Since there's been a debate over whether or not to set up a /l/ board, I have a question: what exactly constitutes a "loli"? Is it matter of age, or appearance?
For example: Misty from Pokemon is stated to be 10 (which is underage), yet she looks around 14 (which is less underage, but still underage). Of course, neither have stopped the Internet from drawing R34 of her. Is she a loli?
Then there's a character like Sailor Moon, who is stated to be 14 (which is underage) but looks around 18 (which is not underage). Once again, neither has stopped the creation of hentai. Is she considered a loli?
Would you say it would be better not to create /l/ since the FBI is starting to crack down on you guys (after sites like Paheal and the Foundry cleaned up their act)? Are you getting nervous?
Loli = underage little girl or an adult girl with a little-girl body
Pettanko = term for adult women who are flat-chested
And I'll only get nervous when the leftist pedohysteria gets to my country at such retarded levels.
>>326616
>Pettanko
The most patrician fetish.
>Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?
Because they're not "muh feefees :(" retards. Deal with it, BBC niggers.
Foundry and Paheal didn't clean up because of the FBI they cleaned up because of vague threats from butthurt users and an unwillingness to stand their ground. Same reason paheal has a DNP list a mile long despite such things being pretty much unenforceable legally.
Pretty sure it's a body type.
Pic related I think, she's 28.
>>326611
Considering that the vast majority of anime women depicted in hentai are high school age (<18) and treated equally to lolis in terms of the law, I don't think this is a relevant question.
I'm kind of annoyed flatchested girls get lumped into pedophilia so much, no ass/tits girls are my fetish.
>>326611
/l/ board is a bad idea because people will post /l/oli lesbians and wanting to fuck them and I can't be in so many boards to tell them to kill themselves.
>>327180
This is the pain we have to suffer through for having great taste.
>>327185
Then fuck off.
/l/ will never happen because 4chan is too well known and the pedo stigma that 8ch received is trying to be avoided. Just accept and move on fwends.
>>327271
Then move 4chan's servers to the Netherlands.
>>326611
>Are you getting nervous?
What gets me nervous about /l/ is that it could attract real pedos that could cause sticky situations leading to the deletion of the board(again),or even worse:false flaggers acting like pedos to stirr shit up and,ultimately,get the board deleted(again).
>/l/ added
>pedos immediately start posting traced child porn
>ITS JUST DRAWINGS GUYS
>>326611
>what exactly constitutes a "loli"? Is it matter of age, or appearance?
Loli means young girl in common Japanese parlance. Anything else is a the result of semantic games by Westerners or otaku.
>Would you say it would be better not to create /l/ since the FBI is starting to crack down on you guys
It is not about legality, otherwise the ban would be site-wide. It is more likely liability (at the suggestion of lawyers on retainer), or the hesitance of old administration to appear to sanction lolicon. For the previous owner, a guy trying to raise venture capital for an online drawing app company, that is understandable. For a tech writer in Japan where lolicon manga is a commercially viable genre, and who has a history of butting heads with law enforcement, the picture is not so clear.
Of course, 4chan doesn't have to set up /l/. It could simply revoke global rule 3 and acknowledge that the theme is a common, if not tasteful component of many fandoms, without outright supporting it by giving it its own board.
>>327396
>or the hesitance of old administration to appear to sanction lolicon
I'm pretty sure the whole reason loli's been wholly relegated to /b/ is entirely because Moot didn't like it himself and so /l/ got dropped.
>>327271
the situation over there is different, they're getting off to actual little girls in skimpy outfits and being a bunch of open pedophiles, posting shit that /b/ here bans on principle, even if loads of it isn't against US law (federally, at least)
like, the people over there would fuck your kid niece
>>327396
>It could simply revoke global rule 3
I would actually like this. /l/ doesn't necessarily need its own board, it would just be nice if this. My biggest disappointment with /aco/ is that rule 3 is enforced on it.
>>327476
>I would actually like this. /l/ doesn't necessarily need its own board, it would just be nice if this.
To me, allowing pornographic loli imagery would not so much be about pleasing a subset of fans, but sending a message about who we are. Two, actually.
To the West, the message would be "we are not Reddit." That 4chan is not about providing a safe place for feelings, but a safe place for communication, and that as a sort of pioneer on the web for large communities, 4chan still subscribes to the rebellious ideals of the internet. Not only is this a principled stance, in the long run it will help 4chan's "brand" more than it hurts.
To the East, the message should be "we stand with you." I've never been able to reconcile how weeaboos can profess so much love and admiration for anime, yet do so much to hurt the people who create them. There is a growing international movement to censor Japanese creators, and I think by having an anti-loli policy, 4chan is complicit with the censors and those teens on tumblr or twitter who love their anime, love their emojis, love their ships and jpop and whatnot, yet are first to call for the anime industry to be creatively gutted. This is the worst kind of cultural appropriation and imperialism that true anime fans should want no part of, even if they hate pornography.
>>327530
I really do think it's time we add a /l/ board. Because the server is hosted in the USA it's not illegal. Someone needs to tell Hiro that
i-if hiro adds an /l/ board does that mean he also has to add a /shota/ board?
>>327573
I think it would be better to simply make less-moderated /a/, less-moderated /v/, less-moderated /co/, etc. This is what /b/ was supposed to be before it became a general dumping ground.
4chan really doesn't need porn dumps, since it's not good at it anyway. 4chan should create spaces where users can discuss and occasionally post porn if they are inclined to do so, without having to juggle arbitrary and broadly written rules, or dealing with people obsessed with traditions, or call-out culture.
>>327583
>make less-moderated /a/
No, eat shit, if you want to shitpost go to the shitposting boards. /a/ is one of the most moderated boards and it still needs more active moderation, and for them to follow the board culture like they (usually) do.
>>327605
I didn't mean current /a/ should be less moderated. I meant that less moderated versions of /a/ be created.
If you like moderation, go to regular /a/. If you don't like moderation, go to alt /a/. This is how Futaba works. It's no skin off anyone's nose.
>>327618
That's a stupid idea. Not just will it actually split the userbase, and give the mods unneeded work, it will only help the growth of bad shitposting culture. /a/ is perfectly fine how it is, and doesn't need any more boards or splits for it. What it needs is the mods to pull their heads of their arses and do their job and actually revise the current rules to solve regular problems we have after discussing it with /a/nons
>>327673
>Not just will it actually split the userbase
That's like saying /h/ splits the userbase.
>give the mods unneeded work
A board without moderation requires minimal work, and likely reduces the amount of work on /a/.
>it will only help the growth of bad shitposting culture
No, it just means one group of posters cannot hold another group of posters hostage to their standards, or whatever they believe is proper "culture."
>>327679
>No, it just means one group of posters cannot hold another group of posters hostage to their standards, or whatever they believe is proper "culture."
/a/ has had this culture because they had no moderation, that's where self moderation comes from, you still wouldn't be able to ask for recs there anon.
>>327679
>That's like saying /h/ splits the userbase.
/h/ isn't for discussion, its a dump board
>No, it just means one group of posters cannot hold another group of posters hostage to their standards, or whatever they believe is proper "culture."
This is retarded. A board without that standard or "culture" is just /v/. All your asking for is a extra board that serves no purpose other than for people to shitpost. It won't stop people from shitposting in /a/, but it will increase its amount as people come for shitposting /a/ and then come back to /a/ to shitpost in it as well
Low quality shitposting is bad and should not be catered to.
>>327691
>All your asking for is a extra board that serves no purpose other than for people to shitpost.
No, I'm asking for boards where the NSFW rules are not in effect, but users are also not coerced into treating it as a porn dump.
I do not know why you keep bringing up shitposting, that isn't my concern. But the proliferation of users who labels anything they don't like as "shitposting", is.
>>327706
Then say you want a red board variant for all blue boards, you ignorant fuck. Lightly moderated board means shitposting, what you want is to post porn.
>>327719
Given nipplegate on /a/ and the entirely nebulous definition of shitposting, less moderation would be requisite. I explained very clearly in the post you responded to.
>without having to juggle arbitrary and broadly written rules, or dealing with people obsessed with traditions, or call-out culture.
That is not just a red board.
>>327706
>>327728
>I'm asking for boards where the NSFW rules are not in effect
Yea, while its a dump board, >>>/h/ is what you are asking for. The nippleshit has already been resolved and the seasonalshit is allowed, as long as its spoilered. H-manga already has sad panda threads, all the left there is actual animated porn, which already has /h/. Giving porn a place to 'discuss' without image dumps simply won't work, because the nature of the content will always end up with people dumping, making another board redundant.
What you're asking for already exist, with the exception you want slightly less moderation and you just don't like the 'culture' the board has. Both of them don't have enough weight to need another board, with the latter because actually retarded, because there is nothing wrong with /a/ 'culture', as your only problem with it is probably that it heavily dislikes shitposting and encourages posting quality
>>327745
>with the exception you want slightly less moderation and you just don't like the 'culture' the board has.
No, that's not what I want. Nipplegate demonstrated that mods do come into conflict with prevailing culture, the rules really are arbitrary, and even now there is still disagreement within the board's denizens. Just because Hiro settled it is no guarantee that such conflict would not arise in the future, and I have neither expectation nor faith he would address ever single occurrence.
>H-manga already has sad panda threads, all the left there is actual animated porn, which already has /h/
Then what about other boards like /co/ and /v/? I don't think you can honestly call /aco/ a conflict-free success at the moment, nor can anyone say with a straight face that the mods are going along with the wishes of most posters.
The issues always come down to moderation. It's a constant shoving match. I simply propose the option of not having to engage in it.
>because the nature of the content will always end up with people dumping
Based on similar sites, that's not true. I'm hesitant to name specific examples, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.
>because there is nothing wrong with /a/ 'culture'
I never said there's something inherently wrong with /a/ culture. I simply don't buy the assertion that everyone agrees on what that culture is. Again, I'll point to nipplegate as an example where both sides had fierce proponents.
>>327760
>Nipplegate demonstrated that mods do come into conflict with prevailing culture
No, that was nothing more than a single newfag mod going rouge because he didn't like how /a/ was doing things. Nothing has changed at all, in any form. The people against it are either newfags or shitposters. What has been clarified in a sticky was already approved in mod and moot posts numerous times and no one has ever had a problem with it
>Then what about other boards like /co/ and /v/? I don't think you can honestly call /aco/ a conflict-free success at the moment
Every fucking board for its first few months is a cess-pool, actually give it some fucking time, the mods won't be able to do what they want for long with Bunny Moot around. Westerners don't make porn games, and the only ones I know of are flash ones, but I've never heard of anyone actually trying to discuss those. Everything else is vn's and the like, which respectively belong on, /jp/, /h/, and /vg/. /v/ doesn't need worry about a red board anyway, what it needs is a purge to start anew
>I simply don't buy the assertion that everyone agrees on what that culture is
Most people who don't get it haven't lurked /a/. /a/ if anything has one of the most simple cultures, which is mostly just fuck off and lurk moar. All the unwritten rules can easily be picked off seeing a few threads, because /a/ is one of the most vocal boards against things it doesn't like
>The issues always come down to moderation. It's a constant shoving match. I simply propose the option of not having to engage in it.
This is solved with bunny forcing the mods to listen and talk, as he is. Not engaging with the mods and letting no moderation only allows shitposting
>>327379
>traced CP
It doesn't exist.
>>327376
4chan already attracts real pedos, that doesn't mean they stir up anything. The problem is further complicated by the fact that different countries and different cultures have different views on sexuality, and thus different ages of consent. The English-speaking world is the only one to have such high AoCs and they are only likely to increase. In the future, you'll sociolegally be a child if you're under 30 and people will start calling each other pedophiles even though a biological child stops being one at age 11. It's already happening: Obamacare considers you a "child" if you're under 26.
The rest of the world may occasionally laugh at you but what boggles our minds is that you're actually serious about this nonsense.
>>327379
It would look like shit.
/l/ should act mostly like /c/.
>>327530
good post.
>>327855
>Obamacare considers you a "child" if you're under 26.
Sorta. There's something similar with the military insurance: you're a 'dependent,' if you're are a child of an active or retired member of the military personnel, that if you have above 18 but less than 26, you are not married, and are in college, and but so then you can use the insurance so provided. I highly doubt age-of-consent laws will change here.
>>328011
Leftists are always pushing it to be increased.
>>327194
No.
>>328445
>wahhhhh lemme shitpost all I want :(
Kill yourself.
>>327530
That 4chan openly enables pedophilia? I don't see that being good for the 4chan brand.
>>330930
>muh brand
There is no reputation to keep. No one is asking to allow CP either.
>>330941
Do you think you are not a paedophile because you like DRAWN child porn? Maybe you should look up the definition of paedophile.
>>330942
Except real CP is illegal, loli isn't.
>>326616
>when the leftist pedohysteria
>implying the sentiment is even left wing
the right are the ones who started it and have continued it. at least in the US and Europe.
>>330949
Of course. But there is a large overlap of people that like both. Just like there is a large overlap of people who like drawn gay porn and who also like real gay porn.
>>330959
What does that have to do with anything?
Some pedophiles like 2D as well so anyone that likes 2D likes 3DPD now?
>>330963
It's the false equivalence and slippery slope fallacies combined.
>>330963
What are you even talking about?
If you like Lolicon you are a paedophile by definition. You're sexually attracted to children. Just like if you're male and like Yaoi you're at least bisexual by definition.
A /l/ board would just be a hive of literal paedophiles. Is that illegal if they only post Lolicon? No. Is that a demographic that a website that has countless legal issues relating to paedophile users wants? For eleven years the answer to that has been no.
>>330970
4chan's rules and Yotsuba were vastly different in 2004. Your fearmongering about the outcome is speculation at best. Popular boorus and even other chans don't have the problem 4chan fears so much, perhaps because it's a problem people have created and exarcebated themselves.
>>326611
If a female character looks (important: looks) like a child, she's a loli. That's it. That's all there is to it.
If you're too retarded to have the wrong idea of what constitutes a female human child, then there's nothing we can do for you.
>>330974
Stop responding to such obvious bait dammit.
His "logic" dictates that anyone who plays shootan games must be a rampant serial killer IRL.
>>326611
>Misty from Pokemon is stated to be 10 (which is underage)
In the anime.
She's in her 20s by the time of BW2.
>>331045
Stop making stupid strawman arguments you faggot.
How delusional are you? Do you actually believe you can enjoy drawn gay porn as a straight man?
Does watching Lolicon mean you are a child abuser? No. Does it mean that you are attracted to children? Yes.
Does watching gay porn mean you have sex with other men? No. Does it mean you are attracted to men? Yes.
Fuck off you absolute runt.
>>331073
>arguing from fallacy even though what was stated is objectively correct
You tried.
>>331076
Look at this retard who thinks straight men enjoy gay porn.
Jesus christ you are in denial.
>>331061
>best whishes 2
you mean b2w2, as in black 2 white 2 ;^]
in the anime they don't age
>>331078
Ad hominem is not going to validate your invalid point.
>>331073
>damage controlling this hard
lel
>>331081
Invalid point.
What invalid point? Where did I say that watching Lolicon makes you a child abuser?
You just enjoy putting words in my mouth because you know you can't win. Enjoy sexual depictions of men makes you at least bisexual. Enjoying sexual depictions of children makes you a paedophile.
PAEDOPHILE =/= CHILD ABUSER.
End yourself.
>>331087
>being this buttblasted from being proven wrong
My fucking sides.
Amusing thread.
Closet paedos that cannot accept their identity even though they are sexually turned on by depcitions of children.
Now then, let's remind ourselves of the meaning of the word "paedophile".
>paedophile
>ˈpiːdə(ʊ)fʌJl/
>noun
>noun: paedophile; plural noun: paedophiles; >noun: pedophile; plural noun: pedophiles
>a person who is sexually attracted to children.
What truly is hilarious is that these people think looking at sexual depictions of children does not mean they are attracted to children,
This is like a """"straight"""" man thinking he is straight even though he watches gay porn.
Delusion at it's finest.
>>331097
Literally "wahhhhhhhh :(", the post.
>>331100
>being this buttblasted from being proven wrong
My fucking sides. Stay mad paedo in denial.
>>331101
>parroting my post
Oh boy, your rectum must be burning a lot.
>>331108
It's okay. Everyone hates your mentally ill kind. Especially the staff for all the legal problems you've caused them.
You'll never, EVER get your paedo board. Stay mad.
>>331073
>oh no being attracted to children is s o w r o n g
3dpd forever and ever bud
>>331112
I never caused the staff any issues. You're only projecting your own insecurities, mate ;)
>>331112
Why is Mashiro SO CUTE?
>>331125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEDc2xAtIVI
Not the anon you quoted but the guy he was arguing with and failing at miserably :)
>>331097
>thinks drawings are real
>calls others delusional
lel
>>327530
>>327476
Yeah I agree with this, the anti-loli/shota rules are just nonsense.
It's really an inconsistency that comes from moot's hatred of them.
>>330942
>>330959
>>330970
They're right, you are making a false equivalence there.
The thing is, drawn "children" aren't really children, well they're not even human, and some people might simply not see them as the same as real children, sexually I mean.
So they can be attracted to a drawn character because they don't perceive it the same as a child from a sexual perspective.
Or they can like child-like bodies, yet be disgusted with the idea of real children. Of course this can be because of denial, but it also could simply be lack of attraction towards the idea of a "child" and simply preference for the body type.
>But there is a large overlap of people that like both
Well of course, so what? That doesn't mean lolicons are pedophiles, only that some pedophiles are lolicons too.
>>330970
>If you like lolicon you are a pedophile by definition. You're sexually attracted to children.
No, because the term refers to attraction to children. Drawings have no age. One can see them as "children" but isn't that just confusing fantasy for reality?
It's like those people who say that violence in videogames leads to violence in real life, in reality it's them who can't distinguish fantasy from reality. And I'm not saying, "they're pedophiles but won't ever touch a real child", I am saying they're not necessarily pedophiles since they might see the real and the 2D world differently.
Look at how many /a/nons don't like 3D at all.
>Just like if you're male and like Yaoi you're at least bisexual by definition
That's not a very strong argument since many consider, say, traps to not be "gay".
I guess the problem is the idea that they either like men or they do not.
One can see both traps and lolis/shotas as something in between.
>>330949
This actually depends on your state. Federally it's fine but state laws could be different. For example in mine they'll hit you with every single ounce of the law if they catch you with it.
>>331343
>yfw anon thinks he's talking with a fellow American
>yfw I'm not even from the US but at least loli is legal here
>>330942
>>330959
>>330970
>>331073
>>331087
>>331097
>Why hasn't Japan banned child-porn comics?
Because HOWAITO PIGGU GO HOMU!
This thread is problematic and of great concern to the well being of children throughout the world, and thus we demand it be censored from all Japanese ip addresses.
Sincerely,
The UN
>>331469
>United Nations
>ever being genuinely concerned about anything
>>330953
Honestly, it goes from both sides, some leftists argue that it normalizes pedophilic behaviour and makes people rape more children in total. From right you can hear people say it's immoral to want to have sex with cartoon children and that it is sign of decadent society and that it's sickening.
I personally dislike political right, but you should be still truthful and realistic when blaming someone.
>>331490
>it normalizes pedophilic behaviour and makes people rape more children in total
Even though it's logically fallacious and objectively false.
>>331496
>missing the point this much
Did you seriously even properly read what I wrote?
>>331506
I did. I simply made a side note.
>>331523
So you think that /l/ is immoral and sign of decadent society?
>>331527
No.
>>331529
It seemed to be implied by the fact that you didn't refute that part of the post while refuting other part. Next time at least do the job properly. Good day sire.
>>331531
How could it be implied? Surely you would've expected me to NOT think like that.
>>331215
>gets off to Yaoi but thinks he's straight "because it's not real"
You're gay.
You guys do realise that /b/ is already hosting loli/shota right? It's not like /b/ is on a different server in sri lanka.
>>332598
At least this confirms that loli isn't trash :^)
>>332092
>gets off to fake filthy Koreans but thinks he's not a faggot "because they're real"
You're a faggot.
