How? There will always be newfags but we need to make sure they lurk and are not gaylords.
>>369939
Not gonna happen.
>>369939
how about we put malware filled ads on the front page?
oh wait...
>>369939
We offend their delicate sensibilities. We already have an unofficial furry board so why not a lolicon board?
Hire more mods like https://desustorage.org/a/thread/134106755/#134107105, blacklist Facebook/Twitter/Google's HTTP referer, make 'posting cancer' a bannable offence, etc.
But, as we all know, this is never going to happen.
>>369939
>implying this is possible.
The normalfag plague was unstoppable as far back as 2009. 4chan is mainstream now, and that can't be reversed.
>>369939
Pennies, vinegar, bleach, and straws.
>>369962
You can't even find the furry board if you don't know what it is and loli is posted on /b/ which is normalfag central so your ideas are complete shit.
I think mods should just ban memes and allow no fun whatsoever for a whole year.
>>369939
/mlp/ is abnormal by default because of having infinite amounts of sickfuckery.
Most of the new users usually go to /b/ at first then they start to use other boards.
It's simple we just have to spam gore on /b/ on a daily basis as much as possible.
It's something called 'shock therapy' , people will stop misbehaving by witnessing fuck up shit.
>>369939
make this site as offensive as it was in the past. normies can't stand offensive content
instead of "keeping them away/banning",how about we just tell them about our culture as a board, this would require a wikipedia like site that shows them our culture and what not,but not have the whole wiki as edit war of idiots, yes there is ED, but that is very much bias on the subjects(it has improved from before when pages were basically complete lies). github.com/bibanon/bibanon/wiki looks like it could fit the bill, but it seems that it maybe "abandon" of sorts(looks like there hasn't been a *real* new page in there for months),i like there idea of doing a gittorent based wiki, but with the new ipfs protocols, that maybe a better option.
(sorry for the word vomit)
>>370200
>tell them about our culture as a board
>Spoon feeding.
Not a good idea , that's just make them grow out to be gigantic faggots.
>>370129
And those threads get spammed by said normalfags. ALWAYS.
>>370212
Loli threads on /b/ I mean. So much Spiderman!
>>370207
well,we shouldn't just outcast people who don't understand the board(s),that person could end up being the next nurse-kun or Storybro, we should educated the ignorant, and if they show no signs of understanding, just ignore them. same for the people who "attack" 4chan for what ever reason it is. If they are bullheaded enough that they don't listen to logic and reason, ignore them.
What's wrong with normalfags? Do you actually prefer limp wrists and lisps?
>>370222
Have you seen what normalfags have done to the rest of the internet?
>>370218
You are retarded, normalfags are normalfags not because they don't get the boards culture, but because they can't possibly understand the culture.
Normalfags can't handle criticism, insults, vulgarity or lack of attention. 4chan should be place were you can say or do whatever you want, not a place 14 year old girls go, they have the rest of the internet for that.
Being normalfag friendly means removing anonymity.
>>370200
>spoonfeeding
Yes, because that works so well for other sites
>>370218
>well,we shouldn't just outcast people who don't understand the board(s),that person could end up being the next nurse-kun or Storybro
>we shouldnt tell people who care so little about the site that they cant be fucking bothered to spend 5 minutes lurking to fuck off because one days they might bring something good to the site
No
4chan stopped being a secret club a long time ago.
Deal with it, newfags and "normalfags" are here to stays.
>>369939
Gensokyo is calling you.
>>370249
What do you mean, you don't even notice normalfags unless the subject is porn.
>>369939
>>370273
It's because most oldfags seem to have the idea that this place is for a certain type of person.
I personally wish you were right about that, but the site itself really doesn't make it clear.
Basically, 4chan is a site for everyone and anyone nowadays. That's more a design flaw than it is a problem of being invaded.
Like moot said recently, he wishes 4chan could go back to its "hobbyist" or geeky roots.
I'm sure I'll get some flak for saying this, but I really think boards like /pol/ and even /int/ were terrible ideas and actually kind of out of place with what 4chan used to be, and also letting /b/ stay what it became for this long was another bad idea.
>>370282
>It's because most oldfags seem to have the idea that this place is for a certain type of person.
No, thats not it. Refer to the image
>>370282
/b/ and /pol/ are half of what 4chan is about though. Being able to speak your mind is what makes this place attractive, otherwise it would literally be reddit with a different name.
Also I'd argue that most people that are currently on 4chan started off with /b/.
>>370292
This.
Additionally , some of the users who didn't start with /b/ were faggots from Tumblr that hijacked /co/ in 2011.
>>370288
What I meant was, there's literally nothing on the site itself that says that.
Seriously, just look around from the eyes of a newfag and tell me you'd come to that same conclusion right away.
Those are fine points, I don't want to debate them, all I'm saying is, maybe the site itself should make that more clear somehow. Maybe the mods should try to enforce that more.
Fuck, even just a 1 line message on the front of 4chan explaining some of that would help. But there's nothing. There's literally nothing telling people that the site shouldn't be for anyone except some random anons on the site itself, and quite frankly today there's just about as many anons telling them the opposite too so who do they trust?
>>370292
That's changing, though
I would say the new age of poster started out in /v/.
>>370302
But every time someone acts in a stupid way on /v/ , the anons of /v/ tell said person to "fuck off back to /b/ , stay there 3 months then come back."
>>370302
I'd argue that's /pol/ instead, it is closer to what /b/ was and the media has shifted its attention to the "racist bigots on 4chan" which is pretty much /pol/.
>>370292
>/b/ and /pol/ are half of what 4chan is about though. Being able to speak your mind is what makes this place attractive
This is the huge misconception
Just because you have people spouting off immature and uneducated opinions all day doesn't in any way imply that those are the only boards where you can speak your mind.
Who's stopping you from speaking your mind on any other board?
and you'd probably get less shit thrown your way for doing it on other boards too
The problem is people don't come to 4chan for hobbies anymore, they come here thinking it's the epic meme/shitposting central like a wild west of the internet and that that's literally the only point of 4chan.
>>370306
You can and will be banned for being racist on any board besides /pol/, /b/ and few others. You can be banned and your post deleted for bringing up things relevent to your hobby such as
/a/ - regarding censorship laws in japan.
/v/ - anything remotely about SJW in video games has a chance of being removed.
That is not being able to speak your mind.
Also the point of 4chan was always the epic meme's, just because some people actually grow to enjoy the discussions doesn't change the fact that it has and always will be about the memes.
>>370281
Look at Facebook, or Twitter, or Youtube. They'll all clean and streamlined so the user can always find exactly what they want and block out the rest. The nature of these sites encourage people to be narcissistic and to follow popular trends to gain attention. So the go ahead and fish for like, or follows, or upvotes, and jump on the latest trend, be it acting like the most popular E-celebs, or trying to like the latest fad game/anime/movie/etc. So now the lion's share of content on the internet is homogenized to a sad degree.
Remember sites like Cracked, or Something Awful, or Newgrounds? The used to a bit of an edge to them, and could have some outrageous things. But then, they stopped. To compete with all the more popular sites they became cleaner, more accessible to avoid scaring off people or offending them which made them lose their identity. Other small site either followed suit or were pushed into the shadows, if they didn't die altogether.
So yeah, I don't like how normalfags have changed the internet.
>>370314
One time /v/ came to my board posting "ur a faget" as usual and the first reply was "We love you too , /v/." which is also normal then some anon shooped the image and said "We can insult the SJW." to which everyone reacted with images as OP from /v/ getting BTFO.
30 minutes later the thread got deleted but we still had the ability to insult or criticize or do what ever the hell we wanted with subjects involving Social Justice Faggots , in fact we had more freedom than the rest of the website due to the low numbers of mods on our board even during the highest points of GG tension.
(September till December 2014)
>>370314
>it has and always will be about the memes
This is a completely false rhetoric spewed by a vocal part of the community since 2007, and many people on this site have always hated everything about memes
>>370329
Ah, so that must be why all of pre-2007 was filled with memes as well. I mean right now your using the "post-2007" meme where 4chan changed forever. People didn't go to 4chan and create memes, 4chan created memes and drew attention from people who like memes.
Its like /pol/, its not that /pol/ was really left then right-wing nuts came in and changed the board, it was always right-winged and as such more right-winged people came to the board.
>>370322
If your only way of being interesting is to advertise how much you like cocks, maybe you should just keep quiet.
>>370334
None of that has anything to do with the purpose of the site though
>>370301
>Seriously, just look around from the eyes of a newfag and tell me you'd come to that same conclusion right away.
I am. When I first fucking posted here, the first response I got was lurk moar. I actually fucking realized what I was doing and actually lurked
>>370292
>/b/ and /pol/ are half of what 4chan is about though. Being able to speak your mind is what makes this place attractive, otherwise it would literally be reddit with a different name.
4chan was never about that though. It started as a place for moot to fucking talk about fucking anime with SA fags. The free speech shit only occurred, because moot himself believe in it, so he allowed it. It was something that made the site attracting, but the site was never about it.
4chan has never been about memes or free speech. It was a place for discussion of niche nerdy hobbies. The other shit was nothing more than a bonus and is a common misconception that really needs to be removed as its shitting the place up
>>370334
>People didn't go to 4chan and create memes, 4chan created memes and drew attention from people who like memes
How does that imply 4chan was "about memes"? Because what you just said doesn't make it sound like that used to be the case at all. Just because memes were here doesn't mean that's what the site was about
>>370338
>I am. When I first fucking posted here, the first response I got was lurk moar. I actually fucking realized what I was doing and actually lurked
But that _was_ coming from other users, not the site itself.
I'm not even talking from experience here to be honest, I'm just guessing what a new user would think because when I first came to 4chan I just remember getting an inescapable and overwhelming sense that this site had roots in japanese culture, and I wasn't even using weeb boards at the time and didn't care for anime.
But when I look around today I'm not sure I can say new users would get that same impression any more based on the current usersbase.
Just having a culture without anything explicitly saying what it's for, it's inevitable that things will change.
So I still say if you want to keep something out (in this case normalfags) it needs to be _more_ clear than it is, and probably in the form of something official on the site itself.
Because there's nothing official at all that would tell normalfags they shouldn't come here. There's basically a board for anything they could want to discuss, their shitty hip-hop music there's /mu/, for sports there's /sp/ or /asp/, politics /pol/, for fashion there's /fa/, there's even a fucking /soc/ camwhores and meetups.
>>370350
That's not memes. At least not the way people use it on the internet today.
>>370350
The site always had tons of memes because discussion was always fucking had. This is the most natural thing to occurs. When you put tons of people together to talk about something, they will always end up making jokes and OC while talking about it. This is what happened. The site was never about the memes or free speech. They were both something that occurred naturally, but, they were never what the site was about
>>370352
The core problem is actually a lack of elitism in this case, even the most elitist boards are losing their edge. /a/ used to be great for it but nowadays rec threads get away without boku no spam, vlc/tumblr/reddit pictures no longer get spammed with >vlc >tumblr etc, streaming is becoming more acceptable.
If I post on /mu/ about taylor swift or I go on /m/ and say my favorite mech is gurren laggan I should told to get the fuck out, not greeted with open arms. A culture needs to be maintained just having a message or warning won't change that, once you start letting the normalfags in, it becomes impossible to stop the erosion.
>>370365
Maybe to you, but if you visit any other site besides this one, OC is rare and good luck not having mods on your ass 24/7 for calling out shit taste. Its not a natural progression of discussion, its a result of how website was made.
>>370369
That's because those are fucking circlejerks that rarely have fucking discussion. Its normally people jerking each other of and 'im fucking new rec me'. 4chan started to lose what made it good because it started to accept newfags instead of telling them to eat a dick. It's very rare to find decent discussion anymore because most people don't come here for discussion, they came to meme. As a result of that its also actually rare to find anyone fucking making OC anymore, instead, you find people regurgitating the same thing over and over again
4chan was about discussion, not memes. When it became about the memes, it lost discussion, most of the humor and people stopped actually making OC. It was always about the discussion, as the discussion is what made people come up with shit. The website design for sure fucking fueled it, but it was never fucking about it
>>370380
>but that is not the memes that got bad it was the users
But I said exactly that
>4chan was about discussion, not memes. When it became about the memes, it lost discussion, most of the humor and people stopped actually making OC.
This is literally implying that you stopped getting the quirky and odd creative users and instead got users with the normal boring 'lele xd' mindset
>>370381
Were in agreement then. fuckface.
>>370383
You were implying I said something else, so I had to correct you. Dickbrains
>>370129
>no fun whatsoever for a whole year.
Yeah I could handle that. Hiro would never approve of the drop in site traffic though
>>370322
thanks for putting my thought into words.
It's very frustrating to try and explain this to normalfags; they don't even knew how things where before
It reminds me of 2007 4chan; when I started here everyone was already bitching about the cultural shift. It took me years to realise how things change over time
>>370129
>I think mods should just ban memes and allow no fun whatsoever for a whole year.
This could work.
>>369939
this comes from that dicussion about /x/, doesn't it? just asking
>>370439
That fucking picture. I miss that so much.
It used to be completely unheard of to see someone using their real name online unless they were a journalist or something.
Even commercials would add disclaimers reminding you to never use your real name or give out personal information.
What the hell happened?
Thinking back I think myspace was the first shock for me seeing people using their real names, and so I stayed the hell away from it
>>370350
>free speech
Now this never was the point of the site at all. The only connection between this site and free speech officially is moots ted talk back in 2010, and I just remember him talking about how the internet could be used to support it. He never explicitly linked it to the site.
Remove all settings and normalfag boards. Make this site about anime only.
>>370822
Also ban the option to post by phone.
The term normalfag is retarded. Just because people here have some fringe interests doesn't make us that special in any way.
The issue is not about who comes in, it's about how many. 4chan is large site now with lots of different groups of people, each with their own viewpoints on what the community should be like.
>>370873
It's not about interests, it's the type of person you are.
I've always seen pretty much the same definition for normalfag given every time someone attempts it, and it's basically someone who strives for social success, which includes internet social success.
>>370222
I like twinks
>>370873
>special
Nobody thinks this about themselves here, idiot.
The term is used to describe a specific group of people who have no intention of learning how the community works or what the site is about and instead decide to use the site as a platform for blogging and memery.
In other words, people who think the site should work like the most typical parts of the internet.
>>370933
Too be clear, when I say memery I'm not talking about OC, but when discussion starts devolving into reposts of reposts.
This includes ylyl threads, best of threads, and the infinite wojak, pepe, and Brendan Frasier edits everyone seems to enjoy shitting out lately.
>>370933
>use the site as a platform for blogging and memery.
That's exactly the sort of person who uses the term "normalfag."
>REEEE! I'm autistic! Normies get out! >tfwnogf
>>370951
>normies=normalfag
>confusing a forced /r9k/ meme with a term that's been in existence longer than the board itself
>/r9k/=all of 4chan
Fuck off already
>>370965
No matter how much you wish to disassociate yourself from them from embarrassment, they are indeed the same thing.
>>370971
Black people, niggers, and dindus all basically refer to the same thing at the end of the day but they're still different words.
