The EU is now fast approaching Chinese levels of government surveillance and control of its subjects' internet traffic, and has just recruited private companies for their oppressive agenda:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/31/11817540/facebook-twitter-google-microsoft-hate-speech-europe
It won't be long before european law enforcement will be kicking in the doors of innocent 4chan users for propagating "hate speech" or "terrorism" or any other such bullshit designed to take out dissidents of the ruling regressive left; all because Google just agreed to inform against them.
I implore you, Hiro! Protect your european users and abolish the Google captcha, moot's most heinous legacy! Don't forget he's working for the company nowadays and might have actually planned for this horrifying turn of events well in advance.
All americans laughing at us unfortunate eurocucks I'd like to remind that you might well be next if Hilldog and her feminist platform get elected this year. This is the dream scenario of all the feminist twitter warriors for whom disagreement equals "harassment" equals """""""terrorism""""""
All UK users I strongly advise to use your opportunity and vote for the Brexit. It might turn out your only chance to escape the Eurocuck Union.
Do not trust Google to protect our freedom of speech, Hiro, cut all ties with Google NOW!
Bump, this shit is dangerous.
>tfw SJW
>tfw Hiro struck a deal with Google, having them support EU's plan
>tfw paranoid /pol/tards are b8ed into buying 4chan passes, assuming it will hide them from Google's watchful eyes
>tfw Hiro sends all their data directly to Mountain View anyway to fulfill his end of the agreement
Why do we even use an external captcha system anyway
Neither 2ch nor Futaba use captcha in first place, I'm sure we can manage.
>>547349
The spam was really, really bad and it's a lot easier to just use an external one, because all captcha systems are eventually broken by spambots, but google at least keeps theirs updated so the holes get fixed.
>>547403
Not really, block posts with suspicious HTTP headers (or better, make them solve a real captcha), and the spam would have gone away. It's what Google's "captcha" does anyway.
Also the spam was years ago and there was no sign of it or any other spambots coming back when captcha was disabled on /pol/.
>>547349
The same reason MegaUpload had a captcha. To sell passes.
>>547540
The spam will always be there
They'll just use text posts then with random word generator.
Some will legit spam their website here for backlinks which would rank their site aswell.
It's a slippery slope but we do need a better alternative
This thread deserves a bump. Google is a really scary company.
I assumed you were going to mention VPNs or Tor, but I guess you deserve credit for trying a new avenue of getting CAPTCHAs killed.
Temporary, my ass.
>>547540
>Also the spam was years ago and there was no sign of it or any other spambots coming back when captcha was disabled on /pol/.
I agree, anon. We should remove the captcha, there isn't any sign of spambots. Its not like I don't have a 4chan posting bot stored on my computer, waiting for the perfect time to use it to kill all generals on the site.
>>548056
>Temporary, my ass.
hehe
also, pic
i dont have a problem with most captchas and i dont give a shit if 4chan sells my information or some shit, BUT if i see that motherfucking storefront captcha i think im going to kill someone. that shit is impossible to solve and even if i fucking refresh the captcha it appears again, i always need to restart my router so that it doesnt appear if im lucky.
just remove it and everything will be fine
>>548537
Swithc to text captcha, loser
>>548546
problem is I never know which part is the nigger and which isn't anymore with these fucking streetsigns, like how did you know the "vernoux" was the nigger and the "b" wasn't?
>>548583
if you can't read it, it's a nigger
if it's really small, it's a nigger
if it's a real word, it's mostly a nigger
if it's hard to type, it's a nigger
desu, I get it right 99% of the time, you just have to learn it on your own
most of the time it's street numbers anyway, 3-4 numbers aren't hard to type
also pic, even if a little outdated
>>548584
does anyone have any documentation of google books or google maps with "nigger" in funny places due to this?
>>548629
not the same guy but at this point i think it would auto-filters swears at this point,after people spamming nigger into it for so long i doubt the haven't atleast filter that alone,i'd put it something harder to filter like "bigniggs" or something,same premise but if there is a auto filter system after a few time 1 will no doubt slip through
>>548640
It only works if more than one person types nigger on the same word.
Also, Books have cuss words, you can't just filter them.
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:books.google.com+nigger
>>548546
How?
>tfw your third world country finally has an upside in that it has too many problems to ban hate speech
>>548741
>click [settings] on the bottom right
>expand quotes and replying
>check off legacy captcha
>scroll to bottom and save settings
There you go.
>>548746
Thanks senpai
>>548752
Anytime friendo.
>>547403
Bullshit fuckwit, there are plenty of other sites with millions of daily page views that have non-google captchas. It isn't fucking hard and not they haven't been broken.
Hiro/mods, please do a 'trial' no-captcha week.
Thanks.
>>547335
PLEASE, HIRO
YOU ARE OUR LAST CHANCE AT TRUE FREE SPEECH
bumparoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0
>>547335
Bumpo, I'm not sure what's real anymore.
"muh redpill" aside, fuck google
>>552534
No entity should have that much information on everyone.
>>547335
Good idea I agree Google captcha sucks anyway.
>>547335
Easier said than done. Even cloudflare uses google captcha when a spammy IP connects to a site, and they're not some scrappy service that barely breaks even like 4chan.
Save us from Google's stranglehold, Hiro
>oy vey goym we NEED jewgle CAPTCHA to spy on users or devastation will strike
>oy vey Jewgle CAPTCHA works perfectly, that's why we ban ALL proxies and VPNs unless you give us your cc number
>never mind the fact the Jewgle CAPTCHA can be easily broken by modifying cookies/headers
>never mind that Jewgle is conspiring with EU commies to silence free expression
>never mind that other huge sites can successfully block bot spam with custom CAPTCHA or simply bot profiling
>ever mind that Jewgle CAPTCHA isn't designed for posting multiple times an hour and always gives you street signs and 2+ pages of CAPTCHA if you post more than once an hour
>don't like it? Give us your credit card goy
t. joot
>>547335
>Not worshiping our future overlords
What's with you people being against progress?
I agree that there should be a counter to spam, but why Captcha?
I use a pass, and even I grow concerned about the increasing trend of Google to use Captcha to basically use Anons as free labor to identify storefronts and street signs for their search engine.
There is a difference between anti-spam methods and being an unpaid intern helping out Google's streetview initiative. They can hire their own fucking interns.
Instead what we should simply do is simply find an alternative provider for anti-spam word puzzles. Google ain't the only fucking game in town. I don't think 4chan ever had a problem with learning software getting past normal captcha, thus necessitating the need for 'spot the tiny piece of fruit in each picture' shit.
If anything, what we have a problem with is what we have always had a problem with. Uneven moderation. Nobody disagrees that there should be zero defense against spam, and everyone agrees that moderators need to act quicker and more appropriately.
How does captcha help stop "it really makes you think" spam on /pol/? It doesn't, because a human does that. Same for pony spam on /v/.
We'll really never stop spam entirely. It's futile. Nobody with any sense will disagree we shouldn't have some barrier to robospam - and I personally am okay with giving my yearly 20 shekels to keep the server's going - but do we really need to link our anti-spam methods with a monetary incentive?
Let's just say that somebody came up with a free anti-spam method that works 100% of the time. Would 4chan stop using captcha? Well, probably not, because shekels.
I think my 20 bucks should go to something else. Like maybe bigger image caps or lower waits between posts or something like that. Hell, a /b/ for pass users. Don't see why that's not a thing.
My general point is, what do I get for my 20 bucks now? Really, I get to avoid something that we shouldn't have to put up with to begin with. Which sucks for everyone else.
>>547346
>/pol/tards
kek this only effects poor eurofags. Anglosphere is going to rise up
>>547335
Just stop hailing hitler and shilling for trup you faggot.
Honestly Hiro needs to develop an in-house captcha system that isn't awful.
I'm amazed that we got a built-in 4chan X, but we don't have a built-in captcha?
For fucks sake
>>554001
>we got a built-in 4chan X
When? I'm still running the Chrome extension, so i didn't notice that.
>enter 972
LOLZ INCORRECT
>>554005
1/2
>>554006
2/2
>>554006
Yeah that shit is fucking great
Also "copy this text into the box below" which is a complete fuck on my mobile
What a fucking joke
>>548061
I seriously hope you're being satirical there.
ABOLISH CAPTCHA!
WAR ON JEWGLE NOW!
>>548584
This doenst fuck with google.
Google selected some words by hand and then added words to the system to let the users decide who they are.
The words they decided by hand its right, get 2 points.
When writing captcha, if you get right the word with 2 points or more, the second word google dont know yet, will get +1 point, when a word has 2 points its considered right.
Anyway, if you write nigger to the wrong word, the word nigger will just get +1 point, since the rest of the population will answer the word in the right way, the word will be fixed to the right thing after 2 more guys get it right (that is more likely than
>>547346
>tfw paranoid /pol/tards are b8ed into buying 4chan passes, assuming it will hide them from Google's watchful eyes
all real poltards moved to the other board during the gamer gatorade thing
the only ones here are the ones that visit multiple 4chan boards (because of the lack of users those boards have on the other chan) and are lazy to change between two sites everytime they want to change a board
>>555412
8gag's /pol/ is shit.
just buy a pass
>>555425
t. Hiro
>>555433
>not being a pass for the website you go on everyday
>wasting your time filling captchas insted of posting
life is short anon
>>555425
>funding criminals
Hiro, speak to us. Give us some hope.
bump for justice
>the captcha is still in place
It seems moot didn't tell you, but it's only supposed to be a temporary measure, Hiro
>Not just switching to Legacy Captcha.
>>547335
hahahahaha
Yurop on pooicide watch
This was actually discussed by one of the devs on /qa/.
IIRC 4chan does not have enough resources to use an internal captcha. also; They looked into alternatives but didn't find any.
So, You're shit out of luck.
>>558001
>They looked into alternatives but didn't find any.
How about simply abolishing it without any substitute? It was never meant to be permanent anyway.
>>558007
Because of bots. I guess something like an internal captcha every 35~45 minutes would be acceptable.
Or you could take the shitty approach and earn "4chan points" by contributing high quality posts. You can then unlock captchaless posting for a limited time. You could also purchase 4chan points for a small fee.
Then you could buy other cool 4chan features such as posting 2 images per reply, etc. You can trade these points as well, making a 4chan economy.
>>553942
Lowtax, please. I agree that Google is something to be avoided, but an actual 4chan gold account leaves a terrible taste in my mouth.
>>558001
So then how come 8gag does?
>>558011
>I guess something like an internal captcha every 35~45 minutes would be acceptable.
That could work actually, but there is a risk of shitposters taking advantage of it
>>558013
I think there's certainly an argument to be made against it, but a certain group of people want to do things like donation drives and that's what the pass is supposed to be.
>>558011
This... could actually work.
HIRO, GET IN HERE NOW!
Some other in house captcha would be preferable.
>>559961
>
>>559962
>photoshop doesn't exist
>>559965
You see, I:
- Took a screenshot
- Saved it with a medium length name
- Solved a captcha
- Posted the image
all within 1 minute and 24 seconds of your post.
Your edit took nearly 8 minutes.
>>559966
I didn't have the thread open. Post another image mate. See what happens ;^)
>>559970
Image incoming. You have 1m 24s from my next post to edit. Tell me when you're ready. It's an easy one too.
>>559973
go ahead.
>>559974
>inb4 we bith get banned or some bullshit.
>>559975
>>559965 (You)
>>559966 (You)
>>559970 (You)
(You) guys are really bad at this. I don't even have photoshop on this computer.
>>559978
I'm using paint.net desu
>>559979
You can do it with MSPaint considering it doesn't actually require you to do any image editing.
GET IN HERE HIRO
>>559979
>>558001
>4chan does not have enough resources to use an internal captcha
Bullshit fucking shit they do. 8gag has an internal captacha and they're literally less then 1/10th the size and 1/50th or less the funds this site has allocated and less developers attached, how the fuck can they not make an in house fucking captcha?
>>561787
I thought 8gag hemmorhaged money and was kept alive by cash from 2ch.
>>561807
>I thought 8gag hemmorhaged money
They don't release financials so I have no clue, however I'd assume the Trump ads that ran for almost 8 months gave the cripple a pretty penny.
>>562314
i gave youre mom a pretty penny
>>562314
The cripple actually doesn't own the site anymore, he got scammed out of ownership by Hiroshima's arch nemesis, Jim Watkins. (Pic related.) But either way, last I heard about it, Watkins was still waiting for cripplechan to turn a profit and he had to keep subsidizing it with his own money.
>>548546
text captcha has its own impossible version, where there's big blotches of black over the letters that turn them partially white. they're nearly unsolvable but even when they're clear they fail more often than work. and they happen whenever you post-a-lot, as if to punish you and slow you down
during these periods, switching to the image captcha makes it a harder version that forces you to do it multiple times to get a clear, and then sometimes after it's told you you're good, goes 'you mistyped it' later
I very much wish for a non-google alternative. I don't care if it's 30-5o characters long desu
>>562923
I know that I'm just saying that none of the admins (Jim, Ron or Fred) have released financials even relating to ad revenue although 4chan doesn't do this either for some reason despite many anons interest in seeing how much money this site grosses and nets per annum.
>he got scammed
HW was losing interest in the site and losing money since the migration and he needed a failsafe so he went to Jim. HW still has 40% interest in the site even if he isn't admin anymore unless background shit is going on that he hasn't been vocal about.
Also the picture you posted doesn't reference the 2ch.sc ordeal and him DDOSing his old site and copying all the old user post info for himself, if you think he's more trustworthy then Pigman Jim then you are a sorry sack of shit.
>>563733
>4chan doesn't do this either for some reason despite many anons interest in seeing how much money this site grosses and nets per annum.
it was leaked a while back.
moot was making over 100k a year on passes.
>>562923
From my understanding Hiroyuki gave 2ch to Jim to avoid all the legal trouble he was in, Japan can't arrest or sue Jim since he's an American citizen. Hiro was meant to still be in control secretly but Jim froze Hiroyuki out when the 2ch users became mad about the hotlink/paid posting/credit card leaks.
>>563776
Seriously? Didn't he also say he was only breaking even too, what a lying sack of shit. He's probably made double or more on ad revenue then and Hiroyuki even more now.
Why is the captcha still not abolished?
>>564824
Because then there would be shitposting on 4chan. Imagine how horrible that would be.
Bumping against Jewgle
>>547335
GOOD.
>>564824
Bots.
Bumping a thread with discussion due to the flooding happening right now. hh
>>566432
Flood?
*checks catalogue*
Oh for fucks sake, not again.
Down with Google, they're the enemy. They actively manipulating the American presidential election RIGHT NOW in favour of Hilldog, do you really trust them to keep european users safe who frequent an anti-Hilldog site like 4chan? Google needs to be stopped.
>>554007
I'm guessing it identifies the image in the top right as a street sign.
>>566136
Even if it's for raking in dollarydoos, 4chan should at the very least not rely on jewgle. Those fucks actually profit from this shit more than Hiro will ever do, since anons are doing unpaid work to identify street signs and shit for their search engine. It's the height of impudence.
remove captcha
don't allow posting without paying $5
stops shitposting
stops banevading
stops spamming
stops captcha
everyone can afford 5 dollars once a year, but few can afford to continually pay 5 dollars to get around bans
there you go. problem solved.
>>567589
>What is 4chan pass?
ROW ROW FIGHT THE BOTNET
>>567589
4chan already has a limit on how many posts you can make from an IP per day without a pass. With Hiroyuki in charge, I wouldn't be surprised to see the limit gradually lowered to 10 or so.
>>567730
What's the current limit? I've never encountered any such thing.
>>567731
500
>>567883
Someone on [s4s] posted to the limit soon after it was discovered. The easiest proof would be to do so yourself.
>>567883
It scares the fuck out of me to think people as naive as you exist. Every one and every thing is a political entity. A huge corporation not interested in furthering the aims of the ones who control it ? Don't be dumb . The added fact that the White House has an open door policy with Google should make you nervous. One day the White House might have someone you don't like in it.
>>567894
>fillng out 500 captchas
Yah nah but do welcome a brave volunteer to show us the way.
>>567894
It would be quicker on /b/, /his/, or /pol/ right now because the cooldown there is 15 seconds. You could do it even faster by posting across multiple boards, although you'd need something you could dump on /pol/ without getting banned (standards for that aren't very high, though). And if you used Recaptcha v1 (30 minutes to expire) with 4chan X, you could be doing other things part of the time. It's still a lot of captcha filling any way you slice it, though. No way around that.
>>547335
why is this an issue?
no, im serious, why is this an issue
its not like google suddenly owns this site, or has the ability to track down users of this site just because of this feature. tell me how bad google is all you want, how the fuck does this effect us? google can't delete shit here,google has no power here.
or is this just more mindless hillbilly
>duh gubbament and dey korperationz r out too get may
bullshit.
>>567927
>google has no power here
They have the power to ban you, for starters.
>>567930
what do you mean? how would they even do that? unless someone in google is also a part of the 4chan moderation team (tinfoil hat bullshit that isn't real in a million years) how would they go about banning anyone?
>>567932
By rejecting all their captchas. This isn't even speculation; Google has banned IPs like this, mostly proxies.
>>567935
google hasn't banned anything other than ban spambots mostly, if i had to guess.
becides, if google did ever start to ban users en masse, you could code around it. whenever a user clicks the im not a robot button, they don't interact with google at all. instead a 4chan server interacts with google, and sends a screenshot to the user. the user solves the captcha as normal, and the server copies what the user did to solve the actual captcha.
tell me how this wouldn't work.
>>547335
>Abolish Google Captcha
Don't forget Google Analytics. They know everything you do from that.
>>567938
You're under the misconception that Recaptcha is primarily a puzzle to be solved. Recaptcha works by executing a whole bunch of obfuscated Javascript to collect as much data about the user as possible. Whether the user can solve the puzzles is only a small part of it. They also use information from HTTP headers, your IP address, your Google browsing history, everything they can get your hands on. All that goes into an algorithm that calculates how likely it is that you're a bot. If Google's computers are convinced you're not a bot, it sends you a confirmation code which you send to 4chan with your post, which 4chan checks the validity of with Google before accepting your post. If Google isn't convinced you aren't a bot, it gives you more puzzles, sometimes indefinitely.
If 4chan tried what you suggest, never mind it being much more expensive to evaluate all that Javascript than it would be for 4chan to simply generate its own captcha images, Google would see that all of the requests were coming from a single IP address, and based on that it would decide it was a bot.
>>567883
You'll be sorry for your words soon enough when president Hillary is going to weaponize Google and use it to kick you off the net.
>buy VPN
>rotate personal IP weekly
>run uBlock/NoScript/type of addons, use Pale Moon
>use Track Me Not to obfuscate all my shit
>never use Cookies
What's worse is Google now requires me to verify my Gmail login for my personal mail I barely use with a fucking phone.
Its insane how this datamining isn't getting challenged, the normies are clueless and oblivious.
Hiroshima?
>>567907
>One day the White House might have someone you don't like in it.
Next year to be precise, when Killary takes office. She's colluding with Google already and it's only going to get worse.
>>569125
>"But it's convenient!"
>"I have nothing to hide!"
>"I don't mind!"
Idiots. Idiots, all of them.
Captcha: I've gotten hard (word) v1 captchas only when trying to post (as opposed to streetview numbers). Had to clear cookies and shit. Fucking Google.
>10
NOT WHILE THE PROBLEM PERSISTS!
>>574498
Hiro is indirectly living off Googlebux by way of selling passes, he'll never tackle this issue
>>567883
https://imgur.com/a/n65Ap
It's linked to IP though so changing the MAC-address of your router will do the trick.
>>574764
What.
That's not how it works.
MAC is the physical address of the device, IP is higher up the stack.
Just buy a pass
>>574818
Yes, that's how it does work.
I am also not that poster. I've been doing it for years to get around direct-download daily limits for downloading porn/movies/tv.
http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/force-your-ip-address-to-change-why-i-never-need-proxies.175019/
I had a WRT54GL with Tomato on it. I had it randomly generate a new MAC address upon every reboot. Man I miss that router.
>>575507
Then your isp must just be using sticky dhcp, but you getting a different address is just a side effect that's exploiting how the isp sets up their network equipment.
Not the root cause.
Me, for instance, I just have to reconnect and dhcp assigns me a fresh ip address.
>>575508
Correct. When I had Charter, I think I was easily able to renew and it assigned me a new IP.
Currently, I need to do what I linked for Comcast.
Lets not even talk about Mediacom, fuck that midwest company, its the worst, by far worse than Comcast.
>>574825
Problem with that is, it's tied to your IP. If OP's tinfoil conspiracy has any truth to it, then it would actually be easier to track hate speech posted by pass holders.
>>547346
>Mountain View
http://abc7news.com/news/police-follow-suspicious-vehicle-from-google-campus-in-mountain-view/1407981/
hmm
>>547335
You're correct, but you already know what his answer will be
>just buy 4chan pass and noscript google
>4chan pass is your friend
>>547349
>Why do we even use an external captcha system anyway
Google pays money to 4chan for its users. It's an extension of their image recognition service that they use to improve Google's databank.
I remember being offered like, .001 cents per captcha hit (not even solve, hit) on my site. Not very useful if you're just using it to solve for site registration, but picture a place like here where you need to solve every time you post.
>>577230
That's $1 per thousand hits, which seems high to me.
>>577235
To be fair, the last time my site was popular enough to even need a captcha service for registration was back in its early phases when they were just hammering out the bugs.
It seems reasonable if you are under the assumption that site owners will only use it for registration or one-time verification instead of every time they want to interact with the site. I remember seeing how 4chan implemented it, and even back then I thought it was needlessly obsessive.
>>577245
Yes, that. My mistake.
bump against the fur spam raid
