/vg/ has a problem, a lot of the slower threads that still have interested communities are unable to have threads because of how fast the board is. Users end up sitting there by themselves spamming "bump", shitposting to keep threads alive between topical content and during slow periods, and threads are remade multiple times because they die in less than an hour. A user will have to remake the thread because it doesn't exist, and lurkers are out of a thread to read until one is put back up.
There's even a meme based on this issue, "dead thread, dead game", "ded" and other variations, often posted solely to bump the thread.
This is not an issue on boards with lower post rates that host generals, only one with /vg/ itself.
There is timezone based downtime, and there is the fact that MOBA/FPS/etc. games and their tournament commentary posting race through threads, it seems to have gotten worse despite that moot changed the post cooldown because he "didn't want this place to be like a chatroom".
I can name 3 threads with the aforementioned problem, because I browse them - The Sims General, Minecraft General, and Engineering Games General - and there are more.
Fix it.
>>565138
if the thread can't generate enough interest, then it should die. it's as simple as that.
the concept of 4chan threads is that popular threads bubble towards the top while the unpopular threads fade away.
if you can't find enough interest in your game, you should head to reddit or some other forum that discusses the game you play.
>>565143
Not every board is /b/ or /v/. If you ever went outside your shithole you'd see that slower boards, as I mentioned and you should have read, host generals which would be unsustainable in /vg/. Some are even video game threads that managed to get refuge in /vr/ and /jp/.
>>565145
i post in /vg/, specifically in /d2g/, /fgg/, /csgog/, and other smaller fighting game generals. generals are fine as they are.
>>565143
>if the thread can't generate enough interest, then it should die. it's as simple as that.
That's wrong. /vg/ is a catalog of what are basically sub-forums. They aren't just spur of the moment threads about cat pictures and who should be president.
For example, Fallout General is expected to stay in place. People go specifically looking for /fog/ to discuss it. If it's not there, then they have nothing. You can't simply make a new /fog/. You have to go pull up the dead thread and copy the header with all the paste bins and junk, assign the thread number, find a relevant picture, and add links to the old thread. It's a pain the butt.
Again, they are pretty much a hybrid between a thread and a forum and they should not follow the rules of a YLYL thread on /b/. These threads don't die from lack of interest. They die because no one pasting in 30 minutes. But there is still tons of interest in the topic. When it 404s, someone remakes it. Again and again. Why should they be 404'ing in the first place only to be remade in the next few minutes? It completely disrupts the flow and conversation.
>>565145
Also your snarky little "popular threads bubble to the top" indicates a complete misunderstanding of the general system. I don't care if you browse /vg/, it is irrelevant.
Everyone uses catalog and search for specific things in /vg/, it isn't some lelsorandom board people go to look at the top upvoted threads.
People go to /vg/, type 3-4 letters in a box that they expect to bring a result, and go to that thread. So I've refuted that.
Saying "it is fine", is definitely not an argument.
If you want to stick around to shitpost and be unhelpful to people looking for a staff response, be my guest, that's why you're on /q/.
>>565150
This is a the core problem. /vg/ is comprised of both very fast, and very slow moving boards. But they all have interest and visitors. Just some more frequent than others. And generals like /tsg/ (The Sims General) will die in 30 minutes if not bumped. You know what The Sims is. Everyone does. You know there is interest in that topic. But because The Sims 4 sucks, the posts trickle in a little bit slower. Then we have to remake the OP 4 or 5 times a day and break off the discussions and conversations that were going on in the process.
In the mean time, visual novels and hentai games have to remake threads every couple of hours because they are so popular. And those threads are pushing Generals like The Sims into a premature death long before the interest in them has passed.
>>565151
/vg/ was created because /v/ was getting tired of nonstop threads of the same game (specifically sc2). it doesn't function as a subforum. it functions as a board that houses threads that would be disruptive to /v/. that's why /vg/ has a 750 bump limit.
>>565154
what you're asking for is for /vg/ to have a thread for each and every video game. if your shit game can't generate enough interest to keep it bumped to the top periodically, then it simply shouldn't exist on /vg/ since it takes up real estate.
We should have a GENERAL WEEK, or maybe even month. Here's the premise: Every board us frozen as it is, the threads are examined and the ones that do kit violate the rules shall be stickied. Every extant thread will be made into a rolling sticky.
And this will not be turned off. For a while.
Then the people will have seen what that's like.
Any empty spaces generated when "off topic" threads were pruned will be standard and normal posting. If those is on page 10, or page 8, that is where it is. If no spaces were generated before the site was unfrozen, then there can be no new threads on that board.
I want to see this.
>>565157
The biggest problem with 4chan is how many people will only post when there's a fight to be picked, even when it doesn't effect them. The negativity is mind boggling.
It doesn't matter why it was created. It matters what it is. It is most definitely a collection of emulated sub-forums. If you go to /vg/ right now, and open the catalog, you see 50+ threads all with "/[acronyn]/" in their name, because those acronyms are understood to represent forums, just like /b/ and /an/ and /fit/.
If you had any experience with /vg/ you would understand the function of the board and not have any qualms with the prospect of the catalog size being increased to prevent threads from dying before they're dead.
>>565160
This has nothing to do with wanting more generals. Don't derail the discussion.
No one is asking for that. Where did you even get that from? No one even wants that. That would actually be really bad. We merge and separate generals all the time just to keep things organized and keep communities at the right size. Too small, the die too fast. Too big, the conversation gets diluted.
>>565160
>if your shit game can't generate enough interest
The Sims General was mentioned. The Sims 1, 2, 3, 4. Also offshoots The Sims Stories (Pets, Life, Castaway), The Sims Medieval, The Sims Freeplay, etc etc
The Sims franchise is HUGE and has been around forever. I admit it's a shit game, but the size of the playerbase can not be denied. If The Sims General is dying on a regular basis, then something is wrong. That should not be happening. If you can't agree to that, then you really are just looking for a fight.
>>565167
is it really hard to imagine that there are people like the op who want their own persistent generals for different games? there are a ton of generals that went under:
>tekken general
>guilty gear general
>probably miitomo general
>probably kawata shojo general
>probably life is strange general
the reality is that eventually interest dies down and the death of a thread reflects this fact.
>>565172
if it's dying on a regular basis, it's simply not popular on 4chan.
you can discuss the game on reddit, steam forums, gamefaqs, etc.
>>565173
>want their own persistent generals for different games?
This is how I know you're not familiar with /vg/. There is self-regulation. A General can not exist without a large following. Someone just can't make a general for Super Mario Bro. 2 and have it succeed. The boards don't work like that. No one would post, and it would truly be dead from lack of interest with less than 3 posts.
>>565173
>eventually interest dies down and the death of a thread reflects this fact.
By eventually, you mean 30 minutes? Boards die in 30 minutes on /vg/ right now. General threads with 500 posts die in 30 minutes. Because people went to lunch, basically.
The interest did not die. It was just a gap in activity. And that is what we're trying to address here.
>>565174
theyre not dying. theyre getting booted. huge difference. its been pointed out a dozen times in this thread. they are being killed. not dying out naturally. the threads were alive and kicking. just not kicking faster than the threads for porn games.
>>565178
if a thread can't get at least 1 post in 30 minutes, what makes you think it deserves a spot?
>>565183
You keep looking at it as a thread. Because you're not from /vg/. It is a forum. Basically, Generals are stickies without the stickie. They get remade and rolled over constantly. Some 10+ times a day. They are a static structure. You can't compare them to general banter. People specifically look for these threads. They leave for 10 hours, then come back to see if they have any replies because the discussions are long and ongoing.
It's not a difficult concept to explain or notice if you spent any time on /vg/ and frequented the Generals. Every post you make screams "/vg/ is not part of my daily routine" ... your opinion doesn't matter if you don't understand the content.
>>565138
W8 what's /vg/ again?
>>565190
it doesn't matter how you interpret threads in /vg/.
it's a thread because it functions as a thread. a 750 bump capped thread. 1 post every 30 minutes averages out to 48 posts a day.
whatever game you're trying to discuss isn't meant to be discussed on /vg/ because /vg/ is for high velocity threads like dota and lol.
in any case, /v/ likes single player games so your threads would be better received there.
>>565194
Video Game Generals. It's the same as /v/, except sorted into sort of sub-forums to consolidate discussion. Kind of like coke from the fountain and coke from a can. It's all coke. Just different formats. It doesn't have the whimsical on-the-fly thread creation of other forums since they're all under headers.
>>565197
So equally cancerous?
>>565196
You're really just arguing for the sake of arguing. You understand perfectly but don't want to lose the precious internet debate. Even just glancing at the /vg/ catalog is enough for people to see it's not a normal forum so there's no way you don't understand the structure.
>>565201
/vg/ is probably a little more cancerous since the autism is concentrated instead of diluted by off-topic threads.
>>565203
Perfect
Another board to shitpost on
>>565145
> Some are even video game threads that managed to get refuge in /vr/ and /jp/.
You complain about generals pushing other generals off the board but it's okay to do that to actual threads on boards struggling to stay good despite the bullshit happening everywhere else?
Fuck you.
You speak as if they were offered refuge instead of being forced there by lazy and biased mods who ban any dissent.
Your kind is not welcome and don't forget that.
The audacity of general users makes me absolutely livid.
One of moot's greatest mistakes.
i don't know how this helps, but i always see one or two threads that are completely not the boards style, and just random /v/ threads
>>565240
And also /b/ threads.
>>565196
>that 1 nigga who has no idea what hes talking about
Working as intended.
>>565138
>wahh my chatroom thread is subject to a problem that is actually an inherent part of chan sites
Jesus christ I hate generalfags so fucking much. Just fuck off to an actual forum. Why fucking don't you?
It would be preferable to lower the effective minimum post rate cutoff by increasing the number of pages in the catalog.
Surely this is preferable than having slower game threads to generate low quality or garbage posts to stay on the board.
>>565203
>implying off-topic threads aren't the most cancerous
>>565138
>a lot of the slower threads that still have interested communities are unable to have threads because of how fast the board is.
It's called churn. That's how 4chan is supposed to operate.
You aren't entitled to your own safe space.
>>565151
>That's wrong. /vg/ is a catalog of what are basically sub-forums
I hate you more than you could ever comprehend.
4CHAN IS NOT YOUR FUCKING PERSONAL FORUM.
>>565218
I feel you, brother.
/vg/ was a mistake. Moot said it himself, generals go against the whole point of 4chan, and that's why they're hated on some boards. It should have been an online and multiplayer board, since those are the games that usually have the most traffic, and all the other generals spoils have been told just to fuck off(like how the fuck is katawa shojo general a fucking thing? )
>the majority of people lose interest in a thread
>a few people like the thing the thread is about, but have nothing to say themselves
>So they shitpost to keep it alive, not understanding that they are only making the threads worse.
Generals might seem like a good idea at first, but they really aren't.
>>565368
>You aren't entitled to your own safe space.
/vg/ was created for this very purpose tough.
>>565138
If there isn't enough interest behind a particular thread, then why should it deserve to stay up at the top? Opinions and their respective generals come and go all the time, get used to it.
>>565372
>>565473
The interest is still there. The problem is that /vg/ is so insanely fast that you can't compete with the massive amount of threads being created. Just because you don't have as much interest in a topic doesn't mean that there still aren't people who go there regularly expecting the general. People want to discuss things anonymously on 4chan about a particular subject and with the amount of traffic these discussions get, it makes sense for them to be on /vg/ in a general instead of scattered in 15 different threads. The other solution without /vg/ generals is banning, for example, all starcraft discussion on 4chan because there are too many threads about it on /v/, but I don't think that works.
>Generals might seem like a good idea at first, but they really aren't.
They don't necessarily have to be a problem. Adding 5 extra pages and decreasing the amount of times an hour (or some other arbitrary length of time) a user can post images there could fix the problem and not increase server costs too much.
>>565574
>the interest is there but the board's too fast
another way to rephrase this is
>the interest is not there
>>565574
>Just because you don't have as much interest in a topic doesn't mean that there still aren't people who go there regularly expecting the general
I'm sorry, but that's a contradicting statement. If there's less people posting (and subsequently, bumping) a thread, then there's clearly less people looking for a general about that topic.
To re-iterate my previous post: the interest and popularity of threads always changes, new games will continue to come in and sweep out old generals. If there's not enough interest for a general and few people are posting in it - too bad.
It's just mentally ill /d2g/, /lolg/, and /csgog/ Twitch refugees who worship e-athletes.
>>565617
>If there's not enough interest for a general and few people are posting in it - too bad.
but what if the general gets remade 5+ times a day????//????/???
>>565769
More like online games have a lot more lasting power than single player games
>play witcher 3
>oh boy that was fun
>discuss discuss discuss
>...3 months later...
>why are our threads dying?
>f-f-fucking dotards!!!
People who still play single player games in this day and age are console cucks or PC users who don't understand why PC was popular back in the day.
Move your single player game discussions over to /v/. They like that kind of manchildren garbage.
>>565783
Roguelike, dwarf fortress, and grand strategy is pretty long running
>>565780
Then a small amount of anons are trying to cling onto a game that nobody else is interested in. I could go onto /vg/ now and start making hourly threads about NBA2K - the threads would only get a few replies and would then be pushed off page 10. Is it because the board's moving too fast? No, it's because nobody (or only a small amount of people) are interested in the game.
For some really obscure or small content, going to reddit and making a subreddit for it ought to be fine.
increase bump limit to 1000
move undertale to /trash/ and hentai games to /h/
fixed
>>565370
I remember how Katawa Shoujo was pretty much the last straw. Discussion surrounding that game was done to death within a week.
>>565848
>recommending reddit for a 4chan "problem", ironically or unironically
cancer
>>566295
not him but it's a good suggestion. 4chan's threads are meant to be ephemeral. high activity threads have more staying power.
if he wants a discussion without losing his thread for a game that is not popular enough to be discussed on /vg/ without dying, he should just create his own subreddit.
>>566245
And I'm actually afraid to click on that thread just to see what's going on. Like you said, a week after the game was out, the threads had exhausted all there was to discuss, and instead you had some of the most pathetic feels and circlejerk threads i had ever seen. Unfortunately what we have now is a containment board, there's really not much else we can do with it.
>>566357
I hate generals, but I am impressed that those guys have managed to keep it going for so long with so little content or any reason at all for it to remain in existence.
That takes dedication.
>>566357
They just talk about whatever now and make the excuse that they're a community. Last time I went there it was dicussion about Dark Souls. This was 1 month ago. The only KS related thing posted was the images.
Bumping a thread with discussion due to the flooding happening right now. xc
Can we just double the maximum thread count on /vg/?
That would solve all your problems.
If bunnyman double's /vg/'s capacity, I'll literally buy 5 4chan passes.
>>567098
It shouldn't need to make a difference in server costs when the native archive already exists.
>>567142
For some reason people feel that their threads need to be up 100% of the time, no idea why. Especially for single player games, after awhile you'll discuss all there is to discuss, and discussion will stagnate. At least with multiplayer games, there's patches that change the way the game plays, there can be discussion or strategies or how to play better, there can be discussion on tournaments and games, etc. They really screwed up by making it a "general" board, but people can't see that if they just want continued discussion on a topic, they're on the wrong website.
>>567203
Dwarf Fortress, Roguelikes, Mount and Blade, Grand Strategy, Total War, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls generals are still going pretty strong.
>>567203
Generals that talk about esports are all cancer
>>565138
>this board for generals is shit because generals are being generals
Are you fucking retarded?
>>565138
Time to move on.
>>565379
/vg/ was made as a containment board because mods were lazy. You are not entitled to your safe space, ever. If a hundred new general threads are made over the next few days and continue to be made when they die, like every other cancerous general, then most of the generals on the board will have been replaced. That's how it works and you are not entitled to have the stream diverted for your personal usage.
>>566295
>cancer
Generals are also cancer but far worse as they are on 4chan, where they don't fucking belong. I'm fully in favour of generalfags moving their cancerous hug boxes to a website dedicated to allowing people to create their own hug boxes.
>68 asspains from my thread
>looks like 1 guy posted like 10 times
Good shit.
>>565138
As a /vg/ goer myself, I can tell you that what you just described is a strong indicator of a dying general that needs to be put out of its misery. Specifically, if the thread can't generate enough discussion to keep itself afloat without "bump" spams,. then it's obviously run its course and doesn't need to exist anymore.
>>568155
Indeed.
People who treat generals like Steamchat or Twitch should go
ASSFAGGOTS, Fighting, and Overwatch are pure mainstream retarded cancer for low skilled and underage shitters.
>>569122
>this little cuck
dota has a 20m prize pool this year.
what about your game?
>>565138
If a general can't survive in /vg/ it shouldn't even be a general.
>>569138
And yet, it's a fucking piece of shit of a game. MOBAs are one of the worst game types in existence.
>>569146
Wrong.
>>569223
No, its a fact. Being e-sports means nothing when most 'e-sports' are garbage games with low skill requirements.
>>569891
It's an OPINION.
>>569922
It isn't.
>>565145
If you can't stand the heat, make a subreddit, or an 8gag board, or your own website in general, or an IRC Channel.
>>569138
Esport gossip isn't video games,fuck off
>>565138
Well why don't you move to a site that actually supports your favorite mode of discussion instead of complaining about basic imageboard features clashing with it?
>>565138
A board dedicated to contain generals can't be fixed. It's the embodiment of cancer.
>>565138
Move your circlejerk to discord and free up /vg/ for actual game discussions-
There needs to be a process to remove generals with expired date.
>>570542
>basic imageboard features
Oh you mean threads dying by expiration date (Futaba) or inactivity (2ch) instead of by bump order (thanks moot)?
Don't act like you know your shit, kiddo.......
>>565138
>moot changed the post cooldown because he "didn't want this place to be like a chatroom".
Holy shit did he really say this?
Like I'm aware he was pretty ignorant about imageboards and textboards but damn, there's always something new popping up.
>>565783
Kill yourself.
>>567479
>Grand Strategy
its called grand shitposting now
>>572997
Go back to slobbering a bureacrart's liquor soaked willy
>>572892
moot always hated generels, was always vocal about it and was something he brought up when he left. He should of fucking tripled the post timer of what it is now. Also, he was hardly ignorant about imageboards, he was just seeking to recreate what he left in the waves of newfags. Old /b/ and shit. He was probably someone who understood it more than most considering he generally tried to actually fucking embrace the actual features of it. Retards like generalfags however shat all over those desires.
>>572888
Kek
>>573279
Seems that he wasn't really that great, that moot guy, if he could so easily be defeated by several generals.
