.
4) Don't let us develop gearing and such ideas.
>>207647
I was using hyperbole here to explain the situation.
But since you're on the topic of it already
3 is already in effect , since all of our advanced shit is based on the sheer amount of workers we have.
Workers that cost almost nothing to pay.
Our Empire has straight up factories, where people work all day and night for low wages, producing Bronze and Steel to keep the Empire going.
The reason we have these, is because of Egypt.
Ancient Egypt had so many workers that they just straight up went out and built factories, that relied 100% on manpower to function.
They mass produced Bronze with that shit, and so do we, in addition to Steel.
back to the point though : Ridiculous as the Empire may be, I was simply exaggerating.
Look at China - historically - they have been ahead of us and everyone else really, for the entirety of their History, so why didn't they kick off the industrial revolution before us? Exactly because of that.
They were the best, they had no one to compete against, no one that gave them any kind of incentive to make "big" technological leaps forward, they just steadily and slowly progressed as they always had, and that in general was faster by default than what everyone else was doing, because of their massive population.
I keep mentioning time and time again, how we are the middle-eastern equivalent of China, and that has a reason.
Because we develop exactly like China, so sooner or later, the west will eventually try and find a way to be better than us, while we just don't give a fuck for all this low-tier barbarian trash calling their petty tribes "Empires", until reality drop-kicks us in the face.
And even then, even in the face of being outclassed by barbarians, we will still be fucking superior in everything but machinery, because we never stopped being the best.
which is, as I said earlier, exactly what happened to China.
TL;DR : Nigga it's just dramatic hyperbole
Well then, We sort of just need to fix our economy and put more resources in the hands of the Sarsarrum. Our emperor may be god-like and glorious, but he can't manage 78% of mankind efficiently on his own, even with his corps of Enalu. I propose we set up a bureaucratic caste in society, those men who went to universities and studied economics being drawn together in provincial capitals and used to regulate internal trade, to manage the interests of the Sarsarrum, and to deal with the general prosperity of the Empire. We already have the Enalu, but more bureaucratic oversight cannot be harmful.
>>207739
That is my point, for the time being at least we aren't suited on a cultural level for an industrial revolution.
However that doesn't mean we won't learn it from others when it does occur or even have it occur naturally right now. It is just too unlikely though for us to consider.
However you raise an interesting point, we have advanced steadily but I get the feeling we might meet our match with the Romans, for a time at least. Assuming we don't advance our armies or expand too much larger.
>>207793
See the thing is though early societies manage themselves pretty well all things considered. Mostly because there was less to keep track of; the tax system was simpler; there were fewer laws and regulations. Generally speaking you just let things happen in an organised way and correct any mistakes, mostly by application of guards or money to the afflicted area.
>>207808
I'm really unsure of what to do. We're enlightened, we're more powerful than anyone else, we've got basically everything we need. Maybe try to dominate the Indian Ocean trade network? That'd be profitable, and put us into competition with China for trade with Malaysia and Africa. Construct trade cities along the coasts.
Hey, we could try to construct a wonder of the world. A Pyramid or a Ziggurat or something.
>>207823
>>207827
I am of the opinion we should attempt to become the great "forgotten civilisation" sort of thing. I want us to have our own Atlantis, our own terracotta army and our own city of gold.
As to more reasonable goals, we have as of yet to stablish standardised units of measurement, to create an order of medics (to assist in the prevention of further diseases becoming a risk), we could also create a new royal palace (maybe a royal boat-house?) or to colonise the last bits of India.
>>207872
I 'd be up for that. We don't really have any major challenges on the way until Rome
>>207793
We have a complex bureaucratic system in place already.
Knight -> City manager -> Manager Manager -> Chancellor + Grand Council + Court Advisors -> Emperor
>>208109
I am thinking the island south of the Indian mainland, we should turn that into some sort of royal super-city, wonder emporium, technological goldmine, etc.
Just imagine the entire island before it is even colonised, designed to be a perfect city, fort and factory!
Also ideas for additional projects;
1) Zoo in capital
2) Canals across our entire empire
3) We could attempt to make a (mechanical) computer 2000 years early. Admittedly it will be very useless but it would be an extravagant display of wealth and power
4) Forts out the ass. This'll prepare us for the Mongol invasion when it gets here.
5) A series of copies of the books in the grand library, made out of metal plates with the writing made from inlays of other metals, maybe decorated with jewels cause why not. (I.e the "paper" would be Iron and the "Ink" would be copper. Because of the colour difference. Seems like it would be a neat cultural artefact.)
So if I got this right, you guys are considering Civilization-Seppuku right now?
If yes, I might have a Scenario you enjoy.We sit on our asses for a while until the End of the 3rd Punic war, when Rome becomes the Super Power of the Mediterranean. They conquer everything in their path until they meet us. We stop them dead in their tracks, the only enemy Rome could ever call an equal. They would look up to us, describe us as equally heavenly as we describe ourselves.
We co-exist peacefully, until one day another War breaks out between us, and Rome conquers the Levant,Egypt, Mesopotamia and Anatolia. They will wonder why it was so easy, they will never find out. fast forward to 1914. World war 1 has just begun, a few decades prior, archaeologists have for the first time uncovered the remnants of our civilization, word of the Most advanced pre-industrial civilization Mankind has ever heard of spreads throughout the Ottoman Empire. Nationalist movements in India and the Middle-east all trace back their culture to this Civilization and rise up against Colonial Rule. These rebellions proclaim the reformation of a long dead Empire. The Holy Empire of Mankind emerges once again as a 3rd Party in World war 1, and they fight for their Right to dominate the Entire World.
Skip to ww2 , Germany , Neo-Rome (Italy) , Kianur and Japan , aligned against the rest of the world. Fast forward to present day, The first ever native Martian is born...his nation of Origin? The Holy Empire of Mankind. Gilgaram Bless! [/Spoiler]
>>208181
[Spoiler] Oh and the thing that killed us? Well, Archaeological evidence suggests that the fall of our Civilization, was the first ever recorded case, of Bubonic Plague. [/Spoiler]
Ok why the fuck didn't the spoiler work a 2nd time? That is retarded
>>208181
>>208194
Less so we are considering committing suicide, more so we don't want to become too overpowered and thus the only way to do "something" without becoming more powerful is to do cool things that are really ineffectual.
This is because we want to be weak enough that when the Romans come we don't just look vaguely at them and throw a few percentages of our people at them to solve it. We want it to be a close enough war to actually kick-start a sense of fear in the empire. A need to be efficient and better just in case we run into something bigger than us.
However that plot sounds really cool.
>>208181
I like this idea, if you plan to run a new civilization next. I think playing in Mexico would be an interesting challenge.
If not, I want to go as far as we can with this, even if that is only to Rome. The Rise of Islam will gut us, and then the Huns, the Mongols, the Antonine Plague and eventually the Mongols will prove challenging. It just depends on how ridiculous we are by that point.
At this point, if we want to, we can just steamroll outwards. Settle the completely unclaimed land in East Africa, settle Indonesia, Claim the North and settle all the way up to Siberia. We could march through China, we could probably settle America by 800 AD. The problem is that there's no point.
I do like the idea of just building the greatest civi8lizationt he world has ever known. Making Sri-Lanka into a humongous temple city built of gold, constructing a great golden statue of Achilles, constructing a canal between the Red Sea and Mediterranean. Give every city sewers and indoor plumbing, educate everyone, and ensure everyone lives a perfect life without any unfulfilled needs.
If we want to commit Civeppuku then we'd better leave a damn good legacy. We'll be better than Atlantis, we'd be like Plato's wet dream.
>>207305
>What will our people do next?
lets conquer rest of india
>>208284
*lets conquer the rest of india*
>>208181
>Civilization-Seppuku right now?
no
>>208279
Trust me, I have planned for the rise of Islam. It involves "Plan D" from our disease responses I composed.
Simply putRemove all Kebab
As to the rest of your post. Your damn right we are best civilisation, mostly because we have knowledge of all that shall be, can be and has been.
Also as to civeppeku, that is why I want to make the metal tomes and such. As they will outlast their makers by thousands of years.
>>208279
If we're actually going down that road, then what I'd suggest is massively overextending and moving population around.
The Archaeologists of the Future , will find a withered Statue of Gilgaram in his divine form Sarilu , in the fucking Siberian tundra, in the middle of an abandoned settlement's Townsquare.
There will be written record of Colonies in Australia that we have founded.
The Mayans will pass on tales of a Golden God from the far West and his legions of light, showering them with gifts that have their distinct cultural marks on them.
The Romans and Chinese will create their own separate fucking Atlantis myths around our People.
Tribes in the African rain forests, will worship a Statue of a Guy who looks suspiciously like one of our Emperors.
We will be everywhere , every civilization outside of the Germanic world (which is what later becomes the Western world) will have heard of and had contact with the Annunakiminites of Kianur one way or the other.
The discovery of our Legacy, will be the greatest find in all of history.
>>208315
Yes. We coat the world in gold. There will be uncontacted tribes in the Amazon discovered in the nineties who worship a suit of golden armour and speak our language. When Pizarro crosses to find gold it'll have been carved into statues of Gilgaram to meet him.
Ok guys, new side-vote then.
Do an Alexander and contribute more to humanity than we actually achieved, by being dead?
Or
Do a China and just be there all the time, sometimes more and sometimes less obscure?
>>208404
Do a China i say.
>>208404
chinannukians
>>208404
>Do an Alexander
>>208404
>404
Alexander it is.
Time to collapse in to many fragments. Like China.
>>208404
A china for now, as I want to make some things first.
>>208404
Alexander
>>208404
China
No one said we have to die right now, just that we will while still in ancient times and before any Germanic folk will ever hear of us , which means it has to be prior to the great migration in 450 AD
I say we compromise, we collapse and shit but we have warlords fighting over who gets to be Emperor like China. So we don't die forever, just temporarily.
>>208438
changed to China
>>208520
I accept this. We send out our explorers and settlers fucking everywhere, and then implode. Gilgaram's statue in Tenochtitlan, Kianurian armour found in a great pyramid in Siberia, an empire in central Africa founded in the 1700s speaking our language. That sort of thing. Settle everywhere. The Kianurian Diaspora will leave colonists everywhere they can go, and our depopulated Empire will shatter into infighting.
>>208541
That is unlikely to occur, not only because we control almost all of humanity and therefore can coat almost all of the world we can reach with a town or two but also because colonisation is a slow process of attracting people willing to go and live on a frontier.
I left when we decided on how we were stopping the plague.
What the hell is going on?!
Are we going to start all over again on a new thread?
>>208624
We did too much. We just don't think there's much left to do. We cannot be challenged right now. Early Rome would get it's shit kicked in, even if it didn't it would only be taking a tiny amount of our land. We're basically impervious until industrialization because we own all of the land in which our opponents would grow. The Ottomans essentially cannot exist. We will inevitably win any war against The Caliphates, The Turks will get slaughtered, so will the huns and so will the Mongols. We've got nothing left to fear for the next 2000 years. Unless of course we overextend and collapse into tiny states, and then just start rebuilding the empire again for a few hundred more years.
>>208703
OR, start all over again at 10,000 BC in a much harder location. That's just my opinion though.
If no one else supports it, I'll vote for China, as being the motivation for every future terrorist organization ever sounds awesome.
Ok , vote is over, staying alive wins.
So there's just 1 thing I need to know for the next update tomorrow.
What do?
You still haven't decided on our next step.
>>208777
Are we still an intact country, or are we fracturing, and deciding how to handle it?
>>208777
Conquer the rest of India. Build a monumental palace complex in Sri Lanka.
>>208777
>Conquer the rest of India
>>208795
Adding to this- expand along the entirety of our northern border.
Remember, our goal isn't to win, but to destroy the timeline beyond repair. If we can install hippos that have become cold resistant through thousands of years worth of conquest into the culture of Eurasia and better yet, The Himalayas, than that is a victory to me.
So will be keep our religion or will we convert to Christianity or Islam or something like that?
>>208955
Our religion I would imagine, considering our dislike of outside cultures. Though a Christian and Muslim minority will certainly exist since the government having such a small influence in that area.
The Sarsarrum in his infinite wisdom, has decided that the remains of Hindustan should no longer be tribal, thus we have invaded them to bring them civilization.
The conquest was easy and we have brought new settlers in to create more cities, primarily ports so we can increase domestic trade.
There was also a village pair founded by Hinnunaki settlers who came along with the colonists, they have quite the convenient location on a strategic level, but not so much for living.
The inhabitants are aware and said they did it for the glory of the Empire. The Leader of these settlers allegedly saw Sarilu himself, commanding him to do so in his sleep.
The Priesthood is not quite sure what to make of it. There is no indication of him being delusional, nor are there any alchemical records of him ever being. This man also has never traveled outside his home town before, as records of the local Enalu suggests.
Because of that, we cannot quite evaluate whether this man is a heretic, perhaps even a madman, or if he was really blessed by Sarilu.
Regardless though, he has taken it upon himself to build a bridge between his 2 villages.
The idea isn't unappealing, but a single man cannot build such a monstrous bridge by himself. Thus the Sarsarrum offers his support.
large amounts of Wood and Stone are brought to the villages to build this bridge, but all attempts fail.
However, the village leader has a proposition to make : "Why not just use Steel?"
This idea was so blatantly stupid and outrageous that it sparked the Sarsarrums attention.
He called in his best Mathematicians to figure out whether such a thing is even possible.
After weeks of calculation they come to a conclusion : Yes, it is possible.
An entire year passes for the preparations of building this bridge. New methods of transportation and construction are being tested for this project, which is a nightmare for Logistics, but our workers are confident they can do it.
Hundreds of Freight ships come to the building site every day, not only to deliver steel, but also to drop rocks into the sea, to form a tower in the ocean on which to build pillars for the bridge.
That endeavor isn't going particularly well apparently, so they bring sand as well.
Entire dunes are carried off in the desert to be used to fill up the sea.
Millions of workers are dedicated to this project, the most prestigious one Mankind has ever seen.
It is so expensive and time consuming that it temporarily bankrupts us, twice over.
The Sarsarrum would not live long enough to see it finished.
3 generations later.
It is the year 85 BC
The Romans have gotten rid of the Hellens and even Carthage in the mean time.
It looks like we underestimated these barbarians, both militarily and culturally.
CUT
However, our great project has been finished.
We have filled up an entire strip of Ocean with sand and rocks, put a layer of Steel on top to reinforce it and make it stable to walk on, then paved it with Marble.
Where is the river again?
CONT
However, our great project has been finished.
We have filled up an entire strip of Ocean with sand and rocks, put a layer of Steel on top to reinforce it and make it stable to walk on, then paved it with Marble.
We dubbed it Gilgaram Bridge in honor of our God Emperor in heaven who made it possible for us to achieve such glory.
We have also made contact with a people known as the Han, a far away Empire that Karnas expeditions talked about.
Them and Rome are the closest things to Equals in this world that we have.
The Sarsarrum has invited both of their leaders to meet him in Thumim - the Center of the World.
The Han who thought of themselves as the Center of the World prior to meeting us, and through us, hearing of the Romans, have only reluctantly agreed, and their Emperor himself the supposed "Son of Heaven" is coming to Thumim.
The Romans too agreed, eager to see face to face with the Sarsarrum and the Han Emperor, the Consul and the most important Senators of Rome, come to Thumim.
The Question is now, what is the Sarsarrum going to talk about with them?
Oh and what are new colonies called?
Sorry I see nevermind.
Perhaps we should begin funding colonies, for There is rumored to be a great land Far away across the endless ocean....
I think we should expand upon or tech, our nvy in particular and begin exploring and thinking of science and philosophy. I know its to early for gunpowder but what about steam engines/steampunk? I know a famous Greek has already discovered it but did not think it was important. We dont really need any territory anymore, so lets start founding and helping other cultures.
Our peace talks should be us offering our help in building up their empires.
>>210268
I could see that working, though if we do that, we will have to retract our Help to Rome later on, because the Huns will create the great migration of germanic peoples, which will eventually lead to the rise of the west, we can save west-rome from dying sure, but not from being conquered, for the sake of Europe and the scenario.
>>210273
Yeah we dont really need territory anymore, So I move that we begin establishing colonies all over the world with good trade routes between them. Then we record and learn about all that we can see, develop our culture etc. IM exited to introduce hippos to australia.
Lets do like the Creek did colonization from this point forward. We make a campaign. Campaign promises free land for all who join expeditions. Expeditions are to establish trade enclaves in the following locations:
>various arable places along the Arabian Peninsula
>northern shores of the Black Sea
>northern shores of the Caspian Sea
>along the shores of the bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea
The deed itself is not really honest and legal, but what are locals gonna do when the biggest empire in the world desires to create a trading outpost/enclave right in the middle of your coastline. You can go to war, but to what end?
The trading enclaves would trade with the locals and then trade with the motherland.
>>210261
We should discuss the cultures of our peoples, to help spread our own and perhaps take some ideas from theirs.
Maybe convince them to let our missionaries enter their lands safely.
>>210261
We should discuss formalizing the Silk Road, traders have likely been passing through our state and the Han for generations, and Rome as a rising power can only grow more important to the trade network.
We should discuss establishing a series of rest stops where merchants can find food, water, and amenities. Long term we should discuss building an actual road bridging these stations. Merchants should be brought on as advisors, since they're obviously the most well versed in these matters.
We'll also need each state to guard their portion of the road, and will likely want to cooperate where possible near the borders.
Perhaps also divide up the known world between our three Empires.
>>210982
We should also point out that we are interested in gathering the worlds collective knowledge into our grand Library.
>>210999
Oh god this is too fucking lewd.
>>211007
God dammit anon, ourcute, shy and anti-social (thanks to being archivist with too much free time)aren't for lewd timesas they "research" this new book the "Kamasutra".
>>211063
It's too late, anon.
It was always too late.
>>211085To be frank, the archivist do spend huge amounts of time together...alone in those endless halls with only each other for company...and carrying those books and running back and forth has left them all very fit. It makes sense they'd be busy with "personal" projects. Testing out all the new wonders brought in from across the empire. Be it a new kind of wine, drug or tool... those first two causing some very fun but unproductive days...
>>211104
Pic related seems like a very likely event.
>>211112They spend so much time together in those old halls, copying tomes and repairing old ones. It makes sense they'd come up with some games to play to make it more enjoyable...the punishment for losing is up to the other player...often a very...enjoyable game
>>211122
Anon please.
>>211127
You started this, I don't write lewd for a reason anon. Accept your punishment, for...losing.They do write about the newest fashions of the empire for posterity, imagine the "shame" some of the male losers have felt over the years... testing the newest thing in dress by going into the town for supplies.
>>211143
This is derailment, but until OP tells us to stop then I don't care.
>>211149
Anon, like the writing I could do for this concept, the ride never ends.Imagine those "poor" souls sent into the town, deciding to go to a bar for a drink to try and ease the embarrassment. Them being "courted" by the locals and coming back to the great library wearing far less than they left with... and certainly not walking anywhere near as straight...They always seemingly volunteer to go back to the town without a bet afterwards... though some can guess why. Even more so when some local boys come to up asking to see "that pretty one from the tavern"
>>211158
muh fetish
>>211168
I am just writing as I think of it, flying-by-dick at this point.
>>211171
the best way to fly.
>>211178
Yeah but I see no reason to continue writing, right now at least, as I have other things I must do.
I can't wait until OP comes back and sees this shit.
>>211232
He ran on 4chan, he knew the risks. He's just lucky I didn't write in more detail or do the other three stories or so I had.
What the heck is even happening in this thread?
Also, can I finally get some Himalaya colonization going? I just want cold-bred hippos marching K2 like Hannibal and the Alps.
>>212014
Lewd is happen
You guys do realize /qst/ isn't a blue board, right?
>/qst/ rule 4: Erotic roleplay is not permitted. Frequent explicit descriptions of sexual encounters by a quest author may result in mod intervention.
>>212075
Right, you never explicitly stated it was lewd, simply implied.
>>212075
Man, I do love the idea of taking a break from Middle Eastern imperialism with some recreational porn sharing.
>>212085
yep, I don't see a reason to go into detail as the mind paints the picture it wants from very simplistic information. I tailor the information to the audience and they reach whatever conclusion they want.
>>212086
Meanwhile in the meeting between the chinese, roman and empires leader.
"...I am telling you. shy girls are best man!" - Roman emperor
"Hell no! Clearly the best is a MILF. I have seventeen and can say conclusively they are best" - Chinese emperor
"Jesus Christ, how did we get here from discussing adding their knowledge to the great library..."
>>212124
Perfect
great thread
>>212184
Just you wait.
Next post by OP will be about us taking Nepal with water demons.
>>212124
Our great libraries contain all knowledge. The library in Thumim contains literally everything we could write down. And still, we do not have enough lewds to satisfy our empire. This is why we need Rome and China, for their Lewds.
What the fuck guys
Don't do this shit to me at 2am, I don't need an awkward boner while laughing my ass off.
And sorry for taking this long again, I'll be posting next update in a new thread.
>>212192
Also we already own the himalayas thanks to my inaccurate mapping.
new update lads
>>212634
