Can someone explain the appeal of right-wing politics? I've never seen this done, they always try to meme their way out of it.
You can't even mention you hate memes without a million of dumb arse kids thinking ohhhh im gonna type lel 8/8 gr8 h8 m8, others replying top kek rekt, i don't even fucking understand what kek or lel is, or why they put top in front of it, what is it suppose to be like the new lulz? i don't know why they say it, like they somehow thing saying it will make me mad, when im just laughing at how pathetic it is, ill give you one example when i attempted to delve into the psyche of one of these people, i replied to someone saying damn, all this lel you mad bullshit is pathetic and old, go learn some decent insults, he replies with u med Lel its k cause I dox u Lel u mad faget? and of course people are like ohh man you rekt him so hard, he actually replies to the guy with tnx m8, someone else says wow you keked the shit out of him, and said hey m8 fuk u to me, the kid replies with dinner at my place guys lel the food is my mums pussy lol guys IMA savage, i just said holy shit, learn to troll, seriously, insulting mums is like the lowest and most unoriginal form of insults, then he replies with this... suck me cock cunt, now i figured it was just some guy posting the most unoriginal shit just to piss me off, but just the fact he said cunt i knew it really was some kid, im aware that yanks tend to say cunt because there its viewed as worse then fuck, someone else replies with me 0, kid 1 and the kid replies again with thx m8 when he was clearly being sarcastic, i reply with well shit, calling me a cunt? now you are just grasping at straws, do the world a favor and take a long walk off a short cliff you pathetic 12 year old yank
There have been several discussions about it but the conclusion often is that it's the easy way out. Its relatively simplistic view of the world and abuse of abstract concepts (nation, religion, traditions, etc.) make it easy to appeal to the masses who have accumulated anger. Left-wing politics on the other hand require a considerable amount of study of theory and economics before you can seriously consider supporting them or not.
Of course I'm not talking about liberals/hippies/conservatives but people who actually are into politics (anarchists/communists/syndicalists/mutualists/libertarians/nazis/fascists/etc.).
>>346362
Right wing people prefer freedom to equality.
Left wing people prefer equality to freedom.
You can extrapolate from there why Right Wing Politics are better or worse.
>>346407
>Right wing people prefer freedom to equality.
>Left wing people prefer equality to freedom.
That's the most simplistic and american way of seeing the political spectrum I've seen.
The left proposes collectivized means of production (socialism), while the right proposes individualized means of production (capitalism). In reality both sides want freedom, they just propose different ways of achieving it. The right proposes economic freedom = personal freedom, while the left proposes economic freedom = personal slavery.
>>346414
Everything you just said is built from the freedom vs equality yinyang.
The left want people on the bottom to rise up with the help of the government assistance making them more equal.
The right want the people on the bottom to rise up by their own ambition making them more free.
Political views aren't supposed to have "appeal", they're supposed to represent what you think is right.
Left wing politics aims to provide resources, happiness and aid to everyone even if it means compromising the quality of infrastructure or censoring concepts that interfere with a worldview of pure equality and justified charity. The left is a movement that's tired of and disgusted with the hatred and killing in history so it constructs theoretical happy utopias that don't tend to work.
"Right wing" ideologies are a perverted concept because they encompass everything that falls away from the left wing idea whether it be an objective worldview that goes against the left wing idea or militaristic fascism that aims to kill all leftists. A person who is against welfare because they value hard work, property and capitalism is put in the same camp as a neo-nazi who wants to take over the earth and genocide all but one ethnic group. This "right-wing" designation is often used as a tool by the left to make all other ideologies look like greater hitler or lesser hitler any way you slice it.
Right-wing politics understand that left-wing ideologies are unsustainable and undermine (the very broad concepts of) honor and masculinity so they believe in a large range of things that don't fall into the leftist concept.
You are probably talking about babyniggers on the interbutt that don't have actual political opinions but just associate themselves with groups and say shit the group commonly says. I know a lot of people would have a far more educated concept of wing politics than I but at least I say something more than "fugging kek SJW niggenog :^))))"
>>346451
>The left want people on the bottom to rise up with the help of the government assistance making them more equal.
No, that's social democracy. It's a form of capitalism mixed with social welfare.
Leftists (communists, anarcho-communists, syndicalists, mutualists, socialists, democratic socialists, etc.) don't want that. All of them want to disassemble capitalism and build a stateless and decentralized society where everyone is free and doesn't have to live in fear of being exploited or starving in the process.
>The right want the people on the bottom to rise up by their own ambition making them more free.
You're using the definition of "freedom" made by capitalists, which is basically just the "freedom" to have slaves, and the "freedom" to starve to death.
>>346500
>Left wing politics aims to provide resources, happiness and aid to everyone even if it means compromising the quality of infrastructure
See >>346504 - that's social democracy.
>or censoring concepts that interfere with a worldview of pure equality and justified charity.
Nice bullshit taken out of your ass. Nazi germany also censored and even killed people with interfering worldviews, it doesn't mean all right-wingers want to do that (libertarians for example are very pro-free-speech, just like anarchists in the left).
>(the very broad concepts of) honor and masculinity
See, this is the appeal to abstract concepts mentioned in >>346399 - an easy cop out to appeal to the masses with beautiful words that don't really mean much in reality - in other words, populism.
>>346504
What fantasy land do you live in if you think "the right" feels that way about "socialism"?
Do you think dictionary definitions are what people actually think?
>>346362
The same as the appeal of left-wing politics, but for people that prefer the opposite.
>>346577
>What fantasy land do you live in if you think "the right" feels that way about "socialism"?
Where did I even mention that in my post?
>>346586
Oh was it pic unrelated?
>>346588
It was semi-related since you (or he) mentioned that leftists are the ones who want help from the government (welfare). It's a common misconception; leftists want socialism, which is the collectivization of the means of production (democracy at work, basically). It doesn't have to do with the government.
>>346504
>The left want this
>No that's something the left wants.
Yes yes, very good, Steven, there are many different ways to say the same thing.
>>346593
The left wants Social Democracy, which the right CALLS Socialism. The left doesn't actually want Socialism.
>>346500
>Left wing politics aims to provide resources, happiness and aid to everyone even if it means compromising the quality of infrastructure or censoring concepts that interfere with a worldview of pure equality and justified charity.
And wrong. Maybe modern branches of left wing politics think that, but applying it to every single branch is fucking retarded. But clearly you're a retard. There's three main branches of thought.
Classical Conservatism: Typical right wing ideology. Focuses on tradition and unity of the nation. Tends to be slower to change for this very reason because it's about being conservative. Not really advocating for progress or fixing what isn't broken.
Classical Liberalism: Typical left wing ideology. Much more understanding of things that aren't traditional. Typically iconoclastic and defending free speech, even if it's against said nation. Much quicker to accept change because it is seen as moving forward, hence "progressivism".
Moderates: People who are in the middle and take elements from both sides of the fence. The majority because the majority isn't typically fully conservative or fully liberal.
That's a great deal different than the modern branches of all three.
Modern Conservatism: MUH GUN MUH CHRISTIANITY KILL NIGGERS 1865 BEST YEARS MURICA!
Modern Liberalism: U SED A WOMAN OR MINORITY WAS BAD? RACIST! SEXIST!
Modern Moderate: Pussy cowards who have no real convictions of any sort.
I suggest you look into the roots of where conservatism and liberalism came from before going "yeah, all left wingers are X". Because classical liberals have more in common with conservatives than they do with modern liberalism which is just "accept everything for its own sake, no matter the consequences".
>>346596
The democratic party isn't "the left", american.
>>346601
Yeah.
>>346609
Are you mentally handicapped? You're missing the point. We're having a conversation about actual politics, not pop american "politics". Politics don't exist in the US. If we're teaching political concepts, we might as well teach correct ones, instead of using corrupted ones by american mass propaganda.
In popular speak, "theory" actually refers to an hypothesis, and "law" refers both to a theory and a law. But if we were to talk about science, we would use the correct fucking concepts.
Besides, the Internet is made up of people from all around the world, if you want to learn politics you better stop watching TV and learn the proper concepts and political movements that have constructed our world throughout history and still exist today. This is the whole point of my previous posts.
I don't even know why I should have to explain you this.
>>346620
No, you're wrong. We're having a conversation about politics with relation to the OP post which is written from the perspective of an American.
OP asked a question and it's our job to answer it.
OP is an American. He MEANT to ask what's good about REPUBLICANS. Stop being so egocentric.
>>346621
Wow, explaining concepts is being egocentric now?
If he wants to stay in a hugbox of mistaken concepts it's fine, but in that case I don't see why you'd ask about it in the first place.
But if you really want to, then democrats and republicans are basically the same thing, there isn't appeal to any of them and it's a football match disguised as politics. You pick a team and shit on the adherents of the opposing team.
There, I explained American politics. We can end the thread now.
>>346627
>democrats and republicans are basically the same thing
Explain how.
>>346627
>We can end the thread now.
I'll keep going but I'll be very happy to see you leave. Bye.
>>346639
He's right. On paper they're different. Each side says some various different things regarding policy, and even then not much, but in practice there is no actual difference.
You'll always hear "we'll stop illegal immigration" from both sides. Both will fix the economy. Both will do X, Y, and Z. It's all the same in terms of what they want to accomplish. Which could be said for a lot of parties, but once they're in office none of those things actually happen. They both just serve the interests of whichever group has money and influence.
So, while theoretically they SHOULD be different, in practice they have never actually been different. In the past they were, but modern Republicans and Democrats are essentially two sides of the same coin. There's only cosmetic differences in their stated policy before they get in office and proceed to just be lapdogs whoring themselves out to whoever has the most power and money. And I say this as an American who pays attention to politics and watches fucking C-Span all the time.
And there's a simple way to prove this. Take some other country and take two parties there. Tell me what they've done with that power and accomplished and note the differences. Now try the same with Democrats and Republicans. There's no difference to really be spotted. And that's because unlike most nations with many parties, our politicians could afford to get lazy because they've effectively got people so lazy that there's only two choices. And if we get mad at one, we vote in the other. Political laziness made it so there didn't have to be a difference and they'd get elected in anyway. It's not like they had to make big changes or get voted out by some third, fourth, or any number of other contenders.
>>346651
> in practice they have never actually been different. In the past they were
>Never
>in the past they were
Please revise. I don't want to reply to something so poorly written as I can't possibly interpret it as you meant it to be interpreted.
>>346663
Never as in "in our lifetimes", retard. Unless you're a senior citizen odds are you've never lived during a time in which political parties had any significant difference in America. I think the last was probably Eisenhower during the 40s. After that? Not a whole lot.
But good job focusing on one little thing and ignoring everything else. But it just wasn't strong enough to discredit everything I said, pal.
george bush did global warming
Does anyone in here miss Jon Stewart? I have to now get my news from Bill Maher and John Oliver who, while he is just as correct about everything (cops are bad, black lives matter etc.) the jokes just aren't as good. So I have that problem lately.
>>346670
Why would you get your news from comedy sources? Those guys may be funny, but they're not meant to be serious news outlets. Or have we finally hit Amusing Ourselves to Death levels here where everything has to be about amusement and not just news?
>>346677
Because all the serious news outlets are shit. I defy you to name a single good one.
>>346679
C-Span, AP, Reuters, etc. Basically any news outlet that doesn't necessarily have commentary and just says "hey, this happened". At least then I know what actually happened rather than getting my news from only stories that have good jokes about them.
>>346407
Educate yourself before speaking please.
>>346665
Did you want me to pick apart all of the errors in your post? Because I can.
Do you write things for other people to read, or just so you can write things? Consider the perspective of your audience before you hit the submit button. You're just yelling past people and neither teaching nor learning.
>>346677
A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down in the most delightful way.
>>346697
Do you have a tablet? That is some clean writing.
>>346697
You realize this is 4chan and informal, right? I'm not writing a fucking college dissertation here.
>>346715
So what are you hoping to achieve from your posts? Are you trying to improve your social standings? Trying to better yourself? Trying to better somebody else? Just having fun?
How many of those four things do you think you're doing right now? I'm trying to better you.
>>346688
>AP, Reuters
Throw in RT and FOX and you've got some mighty fine news outlets there my dearest friend
>>346731
Alright. If AP And Reuters, the main source of news for pretty much every news outlet before it hits their commenters are too biased and on par with conspiracy theory tard level RT and FOX; what's your idea of a good news source? Do enligten me.
>>346732
You can hand-wave and write like a haughty pseudointellectual teenager who's got it all figured out, or you can accept the truth that your absolute favorite news sources are biased in their reporting and what they too often leave out of their dude deep journalism lmao
Or you can do both. I don't really care. Do enlighten yourself, though.
>ITT
Libtards feeling the heat. I hope Trump deports you all to Africa.
>>346753
hello, r/4chan!
>>346762
Hello Tumblr.
This is the appeal of the Right. While you sit their pontificating the esoteric nature of anal sex the right empowers people to act. Cry like the pack of shrill harridans you all are all. The agenda is never set by the majority it is set by a determined minority,
Personally i hope the right are as ruthless enacting their agenda as the left have been over the last decade.
there aren't enough fedoras on planet earth for this thread
>>346762
I like that you had to change what you said because Hiro doesn't allow you to shitpost so easily.
>>346740
So, just busy being a shitposting fag with nothing to add to the conversation. Okay.
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it...
>>346782
>the conversation
You asking tedious uninformed gradeschool questions is not a conversation. You can just admit you're wrong instead of just crying "s-stop memeing!", you know.
>>346775
>I don't understand politics outside of immigration and nuking brown people.
>green words
>>346787
>i don't understand politics outside of dude weed and gay people.
Here is a question. Why do you think the left failed so miserably with the working class since the years of Reagen & Bush.
hel hilter 48 73
>meanwhile at fedora fest 2015
Does Trump reallt have The stuff or is he a Fizzle ?
>>346795
he's a meme
might as well put a write in vote for papi the toad
>>346796
No more of a meme than wojack sanders
>>346798
chinaman
>>346362
Personal reponsibility, being in charge of your own fate, cherishing the freedom that you were born with.
Leftism is all about growing the size of the state, making people dependent on the state's power, and taking away freedom from the people. As we all know, absolute power corrupts absolutely, so it should not be the desire of any sane person to live in a leftist world.
>>346362
>Left-wing: Wealth is infinite and we can give everyone stuff for free and we are all equal :3
>Right-wing: No.
>>346807
There are left wing anarchists y'know.
>>346812
>>346818
>implying
>>346826
>>346830
>implying
>>346830
le ebin lels!!!!!!!!!! i leld so epically!!!!!!!!!! so epic!!!!!!!!!!
>>346814
No, left wing anarchy would be an oxymoron, and anyone who thinks he is a left wing anarchist is just a moron.
Thanks for joining le us le tonight XD
>>346362
H-hitler did n-nothing wrong lol amicoolyet? xDD
>>346855
[YouTube] upvote REDDIT STYLE (embed)
>>346855
Refugees Welcome! amicoolyet? Xdd
>>346860
[YouTube] upvote REDDIT STYLE (embed)
>>346801
samefagging doesn't mean what you think it means
go back to, let's say, Newgrounds.
How do you even measure gumption?
>>346865
Come back when you're a little, mmmmm, smarter!
>>346866
>6666
nice, I really dig these groovy numbers bro!
>>346807
probably the best post in the thread right here
>>346868
Thanks...... I fell grooby
>>346873
good thing you were here to make it, Greg
Why'd some idiot come in and start spamming the thread with bullshit? Some 16 year old kid mad about the adults having a civilized conversation?
>>346775
probably the best post in the thread right here
>>346868
probably the best post in the thread right here
>>346878
Did you know that Mike Zegelburg sells your vacation photos to the lizard jews for bitcoins
>>346885
probably the best post in the thread right here
>>346884
pft.... that's nothing, kid
the trve red-pill shit I've seen. . . . .. . . if you saw it, you'd fuckin' die, that's how hardcore it is
Alright, most of the pro-left stuff so far is bullshit and most of the pro-right stuff is opinion/ad hominem soup, so I'm going to try and clear this up.
1. The first appeal of right-wing politics is that it shines a light back to the old days. Hitler wanted Nazi Germany to be like the old Reich. It worked. Trump wanted America to be great again. It worked. People are always longing for the old days, simpler times. Although, once you achieve those times, they are never as great as you thought they would be, but you are happy that you have them anyway.
2. However, right wing politics also has an appeal in keeping the status quo where it's at, keeping a country stable and progressing slowly in the ways it is easy to progress in. Leftist politics usually envoke large shifts that are more often than not, a shift for the worse (think China's cultural revolution). Right wing politics want to keep things the same, and that way the people at the top will continue to be happy and at the top, and the people at the bottom will be tended to when necessary.
3. Right wing politics tend to be more straight-forward, no small text that no-one reads, everything has a decisive goal with a decisive point. Leftist governments usually spiral in a strange cycle, extreme to moderate to extreme and back again, with no real point to pursue, but rather the point keeps moving. Trump says 'build the wall, keep the mexicans out'. That's his goal. Even a child could understand what he wants to do. Lenin says 'we will keep adding more and more socialism until we achieve true communism'. That's his goal as well, but you have to have read a lot of communist texts to get an understanding of what he really means. He doesn't have a specific goal either, and he applies the socialism in different ways that change from time to time, and ultimately fail to bring true communism.
>tl;dr right wing keeps it where it's at
>>346897
Delete your post, shithead. I can't, I seriously CANNOT fucking believe that you wasted your time typing out this godawful reply. Do you think your shit-tier comment would get any logical or knowledgeable insight? Did you just HAVE to express your broken emotions by fiddling your fat fingers all over your keyboard? Maybe you don't even have a keyboard, maybe you're posting from your fucking iPhone, I don't know, but I will find out. I hope you understand that people report this kind of shit because it's abysmal, pointless and down-right idiotic. The mods won't put up with this shit, and that's how I'm going to find you and your iPhone. I can email the people who will trash your post and have them give me your IP, and with your IP, your home-address. I can order as many fucking pizzas as my mind can handle, and believe me, my mind is fucking HUGE. I could literally spend all day torturing you, kid. Your only hope is to DELETE YOUR FUCKING POST.
DELETE YOUR FUCKING POST
D E L E T E Y O U R F U C K I N G P O S T
>>346897
>quoting your own post
wew lad
>>346362
This thread belongs in /pol/ why are there so many retards from reddit on this board?
It's pretty funny that a lot of you claim to be educated but the quality and ignorance of your posts suggest otherwise.
Leftists are useful idiots think carefully why you believe what you do.
>>346908
>It's pretty funny
you knwo what else is funny
dogs in hats
>>346381
holy shit this was awesome, saved
>be me 3
>eat a cake
>vomit the cake
>crying to mommy
>wow
>>346517
Did you even read his post
>>346896
You basically admitted that the appeal of the right wing is a simplistic worldview that appeals to idiots and assholes who want to stay in power.
>>347249
you basically admitted that your a homosexual jewish islamic atheist liberal moonbat jew italian tumblreddit jew
>>346896
>Trump wanted America to be great again. It worked.
How exactly did it work? He hasn't won yet.
>Can someone explain the appeal of left-wing politics? I've never seen this done, they always try to meme their way out of it.
Why wasn't this the first reply? Why does /leftypol/ get a pass?
Why is politics such a shitty pastime and why do only the worst of the worst get invested in them?
>>347284
>Why is politics such a shitty pastime and why do only the worst of the worst get invested in them?
Politics isn't a "pastime", it has to do with how our social system is organized and impacts you and everyone around you deeply.
>>347307
Unless you are in a office of political power like a monarch or senator or have metric assloads of cash, politics are a hobby and an excuse to get really mad about nothing and still feel like that anger is righteous.
Pizza isn't a cake, captcha. Just stop.
>>347326
What? You're fucking retarded, we're the ones who put those assholes in power, and we're the ones who have to periodically rise to stop them from fucking us over every a couple of centuries. You stop copping out and believing you have nothing to do with it. What a escapist little fuck you are.
>>347264
tfw futureposting
>>347339
I really don't have any influence on politics and neither do you unless you're filthy stinkin rich. It's just a indulgence in self righteousness and a stupid man's "smart man's hobby."
>>347339
>He thinks the US isn't an oligarchy
Your vote is meaningless unless you're one of the only assholes in power that matter: the rich and elite.
>>347606
yeah a cops get too much power, and where is the legal smoking weed already? #legalizeit
>>347284
Probably because people actually HAVE explained the appeal left-wing politics in great detail? It's the right-wingers who never seem to have anything of value to say.
>>346399
Very succinct
Anyone else?
>>346399
This, desu.
I don't think even self described conservatives on 4chan are even right wing.
The "appeal" of right wing politics to most people nowadays is just the disapproval of the left. Most people want left wing politics to work, it would be great if they worked! But modern progressives are basically highjacking the entire left wing of the spectrum and turning it into a joke of microaggressions, privilege checking, getting rid of free speech and other rights for the sake of feelings, and other very profoundly illiberal things.
Also, lower taxes.
I have an unironic hard-on for carly fiorina
>>347606
I'm not talking about voting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exnaY0l4XsM
>>348269
I'm not gonna risk looking at that. Tell me the title of the video first.
>>348289
Time for Guillotines.
Because fiscal conservatism works.
Isn't it funny how the only half decent political discussions aren't on pol
>>348344
Makes sense. And then the people who try to shitpost those discussions ARE the ones from /pol/.
>>348346
u'd be suprise
>>347659
>Probably because people actually HAVE explained the appeal left-wing politics in great detail?
I've never seen a logical or convincing justification for the expansion of the size and power of the state.
>>348169
>Most people want left wing politics to work, it would be great if they worked! But modern progressives are basically highjacking the entire left wing of the spectrum and turning it into a joke of microaggressions, privilege checking, getting rid of free speech and other rights for the sake of feelings, and other very profoundly illiberal things.
You're wrong if you think that.
The whole objective of leftism is to grow the power of the state. A very profitable way to do that is to convince a group of people that they are helpless, and then sell them on the idea that the government can help them. Convincing leftists into believing that they are victims of "systemic racism," "microaggressions," and "the patriarchy" is just one way that is done. Just look at the demands of the crybullies at Mizzou. They say: "We want free college tuition!" What you should be hearing in that demand is: the government will increase taxes on the general public significantly.
>>348344
>this thread
>a half decent political discussion
That's rich.
The thing I value the most in society is better education, but mainly on practical things such as sciences, finances, and trades.
I think the modern progressive left is more concerned about making people feel better about themselves than trying to make them better people.
>>348401
>>348408
>grow the power of the state
No, the power of the state has nothing to do with the left or the right. It already has been said in this thread. Please stop spreading misinformation.
In the left you have anarchists/syndicalists and in the right you have libertarians, and both are anti-state.
In the left you also have Leninists and the right you have Nazis, both of which are pro-state.
>>348434
The left used to be about that (it still is in places like south america). But the left is pretty much dead in the first world by now. It's like all these kids believed the red scare propaganda from the 60s about leftists being whiny little faggots and thought that's what they should aim to be.
>>348460
Leftists want big government. Rightists want small government. How many times do you have to hear it for it to stick?
>>348410
You sure provided good evidence to disprove it.
>>348552
>evidence to disprove it.
What the hell do you want evidence for now? Read the thread. Most people don't even understand what left wing or right wing politics even are.
>>348563
It's kind of hard when the definition varies from region and history.
>>348568
Now you understand why flags and IDs make sense on /pol/ and maybe many other boards.
>>348563
Then please feel free to enlighten them instead of just shitposting like a retard.
>>348584
I did, earlier in the thread. Retard.
>>348631
Prove it. Bitch.
>>348646
Not with that attitude.
>>348698
Then you can suck my dick. Or cock.
>>346715
This right here is the very reason all political disucssions should stay on /b/.
>>346697
I can agree he's being autistic, but are seriously getting mad at him for using an Oxford comma?
>>346697
I thought you were going to attack his arguments, not to point fucking grammar errors. Nobody cares. Attacking the form of the argument instead of the substance is an embarrassing way of saying you don't have a counterargument.
>>346399
Ironically enough, you are as guilty of simplification as those whom you claim to be simpletons.
It's a form of politics that doesn't share your worldview.
Now stop telling your mod buddies to shit on anything right-wing because it makes you uncomfortable.
POP POP POP!!! I THOUGHT IT WAS FIREWORKS OR A CAR BACKFIRING!!! THEN I REALIZED IT WAS ME!!!! DIPSHIT WITH HUGE BULLET HOLES IN MY FACE AND HEAD!!!!! WELL MY FIRST REACTION WAS SANDY HOOK ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!! THEN I FAINTED AND BASHED MY CHIN ON THE DRINKING FOUNTAIN AND DIED AND WENT STRAIGHT TO HELL FOREVER AND GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE
>>349085
It was an embarrassing way to say he didn't deserve a counter argument. His post was nothing but arrogance in the form of "As a person who watches C-Span" and layman's pride.
His grammatical errors are a symptom of his refusal to revise, which is a symptom of his refusal to actually think. I replied to his original post with this >>346663 and got >>346665 in response, so I marked up the rest of his post because he was upset that I focused in on one small thing and wanted more negative attention.
He's the sort of person who begs questions, provides no sources, and then demands you back up your own sources.
Let's go into the part of the post that I circled. It'll be fun.
>Take same other country and take two parties there.
Okay. India.
>Tell me what they've done with that power and accomplished and note the differences.
Absolutely nothing except further the interests of multinational corporations and line the pockets of the few.
>Now try the same with Democrats and Republicans. There's no difference to really be spotted.
This is a joke, right? America has gotten WAY more done for the people with their two party system than India has. Any fool can see that.
Are you going to "No True Scott" me and say that India doesn't count? Perhaps you could have actually provided the example you wanted me to use instead of being too lazy to come up with one of your own.
While we're at it, I missed this part last time I marked up the post but I definitely should have circled this too.
>And I say this as an American who pays attention to politics and watches fucking C-Span all the time.
He says this as a child who parrots whatever he hears and forms no opinions of his own. He appeals to authority and has no real authority to back it up.
>>348948
I use the Oxford Comma myself. :^)
Politics aren't supposed to have an "appeal". It sounds to me like a lot of the kids n this thread think of politics like a fad, that or something you decide based on feelings. With that kind of wishy-washy approach to politics it doesn't surprise me so many young people have socialist leanings.
A lot of the people in the "right wing" category are only there because they simply do not follow neo-leftist dogma. In effect, they don't have a lot in common with other "right wingers" and only end up on that side of the fence because of the bogus right-left dichotomy that exists right now. Example: libertarians and the GOP. When you get right down to it, these two groups will not agree on a whole lot besides "less taxes", mostly because libertarians are made up of classical liberals and the GOP is made up of neoliberals and neocons.
You can't even really make a comprehensive itinerary of what the right believes in because it's such a mishmash of ideologies crammed together for the sake of maintaining this phony right-left narrative of American politics. The right has constitutionalists, it has classical liberals and neoliberals, it has neoconservatives, it has atheists and fundamentalist Christians, it has corporatist cronies and protectionists and laissez faire economists. Know what they all have in common? They aren't socialists, and they don't buy into identity politics.
That's your "right wing appeal" I guess.
>>349262
So why even vote?
>>346362
They understand everything wrong with liberals, then go and do it anyways but with their political bias and perspective.
I hope this was educational for you, OP.
>>346399
>implying that institutions of higher learning aren't already left-wing hugboxes
>implying the left doesn't have control of the public education system, which indoctrinates pupils until leftism is the easy way out
>implying a liberal/hippie/conservative can't be into politics
>>346414
>economic freedom = personal slavery
Nice doublespeak.
Personally I'm impressed this board actually has some people who can formulate arguments instead of just posting random lowercase nonsense.
>>350276
Shitposting is better than shitty arguments, desu senpai.
>>349857
It's about voting for whoever gives you the most stuff you agree with. For me, it's mostly libertarians. Libertarians don't win elections though, so that means I have to pick either a Democrat or a Republican if I want to have a real impact. Most of the time I end up having to side with the republicans even though I don't agree with 50% of their platform at least.
>>350289
To be completely honest, my friend: No, it is not. I'd rather someone say something completely stupid but well worded than all those "nothing" posts that have been leaking out of /s4s/.
Quite frankly, shitposting is NEVER better than something.
>>350406
Let me level with ya, partner. Nobody cares about your personal feelings. Start a blog and cry over yourself there. Thanks in advance!
>>350422
You make a good point, but allow me to present this counterargument: *kicks you in the dick* SUCK IT, BITCH!
>>350296
Is there any way that libertarians will be able to win elections? What is the point of these parties that are not Democrat or Republican, if they're not able to affect anything?
>>350428
I'm actually a real girl IRL, and your counterpoint is rendered invalid.
Another flawless victory.
>>350435
That just means I've dealt irreparable damage to your mons pubis with my steel-toed boots, and you are still faced with the ultimatum of "SUCK IT, BITCH!".
In the end, I don't give a fuck. I'll do what I want.
>>349262
It's the same thing in the left wing. You have Leninists who disagree with Stalinists who disagree with anarchists who disagree with mutualists who disagree with Maoists who disagree with Trotskyists who disagree with Titoists who disagree with Chavistas who disagree with social democrats who disagree with democratic socialists who disagree with liberals who disagree with communists who disagree with syndicalists and fuck, many many more.
Your post is incredibly biased.
>>350430
DEEZ NUTZ 2016
>>350271
Haven't you thought that maybe it's not a conspiracy but just highly educated people naturally tend to the left? It happens with scientists, scholars and artists in general. It also happened with /lit/.
>>350464
good troll
>>348538
That isn't true though. That's just a popular talking point.
The right wants big government that's focused on defence. They want small government with regard to welfare.
The left wants big government with regards to welfare. They want small government with regard to defence.
>>350500
That's still a generalization as there are too many groups who disagree with each other in both camps. Left in general has to do with revolution and the right has to do with reaction. Center is status quo.
>>350522
Nah, Right is "What I have right now, only better," and Left is "What I don't have."
Center isn't status quo at all.
>>350558
You're dumber than shit.
Politics are like tomatoes. Horrible.
>>346399
>it's the easy way out
Oh wow, would you look at that, the people who disagree with your opinions are simpletons who are yet too be enlightened
>>352607
This guy gets it
>>352787
Mushrooms too, while I'm at it.
What the fuck is this thread.
All I want to know is that you guys still think trannys deserve to burn right?
>>353415
No, and fuck you.
>>353415
I get 25 cents for every post I make about Donald Trump
>>353421
Same, desu
I regret all my years as a kneejerk leftist that assumed the Democrats and leftism was good because the Republicans and the right were le evil and scary.
I think the illusion was dispelled right around the time the left went from being the funny sensible guys that poked fun at the idiocy of the political machine to some sort of weird Nazi thought police gestapo, but without the cool uniforms, and this black lives matter shit was the nail in the coffin. It's like tumblr came to life and decided to annoy the entire world for a few years. Fuhrer Trump just needs to put the sword in it's heart already.
>>353460
What exactly is Trump going to do that's good for this country? Deporting Mexicans will only hurt us.
>>353473
>Deporting Mexicans will only hurt us
With 6 gorillion people out of work?
More labor supply = less labor demand
Fewer jobs, lower pay.
Kick out Mehicanos, build wall, rebalance trade, and get people working while we actually use our gigantic budget and military presence to protect ourselves for the first time.
>>353416
I'm sorry you mutilated your genitals
>>353488
The question is, will he actually be able to do anything or will he just be cockblocked by Congress like Obama was?
>>353492
I'm sorry you have shit taste.
>>353494
All he would need to do is enforce the laws on the books, and since he has authority over the military, he could militarize the border in lieu of a wall.
The public demand is totally on his side with immigration, so if congress tries to cockblock him they would only hurt themselves and get primaried.
Not enough government, quite frankly
>>348701
I only suck on eggs. Not on roosters.
>>353566
Google "halichoeres bivittatus" and tell me what you think about sucking one of those.
In this new action-comedy, everything about a young man named Saitama screams "AVERAGE," from his lifeless expression, to his bald head, to his unimpressive physique. However, this average-looking fellow doesn't have your average problem... He's actually a superhero that's looking for tough opponents! The problem is, every time he finds a promising candidate he beats the snot out of them in one punch. Can Saitama finally find an evil villain strong enough to challenge him? Follow Saitama through his hilarious romps as he searches for new bad guys to challenge!
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>>353578
College professors embrace with open arms people who submit their first draft, with no revisions, full of spelling and grammar errors, featuring gems such as "some various" and "There's only cosmetic differences".
Which college did you go to? University of Phoenix?
>>354089
Wow holy shit you didn't even read the post you're replying to did you
More like RepubliCAN'Ts
>>354124
I'm disagreeing with you. Try to keep up.
The thing that bothers me about conservatives is that most of them tend to be against gay marriage. It's just hard to imagine a person can be so shallow-minded.
>>354530
It's funny how they talk about liberals get offended and triggered all the time while they're no different, but from the opposite side.
>>354530
Nobody cares if two men or two women have sex with each other exclusively and pledge the rest of their lives together. I'm a conservative, and if you can find a church to gay-marry you, then I say more power to you. What we don't like is for gay couples to be doing things like:
1) taking advantage of the tax code and legal system when the majority of constituents in a state have made it clear that gay couples are not entitled to these perks (i.e., the actual residents of the respective states should be asked whether to legalize it, and it shouldn't be forced upon them by the SCOTUS),
2) forcing non-believers in the Church of Liberalism to bake penis cakes for gay weddings on penalty of hundred thousand dollar lawsuits (yes, this has actually happened),
3) adopting kids when it's been shown that kids who grow up in gay households end up much more fucked up and dependent on drugs/welfare than kids who grow up in actual families (yes, this has been proven).
All that said, if (and that's a big "if") gay marriage could ACTUALLY force gay men to be less promiscuous, spreading HIV at a lower rate than they already do (which is near-epidemic levels), then I'd fully support it, if only as a public health measure, which I think is what the SCOTUS was hoping for with their recent decision.
>liberals can't disprove any of this without resorting to character attacks, insults or passive-aggressive dismissal of facts
Prove me wrong, bug-chasers.
>>354547
Having moral values and a person believing that or she is a victim are not the same things. It may surprise you, but it's possible for disagreements to arise for many different reasons, and not just "getting offended/triggered."
>>346362
There was a pretty good post on /his/ recently about fascism as a post-modern ideology, that a bunch of humorless twats misappropriate.
...
>Mussolini is still inferior to based D'Annunzio.
D'Annunzio was in it only for the laughs. I mean, fascism is pretty much the first post-modern political doctrine, meaning that it must be a bit operatic and self referential, not completely serious*. As a fascist you need to be aware of the fact that you're constantly re-interpreting cultural and historical tropes and basically creating a narration instead of politics.
But D'Annunzio took it even further and never gave a shit about anything. The raised hand "roman salute" he introduced? He invented it for a film about ancient Rome that he wrote in 1915, but he liked it so much he ran with it. Or he orchestrated the largest air operation of Italy to date, the bombing raid on Vienna, just to impress a girl. They didn't even drop real bombs, but leaflets with his poems on it. Said poems weren't even translated to German because he disliked German and considered it unsuitable for expressing his thoughts.
*which, incidentally, is also why Nazis were so shitty. The Germans just don't have the sense of humour. Their attempt at empire-building was as pathetic as their attempts at comedy.
...
Sara Palin wants to give infant humans the right to life and that makes me furious
When did /qa/ become /leftypol/?
>>354593
It's an unlisted board, so there's practically been no new users until Hiro's announcement. The most obnoxious and persistent bullies usually get their way in a place like this. It's the perfect environment for the development of a liberal hugbox.
>>354572
>Having moral values and a person believing that or she is a victim are not the same things. It may surprise you, but it's possible for disagreements to arise for many different reasons, and not just "getting offended/triggered."
Why don't you apply the same logic with SJWs then? It's exactly the same thing.
>>354612
I'll play along...
SJWs believe that they are victims, and they get offended when their perceived victimizers say/do what they perceive to be victimizing things to them. For example, when a white person (victimizer) asks a brown-skinned SJW who speaks with a foreign accent (victim) where they come from, the SJW gets offended because they perceive that the question implies the "micro-aggression" of telling them that they are not welcome in the country. Thus, they get offended.
A conservative holds moral values, such as all life is precious and freedom is precious. When leftist government tells the conservative that not all life is precious, for example that slavery should be legal (yep, that was Democrats who fought FOR the institution of slavery and Republicans who fought to free the slaves), that we should import more immigrants to do work here but who are unable to move up in economic class because they lack citizenship (i.e., something like indentured servitude), or that black families shouldn't stay together so let's incentivize single motherhood through welfare... then the conservative speaks out against these things. Not because he's offended, but because he is willing to stand up against evil, and in some cases fight and die for what he believes in, because he believes it is right (e.g., the American Civil War).
Interesting. Turns out, it's NOT "exactly the same thing."
>>354628
So, essentially, you just regurgitate what you've heard elsewhere and throw your particular dumbass 'I don't actually understand what's happening' spin on it.
Quality post. Many happy returns.
>>354572
>and if you can find a church to gay-marry you
Nobody is talking about religious marriage. When people talk about gay marriage they talk about civil marriage.
>taking advantage of the tax code and legal system when the majority of constituents in a state have made it clear that gay couples are not entitled to these perks
This is a circular argument, you're arguing gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because gay marriage isn't allowed.
>forcing non-believers in the Church of Liberalism to bake penis cakes for gay weddings on penalty of hundred thousand dollar lawsuits (yes, this has actually happened)
Are you cherrypicking this hard as the base of your argument? Some people do retarded shit, this isn't a new thing; but how does this become an argument against gay marriage? Many kids do retarded shit and in a much bigger proportion than gays doing retarded shit, why don't we ban having kids?
>adopting kids when it's been shown that kids who grow up in gay households end up much more fucked up and dependent on drugs/welfare than kids who grow up in actual families
No, it hasn't been "proven". Gay marriage is illegal almost everywhere and it was in the US until recently, do we even have a sizable sample size to do a case comparison with straight couples? Besides, there are many other reasons kids end up being fucked up, why don't we screen all couples and disallow those who "might" end up being a fucked up family from marrying. And the vast majority of fucked up families with fucked up kids are straight couples. Let's ban straight marriage then.
Your arguments don't serve as a sound or logical justification for banning gay marriage, and I don't remember ever hearing one.
>>354633
Your angry sputtering does not somehow negate the fact that you are unable to stop memeing. You are very dumb.
Thanks for proving me right.
>>354628
>SJWs believe that they are victims, and they get offended when their perceived victimizers say/do what they perceive to be victimizing things to them.
Conservatives get offended because they feel like their moral values are being attacked. In essence, it's the same thing, no matter how you try to embellish your stance and ridicule the opposite one.
>freedom is precious
This contradicts your stance against gay marriage. I don't see how they marrying attacks your freedom, while you do attack their freedom by literally banning their lifestyle.
>Democrats
>leftists
Come on.
>>354634
>Nobody is talking about religious marriage. When people talk about gay marriage they talk about civil marriage.
I know that, which is why I made reference to state legalization later in the post. Maybe keep reading before commenting?
>This is a circular argument, you're arguing gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because gay marriage isn't allowed.
No, it's not, and no, I'm not. Do you know how laws are passed? Law is not made by some intangible being whose mind we can never hope to change. It changes as a result of popular opinion because people vote in lawmakers, and sometimes vote directly on measures, that reflect their beliefs. People in Colorado believe that weed should be legal, so it is. People in Utah believe that no two people, regardless of gender, should be barred from marriage, so gay marriage has been legal in that state for years.
>Are you cherrypicking this hard as the base of your argument? Some people do retarded shit, this isn't a new thing; but how does this become an argument against gay marriage?
Granted, the gay marriage cake was an anecdote, but the premise of giving gays protected class status is very real and is something that conservatives object to, for the reason that it can be exploited, as with the gay marriage cake.
>No, it hasn't been "proven". Gay marriage is illegal almost everywhere and it was in the US until recently, do we even have a sizable sample size to do a case comparison with straight couples?
I have worked in science and usually we would do an investigative study before investing in a full size study. If you believe that sample sizes are lacking, then you still must acknowledge that the preliminary evidence is not favorable for gay couples raising kids.
>why don't we screen all couples and disallow those who "might" end up being a fucked up family from marrying.
Actually, adoption agencies already do screen potential adopters based on a variety of factors.
>>354637
See: >>354633
>>354641
An imaginary sense of victimhood is not the same as believing that life is precious. Over-simplifying any argument this much just serves to make it completely meaningless.
>cars and trucks both run on gas and carry people from place to place
>therefore, you should be happy with a car no matter what
>>freedom is precious
>This contradicts your stance against gay marriage. I don't see how they marrying attacks your freedom, while you do attack their freedom by literally banning their lifestyle.
There's no contradiction. Even in states that banned gay marriage before the SCOTUS decision, gay couples could still get married at a church, and they could still cohabitate. There was no attack on their freedom at all. The perks of legal marriage, including tax breaks, are something that everybody in the state pays for, and are mainly centered around the premise of producing children, which gay couples don't do by definition. If the majority of the electorate in a state believes that gay marriages do not qualify for these thing taxpayer-funded perks, then it is wrong for the SCOTUS to force it on them.
>>Democrats
>>leftists
>Come on.
Instead of moving the goalposts with a snide "come on," it would be better to define your goalposts and be upfront about it.
who /reddit/ here
>>354661
Do you even know what that means, or are you just repeating it because other people on this website use the word as an insult?
>>354661
I bet you don't even use Reddit. I use Reddit all the f*cking time n00b take a seat
>>354661
muh reddit boogeyman
>>354661
if you don't use reddit in 2015 i don't know why you're here honestly
>>354682
If I didn't have any reason to use it in 2014 why would I need to be using it in 2015?
>>354628
>(yep, that was Democrats who fought FOR the institution of slavery and Republicans who fought to free the slaves)
>be me
>never heard this before
>look it up
>holyfuck.jpg
>mfw it's true
Why wasn't I taught this in school? I was always told that Republicans were all gun-toting white supremacists. Have I been fighting for the wrong side all this time?
>>354716
>be me
>>354723
(you're mom lmao)
>>354727
I'll have you know that I'm very sensitive :'(
>>354723
Neat. You can quote multiple posts and make implications about the identities of the posters. How dare more than one people hold a different opinion than you! Don't they realize that it's almost 2016?
>>354733
>>354733
(Dubs)
>>354716
It used to be the other way around several decades ago.
>>354728
Tough titties
>>354741
Have you ever seen a Republican white supremacist? Just curious because I haven't.
Has anyone here seen Bigfoot the ape man?
give me upvotes
>>354752
Quality post.
>>354754
>I don't make ass
Stopped reading there.
>>354757
>stopping mid-word
You're a real credit to /qa/. I'm glad you are here, making such quality contributions.
>>354766
Upvoted.
>>354766
>66
>>354779
>/s4s/
>>354779
>>/s4s/
>>354849
If they're upset it's clearly just in imitation of you. :)
>>354849
I learned from the maddest lol, which is you.
>>354849
Haha, they should call you Madden, because you are so mad right now.
>>354849
You mad, bro?
>>355788
You aren't. Yeah, well you're not. Unlike you.
>>355777
>>355873
That's not what he's saying in that webm. He's talking about how much he loves Huey Lewis and the News, which is a band from that time period.
>>355883
Doesn't liberal literally mean "free"?
>>355887
No free is like samples you can get at the Cosco or Samclub, if they have yummy stuff it can be a good day for you.
